NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]
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I don't get it?
Why did you change your mind?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Because we have a wagon?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 69, TheCow wrote:
You not giving a reason is why Aeronaut is iffy about you joining the wagon, when it's apparently a serious vote? I think.
Ah, I see.
Since when is it scummy to join a wagon whilst giving no reasoning and then push that wagon?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 60, Aeronaut wrote:
This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.
So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.
What is scummy about being defensive?
This still doesn't look any better on a reread.
In post 80, davesaz wrote:Hmm, looks like pushy BBT. I've seen this personality both as scum and town. I like the questions, so makes me lean town a little.
Interesting. If you have seen me do it as both town and scum, why would you give me a lean town read?
In post 86, dragonspawn wrote:
Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.
I'm sorry, what?
Cool.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
In post 91, RadiantCowbells wrote:But seriously folks, in the process of reading for that I noticed something very interesting.
VOTE: Cow
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In post 102, RadiantCowbells wrote:Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.
I'd rather keep this one for myself.
Good luck pushing that wagon!
In post 106, dragonspawn wrote:So bbt what is your grand argument for me being scum?
I didn't have one.
In post 107, Bellaphant wrote:Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange.
Currently more worried about Rc and her lack of sharing Info.
No opinions on any of that posting/voting Bella? Customary scum read incoming...
You're so worried about RC not sharing info that you're not going to vote for him?
109 - I like this post from Dragon. Not a bad vote either.
111 - I hope you're not going to continue with this. It tells us nothing and looks like a post/structure scum might use to look busy whilst actually contributing nothing.
What is your read on Dragon here? I don't get the LAMIST view at all either.
In post 122, SilverWrath wrote:so being late for one day and a shitload of activity has happened.
Better get to it then!
In post 124, duppin wrote:
In post 81, Annadog40 wrote:The Dragon wagon rhyme! But I'll stick with my RVS vote for now .
In post 83, Annadog40 wrote:I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)
VOTE: dragonspawn
Another weird vote.
What was weird about Anna vote? Also, why is this post not accompanied by a vote for PB?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 134, dragonspawn wrote:
So I have to ask you this, why do you feel the need to construct straw men to attack? In fact, why are you attacking in the first place? Your pushing the wagon pretty hard for someone who isn't voting for it.
You're pushing my wagon at the same time as questioning those on the wagon not voting for any of us. Who exactly are you scum reading? Because right now it looks like you are trying to look like you are scum hunting without actually putting your money where your mouth is
This is good.
In post 141, Aeronaut wrote:
Also, this brings up a good point. BBT, do you have reads on any other people right now besides Dragon?
Yes, I do! Dragon is probably town. Oh no, wait, that's still about Dragon. Ummm...can I phone a friend?
In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
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I think Dragon is town. I think he is starting to analyze his wagon and the people pushing it. I am liking his recent posting.
In post 160, Shazam wrote:This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.
Why is defensiveness anti-town?
In post 163, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Keyser, I think the issue you address with your latest image is just coincidence. It's not ike he's been lurking hardcore or anything. Choose your battles.
With everything going on in the game; I find this a strange post for you to prioritize responding to. Anything else to add?
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In post 175, Aeronaut wrote:
This whole post in the context of the last five pages confuses me. Why did you suddenly decide to leave the wagon you've been pushing aimlessly for the whole game?
Oh Aero, sweet sweet Aero. It's not just about the person being wagoned, there is much more information to be gleaned from pushing early wagons.
Do you think that's scummy?
In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:But like... You suspect PB for making a 180 on dragon, but you also just made a similar 180. So how is that any different?
Yeah, but, I had reasons. That is a very notable difference.
In post 185, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, advocating ignoring me and hoping for a vig discounts the possibility that I could be scum.
VOTE: Mykonian
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In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:But like... You suspect PB for making a 180 on dragon, but you also just made a similar 180. So how is that any different?
Yeah, but, I had reasons. That is a very notable difference.
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You don't think I have provided reasons for my reversal of read on Dragon?
Also, a read and a vote onto a wagon are two different things. PB went against the wagon, stating he was ignoring it and I should feel bad for pushing it. Then he joins the wagon I'm pushing and doesn't explain the reversal in his read.
I explained the reversal. PB did not explain his reversal. There is a huge difference in both of our actions.
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In post 208, Bellaphant wrote:
BBT is asking good questions, but - @bbt, why comment on PB's vote-park, when other people's votes are sitting there? A joke is a joke, but inserting mis-reppy ideas is p. scummy. His recent posting is better, though.
Because I dislike the way he joined the wagon and also how PB has commented on nothing and hasn't even bothered pushing the wagon he is vote parking on.
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Guys, a quick note, can we not quote whole posts when we're responding to one sentence at the bottom of said post.
Just quote the part you're responding to. Makes the game much easier to read.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 234, Shazam wrote:
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.
Wanna fight?
Being defensive is not scummy, nor is it anti-town. For you to suggest such things is absurd. People interpret posts differently...that's kind of the point of online Mafia. If everyone interpreted posts in the same away there would be no discussion. So no, 'misinterpreting' as you put it is not deceptive and it's not illogical and as stated earlier being defensive is not scummy.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 220, Bellaphant wrote:
@bbt, I'd like pb to answer questions put to him, but Mt vote can go there if I'm not happy. It's either that or follow myk right now.
You're thinking about voting Keyser? Why?
Also, was you satisifed with PB's posts? If not, I would appreciate you joining the wagon.
In post 238, Shazam wrote:
Ok, so you're just thick-headed, not scum, good to know. After being rebutted, you're one of those people who goes back to the same logical fallacy and misrepresentation. Dragon's misinterpretations are not just another possible interpretation. They're demonstrably wrong. And his attitude that has caused him to get them wrong is an anti-town one because it results in the problems I described above. Defensiveness is not always scummy, and it's not always anti-town. His particular flavor of defensiveness is the former in my opinion, and definitely the latter.
No, they're not 'demonstrably wrong'. Just because you cannot understand someone else's position that doesn't make them scum; I'm guessing you're not a defensive player.
For some people, when a wagon starts getting pushed on them and they can't understand why they begin to assume (and rightly so) that scum must be involved in some way. When people are pushing and voting for you and not explaining why; why would you not defend yourself? I think Dragon's position was understandable given game circumstances. Add into this that he started scum hunting from his wagon and I think his posting has significantly improved and therefore I have to ask myself; why are people still hanging around that Dragon wagon?
In post 242, Garmr wrote:I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb
Can you quote where Dragon is acting dumb because I don't see it?
Really? So you're perfectly happy with the Dragon wagon and the reasons that people are using to be on it?
Further, can you just clarify exactlywhyyou're on that wagon again please?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Oh my, the timing of this unvote.
Seriously, why aren't we lynching this guy?
Can you explain this? Hoping for something substantial from your slot soon...
In post 269, Aeronaut wrote:
I don't really know why I should vote PB besides that thing he did which you also did.
Hmm, read my 207 and point out the specific problems you have with what I have said. I don't understand how you're not seeing the difference Aero...
276 - As Aero pointed out, this reads list is flimsy at best. I don't get your reasoning for any of your town reads Dragon.
Wow, such bad choices. I was more thinking along the lines of PB or maybe Cow?
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In post 300, Prolapsed Brain wrote:I'm not on any wagon. Why are you not paying attention?
I was clearly catching up. Why are you asking bad questions to make yourself look busy?
Do you have any reads you would like to share?
In post 301, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Davesaz
"seems rather scummy" is one of the most scummy excuses I have ever seen to jump on a wagon.
Bad votes are bad. This is the best you have at this point of the game?
In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:
In terms of Soze, his Iso confuses me. Some of it seems really genuine and town-minded, some of it is just...noisy and the discussion with myk doesn't fill me with town-vibes It might be a style thing.
Yeah, I agree with this. But his town posts are good enough that I'm not remotely interested in pursuing him Today.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 290, TheCow wrote:Getting on a computer in an hour or so. I'll make a #quality post in that time. I apologize for my quiteness up to this point.
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In post 313, Garmr wrote:
Well I'm to lazy to quote it but the whole rvs scenario when he thought my vote was serious and over reacted. When people were playing him off as lacking the ability to read post efficiently he then acts if rc was being serious lol I know dragon spawn is more perspective than that
You don't understand how Dragon might have thought we were voting him for his defensive comments?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 342, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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It's not just the not explaining his vote.
He went against the Dragon wagon and then joined the wagon. He never explained his reasoning for joining the wagon; when questioning about joining the wagon he unvotes.
Other than this, he has done nothing noteworthy in the game.
That is more than enough reason to vote someone.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Boon, do not hammer the PB wagon without stating intent otherwise I will lynch you tomorrow.
Thanks
PEdit - Keyser, what are you doing? L-1 is the perfect place to have someone when you're looking for a response.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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