NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Keyser Söze]

Page 1.

I am a Miller.

Well-played.

He's really a Godfather, isn't he?

Still RVS or serious?

neither commenting about the first poster ...

Defensive.

Examples?

Agreed.
Examples.
Please.

[Keyser Söze]

Page 2.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz.

Noted.

Sheeping Aero.

Early sheep noted.

Has Aero done something that makes him sheep worthy?

No.

Aeronaut could maybe be considered pro-town now

Explain.

FA could be scum.

Fro99er more likely scum?

things are getting sirious in here.

Why serious?
Number of votes?
The reasons for the votes?

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, FA if scum will be really obvious further on down the line so I'm not motivated to lynch her right this second

Can Frozen Angel be "obvious" scum on Day One?


VOTE: Zulfy
Posting but not involved.

[Keyser Söze]

defensive how?

Facepalm denotes frustration.
Is OMGUS alignment indicative?

[Keyser Söze]

IS it?

Why overreact on something that is not?
How many votes is not serious?
Is there enough solid reasons on your wagon to 'make it a fast wagon and get over with it'?

[Keyser Söze]

Can Frozen Angel be "obvious" scum on Day One?

How much do you want to bet that if FA is scum I will call it.

That is not what I asked.
Can Frozen Angel be "obvious" scum on Day One?

[Keyser Söze]

Page 4.

Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?

Is this WIFOM necessary to defend yourself?

Page 5.

I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks

Please can you share this "ton of information".

Page 6.

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

Scum theatrics or frustrated townie?
Null for me.

Page 8.

If RC is probably scum, then why are you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Valid point.

Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Good question.

vla 2 days

UNVOTE: Zulfy
I'll be back.

It feels like scum trying to be playful and integrate themselves into the game.

Have you seen any further evidence for this?
Could town be "playful" and trying to "integrate themselves into the game"?

[Keyser Söze]

Page 10.

p. awful vote, tbh. This is literally the worst vote I've ever seen.

From town or scum?

Page 13.

^ wall of questions from wicked that don't seem to have content.

I like his questions.

Tl;Dr fro99er is scum and should be lynched.

Statements like these have no power.
They only deflect pressure.
Present your case, otherwise he is not getting lynched.

Page 14.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.

Possible theory.
I see the frustration.
Scum-indicative? Not sure.

What do you think of his claims about bolding being scummy, frozen?

Do claims about "bolding being scummy" seriously concern you?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm ignoring Keyser soze.

No townie should be in a position to completely ignore a player.

See. Dwlee fitting the evidence to the read.

Do you read this behaviour as scum-indicative?

Scum Reads:
Deathnote
Nosferatu

Highlight scum-DeathNote.
Highlight scum-Nosferatu.



Catch-up complete.
The over-reactions/meltdowns/emotional hyperbole is becoming tiresome.
More thoughts/questions/conclusions to follow.

[Keyser Söze]

Page 17.

VOTE: FA

All of this yelling makes me tired.

Do you think Frozen Angel is scum?

Imma sheep pk here. Looks like he knows what he's doing. I can't sort FA but I kinda want her dead t b h

Anti-town.

Page 18.

Her AtEs as scum frozen are absolutely terrible and see through and basically ignorable and she avoids pressure by bogging everything down in lengthy arguments and focuses on defending herself hyper logically while spending more time throwing out accusations than doing any sort of analysis.

She's town here, 100%.

Good insight/defense noted.

Seems far more likely to me to be scum daunted by the prospect of the game and feeling threatened by the prospect of not being able to lynch groups of people.

There's literally no town motivation for such feelings whatsoever.

RadiantCowbells is more expressive with his feelings of people's behaviour in this game.
High-activity shows he wants to actively influence the game.
So far the people he has pressured looks like a logical progression from his observations.

Page 19.

you bet? bet on hanging each other? I will flip town. If i did you must hang yourself. if I didn't I will hang myself in real. I'm on my word

Please do not defend yourself like this.

I think Cow could easily be scum.
I don't like PK but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative here.
I think Fro99er's town.
I have Zulfy as a slight scum lean.

Everyone else is null.

Read on DeathNote?

[Keyser Söze]

Page 20.

Vote: Cow

Lots of words.
Then a vote on TheCow.
Why TheCow?

Page 21.

This is a really barebones response to like 15 pages of game.

The responses befit the content.

Also, are you inviting Zulfy because he decided to go V/LA? What sense does that make?

I am going to vote an active non-town-read who can respond.

Page 22.

This is what i'm feeling right now.

TOWN

Fro99er
pisskop
RadiantCowbells

NULL

Nero Cain
davesaz
JarJarDrinks
Zulfy
Dwlee99
Keyser Söze
Frozen Angel
Wake88

SCUM

TheCow
Wickedestjr
Nosferatu
DeathNote

This feels... predictable.
What makes Wickedestjr, Nosferatu and DeathNote scummier than the person you are currently voting?

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

If town PR, bad move.
If scum, bad move.

[Keyser Söze]

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

When under pressure does DeathNote:
- threatened to replace out?
- wager suicide?
- or claim a power role?

At what point/post made you post this warning?
Was it the 4 votes?
Aeronaut's list of reads?
Other?

UNVOTE: Dwlee
just town with wrong opinions who can't handle pressure.

If meta proves this has happened before with him as scum

I'll consider moving back.

What did the meta prove?



VOTE: Wake88
Dwlee99 this.
Dwlee99 that.
Any thoughts not Dwlee99?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser is scum.

No.

I feel it.

Feelings do nothing.
Explain.

it feels like his play in justified.

What is "justified"?

Observation?
Scum case is very weak.
But scum-read sounds very strong.

Conclusion?
Wait to see if developed scum-reason explains strong scum-read.

[Keyser Söze]

The justified game.

Please link.
Please explain.
"feel" is weak.


Would scum present a weak scum-case but a strong scum-read?
Less likely.
Would town continue to push their strong scum-read despite their weak scum-case?
More likely.


Dwlee99 wagon. Awful overreactions and defence.
Everyone steps back.
Frozen Angel wagon. Awful overreactions and defence.
Everyone steps back.
Their playstyle make them easy targets, so harder to ascertain the real scum-reads that keep pressure on Dwlee99/Frozen Angel, or the opportunistic scum-reads that keep the pressure on their slots.
Threats, emotions, bold font and SHOUTING - cunning deflection or fluff-filled misdirection?
Come back later.

Meanwhile, the reasons on DeathNote's wagon are more tangible.
I thought DeathNote would stay composed and give a great defence given his wordy introduction...

...but then DeathNote decides to roleclaim.
Motivation?
Yet another awful overreaction and defence.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, you were my scum partner.
Bs you dont remember.

Explain "justified game":
That was 'Mini Normal 1719 - Flavorless Fun!'
I think you are confused/incorrect.
I remember everything.

Pending:

Explain "feel".
Explain "keyser is scum".

Go.

[Keyser Söze]

You are playing the same.

Show me.
Explain.

I will then look upon your case and see if I think town-Dwlee99 would conclude the following:

Keyser is scum.

You post unsupported weak cases:

fro99er is scum and should be lynched.

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

Do you think either fro99er or myself are getting lynched on your scum-cases?

I want to see the strong case to follow the strong scum-read.

[Keyser Söze]

Fro99er is town

Ok.

I get this vibe.

Still not convinced.

Actually I funished my schoolwork i will get started.

Begin.

[Keyser Söze]

The 1st is very well explained and confident.

Yes.

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

Is this the same DeathNote?

The timing of his vote was poor:

Vote: Cow

I would have prefered it after this comment (over 300 posts ago):

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

[Keyser Söze]

Just hopped on the plane.

Safe journey.

Not really a fan of any of RCs posts @ this point actually.

No fake roleclaims.
No trolling.
No quick hammers.
No Annie art.

No alarm bells going off so far.

Sharing thought process.
Explaining scum reads.

[Keyser Söze]

Actually I funished my schoolwork i will get started.

How is the case going?

Essay title: "keyser is scum".
Essay deadline: 12 hours.
Essay wordcount: 1,000 words (max).

[Keyser Söze]

though not directly contributing to the discussion.

Time to contribute now.

[Keyser Söze]

Keysor Seze is scum because he is a lurksack who is not posting content.

Incorrect.
Undermining.

he posts 1-liners

Correct.
Scum-indicative?

because he is scum trying to hide.

I am not hiding.
I can approach/attack/defend anything.

Keysor Seze is scum trying to avoid anchoring himself to any opinion or player too early.

Incorrect.

Keysor Seze is posting much differently than my last game with him;

Different is not scum-indicative.
But I understand how much meta means to people's scum-hunting.

Here, he is ignoring me and not posting at all.

Your ISO primarily focused on Frozen Angel.
Poke, poke, poke. Results?
91 posts 'scum hunting'.
Zero conclusions.
Only pressure.
Many posts playing 'IC'.
No conclusions.
One post on my slot.
14 conclusions.

Keysor Seze is scum because he does scummy things.

Please quote all the scum-indicative behaviour in my ISO.
Go.

Keysor Seze tries to be cute or funny

No.

Keysor Seze is posting catchup posts

Real life.
Now up to date.

[Keyser Söze]

When keyser is scum they are a lot more logical.

Disagree.

Continue.

They try to quedtion things and seem to be interacting with people when they really arent.

I am now online to interact.
When catching up, it is impossible to engage.
Point valid in the sense I cannot ask questions in real time - does it make me scum?
No.

Continue.

No emotions.

Emotion is not town-indicative.

Conclusion:
A very meta-driven scum-read.
Similar feelings echoed in pisskops playstyle-frenzied attack, thus, not a remote case.
My playstyle difference is admittedly a possible stumbling block.
"keyser is scum"?
No.
Keyser Söze's town-meta has evolved.
Yes.

[Keyser Söze]

Wow, you danced around the actual content and pulled out the farces to respond to.

Weak story.
The critical review was suffice.
You only looked at surface material, as with your attack on Frozen Angel.

"Keysor Seze is posting catchup posts that aren't engaging other players because Keysor Seze is scum."
Tragic scum-read reason.

Poke, poke, poke.
No conclusions on motivation.

do foreward somethng that indicates you're a human

You now have 94 posts.
Zero results.
Will attacking my personality/playstyle help you?
No.

[Keyser Söze]

This is scum you

This is not a scum-case.
Present valid reasons:

otherwise,

a) if scum, you will be exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases (your second one so far this game).
b) if town, you will be miss-lynched for posting weak scum cases.

It is a WIN-WIN for me. Not for you.

[Please quote this post for later.]

[Keyser Söze]

You are getting correct-lynched

These words do not have any power.
Strong reads demand strong reasons.

keyser says he wins if I get mislynched, that slip thoufh

Re-read.
It is not a "slip".
Hopefully, you will realise your scum-case is weak.
Hopefully, you realise your threats do not have any power.

7 posts now.
Show me "keyser is scum".

If you point to playstyle again, I will discontinue this defence.

[Keyser Söze]

Is scum "being exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases" a WIN?
Yes.

Is Dwlee99 "being miss-lynched for posting weak scum cases" a WIN?
Yes.

Which outcome would I prefer?
"scum being exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases."
Obviously.

Which outcome is most likely?
Neither.

Why?

No emotions.

This is not a scum-case.
His words do not have any power.
His current scum-case is weak.

[Keyser Söze]

keyser's posts are annoying as fuck to read because it reads like a robot chucking sentences together awkwardly.

One word is all I need to cut through shit.

Let's look at your ISO.

2 votes are on Dwlee99.

VOTE: Dwlee
something bothers me about you and I don't know what. Post more so I can tell you why you're scum.

What.
The.
Fuck.
Is.
This.
Votes Dwlee99.
Reasons?
"something bothers me about you and I don't know what"
Riveting.

What, there's more?
"Post more so I can tell you why you're scum"
What?
Get the fuck outta here.

I will revisit this post if one of you flip red.

Let's continue.

@Dwlee: How is vote hopping even opportunistic in the first place? Do we just use long words for the heck of it no matter what it means? You're totally giving rise to a pulmonary edema in my lymphatic system right now.

You can't see how Dwlee99 could see that 'vote hopping' is opportunistic?
"pulmonary edema"?
Shut the fuck up.

ye dwlee is scummy ttttttttttttttbbbbbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhhhhhh

not sure if floundering vi or scummy-scum

both are counter productive tbh

One is town.
One is scum.
To be honest.

Less pressure on Dwlee99.

Frozen Angel kicks off.

Emotions.

UNVOTE: Dwlee
just town with wrong opinions who can't handle pressure.

Didn't see this coming.

If meta proves this has happened before with him as scum I'll consider moving back.

Does this mean the Dwlee99 lynch is back on if someone provides a meta-attack on Dwlee99?

DeathNote under fire.

>was
>past-tense
you were confident and now you're not?

Ok.

Grammar betrays people's thoughts often.

Ok.

I can tell you're not a fan of Freud.

I am a fan of irony.

Won't matter if you're not saying anything at all.

I am a fan of irony.

walked right into that one didn't I

Yes.

Dwlee99 thinks I've scum slipped.

Nosferatu comes out of the darkness and excretes another gem:

keyser's posts are annoying as fuck to read because it reads like a robot chucking sentences together awkwardly.

Conclusion?
The timing of your votes concerns me.
The people you choose to engage also concern me.

[Keyser Söze]

That makes. NO SENSE
from a town perspective.

Explain it from a scum perspective.
Go.

This is still not a scum case.

Saying "That makes. NO SENSE" / "keyser is scum" / "I get this vibe." / "When keyser is scum they are a lot more logical." / "No emotions." ...does not get people lynched.

"keyser is scum"
How do I possibly come back from this gripping case against me?

"No emotions."
Wow.

"I get this vibe."
This is where I was tempted to threaten to replace out.

Your scum case on me is unsatisfactory and weak.

[Keyser Söze]

I thought the traditional procedure was vote and then ask for a claim after enough people have voted...

Agree.
Intent to hammer.
Then roleclaim.
Let's see those votes.
No fucking shortcuts.

[Keyser Söze]

pisskop.
Here's the picture.
DeathNote has basically claimed he has PR (that will apparently deter us not to lynch him).
On forum mafiascum that basically translates to: "Hi, I'm scum. Fuck off".
Why do I know?
I've said those words both as town and scum in past games.
The catch is, he might actually be sitting on a very powerful town PR.
If he is, the scum are eager to see him full roleclaim early.
From my perspective the WIFOM it has caused is a bitch.
I called it as bad play as soon as I read it (whatever his alignment).
Now he should only roleclaim if he is at 'Intent to hammer'.
No earlier.
No shortcuts.
People should only vote DeathNote because they think he is scum.
Not, "roleclaim now muthaf***er".

[Keyser Söze]

Reads and reasons. Go.

Reads list?
No.
Boring.
Manipulative.
I am becoming ever suspicious of read lists based on my last few games.

'Let's line up a lynch'
'We scum-read all the same person. Let's lynch him'.

I prefer scum cases.
Clear and simple. People can't hide behind a scum case.
People can hide behind lists.

I can't see one coherent scum case from you, but you are already lining up lynches.
That my dear, is scummy as fuck.
P.EDIT (including my own).

I'm slowly getting through everyone.
Please bear with me.

[Keyser Söze]

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

[Keyser Söze]

Not waiting actually.

VOTE: pisskop

This play does not look town-motivated.
You are lining up lynches, but not scum-hunting.

May I remind you of the deadline.

[Keyser Söze]

Or i'm a treestump in which case it doesn't matter what you do.

Share with me your regrets so far.
I want complete honesty.
Go.

[Keyser Söze]

Scum perspective of keyser's slip:

If dwlee gets mislynched then it's GOOD for scum because that's a mislynch. (what don't you understand)

Now.. keyser, give me how what you said can come from town? In what case is a mislynch EVER a win from town's perspective?

At the moment it's still looking like a WIN-WIN.
Continue.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

@pisskop - answer please.

It seems like you are trying to orchestrate the lynch wagons for D1.
You are in no position to do so.

Present your cases.
Push your cases.

No Darth Sidious shit.

[Keyser Söze]

I should work on my communications skills.

If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)

TheCow has balls.
Town or scum balls?
I find it amusing he thinks he doesn't need to explain himself.
Is nonchalance town-indicative?
He is inviting votes/pressure/an investigation.
Would scum-TheCow want this?

Yup mislynching, obviously good for town, amirite?

Which outcome would I prefer?
"scum being exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases."
Obviously.

[Keyser Söze]

They aren't in a particular order.

Ok.

Here, I feel like he either doesn't care much, or is trying to make it look like he doesn't care much.

I do care.

So sue me or vote me.

Can you please answer my questions/serious concern from post 657 so I can move on.
You not responding stops any productive interactions between us.

[Keyser Söze]

it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

From my perspective, as soon as you posted your reads list (with DeathNote sat at the bottom) it fucked him up (post 639).
Somehow, your scum-reads carried alot of weight.
He sounds a seasoned player.
I would love for him to describe his game so far.

When is it EVER?!?!?!? a "win" to mislynch? EVER??!?!

Actually you are right Dwlee99!
It is not a WIN if a miss-lynch happens.
Miss-lynch bad.
Scum-lynch good.
Me not like bad.
Me like good.

[Keyser Söze]

I mean I have in my other posts; my other recent posts in which the same question was fielded.

Still not seeing it.

Why "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow"?

Why Keysor "would also be lynchable"?

Why "And possibly others"?


It seems like you were open to many lynches/orchestrating us.
I would prefer to see you push your own individual scum-cases, and not push multiple/possible lynch wagons.

The game only started this weekend, why did you feel you were in a position to post this?

If I could see evidence of your strong scum reads of "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow", "Keysor" and "possibly others" - I would understand.

[Keyser Söze]

Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?

I change my mind Dwlee99.
Yes, WIN-WIN.

so I said "pulmonary edema", which is an excess of fluid in the lungs, "in my lymphatic system", which gets rid of toxins in the body.

Fascinating.
But inevitably null.

dwlee took the stance that vote hopping in and of itself is opportunistic

Ok.

when I only made one???

I can't even remember who or why you even voted.
Your scum-case left no lasting impression.
The timing of your interactions concerned me though.
Who the fuck are you scum reading Nosferatu?
Please contribute.

[Keyser Söze]

I can actually read Keyser's posts in his previous games :/

Scum-indicative?
No.

[Keyser Söze]

Sure I guess. What do you think of FA claiming that her vote on Dwlee was a reaction test?

I will answer this later.

In the meantime, may I ask why you are still on page one?

[This concerns me].

[Keyser Söze]

Sure I guess. What do you think of FA claiming that her vote on Dwlee was a reaction test?

Frozen Angel's vote and reason: (post 16)

Frozen Angel's thought-process: (post 46)

Frozen Angel's motive: (post 52) "to make the game more progressive" during RVS.

Yes, I could see both town-Frozen Angel and scum-Frozen Angel doing this.
I personally read it as

null

.

Now, let me follow your scum-Frozen Angel narrative...

What if it wasn't a page one reaction test?

What

would you descibe it as?

Why

did scum-Frozen Angel choose to break RVS by attacking Dwlee99's RVS/"OMGUS" vote on page one?
What do you think her scum-

motivation

was on page one?


Then you have 28 pages to catch up on.

[Keyser Söze]

I feel like it's the opposite. Saying "well vote me, then" doesn't really do anything to him.

It honestly looks like fake casualness to me.

Yes, let's lynch him.

But wait... he's now flicking dogshit at people (and laughing about it):

Nero Cain

you're literally less useful than i am please lynch yourself

Nosferatu

jump through a hoop pls

Wickedestjr

Wickedestjr want to do me a favor? please lynch yourself and/or stop being a literal and figurative weed.

@Aeronaut - tell me scum-TheCow's motivation for doing this.

[Keyser Söze]

I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.

But RadiantCowbells, Dwlee99 has town-confirmed* Wickedestjr:

Wicked is town

*It is however yet another weak/unsupported/unexplained confirm that damages productive scum-hunting and rational pressure on a slot.

But wait...

DeathNote is town.

Oh no, not another one.

It seems like it's contagious.

[Keyser Söze]

helps me lynch scum

Present your case.
Then people vote.
That's how lynching works.
You can't just bully people onto a wagon.
What do you make of DeathNote's defence?
What do you think of Wickedestjr's defence of DeathNote?
Calling me a troll will get you no closer in lynching your scum-read.
It's all empty air.

When someone says "player X is town", "player X is obvtown", don't cry and let your frustrations out at me.
Challenge them.
Convince them that player X is scum.

Can we lynch keyser, ffs?

This is not a scum-case.

[Keyser Söze]

@AngryPidgeon

Wake88, Zulfy, davesaz - prod/replace/status?

[Keyser Söze]

My thing here is mostly that I really don't think she did any sort of reaction test and thus she lied.

So L.A.L.

Lynch all liars?
I am not lynching Frozen Angel over her claim that she voted Dwlee99 "to make the game more progressive".
I would only lynch a possible "lie" of more substance. E.g a fake roleclaim, an incorrect investigation, conflicting events.

Answer my questions though:

Now, let me follow your scum-Frozen Angel narrative...

What if it wasn't a page one reaction test?

What

would you descibe it as?

Why

did scum-Frozen Angel choose to break RVS by attacking Dwlee99's RVS/"OMGUS" vote on page one?
What do you think her scum-

motivation

was on page one?

Is the

'Lynch all liars'

the main thrust of your scum case on her, or do you have any further reasons?

[Keyser Söze]

DNs claim will help us determine his alignment.

Please explain. I believe the WIFOM will still remain.

- If DN is scum then getting a claim out of him helps town only
- If DN is town then getting a claim out of him helps both town and scum

Would you want a

full

roleclaim from DeathNote ASAP?

I will revisit DeathNote's defence later. If /when I vote DeathNote, it would be because

'I think he is the scummiest player'

, and no other reason.

RC and JarJar are the two I'm going to bounce ideas off because they are my strongest town reads.

I think FA is close behind but I can't understand her all the time. Aero I believe is town. I think Dwlee is town too.

DN needs to die. Cow, Keyser, Piss and Wicked are in my idk to possibly scum pile.

I need reasons for these reads. I only understand the strength/sincerity of your votes/reads when you support them with substance.
Your ISO is very naked - your only material interaction was your childish overreaction (post 132) from when Aeronaut was putting you under pressure. You then posted a firm town read of Aeronaut.

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

I took note of this.
You also asked pisskop to give his read of you.
You promised that this would yield a ''ton of information''.
I am yet to see this ''ton of information''.
The rest of your posts are null/fluff.
Enjoy your time on the beach.... or replace out.

[Keyser Söze]

As I said last night, I initially townread him for post 653, which I interpreted and still interpret as a serious role claim.

I personally did not see his "treestump" post as a legitimate roleclaim.

.
What made you believe it was genuine? The fact it was so unique/unexpected?
Did you think his "treestump" roleclaim fully explained his

"I am just stating that you won't lynch me"

warning?
To then declare to the thread outright: "DeathNote is town", is a huge leap to make.

Maybe I'm conf-biasing, but his subsequent posts (688 and 689) give me very good vibes too: his reaction to RC, his "I have no f-ing regrets" comment, his most-recent stance on meta, and his intention to stop playing after this game all seem really genuine. I have a really hard time believing that DN faked all of that...

Ok, I see defeated town, but why not

defeated scum

?

[Keyser Söze]

The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

Miss-rep.
Show me where I know DeathNote's alignment.
I'm trying to talk this through with you rationally.
I already (repeatedly) shared my position on DeathNote. And I will re-read his posts this evening.

If I scum-read him

I will vote him.

You don't think there's any other reason to vote for someone?

There are many reasons why I think both town AND scum would want to vote DeathNote given his awful

"You guys aren't lynching me"

warning. But I'll only be voting him for one reason.

[Keyser Söze]

Best case is that DN makes a claim and is

countered

by someone and we catch scum.

Missed this post.
Yes,

high risk, but rich reward

.
I can see how you think that this is the right play we need to make to resolve the WIFOM.
DeathNote, Joined : July 13, 2009. He should know better too.
I'm a noob, and even I realise it was a bad move.
I'll come back to his slot later.

[Keyser Söze]

In the first quote you say you'll vote him if he's the scummiest, in the 2nd you say you'll vote him if you scum read him. Please explain.

Yes to both.
I will vote who I think is the scummiest.
I will vote who I scum-read.

@davesaz - is that scum-indicative?
That felt like a poor question to ask davesaz. What was you trying to clarify?


@pisskop.

Spoiler:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

Not waiting actually.

VOTE: pisskop

This play does not look town-motivated.
You are lining up lynches, but not scum-hunting.

May I remind you of the deadline.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

@pisskop - answer please.

It seems like you are trying to orchestrate the lynch wagons for D1.
You are in no position to do so.

Present your cases.
Push your cases.

No Darth Sidious shit.

Still not seeing it.

Why "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow"?

Why Keysor "would also be lynchable"?

Why "And possibly others"?


It seems like you were open to many lynches/orchestrating us.
I would prefer to see you push your own individual scum-cases, and not push multiple/possible lynch wagons.

The game only started this weekend, why did you feel you were in a position to post this?

If I could see evidence of your strong scum reads of "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow", "Keysor" and "possibly others" - I would understand.

[Keyser Söze]

Going by the first post, you'll vote the scummiest. So if he is scummy but not the scummiest, then you wont vote him.
Going by the 2nd post, you'll vote him if he's scummy regardless.

Yes, I'll vote for him if he is my top scum read or if I scum-read him.

Both can be true, if he's the only person you think is scummy. If not, then it's a logical inconsistency.
Or there may be a different explanation. In either case, with your answer (or lack of answer) I'll have more information for my reads.

It's quite simple: I vote for who I think is scum. If he is a town-read I won't be voting him. If I think he is the towniest player, I won't be voting him.

The same logic applies.

Your failure to grasp this and to turn it into a "logical inconsistency" is pathetic davesaz.

Keyser. Just. Ignores. HIS SLIP. And ni one sees it. I called him out on it and then he SAID IT AGAIN.

This is me helping you now:
Do you want to talk about any of your other "reads" or progression of reads?

[Keyser Söze]

I mean,

it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum

. It's just him being an ass. Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.

True. He is a null-town-lean for me at the moment.
But like I said he is inviting pressure/a vote/an investigation on his slot.
I do not feel like anyone is able to engage with him so far on D1, as he is putting up a front (which I am giving him a marginal null-town-lean for).
If he does not 'open up' he will face the consequences (while I think scum don't want to line themselves up for the inevitable).

If what you meant was that you won't vote him if you think he's town, then you should have just said that.

Do you realise what you are posting? It is pressure but without focus or direction.

[Keyser Söze]

Show me where I say you know DeathNote's alignment.

makes me think you know DNs alignment.

How the f**k do I know DeathNote's alignment?
If you think I know, what alignment does that make DeathNote?

I'm looking forward to hearing his new scum-read (most of his last posts have been defensive, I prefer to see players on the offensive).
I'm off to see Star Wars: The Force Awakens now (no George Lucas or Jar Jar, WIN-WIN).

[Keyser Söze]

On mobile.
The 'I already know his alignment' bullshit miss-rep (1st reply)
The 'let's fish out a counter-claim' (2nd reply)
I.e I revisited your post twice. Both parts needed my attention.

Now answer my question. If you think I know DeathNote's alignment, what alignment does that make him?

[Keyser Söze]

JarJarDrinks, if you are town I think you may be blinded by confirmation bias:

See, I think this shows a pretty scummy mindset.

he immediately goes into scum defense mode cause he's being accused.

Yes, I immediately defended myself against your accusation that I "know DNs alignment". Why is this scum-indicative? Why can't I immediately defend myself against your slander? It was a "defensive" mindset. Not a "scummy" mindset.

He doesn't care about any other part of the post except the part that attacks him.

The second part of your post demanded my immediate attention (post 781), but it is not to say I did not care about the whole of your post. I have a defensive disposition, thus, I naturally react to counter everything I think is a lie.

After re-reading the interactions, I revisited your original post. I then responded to your "best case" scenario of 'DN making a claim and being countered by someone' (post 783). The idea was tactically a short-term high risk, but I realised the long term benefit, to counter the WIFOM DeathNote's post had created.

In conclusion, 1) I think your allegations that I know DeathNote's alignment is unfounded and false and 2) I believe you are wrong to call my defence as from a "scummy mindset" and that I am guilty of "scum defense mode". This points to the following i) it was a possible confirm-bias attack ii) it was possible miss-repping to try and miss-lynch me.

I will continue my observations on your thought-process.

[Keyser Söze]

I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.

Dwlee99, due to my frustration with the substance of your scum-cases and the content of your town/scum confirms, I posted that I wouldn't mind if you were lynched - as scum or town. This was very wrong of me to post this. If you are town and miss-lynched, me thinking it would be a "WIN" is very anti-town. I apologise for this post. My anti-town behaviour and attitudes works against my WIN-CON, thus, I feel ashamed looking back. Once I realised the majority of your ISO was just you tunneling me, I decided to help you scum-hunt:

Do you want to talk about any of your other "reads" or progression of reads?

I can understand clearly how town-Dwlee99 could think that someone saying your miss-lynch is a WIN, is both anti-town and scummy.

However, your ISO lacks an earnest progression of trying to find out the alignment of all the other players. Your apparent scum-read of me is clear, however, your focus is narrow. This concerns me greatly.

[Keyser Söze]

Still not giving reasons because I like watching robot get annoyed

I would appreciate it if you please explain your reads. I would like to study the thought-process behind who you are calling town and scum.

This is a good start:

Dwlee I'm reading based off his emotions on how I pushed him earlier.
He's also starting to do some town things I cant expand upon further.

Can you describe how those "emotions" were town-indicative? I usually find emotional posts hard to label with an alignment. Please could you list and explain these "town things" Dwlee99 is doing when you have time.

I weirdly feel like pisskop is trying harder than normal (?). It's a really shitty meta read, but I've never been able to read PK.

My scum-lean read of pisskop is not based on meta, but I found your comments interesting. I am currently frustrated with pisskop's reluctance to respond to my queries and questions.

I can buy Dwlee being town.

Cause he doesn't make sense as scumbuddies w/ a few of my other scumreads

.

I am curious - do you have any other reasons to town-read Dwlee99, except for pre-flip association tells with your other scum-reads?

[Keyser Söze]

Yo Keyser you didn't answer Dave's question about your vote on me mang

I will look it up now:

VOTE: Zulfy
Posting but not involved.

Were you paying attention to when the posts occurred? I could buy in to "not involved" as a scumtell but there would need to be something to be involved in at that time.

Yes, at the time I posted the vote I believe I was concerned by both the level of activity and content of your posts. It was early game, and it appears I must have looked at your posts in isolation.
When you posted you were V/LA, I felt the power of my vote was then redundant or best used elsewhere. I think your current observations and reads are very refreshing to read.

[Keyser Söze]

Not really sure about scum.

These were your scum-reads from earlier:

Scum Reads:
Deathnote
Nosferatu

Please could you quote and explain which posts made DeathNote and Nosferatu current town/null reads?

[Keyser Söze]

Marginal suspicion: Nosferatu.

I will begin by looking at Nosferatu's first vote:

VOTE: Dwlee
something bothers me about you and I don't know what. Post more so I can tell you why you're scum.

I was uncomfortable with his initial vote because I do not sense the sincerity or strength of it. I feel like he was obliged to vote for Dwlee99, and then a reason was added on (I do not believe even Nosferatu believed in this vote).

I did not understand the logic of his unvote either:

UNVOTE: Dwlee
just town with wrong opinions who can't handle pressure. If meta proves this has happened before with him as scum I'll consider moving back.

So did Nosferatu meta-check Dwlee99's completed games, to see if scum-Dwlee99 has "wrong opinions" or "can't handle pressure"? I feel like the "I'll consider moving back" final sentence keeps the vote-opportunity open.

I do not understand Nosferatu's current scum read/vote/reason on davesaz either:

VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

Thus, is Nosferatu's failure to post a solid scum read/vote/reason because he is a townie who only has town/null reads so far?

I never made a scum case. All of my previous scum reads have been overturned by me looking over and reconsidering

Or is scum-Nosferatu not actively pushing/pressing/questioning players, nor committing to scum reads to stay out of the focus of town?
Furthermore, what percentage of Nosferatu's 18 posts are Nosferatu scum-hunting?

[Keyser Söze]

Where do we go from here?

I am still all for scum hunting

and think Cow is a great day 1 lynch.

This sounded very positive after your defeatist "rant". However, since this promise, I have seen no signs of "scum hunting". Neither have you provided an argument for your "great day 1 lynch" of The Cow.

I think... I actually have a new scumread now.

unvote

How did your read of TheCow develop, do you now town/null read The Cow? If so, why?

I just don't have the patience to sit around and let people apply pressure to me so I try to speed things along.

I would love to see you "apply pressure" to your scum reads.

[Keyser Söze]

and townreading:

RC
FA
Aero
Frog

If these are your four strongest town-reads, please could you quote and explain the posts by Fro99er you think are town-indicative.

Can we just agree to lynch

Cow

or

FA

or Jestr so I don't have to deal with them any longer?

Do you want them lynched because you scum-read them, or because you are frustrated with them as players?

If DeathNote is town, this seems like a pretty strong town tell from JarJar;

Please can you explain how that is a "pretty strong town tell".

Keyser, I noticed a marked change in your posting style. Style 1 was very stilted where style 2 is more conversational. I don't think it is alignment indicative, but I'm curious why you changed.

I believe it is very important to convey my thoughts and communicate my points/reads as clearly as possible. We were 4 days into this game and I felt I wasn't having open/productive interactions with many of the players. Therefore, I felt an adjustment to my posting style was required.

pisskop (1) - Keyser Söze

pisskop continues to post in other threads but still neglects to address the pressing issues in this game. pisskop was one of the most active participants in this game, but I am very concerned that since the focus was on his posts/behaviour his activity has since declined.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

I would like to hear his latest thoughts of the "final wagons" he was pushing two days ago. I feel like my vote has been wasted for two days on a non-active slot who isn't defending himself / scum-hunting.

UNVOTE: pisskop

@AngryPidgeon

- what is the prod/activity/status on pisskop?

[Keyser Söze]

I never looked at any of dwlee's previous games. I meant that if someone alerted me that he did stuff like this as scum I would consider moving back. Did you just see the word meta and assume I looked at his previous games?

As it played an important part in your town-read of Dwlee99, I presumed you would have personally checked it yourself.

Every game someone takes a post of mine like the Keyser question and says it's not scumhunting, and I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Keyser, I noticed a marked change in your posting style. I don't think it is alignment indicative, but I'm curious why you changed.

I am wondering why you are committing your energies into questions/pressure into non-alignment indicative discussion. I was personally frustrated when you were pushing a supposed "logical inconsistency" in my posts - was this helping you find scum?
You earlier described it as "checking your townreads by having conversations with them". I could potentially see the "train of thought" in that regard, but I question the motive and end-goal in regard o hunting scum.

Here is Nosferatu's concern/scum-read:

The fact that there's no train of thought in his posts, and no actions in his posts either, points to the fact that he isn't interested in clearing the game, something town would want to do; thereby making dave obviously not town-aligned.

Out of all of dave's posts, only two contain actual statements that one could derive reads from. The rest are just a series of questions and a few fairly obvious statements.

Yes, I understand Nosferatu's frustration - most of davesaz's scum-reads end in neutral positions.

@davesaz - i) who are you scum-reading and ii) who are you willing to follow up with pressure (commitment to a read)? I am currently not town-reading you.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared.

Here you implied JarJarDrinks was role-fishing. Do you think this is scum-indicative? How does this effect your read of JarJarDrinks?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Cow

Not positive that he's scum but if he's town he's basically a GT account and I want him out of the game before it starts getting interesting.

I have actually reconsidered my position on TheCow. I believe all players do not deserve special treatment just because of playstyle. I think it would be beneficial to sort TheCow on Day One and not later in the game. TheCow needs to express his reads and throughts of players and the game. I now believe it was tactically naive of me to town-read TheCow and think he deserved a special pass to Day Two, just because I thought his playstyle would unlikely be employed by scum. Town/scum-reads should be based on actual

content

.

VOTE: TheCow

[Keyser Söze]

How the hell am I null after 100 posts?

I too, previously had a null read on your slot - because although you are one of the highest posters in the thread (over 100 posts), your reads/posts lacked substance and supporting reasons, and many of your posts were one-line flull/null posts that did not encourage scum-hunting or progress the game forward (null indicative). Moreover, the fact you are on holiday was a suffice reasons for me

not

to fear you were active lurking.

Your latest post providing the reason for your town-read of JarJarDrinks is more detailed (post 920) which I like it. I feel your past experience with JarJarDrinks plays a part in your current town read of him.

I like the active pressure you are putting on davesaz too (post 921, post 922, post 923). You are now actually focusing on details - I hope this continues.

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, I believe the following players need to increase their contributions before we enter the holiday season:

Wake88

,

Nero Cain

and

TheCow

. I do not have an understanding of who they are reading as town/null/scum, neither do they appear to be engaged in trying to find out people's alignment. I would prefer 3 active players in those slots.

Zulfy was V/LA so I await his conclusions after last night's catch-up. I believe his vote is still in RVS.

[Keyser Söze]

Alright ... , Alright ...

I won't bang my head anymore.

VOTE: Death Note

why you don't believe that for a second?
why you can't have a clear stance about my RVS vote?
Why your trying to discredit meta reading ?
and why your not trying to scum hunt - just acting wishy washy?

Your vote is still on DeathNote. Do you think DeathNote has given satisfactory answers to your questions? Why do you currently scum-read DeathNote?

[Keyser Söze]

No not really. Frog seems to be townreading dwlee so there's that.

With this knowledge in mind, are any of your other town reads or scum reads based on the fact your town reads are also town/scum reading that player?

DN
Wicked
TheCow
Dwlee
Keyser

and townreading:

RC
FA
Aero
Frog

He was conceding that WIN-WIN wasn't a good way to describe what he was saying.

In that particular post my frustration led me to post sarcastically. This admittedly was not productive/pro-town play by me. I have since apologised for my actions.

I played a game w/ town-frog before and he's acting completely the same. Sure, people can succesfully emulate thier meta but I haven't seen anything scummy from frog @ all this game so I'll be townreading him untill I have a reason not to.

What in particular is Fro99er doing that is "completely the same"?

Does u singling out the frog read mean that you agree w/ townreading the other 3 ?

I singled out Fro99er because I was null-reading him at the time. Therefore, I was very curious to hear why he was one of your strongest town-reads. Fro99er has explained his strong town-read of you too now.

[Keyser Söze]

I am in a kind of awkward position right now in the game and don't want to vote or give my scum read or full claim.

Please explain to me why sharing your scum-read is awkward/a bad idea. If you are lynched/night-killled, your reads/thoughts will die with you. Please share your scum-reads.

[Keyser Söze]

Vote Count 1.14

TheCow (4) - Aeronaut, Keyser Söze, Frozen Angel, Kwlee99
davesaz (4) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, Fro99er
Frozen Angel (2) - Nero Cain, pisskop
Keyser Söze (1) - Zulfy
Nosferatu (1) - TheCow
Dwlee99 (1) - Wake88
DeathNote (1) - JarJarDrinks

Not voting (2) - davesaz, DeathNote

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

Activity is fine right now.

Please can you confirm that it takes 9 votes to lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

Moderate suspicion: DeathNote

@DeathNote

- I

strongly

suggest you begin "scum hunting" and not hinting about "mostly confirmable" role claims.

Where do we go from here?

I am still all for scum hunting

and think Cow is a great day 1 lynch.

This sounded very positive after your defeatist "rant". However, since this promise, I have seen no signs of "scum hunting". Neither have you provided an argument for your "great day 1 lynch" of The Cow.

I think... I actually have a new scumread now.

unvote

How did your read of TheCow develop, do you now town/null read The Cow? If so, why?

I just don't have the patience to sit around and let people apply pressure to me so I try to speed things along.

I would love to see you "apply pressure" to your scum reads.

[Keyser Söze]

- Moving his votes alot
- paying alot of attention to people that attack him
- self meta'ing
- just making a shitload of posts

Like I just feel like when something crosses frogs mind, he just immediately spits it out w/o giving it too much thought. Scum should be thinking about and choosing their words more carefully.

Regarding your meta town-read of Fro99er, I like/believe the reason I highlighted in bold. Although, I believe the four points addressed higher could be imitated as scum more easily.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

What does your scum meta in your "wiki" have to do with your scum indicative behaviour in

this

game?

but besides that; if Aero is the weakest and Soze is strongest, this is in an order, and my name is last. Meaning you clearly just stuck my name on at the end.

This is a good observation. His read list is evidently sorted vertically, but he has not stated whether it is sorted horizontally yet. If it is, then yes, there is a contradiction in saying "Aero is the weakest of the strong" when you are listed last.

will today be the day I catch up?

I hope your contributions improve after the holidays.

If DeathNote is town, then I seriously doubt that JarJar-scum says the bolded. He wouldn’t make ask if DeathNote is confirmed scum if

he

was scum that knew DeathNote was town. So I think JarJar can only be scum if DeathNote is scum too.

My basic understanding of your point is that: '

scum would not defend town

', but only '

scum would defend scum

'. Is this correct?

Please reword if you can as I am having trouble understanding this post.

Simply put, I was dissatisfied with the content of your early ISO and I am now satisfied with your input since coming back.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser treats me like I'm a moron

I do not think you are a moron. I only asked that you explain your reads and statements (which I have asked other players too). Reads without reasons are empty. However, you are now expressing your thoughts and explaining your reads in detail, which helps me follow your thought-process.

vote: davesaz

Please tell me in your own words why you are scum-reading davesaz.

[Keyser Söze]

Furthermore, please tell me if you still hold this mindset:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Or have your feelings of pushing "final wagons" of the above players changed? Moreover, please could you divulge who were the "And possibly others". I am very curious to hear your latest read of Frozen Angel.

[Keyser Söze]

Not really sure about scum.

I am so fing confused.

I guess I will vote cow.

VOTE: Cow

VOTE: Dave

I dig

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.

[Keyser Söze]

davesaz (5) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, Fro99er, JarJarDrinks

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

vote: davesaz

VOTE: Dave

I dig

VOTE: davesaz

My vote makes it

L-1

.

[Keyser Söze]

@Keyser

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of davesaz

Thank you for interacting with me Fro99er. This is a positive step forward.

Here are my interactions with/about davesaz with added thought-processes included in

red

:

Spoiler:

In the first quote you say you'll vote him if he's the scummiest, in the 2nd you say you'll vote him if you scum read him. Please explain.

Yes to both.
I will vote who I think is the scummiest.
I will vote who I scum-read.

@davesaz - is that scum-indicative?
That felt like a poor question to ask davesaz. What was you trying to clarify?
[

Does this aid his scum-hunting or does it keep active pressure on town?

]

Going by the first post, you'll vote the scummiest. So if he is scummy but not the scummiest, then you wont vote him.
Going by the 2nd post, you'll vote him if he's scummy regardless.

Yes, I'll vote for him if he is my top scum read or if I scum-read him.

Both can be true, if he's the only person you think is scummy. If not, then it's a logical inconsistency.
Or there may be a different explanation. In either case, with your answer (or lack of answer) I'll have more information for my reads.

It's quite simple: I vote for who I think is scum. If he is a town-read I won't be voting him. If I think he is the towniest player, I won't be voting him.

The same logic applies.

Your failure to grasp this and to turn it into a "logical inconsistency" is pathetic davesaz. [

Does this aid his scum-hunting or does it keep active pressure on town?

]

If what you meant was that you won't vote him if you think he's town, then you should have just said that.

Do you realise what you are posting? It is pressure but without focus or direction. [

Scum-indicative behaviour. Why does not davesaz put as much energy and purpose in his pursuit of scum?

]

Every game someone takes a post of mine like the Keyser question and says it's not scumhunting, and I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Keyser, I noticed a marked change in your posting style. I don't think it is alignment indicative, but I'm curious why you changed.

I am wondering why you are committing your energies into questions/pressure into non-alignment indicative discussion. I was personally frustrated when you were pushing a supposed "logical inconsistency" in my posts - was this helping you find scum?
You earlier described it as "checking your townreads by having conversations with them". I could potentially see the "train of thought" in that regard, but I question the motive and end-goal in regard to hunting scum.

Here is Nosferatu's concern/scum-read:

The fact that there's no train of thought in his posts, and no actions in his posts either, points to the fact that he isn't interested in clearing the game, something town would want to do; thereby making dave obviously not town-aligned.

Out of all of dave's posts, only two contain actual statements that one could derive reads from. The rest are just a series of questions and a few fairly obvious statements.

Yes, I understand Nosferatu's frustration - most of davesaz's scum-reads end in neutral positions. [

Will davesaz ever commit to a scum-read?

]

@davesaz - i) who are you scum-reading and ii) who are you willing to follow up with pressure (commitment to a read)? I am currently not town-reading you.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared.

Here you implied JarJarDrinks was role-fishing. Do you think this is scum-indicative? How does this effect your read of JarJarDrinks?

[Keyser Söze]

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?

First one onto dave.

Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.

[Keyser Söze]

Like - going from

"wall of questions without content" (paraphrase)

To

"I like his early questions" (direct quote)

Makes no sense. How can you completely change from what essentially reads as "his questions sucked" to "those exact same questions were good"

I like your reasoning here. A clear contradiction like this is scum-indicative.

[Keyser Söze]

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?

First one onto dave.

Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.

1) Dwlee99 admits he is voting davesaz for not actually scum reading him.
2) Dwlee99 admits he is town reading someone who voted for unconfirmed scum.

These are two positions that I believe a townie should not hold.

[Keyser Söze]

You both idiots if you think there are two scum inside of the neighborhood.

In a 3-person neighbourhood, 2 x 'red' mafia and 1 x townie looks unlikely/imbalanced.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: pisskop

I will post my reasons later this morning. I am still not town reading Frozen Angel so a thorough catch up from her slot will be beneficial. Her ISO is full of expressive/emotional defence. I need to see that same passion and direction in her

scum hunting

.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm not playing this game anymore.

If you feel this way, please can you replace out. Getting yourself purposefully mod-killed goes against the spirit of the game.

[Keyser Söze]

Whats the fun of that? I want them to see my flip.

Please do not make this game personal. It is only a game on a mafia forum. If you are town, play to your WIN-CON. I would hate to see this game ruined by unsportsmanship/anti-town behaviour. Day One was a success, take a step back from defending yourself and start scum-hunting.

[Keyser Söze]

@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

[Keyser Söze]

I've tried this.

Just take my word for it,

I've yet to misread her

.

I will address your change of read of Frozen Angel in this game later (the timing of Zulfy's case on her is interesting too).

[Keyser Söze]

and I want to teach this

shitty town

and everyone else a lesson.

Who are you addressing here?

please lynch me.

Please can you

replace out

Frozen Angel. I want players who have joined this game to actually

play the game

. We still have 20 days left of Day Two and I plan to use at least half of it. The Day Two play has become very

theatrical

since Zulfy's case on Frozen Angel.

[Keyser Söze]

FA is fairly obvious scum. We'll know if she is scum because she gets chainsawwy about partners and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

@pisskop - do you think your description of Frozen Angel applies here?

Who has Frozen Angel got "chainsawwy about"?
What do you think Frozen Angel's "endgoal" is?
What part of her "emtional tag" is scum indicative?

[Keyser Söze]

its toward my wincon to get lynched, since town will understand how stupid they were.

This attitude is very disappointing Frozen Angel.

Please replace out

.

@AngryPidgeon

- please replace Frozen Angel for the sake of the game's integrity.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: pisskop

I will post my reasons later this morning

. I am still not town reading Frozen Angel so a thorough catch up from her slot will be beneficial. Her ISO is full of expressive/emotional defence. I need to see that same passion and direction in her scum hunting.

I will post this later.


TheCow needs to catch-up, share his thoughts.
I would like to hear Zulfy's views on the posts/votes on the Frozen Angel wagon so far (there has been a big shift since Zulfy left the thread earlier).

[Keyser Söze]

has become very

theatrical

since Zulfy's case on Frozen Angel.

Zulfy calls Frozen Angel scum...

i quit im fucking done go play mafia without me

Mod I request a replacement. I cant.

Asking for replace out

[Keyser Söze]

Here is my suspicion on pisskop.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why was Dwlee99 part of your personal lynch pool? You had previously called him a town-lean (post 386). Your early D1 ISO was fixated on Frozen Angel, but I am not seeing your cases/pressure/pushes on TheCow or Wickedestjr. Post 632 feels like scum-indicative/opportunistic wagon pushing. "And possibly others" adds to that sentiment.

Pisskop had a little burst of activity and faded when it didn't yield anything. I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, but it's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

This exchange stinks. From davesaz's read of pisskop, and pisskop's

"read my scum meta, read my scum meta, read my scum meta"

reply...


pisskop sheeps a vote on davesaz's wagon (post 1016). pisskop had previously had no focus/press/case on davesaz.

We aren derailing this lynch; and sure as pootin' aint dong it before he claims.

Dont yo guys know how awful last minute wagon-switches are?

We arent hopping off an L-1 unclaimed person to go to another person. You wanted to rope dwlee, you should have done it before we L-1ed dave. Tomorrow/

Dave is going to claim, and we are going to move on from there.

Lets go balls to the walls and follow our feels or some shit.

Since when did pisskop think/know davesaz was scum? pisskop had presented no davesaz-scum narrative and is now its biggest pusher.

I feel like like pisskop realised davesaz was dead-weight scum and decided to bus -

who the f**k cares about a Mafia Neighbor anyway?

I sunk dave.

Incorrect. You pushed his wagon that already had momentum. You did not sink him with a scum-case either. Saying

"I sunk dave"

is scummy.


Posts that pisskop has not responded to:

Spoiler:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

@pisskop - answer please.

It seems like you are trying to orchestrate the lynch wagons for D1.
You are in no position to do so.

Present your cases.
Push your cases.

No Darth Sidious shit.

So sue me or vote me.

Can you please answer my questions/serious concern from post 657 so I can move on.
You not responding stops any productive interactions between us.

I mean I have in my other posts; my other recent posts in which the same question was fielded.

Still not seeing it.

Why "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow"?

Why Keysor "would also be lynchable"?

Why "And possibly others"?


It seems like you were open to many lynches/orchestrating us.
I would prefer to see you push your own individual scum-cases, and not push multiple/possible lynch wagons.

The game only started this weekend, why did you feel you were in a position to post this?

If I could see evidence of your strong scum reads of "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow", "Keysor" and "possibly others" - I would understand.

pisskop continues to post in other threads but still neglects to address the pressing issues in this game. pisskop was one of the most active participants in this game, but I am very concerned that since the focus was on his posts/behaviour his activity has since declined.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

I would like to hear his latest thoughts of the "final wagons" he was pushing two days ago. I feel like my vote has been wasted for two days on a non-active slot who isn't defending himself / scum-hunting.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

What does your scum meta in your "wiki" have to do with your scum indicative behaviour in

this

game?

Furthermore, please tell me if you still hold this mindset:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Or have your feelings of pushing "final wagons" of the above players changed? Moreover, please could you divulge who were the "And possibly others". I am very curious to hear your latest read of Frozen Angel.

[Keyser Söze]

4 maf or 3+SK

No way it's solo 3. It's 3 maf for 13 on this site.

Agreed. Based on a balanced 16 player game, it's usually a 4:1 town:scum ratio. Thus, I'd expect 3 mafia + 1 SK, or 4 mafia.

[Keyser Söze]

So its FA/Key/Drinks

I see parts of a scum case of Frozen Angel in your light ISO, but can I see your full scum-case on myself and JarJarDrinks.

[Keyser Söze]

I really dont want this lynch to go through.

VOTE: Frozen

What changed Dwlee99?

As I'm out I won't talk about this game anymore - or answer any question asked me in last pages.

I just wanted to apologize for ruining the fun of game.

Sorry everyone. have happy new frozen year

Happy New Frozen Year too x

Come back when you are ready.

[Keyser Söze]

I felt that their emotion was scum-indicative nos.

Describe to me "scum-indicative" emotion.

[Keyser Söze]

This question is to Jar Jar, Keyzor and Frogger.

Lets say Mollie flips scum, why should I not want you dead?

Show me your scum-JarJarDrinks, scum-Keyser Söze and scum-Fro99er case. I'm here to find scum, and not waste time telling you that I'm town.

So its FA/Key/Drinks

I see parts of a scum case of Frozen Angel in your light ISO, but can I see your full scum-case on myself and JarJarDrinks.

These are just empty pre-flip association scum-team theories with zero supporting argument.

I recommend you add meat to your ISO.

[Keyser Söze]

Nero is town Keysor.

So is frogger.

What was that? Did I say otherwise?

And Ultimately I have to admit you probs are too.

If you think I am town, stop wasting my time and answer these questions

please

:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why was Dwlee99 part of your personal lynch pool? You had previously called him a town-lean (post 386). Your early D1 ISO was fixated on Frozen Angel, but I am not seeing your cases/pressure/pushes on TheCow or Wickedestjr. Post 632 feels like scum-indicative/opportunistic wagon pushing. "And possibly others" adds to that sentiment.

[Keyser Söze]

you must be doing great work.

Affirmative. Thank you. I am enjoying my time here on mafiascum.

Now, please present your cases (post 2147).

I want to see your scum-JarJarDrinks, scum-Keyser Söze and scum-Fro99er case

now

.




@pisskop. Thanks.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser...why have you all but disappeared this day phase?

One new ongoing game needed me. I'm here now.

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, pirate mollie has had a couple days to form/develop some town/null/scum reads - I'd like to hear them please. If she can do this without people shouting "YOU'RE SCUM" at her, she then can't reply "I'M TOWN" then retreat into defense-mode. Those exchanges go in endless circles. I understand she was replacing in to a slot which was coming under serious heat but I don't want to hear one more defensive/defeatist post. Reads and thoughts will suffice. The postcount of this game is already ridiculous.

I am also glad Fro99er has decided not to replace out - as he is one of the few players who is actually sharing his thoughts outside of the wagon he is pushing.

I don't know what DeathNote is doing - ever since he's roleclaimed BP does he now think he can take a back seat? We need a pro-active approach from you now, seeming as if you are town-aligned you are a great powerful asset. Your recent behaviour just screams

'don't give a f**k about finding scum'

aka SK/scum or bad-town. Which one is it?

Nosferatu's push sank davesav D1, so has won great town-cred. I feel many town-read him at the moment (me including). He's been quiet D2, so I guess we're all waiting to see him make his next big push. I feel like he is losing patience with the Frozen Angel-pirate mollie slot too.

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, pirate mollie has had a couple days to form/develop some town/null/scum reads - I'd like to hear them please. If she can do this without people shouting "YOU'RE SCUM" at her, she then can't reply "I'M TOWN" then retreat into defense-mode. Those exchanges go in endless circles. I understand she was replacing in to a slot which was coming under serious heat but I don't want to hear one more defensive/defeatist post. Reads and thoughts will suffice. The postcount of this game is already ridiculous.

Ok, no reads or thoughts posted. This slot needs to be replaced yet again - it requires someone to

play the game

. My patience is at an all time low.

Sure thing boss. don't hurt Mollie slot, ill kill her tonight for you.

Well at least DeathNote has made the decision easier for us when we decide to lynch him.


I would love another catch-up post from TheCow - but something tells me his next one will kill him

So its FA/Key/Drinks. ok

Any movement from here Nero Cain?


When I have time I'm going to dig up davesaz's ISO and then post my full reads.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser:
1)Is that pic of you?
2) You said the timing of my FA vote was interesting. Please explain why.

1) No, that is Jaqen H'ghar, from the Game of Thrones.
2) The Dwlee99 wagon (Fro99er, Frozen Angel, JarJarDrinks) was still in force but the Frozen Angel wagon (pisskop, Nero Cain) was still lagging behind. Your vote and scum-case provoked a raucous of reactions, melt-downs and replace outs. It still remains the leading wagon of D2.

Also Keyser if you can vote FA's slot now that'd be pretty great.

We have plenty of time for a replacement. I feel like my vote (or especially fro99er's vote) on the Frozen Angel slot will push the wagon to an early hammer. Plus, many players are sitting back (waiting to see us lynch pirate mollie? not wanting to change the focus of her slot? or if scum, waiting for the opportune time to bus... basically it needs support from the town-read players before it is considered seriously.) Do the people scum-reading pirate mollie think the people who are opposing the pirate mollie lynch are scum? are they pushing counter wagons? These are questions I'd be asking if I had a strong scum-read of pirate mollie.


Maybe come back here later too:

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

[Keyser Söze]

I am unsure about rc. I know you have reasons to think he is town but I wld really have loved to have town interactions with him which hasn't happened yet.

Is it just his lack of "town interactions" with you why you are unsure about RC, or can you highlight any posts that are scum-indicative?

[Keyser Söze]

can I discuss reads with some1 plz?

Who else are you scum-reading?

Is there anyone you have failed to read?

Which votes on your wagon do you think are sincere, which ones are opportunistic?

Who would you describe as lynch-bait right now?

Who do you think will be night-killed?

[Keyser Söze]

We have 18 more days. Replace out or start your game now.


If fro99er was actually softing a town PR do you think it is a good thing to highlight? Or do you strongly think he is scum?

We have asked you many times to take a step back, breathe and extend your focus to the other players. Your refusal to do this is anti-town/scummy. Your slot had already jeopardized the integrity of the game by threatening to get themselves modkilled. Encouraging/waiting to be lynched is poor too - this is only a forum game, play it.

Do you want to be lynched, replaced or do you want to play to your supposed town WIN-CON?

[Keyser Söze]

Can we do like Keyser or Zulfy or something

Show me scum-Keyser, scum-Zulfy or scum-something.



P.EDIT: Yes, scum don't usually beg to be lynched unless they're setting up a scum-bus. And this is too drawn out/shit to be one. Why won't scum hammer her? Were scum already on her wagon? We have pisskop tunneling on pirate mollie, and pirate mollie defence tunneling pisskop. I wish they realised there were other players in the game who need to be sorted.

[Keyser Söze]

I am unsure about rc. I know you have reasons to think he is town but I wld really have loved to have town interactions with him which hasn't happened yet.

Is it just his lack of "town interactions" with you why you are unsure about RC, or can you highlight any posts that are scum-indicative?

@pirate mollie - did you explain this? Why are you unsure of RC?

I don't want to see you say "I will flip town" one more time. No more defending. Attack please.

P.EDIT: do you think I am "mischaracterizing" you because I am town with an opinion of your attitude displayed this game, or scum who wants you lynched?

[Keyser Söze]

I want to hear your thoughts on everyone not called pisskop.

We have plenty of time to discuss your reads.

[Keyser Söze]

he's my primary scumread atm.

It's the first I've heard of it. When did I become your primary scumread? Before or after where you kept flip-flopping over the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon?

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

Where did I say I think/know pirate mollie is town?
How can I be bussing pirate mollie?
I've wanted to give that slot a fair chance, but no where did I claim pirate mollie was town. That slot deserves pressure.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here,

All I ask is for someone in that slot to present their reads and not threaten to rulebreak/overreact/tunnel/get mod-killed/want to be lynched. I have been

very clear

about this. I have not town-read that slot since Frozen Angel was sat in that chair. Because of their emotional/defensive dispositions I feel like that slot has not played to its potential, therefore, we risk a miss-lynch if that slot is town. If the slot fails to contribute to the game it will be lynched/replaced. That is why I asked pirate mollie to take a step back from her defence tunnel on pisskop, breathe, and share her reads on

everyone else

.

plus his awful daves associatives.

Please highlight all these awful "associatives".

[Keyser Söze]

nosferatu is an alt I am pretty sure about this. froggy vetting her like is makes me unsure of froggy

What does nosferatu being an alt have anything to do with his alignment (and others like fro99er)?
What do you make of his posts? His D1 scum-case on davesav? His interactions with davesav?
I don't know how trying to fugure out if he is an alt or not helps you find out his alignment.

[Keyser Söze]

See:

Who has Frozen Angel got "chainsawwy about"?
What do you think Frozen Angel's "endgoal" is?
What part of her "emtional tag" is scum indicative?

Shit like this that you said to PK highly implies that you're townreading or at the very least nullreading her, yeah. Are you denying it?

I was asking pisskop to look at his own scum-read of Frozen Angel. How are my questions scum-indicative?
Very early in the game, pisskop posted this:

FA is fairly obvious scum. We'll know if she is scum because she gets chainsawwy about partners and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

I was wondering if pisskop saw all these signs in her current play.

I was certainly not town-reading or scum-reading that slot. In post 1622, when my patience with Frozen Angel was brinkering on the edge I made this comment:

VOTE: pisskop

I will post my reasons later this morning.

I am still not town reading Frozen Angel so a thorough catch up from her slot will be beneficial

. Her ISO is full of expressive/emotional defence. I need to see that same passion and direction in her

scum hunting

.

It has truly been a horror show. However, it appear pirate mollie is now looking at the game critically with wider focus.

I don't like how she became a scumread when it got to the point where her lynch might need your vote.

You posting this moves you to scum-lean.
Show me where I was scum-reading/pushing Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's lynch (and why it is "scummy")
Show me where you think I wanted to vote/hammer/push her wagon.
I've tried to show as much patience as possible on her slot.
You are actually describing your own play here - flip-flopping/changing your read on her slot countless times. You realise pirate mollie isn't getting lynched, what do you do, say your #1 scum read is Keysor who could have hammered her anytime he wanted, but then you place an easy vote on

'I'm-a-serial-killer-Death-Town-hehe-or-am-I-hehe?'

Where the f**k is your vote on me?!

"Primary scumread" my arse

[Keyser Söze]

You made a bunch of posts giving reasons to scumread Davesaz, criticizing his questioning and such, then never voted him and completely forgot about him.

786, 793, 797 all expressed suspicion of Davesaz and then he completely dropped off your radar and you said nothing about him till he got lynched.

Me being on or off the davesav wagon shouldn't buy me town-cred. What should buy me town-cred is my read/scum-case on him. Do you think an empty vote on davesav's wagon has more weight that my scum-case on him?

"You made a bunch of posts giving reasons to scumread Davesaz" YES. That's scum-hunting.
"completely forgot about him" NO. He was one of my "primary scum reads" / frustrations.
"786, 793, 797 all expressed suspicion of Davesaz" YES. That's scum-hunting.
"completely dropped off your radar" NO. Still on my radar, but I believe in widening your focus to all the players. What if I had tunneled him and he flipped town? It is tactically wrong.
"you said nothing about him till he got lynched" NO. I was engaged before his lynch. Sharing my reads/case with fro99er.

[Keyser Söze]

why are you cherry-picking my posts? are you trying to find reasons to justify your sticky vote?

I am a meta player so hell yeah if I get a whiff of some1 being an alt I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty. I have been burned by alts before and I am pretty sure that most of the site knows how I feel about them at this point.

What is wrong with my vote on pisskop, do you town-read him?

I am indeed "cherry-picking" the points I have problems with.

Where are the rest of your reads?

There are over 100 pages to look at.

"I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty" - so a "shitty alt" is scum-indicative? If he is an alt, why can't he be town-Nosferatu? I am sadly not seeing how "alts are shitty" is helping you find out his alignment.

[Keyser Söze]

"I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty" - so a "shitty alt" is scum-indicative? If he is an alt, why can't he be town-Nosferatu? I am sadly not seeing how "alts are shitty" is helping you find out his alignment.

LIKE HOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DONT REALIZE THAT SHES NOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE SCUMMY FOR BEING ON ALTS

HOW DOES THAT CONCLUSION EVEN MAKE AN IOTA OF FUCKING SENSE

Why do you think she mentioned it? Do you think she keeps bringing it up if it's null? Stop shouting and overacting. This high-emotion/apathy is killing this game. Stop it.

I am wondering why Nosferatu being an alt leads to anywhere...

why are you expecting me to have reads on players that I have not interacted with?

Hey, you're the one who replaced in. I would expect you to at least look at how the scum-lynch on D1 unfolded (do you think anyone was bussing davesav, who had the strongest scum-read/case on him?) Or what are your thoughts with the interactions with scum-davesav and the other players. If not, I'll just have to move on and wait for the lurkers to come back online.

[Keyser Söze]

What is wrong with my vote on pisskop, do you town-read him?

Why would townreading him be the first reason you have to suggest that she'd have a problem with your vote?

If she scum-reads pisskop, why the f**k would she have a problem with my vote sat on his slot? It is logical to conclude if mollie scum-reads pisskop, she would not attack my vote/read of pisskop.

[Keyser Söze]

plus his awful daves associatives.

Interestingly, did you think anyone else had "awful" associatives with davesav, or was it just me?

[Keyser Söze]

[Keyser Söze]

What are we actually discussing here? Being disgenuine with your profile details is not alignment indicative.

[Keyser Söze]

I could be a 41 year old transvestite living addicted to dilaudid living in Tegucigalpa

Pictures please.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm going to tear that wagon/PR roleclaim/early hammer apart when I'm online later.

Need to sift out the opportunistic scum from the toxic town and misled townies. Let's use all the day phase ladies and gents.

[Keyser Söze]

Quick question, do town cops get a guilty on serial killers?

[Keyser Söze]

Quick question: Wickedestjr was investigated as Miller by Nero Cain - is Wickedestjr therefore confirmed town?
How many Normal Set-Ups have both a Town Rolecop and Town Cop in the same game, to investigate a Town Miller?

[Keyser Söze]

I have just finished reading Day Two. Here are my reads:

Town reads

Wickedestjr
Nosferatu

Town lean

pirate mollie
Wake88
Zulfy/Titus
JarJarDrinks

Null town lean

Dwlee99

Null scum lean

TheCow/Firebringer

Scum lean

DeathNote

Scum reads

pisskop
RadiantCowbells



My scum reads still remain pisskop and RadiantCowbells.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I will present my full scum-case within the next 48 hours.



If you want a sneak preview, something on the lines of... opportunistic bandwagoner... pushing the D2 scum-led FA/pirate mollie wagon... insincere reads... pushing for SK/BP?/DeathNote lynch... rolecop town-confirming a miller, yes... a cop too? GTFO.

[Keyser Söze]

hey keyser

I am not really seeing where you scumread rc before your list. I do see where you went after pisskop which makes this post kind of strange.

Read from http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7518997. Here, RadiantCowbells became a scum-lean (day two activity).

[Keyser Söze]

Those are damn close to my reads Keysor. I wasn't crazy about Zulf but Titus has looked pretty town to me so I'd probably agree w/ him being a townlean now. I'd bump mollie up as she's a solid townread for me. Then I'd probably switch Dwlee and firebringer. And I'd put you as a townlean. Rest of this list is $$$

Dwlee99's voting behaviour was shocking on D2 (naked votes) - too scummy to be scum bought him town points in my eyes. His defence of RadiantCowbells is alarming though. TheCow's lack of contributions made me doubt my read of him (I was WIFOM'd out), Firebringer will need to share some thoughts before I am comfortable with that slot. My reads may have slightly altered due to pirate mollie's set-up findings too. DeathNote has not behaved like a bulletproof townie, and the way RadiantCowbells was pushing his D2 lynch makes me fear DeathNote is a serial killer. Have I seen town-DeathNote this game? No.

[Keyser Söze]

Keysor still has yet to answer my question about his read and his votepark.

Yes, my vote was parked on my strongest scum-read.

His scumreads are safe and dont make waves. He wont explain them, and he posts those obnoxious gifs that dont even look good all over the place.

Are any of those reasons scum-indicative? No. You only have one reason to be voting for me, self-preservation.

I am engaged in another game, but I'll make it 24 hours just for you

[Keyser Söze]

Keysor isnt explaining his scumreads.

"Not explaining my scumreads?" Miss-repping is a newb-scum-tell, pisskop.

I will gladly share my scum full-case in the next

24 hours

, and express

all

my reads

[Keyser Söze]

You cannot keep revising your roleclaim and night actions RadiantCowbells, especially when Nero Cain claimed Town Role Cop on Day Two and you forced his lynch. Why didn't you full roleclaim then and discuss it with

everybody

?

[Keyser Söze]

Keysor spent the better part of D1 interacting with dave and calling him out as being weak and illogical, then attacked those voting it.

On day one, I scum-read davesaz and voted my scum-read.

[Keyser Söze]

Titus is scum the vca is awful.
At least in justified you said that "unless Ut's plan was to hard bus his buddies"

I've nearly finished my analysis.

Zulfy/Titus did not scum-slip, he/she is very likely town. We are not lynching that slot.

RadiantCowbells
pisskop
Dwlee99

Your time is up!

[Keyser Söze]

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells

Part One

I will look at RadiantCowbells' Day 3 posts later, but his posts around the Nero Cain lynch alone point to RadiantCowbells being scum.

RadiantCowbells begins the day "leaning town" on Nero due to his posts surrounding the Frozen Angel wagon (post 3024). Between this post and his eventual shift to scum-reading Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells was pushing DeathNote's lynch:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' push for DeathNote's lynch

DN is fucking scum regardless of what neighbourhood he's in.

you're scumclaiming atm.

I don't think there's a chance in hell I unvote DN for the rest of this game, yeah. Literally 180ing your PoV because someone else suggested a different possibility that makes no sense is not town aligned.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

are you interested in voting Keyser or DN with me, or do you have any other candidates that you'd like to push?

PLS VOTE DN WITH ME

PLS.

get the fuck off mollie and vote DN

and he's done absolutely nothing since then to make me think he's town.

What about DN or KS.

don't fucking hammer someone unless you flashwagon DN

Help me get DN plsssssss

[Note: I want to see RadiantCowbells flip before presenting a full RadiantCowbells-pisskop scum-team-case so I will show how RadiantCowbells is scum, and pisskop are scum individually. After re-reading D2 I would add Dwlee99's name to that scum-team too. At this time, pisskop (L-3) was the leading wagon (post 3643). Only, Dwlee99 was supporting the DeathNote wagon with RadiantCowbells (we will notice later how Dwlee99 always follows where RadiantCowbells is voting)]
So, RadiantCowbells has pushed a Death Note lynch since D1:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' D1 push for DeathNote's lynch

Literally guarantee you the dude's scum.

There's literally no town motivation for such feelings whatsoever.

Substantiate or suffocate DN.

VOTE: Deathnote

DN is sufficiently independently scummy for me to be interested in pursuing it regardless of his presence or absence in a neighbourhood.

we're lynching this.

VOTE: DeathNote

RadiantCowbells will push the DeathNote lynch with assured conviction but will jump off very easily if a better opportunity arises [1) bussing his deadweight scum-partner davesav, 2) lynching lynch-bait Frozen Angel/pirate mollie 3) lynching the town role cop].

I liked some of what you said while FA was being wagoned but you sidelining during this PK Mollie situation is scummy as fuck.

Nero Cain began attacking the much town-read fro99er (this was his mistake) - I believe scum realised this was a good time to hide behind town here, and attack their accuser. RadiantCowbells has often used his changing read and position on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's lynch against others. Now anybody who didn't want Frozen Angel's/pirate mollie's lynch is scummy.

Especially the guys playing both sides of the fence between you and Mollie. Kesyer, DN, maybe JarJar.

RadiantCowbells chooses which players look good or bad by their interactions with Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. At one point RadiantCowbells asserts that Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's wagon is town, because scum would have already hammered her... and then othertimes when he is scum reading that slot, scum-reading players that are defending that slot i.e saying that they are scum-partners. It is all contradictions - play to support the wagon/scum-reads he is pushing for that particular time i.e opportunism.

Here is RadiantCowbells' full reads on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. RadiantCowbells has constantly contradicted himself by shifting to town-to scum-to town to fit the momentum of the wagon on her slot:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' changing read of Frozen Angel/pirate mollie

She's town here, 100%.

I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence.

She relates to me differently, she's a lot less scumhunty and more sort of calling people scum and shoving lynches through, and she gets a lot more flip-out-y with her emotional reactions.

we're never lynching FA this game.

She's town here.

I really don't see FA scum as even a possibility here, regardless of associatives.

Reread and I guess I still think she's town.

k cuz read on FA is based entirely on fucking alignment related info.

FA does all of the above as town though.

I mean it's definitely possible that she's scum, I'm not denying that.

I just hate the way people went around the wagon and its making me incredibly reluctant to vote her with people like Zulfy pushing it.

The miller shit bugs the heck out of me and I'd expect Town!FA to omgus the shit out of PK and make him her priority target, and the absence of that makes me feel that she isn't as emotionally impacted as she's claiming to be.

VOTE: FA

VOTE: FA

The fact that she immediately unvoted when she definitely knows she can't be banned for doing it stands apart from everything else.

I don't think she's town here.

I'm amazed by the lengths she's going here but she's not town.

Your mood completely changed when I stopped reacting to your over the top screaming.

Just take my word for it, I've yet to misread her.

she's scum.

I'm still leaning scum on the slot

FA's probably scum

FA's said and done crazy shit like that as scum before.

Still think she's more likely to be scum than Zulfy

alright that fucking settles it

VOTE: mollie

I'm pretty sure Mollie's scumclaimed at this point and is just trying to avoid creating any further associatives since she won't give any reads.

Look what I can't fucking understand is how you guys don't realize that if FA was town she'd have been lynched literally eons ago.

If this was town, the wagon wouldn't have stalled all day.

UNVOTE: PM

idk

yeah sorry PK but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

Most of it's just the way FA reacted out of game more than anything but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

I've been thinking about that line forever and I don't think that mollie scum would have either had or falsified a thought process that would lead to that thought being expressed like that.

And yeah, I somewhat feel the same way.

I'm kinda worried that my personal situation with FA has fucked with my judgement but like, I get it, mollie not doing anything, but idk.

Like everything says that I should be lynching this but I just got this gut feeling that it's the wrong move and I know it cuz I keep trying to think through what my reads are gonna be when she flips scum and I really can't get anywhere on that front sorta like I know this is gonna end up flipping town but yea

I actually feel way better about this game now that I'm not voting Mollie anymore.

I'm taking that as confirmation.

yea cuz I was thinking that you not getting lynched probs meant you were scum but there's so many people passively standing around not rly voting you or pushing scumreads and I'm starting to wonder if scum wants town to push this lynch through then use it as justification to push a ML onto like PK or myself who were on the wagon.

My position on pirate mollie was very clear:

Spoiler: My opinion/concern with her wagon

Keyser:
1)Is that pic of you?
2) You said the timing of my FA vote was interesting. Please explain why.

1) No, that is Jaqen H'ghar, from the Game of Thrones.
2) The Dwlee99 wagon (Fro99er, Frozen Angel, JarJarDrinks) was still in force but the Frozen Angel wagon (pisskop, Nero Cain) was still lagging behind. Your vote and scum-case provoked a raucous of reactions, melt-downs and replace outs. It still remains the leading wagon of D2.

Also Keyser if you can vote FA's slot now that'd be pretty great.

We have plenty of time for a replacement. I feel like my vote (or especially fro99er's vote) on the Frozen Angel slot will push the wagon to an early hammer. Plus, many players are sitting back (waiting to see us lynch pirate mollie? not wanting to change the focus of her slot? or if scum, waiting for the opportune time to bus... basically it needs support from the town-read players before it is considered seriously.) Do the people scum-reading pirate mollie think the people who are opposing the pirate mollie lynch are scum? are they pushing counter wagons? These are questions I'd be asking if I had a strong scum-read of pirate mollie.


Maybe come back here later too:

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

he's my primary scumread atm.

It's the first I've heard of it. When did I become your primary scumread? Before or after where you kept flip-flopping over the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon?

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

Where did I say I think/know pirate mollie is town?
How can I be bussing pirate mollie?
I've wanted to give that slot a fair chance, but no where did I claim pirate mollie was town. That slot deserves pressure.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here,

All I ask is for someone in that slot to present their reads and not threaten to rulebreak/overreact/tunnel/get mod-killed/want to be lynched. I have been

very clear

about this. I have not town-read that slot since Frozen Angel was sat in that chair. Because of their emotional/defensive dispositions I feel like that slot has not played to its potential, therefore, we risk a miss-lynch if that slot is town. If the slot fails to contribute to the game it will be lynched/replaced. That is why I asked pirate mollie to take a step back from her defence tunnel on pisskop, breathe, and share her reads on

everyone else

.

plus his awful daves associatives.

Please highlight all these awful "associatives".

I don't like nero and now that I think your slot is town it makes me like his reaction to your wagon a lot less.

VOTE: Nero

RadiantCowbells sense the momentum on Nero Cain and now has the bakcing of fr099er (the accused) and pirate mollie (the waggoned innocent). Again, RadiantCowbells is using his new stance on the pirate mollie wagon against people to force a miss-lynch.

you're questioning everyone who townreads you why.

what's the end to you asking me why I townread you? what does my answer mean?

what were you looking for from it?

These questions serve no purpose other than to keep the pressure/focus on Nero Cain. Again, with the Nero lynch still not certain, incase his miss-lynch does not go through, RadiantCowbells has the DeathNote lynch running in the background:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' continued DeathNote push

No one is willing to vote Keyser or DN today?

Mollie, what did you think about the DN slip that I pointed out?

and yea, if DN were to happen that would make me so happy.

CAN WE PLEASE FUCKING LYNCH DN

WHY IS DN EVEN FUCKING ALIVE GUYS

I want to lynch DN a fucking billion times more than anyone else in game right now.

VOTE: DN

PLEASE guys.

Holy shit.

I wanted to lynch DN and have for days.

I'm pretty happy lynching Nero and I think this day needs to end.

We still had over 10 days left of Day Two, RadiantCowbells wants to rush his miss-lynch through ASAP. RadiantCowbells had obviously settled for either a DeathNote or Nero Cain lynch.

Don't necessarily think that was a slip but Nero's reaction to being TR was weird as fuck considering I made clear my reasons in the post where I said I was TRing him.

When is this ever scum-indicative? Plus, how does this outweigh your scum-case and strong scum-read of DeathNote? This is pure opportunism.

The way he's trying to push on Fro99er is scummy as fuck too and I get the feeling that he's just trying to move his vote somewhere safe.

RadiantCowbells well knows he can hide behind town-fro99er (the accused).

He basically called Fro99er out for using whit knighting as a trust tell, got him to get a meta example of doing it as scum, then claimed he was scum for playing to is scum meta.

This whole case was null -but RadiantCowbells will keep recycling the lie to push this miss-lynch.

nero if you're town your reads are literally the shittiest of any player I've ever seen.

if he flipped town I would literally ignore everything he has said thus far this game.

Again these points serve no purpose in scum-hunting but to keep the focus and pressure on Nero Cain. They are undermining in nature and personal attacks, that have nothing to do with Nero Cain's alignment.

I want to lynch scum today.

I'm not quite sure who is scum in the current primary lynches.

Nero's the one who I see as most likely to be scum but I'm not like positive on him so I want my guaranteed scum flip.

The pisskop/pirate mollie wagon is now officially dead, the only lynches RadiantCowbells supports is Nero Cain and DeathNote. RadiantCowbells adds an out: "I'm not like positive on him", so that he can push his other scum-read (DeathNote) later.

Yeah, I'm actually really feeling the Nero lynch now.

I could do that over DN.

The Nero Cain wagon has been given the green light by the 'townies', RadiantCowbells is now committed to his lynch.

I mean Nero's reads are like the shittiest of shit and that Frogger read especially is insanely manipulative and inorganic.

If he's actually town, he's a liability. DN's just derping around because he knows he's caught.

Nero's mudslinging all my townreads. I'm happier lynching that RN.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Having reads that "are like the shittiest of shit" is not scum-indicative. How does RadiantCowbells know which reads are good or bad? Again, RadiantCowbells is using Nero Cain's attack on strong-town-fro99er against him.
"insanely manipulative" is an unsupported accusation. "If he's actually town, he's a liability." - again, RadiantCowbells opens up the possibilty of Nero Cain being town, but now, this his lynch can still be viewed as a policy lynch. Again, RadiantCowbells pushes his back-up lynch, DeathNote.

Nero is scummy and manipulative flat out, and there's little town in his play either. He's getting lynched.

Nah, we're lynching Nero now.

He called Fro99er out for using WKing as a trust tell, then Fro99er provided evidence that he's done it as scum, then he called him scum.

Now he's voting me because apparently my scumhunting is so bad that I have to be scum this game.

My argument is that Nero's play has clear scum intent and his reads are contradictory.

This is just repetition for effect. Unsupported accusations/lies to force a miss-lynch.




We now get to Nero Cain's roleclaim. Any townie searching/pushing/looking for answers always weighs up every possibility before jumping in. RadiantCowbells shows no town-paranoia/inquisitive/doubt/curiosity (qualities you would associative with a scum-hunter) there is no logical reasoning or discussion, only narrow/quick/opportunistic conclusions. Remember, that RadiantCowbells is supposedly a 2 shot cop:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' response to Nero Cain's Role Cop claim:

NO THERE IS NO FUCKING ROLE COP IN THIS SETUP.

LYNCH IT.

He is not fucking role cop.

Lynch him.

I'm cop.

there's no fucking role cop in the setup and if there is it's scum.

lynch him right now.

I DONT GIVE A SHIT THERE IS NO ROEL COP IN THIS SETUP

there is no fucking role cop in a setup with me

shut the fuck up

just shut the fuck up

I checked Aeronaut last night who died unfortunately which fucked us.

There's no cop and role cop in one setup.

One more thing, let's also take a step back for one moment: RadiantCowbells visited Aeronaut N1. Aeronaut dies N1.

[TL;DR]
1) opportunistic play
2) insincere scum-reads
3) insincere town-reads
4) using the D2 scum-led Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon to force misslynches and scum-reads
5) his reaction to Nero Cain's roleclaim
6) hiding behind wrongly-accused townies
7) no pro-town motivation in his approach to the Nero Cain wagon/lynch/roleclaim
8) repeating unsupported lies to miss-lynch Nero Cain
9) Undermining Nero Cains through personal attacks
10) lynching/scum-reading on pre-flip associations via his ever-contradicting reads

THIS IS NOT TOWN

I will later look at his Day 3 posts in

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two

. Coming to a bookstore near you!

Next up... why Zulfy/Titus is town.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser is theorizing about a scum-team of

3 obvtown

, I can't even tbh.

Titus is not getting lynched [My town-case on Zulfy is still in the works...] Whose miss-lynch do you want to push next?


Coming to a cinema near you:

1) Why Zulfy/Titus is town
2) Fist of suspicion: Part One, pisskop
3) Fist of suspicion: Part Two, Dwlee99
4) Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two
5) Full analysis of my other town reads

[Keyser Söze]

Zulfy/Titus: town-read

I like Nosferatu and Keyser as town, they aren't antagonizing anybody in this shop full of emotional players and have come up with original arguments.

I like Zulfy being able to sift through all the emotion/overreactions/personal attacks from the day-phase and focus on attitudes and player-motivations.

I like Zulfy's challenge of davesav's scumlean of RadiantCowbells (townies like to challenge the strength and sincerity of reads):

Why is Radiant Cowbells a scumlean?

RC would be straight up null, except for a sarcastic scum claim post. Even making the read a nullscum for that reason is more a joke than anything else. I can't read RC, never have been able to. Most of the time I'm still stuck on null when one or the other of us dies. In the unlikely event we both get to LYLO in a game this could be a problem.

davesaz's scum read is insincere, unsupported and ultimately suspicious. I fear the original "scumlean" was for pure scum distancing purposes.

In post 1484, Zulfy draws upon his past experience of town PR's claiming early (DeathNote claiming Bullet-proof), then scum trying to force their lynch. I like that Zulfy is balancing out the possibility of a town early claim versus a scum claiming early in defence. A townie tries to reason both sides of the WIFOM argument!

Yea I guess. I wouldn't want to lynch RC first though. I can see RC being town defending FA. But if FA flips red then that really draws me towards scumRC. You get me?

Zulfy's end conclusion may be wrong, but Zulfy has also noticed RadiantCowbells' unnatural defence of Frozen Angel (only scum know who is town).

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

I like Zulfy highlighting davesaz's reads - usually scum give their teammates away by their insincere/weak reads/reasons. I think we can judge TheCow to be the scum-led miss-lynch, pushed in desperation. Wickedestjr is pretty much confirmed town and Wake88 is town based on PoE and a balanced neighbourhood set-up, leaving pisskop and RadiantCowbells...

Great catch here:

I WAS THE REASON WE LYNCHED DAVESAZ. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS BUSSING MY PARTNERS IF THEY'RE DEADWEIGHT. ASK ANYONE IN THIS GAME.

Woooooahhhhh are you saying Davesaz was your partner???

.

(post 1519, post 1493) Here is Zulfy working through the thought-process of his scum-read. Zulfy shows town-indicative qualities of a scum-hunter who isn't sure of his reads; they are wondering if they are right, and how/if they could be wrong.

Zulfy is right to challenge RadiantCowbells' new contradicting position on Frozen Angel (post 2206).

I mean Nero's reads are like the shittiest of shit and that Frogger read especially is insanely manipulative and inorganic.

If he's actually town, he's a liability. DN's just derping around because he knows he's caught.

Nero's mudslinging all my townreads. I'm happier lynching that RN.

VOTE: Nero Cain

This is completely anti-town.

Agreed - anti-town and scummy.

I need to write stuff down so I can make groips and not forget everyones name. Okay so I have 7 confident town reads, deathnote is leaning town, nero leans scum, and out of cow wake and zulfy I think wake would be town in it.
So that is a scumteam of frozen/mollie, cow and zulfy.

You have been talking out of your butt this whole time in regards to me.
Why do you scumread me?

I agree here Zulfy, all of Dwlee99's votes/reads are insincere/unsupported/manufactured - could Dwlee99 confidently argue any read with conviction? His reads/votes are always naked.

You think he's SK. Why? There's 2 nights of missing kills.

Titus is looking at the evidence at hand - not jumpng on the same presumptions as the majority.

4554 is wifom.

Titus shares my thinking - RadiantCowbells is defending himself using WIFOM (scum-indicative).

Honey, you've pulled that so many times now. You got lucky once. You'd fake claimed cop more times more times this month guilties on me talah etc. If you're town, you gotta stop this. People hear guilty and scumhunting STOPS. Don't you get this? Like total stops.

Love the reasoning here. RadiantCowbells' actions are scummy, at best, anti-town.

Titus or DN today, no exceptions. o3o

Why you defend RC so hard?

Another great observation.

*him*

Town Titus doesnt withhold vca.

scum titus skimps on it

What part of I am literally away from my computer do you pretend not to understand?

More lies from pisskop. pisskop creates fake scenarios and creates a lie which he will push relentlessly.

I like Ttus' early RVS and conclusions (post 4916)

There you go.

What part of this explains why you're still voting me or why you want to lynch Pisskop?

Are you townreading Mollie?

I am voting you because you're scum or noise that needs to die. Probably scum.

As if that's not clear from the other 99 times I townread Mollie. Pisskop's push on Mollie is why I want him lynched. I townread her based on play and a Pisskop scumflip townfirms Mollie.

This.

Tell me specificly which VCs clear which players, and stop pretending youve included more information than you have.

My VCA is pretty clear unless you dispute DN and TheCow counterwagoing Davesto and you two being in the middle in bussing sweet spots on Dave.

This.

Wait, so your logic is that I fakeclaimed as cop, ensuring my own lynch, to protect PK?

Why the hell wouldn't I have just shoved the Mollie wagon through earlier in the day?

That's literally the least fathomable thing I ever heard.

I am not sure how you could have tried any harder to save Pisskop d2. You literally failed to push Mollie through. You also claimed FA was town, never lynch FA. Then voted her. Your ISO reads like you would die for PK but checked Aero... Really?

This.

[TL;DR]

1) Zulfy's thought-process is town-indicative, there is hesitation, questioning, uncertainty, mistakes, revision, the look at facts for both sides of the argument
2) titus' review of Day Two fills me with town feels - she is looking at the information infront of her and not pushing the same repetitive unsupported lies of the 'loud hostile mob'
3) I can follow titus' thought process - nothing is reachy
4) Zulfy made observations on all the players and did not take part in the emotion/overreactions/personal attack/tunnelling of D1/D2.
5) Despite being undermined, miss-repped and discredited Titus has continued to present her analytical case and solid VCA
6) I love Zulfy challenging the sincerity/strength of player's reads he questioned (including davesav's reads)
7) Zulfy/titus are pro-active scum-hunters: looking at details, posts, wagons, votes - they are not trying to line up lynches/wagons
8) Their ISO's are not filled with empty filler/spam posts/personal attacks (their points are clear and concise that do not create apathy for the game)

THIS IS TOWN

[Keyser Söze]

1) Why Zulfy/Titus is town

2) Fist of suspicion: Part One, pisskop
3) Fist of suspicion: Part Two, Dwlee99
4) Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two
5) Full analysis of my other town reads

Let's take a short intermission there, before the next feature begins.

In the mean time, take your seats for a short film called:

Game Shop Mafia: Chucky's Revenge

[Keyser Söze]

Large Normal 192 - Game Shop Mafia: Chucky's Revenge

Modded by: AngryPidgeon[/b]

Once upon a time, AngryPidgeon decided to invest in a game shop in downtown Scumville. Finally, it was ready to open to the public. Plastic-wrapped board games lined the shelves, a large rainbow collection of exotic dice were neatly arranged by the counter. Card sleeves and cards for almost any TCG were available to be purchased. A sign hung in the door "Grand Opening, sale on all Board Games 20% off!". People began to come from around town to see what was up. But unbeknownst to AngryPidgeon, he had procured three "Good Guy" doll's that were inhabited by three evil spirits: vile-Chucky, wtf-Chucky and mutha-Chucker. AngryPidgeon had not contemplated the hell he was about to unleash on Scumville, neither the mental scarring everyone was about to suffer.

RadiantCowbells (mutha-Chucker)

mutha-Chucker is the leader of the three. He acts first and thinks later. He killed a cop just yesterday! He will bully through his miss-lynches using a demonic array of skills like opportunism, fake roleclaiming, stating false investigation, using WIFOM as his sole defence for his deplorable acts of anti-town violence and foul language. mutha-Chucker's strongest reads flicker like a candle, and his tunneling burns its victims like a ravage fire.

pisskop (vile-Chucky)

vile-Chucky is the busiest toy in the shop (nearly a 1,000 posts and counting!) but he has no interest in finding out who is scum. He only attacks easy victims with sexist, vulgar and offensive remarks, a serial offender who escapes punishing from the authorities. Tunneling his victims out of the shop. If someone says one word against him, vile-Chucky will throw a fist full of undermining/discrediting shots at you. He's the type of toy that will try to round up an wagon short-list as soon as the shop opens.

Dwlee99 (wtf-Chucky)

wtf-Chucky creates chaos with his unsupported reads and votes. wtf-Chucky is a menacing toy that gives out town-cred to unconfirmed scum! He follows mutha-Chucker and vile-Chucky on nearly every push and wagon. wtf-Chucky specializes in contradictions and bangwagoning.



..but just when AngryPidgeon was debating whether to sell his shop and retire, two new toys moved to Scumville to try and save both the game shop owner's business and the very town itself!

[Keyser Söze]

Titus and Firebringer

, here was my early D2 scum case on pisskop. I will add to it this weekend:

Spoiler: Day Two case on pisskop

Here is my suspicion on pisskop.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why was Dwlee99 part of your personal lynch pool? You had previously called him a town-lean (post 386). Your early D1 ISO was fixated on Frozen Angel, but I am not seeing your cases/pressure/pushes on TheCow or Wickedestjr. Post 632 feels like scum-indicative/opportunistic wagon pushing. "And possibly others" adds to that sentiment.

Pisskop had a little burst of activity and faded when it didn't yield anything. I have never seen him fail to attack something as town. It might not be a good attack and I usually scumread him for it, but it's consistent. The fact he's not doing anything speaks even louder than not doing anything that I would see as scummy.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

This exchange stinks. From davesaz's read of pisskop, and pisskop's

"read my scum meta, read my scum meta, read my scum meta"

reply...


pisskop sheeps a vote on davesaz's wagon (post 1016). pisskop had previously had no focus/press/case on davesaz.

We aren derailing this lynch; and sure as pootin' aint dong it before he claims.

Dont yo guys know how awful last minute wagon-switches are?

We arent hopping off an L-1 unclaimed person to go to another person. You wanted to rope dwlee, you should have done it before we L-1ed dave. Tomorrow/

Dave is going to claim, and we are going to move on from there.

Lets go balls to the walls and follow our feels or some shit.

Since when did pisskop think/know davesaz was scum? pisskop had presented no davesaz-scum narrative and is now its biggest pusher.

I feel like like pisskop realised davesaz was dead-weight scum and decided to bus -

who the f**k cares about a Mafia Neighbor anyway?

I sunk dave.

Incorrect. You pushed his wagon that already had momentum. You did not sink him with a scum-case either. Saying

"I sunk dave"

is scummy.


Posts that pisskop has not responded to:

Spoiler:

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

What the fuck is this pisskop?
Show me your scum case on these four players.
Go.

If they are unsatisfactory I will be voting you.
Add my name and DeathNote's to this list too as you've already hinted about it.

@pisskop - answer please.

It seems like you are trying to orchestrate the lynch wagons for D1.
You are in no position to do so.

Present your cases.
Push your cases.

No Darth Sidious shit.

So sue me or vote me.

Can you please answer my questions/serious concern from post 657 so I can move on.
You not responding stops any productive interactions between us.

I mean I have in my other posts; my other recent posts in which the same question was fielded.

Still not seeing it.

Why "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow"?

Why Keysor "would also be lynchable"?

Why "And possibly others"?


It seems like you were open to many lynches/orchestrating us.
I would prefer to see you push your own individual scum-cases, and not push multiple/possible lynch wagons.

The game only started this weekend, why did you feel you were in a position to post this?

If I could see evidence of your strong scum reads of "dwlee, wicked, FA, The Cow", "Keysor" and "possibly others" - I would understand.

pisskop continues to post in other threads but still neglects to address the pressing issues in this game. pisskop was one of the most active participants in this game, but I am very concerned that since the focus was on his posts/behaviour his activity has since declined.

I would like to hear his latest thoughts of the "final wagons" he was pushing two days ago. I feel like my vote has been wasted for two days on a non-active slot who isn't defending himself / scum-hunting.

eww. Can you do me a solid and read my scum meta?

its all in the wiki.

What does your scum meta in your "wiki" have to do with your scum indicative behaviour in

this

game?

Furthermore, please tell me if you still hold this mindset:

Or have your feelings of pushing "final wagons" of the above players changed? Moreover, please could you divulge who were the "And possibly others". I am very curious to hear your latest read of Frozen Angel.

[Keyser Söze]

Get bent.

YOU, the one who successfully apathied the town into a lynch on Senator in StarTrek mafia, are talking about how Im pushing nonissues or too hard? Get real.

More evidence of vile-Chucky:

-aggressive language/discrediting Titus' current reads because of past games.

[Scum-indicative behaviour]

[Keyser Söze]

The 'Zulfy scum-slip' is just an unsupported accusation (a lie) that scum had planned to come racing out of Day Three with to force a miss-lynch.

It is not a scum-slip.

No matter how many times they shout and requote it. Scum wanted DeathNote (bulletproof) and Titus (weak scum-slip accusation) lynched today.
Their argument to let their "two-shot cop" one more shot at the phantom serial killer is desperation

[Keyser Söze]

Nero is town

Nero is def town.

nero lynch and dn lynches are bad.

*Nero Cain roleclaims Town Role Cop*

vote: nero

[Keyser Söze]

pisskop, what do you mean?

(by Justin Bieber)

When you say Nero is town
But then you vote him
What do you mean?
When you say Nero is definitely town
But then you vote him
What do you mean?
When you say the Nero lynch is bad
But then you vote him
What do you mean?

That is the definition of insincere reads and opportunism.

[Again, all scum-indicative behaviour]

[Keyser Söze]

Not opposed to lynching RC today. But

I'm also not ready for the day to end just yet.

Me too, can't let scum get another early hammer: UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

I have 4 more items to publish, then we can lynch him:

1) Why Zulfy/Titus is town

2) Fist of suspicion: Part One, pisskop
3) Fist of suspicion: Part Two, Dwlee99
4) Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two
5) Full analysis of my other town reads

[Keyser Söze]

TO: Firebringer and Titus

FROM: Keyser Söze

Subject: Dwlee99's scum-indicative behaviour



In case you missed it...

Spoiler: Dwlee99's scum-indicative behaviour

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?

First one onto dave.

Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.

1) Dwlee99 admits he is voting davesaz for not actually scum reading him.
2) Dwlee99 admits he is town reading someone who voted for unconfirmed scum.

These are two positions that I believe a townie should not hold.

Building off this...

In the span of one page, Dwlee goes from only being on the Dave wagon because his town reads were there, straight to being

so sure

Dave is scum, that the first person to vote him must be town.

Yea, but the more I look at it, Dwlee is literally just hopping onto biggest wagon most of the time.

Not really sure about scum.

I am so fing confused.

I guess I will vote cow.

VOTE: Cow

VOTE: Dave

I dig

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.

your ISO lacks an earnest progression of trying to find out the alignment of all the other players. Your apparent scum-read of me is clear, however, your focus is narrow. This concerns me greatly.

Seriously. I'm fine lynching Dwlee or Dave today.

Mod basically clinched the Dave scum case that we had been building prior to that, and Dwlee is just as bad if not worse.

Why did Dwlee drop the Keyser scum read if Keyser was emulating his scum game?

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

Also you never expanded on this.

Why aren't you still scum reading Keyser?

It feels like scum!dwlee made this up.

The miller claim actually adds onto my town read of wicked, I forgot to quote it.

Nosferatu is null because I don't have enough to lynch them atm.
Deathnote claimed PR - not pursuing that today.

Massclaim PR. We're all town.

Like - going from

"wall of questions without content" (paraphrase)

To

"I like his early questions" (direct quote)

Makes no sense. How can you completely change from what essentially reads as "his questions sucked" to "those exact same questions were good"

Spoiler: Dwlee criticizing Wicked

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

I don't understand...

Are you jokingly referring to page 9?

If so, I can play along and try to come up with a funny response. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about.

No, RC

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Im not even a little interested in a repeat of last game. Im not holding it against you.

Context?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

^ wall of questions from wicked that don't seem to have content.

And so I should make up some bs reason to call you out on my vote hop than actually saying what I think about vote hopping? K then fro99er.

Spoiler: Dwlee town reading Wicked for a good chunk of the same posts

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

I like his questions early.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

[Keyser Söze]

We are letting rc use their shot.

It is the optimal play

NO, it is

MAFIA's "optimal play"

to not lynch RadiantCowbells and miss-lynch town instead. Scum (you) want us to waste a lynch. The picture is very likely

9

:

3

right now. Where was this talk of town "optimal play" on Day Two after the cop claims?

The 'Zulfy scum-slip' is just an unsupported accusation (a lie) that scum had planned to come racing out of Day Three with to force a miss-lynch.

It is not a scum-slip.

No matter how many times they shout and requote it. Scum wanted DeathNote (bulletproof) and Titus (weak scum-slip accusation) lynched today.

Their argument to let their "two-shot cop" have one more shot at the phantom serial killer is desperation

Wickedestjr
Titus
pirate mollie
Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks
Wake88
Firebringer
DeathNote

Dwlee99
pisskop
RadiantCowbells

None of my town-reads are getting lynched.

[Keyser Söze]

For those catching up, give this a read when you have time:

JarJarDrinks D3 scum-case on RadiantCowbells

(post 4932)

[Keyser Söze]

Hi remember the part where you had scum cases to construct?

^^ Keysor

You're not reading again. Take note:

Not opposed to lynching RC today. But

I'm also not ready for the day to end just yet.

Me too, can't let scum get another early hammer: UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

I have 4 more items to publish, then we can lynch him:

1) Why Zulfy/Titus is town

2) Fist of suspicion: Part One, pisskop
3) Fist of suspicion: Part Two, Dwlee99
4) Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two
5) Full analysis of my other town reads

..and the sweetest thing is, we have over 13 days!

[Keyser Söze]

Don't get distracted.

Who is distracted?
I've put my other game on hold?

[Keyser Söze]

tick tock man.

You try to be the tough guy... but in the end, you're...

Spoiler: Hard truths

pisskop (vile-Chucky)

vile-Chucky is the busiest toy in the shop (nearly a 1,000 posts and counting!) but he has no interest in finding out who is scum. He only attacks easy victims with sexist, vulgar and offensive remarks, a serial offender who escapes punishment from the authorities. Tunneling his victims out of the shop. If someone says one word against him, vile-Chucky will throw a fist full of undermining/discrediting shots at you. He's the type of toy that will try to round up an wagon short-list as soon as the shop opens.

48 hours? Now that The Game Shop is back in business, I've got 13 days to milk this (312 hours!) Your postcount is now 1003 posts! Time to find "scum"... who are you going to push?
Wickedestjr? Titus? pirate mollie? Nosferatu? JarJarDrinks? Wake88? Firebringer? DeathNote? Me?

[Keyser Söze]

So mafia, why is Titus scum?

[@pisskop - my 4 next features are still in production. However, they should be all released before Monday. Titus said I should stay focused, but I want to present my full cases on you and dwlee before Radiant Cowbells' lynch, but I understand her concern fully.]

[Keyser Söze]

why is Titus scum?

Go over to your bathroom mirror and ask yourself that.

yea no. type like a normal person and I may even start communicating with you.

Come on now lads, play the game. It's

your

scum-case.

You're

scum reading her. Tell me why

you

think she is scum. Don't

you

want me to vote her?



[We have 13 more days of this! ]

[Keyser Söze]

Titus

-> Keyser ->

Mollie

I strongly dislike the

Fire

slot right now

If you get traction on

Mollie

I'll be interested

I could do

DeathNote

, Keyser, or

Mollie

.

If we can get a

Mollie

wagon going I'd be interested.

Dweelee, interest in

Mollie

?

RC, have you tried to lynch

jarjar

yet? Or

Wake

?

We won't be lynching Titus, pirate mollie, Firebringer, DeathNote, JarJarDrinks or Wake88 today. Have you ran out of options guys?

We need to hit the RB today.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the roleblocker theory (mafia get-out clause #1)

Are you talking about your SK kill?

Let's lynch the fucking SK then and I'll invest Mollie tonight.

VOTE: Deathnote
Can we please lynch this..

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2)

I don't see what's so confusing about Titus replacing into a literally confirmed slot after Zulfy slipped last twilight.

VOTE: Titus
Yea I never liked VCAs I'm gonna lynch them for zulfy so yea.

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the false Zulfy scum-slip theory (mafia get-out clause #3)

That scum flip would pretty much clear you as well, no?

We are not lynching Titus with the theory to "clear" someone. We are lynching scum today.

Id be happy killing jeysor even if he was a townread with the way hes been posting.

We are not policy lynching my slot. We are lynching scum today. Your suggestion is both anti-town and scummy.

[Keyser Söze]

Y? Why should I vote titus?

You are already voting Titus.

This is a pisskop-Dwlee99 mafia distancing attempt gone wrong



13 more days of this lads!

[Keyser Söze]

vote: Titus

Im awful sad you took the slot T. Its obvious that he slipped right up.

C'mon pk we needz to lynch da titus.

Y? Why should I vote titus?

Cause they are zulfy and zulfy was scum.

compelling, Im sure

Mafia, why is Titus scum?

[Keyser Söze]

DN bad posting
+Serial Killer points.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2).

Mafia, is DeathNote the non-bulletproof ascetic serial killer?

[Keyser Söze]

Jarjars posting has been utter crap today, though so I can see scum there.

Post insults to discredit a player and his reads.

[Scum-indicative behaviour]

[Keyser Söze]

If Keyser's town I'm pretty sure he's merited an anti-scummy for this game.

But I'm pretty sure he's scum

If I had killed a cop, miss-lynched town and subjected the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie slot to sexist/offensive/bullying/threatening abusive attacks and lies you would have an argument.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Titus
Yea I never liked VCAs I'm gonna lynch them for zulfy so yea.

VOTE: Deathnote
Can we please lynch this..

VOTE: titus

VOTE: Keyser this needs to die.

Sadly my miss-lynch will not save you either.

We both know your attacks/wagons on Titus and DeathNote have fallen on deaf ears. Who will it be next? You are running out of townies to push. Everyone knows we're not lynching pirate mollie either today.

[Keyser Söze]

Going to flag this up again:

This was Dwlee99's reason for town reading Wickedestjnr on Day One:

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

1) davesav wasn't even confirmed mafia at this point. Dwlee99 knew though.
2) Dwlee99 quoted questions he town-read Wickedestjnr for. Earlier Dwlee99 had quoted the very same questions to say why he scum-read Wickedestjnr.
3) "lots of scumhunting" is a generic / weak reason to give someone an easy town-read.
4) Dwlee99's original reason for joining the davesav wagon was because his town reads were on davesav's wagon. Now re-read the quote and point number 1 again. Try not to laugh.

Is this slot too scummy to be scum? No.

[Keyser Söze]

Too late to bus him now Is he the mafia goon?

12 more days!

[Keyser Söze]

Do you really not see how Keyser's stance is blatantly contradictory?

It is not contradictory. I want to lynch all my scum reads one by one. You are my strongest scum read.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't think RC will flip scum. And thus I'm not voting him. Shocking.

if we really can't lynch mollie or dwlee today, then rc is fine.

What changed Nosferatu?

[Keyser Söze]

Why the hell are you voting me.

It was yet another mafia-distancing attempt gone wrong

[Keyser Söze]

keyser you are just lining up mislynches.

Explain this to me.
Based on Radiant Cowbells flipping red or green?

[Keyser Söze]

keyser you are just lining up mislynches.

Explain this to me.
Based on Radiant Cowbells flipping red or green?

This only works if Radiant Cowbells flips scum
Do you honestly think anyone will listen to me if Radiant Cowbells flips town?
Therefore, your theory of me "lining up mislynches" (I.e RC flipping red and me pushing pisskop's and your lynch) has just exposed your true position on Radiant Cowbells.

[Keyser Söze]

1) davesav wasn't even confirmed mafia at this point. Dwlee99 knew though.

This is actually a good catch.

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Keyser

Wanted to make you explain your D1 read on Daves.

I'm happy with your answer so let's lynch the Kaiser.

So you listen to one of your strongest scum-read's case and vote his scum-read... disregarding your own scum reads...

Then you vote that same player you originally scum-read...

Your reads are:
1) not consistent
2) not sincere

[Scum-indicative behaviour]

[Keyser Söze]

Your face isn't consistent or sincere, keyser.

Personal attack/insult to discredit a player.

[Scum indicative behaviour]

[Keyser Söze]

@pisskop, please explain your actions to me:

vote: Titus

Im awful sad you took the slot T. Its obvious that he slipped right up.

C'mon pk we needz to lynch da titus.

Y? Why should I vote titus?

Cause they are zulfy and zulfy was scum.

compelling, Im sure

[Keyser Söze]

No, I'm not making that deal.

But if RadiantCowbells flips town, do you think the scum team is practically confirmed?

[Keyser Söze]

... Alright but dave hasn't flipped, so using that as a reason is kind of silly.

Was about to say this same thing. But don't worry, I'll wait for Dave to flip red before I call Dwlee scum by association. There's plenty of non-associative reasons to think Dwlee is scum for now.

Fuck guys Dwlee is scum.

He pulled out the same quotes for wicked to town read him that he criticized him for earlier

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

Also you never expanded on this.

Why aren't you still scum reading Keyser?

It feels like scum!dwlee made this up.

Also, given I'm town reading Keyser, I find this hard to believe ... or should I say it isn't ... JUSTIFIED (dun dun dun)

VOTE: Dwlee

I mean I don't like Dwlee very much but I can't imagine Daves being town here.

It's kinda funny.

The bullshit reasons I find to scum read people are often correct (davesaz opening, dwlee's bolding).

Most of the time people then jump on me for pushing bullshit reasons, but they aren't really BS. they just seem like BS until later they are proven correct.

I think both Dave and Dwlee are scum.

I'm fine with both wagons.

Well I hadn't seen it before, clearly.

You were well aware of the case on Dwlee99

Are U kidding? This has been discussed ad nauseam and is one of the main reasons people are scumreading Dwlee.

RadiantCowbells was being

serious

Apparently to put "pressure" on Dwlee99... (Dwlee99 repeats the same weak excuse he'd used day one) then RadiantCowbells votes me a few moments later

[Keyser Söze]

And DN, you ruined this game flat out.

Stop this.

As RadiantCowbells flipped Mafia Cop and AngryPidgeon's warning - it points to DeathNote actually being the serial killer

I doubt mafia would have started with 4 players if we have a SK, so there's one more mafia slot up for grabs. I will re-read RadiantCowbells' wagon.

@Dwlee99

, can you explain why you and RadiantCowbells were so insistent and confident in pushing the D3 mafia agenda: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory?
Can you explain why you always followed where RadiantCowbells was voting?
Can you explain why you resorted to personal attacks in order to discredit and undermine my scum-case on RadiantCowbells?

[Keyser Söze]

Spoiler: Scum-case on Dwlee99

Dwlee99 (wtf-Chucky)

wtf-Chucky creates chaos with his unsupported reads and votes. wtf-Chucky is a menacing toy that gives out town-cred to unconfirmed scum! He follows mutha-Chucker and vile-Chucky on nearly every push and wagon. wtf-Chucky specializes in contradictions and bangwagoning.

We need to hit the RB today.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the roleblocker theory (mafia get-out clause #1)

Are you talking about your SK kill?

Let's lynch the fucking SK then and I'll invest Mollie tonight.

VOTE: Deathnote
Can we please lynch this..

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2)

I don't see what's so confusing about Titus replacing into a literally confirmed slot after Zulfy slipped last twilight.

VOTE: Titus
Yea I never liked VCAs I'm gonna lynch them for zulfy so yea.

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the false Zulfy scum-slip theory (mafia get-out clause #3)

DN bad posting
+Serial Killer points.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2).

Jarjars posting has been utter crap today, though so I can see scum there.

Post insults to discredit a player and his reads.

[Scum-indicative behaviour]

Going to flag this up again:

This was Dwlee99's reason for town reading Wickedestjnr on Day One:

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

1) davesav wasn't even confirmed mafia at this point. Dwlee99 knew though.
2) Dwlee99 quoted questions he town-read Wickedestjnr for. Earlier Dwlee99 had quoted the very same questions to say why he scum-read Wickedestjnr.
3) "lots of scumhunting" is a generic / weak reason to give someone an easy town-read.
4) Dwlee99's original reason for joining the davesav wagon was because his town reads were on davesav's wagon. Now re-read the quote and point number 1 again. Try not to laugh.

Is this slot too scummy to be scum? No.

Why the hell are you voting me.

It was yet another mafia-distancing attempt gone wrong

keyser you are just lining up mislynches.

Explain this to me.
Based on Radiant Cowbells flipping red or green?

This only works if Radiant Cowbells flips scum
Do you honestly think anyone will listen to me if Radiant Cowbells flips town?
Therefore, your theory of me "lining up mislynches" (I.e RC flipping red and me pushing pisskop's and your lynch) has just exposed your true position on Radiant Cowbells.

Your face isn't consistent or sincere, keyser.

Personal attack/insult to discredit a player.

[Scum indicative behaviour]

THIS IS SCUM

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: pisskop

kinda thinking it's PK and fire.

I have a problem: there are two slots I scum-read (pisskop, Dwlee99) but the fact there is non-mafia scum out there, one of pisskop/Dwlee99 is likely town. Both?

We'll basically hunting for the final mafia and non-mafia scum yes? (2 players - 5 scum in a 16 player game would be imbalanced?)

I didn't like the initial opposition to the RadiantCowbells wagon yesterday - so will look there later.

[Keyser Söze]

Bad town play != scum :/

You're not a newbie anymore though mate - you must see why I doubt the motivation in your actions this game.

[Keyser Söze]

I am trying to figure out if you could still be scum because of you "knowing" there is an sk.

RadiantCowbells flipped Mafia Cop, Dwlee99.

Why would mafia need a cop to investigate town, they already know who town are!
This strongly points to SK/non-mafia scum who mafia could investigate.

[Keyser Söze]

The single night kills is interesting. Aliens?

[Keyser Söze]

Like right now I really want to self-meta and stuff but I dont want to give out my scum meta and people will just say I am malipulating my meta.

Yes, please do not self-meta defend yourself

[Keyser Söze]

what are aliens?

They are powerful scum, but only have 1 night kill the entire game.
I don't know if they feature in Normal games on here? Could be cult? Werewolf? It doesn't matter right now.

All we know is that AngryPigeon would not have thrown in a Mafia Cop for no reason. I say we still hunt mafia today.

[Keyser Söze]

if you make me deal 1 more day with pisskop's bs I will hunt you down and pee on your shoe, keyser.

Can we please have no in-fighting today We're in a stronger position now.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't buy RCs claim of DN being SK for a second. There is no chance that we lynch DN today.

Keysor/Titus/Myself/Mollie

will decide between PK and Dlwee.

Yes, I can see mafia-motivation to lynch a Bulletproof Townie.

Do you feel their could be a scum-recruitment power in the mix (to counter the 1 night kill)?

[Keyser Söze]

RC self-hammered. He had a teammate on his wagon.

Your push on davesav gained you great town-cred on D1, however, your behaviour on the RadiantCowbells wagon did suprise me:

I don't think RC will flip scum. And thus I'm not voting him. Shocking.

if we really can't lynch mollie or dwlee today, then rc is fine.

What changed Nosferatu?

[Keyser Söze]

There cant be a cult in a normal. Fuck cults.

Thanks - that's a relief.

I think there's 2 more scum. That doesn't seem unbalanced to me.

Yes, 16 players, 4:1 ratio, 12 town : 4 scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Jarjar gives me the heebie jeebies.

Group-scum or third party-scum "heebie jeebies"? Why?

[Keyser Söze]

Groupscum. Cause their

activiry

around pk v pm and

thensomething

about yesterday.

Could you please elaborate. Do you think JarJarDrinks bussed RadiantCowbells?

For those catching up, give this a read when you have time:

JarJarDrinks D3 scum-case on RadiantCowbells

(post 4932)

Please point out how his case on RadiantCowbells was a bus-attempt.

[Keyser Söze]

rc literally feels slimey as scum.

If so, why didn't you join his wagon pisskop?

[Keyser Söze]

Meaning he's not scumreading RC because he doesn't literally feel slimey.

Ok - I see that now.

[Keyser Söze]

I am trying to figure out if you could still be scum because of you "knowing" there is an sk.

VOTE: Deathnote

[Keyser Söze]

What do you guys think of RadiantCowbells scum-reads:
- possible scum-distancing?
- OMGUS?
- creating WIFOM?
- pushing miss-lynches?

I think Zulfy is 100% scum. Keyser really scummy too.

Lynch Zulfy.

Scum:
Zulfy
DN?

Lean scum:
JJ
Keyser

VOTE: Firebringer

This is priority lynch No. 1 I'm pretty sure.

you better lynch the shit out of Keyser and Titus tomorrow.

I'm thinking that it's Keyser/Titus but I want to look at a few other peple.

Titus is definitely going first, then Keyser, but I need to decide between Mollie and JarJar for the last one.

Lynch fucking Titus jesus.

Titus -> Keyser -> Mollie

So I could see it being Titus/FB/Keyser if they have a roleblocker.

I strongly support Titus/DN and I can support Mollie/Keyser as well.

[Keyser Söze]

How have my posts been scummy?

Spoiler: Scum-case on Dwlee99

Dwlee99 (wtf-Chucky)

wtf-Chucky creates chaos with his unsupported reads and votes. wtf-Chucky is a menacing toy that gives out town-cred to unconfirmed scum! He follows mutha-Chucker and vile-Chucky on nearly every push and wagon. wtf-Chucky specializes in contradictions and bangwagoning.

We need to hit the RB today.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the roleblocker theory (mafia get-out clause #1)

Are you talking about your SK kill?

Let's lynch the fucking SK then and I'll invest Mollie tonight.

VOTE: Deathnote
Can we please lynch this..

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2)

I don't see what's so confusing about Titus replacing into a literally confirmed slot after Zulfy slipped last twilight.

VOTE: Titus
Yea I never liked VCAs I'm gonna lynch them for zulfy so yea.

Dwlee99 and RadiantCowbells still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the false Zulfy scum-slip theory (mafia get-out clause #3)

DN bad posting
+Serial Killer points.

Dwlee99 still pushing the mafia agenda for D3: the DeathNote-Serial Killer theory (mafia get-out clause #2).

Jarjars posting has been utter crap today, though so I can see scum there.

Post insults to discredit a player and his reads.

[Scum-indicative behaviour]

Going to flag this up again:

This was Dwlee99's reason for town reading Wickedestjnr on Day One:

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

1) davesav wasn't even confirmed mafia at this point. Dwlee99 knew though.
2) Dwlee99 quoted questions he town-read Wickedestjnr for. Earlier Dwlee99 had quoted the very same questions to say why he scum-read Wickedestjnr.
3) "lots of scumhunting" is a generic / weak reason to give someone an easy town-read.
4) Dwlee99's original reason for joining the davesav wagon was because his town reads were on davesav's wagon. Now re-read the quote and point number 1 again. Try not to laugh.

Is this slot too scummy to be scum? No.

Why the hell are you voting me.

It was yet another mafia-distancing attempt gone wrong

keyser you are just lining up mislynches.

Explain this to me.
Based on Radiant Cowbells flipping red or green?

This only works if Radiant Cowbells flips scum
Do you honestly think anyone will listen to me if Radiant Cowbells flips town?
Therefore, your theory of me "lining up mislynches" (I.e RC flipping red and me pushing pisskop's and your lynch) has just exposed your true position on Radiant Cowbells.

Your face isn't consistent or sincere, keyser.

Personal attack/insult to discredit a player.

[Scum indicative behaviour]

THIS IS SCUM

VOTE: Dwlee99

This doesn't even include the posts you have made today.

Why did keyser say my mislynch would be a win on d1?

UNVOTE:

I already answered this D1:

I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.

Dwlee99, due to my frustration with the substance of your scum-cases and the content of your town/scum confirms, I posted that I wouldn't mind if you were lynched - as scum or town. This was very wrong of me to post this. If you are town and miss-lynched, me thinking it would be a "WIN" is very anti-town. I apologise for this post. My anti-town behaviour and attitudes works against my WIN-CON, thus, I feel ashamed looking back. Once I realised the majority of your ISO was just you tunneling me, I decided to help you scum-hunt:

Do you want to talk about any of your other "reads" or progression of reads?

I can understand clearly how town-Dwlee99 could think that someone saying your miss-lynch is a WIN, is both anti-town and scummy.

However, your ISO lacks an earnest progression of trying to find out the alignment of all the other players. Your apparent scum-read of me is clear, however, your focus is narrow. This concerns me greatly.

[Keyser Söze]

@pisskop

- you never explained your actions from D3:

vote: Titus

Im awful sad you took the slot T. Its obvious that he slipped right up.

C'mon pk we needz to lynch da titus.

Y? Why should I vote titus?

Cause they are zulfy and zulfy was scum.

compelling, Im sure

[Keyser Söze]

Welcome Errantparabola!

Keysors back to asking me to answer his obnoxious posts with the gifs and the completely satirical farces he calls cases.

Spoiler: Unclosed scum-slip by pisskop

@pisskop

- you never explained your actions from D3:

vote: Titus

Im awful sad you took the slot T. Its obvious that he slipped right up.

C'mon pk we needz to lynch da titus.

Y? Why should I vote titus?

Cause they are zulfy and zulfy was scum.

compelling, Im sure

Ok, last try with this:
1) you voted Titus at the beginning of Day 3, because you believe Zulfy scum-slipped. Thus, you thought Titus had inherited a scum-slot.

2) Later, Dwlee99 tries to push the Titus lynch. You ask why you should vote Titus, but you were already voting Titus (for the scum-slip/scum-slot D3 mafia-agenda theory).

3) Dwlee99 explains why, because Zulfy is scum.

4) You now have changed your tune. You then detached yourself from the Zulfy/Titus wagon.

Explain the contradiction.

(The only explanation I have at the moment is: a failed scum-distancing attempt, and scum contradicting their reason for voting (thus, insincere, opportunistic reads/voting)).

[Keyser Söze]

titus is a

chronic tunneler

Mod: I have to sub out.

mod - I have to out too. sorry

[Keyser Söze]

pisskop (5) - JarJarDrinks,

(pirate mollie)

, Nosferatu, Dwlee99, DeathNote [L-1]
Dwlee99 (2) - pisskop, Keyser Söze [L-4]
DeathNote (1) - Firebringer [L-5]

Not voting (2) - ErrantParabola,

(Titus)

INTENT TO HAMMER

Roleclaim please.

[Keyser Söze]

[Keyser Söze]

I'm worried about keyser

[Keyser Söze]

im a supersaint

Im vengeful

Do you want Dwlee99 to hammer?

[Keyser Söze]

im vt

This checks out.


Here is where pisskop crumbed vt:

Im

v

engeful.

And also always righ

t