Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

[JJJ]

yoink

[JJJ]

oh um. I forgot there was a post zero...

yoink

DAMMIT

[JJJ]

Well, my other half said something extremely sus to me in the hydra chat. So
VOTE: HH

[JJJ]

Well, my other half said something extremely sus to me in the hydra chat. So
VOTE: HH

Dude, we literally have the same role. VOTE: mena for not including mason in your initial role claim.

[JJJ]

We've decided to sign our posts separately.
I'll be "Y", and my other head will be "H"

[JJJ]

Possibly alisae and chen

Ped: I think the HH is most likely for the hulk hogan who’s playing the shit out of that guitar in their PP

I can confirm. He signs his tweets this way. There's no other meaning to it. -Y.

[JJJ]

We've decided to sign our posts separately.
I'll be "Y", and my other head will be "H"

I've decided I want to be X instead.
-h
-x

[JJJ]

Mena voting the mod is very sus. If she dies then the game ends. You know what kind of person wants the game to end? A scum who didn't want to play scum. We got him boys.

-X

p-edit: lamist kinda beat me to it

[JJJ]

I find it shocking that Look At Me I'm So Town wasn't already taken.

[JJJ]

I find it shocking that Look At Me I'm So Town wasn't already taken.

-Y

[JJJ]

If this game had started 3 games later it would be Micro 912 09:12. I formally request that Datisi speak with Micc and get those names flipped around when Micro 912 starts. If we get a majority vote she and Micc will have no choice but to accept.

-X

[JJJ]

Okay whoever is scum can u just admit it

How did you already forget who your partner is? (It's emps)

-X

[JJJ]

Also AaronFrost’s first post is making me think of this thread but I dunno if it applies to someone who isn’t a newb

after checking some meta I have concluded that this is NAI cuz AF did it as both town and scum

Also I legitimately want to know what was going through Chemist's head when he wrote post 19 and voted someone he just called conftown.

VOTE: datisi

Let’s lynch the mod guys

Power to the people

Scum and town unite against moderation teams

Hmm.. this isnt normally something you do as town.

VOTE: Mena

which hydra head posted this and how scummy do you actually consider this to be

BP wrote it. I thought I indicated that it was just barely over the line. Chemists is worse, but it seemed like it had to be a joke, everything so far is around the null line.

BP

Whoops, hydra slip.

How? - Y

[JJJ]

The hydra slip? Just a joke? - Y

[JJJ]

Emps. Real vote please.

-X

[JJJ]

Emps. Real vote please.

-X

[JJJ]

Emps. Real vote please.

-X

I legitimately don't know what you mean

I'm asking emps to place a real vote?
-X

[JJJ]

The entirety of HH's iso is reaking of scum

there's no real RVS - or at least not one with the eye on doing something
even the interaction with it's own slot feels S/S

it reads like it's holding back

i don't like it

VOTE: HH

This is actually super sus.
1. What gives you the right to say what is "real RVS" or not? (whatever that means)
2.

even the interaction with it's own slot feels S/S

I wrote that. From both people. As in I made the post voting us and the

immediate

follow up voting mena. So that was me interacting with myself. Besides your statement doesn't even make sense.
3. If you were actually concerned about

there's no real RVS - or at least not one with the eye on doing something
(...)
it reads like it's holding back

then explain how emps empty voting the mod (total lack of RVS "real" or otherwise) and chemist making a joke vote that he never followed up on appear to be just fine with you?

Either your logic sucks or you're just full of it.

[JJJ]

Like damn. Everyone is in here joking around and multiple people have been less productive than our slot and Iconeum shitpushes us on some terrible/fake logic.

That doesn't sit right with me.

-X

[JJJ]

On top of that I'm trying to get emps to make a real vote while he votes the

mod

and

I

don't have my eye on "doing something"?

That's complete BS.

VOTE: iconeum

-X

[JJJ]

It's not a random vote, so yeah.

I dislike the lack of commital to an actual vote. Emps jumped on the meme without actually doing anything.

Because scum would rather be non-commital and not get involved in having to come up with BS explanations for their actions. If they're scum, this gives Emps an easy start to the game so they can read and react later on.

Too bad I called it out.

i like this thinking for town

This is literally why I asked emps to make a real vote. Even though you didn't know that, I was pushing the slot to do something, which was blatantly obvious, and you pick us out of the bunch for "not doing anything" to paraphrase.

[JJJ]

I wanna know what "real RVS" even is. I'm honestly kinda salty about that statement because that sounds like the weakest fake reason to vote someone I've ever heard.

-X

[JJJ]

Like damn. Everyone is in here joking around and multiple people have been less productive than our slot and Iconeum shitpushes us on some terrible/fake logic.

That doesn't sit right with me.

-X

no, i'm voting you because i have a feeling that your entire rvs phase so far feels ungenuine

do you have a problem with that?

yeah. It's a load of BS. There's no way you genuinely feel that way about our slot over others.

-X

[JJJ]

omgus vote much?

congratulations. A scummy response that added absolutely nothing of value to the conversation. I guess I should have expected as much.
-X

[JJJ]

"do you have a problem with that?"

obviously I have a problem with it. And you're not even addressing anything I said. You're not trying to form a read on me, you're just spewing crap like you were in the first place

[JJJ]

That's far from a misrep, your responses did not constitute trying to solve, read, our slot, anything like that. To call it an omgus vote is to discredit

me

when your reasons for voting us don't make any sense. At least it doesn't make sense for you to single this slot out for the reasons you've stated and then say nothing about other slots that are guilty of the same traits you claim to see in us.

Funnily enough I was going to answer the question asked to uncrowned regarding emps and our answers are almost identical. But answering that question for him not only makes me unable to form a read on him based on a response, but it also makes both of us look scummier as a result. So I didn't.

As for your 124, he was prompted to give an answer on his thoughts. I wasn't. I prodded emps before Unc even explained his thoughts because I was trying to get the slot to do something that provided readable content rather than be able to coast by and have a completely non-existent/disingenuous RVS. Which is exactly what he's done so far. And coincidentally enough, fits the exact description of why you have a problem with our slot (disingenuous RVS) except our slot has actually been in more discussion other than one useless "vote", even if most of it was goofing around.

So I'm gonna need you to stop being ignorant if you're town. Any maybe try a little harder to make your stances look believable if scum. If not for me, then for your partner's sake.

[JJJ]

I think ur extremely defensive for a simple callout tho

If you are town, do you really have a problem with me calling something that I think was scum indicative out?

I have a problem with how little sense it makes. And since I know I'm town why should I allow you to paint me in such a disgusting and untruthful way?

-X

[JJJ]

Okay. I'll accept that. I'm not in a great mood rn and maybe I'll feel differently about your approach in the morning. So it's probably best that I just wait until then to continue this conversation.

-X

[JJJ]

HH, so far I don't know who you are.

But can you answer me, have I played with either head before?

Yes

-X

[JJJ]

Thank you for explaining yourself in a clear manner even though I was being snappy at you. I do genuinely respect that. Like I said, I will have more to say tomorrow and I will try to approach it in a more constructive, open-minded manner.

Or maybe Y will beat me to it. I dunno

-X

[JJJ]

When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.

When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.

When emps is still voting the mod and said pretty much nothing to make his slot more readable or progress the game.

-X

[JJJ]

I got other things I wanna say but I doubt it'd be constructive rn so maybe later

-X

[JJJ]

yoink

[JJJ]

When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.

When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.

When emps is still voting the mod and said pretty much nothing to make his slot more readable or progress the game.

-X

Mena, I don't really understand. If anything, him gauging the general vibe of the players and then still deciding to vote on me is brave, and something I don't see scum players doing very often. Is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it's pretty weak. But I think Mena would be self-aware enough as scum to know that this is a bad move for him if he is that alignment.

The reasoning being bad is precisely why I think it looks like a vanity vote. Weak reasoning, going against the grain as far as how most people are reading you. Awkwardly confident. Feels like a vanity vote.

[JJJ]

When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.

When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.

When emps is still voting the mod and said pretty much nothing to make his slot more readable or progress the game.

-X

Mena, I don't really understand. If anything, him gauging the general vibe of the players and then still deciding to vote on me is brave, and something I don't see scum players doing very often. Is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it's pretty weak. But I think Mena would be self-aware enough as scum to know that this is a bad move for him if he is that alignment.

The reasoning being bad is precisely why I think it looks like a vanity vote. Weak reasoning, going against the grain as far as how most people are reading you. Awkwardly confident. Feels like a vanity vote.

eh. I kinda like mena's responses to 344 although it's not out of his scum range. I guess it seems like a genuine enough vote.

[JJJ]

I’m assuming you mean 339

In which case you haven’t because pushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do

but this is also weird bc Mena was literally trying to start a mod wagon??

[JJJ]

What's a "vanity vote"? Is it scummy?

Idk if I used the term correctly but basically I thought he made the vote for looks without any real intention of it being wagoned/lynched. So yeah, it's scummy in the sense that I thought he was voting in a way that was conscious of his own image rather than to get something done.

But I am less sure of that now.
-X

[JJJ]

I loosely read along in this game while it was going on, where Uncrowned was scum. I felt that his play here resembled his play there. So I read his ISO from that game a few hours ago and I see some differences that actually make me want to TR him. He seems a lot less focused on overly wordy posts about himself like he appeared to there, and seems to be putting more focusing into genuinely solving/forming reads here. I don't necessarily agree with much that he's said here so far, but it seems like it comes from a genuine place.
-X

[JJJ]

VOTE: chemist

I'm keeping this until he actually starts playing and makes a real vote. Emps is runner up as far as my vote is concerned. Haven't talked to Y in awhile though so this may change when that changes.
-X

[JJJ]

VOTE: chemist

I'm keeping this until he actually starts playing and makes a real vote. Emps is runner up as far as my vote is concerned. Haven't talked to Y in awhile though so this may change when that changes.
-X

Sorry for my inactivity! Word of advice on the new Star Wars: don't see it, the finale actually hurt my eyes so much that I had to go straight home and close my eyes, then I drifted off...
Anyways, I agree with X's vote and reasoning for now. Emps is sus as all hell, but It's always good to make sure to put pressure on lurkers, since they are detrimental to town and it's too easy to hide there as scum - Y

[JJJ]

Starting a mod wagon = meme-y, not trying to get anyone lynched

Pushing people for not being actively pro-town = pushing people who are targetable rather than pushing people who are necessarily scum

Clogging up the thread with meme votes isn't helpful to town, and can lead to scum reads even for town members that are normally willing to play along. - Y

[JJJ]

If people are going to keep calling me scummy for trying to get slots that are voting the moderator to actually play the game then I'm not thinking this is gonna be a very productive day.
-X

[JJJ]

If people are going to keep calling me scummy for trying to get slots that are voting the moderator to actually play the game then I'm not thinking this is gonna be a very productive day.
-X

May I direct you to today’s date

day as in phase

Like, explain what scenario you're imagining where your vote on Chemist does something. Because in my experience, voting players who aren't being "productive" doesn't make them produce more content.

in a perfect world more people join me in voting him until he either does something or gets lynched for just voting the moderator and not really contributing to discussion. I'm really not understanding the lack of acknowledgement towards pressure from this player list.

-X

[JJJ]

Well, this isn't a perfect world. Plus, lynching people for reasons like that isn't really any more likely to hit scum than a random lynch. So I don't see how your Chemist vote is a real attempt at scumhunting.

ok so by your logic you are implying that even in a perfect world where a chemist wagon becomes a thing he is just gonna continue to vote the moderator and contribute nothing?

Therefore you are completely denying that vote/wagon pressure is even a thing and by that same logic implying that chemist will do nothing this game unless he decides he wants to. So how would that be a bad lynch?

-X

[JJJ]

I'm just gonna come out and say that anyone who doesn't read or at least look at Micro 900 isn't doing their due diligence in reading me, Menalque, Iconeum, or emps.

I'm not going to read Micro 900 but also I don't really think you're flipping scum which is why I'm not voting you. I've played enough with the other three to have a decent grasp of their metas.

-X

[JJJ]

If you do flip red I'm powerlynching chemist though

[JJJ]

yoink

[JJJ]

Well, this isn't a perfect world. Plus, lynching people for reasons like that isn't really any more likely to hit scum than a random lynch. So I don't see how your Chemist vote is a real attempt at scumhunting.

Scum is totally more likely to lurk than town.

I also agree with HH that if Chemist isn't going to be productive, he's somewhat anti-town in the sense that our read accuracy is damaged a bit.

Content from that slot would be very useful rn imo

I agree. Lurking is always inherently sus IMO.

If people are going to keep calling me scummy for trying to get slots that are voting the moderator to actually play the game then I'm not thinking this is gonna be a very productive day.
-X

May I direct you to today’s date

Yeah, you're hopping in to do this while you're voting the mod. Where are you at, cuz you're coasting at the moment?

BP

It's a prodge.

- Y

[JJJ]

yeah I'm p sure chem is town

meh I guess this is a towny read

in my experience when I call scum out for a specific behavior they tend to stop doing that thing instead of doubling down

Another post with no content. - Y

[JJJ]

I'm just gonna come out and say that anyone who doesn't read or at least look at Micro 900 isn't doing their due diligence in reading me, Menalque, Iconeum, or emps.

I'm not going to read Micro 900 but also I don't really think you're flipping scum which is why I'm not voting you. I've played enough with the other three to have a decent grasp of their metas.

-X

ooh so like at least 2 games with me? im kinda curious abt who u r lul

2 or 3, idr

[JJJ]

I'm just gonna come out and say that anyone who doesn't read or at least look at Micro 900 isn't doing their due diligence in reading me, Menalque, Iconeum, or emps.

I'm not going to read Micro 900 but also I don't really think you're flipping scum which is why I'm not voting you. I've played enough with the other three to have a decent grasp of their metas.

-X

ooh so like at least 2 games with me? im kinda curious abt who u r lul

2 or 3, idr

-X

[JJJ]

@HH: Is Iconeum scummier or townier to you now compared to when you unvoted him?

I've been struggling to form an opinion. I don't think it would be the worst lynch right now but I guarantee I will be able to confidently read them with PoE.

[JJJ]

-X

[JJJ]

I just had a hallucinogenic vision that revealed to me that Aaron frost is evil

But I dont know if that's a good enough reason to vote him

-X

[JJJ]

Deadline is getting close and I'll be V/LA for most of the 31st so if I have to choose between ico and aldu I guess I'd prefer Ico overall.

VOTE: iconeum

-x

[JJJ]

Chemist is participating a little bit more (still not enough to no longer be suspicious, but he's definitely no longer my number 1.) He's also stopped with his mod voting.
VOTE: Alduskkel

[JJJ]

Deadline is getting close and I'll be V/LA for most of the 31st so if I have to choose between ico and aldu I guess I'd prefer Ico overall.

VOTE: iconeum

-x

Chemist is participating a little bit more (still not enough to no longer be suspicious, but he's definitely no longer my number 1. He's also stopped with his mod voting.
VOTE: Alduskkel

Meant to sign this. -Y

Since X feels stronger about this, let me UNVOTE: and VOTE: Iconeum again. My bad. -Y

[JJJ]

It's probably going to come down to one of the two people currently near lynch for simple logistical reasons though. I doubt we're going to be able to shift enough votes around on December 31st unless maybe we get a pause. I'm not enthusiastic about that.
I will hammer Chemist (or someone else at L-1 if votes shift) tomorrow if it looks like we're about to run out of time, simply because it's mathematically better for town to lynch D1 than to not lynch. - Y

[JJJ]

I could see LAMIST scum. It's been a back burner read of mine for the last couple days but it's not getting lynched today so I haven't bothered to bring it up.

Am curious to know why we are null to mena though. Iirc me and AF went from being TL or TR to "eh" without explanation.

v/la for the rest of the day
-X

[JJJ]

Since our deadline has been extended and we're presumably getting tomorrow off, I'm revoking my promise to hammer today.
Have a good new year everyone. I'll be around despite X's V/LA. - Y

[JJJ]

Did you iso me as well or is this based on interacting with me here?

your iso is like 30% of the thread or smth so i'm never reading that in isolation, i'll just read the game thread when i can be bothered

based on our interactions here. you're seeking information which is town indicative but you're savagely tunnelled which is both AI, and not indicative of a particular alignment

You're right, he's crossed beyond analysis and right into spam territory.
Please calm down Mena - Y

[JJJ]

Did you iso me as well or is this based on interacting with me here?

your iso is like 30% of the thread or smth so i'm never reading that in isolation, i'll just read the game thread when i can be bothered

based on our interactions here. you're seeking information which is town indicative but you're savagely tunnelled which is both AI, and not indicative of a particular alignment

You're right, he's crossed beyond analysis and right into spam territory.
Please calm down Mena - Y

To be clear, I'm not saying that you should post less content, just please try to consolidate it into fewer and longer posts. It's much harder to follow along when there's like 2 straight pages of just one line posts from you. - Y

[JJJ]

I had something to say but I fell asleep while catching up and forgot what it was

-X

[JJJ]

I do think one of TW and mena is scum. Kinda liking duck's entrance tho and mena never expanding on how me and AF became null is weird

[JJJ]

VOTE: menalque
-X

[JJJ]

I have information.

Spill it, friend.
-X

[JJJ]

It's a start.
-X

[JJJ]

VOTE: emps

[JJJ]

I think it's good. FTR I don't want a babysitter to claim yet. Emps is probably just scum.
-X

[JJJ]

Official Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Chemist1422

(5): Uncrowned, Look At Me Im So Town, emps, AaronFrost, the worst

[LYNCH]

emps

(1): Menalque

the worst

(1): Alduskkel

Alduskkel

(1): Chemist1422

Menalque

(1): HH

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-03 18:00:00).

Mod notes:

• ...

Pretty safe to assume if scum!emps then partner was not on the chem wagon.

Mena or aldu. Probably just an emps mena team to be honest.

-X

[JJJ]

you don't think the blank vote for emps was suspicious

Emps. Real vote please.

-X

I legitimately don't know what you mean

you don't think the blank vote for emps was suspicious

Why is that suspicious?

cause of stuff

Emps. Real vote please.

-X

I legitimately don't know what you mean

I'm asking emps to place a real vote?
-X

yeah I was being dense idk how I misunderstood this

also, to clarify, you're saying your emps vote wasn't RVS?

Interestingly I had you as my next highest scumread aside from Emps, HH.

However, a Mena/Emps team would make sense given how Mena reacted to my early game push on Emps.

Yeah I was just looking back at mena and aldu's ISO's while ctrl+f'ing "emps" and mena looks much worse.

99% sure emps is just scum here and if it red flips you can rb me if it makes you feel better.
-X

[JJJ]

well I didn't realize I still had those quoted. Disregard for now, I wanted to talk to Y before I cased an associate more in depth.
-X

[JJJ]

I know it's early to be saying all this but there are certain scenarios that can go down today in which I think you should state your rb target for tonight beforehand. Like if we are positive emps/someone else is about to flip scum.

-X

[JJJ]

Even a conditional like "if emps flips scum I'm gonna rb HH"

that way I can be confirmed if he red flips and you die

[JJJ]

I guess aldu makes some sense mechanically even if mena makes more sense socially, as scum.

Aldo had a lot more heat than emps and was statistically more likely to be rb'ed, tracked, etc last night. Mena slightly more hot than emps I think, but not as bad as aldu in that regard.

If mena is scum they prob tried to kill me

-X

[JJJ]

strongman goes thru rb?
-X

[JJJ]

As far as "did a rb stop scum or did a babysitter stop scum" my philosophy is this. A roleblocker is going to target who he finds scummy. In other words, someone who a town PR finds to be scummier than others. Which means There's a decent chance that they are, in fact, scum.

A babysitter is another town PR who is going to target someone that he finds towny

AND

thinks has a decent likelihood of being shot/being a PR. In other words, the babysitter, should they exist, not only has the same burden of hoping their target's alignment is what they think it is, they are also effectively useless that night if they aren't correctly guessing who the scum is going to shoot. In a game like this, where we have only hanged 1 person and it was a townie, the information there is very limited.

Based purely on the skill of a baby sitter and a roleblocker, leaving luck out as a factor, the roleblocker has a better chance of preventing the NK, I think. Sure, they have to have also picked the scum who was actually attempting this skill, but even with this in consideration (and in this case, FMPOV, emps fits the bill as a shooter if the partner had any amount of heat) I believe Occam's razor says you stopped scum last night.

-X

[JJJ]

If there's not a strong man I think this game is heavily in town favor now. Assuming emps is scum of course.
-X

[JJJ]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

[JJJ]

I agree with X, Emps is most likely scum. Simple math is that he has to die. - Y

[JJJ]

The reason it’s “on par” with how I’d react as scum is because I’m p fucking good at simulating my towngame as scum

last time I caught you and you were scum you kept claiming the stuff you were doing was out of your scum range so this doesn't persuade me.

also you're calling everyone scum that says you're scummy, not a great way to handle the situation IMO, but I don't think that part is AI.

-X

[JJJ]

Pushing me is scummy as FUCK considering that I was (1) against lynching conf!town (2) correctly townreading probable PR who isn’t dead which they likely would be if I was scum and (3) was voting the person who is very likely scum here when I also have a strong no bussing meta as scum which honestly I’m not breaking in this game

(1) there were no conf!towns and I still think you were TMI'ing on his aalignment
(2) no one died
(3) vanity vote

[JJJ]

-X

[JJJ]

I’ve been disengaged

you have 3x the posts as the next highest person

[JJJ]

But like I’m still in reservations about it because if HH!town then AF’s scum equity goes up noticeably for trying to encourage a 1v1 between us

I mean it's definitely possible. I think I've seen scum!AF do something similar before but I'm not sure where
-X

[JJJ]

Aldus what do you think of AFF? I was leaning him being town because I thought lamist and H we’re both scummier but honestly his posts today are terrible

Leaning town too. What's so bad about his posts today?

As for HH, not sure what to think atm. Kinda looked town early game but then the Chemist vote + the lack of pushing Icon are suspect.

lol. I tried to get chemist in the game and when he stopped being 100% useless I voted elsewhere. I wasn't even on the wagon like what ?!?!

-X

[JJJ]

TW I really don't want you to be scum

I mean tbh if you are it's gonna be hard for me to ever scumread you

but can you still reassure me?

-X

[JJJ]

Pushing me is scummy as FUCK considering that I was (1) against lynching conf!town (2) correctly townreading probable PR who isn’t dead which they likely would be if I was scum and (3) was voting the person who is very likely scum here when I also have a strong no bussing meta as scum which honestly I’m not breaking in this game

(1) there were no conf!towns and I still think you were TMI'ing on his aalignment
(2) no one died
(3) vanity vote

honesly I want to expand on this because I think this post is super fucking LAMIST and scummy

1. wording it the way he did implies there was any reason to believe that chemist should have been regarded as conf!town pre-flip
2. he also pushes him more than anyone else and it's painstakingly obvious that there being no kill means that the whole "who isn't dead" thing is DOA. for all we know unc was the target of the nk last night
3. a singular vote that gains zero traction when there's already an established wagon going on and other stray votes that could be formed into wagons does

NOT

constitute bussing. It's not bussing it's distancing. Where TF were you when I was voting emps? bc I'm pretty sure you were calling me scummy for it.

-X

[JJJ]

Is town particularly keen on throwing this game for some reason?

he just slipped my alignment here while calling me scum btw

[JJJ]

There is a 66% chance that we’re in a strongman setup

33%

[JJJ]

FTR I don't think Mena is scum here. Yeah there was the "association" with Emps but it was pretty surface level. The rest of his play I've kinda liked tbh. I'd need someone to explain what's scummy about him to really change my view

I think you should rb him if emps flips red if you're not gonna rb me and potentially confirm me

[JJJ]

I mean i guess it's not terrible since i can at the least clear someone and you guys go into d3 worst case scenario with 2 confirmed townies. From there it's PoE

if emps is scum I kinda doubt he's strongman so I'm not sure if confirming someone is a super viable thought. I know, I know. But it kinda dawned on me that you're likely to be strongman shot tonight if there is one and isn't emps

[JJJ]

all this has been -X btw

[JJJ]

I actually think there is a potentially huge benefit to the other PR claiming. I just realized how disastrous things could get if a certain something happened.

Is anyone catching my drift?

-X

[JJJ]

I mean i guess it's not terrible since i can at the least clear someone and you guys go into d3 worst case scenario with 2 confirmed townies. From there it's PoE

if emps is scum I kinda doubt he's strongman so I'm not sure if confirming someone is a super viable thought. I know, I know. But it kinda dawned on me that you're likely to be strongman shot tonight if there is one and isn't emps

What makes you think emps is more likely to be a Goon than a scum PR?

the fact that he made the nk, mostly

[JJJ]

-X

[JJJ]

oh shit, aaron is town.

-X

[JJJ]

UNVOTE:

Just for now bc I think he's at L-1 and I don't want him to end this day early when he gets here.

this is literally one of the strongest townslips I have ever seen
-X

[JJJ]

that's defs a soft or a slip yeah
i've used the same before, accidentally and intentionally!

Right so if I clicked that why is he still alive today if I’m scum

This literally means nothing when the kill was stopped and we have no way of knowing who scum's target was.

Actually you do have a point if there is a strongman but we don't exactly have a way of knowing that.

scum wouldnt blow the 1 shot on n1 like that. reminder that mena thinking unc was pr =/= thinking he is a RB

[JJJ]

This is still under the assumption that scum!emps was roleblocked last night while attempting a kill, like pretty much everything I've said this phase has been:

if mena

did

for some reason think unc was an rb rather than something else, it's actually +scum equity for mena.

from mena's point of view, he was likely to be targetted by a pr!unc, having emps make the kill instead would make perfect sense. esp since emps was the one mena was voting (the enemy of my enemy kinda thing), but unc threw a fucking curveball and that's why we see the mena meltdown

[JJJ]

still -X

[JJJ]

I have some really fuckin gnarly theories/strategies to throw out but I'm worried it's either not healthy for the game or someone will feel like it's not healthy for the game

-X

[JJJ]

Unc, is the enemy of your enemy your enemy, or your friend?

-X

[JJJ]

This is still under the assumption that scum!emps was roleblocked last night while attempting a kill, like pretty much everything I've said this phase has been:

if mena

did

for some reason think unc was an rb rather than something else, it's actually +scum equity for mena.

from mena's point of view, he was likely to be targetted by a pr!unc, having emps make the kill instead would make perfect sense. esp since emps was the one mena was voting (the enemy of my enemy kinda thing), but unc threw a fucking curveball and that's why we see the mena meltdown

this might be a misrep, I thought unc was voting mena oops

-X

[JJJ]

There is a 66% chance that we’re in a strongman setup

33%

This is just literally not true

re-read the setup, slowly
-X

[JJJ]

the mena self-vote is rly bad too. Obviously you aren't getting fucking lynched today, cut the theatrics. We lynch you after your all but confscum buddy sinks.

-X

[JJJ]

The fact that he's not vanity voting himself is like...
At least I know how to read scum!mena lol
-X

[JJJ]

The fact that he's

now

vanity voting himself is like...
At least I know how to read scum!mena lol
-X

[JJJ]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Do you have experience with scum!Mena?

BP

yeah
-X

[JJJ]

I honestly dgaf rn

There’s minimum 1 and probably 2 town insisting on misreading me rn and I cbf to deos with it

HH is gonna hide behind their hydra and claim “oh you’re just like when I caught you as sucm” or whatever bullshit they’re on

not really, I'm just saying I don't care about your self-meta bs
-X

[JJJ]

can we plynch mena

tomorrow

[JJJ]

I didn’t want to say anything until AF or tw said why they suspected Menalque but with how upset he is it gives me the impression that he’s scum with emps and that he’s upset because of the game falling apart for scum but he has to act upset about something else

like if Menalque is town then from his perspective there are two likely scenarios
1. emps flips scum and then we lynch Menalque who flips town, but we still have another lynch (maybe two) and maybe a conftown as well. not ideal but if I were town!Menalque I’d still be thinking my faction has a decent chance to win
2. emps flips town and then people scumreading Menalque have to reconsider their reads since part of the suspicion on him is due to thinking he’s scum with emps. in this case if I were town!Menalque then I’d be holding out hope that people’s reads would change on me after a town!emps flip

so Menalque’s level of upsetness doesn’t really make sense as town unless he thinks not only will emps flip town but also he (Menalque) will get lynched afterwards and cause town to lose

but it does make sense if Menalque is scum and is upset because he feels screwed over by the setup or just hopeless about his chances of winning

I mean maybe I’m underestimating town!Menalque’s emotionality but it seems weird that he got this upset in just a few pages when his faction is gonna be in a good position

In the scum game I've seen from him he went super tryhard wallposting trying to discredit me and AtE'ing out the fucking ass (quite literally the hardest I've seen any player do it). In a sense I see a lot of the same things here. Definitely not 1:1 but tonally it's pretty damn close. pretty sure it's all just a ploy with the intent to make town feel too stupid/guilty to lynch him.

I wish I felt strongly enough to say I'm fine with being lynched next after a red!emps flip as long as mena is after me, but I still think it's too risky for all that. I am disappointed that people are calling me scummy and largely ignoring the things I've said about mena like he is. But it is what it is and I wouldn't fight my lynch too hard because I've already said enough to feel content that it's not my fault if I get mislynched
-X

[JJJ]

Ok caught up. Mena's been townie all game to me. I'm really not seeing what other folks are talking about. Btw, this is L-2. Not sure what Aaron was talking about.

HH, me and duck were all voting for emps when I unvoted.

I honestly forgot about that. But it's still points in my favor. mena keeps talking about his (vanity) voting emps at the end of D1 like it's some huge deal because of a trust tell that I don't have enough experience with him to confirm or deny, but I first voted him and stuck through the vote even when a wagon formed. If I'm really that LHF to any scum pushing me, or if it's all town deluding themselves into believing I have higher scum equity for anything emps/chemist related then I just don't know what to say other than you're not reading me fairly.

-X

[JJJ]

Oh, well that explains why I didn't remember. I figured it was during holidays when Y was steering the ship or something lol
-X

[JJJ]

if emps flips strongman/rolecop I would like mena to be RBed tonight
if he flips goon rb me
if he flips town, rb whoever the hell you want, probably dont announce it though

I don't wanna dive too deep into my thought process here but what I can say is, if it's down to me and mena, SM!emps = non-SM!partner. If that's mena then he's caught, and I already know it does nothing more than a clear if it's on me which I'm not overly concerned about being cleared. If I'm wrong on mena it looks like it'll be too destructive for us to live in peace anyway. In other words I'm fine with being lynched if mena gets cleared because it'll inevitably happen at some point later if scum isn't pushed before me anyway.
SM=strongman and is interchangable with rolecop for all intents and purposes of this paragraph ^

More likely imo, emps flips goon here, and in that case I'm cool with being RBed. a conditional clear is really all I could want here because it looks like it comes down to me vs mena tomorrow on emps redflip. then we can figure out if claiming PR is necessary (most likely only in the case that there's a kill). If such a thing happens as clears me as non!sm (and therefore not scum if i was rbed during a kill) then cool, I'll take it.

I guess it's kinda greedy but fmpov it's just the smartest thing to do. Dealing with mena's toxicity so far this phase is already making it hard for me to want to push my thoughts on him, and I really don't wanna have to deal with that with some kind of WIFOM "is he SM" situation.

-X

[JJJ]

I also don't wanna give mena any more reasons to be angry towards me and apparently my anonymity struck a nerve with him there, so yeah, I'm eth0s. Pretty much everything I've done in this game is within my scumrange. I want to say I don't normally do "prod votes" like I did to chemist and emps as scum, because I'm always paranoid that I'll get lynched for it on day ones when there's nothing better to go off of. But I probably have done that as scum, too.

I've caught scum!emps, I've mislynched town!emps as scum.
I've caught scum!mena (his predecessor screwed the game for him but there are still some parallels I've pointed out), I've pocketted mena as scum (but lost).
I've caught AF as scum, I've lost to scum!AF (where I was under the guise of Cliff Booth), I've rolled scum with AF (he replaced in) and won, I believe I've lost a game with him where we were both town, too.
I've rolled scum with uncrowned before (I replaced in, he carried us to victory), where we defeated a town The Worst.
Think I've played with The worst a couple times other than that but I'm worried I might misrep our past because I used to mix him up with Stargazer and someone else. Apparently he is Wooper from a jester nightless game I played recently. He was jester and I was scum that wanted to lynch him, so... yeah
Billy was town with me when we lost to scum aaron. Think we've won another town game together too.
Chemist was in the game with me and mena where I was scum and I lost to them.

Based on meta I've been telling Y this entire game that uncrowned is town. Been saying emps was sketchy, don't remember much past that. I think he said something earlier that kinda persuaded me to think he was town but there was def some gambler's fallacy going on in my mind too so idunno. Havent felt too strongly about AF based on meta in this game. The Worst is too good for me to read on meta. Billy I can't meta read that strongly. Chemist never does anything and therefore I never know how to read him.

Oh I also shot datisi in the face when she was a jailkeeper once

AMA

-X (eth0s)

[JJJ]

OHHH HAIIII FORMER SCUM BUDDY

Man I'm really curious. Are the differences between my scum and town that obvious? (That's directed at TW too, also we can leave this for post game so we dont derail if you guys want lol)

I just noticed the way you talked about yourself this game was night and day from our other game

[JJJ]

I just noticed I never talked about nythoughts on mena from meta. It's been really back and forth all game.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

If it's not mena it could be ducky. I'm not good at reading ducky though. Not great at reading ico either I think. Definitely not loving the way lamist has handled this phase either tho. However hearing the thing about mena catching korina and being frustrated does somewhat make me want to reconsider. But it still kinda irks me that he's been scumreading me and and was one of the people who said my emps voting was bad. I dont remember if he went full ico saying that my vote was useless. Anyone that has suggested that my vote on emps yesterday was useless/me trying to look town and now saying that I can be scum is def sus. I'm having a hard time wording it but basically you cant have it both ways.

Even in the sense of it being a distance vote, it doesnt really make sense because I was prod voting chemist later on as well.

[JJJ]

I think that we should be Uncrowned's target tonight to clear us, since we're apparently null or confusing for a lot of people, so that would clear us. - Y

[JJJ]

Note that #1043 was X.
- Y

[JJJ]

I also don't wanna give mena any more reasons to be angry towards me and apparently my anonymity struck a nerve with him there, so yeah, I'm eth0s. Pretty much everything I've done in this game is within my scumrange. I want to say I don't normally do "prod votes" like I did to chemist and emps as scum, because I'm always paranoid that I'll get lynched for it on day ones when there's nothing better to go off of. But I probably have done that as scum, too.

I've caught scum!emps, I've mislynched town!emps as scum.
I've caught scum!mena (his predecessor screwed the game for him but there are still some parallels I've pointed out), I've pocketted mena as scum (but lost).
I've caught AF as scum, I've lost to scum!AF (where I was under the guise of Cliff Booth), I've rolled scum with AF (he replaced in) and won, I believe I've lost a game with him where we were both town, too.
I've rolled scum with uncrowned before (I replaced in, he carried us to victory), where we defeated a town The Worst.
Think I've played with The worst a couple times other than that but I'm worried I might misrep our past because I used to mix him up with Stargazer and someone else. Apparently he is Wooper from a jester nightless game I played recently. He was jester and I was scum that wanted to lynch him, so... yeah
Billy was town with me when we lost to scum aaron. Think we've won another town game together too.
Chemist was in the game with me and mena where I was scum and I lost to them.

Based on meta I've been telling Y this entire game that uncrowned is town. Been saying emps was sketchy, don't remember much past that. I think he said something earlier that kinda persuaded me to think he was town but there was def some gambler's fallacy going on in my mind too so idunno. Havent felt too strongly about AF based on meta in this game. The Worst is too good for me to read on meta. Billy I can't meta read that strongly. Chemist never does anything and therefore I never know how to read him.

Oh I also shot datisi in the face when she was a jailkeeper once

AMA

-X (eth0s)

FWIW, the stuff he said about what he's been saying all game is true. - Y

[JJJ]

Emps think it's HH or LAMIST?

Can we gather anything from this? Does anyone know if Emps is the type to try and distance?

In deathcars he shaded nearly every slot, including his partner I believe. But didn't he just play like 5 scum games? Idk how his play progressed/remained same through all that.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

sorry to remain contrarian but it's simply not worth withholding your roleblock target.

I agree. Also a no nightkill is good for us even if it's framing a rb'ed target, right?

-eth0s

[JJJ]

actually aldus has the good point

it's strictly optimal to say, for example

if emps flips scum i'm blocking mena
if emps flips town i'm blocking in {tw, aldus}

I gave some pretty extensive conditional targets and you said it was bad :/

Can you tell me why you felt that way since you seem to agree a conditional target announcement is a good idea?

[JJJ]

sorry to remain contrarian but it's simply not worth withholding your roleblock target.

I agree. Also a no nightkill is good for us even if it's framing a rb'ed target, right?

-eth0s

Exactly /o/

actually aldus has the good point

it's strictly optimal to say, for example

if emps flips scum i'm blocking mena
if emps flips town i'm blocking in {tw, aldus}

I gave some pretty extensive conditional targets and you said it was bad :/

Can you tell me why you felt that way since you seem to agree a conditional target announcement is a good idea?

Did I? I might have misunderstood ya could you quote me?

Either way it was kinda sour of the moment - I think letting Uncrowned operate on his own initiative is probs wise if emps actually greens

I thought you said my idea for who emps should rb was a 5-6 out of 10 idea

[JJJ]

sorry to remain contrarian but it's simply not worth withholding your roleblock target.

I agree. Also a no nightkill is good for us even if it's framing a rb'ed target, right?

-eth0s

Exactly /o/

actually aldus has the good point

it's strictly optimal to say, for example

if emps flips scum i'm blocking mena
if emps flips town i'm blocking in {tw, aldus}

I gave some pretty extensive conditional targets and you said it was bad :/

Can you tell me why you felt that way since you seem to agree a conditional target announcement is a good idea?

Did I? I might have misunderstood ya could you quote me?

Either way it was kinda sour of the moment - I think letting Uncrowned operate on his own initiative is probs wise if emps actually greens

I thought you said my idea for who emps should rb was a 5-6 out of 10 idea

Who unc should rb*
Ugh
-eth0s

[JJJ]

Is there anything left to go over this phase?

I've got somewhat of a bold strategy that I think makes this game nearly impossible to lose but I kinda doubt anyone will want to go along with it. So I'm torn but the phase has probably nearly run it's course

-eth0s

[JJJ]

I guess I might as well lay it out there. I think we might want 2nd PR to just claim. I'm having a hard time articulating why because I feel

my

perspective could make things a tad too easy for scum.

Surely I'm not the only one who has considered the benefits of a massclaim though right?

[JJJ]

In short, I think the pros outweigh the cons. If X scum cant do Y. If scum can't do Y then A can do B, which makes the game basically won by PoE. If not, scum has to do Z, which is only bad if X does C, potentially game winning if X does D.

You know what I mean?

Even if X isnt true, theres a slew of other benefits we can derive from the situation. A and E can still do B, and as it stands those things could overlap, making it somewhat pointless.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

TW if you're not on board then that's already most of the support I could hope for. I'm going to be kinda ticked off d3 if emps flips goon and an avoidable situation occurs, but I guess I can understand not showing all our cards from a skeptical point of view.

If emps flips scum anything I think it is advantageous to get the PRs outted today. Our conftown pool increases in almost every scenario, and that's not even counting the 2nd PR.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

If we are not outing 2nd pr today then it is

imperative

that we know what uncrowned is doing tonight. Even if it's conditional that all needs to be laid out. I'm starting to care less and less what he chooses to do but it needs to be public info.

If emps flips town I can understand and handle the flack that I'll receive for my stance today but I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't flip town here.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

Does anyone challenge my stance that AaronFrost is damn near conftown?

That's the strongest read I have outside of Uncrowned. Hell if it weren't for the meta reasons I was already TRing unc for I might be more inclined to call Aaron my highest TR despite the unc claim.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

BAHHH!!!!!!!!

[JJJ]

You should mod more (if u enjoy it) you did well!

This ^
-eth0s

[JJJ]

@eth0s i think the way you played is exactly the opposite of the way to play with me ftr

My reads were fucking spot on until you started shitpushing me and completely ignoring everything that pointed towards town!me

If you’d actually talked to me instead of going for “yeah this is how scum!mena reacts” I probably would have got to scum!LAMIST on D2

Like, just, how am I meant to react to a push which has its fundamental base in “mena is capable of this as scum” rather than “mena is actually scummy/has done scummy shit”

I regret nothing

-eth0s

[JJJ]

@Mena

If it means anything, I didn't really want to roleblock you N2. I think I said it earlier but I was actually going to block LAMIST since he had gone under my radar a bit throughout the game. But Emps got hammered before I could come back in and say I changed my mind so I went by what I posted earlier.

Unfortunate you didn't have much enjoyment this game, I've liked both games I've played with you a lot <3

Ducky is a super sub

Scum were actually not all that obvious but I think there were just so many people who were doing well at making it obvious they were town (AD, Aldus, TW) that it really narrowed down the pool. My choice to block Emps was super tough and it could've gone many different ways if just one or two things changed

Hope to catch you guys in whatever game I'm in next

Mena got cleared and I got cleared via death. Which is exactly what I wanted. It was the optimal play.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

I'm never going to apologize for incorrectly scumreading someone on day 1 or day 2. I've seen how manipulative you can be as scum mena, which you should take as a compliment.

It was a fun game, sucks the cookie crumbled that way for scum though.

GG

-eth0s

[JJJ]

I think the scum caught onto my fake babysitter soft which makes me lean aldus as scum but I dont know the non billy head on LAMIST so idk.

I'm literal trash at PR hunting (not that I incorrectly identify people as VT/PR, but rather I just never have a read at all) so I have no idea what you're talking about lol

I guess I might as well lay it out there. I think we might want 2nd PR to just claim. I'm having a hard time articulating why because I feel

my

perspective could make things a tad too easy for scum.

I never made it super obvious, and even said things that was effectively me claiming VT a couple times, but statements like this and a couple other things I said were meant to be potentially received as a "pr slip"

But I had to make it ambiguous enough that I wouldn't be straight up lynched for softing PR and not being one

-eth0s

[JJJ]

the mind game aspect is defs more valuable here than ToS

that's kinda why I stopped playing ToS.

It's all about whether your town is smart enough to claim and actually use their Last Wills

And rolling mafia is like rolling the dice

[JJJ]

-eth0s