Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)


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Post Post #234 (isolation #0) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:39 pm

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Hello. Reading /half skimming through right now. Here's some big stuff (for me) that I didn't see anyone else get to by page 5
In post 4, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:First!
VOTE: Cerberus
Die, dog of the devil.


Good choice. But I'm like, a robot dog. Not a devil dog. O.o

I don't know what you're talking about but the first Cerberus was a dog that guarded the entrance to Hades.

Also this post pings me as scummy. "Good choice" isn't something I'd ever imagine saying in this situation as town.
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?

This is likely town but also not a great question in my experience.

In post 8, PhantomCobalt wrote:Hi.

VOTE: Yonom

I will not be using any associatives to scum-hunt this game.

I think this is likely town as well. Just a feeling.
In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?

This is typical reaction when someone doesn't vote in RVS. I'm going to say it's also a reaction that more often comes from town.
In post 24, RhazhBash wrote:SS how exactly are you coming to that conclusion?

This makes me think SS OR Razh is scum, but not both.

I don't feel as good about lynching the former.
In post 115, Yonom wrote:I kinda have to agree with SirCakez and PC here, Something_Smart seems to be jumping on conclusions too fast and too randomly.

VOTE: Something_Smart


This is likely scum if SS is scum.

Tries not to stand out but doesn't want to get caught by VCA.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #1) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:47 pm

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In post 117, TheCow wrote:maybe they should role claim Image

In post 129, Titus wrote:Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Likely not SS and Razh together. I've got more on that if you still believe this at page ten.

AI has pinged me as well, but I'm not sure on them yet
In post 130, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 129, Titus wrote:Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Just gonna point out a few things.
1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.
3. Your case on me is based primarily on one thing I did that another person who was scum also did.

Also Titus what is your read on SirCakez?

@3. I've found that scum make one or two big slips that show scum motivation a game. A case can be as small as Titus' and be just as good as a large one, often even better. It's not the number of points you have, it's the validity of said points.
In post 134, SirCakez wrote:AI is OMGUSing both Titus and myself. He has developed scumreads on both of us immediately after he has been scumread which I find very scummy.

Actually that's why I'm leaning town ever so slightly on AI at this point. You're actually more null
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Post Post #236 (isolation #2) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:48 pm

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Meant to say that 117 seemed a bit on the townie side of things.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #3) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:04 pm

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In post 155, AlwaysInnocent wrote:My RVS strategy and post-RVS strategy basically amounts to mudthrowing at as many people as I can.

Good strategy.

I like you at this point in the game.

Do you have a definite scum read?

In post 180, NotAnAlt wrote:
In post 172, Titus wrote:I am going to wait until y'all see this yourselves or I can prove said tell is a tell.

Peace out, love you. I would rather not pull out the sledgehammer.
I think you should prove that it's a tell. From my point of view right now, SS currently fits a certain profile for a type of player I often wind up thinking is scum but that I'm finding more and more is not scum. More specifically, his play this game has involved getting early suspicion and then bouncing around with his vote as if trying to find literally anything that will stick. And even just typing this out I'm getting that
this is the time
paranoid feeling and would feel really dumb if he does turn out to be scum and I conf-bias myself against it and I almost want to delete this whole paragraph but I won't I won't I won't I won't I won't. Square peg. Round hole. Show me the sledgehammer.

I know this feeling.

I still think that you're maybe scum.
In post 203, RhazhBash wrote:VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

Wow. Ew. No. Not a tell at all. Buddying with almost universal scum reads is a bad idea why would it make them scum even if they WERE buddying you and not just calling you scum?
In post 205, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 197, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 196, Something_Smart wrote:I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.
I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".

I'm sorry I don't have your magical ability to discern town from scum on page 3, but for me anyway scumreads that early can only be so serious.

It is not a good idea to make so many enemies before you are sure of their alignment. See my response to razh.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #4) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:11 pm

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In post 189, SirCakez wrote:Townies usually have confidence in their scumreads.

I only sometimes have confidence in my scum reads. And those are very rare. But I'm very often right when it does happen. Then I get distracted and fall away though because no one ever believes me when I'm right. Only when I'm wrong.
In post 210, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Time for a read list.

Read List 1.1


{AlwaysInnocent}

{Something_Smart}

{RhazhBash, Cerberus v666}

{Yonom, pistachi0n, Viva La Gloria, Victor_Mortimer}

{Titus}

{TheCow, Phantom}

{SirCakez, NotAnAlt}

I like your reads.
In post 212, Something_Smart wrote:That's a good idea.

{Something_Smart}

{Titus, Cerberus v666}

{pistachi0n, TheCow}

{Viva La Gloria, Victor_Mortimer, NotAnAlt}

{Yonom, PhantomCobalt}

{RhazhBash, SirCakez}

{AlwaysInnocent}


And Rhazh you realize there is a difference between "a joke" and "a page 3 read that I don't want people to see as a huge commitment but that is my strongest so far". To say that it wasn't serious is a misrepresentation.

I don't like your reads. Please reevaluate.
In post 213, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Something_Smart, please fix your read list. I am in the wrong place.

Yes. A lot of people are in the wrong place.
In post 214, SirCakez wrote:SS why make such a big case on Rhazh if it's "only so serious"?
AI's reads list is awful. Why is NotAnAlt top scum? Why are Cow and PC scum?

Why didn't you ask about you?
In post 229, droog wrote:im caught up
nothing caught my eye

smart wagon is overplayed
no strong scumread on smart
want to see how he responsd when
half the town isnt jumping down his throat

titus leans mild town
pure gut

cakes leans mild scum
hes pretty cocky

otherwise i have nothing realy to say
even im shocked

What about cakez?
VOTE: sircakez
This is a good place for my vote right now.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #5) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:37 pm

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Reads list, please, Cerberus.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #6) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:03 pm

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Cerberus
I read that as you saying you're not sharing reads. Is that a proper interpretation?

Titus
SS isn't scum with R. AI isn't scum with either of them.

So is your case merely against SS? Because I see it and recognize it, but I also think that the other two people you have grouped with him are a bad idea.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:19 pm

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In post 247, Titus wrote:Then we lynch the one we agree on and fight tomorrow.


K. I got some other stuff to clear up first then I can join you.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:18 pm

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@NAA
For some reason I had you and yonom marked as the same person for some reason. Now that my brain has successfully separated you two, you are a town read and yonom needs some rope.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #9) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:23 pm

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In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.


I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're scum with Rhazh and you're distancing.


This post, joke or no, is a defensive overreaction in RVS under very little to no pressure that I have seen newer and older players commit and rarely is it not an indication of scum.

Town typically responds with questions and maybe confusion, but not raw anger or fear
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Post Post #262 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:24 pm

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In post 259, Titus wrote:More than that. I would rather not discuss it until either a) I have a large sample size (which needs time) or such an exercise is a gamble in futility and I have to go with the three.

(I forgot metal gear solid).


Could you rephrase this for me? The grammar just took my head and twisted it into a two-half hitches.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:04 pm

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In post 25, Something_Smart wrote:Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

Interesting. Explain?


This post indicates he likely felt threatened.

Why would he tell a joke there? There is actually no point in it except that it implies that Titus' suspicion is also a joke and not worth anyone's time to actually respond to.

The only good reason for him to feel threatened about throwing names at a wall (well, it wasn't that, but Titus' read on him I imagine at that point in time was far from case worthy- correct me if I'm wrong) is if one or both of the names hit the nail on the head, depending on the experience and the player.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #12) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:53 am

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In post 271, Something_Smart wrote:Droog's entrance was good, Eagle's was fine. People are saying they don't like my reads though, what about them don't you like?

They look like they are just how you feel about a bunch of people because theyve been attacking you or not attacking you.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #13) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:01 am

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In post 276, RhazhBash wrote:SirCakez is clearly Town. Ignoring my "he plays bad as Town joke", he normally tries to hide in the background and give much weaker opinions. I can tell here that he's actually scumhunting and not faking it for Town cred. Also AI your reads list is bad.


This will mean more to me if you flip town or ss flips scum.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #14) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:09 am

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I strongly disagree with that statement.

I VERY strongly disagree with that statement.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #15) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:14 am

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In post 306, droog wrote:actually hold up

In post 302, Cerberus v666 wrote:As someone who doesn't care, doing it would be solely for the benefit of the *many* people who have asked me to get one, and none of you matter enough to me


are you on the *town* faction
with other *townies*
who share your interests
and benefit you when you benefit them
???????


I don't think he's town so I don't know how far you'll get with this but I might be wrong I guess.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #16) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:20 am

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It is game related and it is to the benefit of the town.

I dare you to try to play a game with no avatars and I can promise you it is a lot harder to keep track of everyone.

PEdit: it's because of a lot of things, but even if you are town you're playing an anti-town game.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:26 am

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he needed exploring. I'm ok with going back to ss now, though, I don't see much wrong with cakez or his reaction.

I thought he seemed to be kind of hiding/ sheeping and I voted and pushed to see if he had thoughts of his own but while I disagree with some of the stuff he's said I think he's probably town and he does think for himself.

VOTE: S S
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Post Post #325 (isolation #18) » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:54 am

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In post 319, Something_Smart wrote:Eagle remind me where you changed your mind from not feeling good about lynching me (at least compared to Rhazh)?

Did I say that? I certainly remember thinking it.

I have to say though that my feelings are wrong a lot of the time but my brain is rarely wrong. The feeling of not wanting you lynched, I think, is more out of liking you as a person. Also not feeling as good about lynching you is also possible because your other posts have not been shown a lot of scum motivation, IMO. But, IMO scum only slips once or twice a game. The trick is to latch onto that and hold on no matter how bad they make you feel about it.
In post 320, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Titus is scum.

Discuss.


Give me a game plan from Titus' perspective as scum.

I don't know how experienced everyone else is with Titus but at the risk of shoving my foot in my mouth at the end of the game, I'm going to say Titus is a strong town read to me. I have hydraed with Titus as scum and I guessed she was scum from reading the first four pages of the game. Hah. I guess the more I say the more of my foot I risk eating, but right now I'm going to stick with Titus as town.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #19) » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:54 pm

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I don't know why you're scum reading always innocent. I think it's pretty obvious they're town.

And the cow was a decent vote, IMO. I'm kind of null on then right now. Would like to see some reason from that slot.

@SS I like your reads this way round a bit better. I still think you're scum, unfortunately.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:30 am

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So the "scummy" things ai is doing boils down to...

Differing reads and unexpected/different playstyle?
I'm sorry, but I really don't see any scum motivation behind his stuff. He looks very very town to me.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:43 pm

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Anyone who's scum reading ai, please show me a post of ais that shows scum motivation.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:41 pm

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In post 444, Something_Smart wrote:1 & 3: I get bad vibes from the word "paranoid", mostly because I've never used it as town, but used it successfully multiple times as scum.
2 & 4: Buddying.
5: Already been discussed.
6: Not explaining reads is blatantly antitown.


1&3 I'm confused... You've never been paranoid as town? If this is true, you are certainly an outlier, I am far more paranoid as town as are quite a few other people I've played with

2&4 not making enemies of everyone/enemies you don't need is not a bad idea and working with people is a big part of playing a strong town game. If no one likes you/is willing to work with you, how are you supposed to expect anyone to help you lynch anyone else?

but forget that altogether, 2&4 weren't even buddying. People are completely allowed to agree with other people and disagree with other people and call each other town. There is literally nothing scummy about either of these posts

6. No it isn't. It isn't at all. This is a little more complex and harder to explain so I'll do it when I have more time but your "case" is literally just a bunch of "scum tells" taken a little too literally.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #23) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:54 pm

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you're wrong and I think you know it on all these points. So you can disagree with me and I can go more in depth about how and why you're wrong and we can waste more time on the subject matter or you can stop making up vs arguments and start playing the game. A good way to find scum is to look at their posts. How often they post. What is their motivation behind posting? Scum know what they're doing. And goal number one is to NOT stand out. They want to blend in. A few outliers I have seen have included scum that intentionally ttunneled one person all game long and that was their excuse for not participating in discussion, this is relatively popular because it's easy to tell. There's the scum that have to be on the front lines that try to stand out but they have to do so too aggressively and end up in weird stances making up bs cases. This is some of the strangest scum to catch. There's the scum that literally just lurks all game. But most often scum are in the middle. Dittoing what some people say. Making a comment on this , a comment on that. Trying to look sane and relatable. Trying not to react if possible.

Most often the people on the front lines fighting for reads are town. They make "scummy" mistakes to get reads out of people. They're too paranoid sometimes and overly confident at others.

So you want to find scum motivation? Look at the lurkers. Look at their posts. Hard. Look at the people who you didn't have an immediate read on and are somewhere in the null. Look at the people who everyone says "eh, probably town, they contribute a bit" and then just kind of ignore.

Go to those people's posts. Read them. What are those posts trying to accomplish? Scum often have a purpose in mind. Somewhere they're headed. Does he post make a point you haven't noticed before that sets you in a new direction when reading someone? They're maybe town. But be careful of manipulation here. Does the post seem to just joke around? How often does the person seem to just kind of repeat what someone else said or follow someone else? How often are their comments helpful, or move the thread forward? Those are probably scum. Are they not really engaging people? Maybe scum unless they've stated their purpose in doing so.

THESE are the things you should look for when looking for scum. AI is my strongest town read at the moment.

1. They take strong stances that are scary or will get them maybe killed day 2 as scum, LIKE reading you as strong town.

2. They are not afraid to stand out at all and called multiple people scum in a row in an attempt to put pieces together.

3. They are reaction testing and trying to figure out who is scum, trying to separate the scum from the town.

4. They have NOT yet shared their reasons and I imagine in part because they're trying out the team and watching people for reactions- strong reactions for or against, and weak ones. The weak reactions are often the ones from scum.

5. They're town reading you. I would be too if I didn't think you'd slipped at the beginning of the day, until this most recent post of yours.

Anyways, I wrote much more than I intend to but poor play puts me off and I like to try to correct it when I can. (Yes. I'm aware my play isn't the best either, but... I guess I like explaining things?)

I may not have explained well enough, but if you still think you're right about ai being scum you can restate your reasons (make sure you're certain of them) and I'll show you why you're wrong.)
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Post Post #459 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:40 am

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In post 453, Something_Smart wrote:EE those are some really good points. There's just a few things I'd like to mention.
1. AI is a very smart player and he probably knew most of what you said before the game. To me his posts have not shown a ton of town motivation per se, although I agree with you that the playstyle is not a normal scum one. But I think AI is capable of intentionally playing like this as scum. WIFOM ensues.
2. If finding scum is about reactions and trying to blend in, then why are you scumreading me for a slip that was not a slip when I don't fit your scum criteria?

1. You're right. A lot of finding scum is WIFOM. However a lot of it is understanding optimal and suboptimal play as scum. In a normal game you could maybe make the argument that he is simply playing an incredibly town game for self-pres purposes and I have seen scum do this. It is a sort of gambity play that puts everything on the line of you being town read, but the big problem here is that he only really secures his slot. In playing this way, a way in which he only tries to make himself town read he risks the lives of his buddies on the assumption that he can make it to the final three and will be town read there. The problem with this play, however, is that this is a white flag game in which if his buddies get killed off he loses, and thus this gambit is all risk and literally no reward.

2. You do fit scum criteria, in a way, if you take into account that you are newbscum. There are players that aren't particularly good at playing scum or aren't particularly sure what to do so they just play like they can. I am one of these players. But that is beside the point. Your posts show... Somewhat town motivation in your paranoia and direct OMGUS, but these feelings are the ones easiest to fake as scum, and this is actually what my newb scum looked like in my first games. I would not be scum reading you, however, had not your post earlier showed that your fear didn't seem to be particularly based in not knowing who everyone was. I guess this is a sign, however, that I should change my criteria for newbtown since it seems my newtown and newscum overlap a bit. It can be hard with newbies since their play will rarely be anywhere near optimal.

PEdit: not scum, but I knew you would say I might be when I town read you. I guess I think I've been where you are before? Townread by scum. I was super suspicious then, and I hated that, it felt like everyone was my enemy. Perhaps you enjoy it a bit more. I'm kinda sorry not sorry for ruining it though. It's ... A bad habit. I like explaining things like I said earlier. :/
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Post Post #461 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:44 am

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In post 460, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Well, since you like explaining things, you can be my spokesperson. I just do what I want and you provide the reasons for my actions. If you are town, of course.


If you're being sarcastic I'm sorry.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #26) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:45 am

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Never mind. That's probably not sarcasm.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:26 am

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In post 463, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I thought it was funny. No, but it has a serious undertone: at some point I will have to explain myself, that is true. If other people start explaining why I did things when I don't, then that is a bit of a weird situation.


Understood. Take this one as me explaining my town read on you then.

@ss yes but anyone (should see) can see that's pretty poor logic there accompanying it.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #28) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:34 am

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He's scum, cakez. And he needs someone other than him to push. I'd imagine that's part of why.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #29) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:46 am

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In post 464, Something_Smart wrote:There it is... the word "paranoid" again (in 459). Ugh. It gives me the chills.
Here's why:
In post 685, Something_Smart wrote:So now Tojam is confirmed scum, otherwise makesnosense or Kerkorrel would have hammered.
Kerkorrel, it's good to be paranoid, but the more we talk today, the more info the scum will have for who to kill.
And Drixx, I don't think Kerkorrel should post his reads; all that does is give the scum more possibilities to throw us off with a WIFOM kill. I think we already have enough information to lynch correctly tomorrow.

This from my scumgame, taken from 5-player LYLO, immediately before
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I was proud of my use of "paranoid" to subtly imply that Kerkorrel's suspicion of me was unreasonable. Paranoid means more afraid of something than you should be; to say that I am paranoid about AI implies that I should not be afraid of him, and therefore that I should townread him. This is precisely the type of manipulation that scum will try.
However, I am convinced enough by your argument to put AI at null again.
And since I really don't like SirCakez's response to your case (and I haven't liked him all game),
VOTE: SirCakez


I am more than willing to discuss the very poor logic in this post and the post you quoted post game with you if you'd like, but since you're scum right now I doubt I would get very far with it. The important part for now is that simply using the word paranoid in a sentence somewhere where you were scum has nothing to do with the implications of the word itself nor the alignment of people when they seem paranoid.

However I will add that I am grateful to you for quoting this post because I have noticed you use poor logic previously and I was wondering if you knew what the correct logic is and you were simply a newb or if you were intentionally using bad logic to try to manipulate other people. Sharing this post makes me more certain you are scum, I would say this is your second major slip this game.

@everyone else, I'm good with lynching ss when anyone/everyone else is. Let's get this day over with, he's scumslipped twice now.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #30) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:01 pm

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I'm not saying you used the word incorrectly. I'm saying you used the word in a sentence, but the fact that you used the word in a sentence as scum does not mean that the word is being used by scum in this scenario to manipulate. The similarities in the two scenarios end at the two facts that the word paranoid was used and that you are scum.

You are saying that it's a bad word used by scum to manipulate and using this word to defend a null read against ai after you really have no more fake argument left is poor logic.

On top of all this, you say that someone saying you're paranoid about ai is staying that you should have a town read on him and while you should have a town read on ai, being paranoid is being more distrustful than NECESSARY. Some distrust of everyone is healthy in this game. It's poor logic to exaggerate to get to the point that you did.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #31) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:25 pm

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In post 486, Firebringer wrote:My first act upon entering this game is declare myself the true town leader.
Move aside Titus, firebringer is taking the high chair.


As advisor to the town leader I highly advise that you place your vote on SS and proceed to push in that direction.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #32) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:28 pm

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SS is at L-3, sir
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Post Post #501 (isolation #33) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:58 pm

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In post 492, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Something Smart
I am going to do a quick catch up, consider that placeholder.


@Titus this should confirm the nonexistence of your suspected team here.

In post 494, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 492, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Something Smart
I am going to do a quick catch up, consider that placeholder.
Placeholders are generally not on large wagons for a reason.


What's your read on SS after recent... happenings?
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Post Post #506 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:04 pm

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Sir I assure you that while he looks quite scummy at first, what's inside is not what matches the eye.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #35) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:07 pm

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In post 507, TheCow wrote:ill fight you fire


With fire?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #36) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:07 pm

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My dad always said it was best to fight fire with fire.

Which is great and all, except for the fact that he was a fireman.


That didn't last very long.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:12 pm

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In post 510, Firebringer wrote:
In post 509, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:My dad always said it was best to fight fire with fire.

Which is great and all, except for the fact that he was a fireman.


That didn't last very long.

Heard this joke alot.

In post 511, Firebringer wrote:Still makes me giggle a bit though lol.


I've heard it like once... from like one person.

The point is things have changed. If you get up to the recent page and such you'll realize why your reads should be different. But I totally saw you on that.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:12 am

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In post 527, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 505, SirCakez wrote:Keep reading please.

I don't like this. Obviously he's going to keep reading. It seems over-anxious to avoid being scumread.


His posts "seem" to be very convenient for your purposes to you. They also seem a lot different to you than they do to me.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:21 pm

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I can walk people through my town read of Titus and cakes Tonight for doubters.

@viva I only skimmed to this point and I thought you seemed townie from wwhat I skimmed, but your reads/logic is off. just like Titus' (and maybe mine)

But ill discuss more in a bit when I have more time.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:46 pm

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@viva I don't think my logic is off. Perhaps some of my reads but for now I'm certain SS is scum. My Titus town read revolves around the fact that SS is scum and since I am certain beyond reasonable doubt that SS is scum, I must also quell all doubts that Titus is scum with him.

In addition you can add to this that Titus is confbiasing hard on fb and still thinks hes scum simply because there is a relationship between him and ss even though they are pretty obviously not scum together, IMO.

She has no need to really scum hunt, either. In fact, I would argue that since we caught scum already further hunting is likely to result in distraction and pushing elsewhere and even a town lynch day 1 and confusion on day 2.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:55 pm

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In post 641, TheCow wrote:
In post 639, SirCakez wrote:If SS does flip town somehow then I would obviously reevaluate my reads. My reads right now are based on SS being scum.
why

The only read I would be less certain of should ss flip town is Titus, and that's to a small extent. Oh, and Razh too.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:42 pm

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Viva I can talk lalater but it's hard to talk with someone who comes across as yelling at everyone.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:35 pm

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@pistachio

No. I've already said I'm scumreading ss for two reasons: 1. His vote at the beginning of the game, 2. His intentionally poor logic recently. Like I have said a million times now, outside of these two mistakes, ss would be a town read because of similar reasons to why ai is a town read.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:35 pm

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So, no. Not arbitrary at all. Don't misrepresent me.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #45) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:50 am

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In post 668, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 664, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@pistachio

No. I've already said I'm scumreading ss for two reasons: 1. His vote at the beginning of the game, 2. His intentionally poor logic recently. Like I have said a million times now, outside of these two mistakes, ss would be a town read because of similar reasons to why ai is a town read.

Interesting, please explain where I used intentionally poor logic?

I think the quoted is intentionally poor logic. You think I'm skilled enough scum to play ALL GAME like your description of town, but dumb enough to slip twice? You haven't even explained why the second "slip" is a slip.

In post 672, Something_Smart wrote:There are three scum in this game. You have two scumreads. Do the math.
And the two scumreads you do have are ones you will catch no flak for having. Basically that is a risk-free readlist right there.
EE, you were talking about scum trying to blend in and avoid standing out? That's exactly what this is.


If you were town you would have pointed out that was a town slip and not actually tried to see if you could get him lynched for it. This is one example of your poor logic.

No, I don't think you're smart enough to play all game like my description of town. I think that's easy and doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to do. It just takes reading through your posts before your posts before you post them or just playing the game most of the time with the mindset that you are town. And your version of town is one of the easiest to play.

But don't get it into your head that you play entirely like my description of ai as town. You aren't. You waver in quite a few places. I would have started with a stronger town read but moved to null-town as the day progressed if you hadn't slipped at the beginning of the game and started using scum!logic.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #46) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:21 am

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... I have?
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Post Post #682 (isolation #47) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:36 am

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I have.

Me explaining things:
In post 235, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 117, TheCow wrote:maybe they should role claim Image

In post 129, Titus wrote:Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Likely not SS and Razh together. I've got more on that if you still believe this at page ten.

AI has pinged me as well, but I'm not sure on them yet
In post 130, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 129, Titus wrote:Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Just gonna point out a few things.
1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.
3. Your case on me is based primarily on one thing I did that another person who was scum also did.

Also Titus what is your read on SirCakez?

@3. I've found that scum make one or two big slips that show scum motivation a game. A case can be as small as Titus' and be just as good as a large one, often even better. It's not the number of points you have, it's the validity of said points.
In post 134, SirCakez wrote:AI is OMGUSing both Titus and myself. He has developed scumreads on both of us immediately after he has been scumread which I find very scummy.

Actually that's why I'm leaning town ever so slightly on AI at this point. You're actually more null

In post 261, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.


I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're scum with Rhazh and you're distancing.


This post, joke or no, is a defensive overreaction in RVS under very little to no pressure that I have seen newer and older players commit and rarely is it not an indication of scum.

Town typically responds with questions and maybe confusion, but not raw anger or fear

In post 267, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 25, Something_Smart wrote:Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

Interesting. Explain?


This post indicates he likely felt threatened.

Why would he tell a joke there? There is actually no point in it except that it implies that Titus' suspicion is also a joke and not worth anyone's time to actually respond to.

The only good reason for him to feel threatened about throwing names at a wall (well, it wasn't that, but Titus' read on him I imagine at that point in time was far from case worthy- correct me if I'm wrong) is if one or both of the names hit the nail on the head, depending on the experience and the player.

In post 446, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 444, Something_Smart wrote:1 & 3: I get bad vibes from the word "paranoid", mostly because I've never used it as town, but used it successfully multiple times as scum.
2 & 4: Buddying.
5: Already been discussed.
6: Not explaining reads is blatantly antitown.


1&3 I'm confused... You've never been paranoid as town? If this is true, you are certainly an outlier, I am far more paranoid as town as are quite a few other people I've played with

2&4 not making enemies of everyone/enemies you don't need is not a bad idea and working with people is a big part of playing a strong town game. If no one likes you/is willing to work with you, how are you supposed to expect anyone to help you lynch anyone else?

but forget that altogether, 2&4 weren't even buddying. People are completely allowed to agree with other people and disagree with other people and call each other town. There is literally nothing scummy about either of these posts

6. No it isn't. It isn't at all. This is a little more complex and harder to explain so I'll do it when I have more time but your "case" is literally just a bunch of "scum tells" taken a little too literally.

In post 451, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:you're wrong and I think you know it on all these points. So you can disagree with me and I can go more in depth about how and why you're wrong and we can waste more time on the subject matter or you can stop making up vs arguments and start playing the game. A good way to find scum is to look at their posts. How often they post. What is their motivation behind posting? Scum know what they're doing. And goal number one is to NOT stand out. They want to blend in. A few outliers I have seen have included scum that intentionally ttunneled one person all game long and that was their excuse for not participating in discussion, this is relatively popular because it's easy to tell. There's the scum that have to be on the front lines that try to stand out but they have to do so too aggressively and end up in weird stances making up bs cases. This is some of the strangest scum to catch. There's the scum that literally just lurks all game. But most often scum are in the middle. Dittoing what some people say. Making a comment on this , a comment on that. Trying to look sane and relatable. Trying not to react if possible.

Most often the people on the front lines fighting for reads are town. They make "scummy" mistakes to get reads out of people. They're too paranoid sometimes and overly confident at others.

So you want to find scum motivation? Look at the lurkers. Look at their posts. Hard. Look at the people who you didn't have an immediate read on and are somewhere in the null. Look at the people who everyone says "eh, probably town, they contribute a bit" and then just kind of ignore.

Go to those people's posts. Read them. What are those posts trying to accomplish? Scum often have a purpose in mind. Somewhere they're headed. Does he post make a point you haven't noticed before that sets you in a new direction when reading someone? They're maybe town. But be careful of manipulation here. Does the post seem to just joke around? How often does the person seem to just kind of repeat what someone else said or follow someone else? How often are their comments helpful, or move the thread forward? Those are probably scum. Are they not really engaging people? Maybe scum unless they've stated their purpose in doing so.

THESE are the things you should look for when looking for scum. AI is my strongest town read at the moment.

1. They take strong stances that are scary or will get them maybe killed day 2 as scum, LIKE reading you as strong town.

2. They are not afraid to stand out at all and called multiple people scum in a row in an attempt to put pieces together.

3. They are reaction testing and trying to figure out who is scum, trying to separate the scum from the town.

4. They have NOT yet shared their reasons and I imagine in part because they're trying out the team and watching people for reactions- strong reactions for or against, and weak ones. The weak reactions are often the ones from scum.

5. They're town reading you. I would be too if I didn't think you'd slipped at the beginning of the day, until this most recent post of yours.

Anyways, I wrote much more than I intend to but poor play puts me off and I like to try to correct it when I can. (Yes. I'm aware my play isn't the best either, but... I guess I like explaining things?)

I may not have explained well enough, but if you still think you're right about ai being scum you can restate your reasons (make sure you're certain of them) and I'll show you why you're wrong.)

In post 459, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 453, Something_Smart wrote:EE those are some really good points. There's just a few things I'd like to mention.
1. AI is a very smart player and he probably knew most of what you said before the game. To me his posts have not shown a ton of town motivation per se, although I agree with you that the playstyle is not a normal scum one. But I think AI is capable of intentionally playing like this as scum. WIFOM ensues.
2. If finding scum is about reactions and trying to blend in, then why are you scumreading me for a slip that was not a slip when I don't fit your scum criteria?

1. You're right. A lot of finding scum is WIFOM. However a lot of it is understanding optimal and suboptimal play as scum. In a normal game you could maybe make the argument that he is simply playing an incredibly town game for self-pres purposes and I have seen scum do this. It is a sort of gambity play that puts everything on the line of you being town read, but the big problem here is that he only really secures his slot. In playing this way, a way in which he only tries to make himself town read he risks the lives of his buddies on the assumption that he can make it to the final three and will be town read there. The problem with this play, however, is that this is a white flag game in which if his buddies get killed off he loses, and thus this gambit is all risk and literally no reward.

2. You do fit scum criteria, in a way, if you take into account that you are newbscum. There are players that aren't particularly good at playing scum or aren't particularly sure what to do so they just play like they can. I am one of these players. But that is beside the point. Your posts show... Somewhat town motivation in your paranoia and direct OMGUS, but these feelings are the ones easiest to fake as scum, and this is actually what my newb scum looked like in my first games. I would not be scum reading you, however, had not your post earlier showed that your fear didn't seem to be particularly based in not knowing who everyone was. I guess this is a sign, however, that I should change my criteria for newbtown since it seems my newtown and newscum overlap a bit. It can be hard with newbies since their play will rarely be anywhere near optimal.

PEdit: not scum, but I knew you would say I might be when I town read you. I guess I think I've been where you are before? Townread by scum. I was super suspicious then, and I hated that, it felt like everyone was my enemy. Perhaps you enjoy it a bit more. I'm kinda sorry not sorry for ruining it though. It's ... A bad habit. I like explaining things like I said earlier. :/

In post 470, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 464, Something_Smart wrote:There it is... the word "paranoid" again (in 459). Ugh. It gives me the chills.
Here's why:
In post 685, Something_Smart wrote:So now Tojam is confirmed scum, otherwise makesnosense or Kerkorrel would have hammered.
Kerkorrel, it's good to be paranoid, but the more we talk today, the more info the scum will have for who to kill.
And Drixx, I don't think Kerkorrel should post his reads; all that does is give the scum more possibilities to throw us off with a WIFOM kill. I think we already have enough information to lynch correctly tomorrow.

This from my scumgame, taken from 5-player LYLO, immediately before
Kerkorrel
hammered
tojam2
, after considering a potential scumteam of
Something_Smart
and
Drixx
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I was proud of my use of "paranoid" to subtly imply that Kerkorrel's suspicion of me was unreasonable. Paranoid means more afraid of something than you should be; to say that I am paranoid about AI implies that I should not be afraid of him, and therefore that I should townread him. This is precisely the type of manipulation that scum will try.
However, I am convinced enough by your argument to put AI at null again.
And since I really don't like SirCakez's response to your case (and I haven't liked him all game),
VOTE: SirCakez


I am more than willing to discuss the very poor logic in this post and the post you quoted post game with you if you'd like, but since you're scum right now I doubt I would get very far with it. The important part for now is that simply using the word paranoid in a sentence somewhere where you were scum has nothing to do with the implications of the word itself nor the alignment of people when they seem paranoid.

However I will add that I am grateful to you for quoting this post because I have noticed you use poor logic previously and I was wondering if you knew what the correct logic is and you were simply a newb or if you were intentionally using bad logic to try to manipulate other people. Sharing this post makes me more certain you are scum, I would say this is your second major slip this game.

@everyone else, I'm good with lynching ss when anyone/everyone else is. Let's get this day over with, he's scumslipped twice now.

In post 484, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm not saying you used the word incorrectly. I'm saying you used the word in a sentence, but the fact that you used the word in a sentence as scum does not mean that the word is being used by scum in this scenario to manipulate. The similarities in the two scenarios end at the two facts that the word paranoid was used and that you are scum.

You are saying that it's a bad word used by scum to manipulate and using this word to defend a null read against ai after you really have no more fake argument left is poor logic.

On top of all this, you say that someone saying you're paranoid about ai is staying that you should have a town read on him and while you should have a town read on ai, being paranoid is being more distrustful than NECESSARY. Some distrust of everyone is healthy in this game. It's poor logic to exaggerate to get to the point that you did.

In post 674, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 668, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 664, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@pistachio

No. I've already said I'm scumreading ss for two reasons: 1. His vote at the beginning of the game, 2. His intentionally poor logic recently. Like I have said a million times now, outside of these two mistakes, ss would be a town read because of similar reasons to why ai is a town read.

Interesting, please explain where I used intentionally poor logic?

I think the quoted is intentionally poor logic. You think I'm skilled enough scum to play ALL GAME like your description of town, but dumb enough to slip twice? You haven't even explained why the second "slip" is a slip.

In post 672, Something_Smart wrote:There are three scum in this game. You have two scumreads. Do the math.
And the two scumreads you do have are ones you will catch no flak for having. Basically that is a risk-free readlist right there.
EE, you were talking about scum trying to blend in and avoid standing out? That's exactly what this is.


If you were town you would have pointed out that was a town slip and not actually tried to see if you could get him lynched for it. This is one example of your poor logic.

No, I don't think you're smart enough to play all game like my description of town. I think that's easy and doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to do. It just takes reading through your posts before your posts before you post them or just playing the game most of the time with the mindset that you are town. And your version of town is one of the easiest to play.

But don't get it into your head that you play entirely like my description of ai as town. You aren't. You waver in quite a few places. I would have started with a stronger town read but moved to null-town as the day progressed if you hadn't slipped at the beginning of the game and started using scum!logic.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #48) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:31 am

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In post 683, TheCow wrote:tldr


Tldr ss is lying and needs a lynch
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Post Post #690 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:30 am

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In post 686, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 664, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@pistachio

No. I've already said I'm scumreading ss for two reasons: 1. His vote at the beginning of the game, 2. His intentionally poor logic recently. Like I have said a million times now, outside of these two mistakes, ss would be a town read because of similar reasons to why ai is a town read.


In post 665, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So, no. Not arbitrary at all. Don't misrepresent me.


Okay, it's not arbitrary. I still disagree with you. SS has used bad logic, I don't think it was intentional.

The reason I say it's likely intentional is because he has admitted in this game to using poor logic intentionally as scum in previous games. Also look at the way he looks for other people to lynch. He isn't looking for who is scum and who isn't, he's looking for other people to lynch.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #50) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:24 pm

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In post 700, Drixx wrote:
Vote Count 1.5AlwaysInnocent {0} -
Yonom
,
TheCow
,
Something_Smart
,
Firebringer

Cerberus v666 {0} -
Something_Smart
,
Viva La Gloria {0} -
AlwaysInnocent
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PhantomCobalt {0} -
AlwaysInnocent
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pistachi0n {0} -
Firebringer {0} -
Something_Smart
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SirCakez {4} -
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Something_Smart
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Something_Smart {5} - SirCakez, Titus,
TheCow
, PhantomCobalt, Yonom, Extrapolated Eagle,
Firebringer

TheCow {0} -
Always Innocent

Titus {1} - AlwaysInnocent
Extrapolated Eagle {1} - Something_Smart
Droog {0} -
Yonom {0} -
PhantomCobalt
,


Not Voting (4): Cerberus v666, TheCow

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or No Lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2016-01-27 22:00:00) from now, or January 27th, 10:00 PM Eastern (GMT-5).


Prodding: Pistachi0n
Replacing: N/A

In post 703, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 702, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, there's two ways to place your vote. You can vote your top scumread, or you can vote the one out of your scumreads who you think is most likely to be lynched. I'm still figuring out when is the appropriate time for each, and the only way I can gauge that is by others' reactions.
Out of curiosity, which do you think is stronger?


Which one? Scumread?

I'm going to vote you if you aren't at L-1. If you are, I don't want to hammer yet. That's why I'm waiting for the vote count to be posted.


He's at L-2

Vote count was two posts ago.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #51) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:25 pm

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Oh I'm an idiot i forgot he edits his posts with a vote count. :/

Apologies. It was sitting in a window waiting for me to hit submit for a couple hours. I got distracted by something. If you see a pending VC for more than a few minutes, feel free to drop me a PM. ~Drixx
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Post Post #746 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:51 am

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*rolls eyes*

You know, all three of you might be taken more seriously read-wise if you knew what "buddying" actually was and when it indicates scum instead of just attacking anything that doesn't look mad at you.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #53) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:56 am

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In post 746, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:*rolls eyes*

You know, all three of you might be taken more seriously read-wise if you knew what "buddying" actually was and when it indicates scum instead of just attacking anything that doesn't look mad at you.


Actually, its because of this point that I refuse to discuss Titus as scum or really take your reads as anything more than newb town (or newb scum, in ss' case, I don't know of you do this when you're town, but if you do you should work on it.) She's a slight town read for me and likely will remain so unless someone brings up something here other than "bad reads." I do think the two of you that are town should seriously take a second look at your reads and the game without the "tells" that people talk so much about. Read people for scum motivation, malintention, and get back to me and we'll talk then.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #54) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:02 am

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Titus is town for me: here's why:

As scum she wants town to tear itself apart. She wants chaos and she'll kind of press chaos or try to make it happen: fighting amongst town, etc. I know. I have hydraed with her as scum. However. This game she gave us an obvious direction. She pushed it. And kind of left. What does she accomplish from this if she's scum and ss is town? A single mislynch? When town already usually mislynches day one without her help? And then what? We've sat around talking, we have our strong town reads. She lets a town bloc form and tomorrow a lot of people are talking of lynching her if she's wrong. She's drawn a lot of unnecessary attention to herself and she starts in a bad spot tomorrow if she's scum. A nasty one, actually. It's high risk no reward. Not optimal play, in fact quite suboptimal play as scum
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Post Post #752 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:04 am

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In post 750, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 746, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:*rolls eyes*

You know, all three of you might be taken more seriously read-wise if you knew what "buddying" actually was and when it indicates scum instead of just attacking anything that doesn't look mad at you.

Did I say misrepresentation? EE is trying to discredit me by saying I'm falsely accusing others of buddying, when in fact I do not believe AI or Viva is buddying me.
This is obvious scum.

Not talking about you right here, necessarily, moron.
In post 205, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 197, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 196, Something_Smart wrote:I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.
I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".
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Post Post #753 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:06 am

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... I don't know how that part of a quote got at the top of my post but
@mod could you please get that out?


Fixed, I think. Please watch the attacks. Attack play all you like, but not the person behind it. Love, Drixx.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #57) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 762, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 759, TheCow wrote:SS's flailing looks like it's from town. I'm not voting that.
How is he flailing?

He's flailing.

Watch his reads. They're only feelings based on who's attacking him and who isn't. Your reads are kind of like this as well. I suggest you stop.

As to your point about Titus, being wrong about someone does not make anyone scum, and I doubt she's wrong on SS anyways. Titus has been wrong before as town.

In post 767, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 758, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 757, Something_Smart wrote:AI, not everyone is capable of seeing that I am obvious town. But regardless of that, your feelings about Eagle are in the right place.
Not everyone, but some people are just pretending not to see it.

Titus can't see it because she's blinded by her own confidence in her "tell" (most likely).
Eagle is pretending not to see it. That's why he can't make a logical case on me.


Why did you respond to Titus the way you did on page one?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #58) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:44 am

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In post 770, SirCakez wrote:Wouldn't scum have desperation as well?


Yes. Which is part of why I'm still voting ss.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #59) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:55 am

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In post 772, Something_Smart wrote:
Because it's absurd to take an accusation of distancing on page one seriously.


Alright, I rest my case.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:03 am

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For people curious about why that case can be rested now, this is what Titus posted:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.


I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

This is what SS just said about it:
In post 772, Something_Smart wrote:
Because it's absurd to take an accusation of distancing on page one seriously.


Titus didn't accuse him of distancing. She just said she thought they were scum together. SS read distancing because perhaps that's what he was doing. Scum have a heightened awareness of their scum buddies and any tells that can be used against them. So when SS responded it was out of fear that he'd been caught for this: this is why he's reading Titus as town as well: he sees why he was caught and why he's scum. He doesn't understand my argument so he's angry at me because he thinks I caught him for the wrong reasons. I know this feeling, I've been there before.

PEdit: AI you're reading with your emotions. Stop. Think this through. You're being hasty and rash.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #61) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:06 am

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In post 776, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 775, SirCakez wrote:I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation


Your argument here is fallacious, if we immediately dropped all correlations simply because it does not imply causation we would have a hard time getting anywhere. This argument is also anti-town because it discourages curiosity and investigating and reinvestigating reads.

Regardless you're likely still town, despite your increasing inability to contribute helpfully.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #62) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:12 am

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In post 779, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 775, SirCakez wrote:I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

Alright, answer it now as you understand it, please.
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In post 761, TheCow wrote:Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.


I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.


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Post Post #784 (isolation #63) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:13 am

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In post 782, Titus wrote:
In post 749, SirCakez wrote:
In post 747, Something_Smart wrote:You think voting her will make her engage? She'll just keep repeating what she's said and calling her wagon scum-led. Besides, if you notice, she does have an understandable (understandably wrong, but still) reason to vote me. EE on the other hand has a bunch of lies and misrepresentations.
Vote EE with me and make HIM engage.

This is so bad. So you're saying voting Titus is pointless because she won't explain anything, so we should vote Eagle, who actually explained his reads and case, instead?


Have a hug. You are town.

To explain, a hug is a sign of non romantic affection between two players that like each other. Similarly, hug it out by Nacho is a wildly effective scumhunting tool.


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Post Post #791 (isolation #64) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:30 am

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Oh. I'm an idiot.

@Drixx why did viva la Gloria replace into a game where she has already seen the role PM of another player?


Ummm. So somebody messed up. Either droog and viva la Gloria are scum together or droog is town and viva is scum or both are town.
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Post Post #792 (isolation #65) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:31 am

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In post 0, Drixx wrote:
A Moment in Time

Open 623 by Drixx
Setup: White Flag

Image


Welcome to A Moment in Time, an open mini utilizing the White Flag open setup linked above. As a bit of added fun on top of the game, vote counts and deaths will be accompanied by moments in time. You'll see what I mean.

Playerlist:


1.)
AlwaysInnocent

2.)
pistachi0n
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3.)
Droog
Viva La Gloria

4.)
Cerberus v666

5.)
Titus

6.)
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7.)
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8.)
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9.)
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Victor_Mortimer

10.)
Viva La Gloria
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11.)
TheCow

12.)
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13.)
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RhazhBash
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* = prod
Italics = Confirmed
Replacements will be noted with
Strikethrough



Spoiler: Still Making History (13/13)
1.) AlwaysInnocent
2.) pistachi0n
3.) Droog
4.) Cerberus v666
5.) Titus
6.) PhantomCobalt
7.) SirCakez
8.) Something_Smart
9.) Extrapolated Eagle
10.) Viva La Gloria
11.) TheCow
12.) Yonom
13.) Firebreather


Spoiler: Frozen in time (dead) (0/13)


Spoiler: Forgotten Forever (Mod-killed) (0/13)
Let's have a good game and not go here.



Vote Counts:

1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7

Game Events:

Droog Replaces Viva La Gloria
Extrapolated Eagle replaces Victor_Mortimer
Firebringer replaces RhazhBash
Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt

Setup and Sample Role PMs:


This game is utilizing the Open Setup White Flag. This setup derives its name from the special
White Flag
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The setup is as follows:

Roles:

3 Mafia Goons
10 Vanilla Townies


Mechanics:
White Flag


Sample Role PMs:


Vanilla TownieWelcome, [Player Name], you are a
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Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

You win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by replying to me with your Role, Alignment and confirmation that you understand the setup. Please also confirm that you have read and understand the rules, and will abide by them.



Mafia GoonWelcome, [Player Name], you are a
Mafia Goon,
along with [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

- Factional Communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners in the following PT: [PT Link]
- Factional Kill: Each night phase your faction may choose a player to kill. You may submit this kill either directly to me or via your factional PT. In the case of multiple kill submissions, I will use whichever was sent in last prior to the night timer expiring.

Win condition:

You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by replying to me with your Role, Alignment and confirmation that you understand the setup. Please also confirm that you have read and understand the rules, and will abide by them.


Look at #3 and #10
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Post Post #794 (isolation #66) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:33 am

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In post 793, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 791, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Oh. I'm an idiot.

@Drixx why did viva la Gloria replace into a game where she has already seen the role PM of another player?


Ummm. So somebody messed up. Either droog and viva la Gloria are scum together or droog is town and viva is scum or both are town.
Drixx has already explained this. He said that he could
confirm
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But Gloria still has role pm in her inbox and can look at it any time. I guess that could be responded to by a ban.

Idk, this feels super sketchy
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Post Post #797 (isolation #67) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:35 am

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In post 543, Drixx wrote:
Prodding Pistachi0n.

Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt.

As a note, when replacing someone who doesn't pick up their role PM, I edit the message in the outbox so that said person no longer actually has a role PM. In this case, we have a player who originally signed up and then got busy replacing back in. I have confirmed that they did not see their original role PM and therefore they only have knowledge of the slot they are replacing into. If you have any questions, please drop me a PM. ~Drixx


Oh, I just saw this. Ok. Still, I have a nasty feeling about this.

Does deleting it from your outbox delete it from their inbox? I need to try this.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:10 pm

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No to the first wagon. Maybe to the second. I still like this better:

VOTE: firebringer
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Post Post #881 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:28 pm

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Viva. Calm down. You're thread spamming and dominating the thread. It's anti town. Back off, Titus is a horrible lynch.

Thecow and fb are good lynches today
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Post Post #894 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:48 pm

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Viva your scum list is literally anyone who disagrees with you. Is this intentional? Because right now it just looks like you want to lynch anyone who makes you mad instead of just playing the game and tbh it's pissing me off. If you can't learn to at least examine your reads and think about stuff once in a while you shouldn't play, IMO.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:54 pm

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Titus is one of my strongest town reads. Cakez is up there with her. AI is my number one. Viva is up there as well.

Pistachion is in the middle ish but town for him right now I think.

I'm going to give yonom a town pass for today just because viva thinks he's scum which means that either he over extended as scum or he's town.

So fb (sorry buddy, this is based on razh) the cow pc and cerb are my lynch pool today. I'm actually leaning away from a cow lynch as well based on all the attention on him.
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Post Post #902 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:57 pm

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Congrats, you were right about something once. I'm sorry I was wrong. I apologize, I will never be wrong again. That was my bad. You're right, though. Those are incredibly examined reads. Everyone who is wrong is always scum and especially if they agree with each other or defend each other. You are literally the best mafia player I have ever met

Now, if I've satisfied you, would you mind playing a pro town game from here, taking a second look at your reads and not spamming the thread with this craps?

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Post Post #906 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:17 pm

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You were right on ONE PERSON. Let's get that straight, dear. And don't get me started on garbage play or trash reads, I don't see where my play is "garbage" but I don't spam the thread nor yell in it nor literally repeat the same thing over and over to get attention for my lynches. I never threw temper tantrum in the thread which is what just about all your posts seem to convey and I periodically go back as reexamined my reads.
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And I won't mention the size of the apology you owe the thread regardless of whether or not you're right, this kind of play is unacceptable in my opinion and doesn't help town at all.

PEdit I gave you why Titus is town yesterday.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:19 pm

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@viva
In post 751, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus is town for me: here's why:

As scum she wants town to tear itself apart. She wants chaos and she'll kind of press chaos or try to make it happen: fighting amongst town, etc. I know. I have hydraed with her as scum. However. This game she gave us an obvious direction. She pushed it. And kind of left. What does she accomplish from this if she's scum and ss is town? A single mislynch? When town already usually mislynches day one without her help? And then what? We've sat around talking, we have our strong town reads. She lets a town bloc form and tomorrow a lot of people are talking of lynching her if she's wrong. She's drawn a lot of unnecessary attention to herself and she starts in a bad spot tomorrow if she's scum. A nasty one, actually. It's high risk no reward. Not optimal play, in fact quite suboptimal play as scum
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Post Post #911 (isolation #76) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:20 pm

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You've spent so much time screaming at everyone you missed the actual game.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #77) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:26 pm

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In post 912, Viva La Gloria wrote:Wait a second.
You were voting SS but you made an entire post assuming that he would flip town to defend Titus preemptively?
What the hell is that?

VOTE: EE


No? People asked why Titus was scum and I explained why. Drop the confbias, please.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #78) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:27 pm

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@Titus no firebringer right now?
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Post Post #924 (isolation #79) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:44 pm

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In post 918, Viva La Gloria wrote:Oh, and the only ones confbiasing are the ones who are still townreading Titus.
I reevaluated my read for hours overnight deciding where scum stood with respect to the SS wagon, and the best answer I could get was Titus scum.
You are assuming Titus is town based on a wifom argument and absolutely refusing to consider my points.


You mean the massively convincing point that she was wrong? She even seemed a little bit unsure at a few points.

So no, you don't have any points for me to consider. If this is the fruits of your labors then I must conclude that you did not labor very hard.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #80) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:03 pm

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In post 926, Viva La Gloria wrote:so you're hard defending scum and you think I should townread you for it?
That's absolute sewage.


I don't know where you read the latter part of that, I can assure you it's not something I said, but I'll say it now since those are words I'll let you put in my mouth.

I think you should be town reading me. I also think you should be town reading Titus. I think you should stop defending your attempt at an argument against her scum game, go back, read the game for real and come up with a set of real reads. I think you should stop dodging and address the things being brought up against you. I think you should stop deflecting and take responsibility for the sad play with your name next to it in this thread. I think you should do a complete one eighty and start posting thoughtful, less emotionally biased reads.

Thanks. :)

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Post Post #959 (isolation #81) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm

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In post 958, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 939, SirCakez wrote:We wagon Viva when Titus flips town, yeah?


I would go with EE if Titus flips town. But I don't think Titus is going to flip town.


I'm beginning to see why Titus lurked through day one. I don't think I've ever had more towny play than this game.

You guys are actually ridiculous.

I might just go to prodging if this is the case.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #82) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:33 pm

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In post 1001, Viva La Gloria wrote:I play Mafia a ton on other forums.

I'm new to these parts, however.

Why are you so confident in your reads?
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #83) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:47 pm

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In post 1003, Viva La Gloria wrote:What's that supposed to mean?
I gave Titus 5 different opportunities to clarify her SS read and open a dialogue with her. All were refused.
I pointed out what could definitely be seem as scum pushing of the wagon to set her up as a mislynch. I was ignored.
I'm fairly sure if she were town that she wouldn't have played like this, and if she is town playing like this, well, no great loss right?
If you want to make a logical argument in favour of Titus being town, I'll hear it. But I doubt one is forthcoming.


Stop dodging me, bud.

1. I made a logical argument as to why Titus is town. Instead of responding to it, you ignored it at first. Today I brought it up again and instead of responding to it, you accused me of making an argument for her being town in case ss flipped scum.

2. You have been ignored and refused because your arguments belong in a waste pile and you've begged for attention while scum hunting one of the towniest players in the game. You act like you deserve a special clarification just for you, but Titus' ss scum read has already been stated, repeating it is redundant.

3. I asked you why you are so confident in your reads. I hope you give an answer but I'm not sure I expect one with all the dodging you've done this game. The post you made here in no way answers my question and this is not the first post of mine you've deflected.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #84) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:51 pm

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Here's a list of posts of mine that I need you to respond to, viva, instead of deflecting, please.

In post 910, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@viva
In post 751, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus is town for me: here's why:

As scum she wants town to tear itself apart. She wants chaos and she'll kind of press chaos or try to make it happen: fighting amongst town, etc. I know. I have hydraed with her as scum. However. This game she gave us an obvious direction. She pushed it. And kind of left. What does she accomplish from this if she's scum and ss is town? A single mislynch? When town already usually mislynches day one without her help? And then what? We've sat around talking, we have our strong town reads. She lets a town bloc form and tomorrow a lot of people are talking of lynching her if she's wrong. She's drawn a lot of unnecessary attention to herself and she starts in a bad spot tomorrow if she's scum. A nasty one, actually. It's high risk no reward. Not optimal play, in fact quite suboptimal play as scum

In post 924, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 918, Viva La Gloria wrote:Oh, and the only ones confbiasing are the ones who are still townreading Titus.
I reevaluated my read for hours overnight deciding where scum stood with respect to the SS wagon, and the best answer I could get was Titus scum.
You are assuming Titus is town based on a wifom argument and absolutely refusing to consider my points.


You mean the massively convincing point that she was wrong? She even seemed a little bit unsure at a few points.

So no, you don't have any points for me to consider. If this is the fruits of your labors then I must conclude that you did not labor very hard.

In post 1002, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1001, Viva La Gloria wrote:I play Mafia a ton on other forums.

I'm new to these parts, however.

Why are you so confident in your reads?
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #85) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:14 pm

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In post 1006, Viva La Gloria wrote:She was wrong and refused to engage with anyone or notice the obvious problems with the wagon, and is now suddenly trying to jump on Pistachion and Cow for following her wagon.
It's not about being wrong, it's about the manner of her wrongness.

As scum she wants town to tear itself apart. She wants chaos and she'll kind of press chaos or try to make it happen: fighting amongst town, etc. I know. I have hydraed with her as scum. However. This game she gave us an obvious direction. She pushed it. And kind of left. What does she accomplish from this if she's scum and ss is town? A single mislynch? When town already usually mislynches day one without her help? And then what? We've sat around talking, we have our strong town reads. She lets a town bloc form and tomorrow a lot of people are talking of lynching her if she's wrong. She's drawn a lot of unnecessary attention to herself and she starts in a bad spot tomorrow if she's scum. A nasty one, actually. It's high risk no reward. Not optimal play, in fact quite suboptimal play as scum


I can tell stories about anyone's scum play that will make them sound like gods and make it seem like any game is too mundane to POSSIBLY be her scum play.
Yes, her play was shit this game. I understand that you think that she's a divine create and can do no wrong but she played a horrible scum game and is going to get lynched for it.
Instead of arguing that she's too good as scum (the BEST scum player, hands down, on the site I am from got mislynched page 6 because he blatantly flipped on a read) for a bad game to possibly be her scum game:
explain why you think that she's town here. because your shitty arguments don't cut it.

You didn't read or understand the post. That's fine. You're just seeing what you want to see and that's fine as well. But it's unacceptable as town.

I'm sorry I tried to figure out why your reads are so bad but you've locked them in and your emotions are keeping you from reading anything other than what you want to read. There's no point in trying to take this further. I'm ok with your lynch now, Titus is right theres really no way were getting anywhere with this noise anyways.

I do have to say I'm a bit torn between voting you to get rid of anti town and maybe move the game forward and not voting you because I think you're actually town. I'm going to hold off for now on the condition that you at least cut the posting down... A lot.

By the way anyone can tell stories or speculate either way about anyone's alignment. At least the fact that you realize this means you're on the path to understanding that you have to work with optimals or not at all. I don't worship Titus as a goddess or anything of the like, I'm certain she's as human as me. My point was that she, like any other scum player, would optimally not put themselves out in the open to mislynch town d1 since that occurrence is so common that the reward is close to nill and the risk is far too great. Yes, someone could make the argument that that's what she wanted you to think, but if that's true how come I'm the only one who thought of it?

PEdit: people like me? You will eat your words when the game is over. Your childish posts have made me sick to my stomach on multiple occasions. You know what?

VOTE: Viva

I hope that there's a spoiler in the dead thread for you. Normally I wouldn't request thus since its just a game, but since you seem to expect it of me, I'm going to have to say that even if you were right you owe everyone an apology for the simply unacceptable posts you made this game.

I have a strong town read on you. I'm also voting you. You are so anti town that I think that if we left you alive you would push us harder to a lose than scum.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #86) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:17 pm

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I'm having trouble believing anyone really believes Vivas Titus argument and for that reason anyone on the Titus wagon is under extra suspicion atm for me.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #87) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:14 am

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In post 1020, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Also, the Viva lynch is not going to happen. Sorry.

I'm ok with this as long as he calms down a bit.
In post 1022, Titus wrote:I am L minus 1.

This is the part where someone dumb asks me for my claim.

I snarfed at this. I hope just because of this someone does ask you for your claim.
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #88) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:02 am

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In post 1026, TheCow wrote:ee hammer please

Why on earth would I have done that?
In post 1031, Titus wrote:
In post 1028, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1027, Titus wrote:
In post 1025, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Yes. Titus. Please claim your role.


You can be filed as Derp town.

I claim Cassandra. :-p (joke)
I claim bulletproof cop.


You should totally realize you misread your results and you have an innocent on me.

Lynch Viva, a Cow, pistachion.

Don't lynch EE or AI or Yonom or Sircakez.


What about PC?

Not sure on your yonom nor your viva read.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #89) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 1036, SirCakez wrote:So Viva let me get this straight
-You've never played a game with Cow except this one
-You've never played a game with scum Cow
-You've never seen a game with scum Cow

I'm pretty sure my meta read on him is better then yours.
Viva feels like awful town to me.

I really want to hear Cerberus's thoughts so no hammer please.

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Post Post #1044 (isolation #90) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:10 pm

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In post 1043, AlwaysInnocent wrote:How can you move so quickly from "null-townish" to "homegirl" in one post?


The same way you can respond to the events that happen over the course of a game in one post maybe?
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #91) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:58 pm

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In post 1052, AlwaysInnocent wrote:It's advanced scum play. This is what Drixx calls HiPS (Hiding In Plain Sight). By playing super aggressive as scum, you can be directly responsible for mislynches and still be townread by people like you.

It's far better than the lurker or opportunistic scum game.


There's a much simpler term for this that's been around longer than Drixx's term, I imagine. It's called "strongarming" and it's not what Titus is doing, there's a difference. Strongarming or HiPS is when you do scummy things and don't care about it, the only "scummy" thing she's been accused of is being wrong.
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #92) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:18 am

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In post 899, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus is one of my strongest town reads. Cakez is up there with her. AI is my number one. Viva is up there as well.

Pistachion is in the middle ish but town for him right now I think.

I'm going to give yonom a town pass for today just because viva thinks he's scum which means that either he over extended as scum or he's town.

So fb (sorry buddy, this is based on razh) the cow pc and cerb are my lynch pool today. I'm actually leaning away from a cow lynch as well based on all the attention on him.

Update on this: I'm less sure of pistachion read, leaning more scummy and there.

Fb is lurking to death so maybe watching tvt? Makes me think I'm right on viva and Titus

I liked that PC took the time to say he didn't have time makes me think he was trying to make time so I'm going to go with closer to null leaning on him from earlier.

I kind of liked cerbs newer stuff, so maybe not lynch him yet?

The Cow seems off but maybe not scum, still undecided there.

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Post Post #1082 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:17 am

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TBH I maybe deserve it. AI is right, SSs play was town, I just took his "slip" too seriously. :/
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:20 pm

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I have one complete game on this site under this account, two if you count the one two years ago under a different account. Closer to 20 or 30 if you count my games two years ago on a different site. Add one to that if you count my hydra with Titus.

Why?
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:54 pm

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In post 1088, Firebringer wrote:Eagle unsure of, meant sircakez and titus.

In post 1089, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1077, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Fb is lurking to death so maybe watching tvt? Makes me think I'm right on viva and Titus

This is so horrible.

These don't look too good right next to each other.
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 1094, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1090, Titus wrote:
In post 1084, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I don't like Eagle.
I don't like SirCakez.
I don't like TheCow.
I don't like Titus.

But at least one of them has to be town.


If I have too many scumreads, I try to induce things assuming my reads are right and wrong.

If X is scum, what should happen? If they are town?

Try it.
Right. I already do that. Your play makes more sense as scum as town, though.

In post 1095, AlwaysInnocent wrote:as scum than town*

You said it right both times
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:02 pm

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BTW what's poor about my play, thecow?
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:03 pm

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Actually that's good post game discussion.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #99) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:08 pm

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In post 1100, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1091, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:These don't look too good right next to each other.

What about it? I said I am unsure of you and some of your logic is bad.

Explain where my logic is bad, please?
In post 1101, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1098, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:BTW what's poor about my play, thecow?

In post 1099, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Actually that's good post game discussion.

I think some of your logic is misplaced on your reads.

Logic is misplaced? Explain, please.
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In post 1102, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Firebringer, why do you think TheCow is town?

Gut feeling with his posts.
His "IDGAF" attitude seems to come from town mindset IMO.

Apathy simply says you don't care so much about your role. Like how I play scum. This means it's less likely you're scum, though, I think.
In post 1108, Karnage wrote:VOTE: phantom cobalt while I continue to do some ISOs

its a combination of the "I will not use associative tells this game" and "I only need two scumreads"

despite the white flag mechanics of this game it looks like scum trying to explain away a lack of scum hunting/scum reads


I actually liked that since it seemed to be an attempt at a different stance on the game based on a previous stance not working well, but that might be too much speculation. :/
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #100) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:08 pm

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In post 1108, Karnage wrote:VOTE: phantom cobalt while I continue to do some ISOs

its a combination of the "I will not use associative tells this game" and "I only need two scumreads"

despite the white flag mechanics of this game it looks like scum trying to explain away a lack of scum hunting/scum reads


I don't like his absence but that might not be alignment indicative.
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #101) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:15 am

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Someone please point out the "logic screw up" I'm hearing so much about because atm it looks like a load of bs.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:40 am

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Hahaha good thing you don't get to decide who dies and who doesn't, viva, at least not during the day. Fire's a great lynch. And I explained the tell on SS a long time ago. I don't know what you're not getting there.
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #103) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:03 am

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in case everyone forgot all the reasons firebringer is a good lynch, here's every post made by his predecessor, oh and btw, all but one is scummy/scum motivated:
In post 19, Yonom wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're trying too hard to jump into conclusions.

In post 20, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.


I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're wrong. Discuss.

Seriously I'm still in D1 shenanigans mode why are you looking into this?

Echoes post above it. Which means he waits until town doesn't it so that if someone jumps on him he can jump on someone else for it and say "they did it first"
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

In post 24, RhazhBash wrote:SS how exactly are you coming to that conclusion?

Echoes again
In post 27, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 25, Something_Smart wrote:Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

Interesting. Explain?

It definitely didn't sound like a joke. Now I feel like you're trying to cover your ass.

More echoes

Also note how both of these players thought it was ridiculous for Titus to call them out as scum, but one jumped on Titus for being ridiculous about both and the other one jumped on the first because she was right about one.

Why would razh get on ss for thinking Titus was ridiculous if he thought the same thing like his first post shows?

I can't help but think that razh is thinking"if I turn on ss and he flips town then both of us are cleared, right?"
In post 36, RhazhBash wrote:I don't like how Phantom tries to force his playstyle and not let it come naturally, but that isn't necessarily alignment indicative either. Besides it's best to not tell the Mafia what they can and can't get away with.

Changes the subject and tries to distract from the attention on him and ss
In post 114, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

I'm sorry I'm more used to a different site where the meta isn't to vote whoever you push. Speaking of I'd like to see if there actually are any associative tells against me in 3 pages, because I sure as hell don't see them.

It's been pages and the only thing he responds to is the vote on him? And what's this about associative tells?
In post 193, RhazhBash wrote:I'm about to reread the thread and look more into a few people's ISOs, but just a quick note. I've played enough games with SirCakez to say this. If Cakez is playing like Town, he's scum. If he's playing like garbage, he's Town. Believe me on this I've seen him play amazing as scum and terribad at Town.

Giving thoughts can be towny ish except this post also shows that he isn't caught up since instead of sharing his read on cakez, he tells everyone else how their read is wrong. No risk for him because he's not sharing his read
In post 203, RhazhBash wrote:VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

Defensive and what? I don't get this post. Still only responding to pressure against him.

Also votes to distract from ss wagon, he's avoiding it for some reason, maybe to get out of vca easier or there's too much scum on it already
In post 207, RhazhBash wrote:SS how many times are you gonna say you weren't serious after you get called out on something?

Confirms that he's still scum reading ss while pushing a counter wagon
In post 211, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 28, Something_Smart wrote:So you think I'm dumb enough to pull out a serious associative tell on page 1.
Noted.

In post 57, Something_Smart wrote:Cause it was a joke
Relax, titus

In post 205, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 197, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 196, Something_Smart wrote:I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.
I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".

I'm sorry I don't have your magical ability to discern town from scum on page 3, but for me anyway scumreads that early can only be so serious.

More of the above
In post 274, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 269, pistachi0n wrote:Rhazh: You were saying earlier that you're townreading Cakez based on meta. Can you link me to some games that will illustrate your point?

http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 17&t=34298

Catching up rn.

Says catching up never does
In post 276, RhazhBash wrote:SirCakez is clearly Town. Ignoring my "he plays bad as Town joke", he normally tries to hide in the background and give much weaker opinions. I can tell here that he's actually scumhunting and not faking it for Town cred. Also AI your reads list is bad.

Good for sharing a single actual read. This is probably his town post
In post 485, Drixx wrote:
Firebringer replaces RhazhBash.

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Post Post #1130 (isolation #104) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:38 am

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Ok did a quick reread of the cow and he actually looks town. I don't get the whole push on Titus, though, when he seemed to think SS was scum at the end of the day yesterday.

@thecow how do you feel about pistachi0n
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #105) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:39 am

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In post 1129, TheCow wrote:ee is either scum or bad t b.h


Disagreeing on reads isn't a good reason for saying things like this.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #106) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:50 am

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Rereading pistachio now.
I like his stuff kind of. He doesn't seem particularly towny or scummy, but I'm going to say he's null for now. One thing that sets me a bit off is this series of posts:
In post 663, pistachi0n wrote:The SS wagon is terrible.

Vote 1: SirCakez, who's been scumreading SS since the joke post . Also, I'm still scumreading Cakez, so I'm biased because of that.

Vote 2: Titus, also scumreading SS since the beginning, claiming he was caught scum early on. Same thing with the . I don't agree with her reasoning for why SS was scum--it was the infamous post 21, and "telegraphing," but didn't give thorough reasons besides those weak ones.

Vote 3: PhantomCobalt, because of "useless theory fluff." Didn't give an example of what the useless theory fluff was, didn't push beyond that.

Vote 4: Yonom, because SS was jumping to conclusions too fast and too randomly. I don't think this was as bad as the other votes, but I disagree with it. I think it's an issue of playstyle--we have people like Cerb who are stingy with their votes and don't use unless almost certain, and we have players like SS who move the vote around to indicate who their current top scumread is.

Vote 5: Extrapolated Eagle, who voted SS after he stopped scumreading Cakez. The vote seems largely arbitrary, EE is scumreading SS for a lot of the same reasons he's townreading AI. SS doesn't seem like someone trying to blend in.

Top scum-reads are Cakez, AI, and Titus.

So he thinks as is town and is suspicious of other people, this is fine.
In post 692, pistachi0n wrote:I do see one inconsistency: SS--why were you changing your vote so often in early game but not budging it now?

But then his read changes as day gets closer to ending
In post 694, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 693, Something_Smart wrote:the reason I haven't changed yet is that there's been no support for an EE wagon and a lone vote is useless, so right now it's doing more on SirCakez.


That didn't stop you earlier. Why is it stopping you now?

And grows
In post 696, pistachi0n wrote:I am noting how you stopped changing your vote when people gave you heat for it; I'm also noting how you were quick to vote EE when I pointed out it was odd that you weren't.

And grows
In post 701, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 699, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 696, pistachi0n wrote:I am noting how you stopped changing your vote when people gave you heat for it; I'm also noting how you were quick to vote EE when I pointed out it was odd that you weren't.

aw man, you figured me out
it wasn't just because you gave me heat, you also made a good point


It seems like a point I shouldn't have had to make, considering how you were playing earlier. I'm starting to scumread you but I'm going to wait until I see a votecount before I decide whether I'm going to vote for you or not.

And now he doesn't want to lynch him
In post 703, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 702, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, there's two ways to place your vote. You can vote your top scumread, or you can vote the one out of your scumreads who you think is most likely to be lynched. I'm still figuring out when is the appropriate time for each, and the only way I can gauge that is by others' reactions.
Out of curiosity, which do you think is stronger?


Which one? Scumread?

I'm going to vote you if you aren't at L-1. If you are, I don't want to hammer yet. That's why I'm waiting for the vote count to be posted.

But instead pushes a lynch on ss. TBH the build up is a bit weak and forces to me
In post 706, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: SomethingSmart

I think we'll get information from this lynch. If SS flips town, I'm going to be looking at Titus for scum tomorrow. If SS flips scum, I'm going to pursue AI.

And all of a sudden it's an information lynch he's using to setup two more pushes tomorrow. I really don't like this post.

other than this he seems a bit solid, but I think this series of posts gives way to his true intentions, so I'm going to say leaning scum on him as well
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #107) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:52 am

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In post 1132, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I am starting to think I might be wrong about Cerberus being town.

Yeah I've been split on him, I'm going back on that next
In post 1133, TheCow wrote:Its about sending a message

Scum.


I was serious in my question about pistachio
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #108) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:53 am

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I'd also like to hear a lot more from the karnage and pc slots
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #109) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:02 am

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Oh dear I'll get to Cerberus later. Way too many words.
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #110) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:30 am

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In post 1143, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1126, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Hahaha good thing you don't get to decide who dies and who doesn't, viva, at least not during the day. Fire's a great lynch. And I explained the tell on SS a long time ago. I don't know what you're not getting there.

I am starting to join the "fire is a good lynch bandwagon"

Normally I think people who want to lynch me are just those who hate my playstyle or consider it anti town or something, I don't know. Think eagle is kinda scum and not just misguided town.


k i'm going to need you to rephrase those two sentences because they look like they contradict each other from where I am.

And I don't hate your playstyle or think it's necessarily anti-town I don't think. Give me a reason to think you're town, though, and please stop making be feel bad for pushing you :'(
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #111) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:37 am

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In post 1145, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1144, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:k i'm going to need you to rephrase those two sentences because they look like they contradict each other from where I am.

And I don't hate your playstyle or think it's necessarily anti-town I don't think. Give me a reason to think you're town, though, and please stop making be feel bad for pushing you :'(

Am I using moonlogic?
Hate that.

What's moonlogic? O_o
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #112) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:39 am

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In post 1147, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1146, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.


Oh that's me like all the time. I think. Maybe? IDK.
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #113) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:11 am

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In post 1150, Titus wrote:
In post 1147, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1146, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.


It's a valid argument no one understands at first glance but it's accurate. It seems to come out of left field.

It's because I look at move/countermove. One side does X and the other should do Y.

Everyone brings a unique perspective. I can be hard to understand at points. I am hydrating with clearer people to learn why.

This seems to make more sense. FB didn't really seem to use "moonlogic" then, since he seemed to say "I am on board with the "fire needs a lynch wagon"" and then say "I am not on board with it because I am thinking the people on that wagon are scummy"

Where did the term "Moon" start applying to the logic?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #114) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:35 pm

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@people scum reading Titus, please quote three posts of hers that show scum motivation and explain the scum and motivation behind it or move on. Pistachio and Firebringer are good lynches today and the last time I read through cerb I got a bad feeling about him as well, but I might need to look into that again.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #115) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:38 pm

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In post 1169, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1168, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@people scum reading Titus, please quote three posts of hers that show scum motivation and explain the scum and motivation behind it or move on. Pistachio and Firebringer are good lynches today and the last time I read through cerb I got a bad feeling about him as well, but I might need to look into that again.
I am not very interested in your proposed candidates. I would suggest that you look further into Cerberus' posts.

Did you read through my analysis of their posts?

And I'm going looking into him right now
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #116) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:44 pm

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In post 4, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:First!
VOTE: Cerberus
Die, dog of the devil.


Good choice. But I'm like, a robot dog. Not a devil dog. O.o

I don't know, innocent, maybe I'm just dumb and tired, but I'm not seeing scum here. I guess I can reread again later but I don't know how that would help. Perhaps you should share reasons for scum reading him?

I'm moving on to karnage/yonom, since I think maybe they're the next decent lynch. If I had to shoot three right now it would be fire, pistachio, karnage in that order
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #117) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:45 pm

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Ugh that quote isn't supposed to be there, I must have accidentally clicked it.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #118) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:02 pm

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alright, here's my analysis of cerb:
In post 4, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:First!
VOTE: Cerberus
Die, dog of the devil.


Good choice. But I'm like, a robot dog. Not a devil dog. O.o

This could be a fearful reaction from scum and that's the first thought that came to my head when I saw it. But the rest of his play is calm, relaxed, even his response to me, which makes me think this is genuine and town.
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?


I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?


I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

The way he talks about bussing and later when he discusses the fact that he doesn't vote on day one very often makes me think he's experienced enough to know what works for him. If he's scum, he's good scum because he seems to feel comfortable and relaxed in his role.
In post 39, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 38, PhantomCobalt wrote:This mechanic adds a lot of WIFOM to the game, and I'd rather not be a part of it.

@Rhazh I had to force it because I'm going to have to force myself not to scum-read people with associatives, even at a subconscious level.

@SirCakez What more to you want to hear? With the White Flag mechanic, scum's associatives are unpredictable. Why do you find using associatives are odd? Are you going to use them?


Let me get this straight...you're saying that because this setup has a history of motivating scum to bus, you are going to ignore ALL associative's so you don't fall prey to any such strategy?

This is an interesting reaction and it could be scum trying to wifom town back into wifoming but it could also be a legitimate reaction. I'm not sure on this, it's a bit of wifom in itself. :/
In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.



YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

This post shows how coolheaded he is.
In post 140, Cerberus v666 wrote:I vote, Titus, but not for reasons this weak.

Cakes: how does your read on SS relate to your read on rhazh?

Nothing is taking him by surprise much. I don't know, but I'm thinking maybe town just biding his time to find scum, although I guess it's taking a while, isn't it.
In post 126, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 123, TheCow wrote:
Spoiler: post 14
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?


I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?


I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

This here quote made me interested in Cerberus. The wording a tone plus the length. Ending it on "-Cerb", too.

Spoiler: posts 69,74,86
In post 69, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 65, Titus wrote:
In post 64, Learned Hand wrote:
In post 63, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages
I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.


AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.



Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.


Think of it as helping Drixx be a better moderator, now this game will show up for him even when he's in hydra with you. :D

Also, Titus, I'm pretty sure you're doing that thing I hate where you go off of like, nothing at all, and just decide a buncha people are scum. :-/

Speaking of Titus, who here is familiar with her, besides myself? And SS I guess, since she did say something about not being their IC anymore.

In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.



YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

In post 86, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 85, SirCakez wrote:Do you object to my posting a reads list?


84 post reads list. *sigh* This should be entertaining. :p

Weird that you'd ask if anyone objects, I mean...everybody likes getting more content from people that's actually meaningful, town so they can sort them, scum so they can twist it. *shrug*

TheCow: I'm at work, and this is kinda my lowest priority if ya know what I mean. :P

Ask me stuff though and I'll gladly talk to you about whatever though.

The format is similar, but those things I found interesting are gone. 84 came later with the emotes. I found this bit strange.

The conclusion I drew was that post 14 is far more worked than the other posts an was supposed to be catchier, be this a conscious decision or not. The "-Cerb" bit looks like a habit from playing in hydras. Oddly bulky first post (based on previous games) so the decision was likely conscious. Requires further reading.


Oh, lol. Yes, I did make a conscious decision to tell a game full of people who don't know me about my standard play before I start getting crap about not voting. I mean, usually nobody mentions me not voting until a few VC's in, and THEN I give them the spiel, but this time it happened on the first page, so I gave him the spiel then. And yeah, I've been playing in hydras lately, so I just reflexively signed the post. *shrug*

The other important point is that the first post(If you consider I'm in PST) came while I was at home, chillin' and all the other posts have come while I'm here, at work, and have to be sneaky about posting, so I try to keep it brief when possible, unless I decide to pull up a notepad and compose outside of MS, then post.

Good eye though TheCow.

This is an interesting prepared response. Like I've said before, he's played this role before and he's ready for it.
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In post 984, Cerberus v666 wrote:Holy shit. Okay, umm. Viva, what you're doing is the definition of a death tunnel. Maybe you're fucking right (I haven't seen anything from Titus to make me feel strongly about her in any way), but the WAY you're doing this is incredibly anti-town. You're ridiculous push almost put us at L-1 less than a day into the phase. Answering: lol speedlynch me if I'm wrong is bullshit if you're town, because now you're fucking asking for two mislynches in a row. Go directly to LYLO with 0 scum flips, do not pass go. How about you give us a REAL appraisal of the game state, starting with the assumption that Titus is conftown. I am very interested in seeing where your reasoning leads you. Remember, if Titus is conftown, people who have disagreed with you about lynching her aren't automatically scum anymore!

TheCow: is this a wagon because he's useless? Is that basically what I'm looking at? Oh, and "meta". "Lolhammered town" Yeah, right, because scum wouldn't be SUPER aware of the fact that they're blatantly hammering town. Are you telling me TheCow is Uber and next leveling us here? He made rhe blatant lolhammer play assuming we'd think "No fucking way scum just did that?" No offense, the cow, but I assume competence in scum teams, not inspired play, competence alone does not make that play make sense, and I don't have nearly enough experience with TheCow to assume he's capable of taking that line.

So, yeah. Give me more guys. Titus had a stupid tell that worked for her a few times before and she placed her faith in it, and TheCow is a useless lurksack. Does anybody actually have any more reason for having lynch worthy certainty the wagon they're on is on scum?

In post 1047, Cerberus v666 wrote:TheCow

:interest in pistachion and SS' read on sircakez
: questions 83 vs 104. Misrepresented SS's sequence of "express suspicion of Sircakez, then vote him later" as a flip in his opinion. Misunderstanding?
:Titus/Cakes/Cerb solid town, AI minor town, yonom scumlean, EE scum, pistachion is a "black sheep", PC, NAN are null. Rhazh is probably just a bad player, but not actually scum.
: dislikes both viva and titus
: dislikes how titus presents their arguments, wants to SS flip to put titus into perspective.
: "dissolving reads list pending reread" Hmm.
: declaration of intent to hammer SS.
: calls out PC for having two nulls, when he had multiple nulls in his own reads list. :-/ Hypocrisy!=scum. but weird.
: declaration of refusal to vote for SS because he looks town now
: lolhammer.

D2

: votes pistachion. Gone are the previous reads, as declared in 632 I guess? I don't like that. Did you go read pistachions meta TheCow? Or was there some reason for him going from a black sheep, as you put it, to hard scum?
: Down to wagon EE, so, back to consistency with prewipe reads
: votes titus, null.
: pistachion, EE, Titus are scum. Alright.

>>future distancing from the decision by saying "A man does what he says he's going to do" really bugs me. He said he wasn't going to vote SS, after all, didn't he? It's inconsistent, and I hate lolhammers.

He gets to be slightly scummy, for the inconsistencies, and the convenient dissolution of reads. I mean, reevaluating reads based on new events is cool, but what he did basically gave him carte blanche for changing his story. Might be more than slightly scummy, actually. Hmm.

pedit: I never even said she was null-townish? There was nothing alignment indicative in her play until today. Just a buncha stupid tunneling off a stupid tell that she now knows isn't perfect.

In post 1048, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh lol. YOu were referring to me saying the behavior in point 1 was null to slightly town. Yeah, no, it's the second point that's the slam dunk there. Why the hell do you set yourself up to 1v1 the person who you weren't even scum reading before in a super OMGUS? It looks INCREDIBLY scummy at first glance, and as such it's too fucking obvious. It's just NOT going to happen unless you're in a game with a LOT of players who you know really really REALLY well.

In post 1050, Cerberus v666 wrote:84: suspicious of rhazh and sircakez, who is fluffy and trying too hard, and votes sircakez.
178: dislikes SS' 177.

Some NAI theory stuff, interacting with SirCakez.

386: Thinks AI's 371 is a gambit of some kind, probably scum

389, 394, 397: Clear scumhunting, trying to get in AI's head. Did he ever actually give her a proper answer to 397?

663: Excellent analysis. Declares SS wagon is terrible. Cakez, AI, and Titus are top scumreads.

689: More pressure on AI

692, 694, 696, 701: Notes SS' inconsistency in frequent vote changes early game, but refusal to move it later in the day. Notes suspicion of SS at this point due to the convenience of changing styles once it got him negative attention.

706: Vote on SS, while stating suspicion of Titus and AI dependent upon SS' flip. Pistachion, can you explain why SS scum=AI scum? Also, what happened to sircakez as scum here? Is he just not in the picture at all anymore, or does this flip not reflect upon him in any way? I hate this vote, btw, Information lynch, etc. It's pretty terrible, but the logic with regards to titus kinda held, and may hold for AI, depends.

D2

958: Town!Titus=EE scum. Why?

I need her answers to my questions to give any sort of meaningful final appraisal. I don't know if this Titus push is opportunistic or real. No suspicion of Titus prior to 663, once the wagon was going strong, which makes it feel potentially fabricated.

Need more information.

pedit: AI, do you honestly find it likely that scum!Titus tunneled the shit out of town D1 without giving anything resembling a good reason to fall back on, and then basically said "fight me" to the person leading the push on her, when the sentiment of town was completely against her, and doing so looked scummy as hell?

In post 1060, Cerberus v666 wrote:I find it extremely improbable that she would take that line as scum. I disagree with AI's appraisal of Titus' scum play. So, yeah, she's probtown. Likely as close to conftown as we're gonna get in a game without PRs.

And as you see here he's put a whole lot of work and dedication into this game. If he's scum he's putting a lot more work into this game than necessary. I think he's a strong town read for me now.

@cerb do you have leads on scum?
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #119) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:02 pm

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alright, here's my analysis of cerb:
In post 4, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 3, Something_Smart wrote:First!
VOTE: Cerberus
Die, dog of the devil.


Good choice. But I'm like, a robot dog. Not a devil dog. O.o

This could be a fearful reaction from scum and that's the first thought that came to my head when I saw it. But the rest of his play is calm, relaxed, even his response to me, which makes me think this is genuine and town.
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?


I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?


I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

The way he talks about bussing and later when he discusses the fact that he doesn't vote on day one very often makes me think he's experienced enough to know what works for him. If he's scum, he's good scum because he seems to feel comfortable and relaxed in his role.
In post 39, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 38, PhantomCobalt wrote:This mechanic adds a lot of WIFOM to the game, and I'd rather not be a part of it.

@Rhazh I had to force it because I'm going to have to force myself not to scum-read people with associatives, even at a subconscious level.

@SirCakez What more to you want to hear? With the White Flag mechanic, scum's associatives are unpredictable. Why do you find using associatives are odd? Are you going to use them?


Let me get this straight...you're saying that because this setup has a history of motivating scum to bus, you are going to ignore ALL associative's so you don't fall prey to any such strategy?

This is an interesting reaction and it could be scum trying to wifom town back into wifoming but it could also be a legitimate reaction. I'm not sure on this, it's a bit of wifom in itself. :/
In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.



YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

This post shows how coolheaded he is.
In post 140, Cerberus v666 wrote:I vote, Titus, but not for reasons this weak.

Cakes: how does your read on SS relate to your read on rhazh?

Nothing is taking him by surprise much. I don't know, but I'm thinking maybe town just biding his time to find scum, although I guess it's taking a while, isn't it.
In post 126, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 123, TheCow wrote:
Spoiler: post 14
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?


I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?


I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

This here quote made me interested in Cerberus. The wording a tone plus the length. Ending it on "-Cerb", too.

Spoiler: posts 69,74,86
In post 69, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 65, Titus wrote:
In post 64, Learned Hand wrote:
In post 63, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages
I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.


AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.



Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.


Think of it as helping Drixx be a better moderator, now this game will show up for him even when he's in hydra with you. :D

Also, Titus, I'm pretty sure you're doing that thing I hate where you go off of like, nothing at all, and just decide a buncha people are scum. :-/

Speaking of Titus, who here is familiar with her, besides myself? And SS I guess, since she did say something about not being their IC anymore.

In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.



YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

In post 86, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 85, SirCakez wrote:Do you object to my posting a reads list?


84 post reads list. *sigh* This should be entertaining. :p

Weird that you'd ask if anyone objects, I mean...everybody likes getting more content from people that's actually meaningful, town so they can sort them, scum so they can twist it. *shrug*

TheCow: I'm at work, and this is kinda my lowest priority if ya know what I mean. :P

Ask me stuff though and I'll gladly talk to you about whatever though.

The format is similar, but those things I found interesting are gone. 84 came later with the emotes. I found this bit strange.

The conclusion I drew was that post 14 is far more worked than the other posts an was supposed to be catchier, be this a conscious decision or not. The "-Cerb" bit looks like a habit from playing in hydras. Oddly bulky first post (based on previous games) so the decision was likely conscious. Requires further reading.


Oh, lol. Yes, I did make a conscious decision to tell a game full of people who don't know me about my standard play before I start getting crap about not voting. I mean, usually nobody mentions me not voting until a few VC's in, and THEN I give them the spiel, but this time it happened on the first page, so I gave him the spiel then. And yeah, I've been playing in hydras lately, so I just reflexively signed the post. *shrug*

The other important point is that the first post(If you consider I'm in PST) came while I was at home, chillin' and all the other posts have come while I'm here, at work, and have to be sneaky about posting, so I try to keep it brief when possible, unless I decide to pull up a notepad and compose outside of MS, then post.

Good eye though TheCow.

This is an interesting prepared response. Like I've said before, he's played this role before and he's ready for it.
Spoiler:
In post 984, Cerberus v666 wrote:Holy shit. Okay, umm. Viva, what you're doing is the definition of a death tunnel. Maybe you're fucking right (I haven't seen anything from Titus to make me feel strongly about her in any way), but the WAY you're doing this is incredibly anti-town. You're ridiculous push almost put us at L-1 less than a day into the phase. Answering: lol speedlynch me if I'm wrong is bullshit if you're town, because now you're fucking asking for two mislynches in a row. Go directly to LYLO with 0 scum flips, do not pass go. How about you give us a REAL appraisal of the game state, starting with the assumption that Titus is conftown. I am very interested in seeing where your reasoning leads you. Remember, if Titus is conftown, people who have disagreed with you about lynching her aren't automatically scum anymore!

TheCow: is this a wagon because he's useless? Is that basically what I'm looking at? Oh, and "meta". "Lolhammered town" Yeah, right, because scum wouldn't be SUPER aware of the fact that they're blatantly hammering town. Are you telling me TheCow is Uber and next leveling us here? He made rhe blatant lolhammer play assuming we'd think "No fucking way scum just did that?" No offense, the cow, but I assume competence in scum teams, not inspired play, competence alone does not make that play make sense, and I don't have nearly enough experience with TheCow to assume he's capable of taking that line.

So, yeah. Give me more guys. Titus had a stupid tell that worked for her a few times before and she placed her faith in it, and TheCow is a useless lurksack. Does anybody actually have any more reason for having lynch worthy certainty the wagon they're on is on scum?

In post 1047, Cerberus v666 wrote:TheCow

:interest in pistachion and SS' read on sircakez
: questions 83 vs 104. Misrepresented SS's sequence of "express suspicion of Sircakez, then vote him later" as a flip in his opinion. Misunderstanding?
:Titus/Cakes/Cerb solid town, AI minor town, yonom scumlean, EE scum, pistachion is a "black sheep", PC, NAN are null. Rhazh is probably just a bad player, but not actually scum.
: dislikes both viva and titus
: dislikes how titus presents their arguments, wants to SS flip to put titus into perspective.
: "dissolving reads list pending reread" Hmm.
: declaration of intent to hammer SS.
: calls out PC for having two nulls, when he had multiple nulls in his own reads list. :-/ Hypocrisy!=scum. but weird.
: declaration of refusal to vote for SS because he looks town now
: lolhammer.

D2

: votes pistachion. Gone are the previous reads, as declared in 632 I guess? I don't like that. Did you go read pistachions meta TheCow? Or was there some reason for him going from a black sheep, as you put it, to hard scum?
: Down to wagon EE, so, back to consistency with prewipe reads
: votes titus, null.
: pistachion, EE, Titus are scum. Alright.

>>future distancing from the decision by saying "A man does what he says he's going to do" really bugs me. He said he wasn't going to vote SS, after all, didn't he? It's inconsistent, and I hate lolhammers.

He gets to be slightly scummy, for the inconsistencies, and the convenient dissolution of reads. I mean, reevaluating reads based on new events is cool, but what he did basically gave him carte blanche for changing his story. Might be more than slightly scummy, actually. Hmm.

pedit: I never even said she was null-townish? There was nothing alignment indicative in her play until today. Just a buncha stupid tunneling off a stupid tell that she now knows isn't perfect.

In post 1048, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh lol. YOu were referring to me saying the behavior in point 1 was null to slightly town. Yeah, no, it's the second point that's the slam dunk there. Why the hell do you set yourself up to 1v1 the person who you weren't even scum reading before in a super OMGUS? It looks INCREDIBLY scummy at first glance, and as such it's too fucking obvious. It's just NOT going to happen unless you're in a game with a LOT of players who you know really really REALLY well.

In post 1050, Cerberus v666 wrote:84: suspicious of rhazh and sircakez, who is fluffy and trying too hard, and votes sircakez.
178: dislikes SS' 177.

Some NAI theory stuff, interacting with SirCakez.

386: Thinks AI's 371 is a gambit of some kind, probably scum

389, 394, 397: Clear scumhunting, trying to get in AI's head. Did he ever actually give her a proper answer to 397?

663: Excellent analysis. Declares SS wagon is terrible. Cakez, AI, and Titus are top scumreads.

689: More pressure on AI

692, 694, 696, 701: Notes SS' inconsistency in frequent vote changes early game, but refusal to move it later in the day. Notes suspicion of SS at this point due to the convenience of changing styles once it got him negative attention.

706: Vote on SS, while stating suspicion of Titus and AI dependent upon SS' flip. Pistachion, can you explain why SS scum=AI scum? Also, what happened to sircakez as scum here? Is he just not in the picture at all anymore, or does this flip not reflect upon him in any way? I hate this vote, btw, Information lynch, etc. It's pretty terrible, but the logic with regards to titus kinda held, and may hold for AI, depends.

D2

958: Town!Titus=EE scum. Why?

I need her answers to my questions to give any sort of meaningful final appraisal. I don't know if this Titus push is opportunistic or real. No suspicion of Titus prior to 663, once the wagon was going strong, which makes it feel potentially fabricated.

Need more information.

pedit: AI, do you honestly find it likely that scum!Titus tunneled the shit out of town D1 without giving anything resembling a good reason to fall back on, and then basically said "fight me" to the person leading the push on her, when the sentiment of town was completely against her, and doing so looked scummy as hell?

In post 1060, Cerberus v666 wrote:I find it extremely improbable that she would take that line as scum. I disagree with AI's appraisal of Titus' scum play. So, yeah, she's probtown. Likely as close to conftown as we're gonna get in a game without PRs.

And as you see here he's put a whole lot of work and dedication into this game. If he's scum he's putting a lot more work into this game than necessary. I think he's a strong town read for me now.

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Post Post #1179 (isolation #120) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:53 pm

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In post 1177, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1168, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@people scum reading Titus, please quote three posts of hers that show scum motivation and explain the scum and motivation behind it or move on. Pistachio and Firebringer are good lynches today and the last time I read through cerb I got a bad feeling about him as well, but I might need to look into that again.


-- Her scumread of SS was based off of "telegraphing," which is not an automatically scummy behavior. Other things she didn't give examples of.

-- Confident the game is solved on Day 1.

Also the relative inactivity (compared to how she normally is) after the SS wagon was taking off.

-- Misrepresenting me. Possibly intentional to discredit me? I don't know, but it's a misrep.

This is ok. I don't know, I still think I disagree with these. I guess if you say for number one that she's not providing many reasons that could be scummy but I've seen it from town so often and I'm so tempted to use it myself simply because I have such a hard time explaining myself

Two is more of a town than scum thing, IMO. I've seen confident town so far more often than I've Deen confident scum, especially on day one when so Mich can go wrong, I see that confidence only really coming from town who thinks they've caught scum.

As to the absence I guess she didn't see much reason to push it since it was already taking off? I mean she did come and and give it a couple nudges when it got stale, I don't really see a reason for her to push it any more. On top of this she became active ish after her wagon failed, although she isn't pushing too hard, so, idk? That part might be scummy.

For the last bit, it's hard to say misrepping comes from scum and I try to say it's only misinterpretation unless it happens repeatedly and only in convenient situations, etc.
In post 1178, pistachi0n wrote:Also, @EE: Cerb is normally coolheaded, but it falls apart here:

In post 1127, Cerberus v666 wrote:Viva, I feel like you misunderstood those first two posts about Titus. The first one I asked her if her reads had changed at all since she hadn't been talking about the other two, which has nothing to do with how I read her. It's part of how I determine alignments, but I ask everyone shit like that. In the second, I make a post of me saying I have no fucking clue how I feel about how. I use a funny ASCII dude shrugging to indictate my read on her. How do you get me saying I scumread her out of that???? You're accusing me of scumread>townread, with no reasons, when it was null>townread, with fucking reasons.

I saw that and it looked kind of town to me.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #121) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:31 pm

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In post 1180, pistachi0n wrote:Why did you think that Cerb post was town?

I completely get frustration with being misrepresented and that's what that looked like.
In post 1181, AlwaysInnocent wrote:It's not so much that this game is a mindfuck game. It is just that everyone seems crazy, or scum, or with their head up their asses.

are you talking about mafia in general or this game in particular. I think if you speak of the latter some people have been worse about it than others
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #122) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:33 pm

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In post 1189, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1188, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1184, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Eagle, you seem to have an answer for everybody's play. It seems that you know what is going on a little too well.

This is pretty bad. Just because he's making analyses he "knows what's going on too well"?
Nice strawman, but the way he defends people seems to betray a certain insight into the role distribution (i.e., scum).

Similar to you defending random people for crappy reasons.


Wait a minute. Because I have extensive reasons for my reads... I'm scum?
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #123) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:21 am

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In post 1193, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1191, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1189, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1188, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1184, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Eagle, you seem to have an answer for everybody's play. It seems that you know what is going on a little too well.

This is pretty bad. Just because he's making analyses he "knows what's going on too well"?
Nice strawman, but the way he defends people seems to betray a certain insight into the role distribution (i.e., scum).

Similar to you defending random people for crappy reasons.


Wait a minute. Because I have extensive reasons for my reads... I'm scum?
I notice you jumping in everywhere defending whomever for town creds.

So doing things that you can get town cred for (ie, towny things) is scummy now? Dude, seriously? And you're saying I shouldn't defend my town reads? I'm sorry, too towny to be town isn't a thing. :/
In post 1197, Viva La Gloria wrote:I could actually see Eagle scum but if Eagle's scum he's almost definitely scum with Titus so please, AI, vote her with me.

This is a change from earlier, explain?
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #124) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:30 am

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What is this? I've done more reads list than anyone else this day, and I'm the only one who's done complete reads lists. Fine, here's update number three:
In post 1077, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 899, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus is one of my strongest town reads. Cakez is up there with her. AI is my number one. Viva is up there as well.

Pistachion is in the middle ish but town for him right now I think.

I'm going to give yonom a town pass for today just because viva thinks he's scum which means that either he over extended as scum or he's town.

So fb (sorry buddy, this is based on razh) the cow pc and cerb are my lynch pool today. I'm actually leaning away from a cow lynch as well based on all the attention on him.

Update on this: I'm less sure of pistachion read, leaning more scummy and there.

Fb is lurking to death so maybe watching tvt? Makes me think I'm right on viva and Titus

I liked that PC took the time to say he didn't have time makes me think he was trying to make time so I'm going to go with closer to null leaning on him from earlier.

I kind of liked cerbs newer stuff, so maybe not lynch him yet?

The Cow seems off but maybe not scum, still undecided there.

VOTE: Firebringer

Titus, cakez, ai, cerb, and cow are town for me. Pretty sure of these.

I'm leaning town on viva

PC and yonom have been absent, but if we're to lynch one of these, I prefer the latter.

FB and Pistachio are scum


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ISO me if you need reasons, I've done almost all of these recently.

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Post Post #1205 (isolation #125) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:42 pm

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Here's cow:
In post 33, TheCow wrote:VOTE: AI
first player on the player list is scum 60% of the time, every time.

This looks kinda scummy at first like trying to pull off ss wagon but ss is town and he doesn't get towncred for an indirect white knight, also....
In post 45, TheCow wrote:VOTE: SS
this is fine

This is his next post with no new developments on ss since the last one which makes me think last one was rvs and this one is more real.
In post 51, TheCow wrote:
In post 50, Something_Smart wrote:Phantom why are scum's associatives unpredictable? The mechanic does not even kick in until two scum remain, what makes you think they will play differently with three alive?

Can you rephrase this? It sounds like you're advocating for both sides here.

This is one of many posts where he sorts the game
In post 54, TheCow wrote:That makes far more sense, thank you.

Do you normally find D1 associatives reliable? Associatives before Mafia flips in general? Which and why?

I like these questions, they push in a good way for good answers.
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages

In post 76, TheCow wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.

More sorting
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

what do you make of this, sc?

Cerb, make a few posts. I'm interested in what you sound like.

More sorting
In post 89, TheCow wrote:
In post 86, Cerberus v666 wrote:
TheCow: I'm at work, and this is kinda my lowest priority if ya know what I mean. :P

Nah, I'm just interested in learning your posting style. Its standing out to me.
Something_Smart wrote:Ah Titus I understand your pov now.
SirCakez feels off to me.

Define "off"?

Pistachio, your read on Rhazh -- does "wary" mean you're scumleaning the slot, or just looking at it?

More sorting
In post 100, TheCow wrote:
In post 91, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 85, SirCakez wrote:Do you object to my posting a reads list?


It's not the fact that you posted a reads list, it's that it was so early in the game and you didn't give reasons for why you were reading people the way you were. Still, it's content and content is useful, so object isn't the right word.

Pedit @Cow: I'm just looking at it for now--null/weak scrum. It was the first thing that jumped out at me as scummy, but other people were already pointing it out and there wasn't any focus on SirCakez, who seems way scummier.

Those two reads are -- as of right now -- mutually exclusive, I presume?

@AI: SS+Rhaz->PC->Cakez (?)

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In post 109, TheCow wrote:
In post 83, Something_Smart wrote:Ah Titus I understand your pov now.
SirCakez feels off to me.

In post 104, Something_Smart wrote:I don't like Cakez because he's making unsupported statements while overly explaining his actions. He gives the feeling of scum trying not to stand out.
VOTE: SirCakez

What motivated this flip?

More sorting
In post 112, TheCow wrote:
In post 111, SirCakez wrote:The actual motivation they have is getting a counterwagon off of your scum butt.

Please rephrase this in a way that makes sense. "They" and "your"?

In post 120, TheCow wrote:
In post 73, Titus wrote:Cerb, SS and Rhaz did the same "joking" tell BM did in Sudoken.

Join me.

Spoiler: quotes
In post 65, Titus wrote:
In post 64, Learned Hand wrote:
In post 63, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages
I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.


AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.



Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.

In post 58, Titus wrote:Lynch SS.

If he flips scum, lynch Rz.

If we cooperate, we may win by post 200.

SS and Rhazh are you two scumgets here, I presume? The first quote here implying that those two, with Cerbs, are your three scumleans/reads?

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Posting and driving is unsafe, try to avoid dying.

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In post 123, TheCow wrote:
Spoiler: post 14
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?


I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

In post 10, SirCakez wrote:Cerberus, why no RVS?


I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

This here quote made me interested in Cerberus. The wording a tone plus the length. Ending it on "-Cerb", too.

Spoiler: posts 69,74,86
In post 69, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 65, Titus wrote:
In post 64, Learned Hand wrote:
In post 63, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 62, TheCow wrote:AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages
I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.


AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.



Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.


Think of it as helping Drixx be a better moderator, now this game will show up for him even when he's in hydra with you. :D

Also, Titus, I'm pretty sure you're doing that thing I hate where you go off of like, nothing at all, and just decide a buncha people are scum. :-/

Speaking of Titus, who here is familiar with her, besides myself? And SS I guess, since she did say something about not being their IC anymore.

In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 72, SirCakez wrote:PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.
Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.



YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

In post 86, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 85, SirCakez wrote:Do you object to my posting a reads list?


84 post reads list. *sigh* This should be entertaining. :p

Weird that you'd ask if anyone objects, I mean...everybody likes getting more content from people that's actually meaningful, town so they can sort them, scum so they can twist it. *shrug*

TheCow: I'm at work, and this is kinda my lowest priority if ya know what I mean. :P

Ask me stuff though and I'll gladly talk to you about whatever though.

The format is similar, but those things I found interesting are gone. 84 came later with the emotes. I found this bit strange.

The conclusion I drew was that post 14 is far more worked than the other posts an was supposed to be catchier, be this a conscious decision or not. The "-Cerb" bit looks like a habit from playing in hydras. Oddly bulky first post (based on previous games) so the decision was likely conscious. Requires further reading.

More sorting, good cerb analysis, a lot of extra work for scum
In post 204, TheCow wrote:
In post 203, RhazhBash wrote:VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

please lynch yourself

Good call
In post 343, TheCow wrote:Intent to vote SS (need to see what the vote number is at).

Did some rereading. Putting Titus and 666 as solid Town at this point. Cakez is null because I have poor experiences attempting to read the guy. I want to call Rhazh scum but I know he's probably just really, really bad.

AI is giving me minor townie vibes, slotting him in my towns. Slotting Yonom as a scumlean, therefore scum. pistachi0n is a black sheep for me, requires meta analysis which I can't be assed to do right now. Slotting EE as scum because of where they stand and shit, some tldr shit right here tbh. Nulling NAN because I'm lazy and don't feel motivated to sort the slot. PC is null, not much from them rn.

I'll elaborate on at least one read, whichever looks the most fruitful when I look again. Gotta go to the library b o i s

Mo soting
In post 364, TheCow wrote:v666
Titus
AI
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Cakez
pistachi0n
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PC
NAN
Rhazh
EE
---
droog
Yanam
SS

More.
In post 632, TheCow wrote:Dissolving my reads lists until I reread.

In post 759, TheCow wrote:SS's flailing looks like it's from town. I'm not voting that.

In post 768, TheCow wrote:Increase post volume. I smell desperation.

In post 805, TheCow wrote:Eh, fuck it.
VOTE: ss

In post 1026, TheCow wrote:ee hammer please

these are interesting. Boredom, maybe. Or certainty. Or confidence. The last is town, imo. The former two are non alignment indicative.

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But these are a few of many sorting posts and after taking a second look at these it makes me slightly suspicious of cakez for trying to set him up as scum. I actually don't see any opportunism or begging for town cred really at all. And he gets frustrated when called scum - he calls me bad because of it, and he was right, he's playing a pretty obviously town game, I was bad for not seeing it.
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #126) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:43 pm

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I'm actually going to look at cakez again because I saw his push against cow and I didn't like when I saw it from cows perspective.
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #127) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:50 pm

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Ehhh.... I'm too tired to do cakez right now. @sc, could you give reads and explanations for any places you disagree with me?
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #128) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:43 pm

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In post 1210, Titus wrote:@EE, Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean they are scumhunting or sorting.

For town, you might want to see some sort of followup to the questions. Cow is jumping like a basketball. So what he asks questions. What does he do with it? That's what I'm not seeing. He just seems to jump to whatever's being talked about. *shrug*


He's not invested yet, no, but he's not uninvested. He's put thought into his posts and more work than really plausible for scum. I don't know. He could be scum, I guess, but I'm not really on the "I want to lynch him any time soon" train.
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #129) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:34 pm

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@Kickass, I'm the same way, lots of experience off forum, so good to meet you.

I didn't say I was scum with Titus, I said I was scum in a hydra with Titus, it's different. We were the same person. Idk if this affects your reads at all, just helping to make sure you have your facts right.

@Titus I'm good with pistachion or fire today
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #130) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:06 pm

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In post 1242, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Hi EE! :)

Yes, I got that. It was when you said (and I'm just paraphrasing to save me time):

"I saw scum Titus, and she confused town, but I could see she was scum."

When you are scum, you always think your scum partners/hydra look more scummy. I found it, no disrespect, irrelevant, and I found the mentioning of it in more than one post...not quite buddying...yet...kinda buddying. Soft buddying, if you will.

Naw, that part was talking about the fact that I guessed she was scum before I even asked to hydra with her: she started the game solo and then mid game we hydraed. But totally agree, scum looks more like scum when you know they're scum.
In post 1244, SirCakez wrote:KAAG I've been wanting to vote FB for a while now. It's clear in my ISO. Cow's wagon is just completely dead and I want to pressure another slot that's received none all game. I'm still confident in a lynch of Cow.
Eagle if you want to lynch Fire join us on his wagon.


Uhh, I've been pushing fire since before it was cool. :cool:
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #131) » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:27 pm

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In post 1291, AlwaysInnocent wrote:But, I don't think it is SvS either. One of you is town and the other is scum. So even though you are both suspects I am hesitant to vote for either of you.

Hence my vote on Eagle.


This seems like poor logic to me. If one is scum and the other is town, why not flip one and if town, fluorescent the other?
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Post Post #1328 (isolation #132) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:05 am

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AI and viva need to figure out what they're doing and stick with instead of just calling anything scum that disagrees with them and then jumping on the wagon as long as they're online. Seriously if anyone wants to evade your suspicion, all they have to do is stop talking and wait until your ever so long attention spans swap to someone else. And I promise it isn't that hard.

Pistachio and firebringer are likely scum, and I bet you that the reason firebringer is town read by ai and viva is that he hasn't said much aboutto be scum read, and the stuff he did say that was scummy was so long ago that it's likely not relevant to his alignment anymore. :/ The one person constantly read and pushed as scum even when she isn't around is Titus, and that is because you have such a deep fear of getting outplayed or being wrong that you'd rather call her scum and then at least at the end of the game you can defend yourself by saying "oh, well, she needs to work on her town game because she was SOO scummy" and if for some reason you are right on her you get to rub it in everyone's faces because you managed to guess the "best player" here was scum and therefore you must be way better than them.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #133) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:06 am

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There is no good reasoning behind pushing Titus and the reasons to push cakez or anyone agreeing with her is that you're afraid that you're getting strongarmed. Stop playing with your emotions, sit down, and think, please.
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #134) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:27 am

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AI your paranoia is really anti town because it's keeping you from having solid reads on anyone. It's alright to be wrong, just take a stance for once. I would do a quick iso of someone if you aren't sure on them, it helps a lot.

I mean, seriously, your reason for voting me is that I have analyzed the game and have reasons for my reads instead of shooting in the dark like far too many people here.
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #135) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 1365, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Well, it's hard not be paranoid when you are surrounded by manipulative freaks.

No offense.

*shrugs*

I don't blame you. I know the feeling. That's why I regularly go back and reread to make sure my reads are mine and not in spite of some overzealous vi or an incredibly involved scum, etc. Everyone thinks they have the right answer and thus will do what they feel necessary to apply their knowledge.
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #136) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:01 pm

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In post 1457, Firebringer wrote:Cerberus, how is your day?


Why didn't you ask me how my day was?

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Post Post #1464 (isolation #137) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:09 pm

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In post 1462, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1460, Cerberus v666 wrote:Going pretty well. Busy with work, got a new female friend coming over for the first time tomorrow so gonna have to spend the evening cleaning, but that's not too bad. How about you FB?

Don't clean, it gives off a bad impression that you are a actual clean person. Don't want to fool anyone do we?

My day is decent, need to go to gym though.


I guess it depends on how long he wants to keep her around. If this is a long term thing then reasonably clean makes a good first impression and he can get slowly lazier from there. If it's a short term thing, I'd say clean well, she only needs to see what you want her too, she won't be getting to know him too well.

Actually I'm only saying things because I want to be part of the conversation, I don't have any experience in these matters.

- And being more fit just means that if there's a draft you're going to the front lines faster and you'll probably die sooner, so I wouldn't count on that. :P
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #138) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:17 pm

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In post 1465, Cerberus v666 wrote:Draft seems improbable. I'd rather have a healthy life than be deliberately unhealthy on the off chance that a draft happens.

Get experience in these matters EE, if of course that's what you want..:p

And yeah, your advice is sound, though again, just better to be clean period..:p


Suit yourself. :P

Eh, I'm not too worried about it at the time being, I join the navy in a couple months and that's not too good when it comes to matters like this anyways.

PEdit: lol fb so many applicable references, where to go from here?

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Post Post #1470 (isolation #139) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:35 pm

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In post 1469, Firebringer wrote:Drix mind getting a vote count?

Also, Eagle join me on the AI wagon. I will give you the DLC code for "Life of a Pirate"


I can look at him again, but as it stands I wouldn't even do it for a season pass
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #140) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:48 pm

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In post 1471, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1470, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I wouldn't even do it for a season pass

The season pass isn't worth it imo. So I won't even argue that point for you.


Yeah the point is I don't deal in games that deal in dlc and the like (with a few exceptions). It's a scummy thing to do and it furthers my argument against your scumminess.
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #141) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:22 pm

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So the fact that it's so hard to lynch fb should be setting off massive alarm bells for everyone here.
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #142) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:23 pm

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In post 1476, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So the fact that it's so hard to lynch fb should be setting off massive alarm bells for everyone here.

Sorry, this fact combined with the fact that a lot of people have said he looks scummy.
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #143) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 pm

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In post 1478, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Alarm bells, eh?

I have a scum lean on him...but not my #1 for sure.

Let's assume this alarm was not a bell, but a super-computer with a voice module. It would say what?


Your ancient is under attack.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #144) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:28 pm

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In post 1480, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 1476, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So the fact that it's so hard to lynch fb should be setting off massive alarm bells for everyone here.


LOL.
Meanwhile, into day 10 of trying to lynch Titus, absolutely nothing.
Stop trying to push scum's counterwagons for them you are playing absolutely horrible if you are town.

The difference between the Titus wagon and the fb wagon is that everyone who's said they read Titus as scum and a few people who read her as town have gotten paranoid on her have voted for her. With FB even people that have said he looked scummy have been hesitant to vote him. The difference is in the subtlety, but it's a massive difference.
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In post 1479, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1478, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Alarm bells, eh?

I have a scum lean on him...but not my #1 for sure.

Let's assume this alarm was not a bell, but a super-computer with a voice module. It would say what?


Your ancient is under attack.


Uh...um...

Are you a gamer? If so... LOLWUT?


I take the "if so" to mean that you get the reference and understand that firebringer needs a lynch urgently?
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #145) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:36 pm

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In post 1484, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:No...I mean LOLWUT???

As in:

Your ancient is under attack.


I don't understand what this means


Haha ok. In dota 2 you're playing with four other people against another team of five with the goal of destroying the other person's ancient before they destroy yours. It's a lot more complicated than this, some parts of the game involve turning other people into sheep and still others involve turning into snowballs and rolling into people. But there are announcers in this game and each player has their own personal announcer that tells them basic things are happening and the worst thing to hear is that "Your ancient is under attack" since it means you're about to lose the game.

TL;DR: "Your ancient is under attack" means you're going to lose the game if you don't do something about the army destroying your capital city
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #146) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:38 pm

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I am sooooo confused as to why people think I'm so bad. Could someone explain this to me, or is it merely because people disagree strongly with my reads? I honestly think this has been one of my best town games yet.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #147) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:38 pm

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Viva I thought you agreed to quiet down with the trash you spam the thread with.
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #148) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:41 pm

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In post 1492, Viva La Gloria wrote:
In post 1490, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Viva I thought you agreed to quiet down with the trash you spam the thread with.


When you see the Titus flip if I'm still alive and you fight me on another lynch I'm going to vote you and refuse to unvote for the rest of the game.

I'm shaking in my custom baby seal leather boots.

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Post Post #1497 (isolation #149) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:49 pm

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In post 1495, Viva La Gloria wrote:Going back to not reading anything you post.


I'd like you to start asking yourself a question before you post, I think it will drastically improve your posting, and that is this: "What am I accomplishing by posting this?" For example, this last post-what good does it do to tell me this? I mean, even imagining I cared whether or not you read my posts, what good does it tell me? Is the goal to hurt my feelings? That's quite the jerk move on your part? Is the goal to help me understand why you're not responding to me? That doesn't make sense, I could easily reason that for myself.
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #150) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:52 am

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Three days left, good. I'm going to analyze cakes today and then try to get to yonom as well. Tomorrow or the day after I'll see if I can sniff out some maybe teams.
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #151) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:18 am

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In post 1508, Viva La Gloria wrote:I'm a warrior.
I will fight until I get night killed when scum realize they have no chance against me.
I will fight for the lynches I need to win this game.
I don't care how hard scum will bloc together, I will fight them and I will get one scum down before I get killed in return.
That's how mafia goes, and I will play it to the maximum.


You mean you'll whine and complain until you get you want? War is not a temper tantrum, no matter what you tell yourself
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #152) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:49 pm

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In post 1518, Karnage wrote:
In post 1517, Firebringer wrote:I want to lynch Karnage just for that horrible avatar, is that a good enough reason?

is this better?


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Post Post #1522 (isolation #153) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:54 pm

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In post 1521, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1520, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Compromising values for self preservation! Scum!

The meta on that has changed its now a town tell.

Oh. Then we should go back to lynching you, then?
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Post Post #1527 (isolation #154) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:19 pm

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I need to check that one out, I've been meaning to try to take a break from dota. It looks pretty cool.
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #155) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:43 am

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I had a weird dream last night and all I can remember is Titus, a knife, and the color red. This means at least one of four things:
1. Titus is scum and has the blood of droog on her hands
2. Titus kills scum and will have their blood on her hands
3. Titus is town and will die tonight
4. I have weird dreams that have no relation to the game at all.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #156) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:46 am

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Yep. I'm an odd night lynch proof cop that gets their results with a linked image and a color and results show something that has happened, could happen, or is happening right now.
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #157) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:38 am

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In post 1475, Drixx wrote:
Vote Count 2.6AlwaysInnocent {1} - Firebringer
Cerberus v666 {0} -
Viva La Gloria {0} -
Titus
,
Extrapolated Eagle

KickAssAndGiggle {0} -
Karnage

pistachi0n {0} -
TheCow

Firebringer {4} -
Extrapolated Eagle
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AlwaysInnocent
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SirCakez {1} - KickAssAndGiggle,
Viva La Gloria

TheCow {0} -
SirCakez
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Titus
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AlwaysInnocent
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Titus
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KickAssAndGiggle

Titus {4} -
AlwaysInnocent
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Viva La Glora
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Firebringer
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TheCow
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Viva La Gloria
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AlwaysInnocent
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AlwaysInnocent
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Extrapolated Eagle {0} -
Viva La Gloria
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AlwaysInnocent
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TheCow

Karnage {0} -

Not Voting (1): Cerberus v666

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or No Lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2016-02-09 18:00:00) from now, or February 9th, 6:00 PM Eastern (GMT-5).


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Vote Count 2.6AlwaysInnocent {1} - Firebringer
Cerberus v666 {0} -
Viva La Gloria {0} -
KickAssAndGiggle {0} -
pistachi0n {0} -
Firebringer {4} - Extrapolated Eagle, Titus, SirCakez, Karnage
SirCakez {1} - KickAssAndGiggle
TheCow {0} -
Titus {4} - pistachi0n, TheCow, AlwaysInnocent, Viva La Gloria
Extrapolated Eagle {0} -
Karnage {0} -

Not Voting (1): Cerberus v666

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or No Lynch.


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Post Post #1542 (isolation #158) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:19 am

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@thecow, this is my case on fb from a while ago
In post 1128, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:in case everyone forgot all the reasons firebringer is a good lynch, here's every post made by his predecessor, oh and btw, all but one is scummy/scum motivated:
In post 19, Yonom wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're trying too hard to jump into conclusions.

In post 20, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 18, Titus wrote:
In post 17, RhazhBash wrote:Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.


I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're wrong. Discuss.

Seriously I'm still in D1 shenanigans mode why are you looking into this?

Echoes post above it. Which means he waits until town doesn't it so that if someone jumps on him he can jump on someone else for it and say "they did it first"
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

In post 24, RhazhBash wrote:SS how exactly are you coming to that conclusion?

Echoes again
In post 27, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 25, Something_Smart wrote:Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.
In post 22, SirCakez wrote:Vote on SS is now serious.

Interesting. Explain?

It definitely didn't sound like a joke. Now I feel like you're trying to cover your ass.

More echoes

Also note how both of these players thought it was ridiculous for Titus to call them out as scum, but one jumped on Titus for being ridiculous about both and the other one jumped on the first because she was right about one.

Why would razh get on ss for thinking Titus was ridiculous if he thought the same thing like his first post shows?

I can't help but think that razh is thinking"if I turn on ss and he flips town then both of us are cleared, right?"
In post 36, RhazhBash wrote:I don't like how Phantom tries to force his playstyle and not let it come naturally, but that isn't necessarily alignment indicative either. Besides it's best to not tell the Mafia what they can and can't get away with.

Changes the subject and tries to distract from the attention on him and ss
In post 114, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

I'm sorry I'm more used to a different site where the meta isn't to vote whoever you push. Speaking of I'd like to see if there actually are any associative tells against me in 3 pages, because I sure as hell don't see them.

It's been pages and the only thing he responds to is the vote on him? And what's this about associative tells?
In post 193, RhazhBash wrote:I'm about to reread the thread and look more into a few people's ISOs, but just a quick note. I've played enough games with SirCakez to say this. If Cakez is playing like Town, he's scum. If he's playing like garbage, he's Town. Believe me on this I've seen him play amazing as scum and terribad at Town.

Giving thoughts can be towny ish except this post also shows that he isn't caught up since instead of sharing his read on cakez, he tells everyone else how their read is wrong. No risk for him because he's not sharing his read
In post 203, RhazhBash wrote:VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

Defensive and what? I don't get this post. Still only responding to pressure against him.

Also votes to distract from ss wagon, he's avoiding it for some reason, maybe to get out of vca easier or there's too much scum on it already
In post 207, RhazhBash wrote:SS how many times are you gonna say you weren't serious after you get called out on something?

Confirms that he's still scum reading ss while pushing a counter wagon
In post 211, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 28, Something_Smart wrote:So you think I'm dumb enough to pull out a serious associative tell on page 1.
Noted.

In post 57, Something_Smart wrote:Cause it was a joke
Relax, titus

In post 205, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 197, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 196, Something_Smart wrote:I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.
I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:
In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".

I'm sorry I don't have your magical ability to discern town from scum on page 3, but for me anyway scumreads that early can only be so serious.

More of the above
In post 274, RhazhBash wrote:
In post 269, pistachi0n wrote:Rhazh: You were saying earlier that you're townreading Cakez based on meta. Can you link me to some games that will illustrate your point?

http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 17&t=34298

Catching up rn.

Says catching up never does
In post 276, RhazhBash wrote:SirCakez is clearly Town. Ignoring my "he plays bad as Town joke", he normally tries to hide in the background and give much weaker opinions. I can tell here that he's actually scumhunting and not faking it for Town cred. Also AI your reads list is bad.

Good for sharing a single actual read. This is probably his town post
In post 485, Drixx wrote:
Firebringer replaces RhazhBash.

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Post Post #1549 (isolation #159) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:44 am

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Confidence is the word I believe you're looking for. Overconfidence, perhaps.
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #160) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:46 am

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Stupidity, even. Blindness. Blatant ignorance. It's quite possible I'm completely wrong on Titus and you're right, and looking at the way the counter wagon formed on fb does make me nervous about them if I'm wrong on fb.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #161) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:50 am

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That's a perfectly acceptable feeling to have. I want to punch me too, sometimes. Actually a lot of the time.
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #162) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:24 am

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Show town motivation in razh's posts, please, cerb.
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #163) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:45 am

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I think he's talking about how you said my logic sucks and then didn't provide any examples
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #164) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:35 pm

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I'm pretty confident in firebringer as scum, and looking back over things, less confident in viva as town
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Post Post #1593 (isolation #165) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:30 pm

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In post 1592, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1591, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:You're at L-1 because I put you there. Until this little posting spate, you were. You dolt.

Even if you put me at L-2. L-2 is not "flying under the radar" person flying under the radar is Pistachion.

Funny how you didn't bring them up as an alternat lynch, isn't it?
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #166) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:55 pm

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@fb do you think your predecessor was scummy?
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #167) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:56 pm

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Dang, I almost got that page top, I should have rushed to the submit button instead of actually reading your posts in PEdit, Drixx


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Post Post #1604 (isolation #168) » Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:43 pm

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@Drixx I know, I was kidding. Pagetops are actually often undesirable(for me) as a player since you lose the above posts for context
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #169) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:05 am

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Alright newbie 1674 ended and based on karnages far more active and involved as well as aggressive play in that I'm going to say it's more likely he's scum
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #170) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:17 pm

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I like the fact the game seems to be going stale, since in my mind it means that it's on scum and they're waiting it out to see if they have to hammer. For this reason I much prefer fire to karnage today.
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #171) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:26 pm

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I don't like the idea of flash wagoning right now. Especially since so many people are talking about it. I think we have scum here. I think we press through. And Titus it's scaring me that you're talking flash wagons right now.
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #172) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:41 pm

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@Titus in Newbie 1674 He was significantly more aggressive, his catch up post involved a fake-hammer in an attempt to get reactions, he posted reads lists, had a high post count, relatively kept people up to date with reads, etc, and he was quick to tunnel to try to sort people.

He was town that game.
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #173) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:41 pm

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In post 1607, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Alright newbie 1674 ended and based on karnages far more active and involved as well as aggressive play in that I'm going to say it's more likely he's scum


I was saying he did these things as town.
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #174) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:00 pm

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In post 1630, Titus wrote:Ohh I misunderstood context there. Does this effect hold up if he's scum over multiple games? A sample size of one is meh...worth looking into.


I don't know, I'll take a look in a minute.
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #175) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:27 am

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VOTE: Viva

How experienced are you with mafia?
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Post Post #1662 (isolation #176) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:32 am

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It won't get to lylo, viva is scum
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #177) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:55 am

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In post 7, NotAnAlt wrote:I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?

In post 141, NotAnAlt wrote:
In post 14, Cerberus v666 wrote:Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.
I really don't. That question, when taken with context, was meant to be leading, if that's what you're referring to, but it's a feature, not a bug.

In post 16, Titus wrote:NotanAlt, Strategy is wholly dependant on the board at the time. It's the abnormal strategies that catch scum. So, with all due respect, stop theory speccing. It's a waste of space in the thread and vote.
You know, you said this, but as far as I can tell, you thought SS was scum at the time for a post he'd made in response to mine. Like, here was your next post. Only one post was made in-between and it wasn't by SS. Unless "To say hi, I am not you're IC anymore." was meant to be reasoning for a serious vote, you were voting him for this post, right?

Anyway, skipping ahead because I read the entire game before starting this post, how confident are you actually that you'd caught multiple scum by the end of page 1?


SirCakez wagon is really ugly.


In post 130, Something_Smart wrote:1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.
Curious about these two
1. What prompted you to notice that it was 3 of the newest 4 players?
2. When I asked you what you thought about scum bussing in this game, you linked the white flag gambit article and said that bussing was a realistic possibility. What makes you think that 3 scum piling onto the same wagon at the beginning of day 1 is so much less likely than bussing that it's not even worth considering?

In post 169, NotAnAlt wrote:
In post 144, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 141, NotAnAlt wrote:SirCakez wagon is really ugly.
Lurkers commenting on the ugliness of small wagons. It only makes me more confident that at least one of you is scum.
Oh I'm sorry, I guess I should have checked to make sure I'd surpassed the minimum-number-of-posts-required-within-the-first-24-hours-of-the-game-before-I-can-have-an-opinion threshold before posting that!


In post 142, Something_Smart wrote:1. Nothing. I just noticed it.
Not really what I was looking for here. Were you aware of how new everyone was before Titus voted them? Did you look at the players after she voted them? What was your motivation for pointing it out or did it not mean anything?


Will have more time to post in a few hours. Don't lynch SS while I'm gone.

Wait. I might have gotten NAA and yonom mixed up again.
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #178) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:15 am

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I'm ok with lynching cakez
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #179) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 6, Titus wrote:VOTE: SS

To say hi, I am not you're IC anymore.

Alright, Karnage is my vote today, sorry viva I got yonom confused with naa again.

VOTE: Karnage
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #180) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:12 am

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That quote was there because I meant to ask if the hard push on Titus was due to her poor grammar there and to make some snarky remark that in hindsight wasn't worth making
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #181) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:13 am

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I have a theory that viva and cerb are the scum buddies but I'm not as sure about them so I'm sticking with Karnage.
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #182) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:13 am

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I'm suspicious of cakez before In suspicious of Titus
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #183) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:27 am

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In post 1683, Cerberus v666 wrote:EE, you're the one with the meta case on Karnage yes? Did you find any other evidence of it beyond the one game you're referring to?

Yes. He has had a high post count as town. But metaphor isn't the big reason for my scum read.

His predecessor was scummy (Not An Alt) and he posted barely at all in this game while he posted aggressively in the other game we were playing in, ignoring this game completely. He comments on the game instead of participating in it and he appeared recently just to defend himself
In post 1684, Viva La Gloria wrote:Hey, Sircakez, EE?
You were on both mislynches.
If either of you is town and trying to fuck me over here then you can eat metal.
We're lynching Titus. We can lynch Yonom after.
Don't ask me to change my votes. I won't.

I haven't asked you to and I don't expect you to. I respect your resilience.
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Post Post #1693 (isolation #184) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:29 am

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I'm not lynching Titus
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #185) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:35 am

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K. Yonom was scummIER than NAA. I swapped them all the time in my mind because they have similar play, imo. I'm just going to refer to as Karnage predecessor and viva predecessor lol
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #186) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:38 am

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Yeah cakez has been weird today. I'm good with lynching him or Karnage
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #187) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:41 am

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In post 1702, SirCakez wrote:If we do lynch Titus Karnage has to go tomorrow for sure though.

This is the stuff I'm talking about. It's so nasty. I almost want you over Karnage
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Post Post #1704 (isolation #188) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:42 am

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I'm going to admit my reads have been terrible all game, but screw me if I'm going to give up on them now
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #189) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:44 am

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You know what? I'm an idiot. Bye cakez.

VOTE: sircakez

If you need reasons, just look at the nightkills and sircakez attitude towards today
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #190) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:46 am

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Droog vote on cakez nkd
KAAG says maybe droog was killed because he had scum read on cakez, nkd
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #191) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:49 am

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Yeah you're right. That's why kaag (scum) brought it up yesterday and then was nkd for it and no one has brought it up today at all. No one is even suspicious of you. That's sum excellent subtle framing right there.
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #192) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:50 am

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In post 1710, SirCakez wrote:^ this has to be scum.

Glad you pointed that out for us as well as your fourty five other scumspects none of which you're quite sure about but all of which you're willing to lynch
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #193) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:52 am

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Thanks for lining up those lynches for us as well, cakez. From someone who isn't sure where to go to the point at which they're going to sheep other players that they disagreed with yesterday, this is helpful.
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #194) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 1720, Titus wrote:I think Cerb and Cow need to do things.

I think you need to be on the cakes lynch today so you can be cleared tomorrow
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #195) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:19 pm

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In post 1722, SirCakez wrote:I think we need to actually lynch scum today.

You planning on self voting?
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #196) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:20 pm

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Titus he's kind of like elyse. Yes hid and echoed all game. Both nks condemn the him. He has already contradicted himself at least three times today. Give me a reason cakes is town or vote him, please.
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #197) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:21 pm

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In post 1725, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Titus he's kind of like elyse. Yes hid and echoed all game. Both nks condemn the him. He has already contradicted himself at least three times today. Give me a reason cakes is town or vote him, please.

This goes for anyone not voting cakez
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #198) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:26 pm

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In post 1729, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1721, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 1720, Titus wrote:I think Cerb and Cow need to do things.

I think you need to be on the cakes lynch today so you can be cleared tomorrow


Because cakez flipping scum clears her...how? I think she's town for my own reasons, but this argument is weak.

Titus: You're right, I need to do more. I was super busy with life and <ongoing> while the end of the day approached for last day phase, but I expect I'll have a good bit of free time through this weekend.


Titus doesn't bus. She never has and never will. She's had her scum buddy bus her before because she wouldn't bus otherwise
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #199) » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:46 pm

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VOTE: Cakez

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