One question --- Does making this post actually help you in any way?In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepy
Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.
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How do you know with such little experience on this site? I mean, experience != skill, but it's kinda hard you can already read a player based off a single post being only a month on the site.In post 12, -Grey- wrote:In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepySpoiler:
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Please extend. Christmas and New Years are common holidays for pretty much everyone.In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.
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Yeah, no.In post 40, -Grey- wrote:
See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.
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In post 43, TwoFace wrote:Why? You need people to distract grey from sr'ing you?
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If it was humor, you wouldn't've made the quoted post. One joke is enough.In post 61, -Grey- wrote:
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You must not have ended up lurking in as many. I'm a high poster in active game that isn't too active.In post 66, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Dozens. Go to my wiki. There's also ones I've failed to complete.In post 65, Ircher wrote:....Gamma, you are already a JOAT?! How many games have you played?-
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I think the Gamma case is relevant right now. Now, please kindly share w/ the rest of the game as I don't see it.
Pedit: It's neutral at worse, pro-town at best. Yes, stagnation is a problem and why deadlines exist, but a bigger problem imo are deadline lynch scrambles. You never know until that point, but I'd say it's better safe than sorry.
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Sometimes that's the case, but other times, there truly is a lot to talk about and not enough time to do so. Having less time just makes the scramble occur earlier would is only marginally better at best and most if the time, neutral or even worse imo.
Pedit: Here's some stats for you: I've played 30 games recorded on my wiki page with 8 wins, 22 losses, 27% winrate. I have been town 87% of the time. (26 town, 2 scum, and 2 other). And, I am not undermining anything. Show how I am undermining the town's goal. If you are going to actively throw shade on me, please research me first and tell me if this behavior differs from other games I've played.
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In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
I liked these two posts. Grey stated his responses were humor, but I disagree - he would've stopped with his first response if it was simply humor. Continuing to call it scum posts makes people believe it is serious.In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No, that's no slip. I'm asking if "ugly" is said more by town than scum.In post 40, -Grey- wrote:
See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.
BTW people need to post here FAST.
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1) Why are you so keen on GammaIn post 12, -Grey- wrote:In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepySpoiler:
TL;DR> She posts this stuff as town. Save your RVS votes for Gamma.
2) How is this in any way indicative of alignment
My 3rd Q here was already answered.
If it were humor, there was no reason to post this follow-up after the first post.In post 40, -Grey- wrote:
See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.
Not really. And why would people vote someone outside the beginning of the game for making a single LAMIST wall?In post 58, -Grey- wrote:
As I quoted, she made the same kind of post on another game she played where she was town.In post 54, Ircher wrote:How do you know with such little experience on this site? I mean, experience != skill, but it's kinda hard you can already read a player based off a single post being only a month on the site.
It was not posted as proof of her alignment, just to stop paranoid players from wasting time voting her over that wall because it's NAI.
My post seemed pretty self-explanatory, to me.
You knew what I meant.In post 67, -Grey- wrote:
61 wasn't a joke, I agree one is enough.In post 63, Ircher wrote:
If it was humor, you wouldn't've made the quoted post. One joke is enough.In post 61, -Grey- wrote:
56 suggests otherwise.In post 60, Ircher wrote:No one did. Don't be rude.
And? People can manipulate their meta. It's the trends that matter, but you have to realize that it has to be a hard-to-manipulate trend. If, as you say, Naomi only posts that as town, then the post has become borderline-Trust Tell as a result. Anyway, it isn't a hard thing to do as scum so the entire post is null.In post 68, -Grey- wrote:
Neither. It's not advanced physics to check a player's history and see the same kind of post in other games.In post 64, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey's a bit of a poser. Either that or he's an alt.-
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This is what I'm looking for. While I agree with the premise stated here, I don't think it warrants a wagon in comparison to everything else Gamma has done so far.In post 108, All Alone wrote:
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
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Then why'd you bring it up? We're back to square one.
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1) Not really a contradiction -- I explained at least one instance where Gamma's posts looked town.In post 131, Asphodel wrote:Gamma: I read the first 5 pages of that game and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to have gotten from it.
This opinion seems forced and kinda scummy to me.In post 114, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Nah it's town.In post 108, All Alone wrote:
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.
1) Earlier posts make it seem like his defense of Gamma is based on Gamma not having done anything scummy rather than seeming overwhelmingly town.In post 112, Ircher wrote:This is what I'm looking for. While I agree with the premise stated here,I don't think it warrants a wagon in comparison to everything else Gamma has done so far.
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Grey is still scum. And inability/unwillingness to multitask is not a scumtell because it is easier and more effective to try to sort only one person at a time versus doing a half-done job on multiple people.
Pedit: Stop side-stepping the issue.
Pedit2: You had your time to see my response. I stayed off it and said why I didn't support it.
Pedit3: What's not scum is probably town. Again, I already given one instance of what I read as town posts from Gamma.
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Town posts from Gamma.In post 103, Ircher wrote:In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
I liked these two posts. Grey stated his responses were humor, but I disagree - he would've stopped with his first response if it was simply humor. Continuing to call it scum posts makes people believe it is serious.In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No, that's no slip. I'm asking if "ugly" is said more by town than scum.In post 40, -Grey- wrote:
See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.
BTW people need to post here FAST.
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Gamma is scumhunting, formulating reads on non-bogus reasons (aka I can see reasons for why he feels the way he does) and is cooperating for the most part with everyone else by elaborating when asked and questioning things he does not understand.-
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The biggest complaint is prob. his posts about discussion not being about things he wants them to be on, but a minor default does not make Gamma not town.
In literature, there are tragic heroes who are characterized by their major fault. That doesn't make them any less a hero, even if it contributes to their downfall. The same applies here with my read on Gamma.
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How about phrasing that as a non-loaded question?In post 184, Alisae wrote:Sequencer, don't you get the feeling that Ircher is trying to push lynch bait extremely hard?-
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It's a possibility. I'm backing away from my earlier shallow scumread there.In post 189, Asphodel wrote:Ircher: Human Sequencer is town. Thoughts?-
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1) My experience is on my wiki along with a bunch of useful aggregrate stats. The only thing not on there is the breakdown by gane category.
2) Experience only matters for new players. Once you understand the game, experience no longer matters other than your experience with other players. I am experienced but not necessarily skilled at this game.-
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The post reads as neutral, possibly town. The scumread & vote wasn't necessarily bad imo and the unwillingness to multitask is null. It's not something that jumps out as town, but it doesn't jump out as scum either.In post 201, Asphodel wrote:Ircher, maybe I need to be a little more specific: Human Sequencer is town from 139.-
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Was wondering because I've tried similar stuff before (a lot briefer though) and it's never worked well for me.In post 211, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Yes. It lets people know what to expect and helps me protect myself aganist reds pushing me for a miss lynch so its useful that way. also helps inform town onto what to expect saving foot work for those who are lazy. The way I see it you can either Believe it, NAI it or See it as an excuse setup for later, which it totally is as well. thats just kinda how its been. I normally get those who havn't played with me before fitting into the latter two while those who have palyed with me before fit into the former two (as they have experienced it) As It in no way hurts to share information and I provide sources for people to check out I feel its a good and helpful thing that those who are paranoida can backup. Even if it is NAI. An NAI post to explain some things you'll red read me for are NAI is useful to meIn post 53, Ircher wrote:
One question --- Does making this post actually help you in any way?In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepy-
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I will admit that Twoface did catch something here that is worth noting.In post 226, TwoFace wrote:
Well hello scum.In post 70, All Alone wrote:
Why are you voting for something you don't think town needs?In post 32, TwoFace wrote:
I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.
I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.
VOTE: TwoFace
I voted cause why not. Just cause I'm optimistic about not needing it, it's stupid to not ask for it.
Sorry guys. I tried.
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I did and I didn't see the connection.In post 238, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm not telling you to meta me. I'm telling you to read the first 5 pages as I feel it is relevant.In post 237, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Sorry I do not read other posts about Meta had picked from a game selection as it can lead to meta manipulation. this is also why my source for self meta is my Wiki page with all my mafia games as You can't fake your meta in every matchup. If that makes sense.In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.
I am making a read list along side my readup now To post so people know my reads.-
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Out of all the people you ask that.....In post 323, Alisae wrote:Have you ever thought that Ircher is pretending to scumhunt?-
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EBWOPIn post 325, Ircher wrote:
Out of all the people you can ask that to, you ask it to the one who's most likely to have considered that.....In post 323, Alisae wrote:Have you ever thought that Ircher is pretending to scumhunt?-
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Yeah, tbh, there's not as much scumhunting in Gamma's ISO as I thought originally.
Like, it did look like he was doing useful stuff but going back through, I'm not quite as certain that the slot's town anymore. (Still pretty sure on the premise that there is very little to complain about.)-
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@Gin - It was a more reactionary post at the time. I mean, I did check once, but I kinda skimmed through and was looking for certain things. The readslist I provided earlier prob. gives a more objective and supported perspective for where I am since I actually looked through the ISOs a bit more intently.-
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The answer to this fyi is yes. Granted, I found the first half of your ISO (when I made my readslist in other words) somewhat townish.In post 341, Alisae wrote:
Have I done anything else to you that seemed scummy prior to grey's vote?In post 335, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm actually going to second this motion and will hop on that Oregon Trail wagon
VOTE: Alisea
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It depends. Like, at one point, I was looking for town posts in Gamma's ISO (considering my earlier WK)In post 346, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:@Alisae, haven't checked much but it's more of a placeholder vote.
@Ircher, "looking for certain things" which would be?
BRB, finding some info and reading ISOs
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@Grey, then I guess we'll have to wait and see what he flips when he does.
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@Alisae, I don't feel like fucking voting?-
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Kinda have a habit of doing so. Pretty sure that isn't the first time I've done so this game.In post 350, -Grey- wrote:
That doesn't explain why you answered a question that was directed at someone else.In post 349, Ircher wrote:@Grey
8. Alisae (+50%) - 146 was a good question, even if literally, it seems like a useless question. Don't like 184 cuz it's a loaded question; 187 was better after I asked for it to be unbiased.-
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