Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Balance or not doesn’t confirm any alignment.
And games aren’t always like that.
You may see a game where someone takes 1 less to vote but no other role in the game that takes 1 more to vote.
And If there was both, it’s possible they are different alignment. Although I don’t think it would ever be W/W.
But I don’t know, it depends on the host.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I've done all i can

For scum yeah.
Don’t worry, we will lynch your buddies too!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well looks like I start working again tomorrow.
So my activity is gonna be cut in half lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

(working on catching up)

Lets do it. Hurry!

Why the rush? We have over a week and once we have a plan set in place it should be fast until second last has to pick.

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

I'd be ok with this if TSE confirms he's ok with the plan and will pass it to beeboy. (And now I see in the next post he agrees to this)

I think the pass/fail of the quiz is going to prove if we have scum or not. If you're scum, you have no reason to pass the quiz. Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

I agree with this. Chances are if it fails there is at least 1 scum within the quiz group.

Yeah so you want to do Me - BeeBoy and PinkBall decides SirCakez and Unwnd?
I’m down with that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh I thought farside's post was from Raya.

I don't care farside, you're opting to defend a pretty much obvious scum claim, so if you're not scum, you're just not someone I'm following

Your working with and trusting obvious scum ABR so.....???

Unwnd is the obvious scum.
And when they flip you will be too.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE caught her first

^^^
@ABR

I caught Unwnd since the beginning.
It was my first full interaction.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

IF WE CAUGHT UNWND IT IS THANKS TO ME, AND ME ALONE.

YOU OWE ME YOUR PATHETIC LIVES.....

WRONG

I’ve been tunnelling them since the beginning lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The team is Unwnd, Farside and Starbuck/SirCakez

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also don’t disrespect my country.
I love Canada.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fuck off tse trying to get my credit, really bro?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

You tryna tell me some kid who joined in 2019 was accurate? Sure whatever. I caught the scumbag. He cracked under my pressure.

AMERICA TSE

DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS THE WORLDS FIRST DEMOCRACY?

Don’t make me punch you out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Relax, I'm from Canada too.

I can still be relaxed and punch you out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

the whole slot is scum, beginning with the role pm and ending with the horrible reaction under pressure. This is a waste of time. Pass the chain and go to night.

I second this.

Not to mention their responses towards me we’re god awful.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By God Awful I mean they didn’t show anything Villagery.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

dude the only thing you punch is the punch clock when you start your shift at Wendy's.

You mean the Punch in I’ll have to do at my work tomorrow to clock in? Yep.
I’m working at E Cycle.
Better then Fast Food.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can I just say if I'm going on my own tangent, especially in a game like this

People throwing out reads as if they're matter-of-fact without any congruent argument attached to it

is

tilting

. Were it all so easy to say someone is scum and then have

no liability to your claim at all

, especially when they flip town

I'm giving out freebies for the rest of you here

LOL

Hypocrite

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't want to hold onto the chain any longer. Most of the time spent with it should be with PB to make the final decision

VOTE: beeboy

Agreed!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If Unwnd is lynched and Mafia Nightkills me.
They might try and setup a ABR mislynch.
Don’t let them.
And the remaining mafia at that time might be SirCakes and Farside

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: PB

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think it’s best if Unwnd dies here.
Cakez did remind me that he was the only one whom answered my question and Unwnd didn’t and Farside stated directly that they refuse to care to answer it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also, could you give a list of your read please?

Missed this before. Wrapping up some stuff at work, but quoting so I answer it when I come back.

As of this moment......without reading the added comments since Post 1216

Town
beeboy

Leaning Town
farside
Raya
TSE
Dunnstral

Null
Pink Ball
NDMath (where the hell is he btw?)
midway
unwnd

Leaning Scumz
spring

Scumz
ABR
SirCakez

Cakez.
I’m sorry.
I’m now beginning to believe it’s Starbuck and not You.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i guess unwnd can change beeboy's quiz once, but that doesn't seem that useful.
I prefer keeping cakez
TSE is probably scum now

Do you think the interaction between me and Unwnd was W/W Theatre?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

my town flip will help get scum starbuck and TSE lynched at least

Dude I’m known to not explain everything clearly regardless of alignment.
I’d rather we lynch Unwnd so you can see I’m Town and then we lynch Starbuck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

OK I'm taking that as death

Don't let ABR win this game, fuck TSE, midway probably the most scum based on this EoD and then I still stand by either Starbuck being bussed by ABR or just town, the third is more elusive

I doubt your Town.
If you are then I apologize and I will remember your meta next game I play with you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

incorrect.
pink ball is right here it's in the rules.

You give the chain by either using bold tagVote:MariaR or using vote tag VOTE: MariaR.
Unvote is not required to change your vote. Also, if it looks like a vote for someone, I will count it. No tricking me!
A player is lynched when they're the only player to not get the chain, the lynchee and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.
If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with No Lynch.
If you're nightkilled, you may post one information-less "bah" post.

I bet your happy that Town miss played.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I was looking at everything as a whole.
Starbuck has the highest chance to be scum then anyone else.
They have way too many scum pairings.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

So if you guys gave me the chain night 1 I'd be bulletproof that night

Lmao they really tried to shoot me

Yeah so 3 possibilities

1) Unwnd is scum that is trying a play to appear Town
2)Unwnd was attacked by scum
3)Scum forgot to submit an attack or choose not to attack

Whatever the case is, lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I GTG to bed

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i cant believe this terrible bullshit. We need to lynch midway, farside, starbuck. STARTING WITH STARBUCK

We start with midway

Midway wasn't a part of the failed quiz

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.
Math and Beeboy are also close to that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.

He's not, though..

In my eyes he is.

I’m also thinking your scum with Starbuck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m pretty busy and have no clue if I have the chain.
If I do.

VOTE: Midwaybear

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lynch Starbuck please.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Me and Starbuck for F2 so I can be chain leader tomorrow.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I love how so many of you are

resigned to my mislynch

that no one is talking to me.

Sigh.

Elaborate on Bolded and explain why you used that context.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

/Accept

I like this team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

While Unwnd can be scum making a big brain play.
If they Sheep me and bus Farside and Starbuck Assuming that’s the scum team then I’m down to lose to that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

But I’m pretty sure at that time I’d figure out their mafia depending on whom they Night Kill.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Haven’t been paying attention so I’ll do this again.

VOTE: Modwaybear

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why is TSE assuming that Unwnd is going to pass him the chain? Like his general not paying attention to the game state is odd.

Ah so she hasn’t past it yet.
MK.
Why the shade bro?
If he does pass me the chain, ima make sure you don’t get one.
Heck even if I don’t get it I’ll gladly be in the F2 with you so not only can I remove a mafia but also become chain leader the next day along with night Immunity.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thing is.
Look at people’s reactions towards Unwnd
It can be telling towards a town and a scum reaction.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I do however agree with Beeboy that ABR and Starbuck are never TvT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok, Starbuck is very insistant on being dismissive of me.
I wonder why.

Because they are scum.

Also flipping Starbuck also lock towns Spring which makes it very clear that Farside is Starbucks’s partner.
(Not really but it narrows the PoE down and points allot to that possibility)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Haven’t been paying attention so I’ll do this again.

VOTE: Modwaybear

Because Starbuck plays bad if they are scum.
We win this and scum can thank Starbuck for their lost.
@Starbuck maybe next time don’t spew TvS Interactions so much.
Starbuck is the optimal lynch here.
It spews Myself, Spring and Almost ABR as Town.
Which is fuckin good.
I’ll have to look into their ISO to see if they spewed anyone else town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The more people in the town Core the better.

Tip of advice to players.
Focus on a Town Core then contently scum reading someone.
You can Scum Read a few but try and focus on confirming spew Town.
The less PoE the better.
If done correctly almost always confirms a town victory assuming everyone does it properly or they follow the one who is doing it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let’s assume Starbuck flipped Mafia already.

Lock Town
Midwaybear
Spring

Almost Always Town
ABR
Beeboy
Math
Pink Ball
Unwnd

PoE
Farside
Raya
Dunn

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Alternatively Lynching Starbuck here and they flip scum makes it so we win here 100% of the time.
The PoE should always be accurate here making us have a 2/3 chance of lynching scum the next day.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well thank goodness I'm not on the scum team.

You have all these "this, this, this, and this will happen when Starbuck flips scum" but Starbuck flipping ain't flipping scum. So what's your plan when I flip town, TSE?

Also, it's real strange that you ignored me for the majority of Day 1 and all of a sudden on Day 2, I exist to you now?

I was focused on Cake and Unwnd.
Nice shade though. Looks nice for me after your scum flip.

This is also something I see scum saying more then Town but fine let’s play your game.

If by some chance you flip Town.
ABR, Spring and PinkBall go into PoE
Whoever had a TvT interaction with you (I admit I honestly ain’t paying much attention to that when I should)
Will be removed from PoE if In the PoE.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I know I said I wasn't going to chainsit but I want to see more responses to the quiz before I pass the chain. The problem we made last time is that we passed the chain before the quiz was finalized, and then somehow people were compliant and said 'oh we can't lynch them'.

Things will be different.

I like this.
Town motivated.
If your scum I guess I hopped in your pocket and you pocketed me.
If you Buss then I can assure you I’ll stay comfy in your pocket.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think you should save it but I definitely understand using it on me.

What?

Did unwnd said he was going to use it on NDMath?


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I'm denying the quiz for this.

Unwnd using pr on beeboy is the sure way of using it to town advantage because it's an overwrite, not a cop.

/Deny

There’s a good chance Math is Town.

But I think it’s better to switch Math for Beeboy because he’s more widely Town read.

Farside and Starbuck should NEVER be in a quiz because they have a big chance to be scum and Farside is probably the reason the last quiz failed.

Dunn I would prefer not to be in the quiz.
Raya I wouldn’t mind on the quiz because I feel if they were scum they are probably the type of player who won’t fail the quiz to make it look legit for Town Credit.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wait scratch that Beeboy auto fails a quiz

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hmm switch Math for Spring and we should be ok.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

I think it’s more like

“Not care because your scum”
Like as scum you honestly wouldn’t care because you want to get as many mislynches as possible.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

even saying that you're a manipulative scum player and that your USER NAME is even manipulative because she thinks you chose your user name to influence the games you are in.

is this legit?!

This framing is scummy.

I said that I thought PB was a manipulative player, to which farside agreed.
I said that I even thought PB's potentially choose an username to influence reads outcome.

I asked PB about it.
PB can confirm or deny.

I think all players can be manipulative. But I only agreed with 1 point you made against PB. I thought the rest was a stretch.

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

Good Ones
Raya36
unwnd
beeboy
springlullaby
TrueSoulEnergy

Meh Ones
Dunnstral
Starbuck
Pink Ball
farside22
NDmath
midwaybear

Scum Ones
Albert B. Rampage - (Clears Farside and Starbucks)

Why are you adding Raya/Spring as good and Dunn/me/SB as meh?
Can you expand on this?

Because your all scummy.
Do you actually believe you 3 to actually be falsely Town read LMAO.
Reads are earned.
For me, Reads are method cleared.
You can’t bypass my reads.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@StarBuck
@Farside
@Dunn
If you guys want a chance to win you should all hard defend and Town Lock each other and try and find a way to work around it.

Although I suppose if you do that I’ll know for a fact your town so I called it out before you did the most optimal play LOL.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your scum*
Damn I really gotta read over my posts before posting.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.

Your setting up mislynches left and right.
First Cake.
Then ABR
Then Spring
Then maybe me?

Not much more left for scum to get a win eh?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Midwaybear is tone town and is Town 100% of the time.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Starbuck dying is the most optimal today as it gives us the most information.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Titus replaces ABR give her a warm welcome!

Hello Titus!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That’s a scum tell

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Mid picked dunn i think. Mid was accused going with the concesses by picking sb, so he switched it to someone else.
Spring listed me, sb, spring, dunn and raya. Abr denied it saying he didn't want that list because if anyone was scum reading players on the list they should deny it. The biggest scum read he had on the list was Sb followed by unwnd.

I can get behind mid. I would also suspect sb or dunn as a partner.

ABR is wrong. Every quest should be approved until one fails. Then we either have scum or forgetfulness. Either we get info or quest bonuses.

MidWayBear is always Town.
I’m always vetoing him.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Assuming no one makes a stupid play and everyone goes brain dead.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Logically speaking if we do make the optimal play and lynch Starbuck.
They flip scum I get NKed and Farside throws shit out of their ass.
If you want to win just ignore Farside completely can completely eliminate them never giving them the chain.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pretend Farside doesn’t exist as a player in the game and is a revealed Mafia Slot after Starbuck’s Mafia Flip.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

Starbuck being scum confirms Farside as scum.
Leaving the final scum within Dunn/Raya

Starbuck being Town means my Solving PoE is wrong.
And Spring and your slot are brought back into PoE.
I may also be wrong about math in that scenario.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Farside also almost makes it out of PoE with Starbuck’s flip.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like Starbuck Scum - Farside ConfScum Ignore Slot
Starbuck Town - Farside has a high chance of being Town but still in PoE.

I believe their teammate is probably Dunn over Raya.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think you don't know how to use the term PoE

Process of Elimination.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

You can ask his how he explains sb/far interactions day 1.
Better questions are why he has those scum reads.
Id ask but he constantly ignores the question or doesn't have an answer for why.

I

still scum read spring in all the back and forth.

I

feel there was scum in the quiz pt.
Sometimes raya pings my rada

r.

Help Starbuck Mislynch Spring
State the obvious first to try and not use it as an excuse because your the scum on the quiz.
And if all goes wrong try to make it look like Raya is your partner and not Dunn.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.

What are you talking about? I was interacting with farside all Day yesterday and last night in the Quiz PT, and it's time that I interact with those that I don't read as town.

You guys we’re both in quiz PT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chain Order 2.0

unwnd

(1)

- unwnd >

Chainless:

(11)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear, beeboy

Quiz Team 2.0

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(1)

- TrueSoulEnergy

Decline

(1)

- beeboy

Not voting:

(10)

- Albert B. Rampage, Dunnstral Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)[/align]

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

To speed up the quiz we should all decline this for having a literal lurker in it =)

Decline quiz

I'd rather not have TSE in there. I would rather lynch him.

sigh

That actually against the rules to fake it like that.
(Maybe not but in some forums it is, maybe not this one)

But Beeboy never said that part.
Beeboy Town reads me
Then you are trying so desperately to mislynch me because I found your entire scum team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Which one of Raya and Spring are less likely to get the chain.
Into the think tank I go.

Uh in general I still town read both of them for the reasons previously mentioned. This game has no universal town reads I feel should immediately get the chain. And I think we are well before the stage in which chain should be passed.

To some degree I should maybe give it to TSE because he is likely on the quiz team today but I also don't particularly want him to instantly pass the chain to midway and have a whole bunch of my town reads be chainless with a bunch of people allegedly having random af town reads on the lurker slot NDMath?

I’m only giving it to Midwaybear because it’s an easy mislynch for Scum when everyone should consider Midwaybear Lock Town like I do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.

Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.

We all have the chain right now.

That has 2 scum in it.
Farside and Starbuck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Beeboy, please don't give it to TSE. The majority think Midway is scum and he's going to immediately give it to him

Doesn’t matter if majority think he’s scum.
Scum have 3 members that count towards majority.
Majority most of the time is wrong and ends up lynching mislynches
Midwaybear is Tone Town.
Consider me your Cop IC.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Farside
Top town read besides PB who I think will have a better chance of getting the chain than farside. Also mine and Farside's reads align better.

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

Yeah.
It’s definitely at Minimum 2 scum within Raya, Farside and Starbuck
If that isn’t game, the last scum is Dunn.

Assuming Starbuck gives it to Dunn
Here’s the plan.
We put me to F2. You mislynch MidWayBear and realize I’m right.
Then I gain Night Immunity and become the Chain Leader.
And we make the F2 a Town read and Starbuck.
So the Town Read can become Chain Leader the next day.
However, it’s possible Farside or Starbuck’s other buddy might vote Starbuck to prevent this.
So we’ll have to figure out a way to bypass that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What is our vote count on the quiz? I think it's pertinent to hold on the chain for the moment until that approve/deny is through.

I mean it doesn’t honestly matter now.
At least 1 of your other buddies holds the chain.
It’s not like anything is going to stop you from passing the chain to your other buddy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unless of course the team is exactly Raya, Farside and Starbuck.
In which case whatever.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually TSE, can you explain why Midway is lockdown to you? Tell me why my read on him in 1681 is wrong.

Here

Your case doses make sense however you aren’t looking at some other solid points.
1-He had an actual case on me and the only one that didn’t feel forced IMO
2-His overall town comes way more from a Town PoV then a Scum’s PoV.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

His overall tone*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.

Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?

Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.

I don't like TSE (where's the wheel) and Mid ignoring me (what's his read on me).

Sigh
That wheel thing was because I got Vengeful in that game.
Keep in mine your slot owner was scum reading Starbuck and I suggest you read his posts about Starbuck so you can get back on the right track.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.

Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.

We all have the chain right now.

That has 2 scum in it.
Farside and Starbuck.

I still think Starbuck is town, idk. Is you're reason an association with Farside or she independently scum to you?

Both
And association towards SirCakez (Town) and Farside (Highly Likely Scum)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really torn on you TSE. I get the feeling that you're town with really bad reads but I can't possibly see how you read midway so strongly as town from a town perspective

My reads aren’t bad.
Their accurate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually TSE, can you explain why Midway is lockdown to you? Tell me why my read on him in 1681 is wrong.

Here

Your case doses make sense however you aren’t looking at some other solid points.
1-He had an actual case on me and the only one that didn’t feel forced IMO
2-His overall town comes way more from a Town PoV then a Scum’s PoV.

Tone isn't a strong tell when there's an actual scum case that makes sense. No offense but it's not hard to make a good scum case on you. You're an easy target for scum right now

Cases not mean shit.
Tone and someone’s Mafia Rolecard does.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean I suppose it depends on the case.
But usually it doesn’t find scum as well as Tone does.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really torn on you TSE. I get the feeling that you're town with really bad reads but I can't possibly see how you read midway so strongly as town from a town perspective

My reads aren’t bad.
Their accurate.

Also you wonder why?
Because I’m not one of those stupid Town that fuckin push mislynches blindly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your town read on midway just doesnt feel genuine. You say he's locktown to you but your only reasoning is he has a good scum case on you when half the game thinks you're scum too and tone. And I completely disagree with tone anyway. His tone is not suggesting town to me.

We can rig the order where TSE and Midway are the bottom two. I volunteer to be third in that setup. I think TSE might be town just terribly wrong.

If TSE is correct, a midway flip let's the group as a whole reset.

That’s what I’m saying.
I got to face it that sometimes people just will never understand when scum is pushing a mislynch like I do.
So as such I got to let the mislynch happen here so other people will look at things like I’m already looking at them as.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.
Idk he is just vibing and making enemies, hard pushing people at random the way scum just don't want to play lol.

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that

disappears out of the blue?

He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said. If i wanted a bottom 3 I'd like tse, mid, spring currently.

It didn’t disappear out of the blue.
Stop fuckin shading.
Based off of the events at EoD to SoD they are more likely Town then scum.
I also feel like your plan was to attack Unwnd to throw blame on me which would have been funny because I’d never kill a scum read as my first Night Kill as scum.
You think your smart but face it.

YOUR NOT

I am a great scum hunter. I found you.
Your just trying to get people to doubt their Town read on me because you really wanna mislynch me lol.
You try so desperately and we no let you win big bad scum.
I hear Math has doubts on his read on me.
Maybe start there Farside.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well tse seems a little too confident in that mid town read. Maybe picketing mid if tse is scum

Lol your trying so hard to mislynch me it’s so obvious to me NGL.
Just wait till it’s obvious to others, then your buddy Starbuck will be spewed scum as well.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your town read on midway just doesnt feel genuine. You say he's locktown to you but your only reasoning is he has a good scum case on you when half the game thinks you're scum too and tone. And I completely disagree with tone anyway. His tone is not suggesting town to me.

We can rig the order where TSE and Midway are the bottom two. I volunteer to be third in that setup. I think TSE might be town just terribly wrong.

If TSE is correct, a midway flip let's the group as a whole reset.

This is ok with me. I've been thinking so hard about how we can give TSE the chain but not Midway and it's just not possible. I don't trust TSE to not give it to Midway even if we get him to promise lol

We can't even let TSE be the 2nd last and have Midway in the bottom two because obviously whoever the other bottom 2 is will get lynched.

The final 2 at this point should

ALWAYS

be me and MidWayBear.
Titus saves me and gets MidWay.
This way you will all understand that scum are manipulating you as MidWay is a Mislynch.
Then Day 3 I’ll hard carry Town to a win if they will actually fuckin let me and follow my lead.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

ngl I don't think he is scum still... which probably says a lot about my willingness to town read people.
Idk he is just vibing and making enemies, hard pushing people at random the way scum just don't want to play lol.

I see that as no town motive.
He scum read unwnd and that

disappears out of the blue?

He holds a scum read with no visible reason on players.
I dont see anything more the trying to get by. I mean he claimed to be a great scum hunter and i dont see it.
Why no pivot after unwnd?
I think your read on him is bad. He looks like he gets to float by while you accept that.

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said. If i wanted a bottom 3 I'd like tse, mid, spring currently.

It didn’t disappear out of the blue.
Stop fuckin shading.
Based off of the events at EoD to SoD they are more likely Town then scum.
I also feel like your plan was to attack Unwnd to throw blame on me which would have been funny because I’d never kill a scum read as my first Night Kill as scum.
You think your smart but face it.

YOUR NOT

I am a great scum hunter. I found you.
Your just trying to get people to doubt their Town read on me because you really wanna mislynch me lol.
You try so desperately and we no let you win big bad scum.
I hear Math has doubts on his read on me.
Maybe start there Farside.

I didn't attack unwnd.
I voted unwnd to be the leader and stated in the quiz pt a town read on him.
Like nothing you stated actually happened.

Oh wait the last person with the chain doesn’t get chain leader?
The quiz team does?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really torn on you TSE. I get the feeling that you're town with really bad reads but I can't possibly see how you read midway so strongly as town from a town perspective

My reads aren’t bad.
Their accurate.

Also you wonder why?
Because I’m not one of those stupid Town that fuckin push mislynches blindly.

Idk if you're grouping me into that or who you're referring to but I'm pushing midway because I think he's scum and I don't think he's a mislynch. I've stopped pushing ABR because I think he's a mislynch now

Assuming Dunn is the scum here and not you.
Can you push to lynch 1 of Starbuck or Farside tomorrow when MidWayBear flips Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well tse seems a little too confident in that mid town read. Maybe picketing mid if tse is scum

Lol your trying so hard to mislynch me it’s so obvious to me NGL.
Just wait till it’s obvious to others, then your buddy Starbuck will be spewed scum as well.

You can keep trying to do your toxic scum game, but i already told you day 1 i wont participate in it.
You are more then welcome to keep making statements that are not true.

Not trying to be toxic I’m just really annoyed at your scum play here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ad hom be damned, are you really this dense? Have you not read how the mechanics work?

Nevermind the mechanics, he's not even reading the game

Nevermind contributing, let’s just make this one random post here about TSE.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NM you asked Pink Ball a Question too.
Your moving up in life.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not trying to be anti town though. Raya’s case on me doesn’t really make sense, and I bet this is another case of group think where

people just randomly sheep on other people without even knowing why.

Then rather than bitching and trying to seek power, tell us who is scum and why.

I mean midway has a point on “Bolded”
I want this answer.
Why does town choose to purposely gamethrow.
Because that’s what Bolded is and what I keep seeing people do.
Fite me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you wanna Sheep someone.
Sheep someone who gets 90% of their reads accurately correct.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lets just decide the team after we pass the chain. I’m not entirely comfortable with far side and raya.

Neither am I but hopefully by your lynch town will realize their mistake.
Either that or lynch me and lose the game.
I’ll leave though before that happens.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

In terms of the next quiz, I'll think it over. I am open to suggestions on the next one.

Me.
Spring.
You.
Pink Ball.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

People don’t trust Math.
I think that’s the issue here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Starbuck and Farside are scum with either Dunn or Raya.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

here's my tldr,

Me
Beeboy

Far

side
TSE
--
Dunn
PBall
Titus
NDmath
Springlullaby
--
Raya
Starbuck
midway


I have too much ambiguous gray and the bottom 3 are not what I consider the team. I think that I'm probably wrong about one of my townreads and then a lot of those grays really need to be sorted out sooner rather than later.

I think that Town read of yours is

Far

off from accurate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well whoever is part of the quiz, we do need to approve it.
I have no desire to be part of the quiz team. Im a bit paranoid at the idea of a scum player that can switch votes theory that was presented.
I feel better about titus play over abr.
Till i see spring lynched I won't feel much satisfaction, unless its tse.
Id say im null on ndmath, feeling null on titus. This is not outside her ability as scum to do but she at least reads like she is sorting people.
Plus something abr said in the game gives me a slight pause.

So you only declined the quiz because I was in it?
Meaning your scared of me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why did you decline the quiz?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why did you decline the quiz?

Because I think your scum and would rather see you lynched.

I thought you believed scum had something to mess with the quiz?

What Spring, Raya and I were going over towards the start of the day was scum had a 1-shot Tamper in order to prevent town from chain getting successful groups. By having more then 1 tamper it becomes stacked against town since 2 guaranteed failures combined with the low odds of getting an all town group makes the mechanic too scum sided.


By running it back if it fails we know the group has scum because they shouldn't have 2 tampers.
Or the group succeeds, we gain the power role + random conf town (the one who gains the PR).

Or scum was in the 1st group. Which is why i think spring is scum still.

I honestly don't think so because they would have known who was getting the chain and the no kill suggests they targeted the BP. Just a theory though I guess

Scum either shot unwnd (would clear scum in theory but the failed attempt still lingers), there is a role that protected someone, or scum didn't shot.
I'm leaning on the second option.

You just contradicted yourself!

Caught Scum

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well whoever is part of the quiz, we do need to approve it.
I have no desire to be part of the quiz team. Im a bit paranoid at the idea of a scum player that can switch votes theory that was presented.
I feel better about titus play over abr.
Till i see spring lynched I won't feel much satisfaction, unless its tse.
Id say im null on ndmath, feeling null on titus. This is not outside her ability as scum to do but she at least reads like she is sorting people.
Plus something abr said in the game gives me a slight pause.

So you only declined the quiz because I was in it?

No

Caught Scum!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also for the team I'm happiest with a team that doesnt include Midway, TSE (because then we would have to give him the chain and then midway would get it), ND, or Spring.

I'd be happiest seeing Unwnd, Farside, Bee (if Unwnd wants to use his role for that), PB, StarBuck.

Are you like brain dead?

Assuming I get chosen for the team.
Midway is already dead and flipped.
When they flip Town you vote me as Chain Leader.
Simple.
Do it or your scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I already caught Farside.
Who else I need to catch.


I’m looking at you Starbuck!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

no, I am NOT dying today

This is the only way Town actually fuckin gets their brain on the right track.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

yuck about raya or unwnd?

The fact you didn’t realize that Titus was trying to discredit your entire Post.
Is proof once again, your tone Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Titus
@unwnd

Look at what I posted about Farside.

Don’t you think that’s a scum slip?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unwnd in particular looks prime scum suspect to capitalize on wrong TSE's theories.

How many games have you played in where you scum sided as Town?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, do you realize that midwaybear is pocketing you, right?

Do you realize that he’s the lynch anyway today and if he flips Town like I know he will you will all realize I’m right.
You know what how about this.

Make the Team.
Me. Pink Ball. Unwnd and Farside.

Yes Farside will fail the quiz because they are scum however upon Midwaybear’s Town flip.
They have to vote me as Chain Leader or they are Open Wolfing.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Titus
@unwnd

Look at what I posted about Farside.

Don’t you think that’s a scum slip?

No. I don't. I think you're making mountains out of molehills and unwnd just kissed your ass for doing scum's job for them.

Ok then.
What do you think of the Contradiction then?
Share your thoughts with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

There is one scum between Raya/Farside/Starbuck/Spring/Dunn who were all on the quiz

You just speculated that two scum could be in R/F/Starbuck. Now, you seem certain there's only one.

There's nothing preventing scum from being in Spring/Dunn.

I love how Town are a bunch of idiots that don’t understand what people actually mean when they say “1”.
No one

EVER

means just one.
They would say something like everyone’s town except one on this wagon or there is exactly 1.
When someone says “1” they are actually saying “

At Least 1 scum

”

Don’t be a dumb dumb people!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like I suppose people don’t understand because this is text based.

But I think for now one people have to go a Minimum of 1.
For people to actually understand it.
You need to add something like that.
That’s what I’ve learnt.
I got miss pushed because people seem to not understand the meaning of it.
So I explain it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

On the topic of the quiz team I shouldn't get chain leader today.

Scum are going to shoot unwnd tonight to finish the deed they failed. If they shoot me tonight instead of unwnd, unwnd's can't be back to back chain leader timer expires which keeps him alive longer.

Basically I think by not giving me chain leader it keeps one of (me/unwnd) alive for a longer period of the game.

But don’t you auto fail the quiz?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Meaning your scared of me?

Tse you had 2 questions you asked in your quote. This was the one i was saying no too.

But you keep throwing shit on the wall. You have beeboy convinced your town.
Good job.

Why focus on that when that question was just a response to the other question regarding you being scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Bruh is having weak reads really scum-indicative? Maybe I'm actually uncertain. Why else do you SR me?
pedit: can you pull up some examples where I did that? I'll try to explain what I was thinking.

I'll respond to this tonight when I have my laptop. don't let me forget

Also for the team I'm happiest with a team that doesnt include Midway, TSE (because then we would have to give him the chain and then midway would get it), ND, or Spring.

I'd be happiest seeing Unwnd, Farside, Bee (if Unwnd wants to use his role for that), PB, StarBuck.

Are you like brain dead?

Assuming I get chosen for the team.
Midway is already dead and flipped.
When they flip Town you vote me as Chain Leader.
Simple.
Do it or your scum.

I'm fine with you on the quiz. But then we need to give you the chain which means you'll immediately give it to midway. Unless you've changed your mind on that and will let us put midway in the bottom 2.

actually she seems townie now...
I'm still semi-confident that scum is in this pool of six(five)
{Titus, raya, farside, dunn, ND}. I don't really think Pink Ball is likely to be scum anymore because of the reaction test. I disagree with farside that it felt fake. Also, his feelings about being pressured to solve seem legit.

I seem townie now or is that referring to someone else?

ARE PEOPLE NOT FUCKIN READING!?!?

For the last time.
Midway is dead and flips when I become Chain Leader.
When I become Chain Leader, Farside dies because they are scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Meaning your scared of me?

Tse you had 2 questions you asked in your quote. This was the one i was saying no too.

But you keep throwing shit on the wall. You have beeboy convinced your town.
Good job.

Why focus on that when that question was just a response to the other question regarding you being scum.

Because your first question was something i already stated in thread.

How about this.
We lynch you if your town i accept my lynch.
That is the only way anyone should accept.
You saying mid is town can come from scum.
I dont trust anyone hear to follow my scum read of you.
Your in the bottom. Lynch you, profit.

Your either scum or you gotta learn how to not be so Anti-Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

mmm
I honestly don't really like the deals where someone says "we lynch [player] and if I'm wrong, you guys can lynch me" because it's super hard tunneling and the other person manages to talk their way out of it the next day.

TSE is basically saying once your dead he should be chain leader. What's the difference and he is super confident in you flipping town.

I knew that would be pointed out.
Scum would say “oh your still scum, scum can still do that!”
Dude your fuckin basic.
That’s such a basic mafia move LMAO.

I’m trying to get everyone to realize I’m right before you and your mafia buddies win.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Meaning your scared of me?

Tse you had 2 questions you asked in your quote. This was the one i was saying no too.

But you keep throwing shit on the wall. You have beeboy convinced your town.
Good job.

Why focus on that when that question was just a response to the other question regarding you being scum.

Because your first question was something i already stated in thread.

How about this.
We lynch you if your town i accept my lynch.
That is the only way anyone should accept.
You saying mid is town can come from scum.
I dont trust anyone hear to follow my scum read of you.
Your in the bottom. Lynch you, profit.

Your either scum or you gotta learn how to not be so Anti-Town.

Not anti-town. I don't see anything town from you. You basically just throw out the same thing over and over without a reason and call something scummy that isn't.
You called yourself a good scum hunter, but you basically called out players who call you scum.
And the last straw is you making something a scum tell that isn't.
Oh and a super confident town read on Mid? When most scum read a player is classic scum tell 101.

But hey thanks for reminding me why i left MS for the time I did. You have brought back many, many unpleasant memories for me.

What’s a town game of yours?
So I can see that one compared to this one.
I want to see if it’s your Playstyle or I’m right and your just plain out scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think Farside also slipped Scum with exactly Starbuck.

I remember Starbuck scum reading Spring.
I don’t think I remember Farside saying they do they just said they wanted them lynched randomly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I fail to understand what you're doing but you're at least more active than NDmath, what are your thoughts right now?

Or just say nothing that's cool too

Hi. I'd like to hear what you think about the next quiz group, I think we should sort that out asap.

I think there's scum in Raya/Starbuck, leaning Raya. I think Spring is town. I'm not sure on Midway, not really scumreading him. Titus looks like Scum.

When I asked Pink Ball if he was approving or denying the quiz he gave me a nonanswer which is kind of sus, though the post was fine

So my guess is your the scum with Starbuck and Farside.

I mean I think we either lynch you today and get rid of a scum or lynch Midway today to help town get on the right track and actually lynch the real scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And my bad, 4 days. I guess that isn't enough time to realize that SirCakez hasn't died. Why isn't that guy posting or getting prodded, by the way?

Fair enough

@TSE why are you ok with my lynch? That's not right. Even if I die and flip town, people aren't going to start listening to you

If they don’t they are playing against their Wincon.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sigh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So even though I'm not on this quiz team, and I'm voting against it, I'm going to be blamed for it failing? That's a classic

Name 6 People you would like on the quiz team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I really want someone to link me Farside’s Town game in case they are just normally Anti-Town and I’m just looking at them wrong.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^^ This is weird. Like I "don't forget that one thing I did, guys"

Ok Star I’ll make a deal with you.
If Midway in some way flips Scum, I’ll Sheep you for this entire game. (As in do whatever you want me to since voting is different)
If Midway is Town. You have to try and lynch Farside with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spring I firmly believe Starbuck rolled town this game and you are wasting your time right now.
I don't think this 1v1 is doing you any favors until much later into the game if you 2 are still left alive.

Our thread lacks clear focus right now because of the incredibly aggressive 1v1s that keep forming every single day phase (unwnd/TSE and now you/starbuck)

Please just step back so we can win this game and catch the other 2 scum if I am wrong?
Yes Yes

Not to mention Farside seems to have thought they were Starbuck and have Spring as a big scum read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean if I’m right and both Star and Far are scum.
This way I’ll make Star help me get rid of Far so that’s a plus.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

My thought process behind that is
TSE-me-pink ball/spring- pink ball/spring - Dunn or titus
Final two should always be Dunn and titus

Could be you and Dunn.
But if you can show others your Town I may be ok with that.
But you’ll need to show others more then me.
I could tell your Town by your tone.
But others can’t see it and they are watching your every move like a guard dog.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If your still there Farside.
Can I please have a name of a game you played where you were Town in.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Farside
When I have time I’ll look into those games of yours.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can we leave midway for bottom 2?

I'd hope but that's not going to happen unless TSE left out too.

Like I said, I was fucked.

I am using this time as a gigantic last will.

Nah I’d still make pink Ball the decider regardless.
You and Midway is fine.
It’ll still be Midway lynched regardless with the attitude this game has shown.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, I'm sorta fed up with you being so complacent

I’m fed up with people not actually accusing the actual scum but what are you gonna do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Rawr

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^Look at that wall and tell me it's not pure OMGUS + bullshit.
It's been a pattern of hers.

1) My biggest disagreement with her play is how obvious unwnd was town at the end of day 1. The claim really sucked at that point, and there like a flower, she was saying that it was absolutely clear unwnd was town.
2) Look at farside change of heart about ABR, she was all "ABR is scum" when there was zero chance of ABR being lynched, but today she transitioned into Titus must be town for no tangible reason whatsoever.

Anyway, @ TSE, have you read that I want Pink Ball and Titus as bottom 2? Do you have a comment?

Ok but like it isn’t going to help people get a solve on Midway unless one of PB/Titus is scum.
If your sure about it I’ll do it but like I still feel it will just hurt us in the long run if neither of the remaining players are scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unfortunate that mafia got a JOAT...

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday.

I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team

after not before

passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.
I also disagree with the Raya scumreads. I think a lot of people have been saying that she makes the "safe" reads which I don't exactly agree with. She was townreading Cakez before he became obv town, and I can't really see any necessarily "safe" reads.

when you vote someone for chain leader, they become BP. Scum know this. They did NOT try to kill unwnd.

Unless there was no scum in the neighborhood but it failed because ____? Power roles

Is it really likely there's a PR that allows scum to fail a quiz without even having to be on it? That seems to overpowered to me because not only does it gain scum an advantage but it also causes a lot of town confusion and makes us believe someone on the quiz is scum.

I'm honestly gonna just go with scum is on the quiz

I like this quote because some people(like Dunnstral and beeboy) were trying to suggest that scum were outside the quiz team. That's super unlikely, and suggesting that seems more scum motivated than town motivated.

@Pink Ball. Yesterday, you said that I was scum upon a SirCakez scum flip.
Also, we don't really know that beeboy is town, so I do not really support him on the quiz team. unwnd is safely conf town though.
I think the quiz team should be me, unwnd, farside, Raya

why farside and starbuck?

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

how am I following an agenda? unwnd has been pretty helpful and anti-town. I prefer having her lynched over Cakez
the flight or fight is interesting
I was reading a MU Champs game, and scum went inactive as they were caught (season 7 game 6)

i guess unwnd can change beeboy's quiz once, but that doesn't seem that useful.
I prefer keeping cakez
TSE is probably scum now

But I chose Unwnd since I think he's town and we would gain a lot more info from him than we would giving it to Beeboy who was the alternative option.

What do you mean by this? Was his reaction EOD not enough to convince you he’s town?

Anyways, Raya is making me reconsider, so the only person I’m comfortable “recycling” would be farside. Remaining 3 can be me, unwnd, ND.

I think PB is fine too because of the reaction test.
@Raya We’re not going with the same group because then we’re going to fail again. Sure there might be a tamperer, but it’s still too risky
@Dunn so what

If you guys really don’t want me, then it can be {unwnd, Farside, PB, ND}
Pedit: ...

yeah, let's decide the team after handing the chain. The current team doesn't really seem appealing, and unwnd's reasoning for it is iffy.

Deny team

Why is everybody just ignoring how SCUMMY ABR was?
What has Titus done to make you all reconsider?
pedit: how coincidental. most of what I remember from your posts here is you explaining why ABR is bad

actually she seems townie now...
I'm still semi-confident that scum is in this pool of six(five)
{Titus, raya, farside, dunn, ND}. I don't really think Pink Ball is likely to be scum anymore because of the reaction test. I disagree with farside that it felt fake. Also, his feelings about being pressured to solve seem legit.

I don't think people read this stuff but here is the quotes I pulled from Mid where he changes his reads and many, many times never explains his scum reads.

The first one was day 1. He said he was going to give SB the chain and then has a sudden unsure I changed my mind 10 minutes later. According to mid it was on reread, but he never says what changed his mind.
Another quote in the mix he talks about ABR and most of his comments ABR is a positive comment, I put that in bold above what he said.
Fast forward to today and he basically is agreeing with everyone about anyone that is scum. I haven't seen Mid really stick with a scum read or say why. At one point he had a town read on me that just vanished for no reason and seriously after his "suspicion" of me yesterday I don't see where he started to town read me at all.
I don't even know why he didn't like the team when he didn't state a scum read on any of the ones in the quiz from the first one (which at that time was NDMath, Unwnd, TSE and PB.)
Basically all I see from mid is following others and blending in without stating why or sticking with a scum read without following someone else.

I’ll feel you right now the first parts a lie.
That reread was today (Day 2) I’m pretty sure.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I want cases from both Titus and Pink Ball. (Even though I think both of you are Town)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE if I am wrong on Titus I'll give the chain to whoever you want tomorrow no questions asked. (I am one to honor this)
If you think they are both town then you have no reason to not.

This expires if TSE doesn't do it in his following post.

VOTE: PinkBall

Done Deal.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Meh, I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion in the past. My town read comes off scummy most of the time. I'm used to it.

Okay I'll bite for a moment.
I expected from the sign up for this game you would be more excited to play and be a bit more bubbly in your posting. Instead you came into it like someone pissed in your cherrios and hated everything this game represented.
That was exactly how I read your start. No hey, no good humor. And since then you where defensive, OMGUS and to top it off your reads are basically not saying much.
Lets review.

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

Cakez - mmmm ok I kind of glossed over the back and forth but I recall he called you out for throwing shade on Beeboy, which is how I read the post too by the way, and therefore wking him? (I'm going to come back to this in a larger format soon)
TSE - that is vague
farside - fence sitting
beeboy - trending carefully on that read
and the rest (all on gilligans island!)
So in short all that and you have 1 scum read and few town reads. Not to mention the excuses I read are killing me inside.
The "it's been so long since I played a game of mafia" and "trying to get my foot into the game", the "struggling to get a read in the game".
That is literally scum claiming 102 in my world.

I think Raya believes what they are saying. Farside you have solid points about the reads themselves and they aren't particularly reads I would back up but I also think Raya stand by what she is saying. I also don't particularly see inconsistencies with how she is approaching the game which is more what I tend to look for when I try and identify people with bad reads.

I could be wrong here but I do think she is town.

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Most players town or scum can believe what they are saying. After catching up I'm thinking Raya was trying to pocket unwnd because that town read and reasoning looks like shit.
And that was the most pleasant way I would say that.

God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

I used to be a lot worse and more bitchy. This is pretty tame for me and there were a few times I didn't say anything because it would have just been me telling someone off more then playing the game.

I’m going to keep this to look at Interaction wise.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Even if Farside is Mafia I doubt they are going to instantly pass it to Starbuck.
That would be a bold move that may end up being considered an open wolf.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm happy that the quiz passed but I'm just going to say that I proxy'd someone in the quiz last night so either

1) It was right
2) They were passing anyways

Is one of their names Farside or Starbuck by any chance?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

In no way should Starbuck be a Town read nor do I understand how they are a townread.
Cake scum read them.

@Farside I want your full read on Starbuck in full detail.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

In no way should Starbuck be a Town read nor do I understand how they are a townread.
Cake scum read them.

@Farside I want your full read on Starbuck in full detail.

Look at Raya's role and what he was doing day 2

I’m trying to get more of a view on Farside so I’d like them to do as I ask.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

In no way should Starbuck be a Town read nor do I understand how they are a townread.
Cake scum read them.

@Farside I want your full read on Starbuck in full detail.

No.

You haven't present a case on anyone so bite me.

Then as far as I’m concerned your scum with Starbuck and if Starbuck flips Scum I’m death tunnelling you.
Just so you know.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I think Beeboy should be on the hurt for slight paranoia. As the numbers go down and I see townflips, I'm not really inclined to believe I just really know what's going on. I still think Beeboy is mostly(?) fine but where we put him in this position is that scum either sacs the negative utility for us or they prove a tell elsewhere. I've seen TSE be a very controversial topic as well despite somehow getting the chain everytime. He was also pivotal in getting Titus lynched.

I mean I did say Midway was an option but majority wanted Titus gone.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also notice how both ABR and Cake both scum read Starbuck and both are dead.
Hmm.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Explain to me how people actually Town read Starbuck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What do you think of:
You + Unwnd + NDmath for the quiz group

I wanna butt In here and say as long as Farside doesn’t Choose Starbuck.
I’m down.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What about this: Spring/Dunn bottom 2.
Force scum to shot TSE/Mid/SB

Notice the resistance here.
No reason for Farside to defend Starbuck here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unwnd might be fooling me here.
But I’m 100% confident in Starbuck being Scum
I think only one of Farside/Spring could be their partner though. Not both.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Dunn spring needs to flip me before flipping herself because I become conftown after her scum flip. Please please please

I want the F2 to be Spring and Starbuck.
@PB you agree with this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

This town is so dumb.

Except me.
I was kinda dumb to want to lynch you to prove to everyone there going to the wrong direction when I should have realized they would probably still just ignore me anyway.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So yes, I believe I protected the player that was to be shot that night.
I'd rather not say who.

And this town is letting that slip by.

Wtf. There is no reason for a real doctor to not out target.

True the mafia should know so I don't see why it remains a secret?

I protected beeboy.

So

HURT: Starbuck, TSE, midwaybear

HURT: Starbuck, TSE, midwaybear

VOTE: pinkball
Please pass to star as i don't trust many will.

If you could keep the order and be the one to push thing I'd appreciate it. I have been fighting some really hard days this week and I am really need to step back for a few days.

Do you honestly believe I’m scum with Starbuck?
Farside has a greater chance for that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m VT
Thought I softed it Day 1.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

if we mislynch today, tomorrow is lylo

scumslip
we are at 7:3 right now, so mislynch means we move on to 5:3. Dunnstral must know that scum have a vig ability in the JOAT for us to enter LYLO.
ez

5:3 is lylo in this setup. Town have to lynch every day.

Starbuck is the optimal lynch.
Funny enough Farside townread Starbuck But has them in their scum team LMAO

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m telling you all that Mid’s Town.
And I’m usually the kind of guy to Buss my teammates.
Farside is the type of gal to always no matter what defend their scum buddy as long as Farside likes them as a person.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

also i strongly believe sping/tse is two town for some reason against all reasonable evidence
the vt claims are spring, pink ball, tse, starbuck, me
is 3 scum really all here?

No.
Farside is scum with Starbuck.
That’s why it’s not all here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And I’ve been saying this since fuckin EoD of Day 1!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

let's flip starbuck honestly
not sure about farside yet. It seems like farside has flip flopped on starbuck A LOT

That’s probably how Farside treats their scum buddy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

openwolving
starbuck+PB+someone esle

Farside.
Why do you think they gave it to PB.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Approve quiz team

i reread and unwnd still seems town to me, so ...

Only way they are ever scum is with Farside and Starbuck.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Doesn’t matter though.
If PB is Town they ruined are chance to lynch scum today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ur legit throwing if ur town
x100

pedit: I SURE WISH I WAS SCUM

PB I think usually makes plays like this when they are irritated.
PB becomes Anti-Town upon being irritated.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m mean I won’t leave on you guys.
But if you expect me to have fun in this game.
Please lynch at least 1 of the scum in Starbuck/Farside.
That way it becomes more clear.
Now the only way we get scum is if it’s Unwnd with SB and Far.
Yet their react at EoD Day 1 doesn’t make me believe that’s the case.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Makes me wish I chose PB over Titus.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

To eliminate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although Titus can also be Anti-Town so meh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well you guys haven’t lynch any of my scum Reads yet.
So that’s kinda dumb.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If I do become lynched, please remember the following and never forget it.

Always lynch Starbuck before Pink Ball.
No exceptions.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well from a scum NDmath standpoint, I'm better kept alive at least one more day because because of the axis of people wanting my lynch.
Though I just thought that unwnd being scum infect the chain passers too.

I flip town = PB+unwnd+farside/starbuck taking a hit, and at least one of them is town.

It’s PB Farside Starbuck or Unwnd Farside Starbuck.

I think it’s more likely Unwnd based upon their sudden switch on me.
However what makes me doubt this is EoD Day 1.
I’m not sure how good at acting they are.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Unwnd
Can you give me the deciding vote?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I can choose out of the last 2.
I should have chosen PB yesterday after they stated they wanted Titus to live over them.
Beeboy convinces me otherwise but Farside became Chain Leader.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thing is I don’t think Farside actually Scum reads me.
From what I’ve been reading they just seem to really hate my Playstyle.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although it’s possible they consider that alignment indicative which is dumb but eh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Farside is scum or really dumb. Since I don't remember them being really dumb, she is scum.

Unless they are the type of Town Playstyle to go against town and defend and work with scum then yeah Farside is scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I find it funny how everyone that died called Starbuck Scum.
Looks like that isn’t changing lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Im going to read that over but before i do. My concern isnt you as much as tse. I think he would save spring over mid. As i stated those 2 are my stronger scum reads.
Ive been banging my head with what makes sense as 3rd scum member and its hard to see. I put sb and mid together mostly due to the vt claim.

Lol your such a meanie.
Mid’s been my top Town this entire game.
I wouldn’t switch that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, if i give you the chain are you saving midway or Spring?

I’m saving the one I Tone read as Town that I was defending hard.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I wish you both would stop being so ridiculous when it comes to me.

You didn’t seem to be so concerned with ABR and Sircakez and what’s this?
Huh?
What’s this?

They are dead

Oh my! What a shocker Starbuck!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Crap I meant to use spoiler not crossout.
Smh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I love how Farside Scum Read MidWay before and now trying to pocket them lol

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I feel slightly afraid to mention another scumread because said person will instantly lock onto it and the thread will be about them.

This is either me or TSE. I'm calling it.

Why mention me over Spring or Midway?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NDMath, help meee

I'd say pass TSE the chain and then pat yourself on the back for a chain well passed.

Spring/pinkball should be t/s because of the neighborhood.
Spring/starbuck should be t/s because of n1 quiz + interaction.

So it's a good hang regardless of flip.

You may have the lowest amount of posts in this game EVEN AFTER THE MOD, but this is why I have a TR on you. Please don't let me down in the quiz, ND.

Yeah Spring and Starbuck are scum together.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I feel slightly afraid to mention another scumread because said person will instantly lock onto it and the thread will be about them.

This is either me or TSE. I'm calling it.

Why mention me over Spring or Midway?

Because he said "another scumread" and he already talked about his scumread on spring?

Seriously dude you have to read before say shit

Sorry I have trouble with that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

nd if the neighborhood is always t/s, then wouldn't the town player already know one scum?

So your defending this because you believe Spring is Town?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE do you think midway should pass you the chain or spring?

I think he should give it to me so I live.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Plus whatever Spring flips we got allot more information to go off of then me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow that was some bad reads by everyone. I think Dunn was the only one that pinged me that entire game. I didn't think about the mason claim at all being fake, which in hindsite I probably should have thought about all the claims but got tunneled.
Glad I was right about SB, PB, BB and titus in the end.

Agreed.
Sorry about my tunnel on you and Starbuck.

I’m honestly shocked.
I had Unwnd as Lock scum until their major performance at EoD that made me do a complete 180.
GJ on Dunn and Math on the Masons Fake Claim.
Math would have had me at LYLO if it was with someone like Farside or PinkBall.
(Starbuck would have never made it to LYLO)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I knew Midwaybear was Town based on his tone.
Surprisingly it was Town (Farside and Starbuck) that was trying to manipulate the town into thinking he was scum along with Spring.
It’s like Mafia didn’t even have to manipulate this game lol.

Town kinda played themselves.

I should have kept tunnelling Unwnd Tbh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Imagine if Pink Ball chose Unwnd over SirCakez to get rid of.

The game would have went so much different.

(Still would have been tunneling Starbuck and Farside though lol)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow that was some bad reads by everyone. I think Dunn was the only one that pinged me that entire game. I didn't think about the mason claim at all being fake, which in hindsite I probably should have thought about all the claims but got tunneled.
Glad I was right about SB, PB, BB and titus in the end.

Agreed.
Sorry about my tunnel on you and Starbuck.

I’m honestly shocked.
I had Unwnd as Lock scum until their major performance at EoD that made me do a complete 180.
GJ on Dunn and Math on the Masons Fake Claim.
Math would have had me at LYLO if it was with someone like Farside or PinkBall.
(Starbuck would have never made it to LYLO)

Tbf i thoight you push on unwn was really hard to follow. I felt like you were over reaching as well. After that you never explained any of your scum reads and just seemed to not want to engage at all.
I don't understand that play type.
It doesn't help sort players and it doesn't read like scum hunting. This game was in desperate need of better communication and less trolling shit post....or whatever you call it.

I just really have trouble making my cases convincing.
I think it’s convincing, but others don’t.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

sorta scared you can read me so well

I can read Tone if it’s blatant to me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fighting everyone is anti-town too lol

No it isn’t.
That’s standing your ground.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lol, you being stupid in a game is an insult to your intelligence.
You were dumbasses and tools manipulated by scum this game.

YOU SUCKED. OWN UP TO IT.

Calm Down Ladies.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lol, you being stupid in a game is an insult to your intelligence.
You were dumbasses and tools manipulated by scum this game.

YOU SUCKED. OWN UP TO IT.

Calm Down Ladies.

Go to you corner, you didn't do much this game either.

Least I Hard pushed scum at some point in this game.