Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Marisa Kirisame]

I could maybe see 1931 being townie, I don't think the Ichirin vote is townie at all. They literally voteparked there till the end of the day based on someone else's case,

I don't think a few townie posts should be enough to be activelu townreading them at this point, especially if the pool from your POV after I flip is like 2 scum in Kaguya/Kagerou/Reisen/Yuuka/Dai

If you're taking out Aya/Koishi/Clown

Like to me there really isn't anything to townread, they aren't solving, and they're just kinsa like there

Fair enough. Do note I was the person who was townreading every single slot at one point in day 1.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay so am I going to become known as the deadline flashwagoner cause I'm tempted to flashwagon Reisen or Kagerou now.

[Marisa Kirisame]

@Aya @Koishi @Clown

Thoughts please?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I was Sanae still

wdym?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Anyway I won't be voting any wagon without Clown also voting it

[Marisa Kirisame]

And clown is apparently not voting any wagon without Aya's approval I guess?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm assuming 4098 is approval from Aya though to kill Sanae?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Oh well Sanae I think rationally the only play that won't cause me to spiral into endless paranoia and regret is to flip you today and if you're town then tomorrow everybody is on the same page of you being town and can solve based on that.

[Marisa Kirisame]

But I'm not voting until Clown votes.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also I think I wanna go to sleep early tonight so I'll be leaving you all to get ready to sleep.

[Marisa Kirisame]

...Would Yukari/FF even design a game that could allow for 3 deaths in one night phase?

I know it's already confirmed from Sanae's flip and from Daiyousei's vanishing, but FF told me before the game entered signups that it's going to be a crazy and imbalanced game, so yeah... I thought that was public knowledge.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also I'm sad that I didn't flashwagon someone other than Sanae now.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Fun fact but I almost accidentally softed Clownpiece's ability without knowing it.

Additionally, once the elimination is achieved (including No Elimination), you can choose to change the target of the elimination within 24 hours of the thread lock.

I and Clownpiece are very towny and charismatic and honestly I do think that if the both of us decided to flashwagon anyone (okay, maybe not you), that wagon would go through 90% of the time if we decide to push it through

I almost said "anybody clownpiece and I want limmed would get limmed, period" but then changed the phrasing.

[Marisa Kirisame]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

[Marisa Kirisame]

If Sanae flips town would you look at Kaguya first? Or Dai? Or somebody else?

Yuuka

Clownpiece, aligned with Incident Resolvers, was eliminated Night 2.

VOTE: Yuuka Kazami

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm gonna sleep on the possibility of Yuuka being a PGO

Who is the protective with the inno then?

[Marisa Kirisame]

If we assume I am town (Clownpiece was willing to assume that), and we assume Daiyousei is not going to reappear later, then we win this game by PoE by finding just one more townie. I have a thought on who I think this townie is but that is going to have to wait a bit while I let that thought stew.

Pedit: I'm assuming you're calling Yuuka a PGO because Clown died? But that implies Clown wasn't the NK target.

[Marisa Kirisame]

@Marisa, Just because they say it's going to be crazy doesn't mean it's going to be, you know, *that* crazy. It was a passing thought.

Well I kinda assumed it would be *that* crazy.

[Marisa Kirisame]

VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan

[Marisa Kirisame]

Sure, is that scummy though? your vote lacks... well anything, it's relatively substanceless and I assume that was done on purpose, but should I be engaging you if your approach here is saying, "don't engage me, I'm sheeping?"

I am not voting you for the mech spec? I

am

was voting you because the presumed NK target sussed you and was killed over 2 semi-clears.

[Marisa Kirisame]

The mech spec had no weight. I just felt like pointing it out.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I have a very strong gut feeling it's Kaguya. I am not sure how to explain it unfortunately. I might try later.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Just to be clear, I moved my vote to Kaguya without any connection to the two posts you made prior to 4207. I saw those posts in pedit.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Just to be clear, I moved my vote to Kaguya without any connection to the two posts you made prior to 4207. I saw those posts in pedit.

Okay, so absent any stimulus you just moved your vote because of your internal process.

Yep

[Marisa Kirisame]

I need to go now, will try to explain my process (and probably fail) when I have time.

[Marisa Kirisame]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.

Meaning that I was redirected.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I wanna sleep on this and see how much Marisa being scum makes sense cause she's the only person without a verified Passive

My passive is being in a hood with Sanae, and since Sanae flipped town it's verified I have one.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also I apologize for needing to be prodded, I had a flight and for some mysterious reason I did not think to ask for V/LA (truth is I'd hoped to be able to play from the airport before and after the flight but it didn't really workz out).

[Marisa Kirisame]

Hi Marisa. Plz stick around we need you i you're town.

I'm sticking around.

[Marisa Kirisame]

The fact that Kaguya is trying to solve the game by the existence of passives is ???

Can someone explain to me how have we gotten into this weird situation?

[Marisa Kirisame]

This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive

Whence this information?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Why did you not claim this when I specifically asked you and Reisen to claim the passive disabler if that was you

Cause I wanted to make sure it was the same ability before I announced it.

Also I think you are scum and don't want to help you with whatever shenanigans you're doing.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Did Daiyousei re-appear when I was away or how do we know info about her role?

[Marisa Kirisame]

This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive

Whence this information?

Sanae, Me, Daiyousei, Reisen

WDYM? Sanae is dead...

[Marisa Kirisame]

And Sanae did not claim a "hood passive"

[Marisa Kirisame]

This is wrong, if you're in a hood you have a regular passive and then an extra hood passive

Whence this information?

Sanae, Me, Daiyousei, Reisen

WDYM? Sanae is dead...

Read her role PM, other than having a billion spellcards she still has the

Active
Passive
Hood Passive

formatting

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

[Marisa Kirisame]

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

Can you full claim?

Nah.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Spoiler: Role PM

Patchouli Knowledge

You are

Patchouli Knowledge - The Great Unmoving Library

.
You are aligned with

Incident Resolver

Fire Sign "Agni Shine"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Tracks the target. High level follows the target.
Water Sign "Princess Undine"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Protects target from a single kill attempt during the night. High level protects target from multiple kill attempts.
Wood Sign "Sylphy Horn"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Neighborizes a target with you. High level neighborizes two targets of your choice.
Earth Sign "Lazy Trilithon"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Learns the action of the dead player the night they died. High level learns all night actions of the dead player.
Metal Sign "Metal Fatigue"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Delays the target's action. High level roleblocks the target.
Sun Sign "Royal Flare"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Turns the target voteless during the next day. High level also turns the target hated for the day.
Moon Sign "Silent Selene"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Shuts down Neighborhood for a phase if the target is in one. High level shuts it down permanently.

Magic Supremacy

[Active][Night]

- You begin the game with 1 Magic Point (MP for short), and gains 1 MP every beginning of the subsequent days.
Using a spellcard normally consumes 1 MP.
With 2 MP, you can choose to use two spellcards in conjunction with a single usage, or use a high level version of the spellcard.
With 3 MP, you can use a powerful spellcared

Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone"

, which uses all the remaining spellcards you have for one of the following effects:

Spoiler: Philosopher's Stone

Neighborize the target and exits the game together for a single phase, becoming untargetable but also disable all actions, posting, and voting.
Reveals your alignment and become untargetable for a day and night publicly, and become a treestump when dead.
Gains all Spell Cards of an eliminated player, unless otherwise noted.

Using the spellcards with insufficient points will cause you to die after the card's activation.

Frail Elementalist

[Passive]

- As a high level magician, you begin the game with a lot more spellcards compared to other players. However, you can only activate the spellcards twice per game, even if you would have spellcards left after. Additionally, you cannot be protected from any killing actions.

Scarlet Devil Mansion

[Passive]

- You are in a neighborhood with

Marisa Kirisame

.

Win Condition:

Eliminate all

Incident Causers

Okay I guess my passive isn't confirmed. I still think hunting scum off passives is extremely, extremely dubious.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

Can you full claim?

Nah.

VOTE: Marisa

How about now?

Oh no the only player that has tried to vote me out all game has voted me. I'm so scared.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Additionally, you are scum.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

Can you full claim?

Nah.

How about for me?

If I claim I lose the ability to maybe get a guilty tonight. Is it worth it?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Spoiler: Role PM

Patchouli Knowledge

You are

Patchouli Knowledge - The Great Unmoving Library

.
You are aligned with

Incident Resolver

Fire Sign "Agni Shine"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Tracks the target. High level follows the target.
Water Sign "Princess Undine"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Protects target from a single kill attempt during the night. High level protects target from multiple kill attempts.
Wood Sign "Sylphy Horn"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Neighborizes a target with you. High level neighborizes two targets of your choice.
Earth Sign "Lazy Trilithon"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Learns the action of the dead player the night they died. High level learns all night actions of the dead player.
Metal Sign "Metal Fatigue"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Delays the target's action. High level roleblocks the target.
Sun Sign "Royal Flare"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Turns the target voteless during the next day. High level also turns the target hated for the day.
Moon Sign "Silent Selene"

[Spellcard][Night]

- Shuts down Neighborhood for a phase if the target is in one. High level shuts it down permanently.

Magic Supremacy

[Active][Night]

- You begin the game with 1 Magic Point (MP for short), and gains 1 MP every beginning of the subsequent days.
Using a spellcard normally consumes 1 MP.
With 2 MP, you can choose to use two spellcards in conjunction with a single usage, or use a high level version of the spellcard.
With 3 MP, you can use a powerful spellcared

Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone"

, which uses all the remaining spellcards you have for one of the following effects:

Spoiler: Philosopher's Stone

Neighborize the target and exits the game together for a single phase, becoming untargetable but also disable all actions, posting, and voting.
Reveals your alignment and become untargetable for a day and night publicly, and become a treestump when dead.
Gains all Spell Cards of an eliminated player, unless otherwise noted.

Using the spellcards with insufficient points will cause you to die after the card's activation.

Frail Elementalist

[Passive]

- As a high level magician, you begin the game with a lot more spellcards compared to other players. However, you can only activate the spellcards twice per game, even if you would have spellcards left after. Additionally, you cannot be protected from any killing actions.

Scarlet Devil Mansion

[Passive]

- You are in a neighborhood with

Marisa Kirisame

.

Win Condition:

Eliminate all

Incident Causers

Okay I guess my passive isn't confirmed. I still think hunting scum off passives is extremely, extremely dubious.

You're literally the only person claiming to deviate from the

Active
Passive
Optional Hood Passive

format

And? How is that scum indicative?

[Marisa Kirisame]

How about we let the mech reads stop for a bit and play classic mafia, it seem like we're getting deep in the wine here

I agree

[Marisa Kirisame]

Mech SPECULATION is not gonna solve this game. Gif's a crazy bastard who dances on gunpowder for funsies.

Mech ACTION analysis MIIIGHT give us at most one more clear.

Yes.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

Can you full claim?

Nah.

How about for me?

If I claim I lose the ability to maybe get a guilty tonight. Is it worth it?

problem being that tommorow is ELo

That is indeed very unfortunate. I still hope that we vote scum out today and I'm doubtful that my full claim gives us insight into my or anyone else's alignment, as this is not a traditionally balanced or designed setup.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay here's my case on Kaguya:
1. I disliked their approach to dealing with Sanae and I'm pretty confident now that there was mafia between the first 3 votes on Sanae - in fact that realization that Kaguya might be coasting and voting Sanae is what made me second guess the sanae scumread yesterday.
2. I re-reevaluated my read on them and I think it's actually scum indicative for them to coast this way even though I did think it was towny for them at the end of yesterday
3. I think mechsolving is scummy in this gamestate. They seem to be deadly fixated on mechsolving and I think it comes from scum which doesn't know how to push townies the regular old way.
4. There was more but I forgot
5. The speculation on Yuuka being PGO might be TMI (this has to be verified by claims which I haven't checked but if Kaguya is scum they might know that Clown wasn't the NK and speculated that the kill was caused by PGO because they didn't kill Clown. I really don't see another reason for this speculation)
6. The vote on me day 1 doesn't feel like it's backed by a real thought process but more likely by trying to look a certain way (not really sure what the goal was tbh)

7. At EOD 1 when Sanae said there was scum at tail end of her wagon I disliked Kaguya's reaction (2731)

[Marisa Kirisame]

I think Kaguya is playing the way they're usually playing as a caught wolf (if I'm right on who they are).

[Marisa Kirisame]

with the understanding that not everyone will agree with my exclusion from this list.

I agree with your exclusion but not with Kaguya's

[Marisa Kirisame]

Anyway did I mention I was absent from the thread because I had a flight and now I'm jet lagged and it's really late now and I should sleep? Because I really should sleep.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's almost as if she doesn't have a fakeclaim ready yet

My friendo, I don't need a fake claim because I am not claiming.

However even if I were claiming, I would just trueclaim my role. Since you are only interested in my passive for "solving the game", and I have already claimed my full passive and said so, I have nothing to hide.

[Marisa Kirisame]

fyi, who did Kagerou burgle from n2?

Reisen

...
....
..

DId Kagerou burgle from an ascetic claim?

[Marisa Kirisame]

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.

Not a bad case.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Oh I just realised that the format for Reisens claim also doesnt make sense since Hood Passives are present in both role PMs and Larva didn't have a hood passive so Reisens hood passive would have to take the slot of a regular passive like Clownpiece did

But then Reisen's confirmed Ascetic by Kagerou and Dai so that also doesn't make sense

WDYM?

[Marisa Kirisame]

So they’re flandre?

Or Remilia

I'm Flandre.

[Marisa Kirisame]

If you’re going to be like that I want you to claim.

Like what?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm Flandre.

I crumbed this by calling Sanae "Sanae-Sama", because I assumed she was Remilla, Flandre's older sister. Onee-Sama is older sister.

It's a weak crumb but yeah.

[Marisa Kirisame]

K, if your goal is to find scum tomorrow through your abilities with a bet on scum today so it’s not air in elo you’re currently heading in the wrong direction.

That's why I am voting Kaguya and not you, silly!

Is that one of those personality types, like yandere or tsundere?

Please tell me this isn't some flat chest joke.

/s

I-I'm a child, you hentai! Of course my chest is flat!

[Marisa Kirisame]

The Spellcard/Spellcard/Active/Passive/Hood Passive format is only followed when the Hood is there from the start and it's also present as a passive on both sides; if the hood gets created later then it looks like it should be following the Clownpiece format where the hood takes up the regular Passive slot. Larva doesn't have a hood passive and Reisen is claiming the hood came about N1 so that would normally be taking Reisen's regular Passive slot, but Reisen's also confirmed to be Ascetic which would be taking up a regular Passive slot

You mean the hood STEALS your passive?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I am really confused by what you are saying here

[Marisa Kirisame]

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.

Not a bad case.

I didn't vote you though.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's Japan. It's probably one of those silly trillion year old cases and YOU'RE the criminal one anyways:

Spoiler:

Age
Approximately 495 years

RIGHT TO JAIL

Hey, I didn't flirt with Clownpiece! Only with Reisen, and she's at least 19 or something...

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's Japan. It's probably one of those silly trillion year old cases and YOU'RE the criminal one anyways:

Spoiler:

Age
Approximately 495 years

RIGHT TO JAIL

Hey, I didn't flirt with Clownpiece! Only with Reisen, and she's at least 19 or something...

The fact that you just posted a png that would be horrible to read on mafblack... it makes me happy that I use mafsepia. (it also makes me that much more confident about who your main is )

Anyway, who said anything about acceptance? As long as It's legal, I'm fine!

[Marisa Kirisame]

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

Lord I hope not.

VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba

I might sheep you if Kaguya can do one (1) towny thing this day that doesn't have to do with mech.

[Marisa Kirisame]

If we could Not Have This Conversation, that'd be much apprecaited.

Wait which one?

Thou Shalt Not Meta

I will not meta! I just wink winked...

[Marisa Kirisame]

The relationship age one, which already feels like it's going in a gross direction.

Okay just to be clear it was all humurous. I do not endorse dating young people even if it's legal.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

Lord I hope not.

VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba

I might sheep you if Kaguya can do one (1) towny thing this day that doesn't have to do with mech.

Unfortunately, I feel like Kaguya continuing to pursue you is town-indicative, because there were much easier plans for Mafia Kaguya to pursue today (I should add here that I don't think there's a realistic chance you get exterminated today no matter how hard Kaguya tries), but you clearly don't agree with that sentiment.

I just think it's easy for Kaguya as scum to fall into a certain groove, be it mech or a policy lim, and stick to it so they don't have to do solving. I

can

see, though, where you are coming from. I just want to see if Kaguya is able to do any solving outside of mech, regardless of whether they are tunneled on me or not. Even if I am scum I should have a partner.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Thou Shalt Not Meta

I knew it'd be interpreted as meta, but the thing is I always sus players who fall into this groove and I always think that over 90% of attention on mech = scummy.

That is not to say that mech in itself is scummy, but when mech supplants reads it's scummy.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Repeat after me:

"Everyone in this game is an alt of GIF"

Everyone in this game is an alt of GIF

[Marisa Kirisame]

If you're ACTUALLY claiming an investigative then put that front and center because if so I'll debate if I wanna flip a coin between you and Aya tonight on the seraph-BG.

I kinda hoped to let Aya get NK'd and then reveal my role but

Yeah, I do have some sort of ability which can generate guilties and/or innos. Not saying what it is. Thankfully,

Thankfully she can clear that up for us right now.

Why coin flip? I'm a watcher. I watch the cop you protect me. I guess RBs exist but if they exist... A cop is dead anyway

This seems to solve this.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Sorry I'll get back to the thread in a bit

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay Kaguya I tried to follow your chain of logic of why you think I can't be town with Reisen and I just have no idea why you decided that this:

Premise: Roles made by GIF follow a consistent formatting of Spellcard/Spellcard/Active/Passive/Start of game Hood Passive

Is correct. Like where does this assumption come from?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I’m not sure how much FF would be piping in. I’m not familiar with the mod dynamic between the two.

FF recently modded a different uPick with 2 reviewers (including Syr, who is a reviewer for this game). In my understanding, the reviewers had an active role in helping design the setup. While GIF is not FF, with an overlap of 2/3 people involved in the review process and both games being uPicks I think it's safe to assume that Syr and FF had some influence on setup generation and weren't there only as feedback givers to GIF.
What does this mean? Mainly that IMO we shouldn't start writing theories based on which designer designed each role because we will 100% get it more wrong than right.

Pedit: Kaguya, quoting a few claims does not teach us anything about a mod having a set-in-stone pattern for generating roles. It just doesn't work this way in real life.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Like if I see 10/13 people following a pattern and an 11th that has a passive + active explicitly pointing out that she's breaking from a pattern I'm gonna assume there's a pattern there

But you aren't. Not every person in those 10 actually has a hood.

[Marisa Kirisame]

You are seeing 10 people who only half of which have a hood, and then you are claiming "10 people follow the format of having both a hood and another passive", it's just a misrepresentation of reality.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay let's me explain what is annoying me if you are town, Kaguya

You are assuming the mods will intentionally format all role PMs the same way, and therefore that if you detect a pattern in reading role PMs then that pattern is the key to figuring out the mods' secret formula. The thing is that this assumption is wrong because the mods are a bunch of crazy bastards (with love, mods) who enjoy subverting any and all expectations regarding setup design. So while in general it may be true that most, or maybe even all, players got exactly one active, for instance (I mean I'd be upset if I didn't get any), I just don't think that you can take this assumption to the bank and say "yeah well these 5 people who flipped had either one passive or one passive and one hood passive so clearly that is the mods' philosophy and they care deeply to make sure that it works that way", because either they simply don't care enough about passives to count how many passives each person gets, or they will intentionally and mercilessly give people odd numbers of passives to throw the players off.

[Marisa Kirisame]

3/4 hooded people who are in a hood from the start are confirmed to follow the Active/Passive/Hood Passive format, and the only one deviating is both claiming a flavor that would explain Sanae's Spellcard Block and also sus as hell already. Is that better for you?

First of all, yes. Second of all 3/4 isn't as compelling as 10/13 all of a sudden, is it? Third of all can you explain why am I even sus to you aside from mech? I asked you multiple times to give any non-mech thoughts and as far as I can tell you refused. In fact you wrote this:

I'm gonna look at how Marisa handled Sanae D2 vs Kaguya D3 in the morning

And then never did it apparently.

[Marisa Kirisame]

So if you are town do everyone a favor (not just me, Dai and Koishi are both also unhappy with this at the very least) and start talking about non-mech things.

Pedit: 90% of this is mech.

[Marisa Kirisame]

And I guess flavor spec but like, c'mon.

[Marisa Kirisame]

You can evidently play a pretty solid game even when sleep deprived

Hmm?

[Marisa Kirisame]

You can evidently play a pretty solid game even when sleep deprived

Hmm?

You claimed to be sleep deprived from jet lag but also dropped a big case on me?

I never said I was sleep deprived? I said I was jet lagged...

[Marisa Kirisame]

So if you are town do everyone a favor (not just me, Dai and Koishi are both also unhappy with this at the very least) and start talking about non-mech things.

Pedit: 90% of this is mech.

When did reads based off what you'd actually be doing if you had the PM you're claiming to have become mech

To be clear: my scumread on you is a combination of mod spec with the passive, getting any sort of claim from you being like pulling teeth, and the parts of the claim you did give being something that I'd have expected you to use earlier instead of ELO when right now you're pushing someone who I know is town (me), as well as your flavor claim being a very good explanation for what'd otherwise be a very weird ability used on Sanae (where her Active went through but her Spellcard got blocked)

Are you saying I should have used my spellcard beforehand? Because no it isn't a cop shot and unfortunately I have only one shot of it and it would be realistically best used now and not earlier. And I don't even know since when it is scummy to not claim an ability that loses utility when claimed. Such as, for instance, claiming vanilla cop before everyone else has claimed, alerting mafia PRs not to claim vanilla and mafia goons not to claim PR.

Also, if you are so married to spell/spell/active/passive:
I have a confirmed active that targeted two different players. I have a confirmable spell and my other spell (the one that can generate guilties and/or innos) is semi confirmable. So unless you admit the mods could be violating that formula and then just drop that silly case, I can prove that I did not in fact roleblock Sanae.

[Marisa Kirisame]

If not, can you claim right now if it'll be obvious after the reveal why you decided not to use the guilty generator until ELO?

It will be obvious.

[Marisa Kirisame]

So there isn't actually time for you to prove your other spellcard

Or is there?

At the very least I can guarantee that it will become a 1v1 worst case scenario.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Anyway what's the VC

[Marisa Kirisame]

Kaguya do me favor and talk about your other reads.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Especially the reads you'd have in a world where I get flipped today and flip town, rendering your theory either completely or at least partially incorrect.

[Marisa Kirisame]

(partially incorrect because I still don't know Reisenvs alignment)

[Marisa Kirisame]

Sorry I do not have time to play this properly. I should have more time closer to deadline, but I can't promise.

I think I want either Kaguya or Reisen flipped today. A huge preference for Kaguya.

Daiyousei, what made you unvote Kaguya?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Yuuka why are you voting Kagerou

[Marisa Kirisame]

Not why are you scumreading Kagerou, but why are you voting someone that's not one of Kaguya/Reisen (or me, if you agree with Kaguya)

[Marisa Kirisame]

Not why are you scumreading Kagerou, but why are you voting someone that's not one of Kaguya/Reisen (or me, if you agree with Kaguya)

Aya said not to and I don't have the context Kaguya has.
I'm fine just interpreting what you results are tomorrow and then trying my best to see if it's bullshit or not.

Not to do what? Which context?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also I don’t wanna freak out but, 3-4 hours aya or koishi have to decide if they need my full claim.

I'm pretty sure Aya asked for it a while ago.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Marisa what did you think your active did and why did you target Dai with it

I thought it was a roleblock, not a passive block.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Like, delayed.

[Marisa Kirisame]

To be precise,
This is what I thought my active does: "target a player. They will be roleblocked the following night phase"
This is what my active really does: "target a player. Their passive will be disabled for the next day and night phase"
(paraphrased, of course)

[Marisa Kirisame]

The idea was that if we somehow killed 2 mafia (for example with a well aimed vig on and a a good lim) I could have a clear or guilty on dai, a slot which I had a not very good read on.

[Marisa Kirisame]

VOTE: Reisen

[Marisa Kirisame]

Daiyousei, what made you unvote Kaguya?

Her response to my return and vote for her read as a reasonable approach to take.

btw I saw this, I will have a look at that interaction and also your post saying you thought we're both town.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I, on the other hand, am not a fan of reframing my explanation for targeting dai as a "narrative reframing".

Are you claiming that a town jailkeeper should not jailkeep a null read night 2 because it might hit a town PR? Because that's basically the same as saying "you shouldn't delayed roleblock a null read n1 because it might hit a town PR".
Also, during night 1 I was still thinking Sanae would flip mafia on day 2, I still had several slots I was pretty sure were town, and I knew of a vig shot. Framing the use of a roleblock on a PoE slot as anything but what any reasonable town player would do is sketchy.
Did I believe we 100% of the time hit 2 scum? No. Did I think we 100% flip Sanae scum and that maybe vig hit scum and I couldn't retroactively chhose to delayed roleblock based on whether the vig hit scum? Yes.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Wait Kaguya I forgot to ask: did you use your doc shot?

Yes, that's literally why I called Yuuka a PGO cause I docced both Aya and Koishi

Oh. That makes a lot more sense but also unfortunate because I'd hoped we could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

HEAL: Kaguya

I'm going to have to rethink my reads for a bit.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It's also why I got confused about your "who has the inno" comment until it clicked cause both were already conftown

Yeah makes sense

[Marisa Kirisame]

No

Heal tag is my way of expressing an unvote on a person I wasn't voting.

[Marisa Kirisame]

No

Heal tag is my way of expressing an unvote on a person I wasn't voting.

I'd hoped

we

could double heal them tonight and guarantee they live to next day.

Meant this

We = town

since if you had that doc you would be able to double heal them.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

I'm annoyed that this was just self-satisfied scum knowing that they just put two towns at E-2.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Larva's ISO is really weird tbh and I am baffled I even townread them but I guess they do fall into the "high-charisma" category that makes you passively townread them (kinda interesting that Kaguya also called this out but pushed me over Larva).

Also it feels like Larva was spewing a lot of people town, mainly dead people and Koishi so that's not very useful.

There is this though:

i like that Kaguya directed some attention her way actually, i think that'd be a weird vote for scum to make as there was practically no voiced suspicion of Marisa at the time

Clown can you say some words to me about Kaguya?

i really liked her posts about Marisa. there is a lot of merit to the charisma argument that made me reevaluate Marisa myself

it would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

in fact a lot of her scum reads seem to center around the consensus town-read players (Yuuka, Sanae, Marisa) which is a strange strategy as scum when it's likely these players will be influential in deciding the ultimate elimination today

i guess she is also scum reading Reisen who would fit the bill as a viable elimination alternative to herself but i have a soft spot for other players scum-reading Reisen...

I really want to think that these spew Kaguya-San as town but would be really silly of me, right? Especially because of how little interaction those two slots had. Which is really annoying.

But do you know who else had few interactions with Larva-San? Yuuka-San. And do you know that Yuuka-San is like a slot that Larva-San doesn't feel even a bit interested in?

Here are all posts from Larva-San's ISO that mention Yuuka-San:

Spoiler:

i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

i feel the opposite

what makes you think that claim comes from scum?

eh i'm not really feeling the Ichirin votes

the below post reads as a genuine town reaction to the sudden burst of votes

Oh. I look away for a few minutes and by the time I post again there's 3 people on me.

and while i can see where Ichirin could be perceived as nitpicking at my unexplained read i don't think it was such an outrageous thing to point out. the amount of criticism sie's receiving for it feels incongruent and unwarranted

Koishi's questions from the last page (266 and 270) are contributing to the pile on and egging on the criticism without looking like a genuine attempt to ascertain Ichirin's alignment

and Yuuka specifically felt like she entered into that engagement deliberately looking for a fight by calling Ichrin's posts bad multiple times for reasons i cannot gather from reading the last couple pages

it feels icky in multiple places

VOTE: Koishi Komeiji

i should go back and remember why i was townreading Yuuka outside the initial miller claim

of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

Go a little deeper on this because I think from koichi and ichirins interactions, koichi has a clear mindset behind their posting and it tracks pretty well.

my kneejerk reaction was that Koishi was subtly adding to the pressure on Ichirin while remaining under with the radar with their patented "ask questions that don't really matter to look like i'm contributing" strategy, while Yuuka and Clown were doing all the heavy lifting with that exchange, later avoiding accountability in the event Ichirin is ultimately mis-eliminated

but i do feel a bit better with Koishi's explanation and can buy that perspective

i will be fairly inactive through Monday, other than a few opportunities to post here and there

i plan to reread the game upon my return because i am concerned i have too many townreads and the people i've been not-town reading keep saying things that make me doubt myself which is annoying

i am feeling good about Clownpiece, Sanae, and Marisa for town, in that order

Ichirin is also close to this tier but not quite to the level of the three listed above, for the townie reaction to their wagon that Koishi is still desperately trying to get me to concede could come from scum

i am leaning town on Yuuka still but to be fair this read probably deserves more in depth reevaluation

Tenshi had a solid and imo townie defense to some pressure earlier but has done next to nothing since, so gun-to-head town but i will need more from her to cement that one way or another

Kaguya, Reisen, and Aya are slots i feel nothing about and will be one of my focuses upon reread. i will say i had even had some townpings from Reisen and Aya but nothing strong enough in either direction to make me commit

Dai and Koishi continue to mirror each other when it comes to how i feel about them, as indicated preivously, their early questions and one-off posts came across as surface level and a way to look engaged with the game without contributing anything. however Koishi has dulled that suspicion a bit with our interaction about Ichirin (even though i am growing irritated with being asked the same question in different ways over and over again >_<).

on a similar note i thought Dai's most recent post was great and conveyed the thoughts i found difficult to articulate about Kagerou. basically Koishi and Dai's body of work overall leans scum, but there have been a couple glimmers of towny-ness that shake my confidence

My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity

from what i can tell there also hasn't been much in terms of reads outside of the Clownpiece scum read (i now see the reads list provided with some interesting takes that i will look into more when i return) which she pretty much refused to elaborate on, and the reasoning she did provide also never sat well with me to begin with and came from the first page. it's difficult for me to buy that into the fact that her opinion on Clownpiece has not changed or evolved since the beginning of the game, especially since Clownpiece is my largest town read, which leads me to believe she is just holding onto it because she needs a strong opinion that goes against the grain

those are all my thoughts for now, please feel free to poke at or ask questions about anything. i am thinking this will be a game where i focus on identifying and locking in town reads and just pushing to eliminate within 'what's left'

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

i want Aya to redirect her energy into engaging outside of the Sanae/Yuuka/Clownpiece back-and-forth as that entire interaction was pretty much a wash in terms of actually generating a read on her.

there was some mindmeld with her stance on Ichirin's reaction to the sudden wagon and even moreso with her pointing out Sanae's progression on the Aya/Ichirin associations, as that is something that also stood out to me as odd. but even after reading her explanation like three times, the T/S designation of Sanae and Yuuka still does not land with me and if there was any line of thought she's showcased that looks like she's trying to capitalize or look town off the "drama" of her recent interactions, it's this one. almost like she's expected to have an opinion on the people she's engaging so she threw that out there to keep up the appearance that she's generating reads/opinions on the people interacting with her

but i am fairly certain i know who Aya's main is and struggling to contribute meaningfully is not at all how i would characterize her scum game. it is probably silly (and also against the spirit of the game) to base a read off of this assumption so i will likely ignore it moving forward

all of these words amount to a very noncommittal "let her talk about other stuff to make her more readable"

@Aya i am most interested to know who your ideal elimination for today would be and why

Not touching today:
Clownpiece
Sanae
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced:
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left:
Aya
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi
Tenshi

hey i have less townreads than i thought

I think I’m relatively satisfied with where my reads are at, so, as long as nobody threatens them
I’m okay.

I think Reisen, Larva, and clown piece are town.

Larvae is strongest TR.
followed by clown.
Followed by Reisen.

can you elaborate a bit on the Reisen TR?

Clown can you say some words to me about Kaguya?

i really liked her posts about Marisa. there is a lot of merit to the charisma argument that made me reevaluate Marisa myself

it would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

in fact a lot of her scum reads seem to center around the consensus town-read players (Yuuka, Sanae, Marisa) which is a strange strategy as scum when it's likely these players will be influential in deciding the ultimate elimination today

i guess she is also scum reading Reisen who would fit the bill as a viable elimination alternative to herself but i have a soft spot for other players scum-reading Reisen...

i know i just voted Koishi but i do not understand why everyone and their mother took issue with their characterization of Yuuka as "middle-of-the-road"?

what is so horrible about them drawing that conclusion?

ftr i want to put my vote back on Kagerou but i just dramatically naked-voted Koishi to be spicy and i can't bring myself to immediately retract that

I am genuinely glad you did, the data generated is extremely useful for the future.

you have piqued my curiosity?

what kind of data did it generate, and on who?

Well for one, that it took Yuuka until you actively hinted you were ready to vote me, to vote me.

if i'm being honest, my path to get there took me from reading that Sanae was scum reading you a couple pages ago in my catchup, seeing that Yuuka had just voted you in real time, and noticing that Sanae was around and posting, so i did it because it seemed like a perfect opportunity to make you a viable elimination again!

although it failed because Sanae didn't bite which i'm confused about!

not sure how to feel about Yuuka's vote to get Ichirin to claim and immediate back off upon Ichirin claiming

Yuuka you confuse me sometimes

myself Kaguya Sanae Yuuka would be four, if we put our minds together we can make Koishi a legitimate elimination possibility again!

Gut doesn't feel like Ichirin's particularly likely to flip scum, what are the alternatives

You.

I just want them to flip already so I have something tangible to work with.

Wait, which player said they were immune to day abilities again. Was that ichirin or kouji?

Kaguya is one of the few slots i haven’t paranoia-spiraled myself out of townreading please don’t do this to me

Yuuka what are your thoughts on Sanae and Marisa?

And it's just a bunch of meh posting, IMO. No real back and forth, no real thought process on the slot. It just feels like Larva is completely unconcerned about Yuuka as a lot this game, and are just paying lip service to engaging with them. Also:

Good post if you're scum Larvae.
Very townie mindset.

This could be cheeky partner banter.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Actually I wanna say that Larva's ISO also spews dai as town. It's a relatively short ISO (for a 5000+ post game) so can someone else skim it and tell me if they agree?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Kaguya I forgot if you gave any read this day ohase that didn't have to do with claims.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

[Marisa Kirisame]

You’re affirming Dai and town reading Dai.
So your end game is relatively clear to see.

I'm confused what this means.

[Marisa Kirisame]

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Empathy: but I’ve realized it’s just because it might be a non-AI puzzle they made intentionally to obscure and I hate those because they distract me from hunting.

I'm also unsure by what you mean here. How can someone intentionally obscure their alignment as town? Or what would a town-Kaguya be obscuring here, exactly?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Why am I not dead?
Or at least being voted.

I'm still in the middle of re-adjusting my reads. The bit I posted about you looking partnered is just a small bit. There is a lot more to consider.

The Kagerou replacement is definitely giving me more time to think though.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Did someone request a blank page? Well give me a few hours and you'll get some indecipherable reads.

Howdy!

Oh that's nice. I can't read your predecessor for the life of me so I'm excited to see what AI content you post.

Also, UNVOTE: I guess.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Kaguya I forgot if you gave any read this day ohase that didn't have to do with claims.

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Spoiler: Quotes

I remember Reisen being pretty townie on my first re-read but deviant role PM formatting + Yuuka going up from live chatting is bringing them down. If you flip town they drop to the bottom of the list
Yuuka just feels like town when I've been live chatting with her recently, though this is primarily a D3 biased read and she was flying under my radar until now
Kagerou I think would be scum by POE if you flip town but I'm wouldn't bet the game on it there. Her arguments kind of remind me of the type of arguments scum tend to use when pushing me where they use my hyper-confident playstyle and call it TMI

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

this was a jokey post but the feeling behind it is absolutely real, Kaguya kinda feels like scum forgetting to keep up appearances in a way because they are so busy with all that's already on their mind?

Put more words to this and make me feel it.

Kaguya is acting pretty suddenly in a way that's very straight to the point and focused, it reads as if she kinda bypassed some of the steps to solving that people usually need to take, notice how a lot of her takes, come out effortlessly without a lot of solving visible to the naked eye, and while that's not inherently a scum trait, some of her posts like the one in 4595 read as if she already had an idea for a case and is fitting it the best way she can to answer Yuuka rather than like, trying to play *with* Yuuka?

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about with Kagerou, especially where if you read 4600 it's pretty clear 4595 was a rhetorical technique

Ok finally have time for this, I'm hoping to get the part 2 where I look over her D3 posting done later tonight.

There's a disconnect between Marisa's positions over D2 where she wants Sanae dead and her actual approach to Sanae where she's evidently treating her as town in the sense that they're collaboratively sortinging together and in posts like 3676 where it feels like she has to address stuff she knows is going to get looked over again once Sanae flips town. This is especially visible in her Sanae case in 3652 where by the look of it you'd think she'd be treating Sanae like confscum and solving for the rest of the team (Coincidentally Yuuka also pointed out this tonal disconnect in 3689 which makes me feel slightly better about her going up in my reads today)

Spoiler: Quote Wall

It was egging on the 1v1 (which the other half we can probably assume is town as well), and was assigning Ichirin scumminess for not having seen a Koishi post from a couple of hours before, which isn't actually scummy at all, so was functionally serving to pile-on/exacerbate the 1v1

Okay! I will have a look at it this evening.

Yes please
As well as the response I made to what you said to Koishi in the hood.

I think Yuuka probably needs to be re-evaluated as well.

Will do! Bye for now...

I think Koishi's 1391 looks a lot worse, especially knowing Ichirin is town

Nope, I don't see it at all! What I do see though is that both of your only scumreads last day phase are confirmed town now, and this is not a good look,

UwU

(Especially not because I called them out as being fake)

I think Koishi's 1391 looks a lot worse, especially knowing Ichirin is town

Nope, I don't see it at all! What I do see though is that both of your only scumreads last day phase are confirmed town now, and this is not a good look,

UwU

Those were my reads. They may have been wrong but they were my reads at the time

What are your reads now? How confident are you on me and Clownpiece-Chan being town?

Clownpiece pretty confident
You've dropped some, but probably below him and above the
Yuuka/Reisen/Kaguya tier

Probably something like

Aya/koishi -> mechanics
Clown
Dai
You
Kagerou
Kaguya/yuuki
Reisen

Why are you townreading Clown? And why are you scumreading Reisen?

vote-parking on Ichirin is sort of exactly

where I expect scum to be

Yuuka was on the sidelines while end-of-day yesterday went down, and that's sort of

where I'd expect scum to be

Elaborate on this?

Where

exactly

do you expect scum to be?

Also what exactly caused me to drop off? Be as precise as you can please.

Can I get a tldr of why sanae is scum since larva flipped scum?

Sanae is scum because:

- Her push on Koishi felt fake
- Her fight with Aya didn't feel TvT and Aya is confirmed
- She made 2371 which is a scum post because she already had

very confident

reads on both of us and didn't actually need the content
- We stayed her execution yesterday because she promised to self-vig, but then she didn't self vig
- Larva jumped on Sanae wagon and then jumped off in order to equalize the wagons which possibly helped in her execution being delayed
- Both of her big scumreads from day one are confirmed town now and one of her big townreads from day one flipped scum but her reaction is not to reevalutate the the game but to vote you without elaborating (i know she did say she reevaluated peoples positions after acceding aya and koichi are town but i expected more out of a townie). Also the fact that she was universally pushing only town day 1 (yeah i'm preflipping kagerou sorry not sorry) is a bad look.
- poe

Sanae is town because:

- She says she is town repeatedly
- I guess she had the same reads Clownpiece and I had early on and we're both town so maybe she was also town?
- yeah

I'm kinda busy irl till tommorrow but will say look at: Reisen, Kaguya, Yuuka, and Marisa tomorrow

Basically the same list as here, would probably swap Marisa and Kagerou

I'm sorry Sanae but if you are town your solving is really lame

Anyway I agree with Koishi and Clownpiece that we should wait for Aya and I also think we should wait for Reisen because as much as I would like to just pew pew everyone except Reisen, myself and the three conftown (I'll miss you), we don't really have enough clears for that so I would like to make sure Reisen is town before I clear her (or not).

Okay I should also note that I targeted Daiyousei with my active ability last night but I misread what it does so it's actually useless. However I actually read my PM today so hopefully next night I can do something useful. Or not! Maybe I'm just Vanilla Scarlet.

P-edit: You are so very welcome. Since we are not killing you until later, feel free to step up your solving! I may even go back to thinking you are super cool like I did back at the beginning of the game, when I called you Sanae-Sama.

This is tonal whiplash. But I don’t really know what, if anything to make of it. Can’t you two bicker in the scum PT if that’s what that is?

It's probably a combination of being bored to death of this day phase, alternating between role playing and not roleplaying, and talking to my scumread who I'm pushing as if she could be town because I really want to not be wrong so if she's town I want to find her but at the same time I'm pretty confident she's scum, that's producing the tonal whiplash.

Anyway if I were scum with Sanae, Daiyousei would've been dead eons ago and Larva would probably still have been alive.

ftr I'm not assuming that she is town. It's just that I'm finally able to give the game my full attention for the first time since the weekend and I want to explore different possibilities before we end the day.

Yeah I guess this makes sense in a scum!Sanae world. Knowing that all the non-voters were town basically meant that is Sanae was scum Larva had to change vote to let her live, since they couldn't count on non-voters. Also the Larva progression of voting Sanae and then working back into an Ichirin vote feels planned, which is more likely to happen in a scum!Sanae world than in a world where the wagons were TvT. Right? Someone sanity check me please.

Correction: I am limited to phone posting and light banter for the next twelve hours. The issue is not with me but a member of my family's health. Thankfully they are now asleep. So I am here keeping watch.

Koishi help me I'm going insane I hate deadlines I always make the wrong choice near deadlines. I should just vote Sanae right? And reevaluate if she flips town

Hmm on second look maybe it's less that there's a disconnect and more that there's a concerted effort to discredit all of Sanae's reads

Marisa being V/LA for most of D3 kinda sucks cause there's a big void

Marisa's extreme focus on me D3 is also Really Friggin Bad^TM, the only other reads she expressed this day are

My issue here is as other players go up, I'm left staring at my Yuuka read wondering why it's still so town and if I'm just insane.

Dai, please come solve with us, I KNOW there's a player in there who really wants to dig into this game and be heard by the herd, I saw it on day one well now's your chance.

While I gather up the hood, I invite you to mull over the middle section of 4297, as a starting point if nothing else.

Not a bad case.

Not but really, is this day just coming down to a 1v1 of Marisa v Kaguya?

Lord I hope not.

VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba

I might sheep you if Kaguya can do one (1) towny thing this day that doesn't have to do with mech.

Why is Marisa scumreading Reisen when she spent D2 thinking she's town enough to put her in her towncore?

Thank you, I will look at these when it's not late at night in Europe.

[Marisa Kirisame]

You’re affirming Dai and town reading Dai.
So your end game is relatively clear to see.

I'm confused what this means.

Kill Kaguya -> Be friends with Dai -> Vote me together. You're affirming them by using the same sort of reasoning, essentially validating their associative reads (which are wrong).

It probably doesn't matter but it annoys me to no end.

Empathy: but I’ve realized it’s just because it might be a non-AI puzzle they made intentionally to obscure and I hate those because they distract me from hunting.

I'm also unsure by what you mean here. How can someone intentionally obscure their alignment as town? Or what would a town-Kaguya be obscuring here, exactly?

For example, a player that doesn't want to be identified or meta guessed at may play how Kaguya is playing to obfuscate who they are. They're both town and interested in not being meta'd. Anonymous games are an opportunity to try new things or experience the game without prior existing relationships.

Why am I not dead?
Or at least being voted.

I'm still in the middle of re-adjusting my reads. The bit I posted about you looking partnered is just a small bit. There is a lot more to consider.

The Kagerou replacement is definitely giving me more time to think though.

Sure.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I should probably go back to roleplaying as a cute witch, shouldn't I? Then everyone (except Kaguya) will townread me again and I won't have to worry about being meta'd either.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Confession: I thought my last vote yesterday was on Reisen, not an unvote.

Not that it excuses not checking in, but I thought worst case scenario Reisen got voted out which was fine, not a nolim.

VOTE: Reisen

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm less upset with a nolim because Dai was killed over a conftown, but still, Dai was obvtown so meh.

Anyway I'm going to contact the mod now to use my second spellcard, Kaguya. not that it matters because Dai's flip literally confirms that there is no set format for role cards.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also, I'm sick.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also, I couldn't check in earlier but I read the Kagerou replacement during the night and I townread them. So I am kinda hoping that killing Reisen and Yuuka wins.

Btw Yuuka you might want to claim your night results that pertain to me.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Or Kaguya. Idk why I just cleared Kaguya for no reason.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Did you ever say they were obvious town Marisa? Dai I mean.

Think I implied it? Let me find the post

[Marisa Kirisame]

with the understanding that not everyone will agree with my exclusion from this list.

I agree with your exclusion but not with Kaguya's

[Marisa Kirisame]

So I suppose I am tentatively plunking down a willingness to steamroll {Yuuka/Reisen/Kagerou} for the victory, with the understanding that not everyone will agree with my exclusion from this list.

For full context

[Marisa Kirisame]

There should be other posts in my ISO townreading Dai starting from day 2 I think

[Marisa Kirisame]

Okay here's my full claim

Spellcard 1 - extended roleblock. I permanently roleblock a player. They are informed of this and are able to discard

any

ability (including passives) to unblock themselves. This can obviously generate guilties based on stopping nightkills, or clears had we eliminated mafia. It's unfortunate that Reisen is ascetic and if mafia was able to perform the kill without the possibility of ever being blocked. I blocked Yuuka last night because I thought if Reisen is mafia they would 100% do the kill and if Reisen isn't mafia then Yuuka was most likely mafia (I was townreading Kagerou and Dai) and would do the kill. Yuuka not claiming this effect would be a direct 1v1 with me btw.

Spellcard 2 - quadruple voter. Let's me use my active on 4 people the next night. Pretty useless IMO.

Active - passive disabler. Already claimed.

Passive - hood with Sanae Kochiya.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Soooooo it's Marisa and one more then yeah?

No?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Why is it me all of a sudden?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Apologies for my horrible play.

Where do I find a list of who was who, if such a list exists?

[Marisa Kirisame]

And of course, well done to the town for winning despite my stupidity.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I did enjoy the game though.