Fair enough. Do note I was the person who was townreading every single slot at one point in day 1.In post 4087, Sanae Kochiya wrote: I could maybe see 1931 being townie, I don't think the Ichirin vote is townie at all. They literally voteparked there till the end of the day based on someone else's case,
I don't think a few townie posts should be enough to be activelu townreading them at this point, especially if the pool from your POV after I flip is like 2 scum in Kaguya/Kagerou/Reisen/Yuuka/Dai
If you're taking out Aya/Koishi/Clown
Like to me there really isn't anything to townread, they aren't solving, and they're just kinsa like there
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Okay so am I going to become known as the deadline flashwagoner cause I'm tempted to flashwagon Reisen or Kagerou now.-
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@Aya @Koishi @Clown
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wdym?In post 4098, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I was Sanae still-
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Anyway I won't be voting any wagon without Clown also voting it-
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And clown is apparently not voting any wagon without Aya's approval I guess?-
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I'm assuming 4098 is approval from Aya though to kill Sanae?-
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Oh well Sanae I think rationally the only play that won't cause me to spiral into endless paranoia and regret is to flip you today and if you're town then tomorrow everybody is on the same page of you being town and can solve based on that.-
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But I'm not voting until Clown votes.-
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Also I think I wanna go to sleep early tonight so I'll be leaving you all to get ready to sleep.-
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I know it's already confirmed from Sanae's flip and from Daiyousei's vanishing, but FF told me before the game entered signups that it's going to be a crazy and imbalanced game, so yeah... I thought that was public knowledge.In post 4125, Yuuka Kazami wrote: ...Would Yukari/FF even design a game that could allow for 3 deaths in one night phase?-
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Also I'm sad that I didn't flashwagon someone other than Sanae now.-
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Fun fact but I almost accidentally softed Clownpiece's ability without knowing it.
In post 4150, Yukari Yakumo wrote: Additionally, once the elimination is achieved (including No Elimination), you can choose to change the target of the elimination within 24 hours of the thread lock.
I almost said "anybody clownpiece and I want limmed would get limmed, period" but then changed the phrasing.In post 2754, Marisa Kirisame wrote: I and Clownpiece are very towny and charismatic and honestly I do think that if the both of us decided to flashwagon anyone (okay, maybe not you), that wagon would go through 90% of the time if we decide to push it through-
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Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?In post 4181, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: oh yeah no, i disable actives
actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit-
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In post 4078, Marisa Kirisame wrote: If Sanae flips town would you look at Kaguya first? Or Dai? Or somebody else?In post 4081, Clownpiece wrote:Yuuka
VOTE: Yuuka KazamiIn post 4150, Yukari Yakumo wrote: Clownpiece, aligned with Incident Resolvers, was eliminated Night 2.-
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Who is the protective with the inno then?In post 4198, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I'm gonna sleep on the possibility of Yuuka being a PGO-
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If we assume I am town (Clownpiece was willing to assume that), and we assume Daiyousei is not going to reappear later, then we win this game by PoE by finding just one more townie. I have a thought on who I think this townie is but that is going to have to wait a bit while I let that thought stew.
Pedit: I'm assuming you're calling Yuuka a PGO because Clown died? But that implies Clown wasn't the NK target.-
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Well I kinda assumed it would be *that* crazy.In post 4203, Yuuka Kazami wrote: @Marisa, Just because they say it's going to be crazy doesn't mean it's going to be, you know, *that* crazy. It was a passing thought.-
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VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan-
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I am not voting you for the mech spec? IIn post 4206, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Sure, is that scummy though? your vote lacks... well anything, it's relatively substanceless and I assume that was done on purpose, but should I be engaging you if your approach here is saying, "don't engage me, I'm sheeping?"amwas voting you because the presumed NK target sussed you and was killed over 2 semi-clears.-
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The mech spec had no weight. I just felt like pointing it out.-
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I have a very strong gut feeling it's Kaguya. I am not sure how to explain it unfortunately. I might try later.-
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Just to be clear, I moved my vote to Kaguya without any connection to the two posts you made prior to 4207. I saw those posts in pedit.-
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YepIn post 4220, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
Okay, so absent any stimulus you just moved your vote because of your internal process.In post 4217, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Just to be clear, I moved my vote to Kaguya without any connection to the two posts you made prior to 4207. I saw those posts in pedit.-
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I need to go now, will try to explain my process (and probably fail) when I have time.-
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Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.In post 4291, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
until the end of night 2In post 4196, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?In post 4181, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: oh yeah no, i disable actives
actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit
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My passive is being in a hood with Sanae, and since Sanae flipped town it's verified I have one.In post 4673, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I wanna sleep on this and see how much Marisa being scum makes sense cause she's the only person without a verified Passive-
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Also I apologize for needing to be prodded, I had a flight and for some mysterious reason I did not think to ask for V/LA (truth is I'd hoped to be able to play from the airport before and after the flight but it didn't really workz out).-
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I'm sticking around.In post 4677, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Hi Marisa. Plz stick around we need you i you're town.-
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The fact that Kaguya is trying to solve the game by the existence of passives is ???
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Whence this information?In post 4681, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive-
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Cause I wanted to make sure it was the same ability before I announced it.In post 4685, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Why did you not claim this when I specifically asked you and Reisen to claim the passive disabler if that was you
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Did Daiyousei re-appear when I was away or how do we know info about her role?-
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WDYM? Sanae is dead...In post 4691, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Sanae, Me, Daiyousei, ReisenIn post 4686, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Whence this information?In post 4681, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive-
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And Sanae did not claim a "hood passive"-
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Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:In post 4698, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Read her role PM, other than having a billion spellcards she still has theIn post 4694, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
WDYM? Sanae is dead...In post 4691, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Sanae, Me, Daiyousei, ReisenIn post 4686, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Whence this information?In post 4681, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive
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Nah.In post 4707, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Can you full claim?In post 4704, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:-
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Okay I guess my passive isn't confirmed. I still think hunting scum off passives is extremely, extremely dubious.
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Oh no the only player that has tried to vote me out all game has voted me. I'm so scared.In post 4714, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
VOTE: MarisaIn post 4710, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Nah.In post 4707, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Can you full claim?In post 4704, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:
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Additionally, you are scum.-
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If I claim I lose the ability to maybe get a guilty tonight. Is it worth it?In post 4713, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
How about for me?In post 4710, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Nah.In post 4707, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Can you full claim?In post 4704, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:-
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And? How is that scum indicative?In post 4723, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
You're literally the only person claiming to deviate from theIn post 4716, Marisa Kirisame wrote:Okay I guess my passive isn't confirmed. I still think hunting scum off passives is extremely, extremely dubious.
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I agreeIn post 4725, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: How about we let the mech reads stop for a bit and play classic mafia, it seem like we're getting deep in the wine here-
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Yes.In post 4722, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Mech SPECULATION is not gonna solve this game. Gif's a crazy bastard who dances on gunpowder for funsies.
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That is indeed very unfortunate. I still hope that we vote scum out today and I'm doubtful that my full claim gives us insight into my or anyone else's alignment, as this is not a traditionally balanced or designed setup.In post 4728, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
problem being that tommorow is ELoIn post 4721, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
If I claim I lose the ability to maybe get a guilty tonight. Is it worth it?In post 4713, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
How about for me?In post 4710, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
Nah.In post 4707, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Can you full claim?In post 4704, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:-
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Okay here's my case on Kaguya:
1. I disliked their approach to dealing with Sanae and I'm pretty confident now that there was mafia between the first 3 votes on Sanae - in fact that realization that Kaguya might be coasting and voting Sanae is what made me second guess the sanae scumread yesterday.
2. I re-reevaluated my read on them and I think it's actually scum indicative for them to coast this way even though I did think it was towny for them at the end of yesterday
3. I think mechsolving is scummy in this gamestate. They seem to be deadly fixated on mechsolving and I think it comes from scum which doesn't know how to push townies the regular old way.
4. There was more but I forgot
5. The speculation on Yuuka being PGO might be TMI (this has to be verified by claims which I haven't checked but if Kaguya is scum they might know that Clown wasn't the NK and speculated that the kill was caused by PGO because they didn't kill Clown. I really don't see another reason for this speculation)
6. The vote on me day 1 doesn't feel like it's backed by a real thought process but more likely by trying to look a certain way (not really sure what the goal was tbh)
7. At EOD 1 when Sanae said there was scum at tail end of her wagon I disliked Kaguya's reaction (2731)-
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I think Kaguya is playing the way they're usually playing as a caught wolf (if I'm right on who they are).-
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I agree with your exclusion but not with Kaguya'sIn post 4750, Daiyousei wrote: with the understanding that not everyone will agree with my exclusion from this list.-
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Anyway did I mention I was absent from the thread because I had a flight and now I'm jet lagged and it's really late now and I should sleep? Because I really should sleep.-
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My friendo, I don't need a fake claim because I am not claiming.In post 4759, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: It's almost as if she doesn't have a fakeclaim ready yet
However even if I were claiming, I would just trueclaim my role. Since you are only interested in my passive for "solving the game", and I have already claimed my full passive and said so, I have nothing to hide.-
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...In post 4767, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
ReisenIn post 4765, Aya Shameimaru wrote: fyi, who did Kagerou burgle from n2?
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Not a bad case.In post 4772, Daiyousei wrote:In post 4718, Koishi Komeiji wrote: My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.In post 4521, Daiyousei wrote:
While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.In post 4451, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.-
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WDYM?In post 4774, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Oh I just realised that the format for Reisens claim also doesnt make sense since Hood Passives are present in both role PMs and Larva didn't have a hood passive so Reisens hood passive would have to take the slot of a regular passive like Clownpiece did
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I'm Flandre.In post 4791, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Or RemiliaIn post 4790, Yuuka Kazami wrote: So they’re flandre?-
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Like what?In post 4862, Yuuka Kazami wrote: If you’re going to be like that I want you to claim.-
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I crumbed this by calling Sanae "Sanae-Sama", because I assumed she was Remilla, Flandre's older sister. Onee-Sama is older sister.In post 4864, Marisa Kirisame wrote: I'm Flandre.
It's a weak crumb but yeah.-
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That's why I am voting Kaguya and not you, silly!In post 4866, Yuuka Kazami wrote: K, if your goal is to find scum tomorrow through your abilities with a bet on scum today so it’s not air in elo you’re currently heading in the wrong direction.
I-I'm a child, you hentai! Of course my chest is flat!In post 4867, Koishi Komeiji wrote: Is that one of those personality types, like yandere or tsundere?
Please tell me this isn't some flat chest joke.
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You mean the hood STEALS your passive?In post 4869, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: The Spellcard/Spellcard/Active/Passive/Hood Passive format is only followed when the Hood is there from the start and it's also present as a passive on both sides; if the hood gets created later then it looks like it should be following the Clownpiece format where the hood takes up the regular Passive slot. Larva doesn't have a hood passive and Reisen is claiming the hood came about N1 so that would normally be taking Reisen's regular Passive slot, but Reisen's also confirmed to be Ascetic which would be taking up a regular Passive slot-
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I am really confused by what you are saying here-
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