Mewbie 1472 ~ Game Ovah~

[Guyett]

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[Guyett]

Hello all, I am your IC for the game. My job is to help teach you about this game and how it works on this forum. I will answer all theory questions truthfully.

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[Guyett]

VOTE: King Kenny

because reasons

[Guyett]

Cheese you should get yourself an avatar

[Guyett]

lol oops, I thought my post didn't work because I didn't go to the next page!

(btw can you change the post count per page settings?)

I'm the town goon, don't worry about it. read the rules, guys, it's right in there

Are you talking about vanilla townie? There is no such thing as a town goon

[Guyett]

/IC hat on

There is no such thing as a town goon in this game.
The only possible roles are Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town one shot Bulletproof, Town Cop, Town Doc, Town Tracker and Vanilla Townie.
/IC Hat off

If you got goon in your role pm you're mafia :shrug:

[Guyett]

Maybe he is trying to say mafia goon...

VTL Pharphis

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[Guyett]

XLAV and Cheese now that Pharp has said it was all a joke why continue voting him? Do you

[Guyett]

XLAV and Cheese now that Pharp has said it was all a joke why continue voting him? Do you

[Guyett]

do you think it was a genuine scum slip?

[Guyett]

Pharphis, your "joke", seems very awkward to me. Why joke about that? As you are listed as Newbie player, I think it was a scum slip, you messed up somehow. As long as you cant convince me, that it was just a joke.
VOTE: Pharphis

This is a L-1 vote. It is good town play to announce it so no one accidentally hammers the person.
L-1 being 1 vote away from a lynch

[Guyett]

@Guyett: “XLAV and Cheese now that Pharp has said it was all a joke why continue voting him? Do you”: Why do you think someone saying their scummy (from cheese and xlav’s view) acts were a joke is justification for the votes to be removed?

I dislike the way the Pharp said “fun” rather than “gambit”, and doesn’t say what his conclusions are- something that it seems pointless to have done the gambit without doing.
So I’ll do that bit. Cheeses interactions I mentioned +47 suggests cheese was trying to be opportunist- get an easy lynch on a “vi”.

I conclude that cheese looks the worst so far and thus my vote shall not move yet.

(Stuff like vi can be searched on mafiascum wiki if you don’t know what it means.)

Pedit- karlos also going in the potential scum pile. There's a difference between voting because you didn't understand what he was doing and voting because you think it was scummy. @Karlos: Why would scum have any reason to claim there and why do you think other sites don't exist?

I thought it was pretty obvious he was dicking around to see if people would vote for him.

[Guyett]

Pharphis, your "joke", seems very awkward to me. Why joke about that? As you are listed as Newbie player, I think it was a scum slip, you messed up somehow. As long as you cant convince me, that it was just a joke.
VOTE: Pharphis

This is a L-1 vote. It is good town play to announce it so no one accidentally hammers the person.
L-1 being 1 vote away from a lynch

It is also good play to state intent before hammering

[Guyett]

@Guy: I'm asking why should "i was joking" be an excuse for scummy play? I don't view his play as scummy, in fact i view the ones complaining about it as scummy, but you're telling people who say its scummy that's a valid excuse.
Also why do you think it was "dicking around">a reaction test?

I view it as a successful reaction test- i suspect that karlos and cheese (at least one of them) is scum.

It isn't, but I expect he was being intentionally scummy to draw votes. This is known as Slayer's gambit. This is not a type of gambit that I would advise people to try btw.

I agree that we should have a look at the people opportunistically jumping onto that wagon

[Guyett]

I think he is probably town for trying to pull the game out of RVS

[Guyett]

P.S. Guyett why did you vote for kk, just asking.

RVS

[Guyett]

Oh, and for future reference, players can vote for themselves, right?

yes but it's not advised

[Guyett]

I think our mod is on a road trip with another member so it'll be a short bit until we get vote counts. I can do unofficial vote counts if needed when I get home from the pub

[Guyett]

1.01

With Nine Players alive.. It takes five to lynch

Voting:

King Kenny - Guyett, [1]
XLAV -
Karlos4 - Cheesetovey, Hopkirk, Pharphis [3]
cheesetovey -
BipolarChemist -
Pharphis - BipolarChemist, , XLAV, Karlos4 [3]
FSnake -
Hopkirk -
Guyett -

Not Voting:

King Kenny, FSnake, [2]

Countdowns

(expired on 2014-02-04 18:31:00)

[Guyett]

Thats an unofficial vote count btw

[Guyett]

I'm feeling the urge to hammer right about now.

Any comments on the game instead of just trying to end the day?

[Guyett]

UNVOTE: karlos

VOTE: pharphis

Guys I'm done pressuring karlos, I think karlos is fine for now, my vote goes back to pharph now

What did you learn and why are you moving your vote to pharph again?

[Guyett]

Hello Axellent, long time no see

[Guyett]

Also, @Guyett, your RVS vote is still happening. Do you think King Kenny is still the best place for your vote right now?

Yes I do

[Guyett]

Cheese is looking scummier than XLAV tbh... both jumped onto the pharph wagon but cheese has been openly sheeping hopkirk to start a new wagon

[Guyett]

FYI OMGUS voting isn't exactly a scumtell

[Guyett]

I'm not willing to push at these people at the moment. All have looked pretty town so far:
Pharphis
Alexecllent
Hopkirk

BipolarChemist needs to post more, I want to hear more as he's currently in my null pile
Karlos4 is null, need more posts to establish a better read

XLAV is Null scum... could be noob scum or noob town.
cheesetovey is my 2nd biggest scum read currently
King Kenny is my top scum read currently

[Guyett]

@Mod Bipolar is voting hopkirk

[Guyett]

Bipolar is looking town to me currently.
If he was keeping Pharaph at L-1 knowing pharaph was gambitting to fish for scum then I think it is a pro town thing to do

[Guyett]

Our Mods V/La ends today so hopefully she'll be on to distribute some prods and whatnot

[Guyett]

@ bipolar Alex asked the same question to me when he entered. I still think my RVS became justified.

[Guyett]

he claimed? I missed it

[Guyett]

Kenny hasn't claimed...

my opinion on him hasn't changed

[Guyett]

Hop why are you voting a null read instead of one of your 3 top scum reads?

[Guyett]

I do apologise that was meant to be directed at Bipolar not you hop

[Guyett]

@mod whats happening to KK and Karlos?

[Guyett]

@XLAV it is not wise to hammer without first stating intent and waiting for a claim.

[Guyett]

Can I unhammer?

no you can't

[Guyett]

Karlos was going to hammer KK too anyway. What I did was to save time.

If it makes you guys happy, want me to hard claim?

Do not claim unless you have been asked to if you are close to being hammered

[Guyett]

Lol pharph wtf are you doing

I'm hammered in a kebab shop wondering who to vote for.

[Guyett]

home now
VOTE: XLAV

[Guyett]

You shouldn't self vote if you are town

[Guyett]

You're playing against your win condition

[Guyett]

VOTE: cheese

I'm a sucker for AtE so I'm not feeling scumXLAV right now

[Guyett]

VOTE: cheese

I'm a sucker for AtE so I'm not feeling scumXLAV right now

AtE?

Appeal to emotion

[Guyett]

Yeah and I kinda think now alex and hop are still town. I was looking at the scumhunting or something on the wiki and it said be pro-town isn't being scum. Something like that atleast.

I also agree with you hop that xlav's selfvote is a scumtell.

VOTE: XLAV

I have a feeling I might be lynched today though.

I wouldn't take everything on the Wiki as gospel... especially anything to do with tactics and playstyle and especially scumhunting guides. Basically if its on the wiki it is obsolete now.

you'd be right in saying that anti-town play is not exactly scummy play. Like XLAV's play has been extremely anti town but I need to have a rethink whether it is scummy play.

[Guyett]

Also cheese you should probably announce when you put a person at L-1 to avoid a derp hammer

[Guyett]

No i think you just hammered him. Thats the 4th vote. Are you serious cheese? Why the hell didnt you look at the votes before locking?

No I voted for cheese before he voted for XLAV. XLAV isn't hammered

Do you have to unvote before voting?

I don't believe you do. Most games you don't have to unvote (It depends on the preference of the moderator)

[Guyett]

Before anyone else decides to vote for Cheese you should announce intent to hammer and ask for a claim

[Guyett]

gosh guys i'm so sorry. . .
I think XLAV is lynched now,

and this game the town will most likely lose. Because of me and XLAV.

if XLAV is town ofcourse

This implies you think XLAV is town... if that is the case why did you vote for him?

[Guyett]

I'd like a xlav claim, too.

He already claimed VT

[Guyett]

Hi Cheese there's a number of reasons I'm voting for you.
You're jumping on to pretty much every wagon that forms... its like you are more concerned with

someone

getting lynched rather than scum getting lynched.
Then came 298... why does kenny's doc flip make XLAV scummier? You then go and basically put everyone else in your possible scum pile.
Contradictions between 316 and 323. Initially you are saying he is scum for sure and the latter post suggests you think he is town. Bear in mind XLAV made no posts between your two posts... all that changed was you thinking he was hammered. This makes it look like you were trying to get town cred back in case he flipped town.
Also putting him at L-1 without announcing

[Guyett]

Would you not talk about the points I raised?

[Guyett]

oh and bpc guyett and XLAV are in my scum pack while everyone else is town enough

So the two scum are between someone who you said was scum.... then said was town and now said he's scum and 2 of the people voting you?!?

Do you have reasons for these scum reads?

[Guyett]

Btw, I already claimed.

Both town power roles are dead so everyone is either vanilla townie or mafia goon.

[Guyett]

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[Guyett]

And why arent you scumhunting?
What do you make of my case on cheese?

[Guyett]

Instead of getting moody would you respond to my case on you properly

[Guyett]

This is now LYLO
we have to lynch or else mafia have won and if we lynch a townie we lose.


@MOD you forgot to remove Pharph from the VC.

[Guyett]

Lol, we are just 2 noobs in the game. If we are scum, why can't you experience players find out that we are scum? We are just noobs after all. Isn't it supposed to be easy to catch noob scums?. The scums are definitely from the experience players or one of them at least.

WIFOM

Here are my reads:
Alexcelent - Town
If he was scum he should have joined the cheese wagon.

Or he didn't for town cred?!?

He helps the town and he's the only person who understands my noobiness. Without him, I would have been lynched already hence I owe him my townie life.

If you are town and alex is scum Scum Alex would know you are town and say as much so that if you did flip town he could point at it and bask in the town cred he gained.

Guyett - Scum
He hardly helps the town and he also jumps in wagons. I think he lurks throughout the game and he post if its voting related or if he's helping noobs. Also his post in 169, everyone in his scum list are town.

2 of my scum pile have flipped town, the other hasn't flipped yet so forgive my hesitancy to believe you that you're town

I'm still trying to analyze the rest of you, so all of you are null/leaning scum to me.

As far as I can tell, there are 2 possible scum teams, numbered to most likely: (without me)
1. Bipolar and Guyett
2. Hopkirk and Guyett

If you want to add me then its:
3. XLAV and Guyett
4. XLAV and Bipolar

Why don't you have hopkirk as a potential scum buddy for yourself?

For me, Guyett is most likely scum.
So VOTE: Guyett

The only thing I'm sure of is, Bipolar and Hopkirk are not a scum team since they are quite hostile to each other every time they communicate.

Ever heard of distancing?

I'm not scum so get your vote off me, its LYLO ffs

[Guyett]

Who's your scum buddy XLAV?

VOTE: XLAV

[Guyett]

To answer your Hopkirk and me scum team question, its because he's accusing me of being scum.

I'm accusing you of being scum... does that rule out a you and me scum team?!?
Make sense pls

[Guyett]

UNVOTE:
on the off chance XLAV is actually town.

Explain how both of us are scum?!?

[Guyett]

Xlav WASN'T quicklynched when he had a vote on him so we know for sure he or guyett is scum

The only problem here is say if the two scum weren't both online when they could quick hammer.

[Guyett]

Everyone has posted since XLAV was put at L-1 giving ample opportunity for scum to quick hammer. This implies either he is scum or the person voting him is scum

Myself and Bipolar cannot be a scum team as both of us have posted since XLAV and been online together since both XLAV and Hopkirk have been at L-1

@Bipolar who do you think hops buddy is? Do you think hop and xlav could both be scum accusing each other of being scum for town cred?

[Guyett]

hmm good point.
What if hopkirk is town and has a read on Alex wrong? could you see XLAV + Alex scum team?

Based on overall play I'm pretty sure Xlav is scum and hopkirks play before today has been very town but his play today has seemed a little off. I don't know if it is because he is actually scum or if he believes XLAV is scum so much that it has turned him into a tunnelling town mess

[Guyett]

I'm

XLAV > Hopkirk > Alex > > > Bipolar

[Guyett]

Cool
VOTE: XLAV

[Guyett]

Do we lose?

Wait was I hammered?

Yes to both.... sorry

[Guyett]

Losing both town PR's made it near impossible to win for town.
I'll do a post game IC post with comments and stuff once Mala ends the game

[Guyett]

Woop

[Guyett]

Because you were obv town...
I'm gonna release the scum qt ok

[Guyett]

Ok with you hopkirk?

[Guyett]

Scum QT

[Guyett]

Some IC thoughts

King Kenny - You need to get more into the game, tbf you set yourself up as an easy mislynch.

XLAV - your reckless way of playing is quite fun However for next time remember to watch the votecounts so you don't accidentally hammer, get a claim before hammering and don't claim too early, it only narrows the NK pool. Just remember to keep arguing your cases and listen to other peoples cases if they make sense. I think once you get into the game more your reads get really good... post 385 was really really good

Karlos4 - You're pretty good at scumhunting... just don;t get distracted so easily. I think you were on to me quite early but pharph and XLAV distracted you from me.

cheesetovey - I like your inquisitiveness but you gotta stop sheeping people so much. Also try not get too apathetic when the pressure is on you... fight back!!! don't go down quietly go down kicking and screaming

BipolarChemist - Very very good scumhunting. If you work on getting your opinions and reads out there more so people listen and take note you'll be doing much better. I think at one or two points you had hopkirk or myself but you let other peoples reads influence your own. Looking forward to see how you do in future games

Pharphis - You obv towned with your little gambit but it was plain to see from a scum point of view that you were a VT (I say as much in the scum QT). In future try not do a gambit like that as someone could easily mistakenly hammer you and also by doing it you narrow down scums NK pool (scum are hunting for town PR's remember). Also once you obv town'd you didn't really do much leading of the town, if you are a universal town read start asking questions and putting people under pressure. Otherwise very good game.

Alexecllent - I was a little worried when you replaced in having played with you before and seeing what kind of player you are, unfortunately ( well fortunately for myself and hopkirk) you didn't really get into the game too much.

Hopkirk - really good game, you were being universally town read up until the last day and it was only your 1V1 with XLAV that made you look scummy. I had to vote XLAV and go 1v1 with him when he voted me but as soon as you voted I needed to unvote as it made us both look like obv scum. Otherwise excellent game

[Guyett]

Yes we got lucky but the options for the night kill were narrowed from {XLAV, Karlos, Cheese, Bipolar, Pharph and Alex} to {Karlos, Cheese, Bipolar and Alex} due to XLAV's VT claim and Pharph's VT play.