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"Feeling" that Ozgin and GM are town doesn't really mean a whole lot.
I'd be pressing the issue harder if I didn't have the opportunity to get people to lynch Kitz.Retired.
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@Cheeto: What part of my read progression are you not getting? I've explained all of that already.
I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.
@GM: This post was my main issue with you, and you're doing it again. You've got a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves in your "would lynch" list and you're putting no effort into figuring out who it isagain.Retired.
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*Was my main issue then.
It doesn't even require meta to back up. It's scummy on it's own and the more you put off explaining your reads the worse it looks.Retired.
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In post 4617, Kitz wrote:In post 4614, Shinobi wrote:I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.
The first one, what?
You're saying that it's better to kill me because I call you suspicious?
Okay. Lynch everyone else for also having an opinion.
The second one, half of those are constructive, and the half rest is poking you with a stick due to the gut feel.
The third, I didn't push a lynch on you.
So yeah, back to basics :
I first poked on you for having said to see no discrepancies with ABR.
Then later I decided to read you town, because I couldn't really find much...
Then I ISO'd you and TSO and found some weird rivalry, so I casually asked him a read of you.
And then I got a bit suspicious of some things I forgot, something about contex-of-eachothers or something, so you were on "potential scum" team list, but now the two others are dead, sooooo...
Then I called you on something, and mentioned that rivalry thingy.
And then you wrote that you're no longer townreading because of my big post which is a blatant rant.
I again casually mention that riv thingie.
Then I call out on you for your bad opinion with no third alternate.
Also, one of the times I poked you, I called you Shinoby just to subtly taunt you.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you were scum, and that some certain other's the scum mate, but really, the read is just solid.
There's no actual slip other than the neutral devil's-advocate multi-side behavior.
Here's my read on you : You're not endangered. You have biased opinions. You have selective reading. You're defending lynchbaits and scummy players in a very oddly neutral way. Because of my poking and suspecting of you, you're now passive-aggressive and semi-tunnel on me, with just that as a basis and none else.
Because I'm conflicted about you, I'll leave this vote here. You say I've been meaning to lynch you, but here's the thing : I have never voted on you, until now.
VOTE: Shinobi
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I'm literally not neutral at all. That's not even remotely close to anything I've done today.
It's like you've been posting garbage about me all game and,gasp, I find that annoying and suspicious in and of itself.Retired.
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In post 4636, Marquis wrote:i'm really not in the mood to get into a fight or shouting match or huge argument which is what i think is probably going to happen but i still think tso is scum and gm is town and shinobi might be tso's partner for the stance he's taken on the two of us. it seems really really fencesitty.
I called both of you town.
How is that fencesitty?Retired.
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@Gm: Everyone in your lynch lists that wound up fighting among themselves. Your "would lynch" list, specifically.
@Dragonspawn: How?
@Kitz: It has nothing to do with "drama," or whatever it is you want to call it when I say your accusations are stupid. If you post nothing but garbage then I will continue to call you on posting garbage.Retired.
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In post 4681, SilverWolf wrote:OK, I tried doing an ISO and meta dive on T S O and my head hurts trying to figure him out. I'm going to trust you guys know his play better than me and can help me with that read. Same with Shinobi.
Good luck with that. I've got two scum games on site tops, and I haven't played as scum with anyone here.Retired.
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(I forgot about that game. You could try to ask Marquis I guess, but my slot was so lulzy that I wouldn't even call it an adequate addition to my meta. YMMV)Retired.
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Specifically I forgot Marquis was in that game, but I digress. He knows I can look town as scum but that's about the extent of it I think?Retired.
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In post 4688, goodmorning wrote:In post 4682, Shinobi wrote:@Gm: Everyone in your lynch lists that wound up fighting among themselves. Your "would lynch" list, specifically.
My 'would lynch' list is you, Ozgin, and Kitz. You and Kitz hadn't really gotten into it when I posted that and Ozgin hasn't fought with anyone that I remember.
How is that 'fighting among themselves,' exactly?
I've been fighting with both of them.
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Btw, is TSO is actually a role then scum has to have some crazy stuff to make up for it.
All we've seen flip thus far is that weird roleblocker permutation.Retired.
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In post 4730, goodmorning wrote:In post 4722, Cheetory6 wrote::/
Can you say whether you were one of the kills on N1?
I have a hard time seeing scum fakeclaiming vig in a game which I'm pretty sure has one based on N1.
I have an easy time seeing an SK fakeclaiming Vig. Actually I don't see why Scum might not fakeclaim Vig anyway given that there's been a certain amount of role doubling and on the offchance that it's an SK who probably wouldn't CC.
In post 4725, Shinobi wrote:In post 4688, goodmorning wrote:In post 4682, Shinobi wrote:@Gm: Everyone in your lynch lists that wound up fighting among themselves. Your "would lynch" list, specifically.
My 'would lynch' list is you, Ozgin, and Kitz. You and Kitz hadn't really gotten into it when I posted that and Ozgin hasn't fought with anyone that I remember.
How is that 'fighting among themselves,' exactly?
I've been fighting with both of them.
They certainly haven't seemed to notice, and neither have I.
You should try reading the game at some point, then. It might help you notice things that are actually happening.Retired.
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In post 4731, T S O wrote:In post 4726, Shinobi wrote:Btw, is TSO is actually a role then scum has to have some crazy stuff to make up for it.
All we've seen flip thus far is that weird roleblocker permutation.
We haven't seen anything flip.
Yes we have?
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Kitz has been on me all game and you're harping on one little thing of me getting frustrated.
Your point between me and Ozgin isn't even good.
Wtf is this?Retired.
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In post 4750, goodmorning wrote:
Your revisionist history of this game is, quite frankly, enough to bump you straight to the head of my 'should lynch' list.
Except that's not at all what happened?
Even if you think your point between me/Ozgin is good, it's really not because at best there's still the issue of me/Kitz which has been happening since forever, which is still valid.Retired.
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In post 4757, goodmorning wrote:In post 4753, Shinobi wrote:In post 4750, goodmorning wrote:Your revisionist history of this game is, quite frankly, enough to bump you straight to the head of my 'should lynch' list.
Except that's not at all what happened?
Even if you think your point between me/Ozgin is good, it's really not because at best there's still the issue of me/Kitz which has been happening since forever, which is still valid.
I went looking in your ISO again, this time for the part where you directly engage Kitz, and it doesn't exist. You talk about Kitz occasionally, but talking TO Kitz, all you seem able to do is just quote a post, call it scummy or stupid, and then fuck off.
That's not an argument.
I can go through all your posts in a spoiler to demonstrate that you're a liar if you really want.
You can go ahead and quote as many posts as you want and show me that you have no idea what you're talking about. Unless you really want to dig into the "she's been calling him scum all game so they're definitely not interacting at all lolz" and try to sell that as a vote, which isn't really going to fly.
@Aeronaut: Marquis is writing better posts that he normally does as scum. I've thought the TSO push was kind of lame since much earlier.
Them fighting certainly helps, though. It does read like tvt and I don't understand why I can't use that as a basis for a read.Retired.
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I have 4 votes on me. The only one that's even remotely justified is GM's.
Christ.Retired.
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In post 4760, goodmorning wrote:Coincidentally, even if you had been arguing with them both you'd still have to prove that it was scummy for me to scumread the three of you at similar levels.
I literally don't have to do this at all since having a lynch list that's willing to lynch into itself and concluding that the players involved are mafia is nonsense.
Again: the exact same thing you did in the Open game.Retired.
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Nobody fucking cares what you think about the interactions or how they matter at all. Kitz is voting me for bullshit as of right now and she was on the exact same spot on your lynch list as I was, and it didn't seem to bother you at all.Retired.
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Aeronaut wrote:In post 4766, Shinobi wrote:
@Aeronaut: Marquis is writing better posts that he normally does as scum. I've thought the TSO push was kind of lame since much earlier.
Them fighting certainly helps, though. It does read like tvt and I don't understand why I can't use that as a basis for a read.
Because them fighting could be town vs town, town vs scum, or scum vs scum honestly.
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In post 4773, SilverWolf wrote:In post 4767, Shinobi wrote:I have 4 votes on me. The only one that's even remotely justified is GM's.
Christ.
In post 4770, Shinobi wrote:Nobody fucking cares what you think about the interactions or how they matter at all. Kitz is voting me for bullshit as of right now and she was on the exact same spot on your lynch list as I was, and it didn't seem to bother you at all.
Kitz is voting for Marquis, the only person voting for you is Cheetory.
Before.
Whatever.
You know what I mean.Retired.
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I'm not sure if she'd run with this whole "interactions" thing this hard as scum.Retired.
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In post 4812, Shinobi wrote:What list? You didn't ask me for anything iirc.
Ebwop.
"Feeling fake" isn't enough either.Retired.
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In post 4824, Kitz wrote:In post 4816, Shinobi wrote:Oh so you just voted me for garbage reasons again.
Whining loudly about this exact thing before freaking about how many votes you have, when... Oh, not even that many votes. Then jabber about past stuff.
That, without constructively playing. I'm seeing probably lack of initiative and direct discussion on appropriate things.
Derp.
I can see these are words but I don't see how they coincide with actual things.
*Where is the lack of initiative?
*Where is the lack of direct discussion on "appropriate things" and where do you think my attention should be?
*Why does me "freaking out" about how many votes I have make me scum?Retired.
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In post 4842, T S O wrote:Shinobi please stop going after Kitz and fucking vote Marquis before he manipulates the Newbies into thinking I'm the SK or whatever his bullshit scenario is
I don't get sucked into "him v me" scenarios, sorry.
I'll comment on it when it matters.Retired.
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Btw, if someone wants to tell me why a serial killer would be totally invested in this game and have the highest postcount out of everyone, then I'm all ears.Retired.
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In post 4858, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4852, T S O wrote:Apparently not. I have no idea why viking got this. I did not.
This might be a slip actually.
Scumslips are a terrible scumhunting characteristic.Retired.
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In post 4871, T S O wrote:I don't even mind being lynched tomorrow if 3 scum are dead by my hand. Maybe even if I hit 2. If I am wrong about both Marquis and goodmorning, I'll take the town consensus on whether me dying is best, but I'll be cranky as all fuck about it.
Should probably just kill Aero.Retired.
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In post 4886, Marquis wrote:
oh my god what
that's not normal what the fuck
Congratulations, you just figured out why all of early game was a clusterfuck.Retired.
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Why are people so opposed to the GM shot?
The best towncase I've seen on her thus far is "feels" which is useless.Retired.
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At best I can argue that she wouldn't be this blatantly bad as scum, but even then shooting her is still fun.Retired.
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In post 4947, goodmorning wrote:In post 4945, Shinobi wrote:At best I can argue that she wouldn't be this blatantly bad as scum, but even then shooting her is still fun.
I really hope that you're Scum.
Well I'm not, so.Retired.
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In post 4950, SilverWolf wrote:In post 4945, Shinobi wrote:At best I can argue that she wouldn't be this blatantly bad as scum, but even then shooting her is still fun.
Why do you say things like this?
Because I'm getting annoyed that there isn't a single person in this game trying to act rationally.Retired.
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In post 4952, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4945, Shinobi wrote:At best I can argue that she wouldn't be this blatantly bad as scum, but even then shooting her is still fun.
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You know this is probably scum though.
Explain why.Retired.
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We just going back to the whole "LOLZ THIS IS SCUM" part of the game where we don't bother explaining anything?
It's a one-liner, people; it shouldn't be that hard to analyze and compare with the rest of my filter to see if there are any discrepancies with my persona or the agenda I'm posting to see if something doesn't fit or if the conclusion I'm drawing doesn't mesh with my earlier posts.
Just saying "this is scum" doesn't necessarily make it so.Retired.
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I've been waiting for nearly an hour, elusive.
This shouldn't be that hard.Retired.
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I'm guessing that none of the people that jumped on me for my one-liner cba to back it up with anything outside of calling it scum baselessly.
Funsies.Retired.
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I already know why you didn't like it but not liking it doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't warrant a vote.Retired.
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In post 4962, Aeronaut wrote:Yea, shinobi it's the fact that you've been saying things like that all dayphase. I pointed out one earlier where you said something along the lines of "Let's lynch Kitz because it will be fun", which is a ridiculous statement amidst what's been going on. You're not putting much effort into lynching scum, and all you've really done in the last 5 pages is complain about how shit your wagon is.
Except that's not even remotely accurate since I'm questioning people. Even then, lynching people because it's "fun" is nothing more than banter outside of the fact that I find them scummy for other reasons.
It just so happens that a bunch of people want to find excuses to hop on my wagon, so naturally I'm going to question those people as well.
Nice job ignoring everything else I've posted, though.Retired.
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In post 4965, Aeronaut wrote:In post 4964, dragonspawn wrote:In post 4938, Aeronaut wrote:And let's be honest, lynching Marquis is going to be a mislynch.
How do you know?
Idk, I'm pretty sure he's town at this point. Aren't you?
@Shinobi, Ok. I gave my reasons. Now you can't complain about nobody giving their reasons anymore
Giving reasons for voting me that are objectively bad and then still being against me after I talk to you about them won't make me feel better about any of it.Retired.
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I just explained I'm not lynching people for fun.
Meh, I don't have the energy to explain everything again. I'll post here more tomorrow or something.Retired.
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In post 4971, SilverWolf wrote:I'm actually extremely worried about both elusive and Ozgin because they've both pretty much withdrawn from the game and I really don't like that at all.
Also something I've noted, ftr.Retired.
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Dropping a bunch of catchwords and saying that three people are scum without explaining why isn't going to cut it, especially when two of them are screaming at each other.
Btw, are we doing massclaim today or what?Retired.
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Cool I'm vt.
Ftr describing the words she's dropping, bringing up quotes or describing the situations she's talking about and how it makes those three players scum instead of personifying their play would be the best way to make a case.Retired.
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You know, considering the alternative is throwing around a bunch of buzzwords that have no meaning in a vacuum.Retired.
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In post 5162, elusive wrote:SO few people talking about the Shinobi lynch while FA was pushed really quickly. Paranoia time?
Well people asked you why you were voting me and you chose not to answer.
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If we're rolling with the fact that scum has a doctor and/or a rolecop, then why are we voting the guy that was tracked nowhere?Retired.
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