TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Ausuka]

k

[Ausuka]

Hi

Mhm i can believe koba is scum here mhm

Did anyone get my fruit

[Ausuka]

I hope koba is a roleblocker and they actually used their roleblocks on two fruit vendors. That would be funny

[Ausuka]

Jeez how many roleblockers do we have around

[Ausuka]

koba, too, was tragically roleblocked

(Tbh the babysitter thing never seemed like a real claim from the start because I don't think you ever like, claim like that as a role where scum can kill two people by killing you)

[Ausuka]

I don't really believe that koba has a multitasking on there as town

If you do shrug we got trolled I guess the mod got us, but I think the chances of a scum flip rise enough where it's very difficult to justify any other course of action.

[Ausuka]

Solving via mech is cringe

This is like the equivalent of claiming miller after getting guiltied by a cop and then saying it's cringe to solve by mechanics

[Ausuka]

K but I literally have a useful role and confirmed Mala did u not notice I stopped pushing Mala after I saw she confirmed her role existed + the parallel with your role?

Ok but like I appreciate it's not literally impossible for you to be multitasking for absolutely zero practical purpose, but it's improbable enough that I don't think leaving you alive is justifiable. If you are actually town then rip I guess.

I don't think the parallel with me and mala is meaningful or alignment indicative. Mafia fruit vendor is something i've seen decently often. We could be both town or we could not be. It's just a nothing role

For example, yes i targeted shirou last night, I don't think we learned anything. I could have used it to claim disloyal fruit vendor, and if he was still pushing me like he was on d1 it could even have been funny, but i don't think it'd be a very good idea

[Ausuka]

Mastina why do you exist

[Ausuka]

Freedom do you have like reads and stuff at this point

[Ausuka]

Hmmmm

It's more difficult than I thought to play like this with an obvious suspect and not yet having like actual confirmation of their alignment

I asked this in the hood but i should probably ask here too, does anyone have like elaboration on the DGB meta

[Ausuka]

I'd definitely like freedom to like give reads and do stuff that is readable but idk if that's on the cards

[Ausuka]

yeah I played a fairly recent mini normal where he did the same thing as town

But i can't imagine he would behave differently as scum either so shrug. I'd like him to elaborate more on the DV read and give other thoughts on the game, as I said earlier - his justification for the DV read was something that happened after he made the read

[Ausuka]

I think hypothetically it is very useful to have discussion today but if enough people decide they just wanna say koba is scum and do nothing else it does become antitown pretty quickly

[Ausuka]

but if enough people decide they just wanna say koba is scum and do nothing else it does become antitown pretty quickly

How is it antitown Ausuka?

If Koba flips scum we can look back to what they said today and how other slots reacted to the guilty, and if they ever flip town for some miraculous mod troll, we can also look back to today.

Even if we kept mostly thumb twiddling for another week I think that would still be pro-town because more content no matter how small it is, is always better in this somewhat inactive game I think.

I think the unique argument for it to be anti-town is because it could generate "apathy" but really, a red flip would surely get us more motivated again in the next day anyway. A town flip even more considering how shocking it would be.
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shrug i see what you're saying i think but i think apathy/'twiddling your thumbs' is likely to just lower energy levels for the town even more

I also just think koba's posting today is likely to be calculated to screw with us if they're scum and i am not particularly inclined to read into it

[Ausuka]

oops

I think it's obvious which part i wrote

[Ausuka]

i don't really have an issue 'finding koba partners' or whatever - i think they can be being bussed, today but also in general even in the early game scum tend to bus p often

I probably need to re-evaluate xoffy

[Ausuka]

i don't really have an issue 'finding koba partners' or whatever - i think they can be being bussed, today but also in general even in the early game scum tend to bus p often

I probably need to re-evaluate xoffy

Ok who is bussing me then?

if i knew the game would already be over

Could be freedom or dgb

[Ausuka]

who knows what's going on with the mala "dgb is town" thing

given she got roleblocked it might be the same kind of analysis that made her want to kill me with fire but maybe it's a real innocent somehow

idk if i can really talk about what we have out there productively especially since zero people have elaborated on the meta beyond just 'meta'

[Ausuka]

im very tempted to just hammer

[Ausuka]

Nah I'm just going to make you wait a week

Have fun

[Ausuka]

I'm not changing my claim

[Ausuka]

I also have thoughts but it feels like it might be prudent to save them for after we all claim

[Ausuka]

Shirou was roleblocked by dgb

[Ausuka]

If the team is koba xofelf and deasvail I am going to cry and then stop playing mafia forever

[Ausuka]

I think dgb is pretty unlikely to be scum here

I guess we need mastina to check them, because it would make more sense if they also have a better gate than just 'lazy' but it seems unlikely mafia have two roleblockers

I do think xofelf is just scum here but i want to think about it more / reread the hood

[Ausuka]

Shirou if scum is an announcing doctor i think

That would be a massive troll role, but if i'm considering a 3 scum/1 town hood i gotta consider that too

[Ausuka]

I think scum are probably being mostly honest about their roles

I think xofelf's claim and timing, with like, their approach to koba looks bad - like it doesn't feel like there is much reason to claim there and it looks performative, like 'hi yes I am guiltying koba too I want to join the fun'. I like xoffy and we were in the hood together and they targeted me with their loud n1 and i think i was probably like... overly favourable to their play before, but their posts in thread are pretty underwhelming - for example on d3 they didn't really like do discussion and solving despite saying we shouldn't hammer koba early for that reason, only to then claim a second guilty on koba and vote.

Looking back in their iso in the hood, I think there was a kind of strange interaction where they said i was town cos my role is confirmable so they don't need to worry about me, I say something along the lines of 'I don't think fruit vendor is a town-only role' at which point they are just like 'well idk, it would confirm the role-claim is accurate, and I think you won't be difficult to sort' (paraphrased, obviously) - in hindsight it does kinda feel like they knew I was town and wanted me in their devious foxy pockets.

In most circumstances, i usually don't try to solve for balance. There are situations where things are blatantly believable or not, but there's also a decently wide range of things that nrg reviewers can pass. The last normal game I played, I thought it was really scumsided, and when Datisi saw he agreed, but two normal reviewers decided it was passable.

[Ausuka]

I don't think dv is like, confirmed town or anything, but i'm not super feeling a lim on him especially

[Ausuka]

(i'm open to hearing thoughts otherwise obvs, i feel like i've kinda sucked ass this game)

[Ausuka]

Did anyone get my fruit

I did

[Ausuka]

We have a role cop, a role watcher, and also shirou is claiming to be announcing, which means if he's lying it should become like super duper obvious and just generally I think scum are true-claiming here unless they have a role that just can't be claimed. I think he is genuinely an announcing doctor, and that most likely means he was genuinely roleblocked on night 2 as far as i can tell? Maybe i need to think about it more, but someone should have got that notification if Koba didn't actually roleblock him.

[Ausuka]

It sort of seems like an edge case admittedly, but shirou, did you make a PR soft in the hood? (or one in the thread I missed I guess)

[Ausuka]

We have a role cop, a role watcher, and also shirou is claiming to be announcing, which means if he's lying it should become like super duper obvious and just generally I think scum are true-claiming here unless they have a role that just can't be claimed. I think he is genuinely an announcing doctor, and that most likely means he was genuinely roleblocked on night 2 as far as i can tell? Maybe i need to think about it more, but someone should have got that notification if Koba didn't actually roleblock him.

Consider: scum need someone to make the nightkill.

Koba had multitasking, so scum didn’t have factional multitasking.

Koba COULD have made the N2 kill, in order to both kill and block, but also could have just blocked, with the killer being a non-multitasking partner.

If Shirou's claim is true, then you also have to keep in mind that there’s liability to be had in actions. (This isn’t Shirou-specific, part ofbmy deep dive will be seeing if people's claimed actions match up with their play.)

If Shirou gave away being a doctor too soon, then Shirou would need to justify not being on the scum's nightkill of choice.

(Idle thought; compulsive disloyal announcing doctor?)

But none of this is definitive.

I think that it’s worth investigating tho.

I mean, we have xofelf's claim as corroborating evidence, and it seems unlikely they're specifically lying to protect Shirou or something. It also just seems sensible to me that they would send Koba to do the kill since they had just quickhammered and it seems like they were considered expendable by the scumteam at that time.

I don't really think I can see myself voting for shirou today

[Ausuka]

Ok my crack theory is like, did scum know shirou was a PR or something? Cos like

On n1 and n3 dgb targets shirou, the only night they don't is n2, when koba claims to have roleblocked shirou

And it's not super clear to me *why* DGB roleblocks DV, someone they had like very little indication of scumreading, over koba who we know in hindsight from xoffy's claim probably *did* make the nightkill on n2, unless scum have a ninja or xoffy is scum and decides to lie about this for whatever reason.

Obviously I scumread dgb on play but my reads suck so whatever.

Anyway is it too stupid to suggest scum might have two blockers

[Ausuka]

I think koba was willing to die and that's why they played the day they did. This doesn't make much sense if the team is, like, xofelf and freedom.

It makes much more sense if it's mastina or shirou. I don't know how well koba would co-operrate with either of those two but it's definitely like a possibility? Shea thinks mastina is just scum but I'm less confident about it so I want to pursue this. I think a sensible third option is that koba was banking on their flip clearing DGB off of mechs?

But like unfortunately occam's razor kind of is just that dgb is town and scum don't just have two roleblockers for some reason

[Ausuka]

I'm pretty sure shea has read your iso, he's been pretty engaged throughout the game

He was telling me you were scum sometimes during like the end of d1. He seemed to think you were aggro at both alignments but has been saying ur town more recently

I'll link this post to him anyway and see if he has a comment.

Shea's position on mastina is that he thinks she's being manipulative + likes your points, specifically he was like "if you are a scum role that gets guiltied by a role cop why the fuck wouldn't you roleblock the role cop"

I was basically like, I don't think koba really cared to live, and then shea said "well if you think koba is going down, why not just fake a guilty to get towncred" and I was like "well ok i guess that's possible"

[Ausuka]

This doesn't make much sense if the team is, like, xofelf

and for last, I think it does make some sense if it's xofelf because xofelf did also get a guilty on Koba apparently

I think the way xofelf got a guilty on Koba is much more believable than Mastina however so /shrug

I mean maybe this was the plan but the way the guilty played out was reliant on mastina outing the rolecop claim, so unless the team was like -exactly- mastina/xofelf, the guilty claim was probably decided after that?

Xoffy did have some townreads so like I guess it's ~possible~ but idk

Pedit: I think if koba roleblocks someone else and claim the block on Shirou, that risks inferring that Shirou is scum if that person is like "um hi so I got roleblocked not shirou actually"

[Ausuka]

This is completely unrelated to the game but when I view it on mobile I keep seeing shirou's avatar as nagito komaeda

[Ausuka]

I mean I don't know why my brain does it. Obviously it looks very different if I see the avatar in a form where it has more than 12 pixels

[Ausuka]

Maybe komaeda is just fitting for you

[Ausuka]

The smart money is on the scumteam of dgb and freedom making a surprise comeback

[Ausuka]

brb changing my avatar to spaghetti

[Ausuka]

Maybe dgb is just scum

It doesn't make much sense on setup spec but it makes more sense than anyone else on other mechs and play

[Ausuka]

I mean ultimately the hood has hundreds of posts - it's four times the length of your hood - and many of those posts are walls. Paraphrasing all that with timestamps is going to take a long time. And like, I think most of the stuff in there is just reiterated from what's been said in thread. I could maybe do a more brief summary of important things that happened in the hood, like koba claiming vanilla neighbour on d1 lmao

[Ausuka]

I'm not sure why you think people not doing that is Shirou's fault? I mean not even you have done it yet. It seems kind of forced to say that shirou is 'threatened' by that - like, why is anything happening in the hoods going to necessarily be 'threatening' to shirou and how is making a few multiposts going to actually practically prevent that?

[Ausuka]

Mm so I have had irl stuff but I'm gonna try and get back into this.

Something i was talking about in my team discord is the thought that mastina might be town because of the multitasking modifier being unusual and that it could be meant by a (very few people actually use this modifier I'm pretty sure, they usually just put in the rules that scum are multitasking by default) It does make some more sense if both shirou and DGB are town, since I can see how having both a doc and a jk would make the mod add a multitasking to the RB later in the setup process in order to make the counterplay to both of the protectives more reliable. I guess what I'm trying to say is this probably isn't a massive brain mastina/shirou team or mastina/dgb or whatever.

[Ausuka]

I will do actual posting later but i can do the easy mech stuff now. Announcing means your target gets a PM saying like, "you were targeted by a Doctor". It doesn't give the name of the person who targeted you though.

Also i hope i'm not that grumpy >.>

[Ausuka]

Also xoffy weren't we in a large normal game together where i was scum pretty recently?

[Ausuka]

Ok so, I'm currently thinking eliminating in {freedom, deasvail} is the optimal move because everyone has different roles. This creates a very powerful synergy between shirou and xoffy, where they both either prevent kills or make any kill lead to a 1v1 the next day. Additionally, dgb is a jailkeeper and can stop scum from killing or even protect shirou, and mastina can check that people aren't fakeclaiming. There are definitely, like, scum in this group, don't get me wrong, but scum still have to play with caution to avoid outing themselves.

As DkKoba would say, "solving by mechs is cringe", however I believe sometimes it is necessary to harness cringe for the sake of the town


Full disclosure since i have mostly been talking about this game in discord rather than the actual game thread, DV is probably the more likely vote here, which I wouldn't have done not-so-long ago but his push on shirou for not wanting to get roleblocked gave me bad vibes and also reminded me about the thing with his push on Kowahbungah earlier that I didn't like. Shea and tweetie have also been telling me the scumteam is mastina/deasvail and like they are better at mafia than me. Also like, looking back I think 699 to 701 feels like... I mean, there's nothing there that I think town *wouldn't* write but it's also exactly the sort of post I think scum would write - DV seems very concerned with like joining in the pressure on koba and being opposed to them without joining the wagon there. I think generally, scum like to set themselves up on different 'sides' of debates so ideally every town is townreading at least one scum member.

I'm not going to vote for him right now because freedom is still ???. and i was like "Shea why are you townreading freedom" and he was all "I forgor " I think part of it is he was saying like, arko treated koba differently in his readslist, and he thought scum would be more cautious. I disagreed with that because koba asked for those reads and I think that would lead him to talk about koba first. Maybe i should just reread like the whole arko wagon situation and that would be better than trying to read freedom? I have no idea what freedom's reads are right now

[Ausuka]

his push on shirou for not wanting to get roleblocked gave me bad vibes

I'd be interested to know what you mean by this. Was it the push in general? Or that bit? Because I think that bit was mostly about the general OTT-ness

The push in general has some bad vibes, and I think in this gamestate scum is pretty likely to be pushing shirou, but the bit about getting frustrated didn't feel like that OTT to me and felt like a pretty normal response to getting roleblocked all three nights in a row

[Ausuka]

I am never voting shirou here

VOTE: Deasvail

I was fine keeping my vote open ended because I wanted to pressure freedom into doing things but shirou is freaking out that we have three days left and mechanically limming Mastina over DV without a reaaaaaaaally good reason feels ??? Because if DV or freedom is scum they can do the kill and the watcher isn't that useful because even if xoffy watched the nightkill, we don't know if Xofelf or freedom or deasvail is scum there. I hope that makes sense

I think the two most likely scumteams are DV with Mastina or DV with DGB, although I still feel extremely reluctant to like let freedom live to endgame so hopefully it doesn't come to that or he like gives us reads. I guess it could be like the meme dream of freedom/dgb still

[Ausuka]

Also shirou I understand if you're mad that I didn't do anything for a week but I kind of was going through the wringer a bit I wasn't being lazy on purpose I promise!

I'm not sure I really see the argument that Mastina is to be scum cos Rolecop is a classically scum role tbh.i don't think this game is built to be traditional at all, I think rolecop can easily be a town role here. Honestly part of me just does want to take the easy option and agree with everyone that it's just Mastina here and like there's a good chance it is in fact Mastina, but also a lot of the push on her seems centered around the idea she's playing badly, or frustrated with her play - I see this with my team as well, and I'm not totally convinced this is a result of her not believing what she's saying? I think the most convincing argument to me is still that she didn't get roleblocked or killed at all as a claimed investigative who guiltied scum, which yes that is in fact suspicious. But also like, I do think there is a pretty good possibility that Koba genuinely did not think they were going to get investigated like they said on d3, they probably weren't planning to live to endgame anyways, and like actually being the one who claims the guilty on scum and gets them killed has to like earn her some town points from me in any case. Typically at this point in the game I would probably just be flat out assuming the guilty claim was town and re evaluate if they survive to elo.

Again I acknowledge that Mastina can be scum and I'm not saying she's definitely town but I still have my doubts and I think dv is a better flip if you're still okay with that. And if there are any specific points you want to talk about I'm happy to do that as long as you don't yell at me or anything

[Ausuka]

The mason thing is something I can believe town Mastina would do

I think it's suspicious that she felt that way but apparently stopped caring about it half way through day 1, but I'm sure she'll be in the thread to talk about it soon enough

[Ausuka]

Imo night action should be this

Shirou protects xoffy

Xoffy watched shirou

I target shirou

Dgb uh uses jk offensively against freedom or something?

Idk I get where you guys are coming from but I feel like you're underestimating how powerful a doc and watcher loop can be. It's going to be difficult to match that.

If we want to confirm dgb is what she says, maybe we should just ask Mastina

[Ausuka]

I would also reiterate that if we lim dv or freedom today xofelf does basically become a watcher and should be treated accordingly

[Ausuka]

Roles include mafia claims but they're still probably going to struggle to play around it without implicating themselves

[Ausuka]

I think I'm mostly just really bad at USING team reads in TM. From memory I think the last TM I probably didn't even mention my team at all.

You sure it's not because you're mafia?

I mean we have a DV wagon. it's where all the cool people are. what are your thoughts on that

[Ausuka]

Pedit: I think if koba roleblocks someone else and claim the block on Shirou, that risks inferring that Shirou is scum if that person is like "um hi so I got roleblocked not shirou actually"

You realize only roles producing results know they get blocked, right?
You realize Koba claiming to have blocked Shirou doesn't negatively impact Shirou on D3, right?

Koba was the one who claimed to have blocked Shirou N2. Shirou didn't collaborate that until today.

If Koba blocked someone else, and that player claimed they were blocked instead of Shirou, you know what that does?
It does nothing to incriminate Shirou, it doesn't change Koba's fate, but it DOES lead to...

...That PR being outted on D3.

And note that Shirou didn't claim a role originally today--so Shirou only committed to a claim after it was fairly safe to make that claim.

It does incriminate shirou if koba lied about roleblocking him

[Ausuka]

I'm aware not every role is going to know, but there's often evidence that people get roleblocked, and inherently the people the mafia roleblocker is targeting are probably going to have a higher likelihood of that

[Ausuka]

I understand why people would want to vote out freedom. I am also not a fan of his playstyle and would not want to lose to scum freedom

Nevertheless I think there are scummier players in the game and that he acts this way as town

[Ausuka]

DGB, I've started to TR as I don't see why if they were scum, they would pass over a DV lim to pressure me.

I'm not sure where this read comes from. You say you think DV is scum because his wagon has lots of resistance compared to yours - passing over the debate about if 'resistance' is a sensible way to read people, if you think scum are okay with the wagon on you, why *wouldn't* that include DGB? Why are you giving them a free pass like this?

[Ausuka]

But I also don't know why DGB is voting xofelf...?

I don't know either? I would expect like some more stuff to go along with their vote, considering xoffy is not a popular vote here and they weren't scumreading them until recently

[Ausuka]

I'm around if ppl want to talk about something but not sure what to say?

DV's posting today did give me a mild case of cold feet but after thinking about it i don't really think i have any desire to derail the wagon and put it somewhere else

[Ausuka]

The scumteam is mastina and shirou. I have become enlightened

[Ausuka]

I'm serious until mastina writes a wallpost about the mastina/shirou theory

After that, I am joking

[Ausuka]

Hey if ausuka/shirou gets to be a thing, mastina/shirou should also get to be a thing

It's only fair

[Ausuka]

But my N1 investigation is absolutely proof I'm town because I literally was treating my role like it was a Cop and I fucking used it as if it were one to target a player I've a proven MD article demonstrating...I would target as a Cop.

So you would never follow the article's advice as scum?

[Ausuka]

I don't think it makes sense for it to be meant for the scum pt if arko is scum

The implication is that italiano would flip scum and arko slot would be cleared from that i think

[Ausuka]

if we had an NRG member alive and town who could chime in, they would side with me

Wow if only we had one of those, that would be so convenient

Oh well I guess we'll never know

[Ausuka]

I'll be around, yeah

[Ausuka]

Xoffy is online, too, although they haven't said anything

[Ausuka]

Oh it's fine, i'm a dayvig so I'll just use that if we get too close to deadline

[Ausuka]

(I'll hammer freedom if i need to, yeah)

[Ausuka]

if freedom is town surely dgb does whatever she wants?

It seems unwise to plan that when mafia can just use the other person to kill.

[Ausuka]

Oh I mean i guess there is some value in just targeting deasvail if we think the other mafia might not be multitasking shrug

[Ausuka]

Xoffy is online, too, although they haven't said anything

That's sus , no?

I mean kind of yes?

[Ausuka]

If Freedom is town and I'm not here tomorrow you know who to lim and blah blah blah

I did not feel I had time to check the vote count...

Hasn't dv been at e1 since forever

[Ausuka]

if freedom is town surely dgb does whatever she wants?

It seems unwise to plan that when mafia can just use the other person to kill.

If she targets one of the PRs it means Xof can't see they targeting me on the watch

the VT is the unique role to not break the plan then

Yeah I think i was underthinking it, confirming me as not multitasking does actually matter here and mastina can do that for someone else

[Ausuka]

Shirou i hate to say it but isn't it just dv and dgb

Like do you still think that's unlikely?

[Ausuka]

Ok well i think if freedom is town limming mastina will lose us the game but maybe I can't change your mind

pedit: I have been saying dv/dgb for a while before the flip, and have clearly been advocating for us to lim DeasVail. What even is this argument

[Ausuka]

DV with Mastina or DV with DGB

Hmmm

[Ausuka]

Look at dgb's posts the entire day

Posting solves without DV but saying DV might be scum and expressing willingness to vote DV

But even though DV is a wagon, she wants to vote freedom or xofelf or ANYONE except actually voting for DV

[Ausuka]

Look at dgb's posts the entire day

Posting solves without DV but saying DV might be scum and expressing willingness to vote DV

But even though DV is a wagon, she wants to vote freedom or xofelf or ANYONE except actually voting for DV

you've a point, but I feel okay about DGB turn on her read on me and also...

If DV is scum I think I can't justify myself voting anyone other than DV > Mastina in that exact order

sorry if that loses the game bestie...

You say she's been posting and thinking like scum the entire game but all of that turns on its head as soon as she starts pushing Freedom instead, which is just obviously the better lim to go for if he's town cos like Freedom never does anything

I just don't get it but whatever.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka you sound so sure that Freedom will flip town... do you know something I don't?

I think Freedom will flip town
I already thought that but I think that a lot more after your hammer

[Ausuka]

I already thought DGB's behaviour around DeasVail was suspicious. Shea was a scum Mastina scan and he has been on board the DV/dgb train for a while. Tweety still thinks it's mastina but whatever. The hammer made it 100 times worse. DV has been at e-1 for ages and dgb has been actively refusing to hammer; I don't at all believe she was unaware of the situation

If freedom flips scum yay sure whatever but this is something I'm not waiting to call out

[Ausuka]

Hopefully we just get the MECH CARRY

[Ausuka]

Btw I think the loud rolecop debate is one of the funniest things to come out of this game

I'm not sure why, it just is

[Ausuka]

It's ok I am secretly a combined fruit vendor doctor

I will protect Shirou

[Ausuka]

I think the idea of jailkeeping DV is that the other scum might not be multitasking

Like if I was scum with DV, I would lose the game in that situation. If I wasn't multitasking I can't both fruit vend and kill, and if I was xofelf would see me fruit vending to Shirou as being multitasking which is basically a guilty

[Ausuka]

It also works with Mastina who is.supposed to rolecop shirou

This would help a lot to sort her if you jailkeep.DV and we stick to the plan

Pedit: they can see modifiers. They saw koba's modifiers, yeah?

[Ausuka]

They claimed Role Watcher.

I'm very confident that roles like rolecop and role watcher see modifiers

I wasn't like hallucinating the entire day 3 of this game was I?

[Ausuka]

That's why if DV is jailkept, me and Mastina are basically both alignment checked by the role watcher

We should stick to the plan Shirou made, it's a good one

[Ausuka]

And you're probably going to get wagoned tommorrow once I flip Town.

Eh I was wagoned today too so it's no biggie

deasvail when we lose to the surprise mastina/dgb power team in elo

[Ausuka]

Yeah if ur town here and freedom is too shrug it happens

mafia is a hard game

pedit: No it was a joke

[Ausuka]

First I'm scum for not hammering DV-scum and now I'm scum and DV is town???

No the scumteam is still mastina/shirou

[Ausuka]

I have nothing to report except that I targeted shirou as promised.

I have a sinking feeling i have been very wrong this game. I am waiting to talk to the rest of my team about things.

[Ausuka]

By wrong you think Mastina may be scum?

I think it might be you now honestly.

I mean it would just be an absolutely insane coincidence that mafia decide to kill xoffy, when by all means they should have thought they would be protected, and on the same night you decide to gambit by refusing to follow the plan you made yourself and leave xoffy open to attack. Especially in the world you think we live in where the scumteam is Mastina and DV and they have both a town doctor and jailkeeper to deal with, meaning if there's no kill tonight there's a very real risk of it happening again and town getting a lim ahead.

You're probably going to yell at me for considering this but shrug.

[Ausuka]

this game is hell.and i don't really care that much anymore

just.do whatever and i can go back to not.playing mafia

[Ausuka]

Ausuka if you don't care anymore about the game just vote Mastina then

and if you're scum gg you win it

and if town gg we get rid of one of the scum and the game gets closer to ending

Honestly probably down if my team is ok w it

[Ausuka]

Saying I literally don't care is probably an exaggeration I'm just very tired by all this and it is deeply unfun.

I have thought about the game and talked about it in the discord. My thoughts yesterday were that it's DV and DGB or DV and mastina. I wanted to talk about the events of last night but honestly if Shirou is scum we lose anyway and I don't want to have to deal with him shouting at me for daring to even consider he might be scum when it's probably not going to positively impact our ev at all anyway. I also think that if it's between DGB or Mastina last night doesn't really move the needle for.me.

If DGB is scum she also pretty much wins because Shirou is totally unwilling to consider the possibility so, shrug, I think a Mastina vote is probably playing to my outs here.

[Ausuka]

Ok you know what sure. I'm not super extremely convinced this is a good.idea but doing this probably wins more often than anything else.

VOTE: mastina

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

I'm not saying there is like any significant chance of this happening but it would be so funny if this was a slowroll and now mafia have to wait like a week to end the game

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

I can explain any of my actions if it's helpful since i will be around for a little bit

[Ausuka]

if i was scum with dv couldn't he have just hammered mastina

[Ausuka]

Mastina voted dv, dv didn't vote mastina

[Ausuka]

It's just me and shirou voting, not DV

Also, if it wasn't clear, i don't have any intention of throwing the game on a mastina/dgb theory. If that's the scum team, well done but also wtf is this setup

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Deasvail

I promise i would never hammer mastina

[Ausuka]

If dgb is scum with mastina she can just win now and we save time

Otherwise we have our solve

[Ausuka]

VOTE: mastina

I feel like mastina can't not be scum here but shrug if you're worried i can play along

[Ausuka]

Can we all agree to do fast night

[Ausuka]

Also Shea told me D4 that Mastina was confirmed scum because she mentioned the pool freezing at like 60 degrees Fahrenheit and although I do not use American temperatures apparently that is pretty warm.

I'm sorry Shea I should have listened to water theory

[Ausuka]

Water theory DGB

Believe in the water theory

[Ausuka]

Btw I was scum with shirou. I wanted to quickhammer DV when Mastina voted but Shirou wanted the Mastina lim in order to flex. It worked out in the end though

[Ausuka]

VOTE: deasvail

I'm never coming to any other conclusion here

GG if it really is the meme Mastina/dgb team

[Ausuka]

gg thx pp