Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Empking

Reasonless RVS are p.bad, and I got 3 people to choose from, so i pick the middle one.

Also I'm V/LA until monday just wanted to point that out.

[Sakura Hana]

Hello. Not invested in this game, so will be experimenting with minimalistic posting.

Vote: kanyeknowsbest

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I heard you dont like playing as scum.

Unvote
Vote: mastin2

[Sakura Hana]

Eh missed it while skimming

Reasonless RVS are p.bad, and I got 3 people to choose from, so i pick the middle one.

why?

Reasonless votes give no info, even a random reason can be analyzed.

[Sakura Hana]

Nah it's fine Nati, I'm trying to improve in that regard... keyword trying tho. Also I still find it odd how those 2 guys seem to always vote together the same person.

*skimmed most of the posts because LA*

[Sakura Hana]

I just went and ISO'd you to find your question

Then how is a random vote any better?

My vote wasn't 100% random, i think at least 1 of you 3 is scum so i went ahead and picked one at random.

[Sakura Hana]

why do you think at least 1 out of 3 of the people doing a reasonless vote are scum?

1) I said "at least"
2) I've seen 3 people drop votes on me in a rapid manner in RVS in another game and 1 of them was scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually when i went back to look for that game I remembered 2 of the 3 ppl in the rapid voting were scum.

[Sakura Hana]

What else are you thinking? What do you think of my reads?

You're the almighty nacho, so i shall... follow your reads I also agree with you on mastin, and the rest of his posts dont dissapoint in that regard.

[Sakura Hana]

Let's make it 9 stupid votes then.

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

L-2

[Sakura Hana]

Last post by Mastin is moving him more towards town, Majiffy's only posts are full of nothing.

[Sakura Hana]

I still have yet to re-read the other 9 pages tho, just in case I missed something while I was V/LA and was skimming.

[Sakura Hana]

Could you explain your reads on DV, pieguy and wayne?

Your quote on wayne looks like you didnt like his reasoning.

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't liked your posts so far :/

Well sorry but I can't make you like my posts every single game.

On other news i think kanye and Matias are town, so by PoE from the pool of 3.

Unvote
Vote: Empking

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't really seen anything from it.

What i got from it was that kanye and Matias are townreads for me.

[Sakura Hana]

although you can see this as a spiritual vote for Sakura as well.

Good, dont hold back on me just because of how I may react.

[Sakura Hana]

No, it's because I legitimately only have one vote and two slots I want to keep pressure on. If you want, I can give you the vote.

VOTE: Sakura hana

This is now a spiritual vote for NachoKoopa.

No, what i said is that i agreed to you not holding back on me, however this makes it better anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you have a townread on Majiffy?

Nope, but his latest post moved him back up to null.

[Sakura Hana]

@Mastin-

I get scumvibes from Mat. You have him as town. Discuss.

I have mat as town too, why didnt you ask me about him as well?

[Sakura Hana]

@AGar: I highly doubt Levi will flip scum, js.

[Sakura Hana]

Could you clarify that? I don't get your last post.

[Sakura Hana]

Talah, idc what you do or not do atm.

My mind's on Levi atm.

[Sakura Hana]

I could make a "why you shouldn't vote leviathan By: Sakura Hana" but i'll save it for later.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: talah

You seem too concerned about how you're coming across.

[Sakura Hana]

How about you start by explainign your early claim? your doing scummy stuff on purpose to what end? and you trying to say that you're obvtown?

[Sakura Hana]

I already said multiple times he's super town, but I can't explain why yet.

[Sakura Hana]

My answer is if you're really 1-shot tracker why wouldnt you use your ability first and THEN claim.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry guys i wasnt here because it was my dad's bday i'll also be away tomorrow (Sunday) for now i feel pretty confident nacho's town if he's not guess i'll notice over the course of the game.

Unvote

Because I always sheep nacho d1

Proxy vote to Nachokoopa

[Sakura Hana]

Aww proxy vote not allowed? that's kind of boring :<

Vote: Empking

[Sakura Hana]

@PV: Except me and levi are town.

[Sakura Hana]

pie sounds a lot like the town pie i know just saying.

[Sakura Hana]

Me and pieguy came from another site, it makes sense that I know how he plays, even if I only played with him a little on that other site.

[Sakura Hana]

Sak isn't acting like Sak

How am i not acting like me? I mean I'd understand if you said that I wasn't acting like in X game or like the scum Sakura you know or like the Town Sakura you know, but this sounds really awkward.

[Sakura Hana]

There's no emotion because I'm trying to improve in that regard.

[Sakura Hana]

When did i ever do wall posting?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakuras town yo.

So you got day cop?

Maybe, or maybe he's been picking up on the crumbs i've been leaving almost all thread.

[Sakura Hana]

But at least she still falls for set ups.

lol'd

[Sakura Hana]

pieguy's been playing mafia for at least a year longer than I have just saying, I did come to MS before he did tho (we come from the same site)

[Sakura Hana]

What in the...

[Sakura Hana]

No i was talking about the rollover text and the vote at the right side.

[Sakura Hana]

This is still town pie btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Sakura wanna kill Agar with me?

Maybeeee.

@waynegg: You didnt answer my question regarding quote walls.

[Sakura Hana]

Exactly, and you apparently cant read signatures either.

[Sakura Hana]

she's playing differently now? that would literally negate any and all meta you have on her...

That's because you don't know how meta works.

I'm trying to fix the emotional playstyle I have, but try as I might there are aspects of me that won't ever change.

Nat, you still haven't told me why I should vote AGar

[Sakura Hana]

Tbf i'd do anything towards my wincon as either alignment, so you have a right to doubt their meta reads on me, but arent YOU using meta to scumread me? sayign im not being emotional and stuff.

[Sakura Hana]

levi, we need to talk.

[Sakura Hana]

@levi: Tell me why is Agar town?
@Nati: Tell me why is Agar scum?

[Sakura Hana]

812 is just pokemon talk with an Agar vote, so im asking you.

[Sakura Hana]

yeah if you're gonna toy around like that i dont see a reason for voting him =/

[Sakura Hana]

Majiffy: Maybe it would help to read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31070

[Sakura Hana]

So, when you scum claimed it was truthful?

It couldn't be since there's literally 0% chance of him being scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Agar

I'm running out of ideas so it's my "sheep nacho" last resort.

[Sakura Hana]

Majiffy I know you're better than this, and your whole "Why would I get you lynched when I could NK you" sucks, there's 2 claimed PRs that I remember, and you obviously want to lynch one and NK the other, so you get rid of 2 PRs in 1 day.

Let's let scum work hard to get rid of the PRs shall we?

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

Can't believe you're lynching a claimed Vig, because they MAY be SK/Scum. AtP much?

[Sakura Hana]

Majiffy is a claimed PR. (1-shot watcher.)

Wait what?, shows how much attention I'm paying to this game.

Unvote
Vote: AGar

[Sakura Hana]

Ok let's see where this goes

Unvote
Vote: Kalimar

[Sakura Hana]

"Oh hey let's kill a strong town player" wtf was with that daykill.

[Sakura Hana]

My vote's not moving.

Except votes were reset, unless you prefer to leave yourself not voting.

[Sakura Hana]

Also

Vote: Kalimar

[Sakura Hana]

Not full scum dayvigs.

X-Shot means unlimited shots or just that he doesn't wanna say the ammount of shots he has.

[Sakura Hana]

Can we not wagon AA9 for no reason and instead just read her? She can be town without being pushed first, you know.

Where did this go?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not wagonning her to read her.

Then why are you wagoning her? Do you already think she's scum? Why?

[Sakura Hana]

unless they absolutely have to.

Is being close to lynch with around 9 ppl in your wagon going for your blood an "absolutely have to"?

Who else do you think we should vote if every fricken person that we've voted have claimed some sort of PR?

P-Edit: nevermind your 2 above posts answer my second question.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh ok, what do you think of his target?

[Sakura Hana]

And one more question before I forget since I'm going to sleep, do you think pieguy's crumb (which he linked) is BS, or not or what, considering you want Majiffy to sell you on his lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

so that he can make anti-town kills before we decide to lynch him

How about lynching the person who already made an anti-town kill before we managed to lynch him?

[Sakura Hana]

and derptown gets wagoned to 9 votes?

[Sakura Hana]

My point is, if they werent scummy the wouldn't have been wagoned, and they made an anti-town kill already.

[Sakura Hana]

town motivation

So run through me the town motivation behind mastin's kill

[Sakura Hana]

>Wagon on Kali didn't start until Mastin provided arguments against Kali
>Wagon springs up
>Kali sees push as scum-motivated (particularly with staying off the wagon)
>Kali shoots perceived scum

Yessir, this is a surefire case of dumb-not-scum.

Point taken

Unvote

I still don't think Pie is the best lynch for today tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I promise some sort of effort today.

If like 5-6 people wagoned my ass i would have an added incentive.

But really, will read, post thoughts.

I

am making an effort to make an effort.

short thoughts that are baselesss and more gut,

based on the few posts I have read

as of late.

Talah is town.

Majiffy vexes me.

Vote: Sven

Ok time to get that incentive going!

[Sakura Hana]

Kill town,

don't explain

, conftown.

What does this look like then:

I was contemplating waiting on this because I simply haven't had time to read this game properly.

However, I've found mastin's push on me dodgy from the start and I've had a gut bad feeling there all game. I'm usually pretty good at detecting inauthentic pushes.

[Sakura Hana]

basically because I don't like to be facepalmed, I think it's cheap and cheesy and the one emoticon which should not be used under any circumstances.

[Sakura Hana]

Majiffy why dont u want to give a chance to pie to shoot scum tonight? something your SUPER TOWNY Kalimar didnt do?

[Sakura Hana]

Were 22 hours from giving scum the huge advantage of making the first kill

Deadline: 5 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes

Am I missing something?

[Sakura Hana]

Also we already gave scum the huge advantage of making the first kill the momment Kalimar shot mastin, js.

[Sakura Hana]

Even if you think pie is town, killing him and eliminating the obv scum choice for NK forces their hand to have to choose thereby giving more chance for POE.

And also denies town a chance to get a NK on scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually waynegg scumslipped now that I think about what Sven mentioned...

Unvote
Vote: waynegg

[Sakura Hana]

But its not a scumslip, its either intentional from scum, or retard town.

I disagree, why would he call someone an "obv scum kill" if he thought said person was scum.

[Sakura Hana]

If he thinks he's an obv scum kill that means he thinks he's town, not scum, since scum wouldnt kill themselves.

[Sakura Hana]

It means that you want us to lynch town that is an obv scum kill so scum doesnt have to kill them and then has to kill someone else, why would scum kill him if he's scum?

[Sakura Hana]

killing him and eliminating the obv scum choice for NK forces their hand to have to choose thereby giving more chance for POE.

Why would town even do this.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh hey Sven is suddenly agreeing with me. (I think?)

[Sakura Hana]

So let's say we have an innocent child, would you lynch the innocent child since scum obviously wants to kill him and you would get no info from the NK?

P-Edit: SO LET SCUM KILL HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM YOURSELF HERE JEESH.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok then let's play waynegg's game, I think Majiffy is scum and im going to want him lynched today to take away the obv NK on a watcher since we gain no info from it.

From waynegg's logic, this is the correct way of playing. In fact, Majiffy can use his PR to confirm that pieguy indeed killed who we wanted him to kill. So can talah. But NO he rather NOT use his PR to confirm his suspicions about pieguy and instead he rather lynch him.

[Sakura Hana]

talah = 1 shot tracker
majiffy = watcher (forgot if 1 shot or not)

[Sakura Hana]

A tracker would see who his/hers target visist?

A Watcher sees who visits his/hers target?

Pretty much, yes, He's been saying "He wont follow what we decide" well he can use his watcher ability to confirm that he followed what town said, or talah can use his tracker ability too, pretty much, Town has 2 PRs that can confirm whether pieguy did during the night what town intended him to do, one of them being Majiffy, and he still prefers to lynch him rather than confirm him during the night.

[Sakura Hana]

And now waynegg resorts to Ad Honem or however it's called.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you have any basis to suggest there's even a bus driver role in this game?

[Sakura Hana]

Heck you can even use your watch on pieguy so you confirm if anyone attempted anything on him, and if he's NK you caught scum, if you're NK'd... that'd be great actually.

[Sakura Hana]

What is more likely scum vig or scum watcher

[Sakura Hana]

Considering there are two vig claims and the likelihood of both of them being town-aligned is approximately less than zero...?

While one is X-Shot?

[Sakura Hana]

Pray tell how you would balance a game involving an unlimited shot nightvig, an x-shot dayvig, a 1 shot tracker and a 1 shot watcher all town-aligned, plus however many other PRs we have we don't know about yet.

Idk I can think of crazy examples like Lightning Rod, Rolestopper, Roleblocker, Ninja, Bulletproof, Godfather, what have you.

[Sakura Hana]

and there's no real confirmation needed

Certainly seems to be a big deal for Majiffy who doesnt believe he will kill who we tell him to kill.

[Sakura Hana]

Also I thought this was a large. How come I'm consistently arguing with the same 3 scumbutts and everyone else is just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses?

And here I thought you were the busy one who didn't have time to post.

P-Edit: Ok Nacho, I can buy that

Unvote
Vote: AA9

[Sakura Hana]

And here I thought you were the busy one who didn't have time to post.

I've functionally had three days off and it has been wonderful.

So everyone else also has three days off?

[Sakura Hana]

The fact that she's posting elsewhere and avoiding this game convinced me.

[Sakura Hana]

And you checked that yourself? Or did you just trust the statement?

Yes I did

just now...

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Beli, do you have anything else to comment on?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura

Hi

I'm happy with a vig between (Empking | Majiffy | Waynegg) and like you AA9 as well if she's not lynched.

Also do NOT vig levi like ever.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not saying AA9 could be scum here, but her inactivity is at most null.

The thing is that she was posting like 3-5 times a day on multiple games but here.

[Sakura Hana]

leviathan is your guy.

Ehhh...
no

[Sakura Hana]

Actually, you're wrong, I've only won LyLo once and that was because there was confscum on it, all other LyLos as town i've screwed it up. I'm still on the process of improving tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Care to explain that?

@Tammy: Levi's town, i've said this numerous times.

P-edit: Nevermind i think that explained what i was asking.

[Sakura Hana]

The only problem I have with waynne and majiffy is that they want pie dead.

Why do you think Levi's not town?

[Sakura Hana]

Actually better question, do you have any meta on levi that would suggest to him being scum instead of VI-like Town?

[Sakura Hana]

Vi's are good vig targets no matter their alignment.

He has been acting like that for actual town-motivated reasons tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Suddenly the thread goes silent

[Sakura Hana]

kanye is town, so no.

[Sakura Hana]

The only thing worrying me a this point is that there has been so much noise (I admit i contributed to that) in the Kalimar/Majiffy/Waynegg and stuff fight back there, and now we're just crossing arms and doing almost nothing and when deadline's really close we're gonna end up panicking like children on a building on fire and flash lynching someone who will most probably flip town.

[Sakura Hana]

What character did Levi claim btw?

[Sakura Hana]

oh and I'm Tolle Koenig

Ah here we have it.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm Miriallia Haw, I'm neighbors with Leviathan.

Not sure if that makes sense or not flavorwise, since i've never watched Gundam Seed, but I'll let people who know the flavor help me in the regards to whether this helps find out levi's alignment or not. Tho I don't think I need to explain I've been townreading him from the QT as I've hinted to that in many posts.

[Sakura Hana]

Derp? What does scum gain from knowing about our neighborhood except that we got a private channel of communication? And when there's a chance that either of us can be scum? If anything letting town know about this will explain the way we act towards each other.

[Sakura Hana]

I never said if my suit has abilities or not, im just saying that i share a neighborhood with Levi.

[Sakura Hana]

yeah i read that post the first time and i hated it then i still hate it now.

You're not the only one.

[Sakura Hana]

So you're claiming that you have a suit?

Maybe I do, Maybe I don't.

In either case all information i'm letting out is that I'm in a neighborhood with levi.

But yeah I don't know anything about Gundam seed.

the only gundam series i watched was gundam wing

[Sakura Hana]

whos your #1 prettiest most handsome gundam pilot?

Was this directed at me?

And i havent watched gundam seed, so i'd assume this is about Gundam Wing.

[Sakura Hana]

i thought all you needed was to highlight.

[Sakura Hana]

You have a lot of favorite tells dont you?

[Sakura Hana]

So I was going through Wake's ISO, because I was pretty sure he didnt provide any reasoning for his AA9 vote, turns out... I was half-right, and found other things that pinged me.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Oh, and who's leading that wagon and why are people joining it?

Most ironic post ever.

If we don't get to L-1/L-2 within 3 days, the lynch might not happen. Experience tells me a lynch is better than a no-lynch early game.

This sounds like you're compromising rather than having reasons.

Because it takes more effort to get ten other contentious and paranoid people to agree with you.

Not a good reason imo, i've seen flashwagons/lynches happen, specially after claims.

At this point I don't know enough about the surrounding players to give proper reads.

So you haven't read the thread yet? Why are you voting AA9 as a compromise lynch then?

Do you suspect this game includes abilities that activate every other Night/Day?

What was the point of this question?

Considering I just got here, and assuming you're Town

So you're

assuming

he's town? what do you

assume

AA9 is?

Well it's good to hear you reaffirm my suspicions. I'll be sure to comb through your ISO tomorrow. Thanks!

Did you do this yet?

If you read my ISO, you'll know why. Reading is fundamental.

You haven't provided reasons other than compromise lynch, which means you got no reason at all for your vote, kanye's question still stands.

Read my ISO. Don't ask me questions I've already answered.

Keep up the anti-Town behavior and I'll send a vote your way.

How about

you

read kanye's ISO and tell me what's anti-town about it?

If he's a boor who doesn't read

Have

you

read the thread yet?

Point in Point, he votes AA9 because it's a compromise lynch, yet he questions the people on his wagon, and doesnt give any other explanation as to why he's on that wagon, accuses kanye of not reading his ISO, when he hasn't even read the thread to notice why people are voting AA9.

Unvote
Vote: Wake99

[Sakura Hana]

Like I said, I voted for AA9 because we have less than two days left, and a lynch is better than a no-lynch.

This is the exact definition of compromise lynch

Sadly, one of our Townies was unable to read up and grasp this point. Although he's not particularly sophisticated.

Let me re-iterate, do you have reasons to believe AA9 is scum? if not, then your vote on her is for a compromise lynch, tho now you believe kanye is scum because he didnt read your "reasons" when you never provided them, compromise lynch is not good enough reason, it's not like we have less than 10 hours to vote. A quick run through nachokoopa's ISO should give you the reasons why AA9 is being voted, but you don't feel like doing that, heck from AA9's ISO and Mine you can also see why she's being voted, it's simple enough to find why she's being voted, why haven't you done as such?

I didn't expect you to be so deliberately ignorant. Then again, Scum is known to do that.

>Calls me ignorant for no reason.
>Ignores other's peoples reason for voting AA9.
K

No way in hell am I going to read through over 1,500 posts.

Good to know, but you said you were going to read before, you never said you werent going to read nor asked anyone to give you any summary, so i dont believe that this stance is genuine, looks like you're looking for a excuse for not reading now that I called you out on not reading.

Then you ask what the point of my question was to Talah(?), and my comment to Majiffy.

Good to know that you know how to comment on questions, how about you answer the actual question?

Darn right I'm going to question why people are voting AA9. I already said I didn't know him/her, but hey, we got less than two days left to get eleven duckies in a row. Kanye asked me a question that, if he read just one or two pages back, he'd damn well know the answer to. NOW EITHER you two are Scum working to help each other out, or you, Sakura, need to re-evaluate the difference between 2 pages, and 70.

tl;dr: "I was compromising on AA9 because I don't know her, the people questioning me on such actions are scum"
K

[Sakura Hana]

Anyways, got any questions you'd like to ask?

Why does having a suit make you town?

[Sakura Hana]

Pretty hard to fake-claim exact characters and things from some obscure manga universe, isn't it?

You do know that the mod would give fake claims to scum right? That being said tho, I already claimed my character, do you think wrt your flavor = alignment expectancy am i town, scum or TP?

P-Edit: it isn't stupid, it's called avoiding people from breaking your game via flavor.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum does make people mad at times on person to sow dissension and contention.

Counterpoint: Wisdom, a MS player who always death tunnels on others causes anger on most of his targets, and is one of the main reasons of many of my emotional outbursts that many people know me from, does it as either alignment.

Personality-tell not Alignment-tell

[Sakura Hana]

Tbh, if he didnt know about usual fakeclaims given by mods, then he's prob. town now that I think about it, He still needs to get his vote off the obvtown kanye tho.

Unvote
Vote: AA9

[Sakura Hana]

Damn I envy you, SK is like the only thing I've never been, wonder what it is like.

On other news, I still want AA9 dead.

[Sakura Hana]

I wanna speedlynch DrD then.

I agree with this sentiment as well.

But what's the difference with policy vigging AA9 and speedlynching DrD and the opposite?

[Sakura Hana]

Alright

Unvote
Vote: DrD

[Sakura Hana]

i think if anything scum's gonna shoot pie.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm also up for waynegg lynch for voting my

mason partner

neighbor

[Sakura Hana]

If it's really 1v1 i'd happily vote waynegg than someone with the ability to NK scum.

[Sakura Hana]

but that would be our fault, not the SK's

[Sakura Hana]

Scum will 100% hit someone not Scum, the SK/Vig have a chance of hitting scum at least.

Same chance we have of hitting Scum with a lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Pedit are you another one of those who think that lynches are based on numbers and not relations and screw ups?

You know we can give pie someone to shoot based off those relations too right?

[Sakura Hana]

I think we all agreed on AA9 eating SK's bullets.

[Sakura Hana]

Or direct the SK towards scum so they HAVE to NK him

[Sakura Hana]

Well then let the SK kill whoever the fuck they want, if they want to win they have to take out mafia at some point and from experience they usually want to they them out BEFORE they take out town, and at that point we can just lynch him anyways, worst case scenario we lynch him BEFORE lylo is inminent. It's like... you arent even giving him a chance to shoot scum.

P-Edit: You didnt see the size of AA9 wagon before the SK claim?

[Sakura Hana]

Check this out Titus, and once again AA9 is suspected for posting nothing in here while posting actively elsewhere.

[Sakura Hana]

Also Mafia CANNOT win while the SK is still alive, so they'll eventually have to NK pie at some point.

[Sakura Hana]

So how many more chances does have pieguy to hit town than Titus?

[Sakura Hana]

pieguy's an SK, titus is an X-Shot Dayvig, what's the difference? both are uninformed and are probably going to follow the uninformed majority.

[Sakura Hana]

If you aren't voting Pie, refute my arguments. Immediately.

Gladly.

1) It's a very risky maneuver to claim SK as scum, because if for some reason your lynchpool is full of scum, or for some reason your only target is scum, you'd be found out, and if you're still alive after several days you'll be found out too.

2) It's more likely for an SK to claim Vig than Scum to claim Vig, since then scum cannot explain the lack of a second kill, while an SK will be the source of a second kill.

3) SK is a Neutral/Third Party role... NOT scum, scum HAVE to get rid of him as much as we do since he cant joint, but he can help town until scum undoubtedly NKs him.

4) Leaving a leashed SK alive maximizes our chances at killing scum per day due to having 2 kills a day, while scum STILL can only kill once a day.

5) Eventually if he's not dead when reaching LyLo he has to be lynched before then.

[Sakura Hana]

Expanding on #3 obviously if he doesnt follow our advice, we lynch him.

[Sakura Hana]

I would also be unbelievably happy with an Empking flashwagon.

I support this sentiment, remember back in RVS when i said one of the 3 was scum?

[Sakura Hana]

SAYS THE GUY WHO KILLED OBVTOWN MASTIN.

I'm reading this and i dont know if to laugh or facepalm.

[Sakura Hana]

So scum dayvig you say? so we're fighting against a scum dayvig and an SK? is that your reasoning?

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Majiffy, if he is indeed an SK like he says.... HOW IN THE BALLOONEY WOULD HE KNOW WHO IS SCUM FROM A LIST.

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I'll go with both if that's all it takes for you to drop your Ad Hom on me and try to lynch non-Third Party scum.

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How many shots do I think you have? why do I care how many shots you have? you could've 1 and be WIFOMing so scum NKs you instead of a PR, or you could have more and WIFOMing so scum doesn't NK you. I don't care how many shots you have and if you have more then we can direct your shots tomorrow and the days to come anyway.

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or a really obvtown player

Which takes us back to Titus... but still we can also leash her from D2 onwards if she has left-over shots.

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but let's get the confTP first.

FTFY and i still disagree, having a leashed SK is like having a Vig.

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So Majiffy, scum needs to kill the SK to achieve their wincon, who's the one helping with that?

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Sakura, town needs to kill the SK to win as well. I don't get your point there.

But we will leash the SK and use it as a vig, scum is a minority we could pretty much hold 2 vote sessions, 1 for the lynch and 1 for the SK kill if we wanted to. If scum wants to WIFOM they'll have to RB/Protect against the SK and that's one less action taken against town's valuable PRs, if he's not dead in 2-3 days then we can prob. lynch him at that point. Or better yet, if you still have shots you can kill him yourself later on.

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Leave doubts for when after they've given you a reason to doubt, not before. It's like you're taking pre-emptive measures for no reason.

PEd: @Titus: That's why we give him choices of possible scum, if he shoots the towniest of the 3 that's his own problem, at least he isn't shooting the towniest of all town, and you never know they might flip scum.

PEd2: If he claims being redirected or bused then we can lynch him, until then, nope.

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Titus be careful with who you buddy with, dont forget C9++

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Yeah Titus

Nacho's

a way better role model than jiffy.

FTFY

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ou are faced with Tommy Who Looks Scummy versus Sam Who Is Actually Scum. What's your incentive to kill Sam over Tommy?

And how can pieguy, an SK, tell the difference between who's actually scum and who's just scummy?

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it would naturally be in the SK's interest to shoot the town player.

Why?

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Also if the town's giving him a pool of shoots it's people town was planning to eventually lynch, so what's the issue? Scum losses potential mislynches too

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But pieguy has another ability that lets someone else know if anything happens to him doesnt it? That at least let's us find any scum that try to shoot him or roleblock him.

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Well something like that.

I'm Rau Le Creuset

I pilot the Providence Gundam

I know that Mu La Flaga is in the game and he knows my character is in the game

I get informed whenever a. one of us targets the other, b. we target the same person in one day or night phase, or c. the same person targets us in one day or night phase. I don't get told exactly which one of those it is tho. flavorized as a mental link. I did some research on flavor so I kind of understand it o.o

I'm investigation immune flavorized as a "neutron jammer canceller"

I win when I'm alive and everyone else is dead or nothing can prevent that from happening

I forgot Mu La Flaga knows I'm in the game. it could explain why the hell people were pushing SK on me so hard

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I wouldnt be opposed to a Majiffy lynch atm.

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No

you

aren't interested in doing anything pro-town, you've just declared that you're just going to be useless and yell at us all days until pie dies.

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HE'S FUCKING CLAIMED THIRD PARTY

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COULD BE =/= IS. YOU ATP TOO MUCH AT THIS POINT.

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Pseudo-voting for a Majiffy NK

and if Majiffy flips scum im speedlynching waynegg.

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{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

I agree, or we could lynch empking today.

Majiffy's the best one to kill atm anyway, as he has already stated he's gonna be useless.

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I'm fine with that pool btw.

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He basically says it's in his best interest to get rid of someone that can shoot the members of his faction (scum).

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After La Isla de la Muerte I have a feeling waynegg never makes sense.

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People, get on the SK wagon.

We're running out of time.

How about you get on the DrD wagon instead.

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Pie is confessed SK.

Whom we got leashed.

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Man, I really hate this "Third Party = Scum" mentality

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It's crap like that that has made town lose before, specially when said Third Party has agreed to cooperating with town.

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and deasvil, sven , pyro - your votes are in no use...put them in a better place.

Like DrD for instance.

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Link please?

Sakuna, link me to where town has lost by not trusting the SK or other third party

It's in another site, but same result anyway: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2625679

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You just gave good info to scum Titus...

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Yeah i think that was hammer.

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Well I just skimmed, and I think Nacho might be scum, also thinking my neighborhood partner might be scum considering he almost ignored me all night.

be back when my V/LA is over.

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There's like 0 chance scum and pie crosskilled on a regular scenario, there's no reason for scum to kill AA9 unless they wanted to try to crosskill with pie, however, they didn't know exactly who would pie kill i think? unless we/he made it too obvious.

Now, on my neighborhood I commented on the flip making me shift towards Nacho and my partner stayed silent for almost all night, and he only replied when I posted my V/LA on the nighborhood why would he avoid talking in the nighborhood, makes me wonder wether he has another QT, like... a scum QT. I'd think a town neighbor would be more likely to share his opinions with their partner in case either is NK'd.

Also after Noon my time (in 2 hours) im gonna be completely V/LA until Monday, until then it's just LA.

People on my lynch pool today in order of want most, to want least.

leviathan, Nacho, pieguy.

If we leash pieguy again I want him to NK levi if we dont lynch him. At this point, i could care less if we lynch pie or not, but I want that WIFOM gone.

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Implication, is Nacho your neighbor Sakura?

No, it's Levi.

I'm suspecting Nacho because of the sudden push on DrD shifting from AA9 yesterday and DrD flipped town, before Nacho pushed him yesterday DrD was suspecting Nacho.

I'm suspecting levi because of him going MIA during the Night on our Neighborhood.

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Majiffy as to why he didn't activate his claimed PR ability

This too.

He claims he's a 1-shot Watcher, why in hell would he not use it before scum gets to NK him?

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How old are you, Sakura?

How does this help you figure out mine or anyone's alignment this game? As for the actual answer I'd like you to take a guess.

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I kind of want to hear from Majiffy first before I take any decissions wrt voting him or not, but so far my lynch pool is the 3 I mentioned.

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I find it odd how suddenly AGar is in favor of the SK being alive, when he was going apeshit with me about it Day 1.

The SK killed who we told him to, do you have any other reason as to why AA9 is dead?

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AGar's got me in a more interested and serious mood with his latest posts.

So you weren't interested and serious before? like... when you voted pie?

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Can you give me a reason why Levi is scum besides the neighbor thing?

You could look at AGar's ISO from D1, I disagreed with his case at the time, because what he was mentioning in the QT looked pro-town to me, but avoiding the night-talk was unwarranted and I'm willing to support AGar if he pursues levi again.

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Oh right, forgot about empking, he can die too.

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If I were Mafia, I'd attempt to kill SK last Night.

But instead you want to lynch him since it's easier to convince town to do so, right?

truth. that convinced me

You're convinced quite easily tbh.

...I could very well persue Majiffy's lynch Day 3 after we lynch pieguyn.

So you wanna lynch Majiffy's lynch target, yet you wanna lynch Majiffy tomorrow who is a 1-shot watcher?

Titus, please cast your vote against the Serial KIller. The would put him at L-2, and you could remove it any time thereafter. Do you think me Town as levi does?

"You can remove it anytime thereafter" seems to be what you keep mentioning to anyone to get votes on pie, while you cant remove votes after a lynch, this is really bad logic to try to get votes to lynch pie.

you are affraid that scum will quick hammer a claimed sk?

seems not legit

True, but still, scum has to get rid of the danger of getting killed somehow.

Yeah. You're stretching like hell. You must be scum this game.

So a scum-dayvig + SK? that seems too on the low side for town, dont you think?

Titus's willingness to push random lynch over known scum is dumb, dumb, dumb. As town it feeds into giving even more advantage to the scum. As scum it jingles obvious scumotivation.

Except the truth is, pushing a lynch on leashed SK is dumb, dumb, dumb, As town it feeds into giving scum more safety, As scum is obvious scumotivation.

Yeah that response us a "whatever I have to do to survive post" rather than a help town perspective.

Really? I'm reading it as the opposite.

Not liking the wagon outta nowhere on Svenst, reasons?

On the other hand, wake has been trying to be manipulative to get votes on pie, in a worse way than wayne and majiffy, since at least they push it because they believe even a leashed SK needs to die, while Wake keeps mentioning it like it's good to keep putting votes on pie "coz you can remove them after anyway" when OOPS! lynched, sorry.

Vote: Wake

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From a game theory standpoint, a SK would not claim a role that is supposed to die from nk

Consider the fact that it's newbSK then.

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I could care less about Majiffy replacing out, but I just don't see any town motivation behind lynching the claimed SK, I really don't, I find it really dumb as he will just kill who we tell him to kill. But eh, if you guys want to have your way and Majiffy is appealing to emotion then I shall do the same and say I'll replace out if we lynch the SK before it's necessary to lynch him to win.

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Call me retard all you want, that won't make me think you're town for going for the easy lynch on the vig-like SK.

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in fact

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

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Sheep me on this guys, this is the guy along with waynegg that have been causing all this noise in the thread when the SK has already been leashed by us, once he's dead we will have glorious days of scumhunting with all that noise gone.

Also FoSing: Sven, Waynegg and Wake.

P-Edit: I trust pie because he's bound to us.

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it should be apparent that those who push the SK train cannot scumhunt.

It is apparent already.

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your ass is going to be lynched, as well as others.

I'll gladly get lynched if he flips scum.

But he wont.

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And you still think Sven is town?

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I do think we can get consensus, I'm as stubborn as im not moving my vote towards the SK even if it means no lynch, just like yesterday. I think Majiffy's scum tho, so is Stal, and Majiffy's the one that started all this BS along with Waynegg.

P-Edit: We aren't lynching leashed SK, now get to scumhunting or die Majiffy.

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You know we would have found scum already if you pulled your heads out of your asses and started scumhunting instead of trying to get a leashed SK lynched.

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And you're voting the guy who made the SK claim.

Afaik, im voting Majiffy and not kanye

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I agree. But I continued to push one until it

actually claimed scum

HE CLAIMED SK, BIG DIFFERENCE!

SK IS DANGEROUS FOR SCUM JESUS!