NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)
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Reading up on history, 25 pages in or so atm.-
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Okay, on page 45.
I gotta take a break. This has been quite the read so far.
Not really looking for impressions to build reads on that early, but the historical context seems to be worthy intel.-
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lol, nah. I haven't run into one of those on this site yet. Seems I roll red on another site.
Kinda interesting that you would have a go at me right off the bat. umadbro?-
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We'll see how my research pans out.
P-Edit: Can't really say, Psyche. Ongoing game stuff.-
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In post 4146, Mirhawk wrote:
Or you could just sheep Jiffy again seeing as how he's obviously the most reputable person here.
Glancing back at the scum lynch, I find it odd that you call Majiffy the most reputable person here when he had no part of it.
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Granted, I haven't read allfreakin' pages, but that's a pretty odd claim to run across under those circumstances.167-
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Now my curiosity is aroused. ISOing Majiffy for giggles.-
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In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:In post 1112, T S O wrote:But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?
Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.
I'm much stronger on Tree than Psyche or Aeronaut.
Most of my scumreads on them necessitate Tree flipping.
In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:In post 1112, T S O wrote:But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?
Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.
I'm much stronger on Tree than Psyche or Aeronaut.
Most of my scumreads on them necessitate Tree flipping.
Dafuk? Tunnel a guy for 3 days, then flip on a dime? Aside from tunneling his target du jour, he seems to do a lot of fluff posting.
Majiffy, what was your read on Psych back on the 24th? You two liked to go back and forth, but I missed an actual read of him among the sea of posts.
So... hardcore tunneling for 3 days, just to wander off and forget about his big bad scum read the rest of the day, fluff central, absence on a scum lynch... and this guy is our most reputable player?
Granted he's no tree and all... but I want Elyse back up in hyur. Her posting was impressive (the 60 pages I read of it before my eyeballs started smoking).
P-Edit: Eh, a solo vote doesn't mean much, but noted. I'm not throwing this post out though, so deal with it.-
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Initial reads based on half-assed research:
Shaddowez- Town (serious sauce, no fluff, extra side of scum hunting)
Majiffy- Towny Scum (fluff & tunnel, fluff & tunnel; FLIP!)
notscience - Anti-Town (self-voting (I heard that's bad, somewhere), fluff master; seems to put a lot of thought in his reads, though)
Psyche- Scum (Could he possibly post more and say less? I don't think so...)
Mirhawk- Town (Appeasey 481 flipped back to abrasive 483, like he knew he may have slipped; Votes Elyse scum...seriously?; Allowed some pretty basic logic to flip his read on Majiffy... he should have seen that himself; I did. Later posts are redemptive, though.)
Marquis- Town (As much as I hate it)
reinoe- Scummy Town (introduced the possibility of Titus PR; ADVOCATING TEXTING & DRIVING!)-
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Will read & post more later, I'm freakin' sleepy.
This game is a time sink.-
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In post 4158, shaddowez wrote:In post 4156, House wrote:Psyche - Scum (Could he possibly post more and say less? I don't think so...)
Marquis - Town (As much as I hate it)
I'm assuming you haven't gotten there yet, but Marquis and Psyche are claiming masons. Considering you're listing one as town and one as scum, which do you think is more likely?
In post 4157, House wrote:Will read & post more later, I'm freakin' sleepy.
This game is a time sink.
Yeah, I definitely don't envy anybody coming into this game late.
Nope, not there yet. Wouldn't be the first time i was wrong, by any means.-
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In post 4160, Majiffy wrote:This looks really fucking cherry picked and you're lucky I had such a strong townread on Alina.
Why, would you tunnel me for three days and flip to Psyche?
Anyway as I said, these are initial impressions based on what ice read so far and not final reads.
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Vote: Oka
I call BS on the X-Shot doctor post. That sounds like a PR claim custom made to dodge a CC from a real doc.
Haven't seen any blocked attacks either, considering scum & SK have been happily going about their business withoutanymisses at all.
If I've missed a whiff from scum/SK somewhere, somebody please enlighten me. From what I've read, there seems to be 5 NK's in 3 nights (because scum & SK tag teamed titus, not due to doc block).-
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In post 4167, OkaPoka wrote:Scum and sk tried to crosskill each other, and I couldn't protect titus so your case is invalid. So you are literally going to continue the tunnel alina has constructed and continue digging?
Still catching up, I haven't even read her posts yet. I ran across talk of your X-shot doc claim while reading up on Majiffy and it stank of scum.
I played scum in a multiball setup on another site, and my partner in that game used a similar tactic with his fakeclaim to avoid a CC.-
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Wake modded that game too, interestingly enough.-
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In post 4167, OkaPoka wrote:Scum and sk tried to crosskill each other, and I couldn't protect titus so your case is invalid. So you are literally going to continue the tunnel alina has constructed and continue digging?
And you misconstrued my post. I want blaming you for not protecting titus, I was simply saying there was only one kill that night BECAUSE they tag teamed titus, NOT BECAUSE you blocked the SECOND kill.-
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In post 4175, OkaPoka wrote:So you rolled scum House? Make sense with HOW YOU ARE SO SIMILAR WITH ALINA.
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In post 4166, House wrote:Vote: Oka
I call BS on the X-Shot doctor post. That sounds like a PR claim custom made to dodge a CC from a real doc.
Haven't seen any blocked attacks either, considering scum & SK have been happily going about their business withoutanymisses at all.
If I've missed a whiff from scum/SK somewhere, somebody please enlighten me. From what I've read, there seems to be 5 NK's in 3 nights (because scum & SK tag teamed titus, not due to doc block).
In post 4168, House wrote:
I played scum in a multiball setup on another site, and my partner in that game used a similar tactic with his fakeclaim to avoid a CC.
Echo. Because it annoys scumOka.-
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In post 3345, OkaPoka wrote:So here goes nothing.
I was going to claim a cop since I was getting called scum and didn't want to be lynched as doc. You see I was going to claim cop to take a bullet. And my "special plan" was to protect myself, as in my role pm it did not say I couldn't protect myself. I did not want to cause a mess so I didn't claim in thread, but talked in qt suggesting it. Wake clarified with me, that I couldn't protect myself.
Finally after that was clarified I considered a pgo claim to make it so I wouldn't die.
I kept this "special plan" to scare scum.
There is my explanation
I'm pretty fucking new to Mafia, but even I smell the b/s this is saturated with.
You would think a supposed PR would know how his role is supposed to work before he/she gambits with it. Especially in this case,where the fact a doctor can't self-protect isBOLDED IN THE WIKI.
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In post 3345, OkaPoka wrote:So here goes nothing.
Y'know, I used to use that phrase as a child... right before I took a huge risk and knew I'd be in major trouble if I failed.-
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In post 4183, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4152, House wrote:In post 4146, Mirhawk wrote:
Or you could just sheep Jiffy again seeing as how he's obviously the most reputable person here.
Glancing back at the scum lynch, I find it odd that you call Majiffy the most reputable person here when he had no part of it.
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Granted, I haven't read allfreakin' pages, but that's a pretty odd claim to run across under those circumstances.167
Aero lynch happened in less than 26 hours based on a counterclaim.
Counterclaim apparently means nothing in this game. If true, that's a stupid reason to lynch somebody. We got lucky, because that kind of logic is terribad.-
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In post 4184, PeregrineV wrote:Wow, 3 pages of not much.
@House- please read my spec on the neighborhoods and scum existence/distribution in them. Also read my posts on the voting patterns and counts. It's all in my ISO. Would like to see your thought-out comments.
I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger. Wake loves his random distros.-
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In post 4190, OkaPoka wrote:In post 4178, House wrote:In post 3345, OkaPoka wrote:So here goes nothing.
I was going to claim a cop since I was getting called scum and didn't want to be lynched as doc. You see I was going to claim cop to take a bullet. And my "special plan" was to protect myself, as in my role pm it did not say I couldn't protect myself. I did not want to cause a mess so I didn't claim in thread, but talked in qt suggesting it. Wake clarified with me, that I couldn't protect myself.
Finally after that was clarified I considered a pgo claim to make it so I wouldn't die.
I kept this "special plan" to scare scum.
There is my explanation
I'm pretty fucking new to Mafia, but even I smell the b/s this is saturated with.
You would think a supposed PR would know how his role is supposed to work before he/she gambits with it. Especially in this case,where the fact a doctor can't self-protect isBOLDED IN THE WIKI.
It's no wonder Alina was tunneling you, you're scum!
HEY YOU! IN MY ROLE PM IT DIDN'T STATE I COULDN'T PROTECT MYSELF. ALSO IN SOME VARIATIONS DOCTORS CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES! SO READ THE ENTIRE THING! I HAD TO BE SURE!
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Of course it didn't say you couldn't protect yourself.I it also didn't say you couldn't protect anyone else. Nor did it say you could.
The wiki states quite plainly doctor can't self-protect.Variationswould need to be specified in a role pm, NOT vanilla attributes.
Sorry, but I'm not as easily suckered as some other folks.-
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In post 4188, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4187, House wrote:In post 4184, PeregrineV wrote:Wow, 3 pages of not much.
@House- please read my spec on the neighborhoods and scum existence/distribution in them. Also read my posts on the voting patterns and counts. It's all in my ISO. Would like to see your thought-out comments.
I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger. Wake loves his random distros.
Crunch some numbers. Randomly, what is the odds of at least one scum in each hood?
How many scum? How many neighborhoods, three? Are we also including the SK in the scum total, or are they a separate consideration?
Math was never my super strong suit, but I can give it a shot, or you can just tell us since I'm sure you've already done it.-
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In post 4191, OkaPoka wrote:In post 4187, House wrote:In post 4184, PeregrineV wrote:Wow, 3 pages of not much.
@House- please read my spec on the neighborhoods and scum existence/distribution in them. Also read my posts on the voting patterns and counts. It's all in my ISO. Would like to see your thought-out comments.
I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger. Wake loves his random distros.
You are speculating that I am lying. Oh wait
Your lies aren't setup spec, they are scum fabrications.-
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In post 4197, notscience wrote:House's read on me
Eh, that was my initial impression.
My read is leaning SK, because SK can easily blend in with town by scum hunting, which bus then town cred and makes it easier to overlook the anti-town tendencies.-
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In post 4203, House wrote:In post 4197, notscience wrote:House's read on me
Eh, that was my initial impression.
My read is leaning SK, because SK can easily blend in with town by scum hunting, which buys them town cred and makes it easier to overlook the anti-town tendencies.
Fix't. FU autocorrect.-
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Oka sure is squirming a lot for one piddly ass newbie poking them with a stick.
If I was a PR, I wouldn't be trying to kick up such a fuss unless the wagon got wheels.-
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Gameplay, come to the Oka side.
I'm serving doublestuft oreos and milk.-
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I don't see how SK hunting is inherently scummy.
If you can cut the number of NK's in half with a single lynch, shouldn't that be agoodthing? o_O-
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Because of his painfully obvious fakeclaim.-
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Speaking of which, arealclaim might be nice about now Oka.-
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notscience, what would you think of a day vig who doesn't care about anyone else's input and chose his targets based on his own criteria without explaining such vig shots to town? Would you be okay with lynching such a player?
If so, how is a serial killer better than such a day vig? SK has to kill town just as much as scum does, and town helps SK by hunting their scum competition.-
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In post 4258, Marquis wrote:no he's being wagoned because reinoe decided to claim a role that makes his claim unlikelier
if oka was the only claimed protective role, no you can't just say it's a "painfully obvious fakeclaim"
It's quite obvious that I can, since I was saying that very thing before reinoe claimed.-
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In post 4264, Marquis wrote:usual/optimal sk play is trying to be a town vig with a bit of "if you're scumreading me then gtfo" on the side
I'm seeing that kind of play in another game, so yeah.-
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In post 4266, Marquis wrote:no. the claim was legitimate in the scenario that it was the only claimed town protective role, which lasted until reinoe decided to claim
speaking of which i'm still upset over how he didn't claim the shield role earlier on given that titus had an innocent result on him making him a potential nk soon anyway and since the shield claim could have saved us from a mislynch from his point of view
i'm still nowhere near convinced that reinoe isn't just pulling shit out of his ass in the form of a pseudo-fake guilty
First != Trustworthy.
The whole claim smacks of fake construct.-
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Interestingly enough, oka made it to L-1 pretty quick with reinoe's claim. Actually didn't think votes would pile on so fast. Maybe we can get him lynched after all.
But there's little doubt one claim or the other is fake. Of course, if I'm wrong about oka, it would have to be reinoe. Must have a scummer between the two of them, though. Bleh, not as certain as I initially was, but still happy with my vote.-
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That was scummy as fuck.
Thanks for the vote... but damn dude, that 180 was like whoa.-
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In post 4276, gameplay506 wrote:I am cop cleared. So suck my ass.
If this flips town you die tomorrow.
Cop cleared doesn't mean conf town. II SK & Godfather can be cop cleared.-
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Goes from defending oka to knowingly hammering without posting intent in one post...
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In post 4282, reinoe wrote:Marquis wrote:no. the claim was legitimate in the scenario that it was the only claimed town protective role, which lasted until reinoe decided to claim
speaking of which i'm still upset over how he didn't claim the shield role earlier on given that titus had an innocent result on him making him a potential nk soon anyway and since the shield claim could have saved us from a mislynch from his point of view
i'm still nowhere near convinced that reinoe isn't just pulling shit out of his ass in the form of a pseudo-fake guilty
I'm am not engaging in a pseudo-guilty gambit. Not after all the shit I took early in this game where people were begging me not to gambit.
You misread his post. He said pseudo-fake.
Pseudo = fake. So pseudo-fake = fake-fake = true.
He was saying you were running a true guilty gambit.
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In post 4284, OkaPoka wrote:Fuck. I was a regular doc gambitting so I could save myself for lylo.
Goodamnit.
That's bullshit too (the logic, I mean). A claimed doc is a claimed doc.-
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In post 4310, OkaPoka wrote:Me claiming limited shots allows me to preserve myself and you guys go after me thinking I am scum so I am essentially a VT.
My point being, if scum wanted to keel PR or those considered conftown, they'd still target you.
They seem to be after the stronger players this game instead, so folks like you and I don't really have anything to worry about from scum, it's town that will likely getusme.-
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In post 4313, Marquis wrote:never mind that titus was a claimed macho investigative role and there have been and still are better targets for scum than oka due to how much he's been scumread
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In post 4315, OkaPoka wrote:In post 4312, House wrote:In post 4310, OkaPoka wrote:Me claiming limited shots allows me to preserve myself and you guys go after me thinking I am scum so I am essentially a VT.
My point being, if scum wanted to keel PR or those considered conftown, they'd still target you.
They seem to be after the stronger players this game instead, so folks like you and I don't really have anything to worry about from scum, it's town that will likely getusme.
lol. makin justificications for lynchin a pr.
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kill him with fire
I lynched a fake claim.
You admitted to it.
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Happy now?
Because clearly scum wouldnever dareclaim doctor because doctor is so easy to confirm since the blocked kills are announced to town.OH WAIT!
In post 4317, OkaPoka wrote:
It was fucking obvious that my 3 shots was gambit. It was obvious I was being stealthy. It was obvious I was a pr. It was obvious and blatant that I was selfpreserving. Yet as soon as you read alina's iso you go on an insane mastermind of herp a derp lets lynch oka cuz he isn't doctor.
I hadn't even touched Alina's ISO until you accused me of following her tunnel because I had no reason to before that point. I was still reading aboutactiveplayers.
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You didn't even consider reinoe and his BLATANTLY overpowered role and you went lets be dumb and keep on tunneling yo.
There's time for reinoe tomorrow, assuming he lives through the night... considering kills haven't been blocked period, hell no I don't buy his b/s claim.
Yeah, I don't town read liars, sorry.
In post 4317, OkaPoka wrote:
Your case was exactly what alina said. Yet when you say it, it magically has powers? No because you didn't realize that "hint hint" scum sheeped you while no other wagon happened and rekt me.
Right, because people will believe an experienced player over my newb ass. Your butthurt is showing.
That's a flat out lie, but I'm stating the obvious here as you have a history of doing that.
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That was scummy as fuck.
Thanks for the vote... but damn dude, that 180 was like whoa.-
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In post 4275, House wrote:
That was scummy as fuck.
Thanks for the vote... but damn dude, that 180 was like whoa.-
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In post 4324, reinoe wrote:In post 4319, OkaPoka wrote:(If you couldn't tell I fell super salty about house)
i think I'm actually not going to post anymore as every post just pisses me off more and more.
Oka, I claimed because I couldn't wrap my mind around a claimed doctor not getting killed. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt and considered the possibility that there could be two protective roles, especially since mine is limited. But there were some things about your play I also didn't like. I realized that if I claimed one of us would get lynched. If you're town doctor then we got set-up fucked. But it's the type of setup I could see myself running which is why I didn't cc right away.
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For all these protective PR claims, ain't nobody being protected.
Reinoe's broken ass claim makes the least sense of the 3.
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In post 4343, PeregrineV wrote:Vote: House
One time, at band camp...
I mean, one time, in this game I modded, a scum player replaced in and proceeded to get the white mage lynched.
Right, I was the only person that called bs on that retarded claim.
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In post 4320, House wrote:
In post 4317, OkaPoka wrote:
You didn't even consider reinoe and his BLATANTLY overpowered role and you went lets be dumb and keep on tunneling yo.
There's time for reinoe tomorrow, assuming he lives through the night... considering kills haven't been blocked period, hell no I don't buy his b/s claim.-
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In post 4354, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4351, House wrote:For all these protective PR claims, ain't nobody being protected.
Reinoe's broken ass claim makes the least sense of the 3.
VOTE: reinoe
In post 4187, House wrote:I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger.
Misrep is bad, yo.-
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In post 4356, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4353, House wrote:In post 4343, PeregrineV wrote:Vote: House
One time, at band camp...
I mean, one time, in this game I modded, a scum player replaced in and proceeded to get the white mage lynched.
Right, I was the only person that called bs on that retarded claim.
Whatevs.
In post 4330, Wake1 wrote:(LYNCH): House, notscience, Shaddowez, Skybird,OkaPoka, Town Doc,reinoe, Gameplay506Majiffy
No, you managed to convince notscience, Skybird, reinoe and gamplay, as well as scum-Majiffy.
Which one took the most convincing? Which was the hardest sell to get them to join? Who had the most reservations?
As has already been pointed out, reinoe's bs claim out of nowhere is what gave the wagon wheels.-
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In post 4359, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4357, House wrote:In post 4354, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4351, House wrote:For all these protective PR claims, ain't nobody being protected.
Reinoe's broken ass claim makes the least sense of the 3.
VOTE: reinoe
In post 4187, House wrote:I think speculation is weak grounds to advocate a lynch, or even point a finger.
Misrep is bad, yo.
I didn't say it, you did. What is being misrepresented?
Neighborhood make-up was being discussed there.
If you are going to quote me, then use the entire post since you like to twist shit.-
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In post 4358, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4355, House wrote:In post 4320, House wrote:
In post 4317, OkaPoka wrote:
You didn't even consider reinoe and his BLATANTLY overpowered role and you went lets be dumb and keep on tunneling yo.
There's time for reinoe tomorrow, assuming he lives through the night... considering kills haven't been blocked period, hell no I don't buy his b/s claim.
You think he a Godfather? Titus investigated him and called him town.
That or II SK
Cop town isn't conf town.-
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