Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)
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Why would that be?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 37, Aeronaut wrote:Why do we exist
All the world's a stage...
In post 29, pisskop wrote:In post 27, oddmusic wrote:Okay, fine. If it's not an RVS vote, why do you think it's being made?
Chances are that IL's terrible RVS vote reasoning did that.
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For my part, I don't see how this post (#17) was intended to drive forward discussion at all, and I think the thread had advanced to a point where making such a post was possible.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 43, InsidiousLemons wrote:Point out to me one post before #17 that could possibly produce anything of substance. From what I see, there were a few random votes, an introduction, and a "reaction test" mod vote that did nothing.
Something could have been made of my revote for Aeronaut or Mykonian's introduction. Alternatively you could have made a more interesting RVS to provoke discussion (a third vote for eektor would have done the trick, I expect.)We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 45, InsidiousLemons wrote:...
In post 44, Aquanim wrote:
Something could have been made of my revote for Aeronautor Mykonian's introduction. Alternatively you could have made a more interesting RVS to provoke discussion (a third vote for eektor would have done the trick, I expect.)
Care to explain that, by the way, now you've brought it up?
Not particularly, except to say that I didn't do it just for amusement's sake.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 49, Elyse wrote:Let me guess...you did it for reactions?
I find that these kinds of "reaction tests" during RVS on page 1 are often meaningless and an easy way for scum to gain town cred.
That doesn't sound like a positive reason to call it "SCUMMY" to me, merely that it is not a good reason to call someone town. Can you explain further why you think it is the former, as opposed to the latter?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 53, Elyse wrote:You seem smart enough to realize that early reaction tests are meaningless, so it would make more sense for you to have ulterior motives.
However, I didn't know that then. I mostly said SCUMMY in all caps as an exaggeration since it's page 1. But yeah you do seem pretty smart and if you acknowledge that it makes sense to call someone either not town or scum based on what you did, then I think my vote is in the right place at the moment.
I might call my play a "reaction test", though not in the same pejorative sense you mean it. (Which is to say, I wasn't setting some ridiculous and meaningless trap for anyone.) I'm reasonably satisfied with having induced the beginnings of alignment-relative discussion before the end of page 1 by doing something controversial.
I'm also okay with taking care of your vote until (if and when) you have somewhere better to put it.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 65, Taly wrote:...
Um... I was the third vote on eektor? I was just adding onto a pressure bandwagoning to get more elaborate responses from people.
Since eektor hasn't really done anything worthy of concern, and some people here have made their presenceblatant.
UNVOTE: eektor
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Who are you referring to as "blatant"... for that matter, what do you mean by the word?
(Don't worry about hurting my feelings, if your answer swings in that direction.)
If you've decided eektor is no longer worthy of your vote, I'd like to know who you think is.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 62, Metalcyanide wrote:...
In post 61, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think he is gauging for reactions, but I can see people may think this.
Anyway, I associate the word 'eek'-tor to scream, and scream to fear, and fear to mafia because mafia wants you to be afraid because they can kill you. - Conspiracy theory.
VOTE: eektor
ANYWAYS, hi everyone. Looking forward to this game, and hi odd. Seems like we are both in two games together.
specifically the first line is both overexplaining and noncommittal, both things I consider scummy.
I like this, but I have some issues with it as well. Need to see some more real talk before I know how I feel about it.
Two questions:
1) Which of the posts are you referring to, Taly's (the inside one with the vote for eektor) or RadiantCowbells'?
2) What are the issues which you have?
In post 71, Metalcyanide wrote:...
How does a vote and retraction take away from a reaction test. If I say so I've gotten a couple good reactions. Like putting someone at L-1 when another person is counter claiming a cop role.
Hard scum read on InsidiousLemons, but not a target right now I want to hear from TheDude about the counter claim and more from mykonian
Also, is there a list of the roles in this game I can't seem to find it.
Are you saying that that late RVS vote and unvote was a deliberate and pre-planned reaction test?
Can you explain your "hard scum read" on InsidiousLemons to me? Is it only based on his attacking you?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 118, Metalcyanide wrote:I'm going to hold it against you but lets see how everything else goes.
For now time to get more information out of others.
Who in particular do you want to get more information out of and why?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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@Taly: I believe that stating how many games you are in and that they are all in day 1 is acceptable (I mean, they are verifiable facts after all) but don't say anything more about ongoing games. (You probably know this already but I think it's best to be explicit.)
In the light of his #121 what is your read on toolenduso?
@InsidiousLemons: I'm presently voting you; would you like to make an argument as to where my vote would be better placed?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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Hey dude.
Spoiler:
In post 134, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 67, eektor wrote:
Is this supposed to be an RVS vote?
Well we are out of RVS so I'm going to unvote
UNVOTE:
Nope. but are you telling me that you know he's town?
Are you telling me that you think he's scum?
In post 135, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 90, Elyse wrote:After two people told metalcyanide to stop bringing us back to RVS, why would you slap down an RVS vote?
I think the whole "bringing us back to RVS" business is bogus. I mean the game is going to progress regardless.
I agree with you up to a point, but why didn't you contribute to progressing the game at that stage?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 140, TheDudeAbides wrote:...
In post 139, Aquanim wrote:why didn't you contribute to progressing the game at that stage?
I'd only skimmed the thread and I decided that I was going to do that before the game even started.
I figured.
What's your reason for townreading Metalcyanide at this point? I can't say I'm a fan of the "Time to get information from other people" into "Peace out!" transition myself though I'm prepared to give him time to make good.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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That sounds suboptimal if you're town. Feasible, but suboptimal.
I can see the others, but given his inexperience I'm not yet sold on Taly as a scumread. Would you mind explaining what you're seeing?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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I see where y'all be coming from on the Oddmusic tone read but I'm not quite sold. So far as I can tell Oddmusic has no completed games onsite so a bit of timidity is not entirely unexpected. (I'm not saying it makes him town, I'm saying it's believable from town.) RadiantCowbells' #154 and #155 were quite belligerent, and on that grounds I can kind of understand why oddmusic might have "overreacted" in #156. Considering that RadiantCowbells had likened Oddmusic's previous posting to a scumclaim I don't think #156 was a strawman at all.
In post 164, InsidiousLemons wrote:And could you be trying any harder to come up with random reasons to scumread me?
You voted me, which theoretically means that you think I'm scum, but when I vote you back your first response is that I'm "coming up with random reasons to scumread" you, not that I'm defensive scum which implies that you think I'm town, but you have me voted which means otherwise.
This forms a contradiction.
.*. Music is scum. QED
I have a feeling this is improper wording more than anything. A scumread doesn't necessarily come from town, it could be a fake scumread. This is a bad point IMO.
In particular, I agree with this. "Coming up with random reasons to scumread" someone definitely reads to me as something I could and would say about a scum.
All in all I feel like RadiantCowbells in particular is reaching a bit to try to consolidate this read.
I prefer Aeronaut as a wagon and as a lynch, on the grounds that in ten posts so far he's done just about nothing.
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In post 174, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're completely missing my point. It could come from scum but it's not something that's inherently scummy, and as music voted me and therefore considers me scum it seems improbable that their response would be so ambivalent as to whether I would be town or not.
Not everybody feels the need to scream that their target is scum with every post they make. For that matter, claiming that you're making up reasons to scumread him (I have paraphrased here, but it's a believable interpretation of his words IMO) doesn't indicate that he thinks you're town by any means.
I'm ambivalent as to your alignment and nevertheless think that your points against him are far less conclusive than you've claimed.
(For the record that leaves me with three possibilities: 1) you're town and believe them anyway, 2) you're town and overemphasising to get the game going, or 3) you're scum and pushing something which you inherently don't believe.)
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I'm going to assume you're talking about me despite your mangling of my name - is this for any actual reason besides that I disagree with you?
Don't think I haven't noticed your Oddmusic vote was an OMGUS, either.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 196, RadiantCowbells wrote:Because you're the kind of player who makes sure town loses, regardless of faction.
Consider it a policy lynch.
I've never lost a town game on this site, and I've never been endgamed by scum here or elsewhere in around 8 games.
That being said, you're going to have to justify this statement. Now.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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Or the third option, in which I am contesting a scum read which I either don't fully understand or don't agree with. (Or both.)
ninja edit: I'm not super-worried about the wagon on Oddmusic; it's a thing to be discussed (one of the few serious wagons to date) and I'm questioning your reasoning and motivations so as to discern your alignment.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 206, InsidiousLemons wrote:I don't really have a solid reason to think Aero's town. However, I don't have any solid reason to believe the reverse, either. There are better D1 lynches.
Unlike some of the other likely-looking wagons today, Aeronaut has played a decent amount, which means he has both experience and a meta. A brief read over his previous games indicated to me that his lacklustre contributions so far (IIRC everything game relevant he's said so far had already been said) is more consistent with his scum-game than his town-game.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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So... you're townreading me (#208), but you're voting me based on a preflip association case (#209) which assumes that I am scum? (yes, and some policy thing about me disagreeing with your case)
That doesn't make any sense. I don't know whether not making any sense makes you scum, unfortunately.
With respect to #207: I am indeed not townreading or scumreading Oddmusic. I am scumreading Aeronaut. Therefore, I'd much prefer to see votes on Aeronaut as opposed to Oddmusic.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 216, RadiantCowbells wrote:With respect to #207: I am indeed not townreading or scumreading Oddmusic. I am scumreading Aeronaut. Therefore, I'd much prefer to see votes on Aeronaut as opposed to Oddmusic
Okay, now you're firmly in my scumpile.
Thanks for clarifying.
#172 makes it very clear that you consider Oddmusic town, which didn't fit into the rest of your reads and caused my confusion. Now that you've clarified that you claim to townread him, I can rest easy knowing you're scum.
On the contrary. #172 made it very clear that I didn't think much of the arguments thus far raised that Oddmusic was scum. That's not the same thing as positively thinking he's town.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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Well, I just told you what I believed at the time I wrote #172, and the honest opinion which I attempted to convey. If you don't believe that, then I don't think there's any point in my discussing this further.
In post 220, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've seen games compromised by replacers talking about their reads and play so I'll wait to discuss this with your replacement.
I thought you scumread that person? You are talking to them like they're town.
Speaking to people as if they're scum doesn't generally get me a courteous and useful response.
I once ran a game in which a scum player "confirmed" themselves as town with statements after they publicly requested replacement. It was a gnarly problem to deal with and I'd not like to see it repeated whatever Aero's alignment.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 222, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh, that's not the way you're talking though.
You say one thing but claim you mean another but I think you're just scum.
You're entitled to express your opinion, I suppose.
If anyone would like to discuss my play further, go ahead; if not, we might as well discuss someone else. Having had the rug pulled out from under my thoughts on Aeronaut...
- I'd like someone besides RC to try to sell this Oddmusic case to me
- I don't like the... for lack of a better word, the superficiality of eektor's posts. The posts below are what I consider his most meaningful contributions so far; they all read like lists of "A happened, then B happened, then C happened..." rather than trying to understand the mentality of other players. I have not yet looked at his meta to see whether this is simply characteristic of him - but my vote is kind of pointless where it is at present, so:
UNVOTE: Aeronaut
VOTE: eektor
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In post 227, RadiantCowbells wrote:You just jumped from
1) A lurker.
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2) The person who the town player who has been strongest is already on.
These are rather safe picks, no?
I'm voting for the people I consider likely to flip scum, and who I think I can accomplish something by voting.
I'm really not sure why you keep choosing to address these comments to me, either. What do you think you're accomplishing?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 229, RadiantCowbells wrote:who I think I can accomplish something by voting.
How does this pool differ from the first pool?
I'm still leaning slightly scum on the Aeronaut slot, but voting and trying to discuss a slot currently being replaced is a waste of my time.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 233, toolenduso wrote:Just did ISO reads. Myko looks town because of this post:
In post 143, mykonian wrote:I think I'm voting someone town.
This seems pretty slender to hang a townread on. Not sure I understand what you're getting at, but given your respective joindates I suspect you have much more experience with Mykonian than I do, so I suppose it's quite possible you see something meaningful here I don't.
OddMusic looks pretty bad IMO. #156 was an overreaction out of nowhere and some of the reactions to the wagon against him kind of look like scum bussing/distancing when they're caught off guard by momentum building against a partner.
I assume this means you don't think RC's posts preceding #156 comparing Oddmusic's posts to a scumclaim were provocative, since you'd have to think that to think #156 was an "overreaction out of nowhere".
Which of the reactions in particular to Oddmusic's wagon strike you as scummy? The only reaction I remember being significantly discussed was mine...
RC also looks pretty bad, mostly for the way he handled the OddMusic/Aquanim thing. He pushes OM with conviction, then drops it to advocate for a policy lynch on Aquanim (which is itself a weird thing to do this early on D1), then finds a reason to scumread Aquanim later on.
...which makes your scumread on RC for pursuing that angle rather strange.
Taly looks just as bad upon re-reading his slot. Myko makes a good point about the wording of #176, and I also don't like this post:
In post 31, Taly wrote:But about Aquanim, I kind of agree with this, at least until Elyse goes into depth about why Aquanims behavior was scummy. Which was why my previous vote for Eektor was over RVS. (Since I still thought seriousness for discussion was still being founded.)
It looks like a half-stance he can use to change his mind later.
It doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me for a townie to keep their options open in expectation of new data, especially halfway down page 2. I for one do not have much of an opinion about a fair few of the players in this game even now since I think I lack sufficient data to make a decent read.
Then again, I don't go around proclaiming that about specific players without a good reason. I like the argument of "why bother posting this non-opinion at all" a fair bit better, though it is a thing where a new town player might not know any better.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 252, oddmusic wrote:Oh RC's definitely trying to link me and Aqua. That doesn't really explain the vote switch to me at least. The best I've got for that is this:
In post 209, RadiantCowbells wrote:Especially since a scumflip on Music wouldn't say much about you but a scumflip on you would say a hell of a lot about music.
(You is Aqua is this case)
So if Aqua flips scum, I'm more likely to be scum because…Aqua chose to go after RC for voting me? That make no sense, at least to me.
The logical conclusion is that RadiantCowbells thinks that if I were scum, I would not choose to defend you in that way if you were town.
Alternately, if you were known to be scum, then that would not help to distinguish between an incorrect town Aquanim and a scumbuddy Aquanim. Which does rather lead me to question the entire basis of the associative case, but anyway...
The first part is not an entirely unreasonable conclusion but it does not seem like it should be a good enough reason to lynch a town-null read over a scum read.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 253, Metalcyanide wrote:
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Aquanim- Thank you for giving me time to make good on me getting info, I know some people don't have patience in these games. So how do you feel about lurkers / low post counters?
I rather wish they'd make more posts, mostly.
My argument against Aeronaut has been somewhat misrepresented as a lurker lynch; on the contrary, in the time period where Aeronaut was actively posting a fair few people made less posts than him. My concern is that with his dozen-odd posts he didn't say anything I considered useful, genuinely inquisitive or interesting.
The only game relevant observations or questions I can find from him are in #85, which is an obvious observation and a blindingly obvious question (which had in fact already been asked and answered).
His intransigence when InsidiousLemons asked him to put his vote somewhere useful (in #87 and #91) could be argued to be town indications (something along the lines of "scum want to fit in") but that argument does not convince me.
Also where are you on Odd right now, is he closer to town or scum to you?
Vaguely scummy. The whole "woe is me, I can't come to grips with this game" is pretty classically scummy, but I don't feel it's conclusive (in that new townies could possibly feel that way too). I don't like the argument about his overreaction to pressure, for reasons previously stated (namely I don't think it's all that much of an overreaction to RC's preceding posts). RC's final point about Oddmusic's choice of words at the end of #156 is not good either.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 250, oddmusic wrote:RC's switching from me, someone she (?) supposedly had a strong scumread on, to aquanim as a policy lynch, even though I gave my wagon plenty of momentum, is giving me confidence in my vote…finally. Though I do like her posting waffles in response to me. It's a pretty fair assessment of my play to that point in the game, and I like waffles. They're tasty.
Taly and Aquanim both rushed to my defense. Could be scum buddying. Could also be town trying to stop what they think is a bad wagon.
With that in mind, could somebody explain to me the scumcase on Taly and/or Aquanim? Doesn't matter who, just want something concrete to work with.
Ugggggh... this post gives me the heebie jeebies.
I'm not sure whether the digression about waffles reflects an unconcerned and relaxed townie, or a scum trying to bulk up their posting with irrelevancies.
I don't like that he's come to no conclusions on his own about Taly and myself, but the case on Taly is indeed not particularly coherent and RC's points against me aren't all that impressive.
I guess it all boils down to "Has oddmusic legitimately been lost in this game as a townie, or is he scum?". Considering there haven't been many well-defined wagons or leaders in this game thus far the former is not totally unbelieveable... but nor is it obviously justified, the game hasn't been all THAT impenetrable.
If everything was obvious the game would be easy, I suppose. Does anyone have a read or a point about oddmusic that has less to do with with his purported difficulty in getting into this game? (I'm not even sure if that question makes sense, since it's rather defined his play so far. But whatever.)We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 278, eektor wrote:RC - I think the push she did on Aquanim was bad. Some of the points did not make sense. After completing a game with her when she was an IC, this push seems normal play for her. I did like how she was the first to point out that Aquanim's defending oddmusic. She is possibly town for now.
Fair enough I suppose, but this doesn't seem like a new opinion to me.
Aquanim - Aquanim's defense of oddmusic makes him look like a good scum buddy for oddmusic. When the wagon started building on oddmusic, he tried to start a counterwagon on a lurker slot. Then when that fell apart he changed his vote to me which was the biggest counterwagon at that time.
Posting about oddmusic isn't the only thing I've done this game.
Taly - I really don't like his posts. He seems to care more about what others think of him than trying to figure this game out. His posts looks scummy to me but I'm trying to figure out whether he is a newb townie or a newb scummy, because I checked his games and he has no completed games on site.
The second sentence is essentially a rephrasing of what Elyse has been saying for a while (and also not very difficult to see). The third sentence is more-or-less my opinion but (like mine at this stage) it's pretty superficial.
Elyse - I'm leaning town. She's engaging most players, trying to find motivations.
This is a rather obvious read.
In short, I'm not impressed by this post. So far as I can see it's largely reads which have already been expressed by other people, and not expanded in any interesting ways. Vote stands for now.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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With respect to Taly I'll get around to reading him properly sooner or later. I've been putting it off until my weekend because it's going to be work. My feel read so far is that Taly is town, and trying to help; that means one of two things:
1) I'm wrong, and I'm going to have difficulty convincing myself of that
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In post 288, Taly wrote:...
Seeing that RC is still at the top of my scum list, I thought I'd just vote against her to see if I can get info. (Also because I think her play has been manipulative to some degree.)
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What do you mean by "manipulative", and what about RadiantCowbells' posting makes you think that?
Do you think it's scum-indicative on RC, or do you just want to lynch her for it regardless of alignment?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 292, InsidiousLemons wrote:
eektor: Mixed feelings. Aqua makes a somewhat solid case about superficiality but he's been posting alright since then and I think I like him a little. I don't really know what to make of him overall though, I think I'm going to withhold judgement for a while.
Verdict: Null. No significant lean. Convince me, if anyone would like to try.
Which posts that eektor has made since then do you classify as "alright"? This is a serious question - I don't see any. There's some not-spectacular reply to a post by Elyse and #278 which largely reads like rather basic reads already expressed by other people.
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In post 298, pisskop wrote:In post 255, Aquanim wrote:My argument against Aeronaut has been somewhat misrepresented as a lurker lynch; on the contrary, in the time period where Aeronaut was actively posting a fair few people made less posts than him. My concern is that with his dozen-odd posts he didn't say anything I considered useful, genuinely inquisitive or interesting.
Who portrayed your arguement against Aero in such a fashion?
Aeronaut himself:
In post 213, Aeronaut wrote:And before I go, just reading the last page, please lynch Aqua for trying to lynch a lurker slot 9 pages into the game.
Also RadiantCowbells:
In post 227, RadiantCowbells wrote:You just jumped from
1) A lurker.
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2) The person who the town player who has been strongest is already on.
These are rather safe picks, no?
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In post 299, InsidiousLemons wrote:In post 201, Aquanim wrote: In the meantime, does anyone have any reason to think Aeronaut's town? If you do, I'd like to discuss it.
In hindsight I probably should've @'d him considering my post was five after this but whatever
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EBWOP
@Pisskop: if you consider Taly's #239 inherently lynchable in as of itself why is he not in your top three scumreads?
Preliminary thought on TheDudeAbides is that he hasn't done anything I consider particularly questionable so far but he's skating by without having contributed a whole lot. Could certainly be scum but I don't have positive reason to believe it yet. If you have a reason beyond him lurking I'd like to see it.We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In fairness, eektor had previously mentioned Mini 1642 in passing in #278, and I imagine that's why RC brought it up.
(Though I was not in said game I was vaguely familiar with it before signing up to this game, and knowing about that game has indeed coloured my opinion of RC's town play. I laughed when I read #196, under the circumstances.)We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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In post 313, RadiantCowbells wrote:Aqua, what exactly do you think you've done for town this game?
Generated information, so far. Eventually I'll find something which convinces me someone is mafia, and then I'll push for their lynch.
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In post 323, RadiantCowbells wrote:I built cases on two people.
There are two major wagons today on those two people.
Anything else?
No, no. Elyse pushed the case on Taly. You sheeped on.
The "cases" you made against myself and Oddmusic are going... nowhere.
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In post 324, RadiantCowbells wrote:Anyway I'm tired of this.
if it suits you, continue criticizing me because of my play in a game we're not even playing.
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In post 326, RadiantCowbells wrote:On you? you're not even necessarily a scumread, I just dislike you.
Oddmusic will happen as soon as I'm done with Taly. don't worry your pretty little head about it.
In post 222, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh, that's not the way you're talking though.
You say one thing but claim you mean another but I think you're just scum.
In post 216, RadiantCowbells wrote:With respect to #207: I am indeed not townreading or scumreading Oddmusic. I am scumreading Aeronaut. Therefore, I'd much prefer to see votes on Aeronaut as opposed to Oddmusic
Okay, now you're firmly in my scumpile.
Thanks for clarifying.
#172 makes it very clear that you consider Oddmusic town, which didn't fit into the rest of your reads and caused my confusion. Now that you've clarified that you claim to townread him, I can rest easy knowing you're scum.
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Bored now. RadiantCowbells is inconsistent, refuses to explain reads and is generally obnoxious but given that's entirely consistent with their towngame I think I'm going to have to leave my read at "leaning town, but wouldn't mind seeing policy lynched".
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In post 344, Elyse wrote:I don't like the interaction between Aqua and RC. It seems fake.
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In post 350, mykonian wrote:Actually, I could even link you to it.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6647588
In post 181, mykonian wrote:In post 178, Taly wrote:I really don't understand how post 124 was to be seen as scum mykonian, I was openly receptive for people to ask questions
Actually, I can easily explain what's bothering me with this post, and in a similar way, post 124.
Asking people to ask you questions, esspecially at this early point of the game is a defense mechanism. Explaining what you did and why you did things tends to put people at ease. Since scum hasn't really bothered to make any moves, they haven't been in tight spots yet (hey, we just finished the RVS), this is "easy". Which is wrong with this post and post 124.
The second thing that is very wrong with this post in particular is the emphasis on "openly". This is a given when you are town. The emphasis doesn't make half as much sense when you are town (you are open anyway), but makes more sense from a scum mindset "I can still be honest about my gameplay so far, there's nothing to find".
So the way I see it, Taly is a prime candidate for scum.
I don't think this is really all that good.
At the time of #124 Taly had just been voted by toolenduso; responding to a vote with a "defence mechanism" seems entirely reasonable to me. I am perhaps biased because telling people to ask me questions about my reads and actions so as to understand them is one of my primary "defence mechanisms", as a townie. It is a thing I do when my reaction to a case is "Yes, those facts have been accurately reported; do you want to know why I did what I did as town?".
As for the second, laying emphasis on the choice of words of a player who does not appear to be particularly skilled at writing clearly, concisely and accurately (no offence ) seems rather unreliable to me.
I have two questions for you:
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At risk of stating the obvious, TheDudeAbides, I'd like to see who you think is most likely to be scum at the moment (presumably not InsidiousLemons?) and a conclusion about Taly. (The two may coincide I suppose.)
Having reread some of Taly's ISO so far my feeling remains that the towniness of his effort and candour outweighs the scumminess of his caving to pressure and overemphasis on defending himself. This read is ongoing.
Does that mean you're scumreading pisskop strongly, or just that you're of the opinion it's a waste of space?We shape ourselves, one game at a time.-
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