The Call of Cutthulhufish ÔÇ║ÔîêGame Over!ÔîïÔÇ╣

[Amrun]

AND THE GAME BEGINS

VOTE: jindori

[Amrun]

Hey Cojin, looks like we're buddies again! THIS IS AWESOME!

[Amrun]

Maybe you're claiming your scumbuddy on purpose this time. I know it was a joke, of course, but why make it?

VOTE: Cojin

[Amrun]

Oh, crap. My bad, Cojin.

VOTE: Fuzzy Beavers

[Amrun]

Question for Pim: Which joke did I ignore? Jokes in and of themselves are not scummy. The vote on Cojin was just a mistake; I forgot to tell this thread that I'm currently on mind-altering medication and a bit out of it. I told all my other games when I went on the meds, but I don't think this one had started yet at the time.

[Amrun]

Who cares about that joke? Jokes aren't scummy. The other joke was and that one isn't.

[Amrun]

Maybe you're claiming your scumbuddy on purpose this time.

I know it was a joke, of course, but why make it?

VOTE: Cojin

It's because of the bolded. Why wonder about that when a player 'claims' scumbuddies, but not when a self-vote is made?

Self-vote with reference to previous joke by someone else is obviously a joke.

The other joke I thought might be masking a real scumbuddy in a deliberate joke.

I can pressure whomever I want for whatever reasons I want.

[Amrun]

Jindori, did you impose this post restriction on yourself?

[Amrun]

Zyrconium, do you love or hate me?

[Amrun]

I get this reputation as serious-face Amrun wherever I play, but I love it because I am not serious at all and post only to amuse myself. It's all an elaborate troll and I get a kick out of it.

But for the record, voting for someone =/= going berserk. lol

[Amrun]

I disagree, Charlie.

In your opinion, why should jindori be policy lynched? Have you played with him before?

[Amrun]

@mod: Fuzzy Beavers is voting for himself. DTMaster is voting NS, iirc.

[Amrun]

I am satisfied with this answer.

Null on Charlie.

p-edit: I had no idea about that. I wish they'd said it. Or that I'd checked the playerlist earlier or something.

[Amrun]

I do have a sense of humor. I can still find a particular joke scummy if I want to. dealwithit.jpg

Also, not defending Charlie. He's null leaning scum atm. However, the particular part of his "defence" that placated me was his involvement in the game in which jindori was modkilled for playing against wincon. Ergo, he has a sour experience with jindori which explains the support of the policy lynch.

His slowness in offering that defense is slightly suspect, but the defence itself is acceptable to me and I don't care if it's acceptable to you or not, Occult.

[Amrun]

Also, Occult FoSing 3 people but not voting any of them is quite strange and I'm trying to decide whether or not it's a scumtell.

[Amrun]

I decided that his response to my question on the issue was good enough for the action itself not to be a scumtell in my eyes. I'm just saying it's null. It's not like I'm trying to clear him as town or anything so I don't know what's got your panties all up in a twist.

[Amrun]

Oh, and for the record, I've decided your FoSes without a vote is also not a scumtell.

[Amrun]

jindori, please read the rules.

"Where was I? Oh, right. My dad's gonna be here in about six days, so I'd recommend you don't spend your time on idle chit-chat."

It is currently

00:00

on

April 1st

. Cutthulhufish is due to arrive at

00:00

on

April 7th

.[/color]

Deadlines are very tight for this game.

[Amrun]

So, wait, is the day over in 5 days or is the WHOLE GAME over in 5 days?

[Amrun]

Theory: gametime is not actual time. Why else would it be a date that isn't the real date (like April 1st)?

[Amrun]

Theory confirmed.

It is currently 00:20 on April 1st. Cutthulhufish is due to arrive at 00:00 on April 7th.

From first vote count. Definitely was longer than 20 mins.

Fixed tag. ~Nik

[Amrun]

Oh, fiddlesticks. Mod, fix the tags, please?

[Amrun]

No, it wasn't a joke vote, but it's not a fully serious vote, either, as in I'm not convinced that FB is scum. Kind of like a "get out of RVS" vote, Pim.

Also, I thought jindori DID attack Charlie after Umbrage did.

[Amrun]

Also, Pim, Empking voted for RB for the exact same reason I did.

Any reason you selectively attacked me and not him?

[Amrun]

@Charlie: I meant FB, or FuzzyBeavers. My bad.

[Amrun]

But my vote was a mistake. The person who claimed a scumbuddy was FuzzyBeavers, not Cojin.

[Amrun]

I was extremely confused by the account switch with no explanation and didn't realize that was "you" explaining, FB. I thought it was some other player answering for you and was like "...."

p-edit: Well, maybe not all the people who proposed the policy lynch, but Pine for sure.

p-edit 2: I lol'ed

[Amrun]

I feel uncomfortable with basing wagons on an on-going game. :/

[Amrun]

Mud-slinging by Occult.

[Amrun]

Charlie, why are you calling someone a lurker sso early?

FB! We are guaranteed that the mod is not a player.

[Amrun]

@Mod: Cojin is voting Charlie, not RICO ACT. I think I'm right this time.

Yes you are! I think you are mistaking RICO's vote on Cojin for Cojin's vote on RICO, though, because I do have Cojin down as voting for Charlie.

p-edit: Yes, I find them useful. More useful if written in coherent English and using the correct usernames.

[Amrun]

144 sounds way off. I'm assuming the closer we get to the deadline the faster it will go.

[Amrun]

I have to say that C-Worl did say he would policy lynch jindori in the sign up thread.

Also, the previous post of mine that caused confusion was referring to 144 days, not post 144.

[Amrun]

That said, I like how DTM told you all we were a hydra. He told me it would give you all the illusion that we were being pro town. I love how his scummy mind works =D.

Excuse me? The illusion of being pro-town?

I'm glad I already voted for you.

[Amrun]

I agree with implosion on this one. The non-specific accusations by Charlie bugged me too.

[Amrun]

Does it matter which of you posted that? No one would be attempting to give the illusion of being pro-town if the role in question actually was pro-town.

[Amrun]

C-worl is on my suspect list, but not for the policy lynch, but for agreeing with cases that called Charlie's push of the policy lynch scummy.

[Amrun]

What questions did C-Worl ignore?

[Amrun]

That was a dodge, but one, not multiple. Just to clarify.

[Amrun]

So, LLD, you aren't suspicious of Fuzzy Beavers at all even though you think there are likely 3 scum on the Charlie wagon?

Who do you think is scum on that wagon? I don't like unspecific suspicioons.

P-edit: Stop the wifom! Stop!

[Amrun]

No, that is not what I meant, and even if it was, no need to be rude.

Your vote is on C- Worl and your reasons are documented; this is good.

Then, you say, "Three people on the Charlie wagon are scum" but only address one person on the wagon as scum, and another by saying the case on him is bad.

If you're going to go out of your way to say that three scum are on the wagon, you shoulld attempt to point them out.

[Amrun]

Actually, considering that Jindori is a likely vig target, and that he is a PGO, it's a good idea for him to claim that.

This, Cojin.

[Amrun]

Granny? What are you talking about, Acronach?

Why unvote without placing a vote elsewhere?

[Amrun]

VOTE: tclaw

ITT: Scum competes with each other for the most obviously fabricated case.

[Amrun]

NS, your vitriol amuses me, but who are your top suspects besieds C-Worlv

I'm guessing Pine and tclaw from your post. Just wondering where Charlie stands with you.

[Amrun]

NS, I asked you a question.

[Amrun]

FoS Pine for saying he would do such and such as scum.

VOTE: C-Worl

For literly claiming scum.

Are you kidding me?! I was giving him the benefit of the doubt until that.

[Amrun]

Shark, how can anyone mislynch scum?

[Amrun]

Ever going to answer MY question, SharkFinn?

[Amrun]

@Charlie: What completed scum game is that? What about whichever game that is makes me suspicious here? Just the fact that I have completed scum games? Be more specific.

Also, what about Raivann suggests serial killer to you? Why do you think we even have a serial killer?

VOTE: SharkFinn

For refusing to answer a question about how it's possible to mislynch scum.

[Amrun]

It was New Designers mafia. I did indeed get nominated for a scummy for that game.

So your argument is basically "She played a good game as scum; this is suspicious in a totally different game?"

[Amrun]

Oh, and for the record, the main reason I got nominated is that no one else in the game, not even the other scum, thought I was suspicious at all, even though it turned out the final phase was made entirely of scum from various factions.

So if "not being suspicious" is a scumtell, well, then ... I don't know what to say to that.

[Amrun]

Charlie, please answer my questions.

tclawren, please look up serial killer on the wiki.

p-edit: It really is not Umbrage yelling.

[Amrun]

At the time, NS, you mentioned something that made me want to know, but I forget now, honestly. An easier answer is that everyone else was commenting on him at the time and I wanted to know why you weren't. I had a better reason once upon a time, though.

[Amrun]

I was actually feeling doubtful of LLD myself, but it's mostly gut and that one point of hypocrisy that sticks iin my craw, where she calls someone scum for calling every post in an ISO scummy and then proceeds to do the same thing herself but cvall it town.

So, hardly a case, as such.

Hey, Grey, it's like a mini Walking Dead reunion in here.

All we need is someone to get modkilled for c/p their role pm and someone to play against wincon and it will be complete.

Goons or whatever you are this game, got any godfathers you want to happen?

Walking Dead happened, Grey. It happened.

[Amrun]

*got any godfathers you want to out

[Amrun]

Like top 5:
1) Ender
2) Starbuck
3) Jack
4) InternetStranger's LyLo vote
5) Combined award to everyone for everything

I would put Starbuck above ender, but generally, yes...

Also, didn't Raivann quickhammer town as town on D1, by accident? That beats IS, I think.

Pine, link is in my wiki. Game was so whacked mod said not to put it in our records, but I did because it was lulz.

[Amrun]

Still waiting on the LLD case, Grey.

[Amrun]

@LLD: GI isn't scum, your painful flailing is only going to hurt yourself...

@GI: LLD might well be scum(her defense is painful, and the setup speculation hits me as a little off in retrospect), she's still not today's lynch with Raivann about...

QFT, well-articulated.

Careful, Zyrconium.

She might put you on our scumteam.

She

did

leave room to add at least one more.

@GI: Raivann is a good compromise lynch. C-Worl is being framed, no one can agree on Charlie or jindori, and Raivann is a viable candidate that almost everyone agrees is probscum.

What the fuck?

VOTE: Pine

[Amrun]

Edit: Nvm, I get it now.

Unvote

[Amrun]

Not sheeping you, sorry.

If you hadn't gathered, I've seen Raivann play terribad town before and this looks no different to me.

Will ISO her to see if there's anything worth mentioning.

[Amrun]

ISOed Raivann. Worst post?

Before my wagon takes flight I'll tell you this; Something strange also happens to me upon death. Another reason why I believed claim.

New Plan:

We speed lynch Acronach

unvote, Vote: Acronach

Speed lynching is a viable tactic in this game, though she didn't exactly post a case.


Not lynching Raivann today. At least not with a vote from me.

[Amrun]

Raivann is a shitty lynch. I won't support it.

[Amrun]

I already did.

There is NOTHING in her ISO that's suspicious. Literally nothing. She has posted more pro-town than a handful of other players, and for her, more pro-town than usual.

Also, too many people are gunning for her with zero case. No case at all.

[Amrun]

As I said, that was her worst post in the thread, for that reason.

Quicklynches are a perfectly viable tactic in this game, though her choice of bandwagon (you) isn't what I chose.

As I said, for her, this is not that strange. She seems to be making more of a town-motivated effort than I've seen from her previously as town, which is a good sign.

People have done far scummier things that tiny thing. OMGUS is unbecoming, Acronach.

[Amrun]

You very clearly support the Raivann wagon, so your vote is irrelevant.

I don't care who shares or does not share my reads. I'll convince people that I'm right if I can, but I'm definitely not going to change my reads because people don't agree. Yeah right.

[Amrun]

I said it was more pro-town than several other players and more pro-town than Raivann generally is. That doesn't mean there's nothing that isn't stellar play in Raivann's ISO. It's Raivann.

LLD, don't be a poor sport.

[Amrun]

If he continues to give song lyrics as cases, we'll lynch him. He's vigbait as it is. There is really no need to get all upset over this. Sorry.

[Amrun]

You promised a case on LLD and I want it, Grey.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Acronach

List basically deserves death. Dumb or scum? Let's find out.

[Amrun]

Are you even voting for me? Trust me, if you were, I would not be remotely concerned.

I can explain my vote any way I want to.

Your behavior has been anti-town the whole game and after an ISO of you, you are where my vote falls.

If someone needs convincing, I'll post more when I'm on the computer instead of my phone.

Your constantly contradicting yourself and searching for anyone to vote for any reason kind of speaks for itself, though, Acronach.

[Amrun]

MoI, if it helps, Empking is playing to his town meta.

Doesn't mean a LOT, but worth mentioning.

[Amrun]

I just played a town game with him where he acted somewhat like this.

I don't trust meta (esp. Since I haven't cross-referenced with other games).

Acronach, you pretended you weren't pushing a Raivann lynch when you were. You said you gad a town read on LLD then put her in your suspect list. On phone for now; that's what you get.

[Amrun]

Were you under the impression that was pro-town, Achronach?

[Amrun]

It reads as, "I want to leave myself open to suspect anyone at any time."

In other words, you're opportunistic scum, Achronach.

[Amrun]

Am I an irl stalker, now? I know your keyboard-leaving habits?

Sorry for spelling your name wrong, but suggesting I did it on purpose to "piss you off" is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Mudslinging lol.

[Amrun]

So you want proof that I did not misspell your name in order to piss you off?

And what does telling LLD to take a chill pill have to do with anything at all?

If you're suggesting that I'm pissed off... Well, I think you need to re-evaluate the situation.

I am scumhunting. You are flailing. That is how this is going.

[Amrun]

The only one guilty of OMGUS is you, Acronach.

If you'll notice, no ome has taken your reads seriously all game for a reason.

There is plenty of logic to what I'm saying. Opportunistic and mudsling is all you've been doing. Also your reaction to the tiniest amount of pressure is horrendous.

[Amrun]

Yeah, not at all voting for him for OMGUS. My vote stays.

Pine not looking any better.

[Amrun]

Yes, Grey. I think she is.

Sad, isn't it?

[Amrun]

Sorry, he, not she.

But I lol'ed at Grey.

[Amrun]

LYNCH IT WITH FIRE

[Amrun]

PimHel, wouldn't "mislynch scum" catch ANYONE'S eye? Only scum can mislynch scum. His explanation is the best he could give, I suppose, but it just comes down to was it an honest mistake or a scumslip? I can't tell from his minimal posting, so it's on the back burner for now.

GreyICE amuses me, though he can be a little annoying at times, too. In general, though, we've played several games together and got along just fine each time.

[Amrun]

Charlie, please address my posts to you.

[Amrun]

I'm asking you questions because you keep giving unsatisfactory answers.

Ps scum meta means nothing if you don't compare it to town meta, and all of my town meta happens to be when I was very green, though have at it.

But I want to know why you mentioned the New Designers game in the first place. It isn't my first completed scum game. It just happens to have nominated me for a scummy. Why does that make it stand out to you? Did you read the game, or just that I was MVP in that game? No one suspected me in that game.

So from this I take it that you are trying to throw out the possibility that no matter how town my posts appear, I should be lynched.

I was trying to confirm this, but your question dodge will just act as a confirmal instead.

I'm a little flattered and a little frustrated, Charlie.

[Amrun]

Honestly? No, not okay. Please read, Metro.

Also idk why most people are assuming the vote force thing is scum. It could be but it could be third party or town as well.

In no way does it clear Acronach.

P-edit: Grey, are you ASKING him to commit Arishem's scumtell?

Do agree he could easily be scum.

[Amrun]

No, I pretty much agree. His replacement request is fishy in and of itself.

I want acronach lynched today, but Metro is a good place to start tomorrow.

"Lol I'm not going to read the thread because I'm not interesting in scumhunting because I'm scum"

[Amrun]

Ahhhh more dodges from Charlie.

[Amrun]

Okay, but when you throw random accusations out there with NOTHING to back them up -- nothing at all -- it does not make you look good. "Oh, Raivann is SK!" "Why?" "lol idk" "Oh, Amrun has scum meta?" "Relevance?" "lol idk"

Also, vezok, I never suggested I was good in all my scum games all the time. I did do well in the game I got nominated for, ergo the nomination. I also happen to have won all of my scum games so far, but I made a lot of mistakes in the others. That's why it's called learning. You're just mad because I convinced the entire town to elect me as executioner twice in a row as godfather and I used that to get you (cop) killed. I gave up the advantage I had on PURPOSE. It wasn't a mistake. I had solid town reads from the whole game and I compromised it to get some shit done. Perfect scum victory is perfect.

[Amrun]

Charlie: Yes, me as well. You brought up my meta of that game and refuse to answer WHY you did. Why is it relevant? That's all I truly want to know and your refusal to answer reads as, "I just wanted to plant the idea in people's heads."

vezok: Yes, but I wasn't talking about that game at all. Charlie brought up my meta from another game entirely.

[Amrun]

Go, Acronach wagon, go.

Will vote for Charlie, but I get the feeling he is just be frustrating town. Certainly acting scummy enough for a vote, though.

Raivann is town. Will not support.

[Amrun]

Why don't we just lynch Metro today?

I just re-read him and he's pretty obv-scum.

Pine is certainly scummy, though.

Acronach wagon. I still think it's wrong to let it die.

p-edit: I didn't ask for your full, entirely completed thoughts on the game/meta-suggestion, when I asked it. I just asked why you mentioned it and what made you mention it. I don't see how this is a hard question to answer.

[Amrun]

LYNCH ACRONACH WITH FIRE. NOW.

He's trying to accuse people of cheating because they go v/la at similar times. Mudslinging 101.


Also, I can't believe the stupidity I am reading. GreyICE, why did you not just tell everyone why Acronach was chainsawing LLD?

I had notes on him as chainsawing; I just wasn't going to bring it to the thread until after a flip of either LLD or Acronach, as that is when chainsaws REALLY mean something.

I just don't know why no one else is seeing it but GI. In fact, since GI can't articulate it properly, perhaps he doesn't see it either.

Let me say what I see, then:

GreyICE and I are the ONLY people in this thread to express a suspicion of LLD, iirc.

Who does Acronach immediately attack after that? Me and GI.

Then, after expressing no prior suspicion of LLD, Acronach puts LLD in his scummy list. Distancing lol.

If Acronach or LLD flips scum, I'm going after the other. Period. And at this point, I'm pretty sure Acronach will flip scum.

[Amrun]

I would also like to note that Acronach has tried to call no one else scummy for misspelling his name, even those that butcher it, like SharkFinn calling him "Anorach" etc.

[Amrun]

Oops. Sorry. I forgot about that question.

I don't find replacements in general scummy, but when a scummy slot asks to be replaced, ESPECIALLY quietly, out-of-thread, it raises my eyebrows for sure. A lot of people, especially not-so-great players, find being scum to be stressful and can get overwhelmed. It's not a lynchable offence but it most certainly makes me look twice.

Also, the reason I didn't mention the chainsaw in the first place is that it could also be VI OMGUS. I can see the possibility of the chainsaw, but I wasn't going to bring it up until after a flip. The only reason I brought it up now is because Grey was doing, uh ... idk what he's doing, but I think he's town and I saw a chainsaw too so I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Amrun]

I try to say the name of the person I am addressing to make ISOs better for players. Sometimes I forget, but I try. Also, I put an "extra" letter because my brain automatically corrects it to the real world. Technically speaking, it is you that has misspelled your username.

Yes, you put Charlie and Pine on your scumlist, but other people have suspicions of both Charlie and Pine so they're not notable (and they were below us). You never expressed any unique suspicions of either of them.

And your accusations on Metro and NS are just ... awful. Soooo so bad.

Taking legitimate cases against you and simply saying "that's crap" doesn't really mean anything, you know.


Also, the buddying with Grey is not secret at all. Anyone reading the thread can see it. Town alliances are pretty common in games and a powerful tool. I'm not 100% on Grey, as it's too early, but I do take his reads seriously. That's about as far as it extends at the moment.

[Amrun]

But your evidence against it is not very good for most points, but you act like you've invented the wheel.

And achronach is a word.

And my point is you said I was scummy for misspellong your name, but others butcher it and you don't think that's scummy.

[Amrun]

MoI: To clarify, Cicada was null leaning scum before the questionable replacement and the even worse replacement intro post. Still mostly null leaning scum. With like 5 players running around making arses of themselves, a null-scummy-little-content read is hardly worth mentioning. I wanted to observe to see if he would ever post content. Answer: no.

I'll pull some posts etc when I am at the computer. I mostly post from phone in class.

If I missed something addressed to me, remind me because it is a very busy day for me and my reading comprehension is suffering.

[Amrun]

Oh, I did miss some things.

MoI, you can't simultaneously defend Achronach with "he's a Vi" and "he would know better han to do that as scum." Does not compute.

I think Pine is scummy as hell. Haven't had time to ISO him and formulate proper thoughts on him yet.

[Amrun]

MoI, I see that possibility as well. However, since I also find LLD scummy, I see it as a possible chainsaw.

I'm not even totally convinced that's what it is. I was going to keep it to myself til after the flips until it came up in thread.

[Amrun]

I've actually never bothered to look at her scum meta. Add that to my to-do list.

Seemed pretty similar to Walking Dead though. Not sure you can call someone who accidentally quickhammers "focused."

[Amrun]

He puts the rage in Umbrage.

[Amrun]

...Are they both scum?

[Amrun]

Yeah, it's basically impossible that both Acronach and Cojin were from the same mafia team..

[Amrun]

Before I start building cases, etc.:

CHARLIE, I NEVER PLAYED OR READ JURASSIC PARK. I MENTIONED WALKING DEAD, IN WHICH RAIVANN WAS TOWN. FAIL MISREP IS FAIL.

[Amrun]

Care to explain, Lady?

[Amrun]

And they both targetted Cojin? Ironic.

And vezok and Cojin turned up dead.

Hmm.

VOTE: GreyICE

[Amrun]

I do not understand, Grey. You targeted Cojin last night but you didn 't have a role?

Somebody opened up a quicktopic with me for today. I don't know who, or why.

It is called "Red QT" which is scaring me a bit.

Whomever it is, fucking post in there so I can at least know who I'm talking to. kthxbye

p-edit: Honestly, Magistar? No. My reasoning is in the thread, and I'm not bending over backwards to justify why I was on the lynch wagon of SCUM. Jesus H. Christ.

[Amrun]

So HOW DID YOU TARGET SOMEONE LAST NIGHT?

p-edit: Why are you voting for yourself?

[Amrun]

When did I say it was me voting for you? I voted for you, GreyICE.

But you have said that you targetted Cojin last night and that you just got your role this morning from Cojin. I see a contradiction there and I'm asking you to clear it up.

[Amrun]

*you voting for me

[Amrun]

But you have said that you targetted Cojin last night and that you just got your role this morning from Cojin. I see a contradiction there and I'm asking you to clear it up.

I disagree with this.

I could easily be mixing something up. I'm just asking Grey to explain it. It's not that difficult a concept that I'm trying to get clarification.

[Amrun]

I do not understand at all what that role means.

[Amrun]

That's kind of what I thought it meant.

I don't really see that being a town ability, but if it was scum, why would tclaw come out with it like that?

[Amrun]

When did I say it was me voting for you? I voted for you, GreyICE.

But you have said that you targetted Cojin last night and that you just got your role this morning from Cojin. I see a contradiction there and I'm asking you to clear it up.

The vote count said that I was voting for you when I never did.

As for what I said, please read:

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

No, the vote count said I was voting for YOU, which I was.

And are you saying you didn't actually target Cojin last night?


I also find myself agreeing with LLD about this tclaw issue.

VOTE: tclawren

[Amrun]

Failing to see why there can't be two backups.

Also, Grey, I get it now, but your original phrasing was not very good.

[Amrun]

Unlikely that both of those flips were scum, and if scum, the same scum team. Two cops on one scum team lol

[Amrun]

I was referring to the colors. You think that the red color and no reveal of a new wincon means vezok was definitely scum?

[Amrun]

I only wanted your target. Not your role.

I thought Vezok may have died and/or killed Cojin due to your target.

@Fluffy Muff: It's whomever he targets. Passive and Active make no difference.

He was obvtown. You said I was town. Why flop us?

He was not fucking obv town.

And as witnessed by his flip... I was right.

Uh, no.

Both night kills were not on scum. Some scum role is obscuring the color of flips. Plus, my role is town, I refuse to believe I'm the town backup who inherited the powers of scum. That's insane.

I just finished a non-bastard game where there was a town nurse with a scum doctor.

Just throwing it out there.


I don't know what to think about the flips, but I hate whomever opened a QT with me called "Red QT" and then won't post in it so I don't know who it is. SERIOUSLY.

[Amrun]

He inherited Cojin's role. lol

[Amrun]

I seriously doubt vezok was. What's your argument for vezok scum when one of the red flips were town?

p-edit: He does need to stop spamming, but I have no idea how you got the idea that he got vezok's role.

[Amrun]

Yes, I suppose, but he had previously said several time that he inherited Cojin's abilities.

The idea he has of himself where he thinks he speaks clearly is a fallacy, though. Also irrelevant.

[Amrun]

omg jindori, really?

[Amrun]

@mod: Can we get the OP updated, please?

[Amrun]

It also wouldn't be too much trouble to ISO me. He was acting scummy in a spectacular number of ways. One of the biggest ones was suggesting NL only when he was the biggest wagon. He also chainsawed LLD but I never got the chance today to put up my case on that matter.

Acronach is scum because we got his wincon and it was a scum wincon.

[Amrun]

Yes. At least one of them isn't.

[Amrun]

As sad as I am to say this, jindori and shark are likely town.

Magistar is giving me huge gut-scum reads but I can't put my finger on specifics yet.

Pine looking scummier.

Still need to re-read LLD. Post-flip, the chainsaw is valid.

[Amrun]

This is beautiful. A lynch on jindori that isn't policy and practically confirmed scum.

I'm annoyed that I believed them at first. VIs bite me in the ass that way.

VOTE: jindori

[Amrun]

Shark skin being scum means I did catch a scum slip yesterday. I'm almost glad I got distracted by Acronach-scum, because now he brought down jindori with him.

[Amrun]

Fuck this. DO PINE'S ACTIONS CONDEMN SHARK FINN AND JINDORI OR NOT? YES OR NO, PLEASE, FROM AN UNINVOLVED PARTY.

[Amrun]

Fuck this. DO PINE'S ACTIONS CONDEMN SHARK FINN AND JINDORI OR NOT? YES OR NO, PLEASE, FROM AN UNINVOLVED PARTY.

Given that this is a bastard game with tons of possible power interactions - Nope.

What I feel condemns Jindori is his ever evolving claim (oops I wasn't a PGO but a Vig, oh wait I'm not a Vig I just have a vote, oh yeah I have a QT with Shark, oh I forgot to tell you when my role changed I got a 1-shot dayuse of Happiness that enables someone and I used it on LLD even though that's highly inefficent) and his general play.

All right. That's what I thought, but I had to check. The amount of shit-spewing in this thread is unbelievable.

I have a really hard time reading VIs ... like, really extremely difficult for me.

I have just ISOed jindori, though, and I don't think we can trust someone who has so blatantly lied about his role.

I do not support LaL in general, but in most cases, there is no reason for town to lie. He came out with that PGO-type claim ALL BY HIMSELF. It's a classic scum move.

I think I'll stick with my vote on him.

Metro in particular needs to get his ass in here, though.

[Amrun]

FB: Jindori poisoned PimHel. It's been stated several times.

And as for LLD, there are likely multiple scum factions and she knows Acronach chainsawed her yesterday (hopefully) or at least that several people think so. Even scum want to appear town, and her choice of targets and insistence that vezok was scum looks bad to me.

[Amrun]

I'm going to go ahead and say my role is green. If I die and I flip something different, know that I was originally green.

I agree about the pimhel shot. Jindori is probably town now that the pine/shark finn business has been kind of sorted out. My first reaction was to believe them anyway.

VOTE: LLD[/vote

P-edit: got ninjaed like 50 times, no joke.]

[Amrun]

Pine: scum would not kill pimhel. When pimhel dies and lld gets an extra action, we can confirm that that part went through which will mean the rest is probably true.

For now, I'd rather focus on pressuring lurking scum like Metro and Magistar.

[Amrun]

Pine: scum would not kill pimhel. When pimhel dies and lld gets an extra action, we can confirm that that part went through which will mean the rest is probably true.

For now, I'd rather focus on pressuring lurking scum like Metro and Magistar.

Confirming LLD's boost is reliant on her word alone. Please note that she has not said anything about receiving a boost of any kind, and as it is a day phase ability, she would have. On D1, I was targeted by a day phase ability and immediately received notification.

Why wouldn't scum kill PimHel?

Uh.... ISO PimHel.

At that level of content, town was going to have to sooner or later.

This, and it's quite likely that LLD won't get the notification until tonight, when her action(s) become available for use.

[Amrun]

Explain how you are going about your 'pressuring', how that is pro-town, and how I am lurking.

This post? I missed it entirely.

1) With my votes, primarily, but I have other ways.

2) WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT

3) Your post content is relatively low in comparison with most other players. For the record, though, there are several other players with far lower content than you; off of the top of my head, this includes PimHel and Metro. PimHel I'm hoping has been killed by jindori.

[Amrun]

The Mod said we can c/p anything colored from our PMs, iirc (ie our names / role title).

[Amrun]

I don't know, Charlie. Maybe because you've been scummy throughout this game.

Also if this is an implication that you're the one who opened up a quicktopic with me but won't reveal who you fucking are, then the answer is because I hate you.

[Amrun]

So Magistar drops in to ask such pressing questions as "why is pressuring your scumreads pro-town" and then goes away again.

Kill it with fire.

Also, Charlie, we are totally friends. But that doesn't mean you aren't scum. Still deciding on that one.

[Amrun]

Magistar, any response to me? And going after a lurker for no other reason than lurking?

VOTE: magistar ludi

Also, why the new FoS but no vote change.

(And thanks to MoI for pointing out that I wasn't voting for Magistar. I thought I already was for some reason.)

I will be scarce this weekend; I can post to react to things, but don't expect in-depth analysis.

[Amrun]

Clarification: I was town on Occult. Moved to null after pushing bad cases and doing nothing else at all.

Also, glad to see more support for the LLD wagon. Would vote there for sure.

Also agree on Pine. I was leaning scum on him pretty heavily until his rb claim today.

[Amrun]

More suspicious of c-worl now... Raivann wanted to speedlynch Acronach way before he was drawing pressure. For Raivann, that's about as town as you get.

NS wagon is okay. Magistar is better.

Will vote to achoeve lynch, when necessary.

[Amrun]

Magistar: NS meta, simply. NS lynch is okay but a Magistar lynch is better.

[Amrun]

KILL MAGISTAR WITH FUCKING FIRE

[Amrun]

It's okay, Magistar. We have an alternative lynch. It's you.

[Amrun]

I would say "not scum with Magistar" because even though I highly suspect Magistar, he's not that much of an idiot.

[Amrun]

Magua, how is the reported vote-forcer thing "very, very likely scum?" Mind explaining it to me? Acronach being scum makes me think it's more likely town.


NS is an okay lynch for today, but my problem with it is that no matter, we don't really GET anything from him. He's NOT going to respond to cases on him; he never does. If he's scum, he'll probably just self-hammer. The only information we'll get is from how people REACT to the wagon.

What do we GET from that? Not a lot. I'd rather push around some counter-wagons for a bit and see what happens before we lynch NS.

[Amrun]

Magua: So are you saying a town member with a vote-forcing ability should neglect to use it?

And I would certainly follow through with the counter wagon I propsed (Magistar).

Grey: well, there is a limit. The threshold is soon approaching.

In fact...

VOTE: Nobody Special

Magistar still needs to be killed with fire, though.

[Amrun]

Magua: So are you saying a town member with a vote-forcing ability should neglect to use it?

If I had such a power, I would not use it unless I knew the person being lynched was scum (or, alternatively, I would use it to move someone off the lynch of someone I knew to be town).

Would I have any information like that D1? No.

Half of the game is assigning motivations to people based on their actions.

Or let's look at an extreme-case view. Suppose that instead of "force one person's vote to change", it was "force everyone's vote to change", that is, "the person you pick is immediately lynched". Is that a protown power?

Perhaps it's a compulsory ability or has some other facet we don't know.

And yes, that could be a pro-town ability in a b-mod game.


I'm just saying, it's not so cut and dry in a game like this.

[Amrun]

Somebody hammer NS, please.

[Amrun]

Flavor and targets, please, NS.

[Amrun]

By the way, that QT I mentioned that someone started with me, they posted in it once, anonymously, to be like "lol you revealed your identity and I didn't reveal mine" and I was like, "Well, you targeted me, so you know who I am anyway, right?" And then he/she promised to post and never did. As it's called "Red QT," I think it's likely a scum member. Fuck you, whomever you are.

jindori, what is your qt name?

[Amrun]

Also, if anyone tracked anyone to me or something like that, you should totally out that person because of this.

[Amrun]

So can we just lynch Magistarscum now, then?

[Amrun]

VOTE: Magistar Ludi

GOOD WAGON GOGOGO

[Amrun]

We can definitely consider lynching Magna when he's dead, yes.

Or NS could kill him?

[Amrun]

I'm so sick of this day. We better fucking lynch Magistar tomorrow.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Amrun]

Grey, jindori called PimHel shot.

And how are you calling Magister town now? Last page you were willing to lynch him.

[Amrun]

Happy bday, Nik!

[Amrun]

Just a note: probably Surye is telling the truth about the ability.

"Red QT" is probably with Surye/PimHel.

Why did you leave out that part of your roleclaim, Surye?

A) Surye has lied by ommission

B) PimHel was acting like a super scumbag in the QT, staying anonymous and professing glee about it

C) PimHel posted in the QT but never in the thread; proof of active lurking

D) I think Red is a bad guy in Pokemon

E) An anonymous QT is a really scummy ability, especially when lied about

Conclusion: Surye/PimHel scum

Gj jindori, though it appears Surye has the opportunity to kill me instead and probably will. Just kill her afterwards.

[Amrun]

Oh, and, how long am I RBed for?

[Amrun]

Okay, scratch D then. It isn't important. Gary Kasparov isn't a bad guy either.

[Amrun]

Just a note: probably Surye is telling the truth about the ability.

"Red QT" is probably with Surye/PimHel.

Why did you leave out that part of your roleclaim, Surye?

A) Surye has lied by ommission

B) PimHel was acting like a super scumbag in the QT, staying anonymous and professing glee about it

C) PimHel posted in the QT but never in the thread; proof of active lurking

D) I think Red is a bad guy in Pokemon

E) An anonymous QT is a really scummy ability, especially when lied about

Conclusion: Surye/PimHel scum

Gj jindori, though it appears Surye has the opportunity to kill me instead and probably will. Just kill her afterwards.

I didn't think it was necessary as you have already stated that you had a QT with me.

A) Rather dramatic.
B) I can't really address this one, one of the problems of replacement. The initial anonymity was given by the mod, why he rolled with it I did not understand.
C) He really stopped posting both places, and then got replaced. He posted in the QT ONCE, with a "real post tomorrow" reply that was never followed through with, because he went MIA.
D) Hero, woo.
E) Again, don't know the motivation on keeping up the Anonymity, but the initial anonymity may be a bmod thing.

Though what I find interesting is, you have either ignored or do not follow my ultimate point. In which convincing me ask scum is not entirely useful, as like you said, that just means my own death tomorrow. If I could redirect the kill, why would I tell everyone and ask for an analysis of you if I had not wanted to scumhunt?

Oh, and, how long am I RBed for?

You are not RB'd. But you are jailed until I am dead.

What is the flavor of your action Surye?

/me loves Pokemon

The rules forbid quoting from the PM, so I will paraphrase, hoping that is okay.

• There's the "catching" ability, which is a one time target selection.
  
• The QT thread. Note the ability reads nothing about the Anonymity.
  
• I can choose to send her out at night, and while she's out, anything targeting me redirects to her.
  
• I can recall her at night.
  
• Only once, I can redirect her target at night for an (A)ction.
  
• And if I die, she's released.

She didn't post at all during the day, iirc. Just in qt.

And no, I clearly had no idea whm I had a qt with.

And it's been blatantly stated by the mod that if someone protects you tonight, you'll be saved, so you as scum would have every motivation to appear town.

State without a doubt that I wasn't poisoned in your stead.

[Amrun]

I also have reason to think I am RBed. If anyone else RBed me, they should speak up. If not, Ssurye is lying scum caught in her second lie.

[Amrun]

I was, but then she said she did NOT RB me.

[Amrun]

Yes, I meant day 2. So your supposed jailkeeping ability doesn't r b? I find that so hard to believe.

And i have proof that PimHel was active lurking, posting in qt but not in thread. She probably saw she'd been poisoned and just gave up.

[Amrun]

Acronach focus and loss of focus is sort of odd, but I might have missed something in context in the ISO.

Did you take Acronach being lynched into consideration?

Wow, I feel dumb. I had a feeling I missed something in context, and I was so focused on her posts, I forgot about the lynch (since I read all the posts pretty quick last night at 1am).

So that was a stupid mistake, and in light of that, I am even more steadfast in my opinion that she is town, and worth me taking the hit.

Yes, he was lynched and he flipped scum. Yes, I was very sure of him. I was right, though. I'm also pretty sure of Magistarscum. Could be wrong, but let's hope not.

Given your recent posting, I feel as if you could be town. I don't think scum would treat me thus.

Are you SURE I haven't been roleblocked by your ability? Re-read your role PM. I won't know for sure I've been RB until day end, by which point it will be too late, and there's already another RB claim who did not target me.

If a protective role targets you, it might not be the worst thing in the world.

p-edit: Grey, I agree, but I also feel as if there are multiple third parties if that's the case.

[Amrun]

You have a scumread on Magna. We know. I'm not even disagreeing. I overall agree; I just personally feel more sure about Magisterscum. Can we just get the hammer so we can move on, please, and stop wasting gametime?

[Amrun]

Amrun, 100%. Pimhel made one action, capturing you. There is no RB in that ability in the pm. Unless it is a bmod thing, I did not RB you.

Okay, well maybe scum RBed me or something. :/

[Amrun]

VOTE: MagistarLudi

COME ON, GUYS. SCUM IS SCUM.

[Amrun]

I WAS blocked yesterday; idk if I was blocked today.

[Amrun]

Explain, Pine.

VOTE: Pine

[Amrun]

Occult, are you kidding me? I'm the only one left alive who thinks LLD is scum. I'd push her lynch harder if it had any shred of support. I'd joyfully lynch LLD. In fact, I mean to make a case on her at some point today. I've been meaning to do it since yesterday, but it's finals week for me and shinier things keep distracting me.

Fuzzy Beavers, are you not now a confirmed SK, so should we not lynch you for this?

Still, no reason to lie as Pine as has done. He's been scummy since D1 and only his claims have kept him out of my spotlights.

VOTE: Pine

Scum still to be lynched:

Magistar Ludi
LLD
Metro
MagnaOfIllusion (in honor of GreyICE, rip)

[Amrun]

I'm also going to be much lower access then I would like this week, what with finals and tennis. I will try and post as much as possible though.

Amrun, do you realize you
a. already were voting for Pine
b. Have other people like Me (seriously, check my iso) who believe LLD is anti-town.
c. Use GreyICE's scum read on Magna as an excuse to lynch him, yet GreyICE's town read at end of day on me is ignored?

You can't have it both ways.

a. No. I'm scatterbrained atm and very stressed out form school.

b. No, but as I said, I do intend to make a case on her at some point today.

c. It's not an "excuse." I agreed with Grey's points on MoI but not on his supposed town read of you which I don't even remember. He definitely agreed with me that you were scummy on several different occasions. The "in honor of Grey" was mostly a joke.

[Amrun]

In Toto, the name of the master of the Basilisk Ring is Chopin. THAT is where you got that name from. Yes, the previous possessor's name was indeed Chopin, followed by Dr. Horrible, followed by nobody, followed by Dr. Horrible.

What the FUCK does that mean?

[Amrun]

So how does that mean that NS enabled you, Pine, if he should be enabling someone named Chopin?

[Amrun]

WHO FUCKING CALLED LUDI AS SK

THAT'S RIGHT, BITCHES

I DID

CHECK THAT DEAD THREAD FOR MY AWESOMENESS

Dead thread influence was cool, even though no one listened to me. I hate PimHel for ruining my role which I planned to have a lot of fun with.

[Amrun]

Rico act, but he flaked.

I SO wanted to suicide bomb scum.

I convinced Surye to release me for a night so I could rack up some counters, but Magua tried to kill me that night... If I'd just let it be, that kill would have killed Surye instead and I'd have been released. -.-

[Amrun]

Go ahead and post the QT, Surye.

Btw, no resentment to Surye, who was already locked into PimHel's bad choices.

[Amrun]

I DETECT SOME BUTTHURT HERE

You played a terrible game, Acronach. That's why you got lynched d1.

I called the SK and got NK by scum, presumably because it was clear I would not be lynched.

I'm not going to say this was my best game, because it wasn't, but it's pretty clear that I played a hell of a lot better than you, so I ask you kindly to keep your mouth shut.

[Amrun]

Like MAGUA was pushing for?!

I clearly rode Ludi the most from the second he replaced in and even called his role correctly in the dead thread.

/ego

[Amrun]

That doesn't matter. I still pushed harder than Magua.