Newbie 1505 (Game Over)

[OkaPoka]

Vote reissebach

Obviously r is for pirate. Pirate=Scum. Reissebach is scum.

[OkaPoka]

First of All, Bulbazack... Do you like an opening speed/wagon lynch? Because I think that depending on the outcome it could really shift the game in town's position.
But my real question is why is Mallowgeno riding a train this early on against 3Dicerolling?

[OkaPoka]

Bulba, why you unvote?
Also If the lynched is town, look at the people in the wagon and you narrowed down the scum.
If scum, partner most likely exposed due to vote count analysis.
But why you unvote and revote so suddenly?

[OkaPoka]

All I see is that reisseback is probably the towniest town there can ever be.

It seems that Axle is talking a lot, and trying to teach us all although he isn't IC.

But on the other hand doogal hasn't done much, probably waiting to take advantage therefore.

Doogal scum

Vote Doogal 121

[OkaPoka]

Towns always scumread. They defend themselves as much as they can.

Scum always pushes for a lynch, hoping that one of the townies would be mislynched.

Scum don't risk a bold move, because they may be lynched. They play safely.

[OkaPoka]

Therefore Doogal scum since he hasn't been very active...

[OkaPoka]

I've defended him once reissebach, and same with you becuase I think you are both town. But I do appreciate that reissebach is pointing stuff out.

[OkaPoka]

I also take back everything about Doogal if he is unavailable on weekends.

Unvote

[OkaPoka]

And... Reason? Or are you still RVS'ing

[OkaPoka]

I think Bulba is scum, with his partner being 3Dicerolling. They both opened up voting each other, then Bulba quickly jumped off as 3Dice accumulated another vote. Scum protection? Probably trying to distance each other.

[OkaPoka]

I defended you in post 44. Post 20 was just a question to bulbazack.

[OkaPoka]

No one should be lynched yet. Maybe if Axle scumslips then we can lynch him but now we have very limited resources.

[OkaPoka]

First of all, I thought Bulbazack and 3Dicerolling would be pulling some reverse psychology crap on us trying to distance each other.

Second of All, you are probably right in that you two if partners wouldn't pull that, but I feel extremely paranoid about the situation.

Also, what questions do you have for me Bulba? And a fast wagon lynch idea was probably a mistake on my part, it just turned out good for town in the previous game, so I am just asking you if you had any experiences with a fast wagon and how did it go, since you are IC, I want to know your opinion.
I think Reisse is town because he scumreads a lot, and he doesn't want a lynch which all scums push for.

I didn't know doogal was inactive so I thought that he was waiting for a chance to pop up and wreck us all.

Isn't pushing for a lynch scum behavior because it usually ends up a mislynch on day 1 until we get more info, you even stated yourself bulba, that you believed that town should be given more time. I'm at L-1 and you didn't want a fast lynch, but you sit on the wagon without care. Seems hypocritical to me.

To All: Any Questions.

[OkaPoka]

Trying a new play style because last time I was confirmed town so I could go mad and people still trust me. I could type crap and it would be valued because I was town, I have to play differently because I am not confirmed town.

[OkaPoka]

What is your main arguments in thinking I am scummy?

[OkaPoka]

Bulba, I would obviously panic if someone got me to L-1 so quickly because that could result in a mislynch for town. I won't say stuff like d1 lynch is usually a mislynch because it is NOT, if town plays correctly. If I get lynched town can recover most likely and start scumhunting. I clearly state I am at L-1 at post 89. I can't give hard solid facts because we aren't to the point of the game where I can pull information on previous lynches in my support, and just repeating I am L-1 does little for town. I can't say information that town usually can state during day 2 and beyond. What I just want is no lynching until later so town can get maximum potential for late game.

[OkaPoka]

When did I cut town's info short? I was just asking questions to the IC because they are the most experienced and can teach us newbs some theories.

[OkaPoka]

BTW i did think we were at L-1 because last game of mine's went so quick, day 1 everyone wagoned onto a player, making me think day 1 would be shorter.

I am an idiot.

[OkaPoka]

I agree, don't policy lynch someone, but use that just in case the lyncher shows more scumminess.

[OkaPoka]

Just got a tad suspicious for mallow, he is after all already 2 on one wagon. But it doesn't really matter yet.

[OkaPoka]

Anyone could be scum. Nobody questions Bulba. Remember kyndy never to sheep the IC.

[OkaPoka]

How strong is this Oka read you have, Bulba?

Pretty strong.

If Bulbazak wasn't the IC in this game, Id be pretty darn content to drop my case on a different candidate and see if the rest of the thread prefers one or the other.

What does my being IC have to do with who you pursue?

So strong you will never change your mind? What is your opinion on lurkers?

[OkaPoka]

I am back. I have no idea what is going on though.

Anyone have summaries I can read? Thoughts?

[OkaPoka]

Waiting on Kyndy and Mallow to come back.
So Bulba is there absolutely nothing I can convince you that I am town?

Also Axle, just post smaller posts. Or at least try to. The walls make me want to stay away from reading them.

[OkaPoka]

You opened the game many ideas and thoughts to help town. They weren't as confusing as a couple recent ones. I thought you were town and still do. I am firm on that situation unless you fail. To me asking questions and why people help you seem townie to me so I will trust that you are town.

[OkaPoka]

Welp, I guess I have a vote on me permanently.

By the Way to anyone who has trouble logging in.

Clear cache and cookies I think that will help.

[OkaPoka]

What! doing this just to move things along? Doesn't sound so kyndy to me. Seems like you are pushing a lynch on me.

Damn Suspicious to me.

[OkaPoka]

Annnd to move this along,

VOTE: okapoka

Well your reasoning was TERRIBLE. And seems like you slipped so
VOTE: Kyndy101

We still have more time kyndy, and you randomly appear to say, lets push this mini wagon further.

[OkaPoka]

bulba, your opinion on kyndy?

[OkaPoka]

And you won't lie about stuff like this right?

[OkaPoka]

Ehhhhhh, now I feel confused.

In a scum's perspective, what would be their first choice of action based on game theory, would they be okay with any vote as long it wasn't their team? (AKA no lying)

[OkaPoka]

I assume RVS is over but, don't vote Reisse until he is back so he can provide a proper argument, I am still fishy about mallow and kyndy for their small scumslips which might reveal. Here is my read on Reissebach:

Opens the game very anti lynch, seems like a newb town play, or just a paranoid player. Also could be used for town credit. I don't like how he opens with a no lynch and immediately votes, stating he hates wagons. It just seems like he is trying to take some town credit. Anti Axle for some reason, he just immediately assumes I am scum without CLEARLY stating in his post why I am scum, so assumes Axle is scum. I suspect he has information we don't know about.

I can only assume Reisse is scum or a powerrole in some way for his paranoid plays. Which I am NOT willing to gamble on a reisse lynch.

[OkaPoka]

Axle never sheep the IC, ask him questions but don't trust him.

In my previous game I almost lost to an IC scum.

I actually like researching player history and how they play, to me it is seemed as town, just my thought.

This Reissebach on needing to lynch Axle while Axle pushing Reissebach seems like they are trying to distance each other a bit too much.

So far the possibilities of scum to me are
Reissebach/Axle team
Kyndy???
Mallow???

[OkaPoka]

Because my previous Newb game Day 1 was 2 pages, that game was really weird.

So I don't know the meta that much.

It is a great game btw

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=44815

[OkaPoka]

@Mod

Mishai prod please?

Mallow is just saying what bulba is saying in my opinion.

I actually am considering to not vote kyndy because rereading the previous game, kyndy is playing almost EXACTLY how she played last game. But my vote will be kept. I am waiting for some Xay reads.

I don't think Bulba is scum, I think Bulba is just extremely careful about everything he does and wants best for town, I could be wrong though. Has anyone played against a bulba scum before?

[OkaPoka]

What is your read on Kyndy??? to everyone who hasn't answered.

[OkaPoka]

My game was pretty much lynch all liars, think of all possibilities and started lynching. Which could've ended miserably but Xay held through.

[OkaPoka]

Tell us Xay when you are done reading, so we can get down to business.
And stop talking about my previous game, it is a waste of time unless you can find something especially interesting.

[OkaPoka]

Bulba, your read on Xay?

[OkaPoka]

Doesn't it bother you that I am the only scum? Are you hiding something? How is kyndy not scum? Answer these Xay.

[OkaPoka]

Yeah, don't bother to think about anyone else but me.

Kyndy is PUSHING for a lynch, is she not? Reread 194 a couple times and explain how this could have some town mind behind it.

(To Xay)

[OkaPoka]

He says, lets have a move on this without stating reasoning.

"Annd to move this along" isn't the most logical reasoning ever.

[OkaPoka]

I dunno, my suspicions have been high the whole game, and since the deadline was a while ago, I might as well cast my vote. That's what I thought, anyways. :/

Alright then, go ahead and vote me.
I just see that your personality has changed completely from being conftown last game to question marks this game. Before you were confident (with good reason), but now you are edgy, cautious, and just... I don't know, you just... I just have a feeling that you are scum. I'm not saying anyone else should follow what I think, I just truly have a feeling that you are scum. :/

@kyndy

before the break I asked (it appears to have been overlooked) (this is it again trimmed/fixed it a bit)

(I'd like an answer today(next time your on even), I not only want to work out who to lynch today(and I have indicated who(pool of two)), I also want to clean up as many loose ends like this unanswered question as possible.)

I don't know about you guys, but I think that Axle and Oka could be scumbuddies. They are always agreeing on the same things and shooting out the same people for questioning,

defending each other if someone questions one,

and I don't think Oka nor Axle have questioned each other. Axle and Oka scum maybe?

I dunno. :/ Just putting the thought out there if it isn't already.

Please show me where I. as you understand it, I (Axle) defended Oka.

aka please explain what that detail of your post means.

Oh! Sorry, I missed this.


Alright, so I don't know what I was thinking when I originally posted that. But, I do think you both are scumbuddies.
So, that defending each other... I feel like it was one-sided. Oka was defending you, but to make it seem less scummy, you tried to distance yourself from Oka by not defending him... I don't know, those were my thoughts ages ago. I can't really answer questions that well either, sorry I cannot be more help to you. But I feel like this is a big-brother little-brother thing where the big-brother (you) is shhhh-ing the little brother (Oka) from doing anything wrong. Gosh, I'm the worst at explaining my thoughts. But, something like that... Wish I was better at explaining, but that's the only way I can think it..




Oh, and also people, I'm getting surgery on my scoliosis on Friday, so obviously I will probably not be able to be on here for at most a week. But I might be able to have my brother bring me my phone or something in the hospital. I'll be pretty much free until then.

All of that?

[OkaPoka]

Lets see this.
Post 197: So you might as well just put your vote in?
201: Last game I have said before conftown allows me more freedoms, and importantly confidence that what I see will not be misinterpreted.
216: As I said before, you magically assume that Axle is magically scum and I am magically scum without any reasoning but me defending him. If I defend someone who I truly believe is town, he doesn't have to do the same, and I am allowed to do that. According to your logic Xay and you are scum because Xay protected you.

[OkaPoka]

Dayum you guys change fast, I am willing to vote Xay only if you can convince me a lynch is better than a no lynch.

[OkaPoka]

Fine, I know I am town and Xay has a 25% of being bad. But don't hammer without intent to.

UNVOTE: Kyndy
VOTE: Xayzeck

[OkaPoka]

I see that me getting lynched would actually help town, as it seems I am the only one with the possibility of getting lynched very well then.

But promise me you will take down kyndy or Xay when I am gone.

Make sure to analyze who votes me town and point it out.

Ask questions, and never fakeclaim a powerrole town.

Always have an intent to hammer waiting to strike, town.

These are my only pieces of advice for the rest of town when take the noose.

[OkaPoka]

Doogal hammer me later so I can spew out more info for town please. Hammer me in later, let me say as much as I can say.

[OkaPoka]

mallowgeno, kyndy101, Bulbazak, Xayzeck, Doogal 121

At least one, most likely two of them are scum once you see me flip. So town read these fellas.

You may hammer me now doogal, as I have nothing else to say.

[OkaPoka]

If somebody makes an excuse such as he was trying to drive the wagon, immediately vote them please for the sake of town. No excuses.

[OkaPoka]

I know I am town, but it seems that me getting hammered would help town more. People will be paranoid about my claim of town, so in order to prove my plays are genuine hammer me. Me dying will allow to town to get an edge on who they should lynch and know. Let Doogal hammer me, let them explain, and let them question.

[OkaPoka]

Vanilla Townie. There.

[OkaPoka]

I don't need pity I need somebody to hammer me to prove my innocence.

For the sake of town vote kyndy, when I am lynched.

[OkaPoka]

kyndy/Xay makes most sense at least to me.

[OkaPoka]

There is no hope 3Dice, I will be dead and town will realize their mistakes.

[OkaPoka]

I honestly believe my death will help town more, unless you can explain why it won't.

[OkaPoka]

We wait for Glass for his opinions and thoughts.

[OkaPoka]

Bulba it is safe to say you are either bad at reading townie, or you are scum. Simple as that. You should know that I am town, and you should have had enough games to understand why I am town. Somebody hammer me now to prove Bulba is a complete liar. Please.

[OkaPoka]

Here is my last thought, Bulba is scum. Kyndy might be scum. Xay might be scum. Those are my thoughts.

Hammer me, or I will have to self hammer myself. I won't be any use to town because if I live, there will be people fervently supporting my lynch getting town nowhere. You might as well get rid me and move on to lynch Bulba. Please town hammer me.

[OkaPoka]

You will know soon Bulba soon.

This exactly why I am saying that I should be hammered now. Sacrifices must be made for town victory.

Intent to hammer myself.

[OkaPoka]

I only want Bulba to answer this question.

Why should I/shouldn't I self hammer myself?

Only Bulba.

[OkaPoka]

Explain Bulba.

I am town, I know I am town. But seeing my death will help town, I feel this situation calls for a self hammer.

[OkaPoka]

Fine, I will let doogal smash me.


Meanwhile, waiting on doogal.

[OkaPoka]

If I were cop, I would act scummy, then claim bp.

Hehehehe.

Really good job scum, I thought it was Xay and kyndy.

[OkaPoka]

You lived because town went wild and accusations made it so you were not suspected.

In these situations your play was optimal for survival as town killed themselves.