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In post 38, Davsto wrote:Meh. Maybe Sakura's I don't like that much, but I've never been one to read RVS well.
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In post 52, Davsto wrote:Not a scum lean, they've just done one thing I'm not a fan of.
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In post 59, Concrete Angels wrote:I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.
In contrast, I don't like Sakura.
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In post 74, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 73, Ankamius wrote:In post 59, Concrete Angels wrote:I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.
In contrast, I don't like Sakura.
ETL
Can you go into this please?
It's been a while since I've played with Sakura, but my general impression was that she sheeps a lot because she has no confidence in her own reads. When she did it here, I didn't say anything about it for that reason.
However, she claims to be sheeping Thor, but at the same time she is attacking davsto and coming up with reasons to scumread him, while massaging Thor's ego and buddying him. Now, I don't know about you, but the reasoning usually comes BEFORE the vote/scumread, not after.
So... it looks pretty bad and I'm honestly just waiting to get with MS because he has more experience with her and notscience.
eh, I've mostly been seeing more town than scum markers so far, although a lot of the scum markers I'd expect her to make are more long term from what I can tell.-
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In post 171, Antihero wrote:Vedith - 4 (Concrete Angels, Thor665, Cataphant, Hecatia Lapislazuli)
In post 100, Antihero wrote:Davsto - 3 (Ankamius, Thor665, Hecatia Lapislazuli)
In post 136, Antihero wrote:Hecatia Lapislazuli - 3 (farside22, Cataphant, Wingback)-
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In post 219, Concrete Angels wrote:It usually helps people to understand what you are trying to say...
if you actually say something about what you're showing.
Uhhhh sorry, I posted that as notes to myself so I wouldn't lose them then got distracted by shiny things while actually looking through stuff.
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In post 185, Wingback wrote:
What gave you this impression?In post 81, Ankamius wrote:Oh, so this is a playstyle clash.
In post 79, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 77, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:you think they are scum and engage with them to either strengthen or weaken that read.
Ok. I don't.
I don't vote first, and then ask questions. I ask questions and then vote.
p-edit: I don't even know what you're trying to say there.
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In post 230, massive wrote:In post 214, Thor665 wrote:@Massive - why do you think the semantic defense angle is hogwash and suggests scum dodging? And, if you don't, why the swipe at Hecatia?
Well, for one, I don't think this is semantics, and I've already said so, or at least inferred it in 212. So if what you're asking is "is her defense hogwash", then yes, it's hogwash. I think it's easy for people to slip by and say "Oh, that's clearly not what I meant" but be unable to explain WHY something is being misunderstood or, especially in this case, deflect off to either their other hydra head or to the excuse of being a non-native English speaker.
Sakura said Davsto was a scumread. She said you are a townread. She cannot explain how her actions show this without resorting to examples from AFTER she started acting on these beliefs. That's not word selection. When pressed, the game became hard and she needed a break so her hydra partner could back her up.
This would have been easy to walk past. Sakura says "I like joining RVS wagons. I had no read on either Davsto or Thor." Done. Instead, she laid out all this BS about having scumreads and townreads based on one or two posts and backtracked when called on it. It's not semantics. It's scumantics (tm).
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In post 297, The Bulge wrote:In post 224, Ankamius wrote:In post 219, Concrete Angels wrote:It usually helps people to understand what you are trying to say...
if you actually say something about what you're showing.
Uhhhh sorry, I posted that as notes to myself so I wouldn't lose them then got distracted by shiny things while actually looking through stuff.
I'm getting to this shortly.
Hi. Could you do this in your next post please?
Thor and hiphydra and notsakura are town
Uhh I read half this morning and half on my way to work and I don't remember what my thoughts on ETL were
Agree with what notty(?) said about pistachio looking like eager newbtown.
Vedith looking sketchy as fuck but I'm too lazy to do the research behind the whole post timing thing
Anyway I'm here now. Engage me.
I posted my conclusion already. Cataphant > Thor665 is my current scumlist in order from the Vedith wagon.-
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In post 438, Vedith wrote:In post 436, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Yeah Vedith, what Ank is doing here makes more logical sense for town, considering he's townreading us. You don't want your votes to be hanging around being useless on vanity wagons, if you scumread multiple of them, your vote is more logical to be on the one that has the most votes.
~Sakura
Okay, so explain to me what different effect keeping the vote on Cata will have to Massive?
Both having 1 additional vote that isn't Ank.
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In post 440, Ankamius wrote:In post 438, Vedith wrote:In post 436, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Yeah Vedith, what Ank is doing here makes more logical sense for town, considering he's townreading us. You don't want your votes to be hanging around being useless on vanity wagons, if you scumread multiple of them, your vote is more logical to be on the one that has the most votes.
~Sakura
Okay, so explain to me what different effect keeping the vote on Cata will have to Massive?
Both having 1 additional vote that isn't Ank.
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In post 452, pistachi0n wrote:What changed since your Cataphant vote?
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In post 486, massive wrote:I can't imagine reading the last two pages and still thinking Sakura ISN'T scum. "Oh woe is me, people are scumreading me when I'm town!"
In post 434, Vedith wrote:How many games have you played with Ank?
One where he was in a hydra (Guardians of the Galaxy II) and I thought one as just Ankamius, but I can't find it.
Regarding Ankamius in general: I thought 234 was indicative of skimming and asked about it in 240, which as far as I know got ignored (it was a little snarky). His townread on Hecatia is based on "more town markers than scum" (80) and he even hedges that, but somehow it's still a strong enough read to defend her.
I could probably say the same things about Ank + Hecatia as you did about Ank + me, is that good or bad? Is it more or less indicative that Ank is scum?
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In post 240, massive wrote:In post 234, Ankamius wrote:I think massive was going for a case on subtleties, but this looks like scum nitpicking to look like he's making a case.
Did you read the section when the actual discourse on this stuff was going on between Hecatia and Concrete Angels?
I don't remember seeing this post at all.
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In post 496, pistachi0n wrote:I like that Ank is willing to challenge a popular wagon, but I wish he would elaborate more on why, exactly, the wagon is bad.
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I found this gem while taking a quick glance at the early Vedith wagon again.
In post 160, Davsto wrote:In post 157, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: Hecatia
Most of her posts at first are filler that makes them seem like they're trying to do something, like 78.
Like there are a lot of posts but nothing good until 2/3 into the iso.
Sheeps votes on Vedith.
Not liking this.
Hopping on an easier bandwagon with little reasoning.
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In post 173, Cataphant wrote:@Far, glad to see you're town <3
I didn't notice pistachions callout of Sakura there initially, but you're right. That's a really strange post. Definitely not looking at pistachio very favourably right about now
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In post 496, pistachi0n wrote:I like that Ank is willing to challenge a popular wagon, but I wish he would elaborate more on why, exactly, the wagon is bad.
It was a wagon that had nothing very big behind it, yet it managed to get three sheep votes instantly and just sat there for a long time.
a) I find it hard to believe that three town instantly sheeped that case. It's not a terrible case, but far from sheepable-by-three-players-instantly good.
b) Vedith's response here looks more town than scum
That was more than enough to conclude that there's scum on the wagon somewhere, but I skimmed the game for Cataphant + Thor posts. Thor just suddenly ignores Vedith entirely while passively supporting the wagon until he moves off last page, while Cataphant just... ugh.-
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In post 518, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:We both agree on Ankamius scum, he for his play today, and me because he's being calm about being wagoned, when usually he turns aggresive when he's town. (inb4 he turns aggresive now)
I'm calm about being wagoned because this is never going through while Cataphant is supporting it.-
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Hiplop's case on me is awful partially because he's assuming that I wasn't townreading Vedith until he made a case on me (which is obviously wrong to anyone paying any attention to the game), and partially because his post looks like he's trying to force a scumread. The confidence isn't there in his reasoning; he's declaring it at the end.-
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In post 579, Cataphant wrote:I really dislike how pistachio is not being discussed at all. Seems like the classic second option scum that gets looked over
VOTE: pistachio
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In post 587, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Can we pretty please just lynch Ank?
I'll give out sexual favors.
We could also lynch davvyboy, because for all the talk he does about how much he scumreads us he sure isn't trying to campaign our wagon or read other people.
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In post 603, Thor665 wrote:@Ank - Well, he accused me of hypocrisy in attacking him for not pushing his wagon while pointing out that I was not pushing my wagon.
He ignored that the only wagons I suggested people needed to be pushing were 1 vote wagons - which was never a situation my vote was in.
So, at that point, where is the hypocrisy he is attacking me over?
You disagree with my defense and find me hypocritical in attacking him like I did?
The problem is that if you're not going to be pushing your wagons, you don't exactly get leeway in telling other people to start doing it. It's irrelevant what situations you're criticizing; you made a big post on Vedith way back when that wagon was a thing and practically dropped it afterwards until you moved your vote. You haven't even pushed me at all after you voted me. Both blew up really fast and instantly stalled; the fact that you're going to criticize people for just not pushing a wagon they're solo voting on while you're just passively supporting essentially the same thing sans the wagon length is ridiculous.-
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In post 659, Thor665 wrote:The way he responded to Vedith offering up a case on him was to point out how townish Vedith was.
I basically never see that reaction from anyone - no one agrees with a case made on them, because either they're scum and defending or town and know it's wrong.
I see it as more likely to be scum trying to act town than town suddenly deciding the case on them is good.
You're assuming that I'm agreeing with the case. My point is that he's not scum manufacturing a case; I believe he's legitimately trying to scumhunt. There's a huge difference there.-
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In post 668, Thor665 wrote:Clearly you don't know me - I'm incredibly lazy
If you are refusing to pull it up yourself, let me know. Otherwise I am content to vote you and wait.
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