Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

MathBlade · Post Post #1512 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:22 am

In post 877, The MM wrote:
In post 851, Shadow_step wrote:
@mod: can abilities be used in the same night that they are bought ?
No. I tried.

In post 854, lane0168 wrote:Really? Why didn't they no kill then? How do you know scum aren't afraid of a tracker? And why isn't it smart for town to use a tracker?
What did the mm do last night?
Scum didn't no-kill because no-killing is useless in nearly all circumstances. Killing BBT was always going to be more efficient than no one.
I bought the Tracker and tried to use it, but I was denied by technicalities.
Also, getting the Tracker earlier on allows me to have maximum chances of tracking a kill rather than a bought ability. And if you track nothing, you get refunded, so no loss.

In post 856, lane0168 wrote:He can't afford it... So what about it?
I could afford it. It cost 1000$, I had 1160 or something. So yes, I bought it.

In post 866, lane0168 wrote:Here's the deal, if we don't get to use the items the night we buy them, we can't afford not to get all the powers.
If the mm bought the tracker, that's 4500 dollars left out there?
We need to get 2 people 1250. They can both get vengeful. This is the least we should try for.
2000 left. We get 2 people around 750. They can get jail keeper.
We'll go for who we think is Towniest?
That way we have the maximum abilities might 3?
Getting town vengefuls - known vengefuls - is ASKING for scum to go around and kill them later on. That has some bad points because welp, everybody knows this is who they're going after. But it has some good points in that a vengeful who survives is likely scum - but at this point killing them costs us a townie.

Already outed as tracker here.

Yes I tried to use it on Wingback. Got refunded so I will have another shot tonight.

Thought the push of money from Lane was weird at the start of the game so I tried figuring out who Lane's partner likely is. Also think it is weird they are dropping a shit ton of money today.

I have no hand/money today therefore I take no actions

MathBlade · Post Post #1513 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:23 am

No fold/raise etc actions

*

MathBlade · Post Post #1514 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:25 am

In post 1478, Something_Smart wrote:Also given that we might be in LYLO I wonder if it's a good idea to massclaim.

Pedid: what about it?

This is dumb. No way 9P has 3 scum.

MathBlade · Post Post #1522 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:33 am

Because I didn't believe the cop claim. Wingback specifically said the odd night cop claim was a good thing for scum to claim especially on a universally townread player. This meant one of two things to me:

1) Either Wingback was scum
Or
2) They had good instincts.

If Wingback was scum that would have also meant the cop claim was invalid. They wouldn't risk the cop claim being tracked so I tracked Wingback so I would start with either two townfirms or the scum team figured out.

MathBlade · Post Post #1523 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:34 am

In post 1520, Fire Assassin wrote:Mathblade quick question: Did you get a decent read of the thread before you picked your action?

Not ask much as I like but enough to try to figure out roles. Did a search function for any of the common ones.

MathBlade · Post Post #1527 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:41 am

In post 1519, Infinity 324 wrote:What's up mathblade, can you not tunnel on town this game

The reason people are betting is because we want to give our money to someone to make them BP (that's what happens when you win the only hand in the day phase). I think I should get the BP since I'm an odd-night cop so I'll get another result tonight if I live.

Do you have a role other than the tracker thing you got or were you originally VT?

PEdit: I'm assuming math hadn't read the game yet lol

Originally VT yeah.

MathBlade · Post Post #1535 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:50 am

In post 1526, lane0168 wrote:What if Infinty faked a cop on town? Which would be much more likely considering faking a innocent on a partner is very dangerous

They could yes. However that is extremely dumb play as scum. Since we are down to 7-2 then I am assuming scum aren't stupid because they can be tracked. If Infinity gets caught visiting anyone who they don't innocent they are done and I would instant vote them.

While I am not the best reader as town I do have a good hold on mechanics so if Infinity is scum he would know I would check him or Wingback.

It is possible that they faked a read on Wingback then killed them but then came back and townfirmed me and planned to kill me.

Proper mechanical play says the day before LyLo you lynch the cop but I have a pretty good town read on Infinity.

MathBlade · Post Post #1536 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:51 am

In post 1533, Fire Assassin wrote:Its like, the chances of all the town being wrong about 1 person being town is VERY VERY LOW.
How can you first check the person everyone townread, which lane said and we pointed out day 2,
Then you check him with a track when he had a inno on him already.

I am just so fucking done with the lot of you.

Because I have done this as scum and won.

MathBlade · Post Post #1541 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:59 am

In post 1539, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1535, MathBlade wrote:They could yes. However that is extremely dumb play as scum. Since we are down to 7-2 then I am assuming scum aren't stupid because they can be tracked. If Infinity gets caught visiting anyone who they don't innocent they are done and I would instant vote them.

While I am not the best reader as town I do have a good hold on mechanics so if Infinity is scum he would know I would check him or Wingback.

It is possible that they faked a read on Wingback then killed them but then came back and townfirmed me and planned to kill me.

Proper mechanical play says the day before LyLo you lynch the cop but I have a pretty good town read on Infinity.
No it isn't dumb scum play. You pocket a town by clearing one person, and if you can't pocket them you kill them. Which could have been what happened but its unlikely.

Why would Infinity think you check him? He claimed to be ODD night?

Because they couldn't go anywhere if scum. They are a liability on both nights.

They have to match a no action on even and who they say on odd.
Every night is a way to confirm it.

If they were faking an inno on Wingback Wingback would have had to do the kill.

So literally by me tracking the person they claimed innocent it demonstrates Infinity is town

MathBlade · Post Post #1542 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:02 am

In post 1540, Fire Assassin wrote:I want mathblade gone.
I should have shot them.

Like seriously, if I knew this what I would be expecting. Should have done that.

This doesn't correspond to what you are saying in thread. Why would you want to shoot someone you'd never want to lynch?

VOTE: Fire Assassin

MathBlade · Post Post #1543 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:02 am

@Infinity -- Seems like a daychat slip eh?

MathBlade · Post Post #1546 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:04 am

In post 1538, lane0168 wrote:It's 11p

3 scum 11 P still imbalanced

3-11
3-9
3-7
No way there is a vig and 3 scum because it then becomes

3-11
3-8
3-5

That is horribly unbalanced as fuck.

MathBlade · Post Post #1547 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:06 am

@Fire Assassin -- Who have you shot at?

MathBlade · Post Post #1550 (isolation #13) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:10 am

In post 1549, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1547, MathBlade wrote:@Fire Assassin -- Who have you shot at?
If you have been reading you would know nobody.

I am reading as fast as I can but I don't believe you because reasons.

MathBlade · Post Post #1553 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:13 am

Not enough troll posts. The Firebringer head of the hydra doesn't play like you are as town.

MathBlade · Post Post #1558 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:16 am

In post 1473, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1465, Fire Assassin wrote:Not going to lynch today: Infinity 324, Lane, farside

Possitive a scum or two is in this: Something_Smart, Mathblade, Shadow_Step,
Going to correct this for the time being:
Mathblade is 100% off the table today.

I think she is likely town, I was rereading some stuff on day 1 and read Wingback case. Then scanned through ISO of MM. I don't like his posts, but he could be townie.

So right now:
Not Lynching Today: Infinity, Lane, Mathblade
Wouldn't mind pressuring, but not likely going to lynch: Farside
Woul Lynch: Shadow_Step, Something_Smart

Furthermore you are unwilling to lynch lane yet you are probably lane's partner. That opening at start to bet that amount of money was probably designed to get Lane's money to you since Lane had a piss poor hand but MM fucked that up.

MathBlade · Post Post #1561 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:17 am

In post 1555, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1553, MathBlade wrote:Not enough troll posts. The Firebringer head of the hydra doesn't play like you are as town.
Ohhh fuck no you didn't

VOTE: Mathblade

I did. Firebringer buddies as town and trolls. Look at 1800. That is what I expect of town Firebringer.

Lane + FA = scum team

MathBlade · Post Post #1566 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:21 am

In post 1562, Fire Assassin wrote:Lane, want to know something funny about mathblade?
Me and them just played a game recently not to long ago, it was on this account.

Now she is quoting a meta on Firebringer and using that t read me here.

I am just laughing so hard at this.

Yeah and in that game Firebringer did a trolling suggestion like mass claim which I didn't think was trolling at the time. I was also right on scum in my hood.

Lane+FA want both the tracker and cop gone. *sigh*

So blatantly obvious.

MathBlade · Post Post #1568 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:22 am

In post 1565, Fire Assassin wrote:I mean here:
Recent Game

I am town, do a simple ISO, am I trolling or buddying at all in that? Ummm not even close.

Yes that entire game was trolling suggestion of mass claim partners.

MathBlade · Post Post #1570 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:23 am

In post 1567, lane0168 wrote:@mathblade. This has been talked about extensively, but I'll humor you. Why would scum make a play like that to give their money away if they weren't sure they had a hand that could win? Therefore for would've still called cause who could know the mm had a straight?

One of two reasons :

1) Fire had a pretty good hand and thought they could win
2) Designed to frame the MM slot (now me) or anyone with a good hand

MathBlade · Post Post #1573 (isolation #20) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:26 am

No. Fire Assassin is clearly scum.

Goes from won't lynch me to lynch me in a matter of posts because they disagree with my strategy.

I can get being annoyed.
I can get calling me an idiot.

If you think I am an idiot it doesn't make me scum. It makes me a perceived idiot.

MathBlade · Post Post #1574 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:26 am

1571 - Yes I believe the merits as it was never countered in game.

MathBlade · Post Post #1575 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:28 am

In post 1572, lane0168 wrote:1) so he would've called. He didn't. So we wouldn't do that plan if he didn't have a good hand

2) frame how? Make it look like you're my partner?

Thanks for the scumslip in saying "we wouldn't do that".

Means you and he are scum together. Boo yah. If I die lynch these slots with all do pressure and poking.

2 yep.

MathBlade · Post Post #1576 (isolation #23) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:28 am

I gotta go but it is fire and FA and infinity confirmed town.

MathBlade · Post Post #1599 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:59 pm

@farside: I don't think lane can because he has a case of scum-itis

MathBlade · Post Post #1600 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:04 pm

In post 1588, farside22 wrote:
In post 1584, lane0168 wrote:
In post 1583, farside22 wrote:Oh I get it Lanes doing association without a flip.
Great story.

Zzzzzz
That's comical! Considering you had me as rc's scum partner!
It's based on how you are playing the game.
Not just because, also the fact you ignore large gaps in logic.

Fire Assassin wrote:There could be a cop guilty on lane in this game and I still wouldn't lynch him.

Can you please shot me tonight then.
Please, because if no one gives a fuck I'd like to die then.

*sigh*

Or we could just lynch a person who wants town dead?

MathBlade · Post Post #1609 (isolation #26) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:05 pm

Look at that voting history.

It is lane and Fire

MathBlade · Post Post #1610 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 1602, farside22 wrote:
In post 1600, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1588, farside22 wrote:
In post 1584, lane0168 wrote:
In post 1583, farside22 wrote:Oh I get it Lanes doing association without a flip.
Great story.

Zzzzzz
That's comical! Considering you had me as rc's scum partner!
It's based on how you are playing the game.
Not just because, also the fact you ignore large gaps in logic.

Fire Assassin wrote:There could be a cop guilty on lane in this game and I still wouldn't lynch him.

Can you please shot me tonight then.
Please, because if no one gives a fuck I'd like to die then.
*sigh*

Or we could just lynch a person who wants town dead?
Do whatever floats your boat.
My vote is only for 1 of 2 players I'm scum reading.
Smart or Lane.

Same with me and Lane or Fire. Just want fire because odd-night cop + vig too OP for a 13 player setup where people can purchase abilities.

MathBlade · Post Post #1623 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:15 am

*sigh*

I do :/

Lane IMHO is just pushing far side to see how far she will go :/

I agree people do "dumb" or "crazy" things but attack the play not the person.

Lane explain who you scumread day one and who you scumread day two and who you scumread now. I think this will clarify what far side is trying to ask perhaps?

MathBlade · Post Post #1628 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:32 pm

In post 1626, farside22 wrote:The mod asked and I was fine staying if lane is leaving.
I'm not going to get into the argument with lane's personal attack.

@Fire do you object giving Infinity the BP? If so why?

Did I understand the point you were trying to make farside?

And Lane looks like they are just passing money to fire.

If anyone has a good hand please get in there. If I had cards I would in that hand myself.

MathBlade · Post Post #1636 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:01 am

In post 1635, farside22 wrote:While I'm thinking, math, are you only voting fire because of his claim?

No. His claim contributes but is not part of the reason I am voting them.

Advocating for the lynching of town and the not lynching of Mafia is scums wincon. Fire does it here. Brazenly. Call my play idiotic I understand. But if you believe I am the town idiot then your vote should be somewhere else.

MathBlade · Post Post #1637 (isolation #31) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:06 am

In post 1088, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1087, Infinity 324 wrote:Ughh this is so stupid

Can we please just lynch fire
We can totally do that.
Tomorrow, after I shot you, if you flip town.

But you won't.

Advocates shooting the cop.

Like this is blatantly bad. He is wanting to get rid of town.

MathBlade · Post Post #1638 (isolation #32) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:17 am

Then says in thread multiple times "I am going to shoot X player"

First it was infinity. Then there was some MM.

But when I ask them today it is no one.

The more likely thing is I should have tracked fire assassin and I fucked up. In a 13 player game with 2 mislynches already you fucking shoot already because we have 4 town dead. This means 7 alive. A mislynch here means 5 alive and 2 are scum. Which means Fire if a vig cannot shoot incorrectly or we lose. They only times he could shoot is if we lynch correctly now. Pretty much supposedly not doing anything with the vig ability is stupid. I expected two deaths today or Wingback to do the kill because of infinity's cop claim. Neither happened.

MathBlade · Post Post #1642 (isolation #33) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:45 am

god damn it Fire I am on 4 hours of sleep and going to have one of the most important days of my life and quite frankly I made a typo because the 1 and 3 are so damn close. My logic in that post is bloody consistent with an 11 p game.

You just want to wriggle out of this.

MathBlade · Post Post #1643 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:47 am

And it is sibling not sister. <<See pronoun on left. They

MathBlade · Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:07 pm

It literally is blackmail.

I am a one shot tracker through purchasing as I have said before.

If FA is the vig we have to lynch scum here or it is GG because Fire said they would shoot me.

This is an unbreakable situation. I admit I did not do as thorough a read upon my replace in but pretty much these questions must be addressed:

Either Infinity or Fire has to be scum. No way scum take a shot at a VT and ignore claimed power roles.

I checked Wingback to remove the possibility of Infinity pulling an 1800 and faking an innocent.

Yes I admit in hindsight I should have been traditional and checked you.

But then it is up to you to convince others of your incorrect belief that I am scum.

MathBlade · Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:10 pm

I don't mind 1v1'ing FA if there is an actual case but you don't lynch someone based on being an idiot. You lynch someone based on a belief of if they are town or scum.

Pretty much from my POV we have to lynch Lane or Fire today because if we don't from my POV if Fire is town the game is over. However since Fire didn't shoot yet the odds of that are abysmal.

MathBlade · Post Post #1694 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1692, farside22 wrote:
In post 1690, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1685, farside22 wrote:I really don't see Fire as scum.
I've been pretty wrong with my reads so don't mind me at all.
Didn't you have a scumread on me or was leaning on me as a possibility at the start of the day?
I changed my mind.

See here is the problem I have with you and in a nutshell it is your claim. It bothers me, but frankly it isn't enough to hold a scum read. I was also put off by your lack of comments during day 2. Reevaluting the game I don't see it as enough to find a scum read on you.
Also some of how i felt was also in regards to your desire to give Lane money when I didn't think that was a good idea.

Why is it not?

Odd night weak mason recruiter and jailkeeper is balanced for 13 for town with scum having Neopolitan and daychat and jailkeeper enabler.

I don't see a way a odd night cop and a vig and purchase abilities is balanced unless scum have a shit ton of powers. Since no evidence of shit ton of powers it means there is scum in either infinity or Fire Assassin.

If Fire is town then infinity has borrowed from my 1800 game where we confirmed Masquerade. If infinity is town then fire is trying to force a lynch on me so they don't have to NK me to avoid tracking them.

One or the other is true and I highly suspect the latter and that FA is with Lane.

MathBlade · Post Post #1695 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:26 am

And if town wins pots they are bulletproof. There has to be some semblance of balance here.

MathBlade · Post Post #1702 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:56 am

In post 1415, Wingback wrote:The intense ATE sounds very similar tonally to RedCoyote's ISO in this scumgame that I went through. (Infinity's sig doesn't apply here, funnily enough)

VOTE: RedCoyote

I'm leaving so I'd rather put my vote down now so people have the chance to switch.

Lane and MM are townreads. I can see RedCoyote/Fire or Infinity/Shadow potential scumteams. While I don't suspect Farside and Something_smart as much now, if I die tonight, the safe play would be to re-read both of them in light of flips and don't give anyone a free pass.

If I am wrong on Fire which I doubt

This reads like a setup to 1800 -- Bus scum confirm town bus scum. Coast.

Something smart town read. Farside town read.

Scum teams are either FA+Lane/Titus or Infinity/Shadow_step.

MathBlade · Post Post #1703 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:58 am

Like what sketches me out is infinity's answer "feels" right but a cop and a vig and a tracker if all town can't live until the next day or scum is fucked.

Because I know I am town this means because wingback was killed either infinity or fire have to be scum.

MathBlade · Post Post #1705 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:34 am

In post 1205, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1175, Wingback wrote:Why? If Infinity is illogically defending MM, shouldn't that make you want to lynch Infinity as opposed to MM? From your POV, either he would either be scum defending a partner or scum defending town so why would it make you want to lynch MM more? Unless you think Infinity is town defending scum in which case, his defense shouldn't affect your read on MM.

By the way, why are you scumreading MM in the first place? The only thing I found was Post 819 and you agreeing with Lane's point in Post 910 after he questioned you about it. That doesn't look like a strong enough read for you to conf-bias Infinity's defense as making MM more scummy. What do you think of MM's response to that point?

MM
-
Infinity

Most likely, scum infinity is defending scum MM because MM has a strong PR.

MM
-
Infinity

Less likely, town infinity is defending scum MM, because he is conf biased, maybe arrogance plays a part in this. Refusal to keep an open mind and just illogicaly defending MM, without any solid reason. Just saying he is newb town......WTF?
From MM's post it's very clear that he is hard town reading Infinity as well, only because Infinity is town reading him. That's an awful reason to town read anyone. He doesn't have a problem with Infinity buddying with him so much for no reason whatsoever. I can't imagine a town MM being okay with that.

MM
-
Infinty

least likely, it doesn't make sense for scum infinity to white knight a town player who is scum read by majority of the players, he will get lynched sooner or later and scum infinity doesn't get much(if any) town creds after the MM flip. I don't see much scum motivation behind this.

Which is why I'd rather lynch MM today.

How have your reads changed from this post shadow_step with me being confirmed town and UNCC'd tracker?

MathBlade · Post Post #1711 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:58 pm

In post 1706, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1701, Shadow_step wrote:So what?
The fear of being tracked is not more than having a conf town in the game ?
Yeah

Think about it this way, since fire claimed vig he had an out if he was tracked to a kill (not in the case of wingback, but still). So he's unlikely to be tracked. So he could do the kill and not be scared of a tracker.

In general a 1-shot track is not the scariest thing in the world for scum.

Normally I would agree with you except for the fact Fire has been claiming to shoot multiple people, none of whom they have actually shot. If that happens and I track them to the kill I would be screaming bloody murder for their lynch because it would be a confirmed guilty.

MathBlade · Post Post #1713 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:01 pm

In post 1709, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry lol. My case in a nutshell is that you don't just get to walk away free after mislynching RC like that.

What questions did you want answered?

Farside smart -- I think you are both town.

@Smart a mislynch is all of town's fault always. Unless you have specific scummy posts and some sort of logical reasoning more than what I have posted not going to consider farside.

@Fire -- How is it relevant how often something happens? That is gambler's fallacy. What needs to be determined is what happened here.

And until someone can explain to me why 3 PRs are still alive I don't want to consider anything outside the PR claims.

MathBlade · Post Post #1714 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:04 pm

Infinity bear with me phone posting

In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?

This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.

MathBlade · Post Post #1715 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:04 pm

In post 1009, Fire Assassin wrote:Quote wall of saying "no evidence" (which evidence would be feedback of some sort or what?), You then state I have a case and that its bullshit and fabricated, and I don't have any reasons. WHat?

YOU SAID I HAD A CASE. YOU CAN SAY ITS A BAD CASE BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS BULLSHIT?

I am so done with you.
Lynching MM today, shooting you tonight.
Yes, I have a gun.

You are dying.

Threatens to shoot infinity here. Didn't happen.

MathBlade · Post Post #1716 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:07 pm

In post 1080, Fire Assassin wrote:Like you could claim full blown cop who has a innocent on mm and I would call bullshit and still shoot you.

Threatens to shoot a cop :/

Like what kind of vig threatens this?

If infinity is doing something stupid: You work to correct that stupid.

MathBlade · Post Post #1717 (isolation #47) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:09 pm

In post 1486, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1483, farside22 wrote:1) you could have shot night 1
So this excuse just looks like crap.
Why would I shot night 1 when reads are the weakest, I subbed in when we were half way through day 1 and you think I would be confident enough to shoot then? I am a 1-shot. Why would I waste my shot so early when my reads were just forming.

Because you said you would.

MathBlade · Post Post #1718 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:11 pm

In post 1712, Infinity 324 wrote:Hmm?

So because they have a repeated track record of not doing what they said they would do:

If I hypothetically track them and it is not to who they say. I consider that provable lying.
I consider provable liars scum. Especially if the person I hypothetically track them to is dead.

MathBlade · Post Post #1724 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 1722, Titus wrote:
In post 1714, MathBlade wrote:Infinity bear with me phone posting
In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?
This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.
Why would you out this?

I am discussing my thoughts towards the authenticity of both Fire and Infinity's claims.

To me it does not make sense to leave three power roles alive. Anyone not voting in me/Infinity/Fire has to explain that. Granted I know I am town but from an outside POV I am still an option to be lynched.

A confirmed town is less valuable a shot because we were already shooting ourselves in the foot with these mislynches.

We need to get our shit together now.

MathBlade · Post Post #1728 (isolation #50) » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:27 am

Check

Off to work I go.

MathBlade · Post Post #1738 (isolation #51) » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 1729, Titus wrote:
Mod: Can we have notice before autofold? Like a timer? I didn't know which way I wanted to go.

I check on this hand.

Math, any reason you didn't fold?

Because another hand started and trying to keep money away from scum. And in poker rules you can check once you have ante'd.

Fire -- Any reason you raised?
Titus -- Why did you check?

More likely to do X or Y happens because of a predisposed supposition based on prior events. Asking what is more likely based on past games is gamblers fallacy.

If it is what is more likely without that context I agree. However in order to answer the question one must reflect on prior games thus introducing it to a lesser degree. And players are more random than one may think.

The question is not what is likely. The question is what is going on?

MathBlade · Post Post #1739 (isolation #52) » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:06 pm

Assuming no other bets have been made*

MathBlade · Post Post #1747 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:31 am

1) The VCA -- VCA is a tool and without context the results are not helpful. I think fire and lane or infinity and shadow_step were on the same side of that lynch for one reason.

Because of something smart.

By both being on the lynch it would have helped create drama. That would be drama NOT at them. Scum don't always have to be on separate wagons. In fact with the way this game is going and no one suspecting them .

Furthermore the FA_Q2 hammer makes sense because the counter is Fire Assassin. For that first VC I don't think scum had a choice.

2) Absolutely. Infinity observed a game where I was scum with Karnos. We then made neo!Karnos look so damn good that the Mason Recruiter recruited him. Them claiming odd night cop and then both something smart and infinity's minor spat today feels like a repeat of this so fucking hard. Then Shadowstep posts today asking no more questions of infinity and just goes can we lynch me already.

@Titus - Except I am a PR now dammit. My one shot fucking refunds. Look at the first post.

Scum want me gone because I can literally confirm or deny what someone is claiming in thread.

And if odd night cop with a vig made it past the review board I will seriously wonder about that review board's decision here.

@Farside22 -- No. It is not ONLY because of Fire's claim. Fire's claim should be plenty though.

It doesn't make fucking sense that a vig hasn't shot yet. None. Zero. I can understand people thinking I am an idiot. Hell if that is what causes town to lose I am sorry. But what I do not understand is if we mislynch today and it is not me and Fire Assassin is town we lose.

Furthermore Fire Assassin has pretty much said they will only vote me making me in essence goddamn hated.

MathBlade · Post Post #1748 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:33 am

@Fire -- Would you call your hand the best thing since sliced bread?

MathBlade · Post Post #1749 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:36 am

In post 1740, Titus wrote:
Can I queue an action? If so, I call Fire effective 1 minute before folding would otherwise be required.

Math, I am not voting Fire. Letscum sort out the PRs. Infinity being bp is good.

Is Smart town? What are your reads?

Why the fuck are you not answering my question about why you checked?

Why are you asking me a question I have stated before many times?

Like what about Titus's ISO is town? Someone tell me because Titus as a town shouts for the moon. This feels like prod dodging.

MathBlade · Post Post #1752 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:42 am

Furthermore let's consider a math scum world:

Let's even assume it without Fire or Infinity.

Anyone can ask the mod how much money a player has at any time.
Therefore you will be clearly able to see that I bought a tracker.

Now as potential scum with an odd night cop and a vig why would scum need a tracker? Keep in mind in a Math!scum world one of these have to be town. (Granted the math scum world is stupid but...) Why the hell would MM not buy something more useful?

Mod can you please list all players and current money status

MathBlade · Post Post #1753 (isolation #57) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:43 am

In post 1750, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1747, MathBlade wrote:Scum want me gone because I can literally confirm or deny what someone is claiming in thread.
Yeah, you're talking exactly like you know what PRs mafia have.

No I am not. If I live until tomorrow then whichever of infinity or Fire Assassin is scum have to hope and pray to god I didn't track them. I literally either townfirm Infinity or FIre Assassin.

MathBlade · Post Post #1758 (isolation #58) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:48 am

God damn it I misread that line monkeys. I gotta go to work but the fact I was absent from the first hand proves I didn't have enough to ante which still proves I bought a tracker which still proves that I am town based on the prior paragraph about assuming a math scum world.

I have to go to work but please seriously DO NOT lynch confirmed town who can find out which of the PR claims are a sack of shit.

MathBlade · Post Post #1759 (isolation #59) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:50 am

In post 1756, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1753, MathBlade wrote:No I am not. If I live until tomorrow then whichever of infinity or Fire Assassin is scum have to hope and pray to god I didn't track them. I literally either townfirm Infinity or FIre Assassin.
You assume that there has to be 1 scum in us two which is a false dichotomy you are making.

Yes because there is no way a odd night cop and vig make it past the review board in an 11 player game!

MathBlade · Post Post #1762 (isolation #60) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:51 am

In post 1757, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1748, MathBlade wrote:@Fire -- Would you call your hand the best thing since sliced bread?
Why does it matter what my hand is?
I am going to fold as soon as Infinity raises anyways.

Are you not even following what i have been saying?

And I don't think you will. I don't trust you.

MathBlade · Post Post #1763 (isolation #61) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:52 am

Why the hell are people begging for a lynch of fucking conf town? I can't even..:

OMG

Work. Work sounds good.

MathBlade · Post Post #1765 (isolation #62) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:53 am

In post 1751, Shadow_step wrote:VOTE: MT

Who the fuck is MT?

MathBlade · Post Post #1769 (isolation #63) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:03 am

Dead serious.

Why are you using my RL initials if you mean me? And if you are how did you know them instead of correcting the typo?

MathBlade · Post Post #1770 (isolation #64) » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:05 am

Keys in the ignition and driving out now. Will try to post as I can.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:35 pm

In post 1774, farside22 wrote:
In post 1744, Something_Smart wrote:Don't color yourself green in a VCA.
I know I'm town.
You want to do your own VCA I'll just laugh at you hard.

In post 1747, MathBlade wrote:1) The VCA -- VCA is a tool and without context the results are not helpful. I think fire and lane or infinity and shadow_step were on the same side of that lynch for one reason.

Because of something smart.

By both being on the lynch it would have helped create drama. That would be drama NOT at them. Scum don't always have to be on separate wagons. In fact with the way this game is going and no one suspecting them .

Furthermore the FA_Q2 hammer makes sense because the counter is Fire Assassin. For that first VC I don't think scum had a choice.

2) Absolutely. Infinity observed a game where I was scum with Karnos. We then made neo!Karnos look so damn good that the Mason Recruiter recruited him. Them claiming odd night cop and then both something smart and infinity's minor spat today feels like a repeat of this so fucking hard. Then Shadowstep posts today asking no more questions of infinity and just goes can we lynch me already.

@Titus - Except I am a PR now dammit. My one shot fucking refunds. Look at the first post.

Scum want me gone because I can literally confirm or deny what someone is claiming in thread.

And if odd night cop with a vig made it past the review board I will seriously wonder about that review board's decision here.

@Farside22 -- No. It is not ONLY because of Fire's claim. Fire's claim should be plenty though.

It doesn't make fucking sense that a vig hasn't shot yet. None. Zero. I can understand people thinking I am an idiot. Hell if that is what causes town to lose I am sorry. But what I do not understand is if we mislynch today and it is not me and Fire Assassin is town we lose.

Furthermore Fire Assassin has pretty much said they will only vote me making me in essence goddamn hated.

Tell me in which world no scum is voting a townie on day 2.
I would like that with facts brought in.

Will get to this tonight but one of my first games on DLP was like that. When I bus (e.g. 1800 it was a split farm and we attacked hard for disassociatives. ) i fucking hate site meta with a passion. On the two VCs you posted to me who I think is scum is voting town? Please clarify.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:37 pm

In post 1777, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1741, farside22 wrote:okay I need a quick look at this. I feel certain that Smart is scum. I know I said that about RC and FAQ.
But seriously the dude has no cases, no scum reads other then me and the engagement most of the game is lack luster at best.
I liked his play d1 though. It's true he hasn't done that much since then, but I think he was away for some time and I get the impression he's trying to figure stuff out.

In post 1742, farside22 wrote: You are town reading Mathblade but I'm a bit unsure can you explain why these things read town to you?
Ehh

Last game me and math played together we were both town, and they tunneled on me and weren't very logical iirc (sorry math)

Honestly after mini 1800 I've given up on trying to read math, but mm was so towny that I'm comforable with calling that slot town

In post 1752, MathBlade wrote:Now as potential scum with an odd night cop and a vig why would scum need a tracker? Keep in mind in a Math!scum world one of these have to be town. (Granted the math scum world is stupid but...) Why the hell would MM not buy something more useful?
Yeah I think they would buy like a JK or something

*cough* shadow *cough*

I don't take offense. I was logical from my POV just incorrect. I was blinded by the fact I replaced into a vig that tried to kill you and the shot didn't go through. Here I fucked up in tracking Wingback. That bit was illogical.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:38 pm

In post 1771, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1769, MathBlade wrote:Why are you using my RL initials if you mean me? And if you are how did you know them instead of correcting the typo?
I have no clue what your RL initials are

I'm sure you are the only one with M as the starting letter.

Anyway just to be clear and mod convenience

VOTE: MB

Titus and Shadowstep just became a potential team.

So Titus/FA
Titus/ShadowStep
Infinity/Shadowstep

One of those three.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 1788, Infinity 324 wrote:Why not FA/shadow

Not seeing why FA and Shadow would both hop on me that fast if scum together.

I am making the assumption that scum would buy the 1 shot neighborized for daychat. Don't see that happening with daychat.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:42 pm

In post 1783, farside22 wrote:
In post 1778, Alchemist21 wrote:
♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

Fire Assassin(2):
Infinity, mathblade

something_smart(2):
farside, Titus

mathblade(2):
fire assassin, shadow step

farside:
something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

The current pot is $436

The amount to call is $201

Still in the hand: farside, mathblade, titus, fire assassin, infinity

Farside, mathblade, titus, fire assassin must act.

Spoiler: Betting History
Bet orders:
Ante
Mathblade checks
Titus checks
Fire Assassin bets $200
Something smart folds
Shadow step folds
Infinity raises to $201.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

So, the queued action question - I'll allow it but only if the conditions for it still apply. Since fire's bet is no longer the one to call the queued action request is now invalid.
I hate this vote count.

Agreed.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:43 pm

In post 1782, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1781, Infinity 324 wrote:You can't commute and kill at the same time lol

Do you still think I'm scum or did you drop that read for no good reason?
Have you been skimming my posts?
I've already said you're dumb and not likely scum.
Based on interactions I'm feeling it's Smart and Mathblade.

Why? Stop pitching what Farside and FA want and make a case if you believe that. But you probably don't have reads do you?

MathBlade · Post Post #1795 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:12 am

In post 1793, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1791, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1782, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1781, Infinity 324 wrote:You can't commute and kill at the same time lol

Do you still think I'm scum or did you drop that read for no good reason?
Have you been skimming my posts?
I've already said you're dumb and not likely scum.
Based on interactions I'm feeling it's Smart and Mathblade.

Why? Stop pitching what Farside and FA want and make a case if you believe that. But you probably don't have reads do you?
Farside ?
IIRC they are not even sure of you being scum, what the hell are you talking about?

Get caught up with my posts(day 2) and you'll understand why I'm scum reading your slot.

Continually misrepping me doesn't help you in anyway .

Farside wants smart. FA wants MM.

You have not made a case recently and I want your recent thoughts. It isn't hard. If you still think I and Smart are scum explain how we have been scummy.

MathBlade · Post Post #1796 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:16 am

In post 1792, Infinity 324 wrote:Well shadow was the only one that would have the money, he could be fakeclaiming buying JK but I believe him and it can be tested.

How? If he was scum and bought daychat as I think scum would, then if their partner was lying about their claim as one of the PRs I believe is, all they have to do is say "roleblocked" and then Smart makes the kill.

MathBlade · Post Post #1797 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:22 am

Fold

Farside wants me*

And furthermore if smart is telling the truth about buying JK then I doubt they are scum. This would make only one of Infinity/FA scum and scum would need a counter balance to that.

MathBlade · Post Post #1812 (isolation #74) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 1808, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1794, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1784, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1782, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1781, Infinity 324 wrote:You can't commute and kill at the same time lol

Do you still think I'm scum or did you drop that read for no good reason?
Have you been skimming my posts?
I've already said you're dumb and not likely scum.
Based on interactions I'm feeling it's Smart and Mathblade.
Well you said I was stupid here

In post 1697, Shadow_step wrote:If I was the vig I would have shot Infinity 10 times over for being stupid.

If scum win this you should get the MVP award.
But you never mentioned that I wasn't likely to be scum...

This or fire, guys.
I've obviously implied it when I talk about the MVP award.

Seriously take your tinted glasses off
Ok, you implied it BUT YOU NEVER GAVE A REASON

ffs

In post 1796, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1792, Infinity 324 wrote:Well shadow was the only one that would have the money, he could be fakeclaiming buying JK but I believe him and it can be tested.
How? If he was scum and bought daychat as I think scum would, then if their partner was lying about their claim as one of the PRs I believe is, all they have to do is say "roleblocked" and then Smart makes the kill.
If he bet all his money, we would see how much he had left and therefore how much he used.

I disagree that scum would necessarily want daychat, JK would be pretty useful as well and shadow had enough money for either.

If he has more than you though you'd lose your BP more than likely because no one could fold :/

I think I have already. I think it is you and Titus and FA who haven't folded. And if Titus gets this pot after me calling Titus and FA were trying to give money to each other I will be pissed.

MathBlade · Post Post #1814 (isolation #75) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:57 pm

Lol that was my point why I am conf town XD.

MathBlade · Post Post #1827 (isolation #76) » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:31 pm

Will catch up tomorrow just got off work. Dead tired.

MathBlade · Post Post #1839 (isolation #77) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:44 am

If I die tonight lynch Titus and Fire with the speed of a bullet train.

@Farside -- Please stop derping :/ Like this is bullshit here. If you don't understand ask questions. I believe I have explained myself in a straight forward manner.

MathBlade · Post Post #1850 (isolation #78) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:02 pm

Blah...Something smart lynch is something dumb.

MathBlade · Post Post #1851 (isolation #79) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:04 pm

Titus and Fire Assassin should be bowing out of the hand *glares at them*

If they don't I am saying this is bullshit and Farside should clearly Unvote.

MathBlade · Post Post #1853 (isolation #80) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:55 am

Agreed. But poker needs infinity to act first. Once infinity raises I expect folds like bullet lightning from those two.

MathBlade · Post Post #1854 (isolation #81) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:26 pm

The crickets be chirping :/

MathBlade · Post Post #1857 (isolation #82) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 1855, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1848, farside22 wrote:
In post 1847, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1842, Something_Smart wrote:Why?

I've explained this already.
All I can find is that I pushed FAQ while admitting that he might be town.

And you hard pushed RC while saying I probably wasn't scum with RC, so...

Whoa there is a huge difference between proposing two potential scum teams and then pushing someone you think might be town. Like how does this compare for you?

MathBlade · Post Post #1858 (isolation #83) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:08 pm

@mod: Can you please check on pokes/prods etc please?

MathBlade · Post Post #1868 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:14 am

Now Titus needs to fold...

Shadow_step needs to quit derping.
Smart needs to be playing and posting reads.

Logically my gut says Smart is scum. My gut says that he isn't. This is turning way too fast for my liking.

MathBlade · Post Post #1872 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:38 am

In post 1869, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 1868, MathBlade wrote:Logically my gut says Smart is scum. My gut says that he isn't. This is turning way too fast for my liking.
This is a 180 where you despised this wagon.
Where did your read change?

I can't point to a specific point but mostly a lot of what Farside is making sense on paper. However I still think there has to be scum in the PR claims. Even though there isn't a review board I don't see a reviewer putting in that much power. In a 13 game without purchasing there was less for town. Why would town have more in an 11?

A lot of this just doesn't make sense to me.

Work now people.

MathBlade · Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 1882, farside22 wrote:
In post 1880, Titus wrote:
In post 1876, Fire Assassin wrote:Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?
Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.
Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans

Horrible idea because if town is lynched and is town then we lose.
Fire shooting me is not a plan I approve of unless scum is lynched today.

Smart -- That doesn't townfirm you in the slightest. You are saying you can't lie because of jet lag? Lol does that mean everything in my dreams is reality? Furthermore scum chat is a thing. If we used your arums T we'd all be townfirmed and never lynched because "I am so sleepy I can't lie". That is crap.

Yes you did. You compared yourself and Farside.

Your queued action should have been to fold. Instead you called. Damn straight I am pissed.

Out tonight with friends.

MathBlade · Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:41 pm

And I am town*

MathBlade · Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:42 pm

Thirdly by having Fire shoot someone I know to be town mainly me we move LyLo to TODAY. Why can't you guys see this and listen??

MathBlade · Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:54 pm

I don't think they did. Just saying their role PM is evidence the dream is bad doesn't make belief in the dream valid.

For example I do not believe in many religions.
If someone presents evidence a certain religion is right and I provide evidence to the contrary doesn't mean I believe in said religion.

Gotta run.

MathBlade · Post Post #1897 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:33 am

In post 1893, farside22 wrote:
In post 1884, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1882, farside22 wrote:
In post 1880, Titus wrote:
In post 1876, Fire Assassin wrote:Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?
Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.
Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans
Horrible idea because if town is lynched and is town then we lose.
Fire shooting me is not a plan I approve of unless scum is lynched today.

Smart -- That doesn't townfirm you in the slightest. You are saying you can't lie because of jet lag? Lol does that mean everything in my dreams is reality? Furthermore scum chat is a thing. If we used your arums T we'd all be townfirmed and never lynched because "I am so sleepy I can't lie". That is crap.

Yes you did. You compared yourself and Farside.

Your queued action should have been to fold. Instead you called. Damn straight I am pissed.

Out tonight with friends.
Oh, oh and even funny point on this about math.
You remember when he called fire scum and didn't believe the vig claim.
Yeah that.
Well how about this recent post that shows he believes fire is vig.

I'm out
.

1) I am a they.
2) I am proposing multiple theories. Some of which fire is town. Therefore since I do not know the answer I have to have a plan that assumes worst case scenario. The best case is Fire is scum and not a vig and only one town death overnight. However if that is not the case then we are in LyLo today.

MathBlade · Post Post #1898 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:35 am

In post 1891, farside22 wrote:
In post 1884, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1882, farside22 wrote:
In post 1880, Titus wrote:
In post 1876, Fire Assassin wrote:Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?
Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.
Shadow has the jk ability.
Fire shots math, infinity checks shadow, shadow jails one of us.
This is just in case of shanigans
Horrible idea because if town is lynched and is town then we lose.
Fire shooting me is not a plan I approve of unless scum is lynched today.

Smart -- That doesn't townfirm you in the slightest. You are saying you can't lie because of jet lag? Lol does that mean everything in my dreams is reality? Furthermore scum chat is a thing. If we used your arums T we'd all be townfirmed and never lynched because "I am so sleepy I can't lie". That is crap.

Yes you did. You compared yourself and Farside.

Your queued action should have been to fold. Instead you called. Damn straight I am pissed.

Out tonight with friends.
Sorry I had a dream where I figured out the entire scum team and redeemed myself for my earlier reads.

Same point as smart. Dreams are not admissible. If this was sarcasm carry on.

MathBlade · Post Post #1900 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:39 am

Nope. Outside literature is also not admissible.

The game is what counts so please stick to the game people. It is not hard. Quote posts. Say words about those posts.
Find scum lynch it.

MathBlade · Post Post #1902 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:01 am

In post 1901, Something_Smart wrote:Lol I don't blame you it's ridiculously long.
Anyway, one problem with that is that we townread each other, but we scumread completely different people.
Do you want to talk to me about why you townread Infinity and farside? (and I can do the same with Fire and Titus.)

As I said before I see multiple potential teams.

The crux of it is, with purchasing powers, giving town two PR roles of 11 players makes town infinitely too powerful. I know I am town so this means one of infinity/Fire have to be scum.

Farside is town through genuine poking and reading the game. If they are scum they deserve kudos or an award. Their posts just ooze town.

Infinity could be pulling an 1800 but Fire is much more likely because of two things:

1) If fire is scum he just advertised the NK no big deal. There is still a game lynch Fire/Titus tomorrow.
2) If fire is town and we mislynch it is game over.

Therefore from my POV fire has to be lynched.

Also don't like how Fire and Titus bolster Farside's vote to try to drag this out.

It could be infinity and Shadowstep but Fire is the best lynch for town.

Pretty much if you believe I am town fire should be the lynch.

MathBlade · Post Post #1910 (isolation #94) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:39 pm

Agreed. There are four days yet. There is no reason to rush. We have time to discuss things if people would quit being lurk sacs.

Calling all players please post more than once a day if able. Thanks!

MathBlade · Post Post #1913 (isolation #95) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:55 pm

Yeah no. The smart play is to track SOMEONE in fire/infinity/shadow and not announce who. Then all three claim what they did and see if scum emerges. Not going to confirm or deny which.

MathBlade · Post Post #1916 (isolation #96) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:28 pm

In post 1915, Something_Smart wrote:Math how confident are you that Shadow is town?

I am not confident. See prior posts.

Fire yes it is. Explain why you think it isn't.

MathBlade · Post Post #1922 (isolation #97) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:51 pm

In post 1918, Fire Assassin wrote:If you were town, which you are not. The smart move would be to track infinity regardless. Because he is not going to die and you can confirm for whoever he visited to be accurate.

You could track me but if I am dead you show up as tracking no one, assuming I don't shoot you. Which is really unlikely.
So infinity is guaranteed to get some result you can work off of

1) I am town.
2) The smart play is to not announce who I am tracking regardless of who I do so whoever is scum can't change it regardless of if I agree or not.

Because if I agree and you are scum then you get free reign.
If I disagree and you are scum we are fighting over something I control and try to do so for the best interests of town.

If I agree and you are town this is bad because then the remaining scum plan.
If I disagree and you are town this is a TvT fight with many voices discussing that instead of reads.

Therefore I will not announce who I am tracking.

MathBlade · Post Post #1935 (isolation #98) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 1924, Fire Assassin wrote:You both are ridiculous and if math is town we honestly deserve a town lose for the most ridiculous track on wingback.
I don't think that was stressed enough.

Predictions:
Smart flips scum
I shoot math, they flip town
Math actually tried to track me but I died and they don't realize how stupid their tracks are.

I am willing to go through with that regardless

I love how you don't even consider a possibility that I could be scum when you say you are scum reading me. This is beyond ridiculous. Not touching a smart lynch.

MathBlade · Post Post #1936 (isolation #99) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:33 pm

In post 1934, Something_Smart wrote:No, it isn't. It's considering the possibility that you're scum.

Of course, by PoE you're my third scum pick behind farside and Infinity. And you may be making your way up that list now, not sure yet.

@Everyone: could you see an Infinity/Fire team both claiming PR's without realizing that all the townies were VTs?

No. I don't. Too risky.

MathBlade · Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:18 am

In post 1942, Infinity 324 wrote:Ughh this game

Still think smart is town. I really liked his d1 play, and not doing much since then is pretty much NAI. I also liked his reaction to pressure, the dream thing for example doesn't confirm him as town but saying it does reads as town to me.

I don't want to overlap with mathblade, but I also don't think they should say their track target beforehand so not sure how to go about that.

If there's only one kill tomorrow you guys better fucking lynch fire.

If it is only me then maybe 50-50 Fire scum. But if we lynch scum and I am alive tomorrow lynch this with all due haste.

I am not announcing my track target touch cookies.

MathBlade · Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:18 am

Tough*

MathBlade · Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:13 am

Agreed w/ infinity. At work will check tonight.

MathBlade · Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 1962, farside22 wrote:I'm also going to point out fire had pressure day 1.
Infinity is alive and claimed cop so why is that not just as suspect for a cop to be alive this game?

This has been a point of mine all day.
Infinity was claimed cop.
Fire claimed vig.
MM outed as tracker.

Why was a VT shot?

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:10 am

Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:12 am

I also do wonder why the hell Titus has been so goddamn silent.

Calling my sister...where is your setup spec? You love this shit.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:21 am

In post 1978, Infinity 324 wrote:^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:28 am

In post 1980, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1973, Infinity 324 wrote:Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.
Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.
In post 1971, farside22 wrote:
In post 1969, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1961, farside22 wrote:Yeah your vote makes total sense.
Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?
Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.
Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

This only works if Shadow doesn't know I might track him. Otherwise scum adjust.

Again it isn't that there isn't logic behind what you are saying. It is that agreeing or disagreeing provides counters.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:41 am

In post 1983, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1979, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1978, Infinity 324 wrote:^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.
How do you know scum don't have a roleblocker?
Even with 2 PRs it wouldn't make much sense, with 1 just no. There's just not enough town for for an RB to be necessary/useful.

In post 1980, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1973, Infinity 324 wrote:Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.
Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.
True

I'd rather have 2 different results that are less reliable than one that is very reliable imo.

Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?
If fire is town, it keeps us in odds...I just don't see fire as town.

Am I missing something?

PEdit: wtf shadow? You think rb makes sense in this setup?

Assuming you and fire are telling the truth (which I still maintain is a stretch) a scum roleblocker would almost be needed to counter that power especially since town can buy. Assuming town wins the first pot -- Since person who buys is BP unless scum hit one of those PRs it turns into a 3 PR v scum situation. I don't see without some kind of balance scum not getting pwned. Roleblocker or some awesome scum PR would be required.

Me plus one PR isn't bad because then it ends up at two after N1. This is a lot more reasonable.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:42 am

In post 1985, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't know what scum have. I know roleblocker doesn't make sense. With 3 strong power roles it makes sense. Even if fire is somehow telling the truth, roleblocker wouldn't make sense in this setup.

Cop, vig, tracker. Mind telling me which of these isn't "strong"

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:50 am

Oh and Jailkeeper from shadow step. Forgot that in the list.

Off to work I go.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:57 pm

In post 1980, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1973, Infinity 324 wrote:Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.
Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.
In post 1971, farside22 wrote:
In post 1969, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1961, farside22 wrote:Yeah your vote makes total sense.
Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?
Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.
Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

No lynch is horrible.

If fire is scum then they just shoot me and fire has an out of I am vig and scum shot Math or no killed to frame me.

If fire town then the same occurs but fire genuinely believes this.

If you want to no lynch the proper play is to lynch me and then go into night so fire can adjust his reads and is forced to adapt that I am town.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:00 pm

In post 1992, Titus wrote:
In post 1880, Titus wrote:
In post 1876, Fire Assassin wrote:Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?
Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.
@Mathblade

1) I am town
2) this is not setup spec.
3) this is a problem if infinity is scum.
4) this is a problem of when I flip town whether fire is telling the truth or not.
5) this is not setup spec this is action dictating and doesn't tell us what you think.
6) this game is not as good as won because neither is confirmed and when I die my town flip will call those two into question.
7) what are your reads?

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:04 pm

In post 1995, farside22 wrote:
In post 1976, MathBlade wrote:Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.
You're joking right?
If you want to track Infinity I won't object but that doesn't stop the I was rb crap he could pull if he lies

In post 1978, Infinity 324 wrote:^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.
You're concerned why again?
In post 1980, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1973, Infinity 324 wrote:Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.
Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.
In post 1971, farside22 wrote:
In post 1969, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1961, farside22 wrote:Yeah your vote makes total sense.
Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?
Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.
Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?
No its don't see fire scum I explained that.
Your accusing fire of being scum while advocating a no lynch and clearly as I showed believing the claim from fire.

An RB person visits no one.
In a Math track infinity world (which may or may not happen) then infinity as town claims it right away. Then shadow step claims of they blocked infinity. If they did then shadow step is scum. If they didn't (or claim not to have) then I can confirm if Infinity was roleblocked if I live. If I do not live then my theory of scum have a roleblocker is right or Shadowstep is scum and we get information that way.

Any of the tracks have potential but only if I keep my mouth shut.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:08 pm

In post 2001, farside22 wrote:Sorry my post got in that quote.

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

1) Asumming shadow is scum, a hammer from shadow and rotating off of me takes time. Coming from nowhere and hammering smart makes it look like a bus. Similarly we are discussing mechanics. The more we talk about them instead of Titus doesn't have reads or who we think are scum and why there would be no interest in cutting off leaks to scum.

However this also points to Fire +Titus scum before. Scum IMHO can't hammer in this case.

MathBlade · Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:36 pm

In post 2011, farside22 wrote:
In post 1966, Alchemist21 wrote:
♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):
Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):
Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:
shadow step

NO LYNCH:
something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)
Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:55 am

Because the "case" against smart is non existent.
I have seen one point that isn't "smart is lurking let's policy lynch"
On the other hand I have demonstrated where multiple theories emerge.

I will hammer at end of day to prevent no lynch but IMHO Fire or Titus are better lynch candidates.

Whatever is going on with Titus is not normal Titus.

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:56 am

But I seriously HATE the fact Titus and Fire are on the wagon together it gives me the heebie jeebies.

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:33 am

No lynch is stupid. All it does is end in my death and then day starts over again tomorrow and people have to figure out if Fire is truth telling or not.

Infinity - If you believe I am town please cop Farside tonight. Their reads are terribad and without reason and leaves open the possibility of Farside/smart especially with the scum won't hammer post. If Farside is confirmed town having them decide the game IMO is best. If they are confirmed scum can duke it out.

Farside -- Same thing here. Smart's reads sketch me out on one of the two of you or Infinity being scum. This feels like 1800 something is very very wrong.

@Titus -- Correction. Using brain is town. Letting chips fall where they may is bad. How can you not see this?

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:41 am

In post 2019, Something_Smart wrote:ftr Infinity is leaning slightly more town and Fire slightly more scum.
My reads are something like:
TOWN -- Mathblade -- Titus -- Shadow_step -- Fire Assassin -- Infinity 324 -- farside22 -- SCUM
But they're not that strong so feel free to make this one of the games where everyone ignores my reads after I am lynched. (Usually they're terrible anyway.)

No they aren't. They are Farside and infinity. Why the change to fire?

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:45 am

In post 2024, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2023, MathBlade wrote:No lynch is stupid. All it does is end in my death and then day starts over again tomorrow and people have to figure out if Fire is truth telling or not.
What if Shadow were to JK you?

Infinity - If you believe I am town please cop Farside tonight. Their reads are terribad and without reason and leaves open the possibility of Farside/smart especially with the scum won't hammer post. If Farside is confirmed town having them decide the game IMO is best. If they are confirmed scum can duke it out.
True, except that Infinity inno'ing his partner is plausible here, whereas it wasn't before.

Farside -- Same thing here. Smart's reads sketch me out on one of the two of you or Infinity being scum. This feels like 1800 something is very very wrong.
Huh? My reads are farside and one of <Fire, Infinity> are scum.

@Titus -- Correction. Using brain is town. Letting chips fall where they may is bad. How can you not see this?
This is true, but sometimes using your brain is counterproductive. This may be one of those times.

That would be stupid because <redacted>.

If Infinity is scum this is 1800 all over again. If they aren't I am paranoid. If Infinity and Farside are confirmed going into the next day that would be a great world.

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:29 pm

A lynch will happen. I will hammer early AM if no one has yet. But I really think Smart is not scum.

It isn't through anything smart has done but more a logical inconsistencies.

MathBlade · Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:29 pm

God that is fugly.

How would you buy anything? And this game is called lynch scum.

*shivers*

You know what fuck it. That post is too damn creepy.

Intent to hammer tomorrow morning

MathBlade · Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:53 pm

Yeah

At work but I should have trusted my gut tracking Wingback. I thought infinity was up to something but I wifom'd wrong. If I had done it right I would have realized you were pulling an 1800. It always sat with me. At work. Good work infinity + shadow.

At least my two teams made sense.

Fire that claim fucked my reads though :/ if I wasn't worried about dying due to a vig then I actually could have breathing room. Instead I was arguing just not to lose