NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)
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In post 7, killapenwin wrote:In post 5, dragonspawn wrote:VOTE: I am innocent
cause clearly anyone who was truly innocent wouldn't have to advertise
By that rationale have you just exposed yourself as scum?
where have I advertised anything?
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In post 17, d3x wrote:I had planned on Bus'ing him much later, but he just wouldn't leave well enough alone. He forced my hand.
so the two of you are scum? Odd admission this early in the game.-
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In post 21, TheDudeAbides wrote:Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.
I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning-
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In post 23, d3x wrote:
That's certainly one way to read that post.In post 18, dragonspawn wrote:In post 17, d3x wrote:I had planned on Bus'ing him much later, but he just wouldn't leave well enough alone. He forced my hand.
so the two of you are scum? Odd admission this early in the game.
What are your thoughts on him {pen}?
not sure yet. The fact that he starts off showing he didn't bother to see who is playing and the omgused in the next post dont exactly scream town to me. But it's still too early for me to get a feel on whether I think he is scum.-
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In post 34, YuniChikako wrote:Not randomly voting because it has never ended well for me. I'm not a part of this "system".
So:
VOTE: firebound12
Because turtles.
what system are you not a part of? And why does it look like you're random voting when you say you aren't.-
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In post 35, d3x wrote:
Well, it could also be a joke playing off of DGB's post. Claiming Scum on page 1 and outing your partner are generally not things done legitimately around here.In post 28, dragonspawn wrote:Btw since busing involves one scum throwing his partner under a bus I'm not sure how I was supposed to read it other than as a claim that you guys are partners
@Yuni- Define "randomly voting" plz.
jokes are supposed to be funny. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you aren't feeling scummy so far.-
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In post 45, I Am Innocent wrote:It's because of turtles...I mean, who doesn't love turtles?
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In post 55, Randomnamechange wrote:Garmr wrote:In post 52, I Am Innocent wrote:Even tho it took him 2 guesses?
I thought it was a typo.
Typos are used by scum as excuses for flips.
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In post 66, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 63, killapenwin wrote:Talking, interacting, maybe discuss set up, what the title of the thread might mean, introducing yourself etc. All of these progress your reads of other players so far and provides the rest of town with information. There is quite a bit we could start on, it is not really that difficult to use your imagination.
Well set up is off limits this early in the game, cause that could lead to outing power roles.
But the rest I'm game. I'm town, I have nothing to hide. So talk to me, interact with me, show me how this is done.
Cause honestly, RVS works for me. I'm getting a feel for a few players...but if this helps you, let's do it.
you keep making it a point to claim you are town when no on has accused you, except my random vote. It's making me think my random vote may have had some merit after all.-
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In post 76, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 26, dragonspawn wrote:I'm buddies with someone I don't know
I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.
if you don't know then you clearly can't read. But we both know you can since you managed to edit the post and cut off half the question as well as the request for you to produce some sort of reasoning for your accusation that I was buddying someone who I still haven't even seen a post from.
the question at this point is why go to the lengths of making an accusation, then editing the post asking you to back it up to try to incriminate me. It doesn't make any sense. It's also pretty darn scummy. But is that because you are scum o just completely insane and dishonest? I'm not sure yet. But you've definitely attracted my attention.
so would you please answer the original question of why you think I'm buddying Nero? I fugue the more you talk the easier it will be to determine your alignment.-
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In post 84, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 76, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 26, dragonspawn wrote:I'm buddies with someone I don't know
I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.
He is telegraphing that he is a traitor and would like the scum to recruit him via NK.
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In post 78, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 33, Garmr wrote:Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn
Why him and not Nero? Nero would have made more sense in context.
maybe he just recognizes greatness when he sees it and would like to see what we could create in future games.
or more likely he was just giving you a hard time for silly posts.-
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In post 112, TheDudeAbides wrote:If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.
I did. In the question you cut apart.-
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In post 154, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: TDA
Though I do find it very interesting that dragonspawn never called out TDA on his misrep and actually tried to argue it as a genuine case.
DGB hopping on the misrep is also yucky.
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In post 155, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 131, YuniChikako wrote:Spoiler: dragonspawn and TDA stuffs that ended up being a bit long because quotes and redundancy(?)
Had dragonspawn not responded so aggressively rvs would have been dragged out even longer than need be.
you can't give me all the credit. Without tda saying stupid things I wouldn't have needed to say anything. I dislike stupid reasoning-
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In post 147, evilpacman18 wrote:Did we catch scum already? Huh. Good work team.
Judging by that VC, ABR is probably town too, which is fun.
did we? I'm not sure. We have some leads though.
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In post 167, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 163, dragonspawn wrote:So editing a quote to say something it doesn't mean isn't scummy?
That didn't happen.
so everyone is imagining that you cut a question in half, pulled it out of context as a response to accusation, made it a statement to try to make it look like I am claiming to buddy someone who hadn't posted at the time? I suppose all the votes for you based on this not happening aren't really there either?
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In post 170, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is not the time for discussion. This is the time for quicklynch and hammertime.
why on earth should we quick lynch anyone?-
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In post 182, TheDudeAbides wrote:Do you think that he used the fact that he didn't know Nero as a reason for why he couldn't be buddies with Nero.
it would be difficult to be buddies with someone I don't know and still haven't interacted with.-
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In post 183, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 169, dragonspawn wrote:In post 167, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 163, dragonspawn wrote:So editing a quote to say something it doesn't mean isn't scummy?
That didn't happen.
so everyone is imagining that you cut a question in half, pulled it out of context as a response to accusation, made it a statement to try to make it look like I am claiming to buddy someone who hadn't posted at the time? I suppose all the votes for you based on this not happening aren't really there either?
if you really believe that nonsense there is no reasoning with you
I never said that you tried to buddy someone. You should probably try actually reading.
I want you to explain in detail, how I changed the meaning of your sentence. Because I don't think I did.
I seriously hope you aren't town because it annoys me to no end when we lose because our fellow townies insist on lying, especially for stupid reasons.-
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In post 180, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I believe in the righteousness of our bandwagon.
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In post 181, killapenwin wrote:I'm happy to vote TDA but would rather the round last a bit longer as to give an opportunity to develop reads on other people rather than just revert back to RVS day 2 in order to generate more leads. I'm holding off changing my vote right now for that reason.
@TDA the reason your truncated quote of him was scummy is because it changed the context of the sentence to something he wasn't trying to say.
I agree that the is no need to rush. But I don't think we will be near RVs next round. This round has already given us alot of info and the night kill will likely give more.-
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In post 186, TheDudeAbides wrote:I didn't ask you, but is that a yes?
of course it's a yes. It's one of two reasons your accusation made no sense.
and now you're claiming you never made one. Lying is such a stupid way to play this game if you are town unless someone is asking if you are a power role.-
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In post 191, TheDudeAbides wrote:So Dragonspawn is scum. He's avoiding answering my questions and the fact that he still thinks I was arguing that he was buddying Nero means that he hasn't read any of my posts.
the fact that you're trying to claim you didn't when anyone can look at the quote which causes me to ask you the question you edited tells me that you've got a serious problem being honest.
and I quoted it on page two. And I know you saw it because you edited my response.
how exactly do you think your denial is going to persuade anyone not to lynch you?-
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In post 201, TheDudeAbides wrote:and Dragonspawn:
In post 188, TheDudeAbides wrote:THEN WHY IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU SAY IT BECAUSE THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. WHY SHOULD I CONSIDER IT WHEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU BEING BUDDIES WITH NERO?
because I gave you that information in the response you edited-
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In post 192, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 72, Kid A wrote:In post 71, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 60, killapenwin wrote:I am not actually a fan of RVS, I feel it just gives scum the opportunity to vote without reasoning, which I do not think is good for town.
It's the part of the game that is the most revealing of the player's inner conflict.
who do you think is mafia based on this rvs?
Kid A is not reading the game and is scum.
because he asked you a question?
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In post 202, DrippingGoofball wrote:TOWN
DGB
TheDudeAbides
Flubbernugget
Peacebringer
Garmr
NEUTRAL
Nero Cain
randomidget
YuniChikako
DESIGNATED LURKSACKS
golden009
Drake Crusader
DERP?
killapenwin
evilpacman18
SCUM
ABR
d3x
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dragonspawn
Kid A
I Am Innocent
firebound12
Townies: Please try to be more convincing, thanks.
why you those picks? How many scum do you think there are?-
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In post 209, DrippingGoofball wrote:
How come you're not badgering your buddy evilpacman for not answering MY legitimate questions?
I'm evils buddy now? He hasn't answered my questions either if you haven't noticed.
right now you are here and he isn't. Otherwise I would be asking him questions.-
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In post 207, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 203, dragonspawn wrote:the fact that you're trying to claim you didn't when anyone can look at the quote which causes me to ask you the question you edited tells me that you've got a serious problem being honest.
No Dragonspawn.
I have never once suggested that the problem with post is that it looks like you were buddying Nero.
It's true that if you just read the cut off part of it that it looks like that,
but that has never once been my point, and there is no way that you can be reading the thread and still think that.
In post 204, dragonspawn wrote:because I gave you that information in the response you edited
No you didn't. Not even close. You continued on to say that Nero hasn't posted yet, and that you would love to know my reasoning. That in no way answers my questions.
not sure what else I can say to someone who will pathologically lie so much. I could say it's night time and you'd say it was noon.-
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In post 21, TheDudeAbides wrote:Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.
this is apparently TDA not claiming that I am buddying nero.
apparently I've never quoted it before despite me having quotes it in the response where I asked him his reasoning, that he responded to by editing my question.
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In post 219, TheDudeAbides wrote:Dragonspawn, if you are confusing buddying with buddies with, you should probably replace out of this game.
claiming I am confusing something to backtrack is pretty scummy. I know what buddying is. Which is why I also know it's impossible to buddy someone I don't know and who hasn't posted. See, in order to buddy someone in this game, you need to have some sort of interaction. At this point I still don't have any interactions with Nero. And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made yo. Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.-
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In post 221, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 220, Garmr wrote:In post 219, TheDudeAbides wrote:Dragonspawn, if you are confusing buddying with buddies with, you should probably replace out of this game.
Even when he confused buddying with buddies his arguments still make a lot more sense than anything I ever seen you produce.
You're a clown.
he is far more amusing than you are and makes some sense too. You could learn from him.-
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In post 246, TheDudeAbides wrote:You disgust me.
funny, you don't seem to like it when others do I, but you didn't have any problems doing it earlier.
again who do you think your fooling. It's not like anyone hasn't read the first page or the times you've been quoted by now.-
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In post 238, firebound12 wrote:
Explain to me how that is any indication of me being scum. And later on you put me on your scum list as if I was confirmt scum. Little quick on the accusation here?
In post 143, Kid A wrote:In post 94, TheDudeAbides wrote:I just ISO'd myself, and noohing I've said could possibly be described as a nasty hack job.
VOTE: thedudeabides
Please elaborate on your vote. I ISO'ed you and you have not explained any reasoning against TDA. People seems to be so trigger happy with their votes without explaining why.
In post 170, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is not the time for discussion. This is the time for quicklynch and hammertime.
In post 176, dragonspawn wrote:In post 170, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is not the time for discussion. This is the time for quicklynch and hammertime.
why on earth should we quick lynch anyone?
In post 181, killapenwin wrote:I'm happy to vote TDA but would rather the round last a bit longer as to give an opportunity to develop reads on other people rather than just revert back to RVS day 2 in order to generate more leads. I'm holding off changing my vote right now for that reason.
I agree with DS and killapenwin, quicklynching will only help scum. ABR are you suggesting something about you by inviting everyone to wagon?
In post 194, DrippingGoofball wrote:DudeAbides is town.
Again, pretending to give facts with no reasoning.
my issue with DG isn't him just giving his reads with no reason. My problem with him is not answering any questions about his reads while demanding answers from everyone else.
I can't figure out if ABR is acting the way he is to draw scum out as some sort of strategy or is just completely random.-
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In post 250, d3x wrote:--Thoughts--
Early issues with pen- CogDis with p60 in the context of p13. This is a big problem for me. p61 is also an issue. He over explains the IAI player list thing by dropping the Newb card, but completely avoids the OMGUS issue... again. Delves into a potentially distracting theory debate instead of doing the thing he's talking about doing. Further, he is still holding onto an RVS Vote while bemoaning the merits of the RVS.
@dragon44- Does pen's CogDis bother you as much as Yuni's?
@fire- Why do you keep explaining your RVSes? ...does not want.
@Peace64- Are you Voting because you see a VI PL in the making or because you legit feel he's scummy?
DudeWagon is fine, I guess. penWagon would be infinitely better. I'm not sure I get the FlubWagon.
you make some good points. And those posts do bother me. I have a hard time buying the I just didn't know explanation.
I completely forgot about the question I asked yuni. I'd still like an answer. I'm clearly too distracted with TDA today.
I'm calling town here. Just feels right.-
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In post 259, TheDudeAbides wrote:That's not semantics. It's DS pushing an unbelievable argument.
and what argument is that? That you said what you said? That you have a double standard for complaining about game doing what you did?
because id you haven't noticed I haven't been arguing to lynch you. I've been asking questions and responding to yours to give yourself more time to talk. And you are hanging ourself-
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In post 285, TheDudeAbides wrote:If you don't want to lynch me, why did you ask me to claim?
I didn't say I didn't want to lynch you. I said I wasn't arguing for it. I'm letting you make the case for it.
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In post 288, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 223, dragonspawn wrote:Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.
editing quotes again? Seriously-
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Neighbors eh? Well that explains TDAs obsession with Nero at the beginning. Problem is the assumption that since they are neighbors one or them must be scum. Last game I played with neighbors I was in a hood with pacman. Everyone assumed there had to be scum among us and there wasn't.
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In post 337, Garmr wrote:I'm just going to ignore tda for a bit and focus on other people it's starting to clog the thread with his shit.
I decided to do that when he decided to chop quotes again. There is no reasoning with someone when they deny doing what they do. I will only interact with him if he makes any relevant post on another issue.-
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I'm not following the reasoning here. If he is scum his team wouldn't know about the hood until either he dies and his role is revealed or he talks to them. Am I missing something?
and yes it does seem a bit early for town to be revealing all that.-
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In post 378, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 374, dragonspawn wrote:yes it does seem a bit early for town to be revealing all that.
Ok, what advantage does it give scum, and why should town in general, and why in particular should town whose been shot, not reveal that they are in a neighbourhood?
you weren't actually shot.
it gives scum a chance to stir up chaos by focusing on the hood with the false assumption that someone there has to be scum.
it's totally inconsiderate to out the hood without discussing it with your neighbors unless it you are doing it to make a scum accusation or defend someone in that hood.-
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In post 461, Randomnamechange wrote:In post 456, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so lynch happy?
Game doesnt seem to be going anywhere
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I'm more inclined to believe tda is just a bad town player right now rather than scum. So leaving my vote on him at this point would be a policy lynch. And while I don't relish his game play lasting to later rounds, it seems prudent to me vote on a better scum choice.
VOTE: killpen
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What is to explain about my vote change? I thought it was fairly clear.
1) tda comes across as more of a foolish town than scum so my vote at this point would be a policy vote.
2) I was already suspecting killpen from earlier interactions.
3) voting for someone I think is scum is better than a policy reason.
though I must admit tda trying to claim I haven't explained non existent buddying doesn't make sense to me. If I start thinking tda is scum again I'll be going back to him-
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So we are hanging up on you because you didn't vote for tda? That makes no sense. If we want tda dead, why would we vote for you rather than him? And if we don't want him dead why would we hate you for not voting for him?
stop being so full of yourself to think any of us are voting for you out of hate. It's not worth the effort to hate over a game like this-
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In post 539, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 538, d3x wrote:If pen is Hammered before Kthx posts anything of significance, I'll be very put off.
It'll make that player slot guaranteed scum.
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In post 549, Kthxbye wrote:More of an in depth skim than full read. I was confused for a minute why you were calling "pen" scum while voting killa, but then realized they were one in the same later.
I'll read up real quick in detail.
-I see in p250, you saw what I saw from a quick killa ISO.
-p344 is where I got the hood with at least you, dude, and garmr in it. Later (p490) I see it's Nero, dude, and you with Garmr faking a dayvig to out it. You think Dude is town for it but now I'm interested in your thoughts on Nero. This matters since if we can read it as a town block, that's to our advantage. From your ISO revolving around this, I'm getting strong town vibes from you unless BOTH of you and Dude were scum, which I agree with your reasoning why he's not and the fact that you pointed it out makes me get warm fuzzies from you as well. Make sense?
There, that's a full ISO read.
I have 2 of the hood as town for the way it came out and what was posted surrounding it. Now, how about your Nero read (along with the above quesitons)?
dragonspawn wrote:I'm finding kth to be town so far. I like what I've seen so much.
What if I told you that this is completely opposite of my town meta in Large games?
then I'd be watching you a bit closely because arguing that this isn't your town game would make no sense really. Hence why I would have to figure it out.
it's still early. Just giving my first impression that's all.