Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: Slandaar

Go, speed wagon... go, go!

[jasonT1981]

This is assuming jason improved his act from the wire game.

I did bad in both wire games I've played in :/ I think I was burnt out for both

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: Speedy Saki
You can all thank me later

heh heh heh

Early bussing... if Saki flips scum... I''m coming for you, baby!!

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: Imperium

They need to die. Don't ask why.

why?

[jasonT1981]

And what is your opinion that sides with your belief?

[jasonT1981]

then we lynch him, if he is miller, we lynch you... simples

[jasonT1981]

I'll let you work it out

[jasonT1981]

Isn't encryptor usually a scum role????

[jasonT1981]

Desp - can you go into anymore detail on your PM without breaking rules?

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

[jasonT1981]

It won't cut of the threat, no.. you are rght, SK. However it will disable their ability to day talk, which is vital to stratagy

[jasonT1981]

I'll let you work it out

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jason

Can't work it out then?

[jasonT1981]

It won't cut of the threat, no.. you are rght, SK. However it will disable their ability to day talk, which is vital to stratagy

Please don't say SK
Why so confident there is only one encryptor?
Why are you willing to kill a townie just to maybe get rid of daytalk instead of doing some scumhunting?

I'm not confident of one... nor have I ever said there might be only one, if you read my post 58

Desp - can you go into anymore detail on your PM without breaking rules?

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

I actually float the idea of more than one, and am following up with questions about it...

Why are you so unwilling to cut of what could be a vital scum advantage of having scum talk? That's why I would be for the encryptor lynch, as it hurts scum long term in not being able to talk during the day and talk as each scanario unfolds.

[jasonT1981]

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

it says that if one encryptor is alive daytalk is active. in a way that implies i might not be the only one.

ok, thanks.. interesting

[jasonT1981]

I'll let you work it out

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jason

Can't work it out then?

When has being obtuse ever helped town?
(never)
When has being obtuse ever helped scum?
(always)
When did being obtuse as town become acceptable?
(I really want to know)

I was more or less reaction fishing.. wanted to see what reaction would come of a proposed 1 vs 1.... If X claims miller, and Y is lynched flipping miller we lynch X.

this was however before the talk of multiple encryptors which does sorta render my idea useless now.

[jasonT1981]

I'll let you work it out

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jason

Can't work it out then?

When has being obtuse ever helped town?
(never)
When has being obtuse ever helped scum?
(always)
When did being obtuse as town become acceptable?
(I really want to know)

I was more or less reaction fishing.. wanted to see what reaction would come of a proposed 1 vs 1.... If X claims miller, and Y is lynched flipping miller we lynch X.

this was however before the talk of multiple encryptors which does sorta render my idea useless now.

Well? Share with the class what results this brilliant fishing brought?

Nothing.... because you butted in. :/ It was worth a try... wasn't guaranteed a result but was trying something anyway

[jasonT1981]

It won't cut of the threat, no.. you are rght, SK. However it will disable their ability to day talk, which is vital to stratagy

Please don't say SK
Why so confident there is only one encryptor?
Why are you willing to kill a townie just to maybe get rid of daytalk instead of doing some scumhunting?

I'm not confident of one... nor have I ever said there might be only one, if you read my post 58

Desp - can you go into anymore detail on your PM without breaking rules?

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

I actually float the idea of more than one, and am following up with questions about it...

Why are you so unwilling to cut of what could be a vital scum advantage of having scum talk? That's why I would be for the encryptor lynch, as it hurts scum long term in not being able to talk during the day and talk as each scanario unfolds.

So if two or three people said "I'm a town encryptor", you'd want them all dead rather than doing scumhunting?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth

[jasonT1981]

UNVOTE:

calling it a night, sorry already 11pm here, and I got into the football (soccer). Be back tomorrow. If there were any questions towards me, I will get to them in the morning.

[jasonT1981]

It won't cut of the threat, no.. you are rght, SK. However it will disable their ability to day talk, which is vital to stratagy

Please don't say SK
Why so confident there is only one encryptor?
Why are you willing to kill a townie just to maybe get rid of daytalk instead of doing some scumhunting?

I'm not confident of one... nor have I ever said there might be only one, if you read my post 58

Desp - can you go into anymore detail on your PM without breaking rules?

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

I actually float the idea of more than one, and am following up with questions about it...

Why are you so unwilling to cut of what could be a vital scum advantage of having scum talk? That's why I would be for the encryptor lynch, as it hurts scum long term in not being able to talk during the day and talk as each scanario unfolds.

So if two or three people said "I'm a town encryptor", you'd want them all dead rather than doing scumhunting?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth

Am I scum or misguided town? What did you really mean?
These are things you would have answered if you were town

I have you leaning scum, but not enough for a vote. I think you know full well what I meant though.Do you not agree that strategically it makes sense to cut scums day talk? My scum thought on you really is because you seem to be closed to cutting scum day talk.

[jasonT1981]

holy shit fuck!1 game really is quick.. catch up coming soon

[jasonT1981]

Having time to think, I don't actually believe SleepyKrew is scum. I don't agree with what he was saying, but looking back there was no scum motivation for him to be saying it.

[jasonT1981]

also I think slice of life is scum

discuss.

Looking in ISO... you have never voted the person you think is scum above, nor did you give any evedience as to back up your theory then you say this later, again without explination?

haha, no. slice of life is town. and you're scum. and you're also strawmanning with "jumping on everyone" because mollie's already told you about a number of townreads. you're just butthurt you're not one of them.

mollie would you please vote

not

_mafia?

Why the change from scum to town in 12 hours... and why

1) nothing to back up your origional claim he is scum
2) nothing to back up why you suddenly switch him to town

VOTE: helium-3

[jasonT1981]

Juls' claim was premature and weird in a way that scum don't usually make.

I strongly believe her claim.

I also believe Marquis' claim too, but if either of them are scum, it'd be him.

Since we're on the hoopla topic the boded is like totally bad.

do you think the pair could be connected somehow?

[jasonT1981]

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

[jasonT1981]

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

how scum is this on a scale from 10 to 10

How much do you think it is on a scale of 1-10?

And why no vote if you think its scummy?

It seems you're asking permission of others before placing a vote, and if no one bites you won't follow up on it.

[jasonT1981]

Ummmm guys
I think SAD scumslipped
But no one else has commented on it so....
I'll look at it some more when I get on my laptop along with addressing othet pertinent things

Can you point exactly where, and how SAD scum slipped?

Maybe its just me, but I am not seeing it right now.

[jasonT1981]

ple bringing up multibal

I brought it up earlier in the game, due to the fact there was the possibility of more than one Encryptor roles in the game... hinting at possible multiscum

Desp - can you go into anymore detail on your PM without breaking rules?

By implying multiple encryptors, I am assuming multiball scum?

[jasonT1981]

oh and UNVOTE:

[jasonT1981]

...how does multiple Encryptors indicate multiball?
Also please don't go back to trying to speculate based on something his PM might maybe be implying. Try to do something worthwhile with your time until we get to your lynch. Or don't say anything. But you attempting to muddy the waters with worthless nothings is noted and not appreciated.
(this was all at jason)

For the 2nd time, you are AGAIN putting words in my mouth.... I didn't say there was however,I speculated there might be

[jasonT1981]

Pedit: Yeah but Jason was still talking about the catch after Desp already answered it which was very reminiscent of his lazish posting in wire but I guess it can be a posting style type of thing?

I will admit, I am having trouble keeping up in the game atm. I go to bed or go out, and come back to 10 new pages. I reply to things as I see them.

[jasonT1981]

...how does multiple Encryptors indicate multiball?
Also please don't go back to trying to speculate based on something his PM might maybe be implying. Try to do something worthwhile with your time until we get to your lynch. Or don't say anything. But you attempting to muddy the waters with worthless nothings is noted and not appreciated.
(this was all at jason)

For the 2nd time, you are AGAIN putting words in my mouth.... I didn't say there was however,I speculated there might be

yes and I yelled at you for your useless speculation
I even used the word speculate

in the post you quoted

Why is it useless to consider, or at least mention a possible situation

[jasonT1981]

Sure, give your reasons why I am scum, then I'll do something 'useful'

[jasonT1981]

this game is really pretty quick

VOTE: Speedy Saki

Looking in ISO, quite a few posts like this with absolutely nothing to the game or any opinions offered. Coasting scum

[jasonT1981]

The 2 votes on Shos.. do you think his opening line 'also, damnit, I wanted to replace to scumslot' was over compensating for actually replacing into a scumslot?

@Slice of Life

- I actually voted Speedy Saki for that very reason, but nothing has come of it yet. I would be happy with a lynch on the slot.

Juls replace out request.. I am in two minds

1) Frustrated town fed up of pleading her case
2 caught scum looking an out.

Not 100% sure which way I lean on this.... I need to sleep on it.

[jasonT1981]

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

how scum is this on a scale from 10 to 10

I am STILL interested in this... and Marq has gone silent..... this seemed almost like asking permission to vote me, but only if others thought it was scummy.

Why not just give your own opinions on how scummy it was? This seemed more like an opportunistic testing of the waters for something to latch onto than anything else. VERY tempted to vote on this, and the lack of activity on the slot.

[jasonT1981]

Jason, when you get back into the game, can you provide a list of your reads with reasons? Also, you vote Helium in Post 472 for changing their opinion on Slice of Life and not backing it up. Why do you feel that it is scummy?

Will try my best, I am trying to read atm.... however it is 3.15am

Marquis & Speedy Saki lead my list, shos opening post seems a bit like over compensating and using WIFOM. Juls I am honestly still trying to work out as said above

Despite my complete disagreement with him, SleepyK does come across town.

Can't think of anything more tonight, I am on my 4th soccer game lol and can hardly keep eyes open

[jasonT1981]

Jason, when you get back into the game, can you provide a list of your reads with reasons? Also, you vote Helium in Post 472 for changing their opinion on Slice of Life and not backing it up. Why do you feel that it is scummy?

I thought at the time it was wishy-washy... however I failed to take into consideration the fact it was a hydra, which was later explained as two different people posting their opinions on the same account.

This was an oversight on my behalf probably more than anything.

[jasonT1981]

I didn't 'agree' with them... 1) I was asking why they voted/suspected 2) gave my own idea as to why

Sleepy - Part of the issue I have with you, you keep saying I am scum.. but each time fail to expand on why.

[jasonT1981]

tammy/mollie is gonna be like a 4 headed hydra. yaye!

.

[jasonT1981]

[quote="In.

@Jason:

which Juls posts in particular read as fake?

.[/quote]

It's not that I think they are fake, I didn't say that

Its more I couldn't decide if it was frustrated town wanting out due to pressure or scum caught and giving up.

I am leaning towards the frustrated town, its how I sometimes feel in similar situations.


Right now I think Speedy Saki needs the rope today, there is very little to show Speedy actually is willing to scumhunt or even bother. All fluff with little actual game discussion, like scum trying to coast by and stay under the radar

[jasonT1981]

fucking quotes ARGH

@Mod - can you fix quote please?

[jasonT1981]

What reasons have you got for me being scum?

Actually, what reasons do you have for any/all of your reads... again this reads as an empty post for the sake of posting.

edit by preview - thanks

[jasonT1981]

My role PM doesn't specify when I can talk but I asked Zach and he said I can talk until he tells me otherwise.

The reason I claimed is because I knew the way I changed my mind looked bad from the outside. So I figured I would be lynched if I didn't explain my reasoning and I couldn't explain my reasoning without claiming. I guess I just didn't put as much faith in neighbors as I do masons. When I was suggesting giving up day talk I wasn't thinking about there being masons.

VOTE: Juls

scum thought process found

>>>>right there<<<<


got it nailed it lets go dinner

Can you explain why it is a scum thought process as opposed to a town thought process, please?

[jasonT1981]

@Jason:

@Jason:

which Juls posts in particular read as fake?

Already answered.....

[jasonT1981]

Oh look helium made a post and it

wasn't

explaining that vote on me. So are you going to actually push my lynch or just sit there until deadline?

you've essentially done exactly the same on me on a number of occasions.. multiple times you have called me scum, yet everytime failed to go further to explain

[jasonT1981]

take a look at speedy saki's entire ISO. its entirity should take you about 1 minute to read fully and understand.

this 100% Saki needs rope today.

[jasonT1981]

qt's aren't available during the day so how does that make sense/how is it even relevant?

Is this a slip?

You said you enable daytalk and now you say QT's aren't available during the day. Which is it?

Interesting catch... I would like to know this too

how scum is this on a scale from 10 to 10

I am STILL interested in this... and Marq has gone silent..... this seemed almost like asking permission to vote me, but only if others thought it was scummy.

Why not just give your own opinions on how scummy it was? This seemed more like an opportunistic testing of the waters for something to latch onto than anything else. VERY tempted to vote on this, and the lack of activity on the slot.

The scale was 10 to 10 meaning it was a 10. That translates to they thought your post was super scummy. It is pretty straight forward. The next post they even say it is a 10. You must have missed that or something. Now get off the topic since YOU are the one who wanted the scale to be 1-10 not Marquis.

Just got to the above post btw.

-Beast

Fair enough, I got confused with your alt slips and didn't realize it was you actually answering you.... It looked like 2 different people interacting (which essentailly it was) I keep getting muddled up with the alts, alt slips are not helpful :/

[jasonT1981]

also sleepykrew is scummy to be dead



because of 441(?) I think

I actually disagree, though I have had (and still do) have issues in game with him... I do think he is town.. could you explain your Sleepy scum read please?

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: shos

Not been happy with him calling scum then not backing it up with anything

[jasonT1981]

you guys would rather that I am killed right now instead of lynched.

why?

this seems like desperate attempt to stay alive with Appeal to emotion/WIFOM

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: shos

Not been happy with him calling scum then not backing it up with anything

who did I call scum apart from speedy?

you guys would rather that I am killed right now instead of lynched.

why?

this seems like desperate attempt to stay alive with Appeal to emotion/WIFOM

and how desperate can I be at L-5 when there's a larger wagon up there? lol

how is this even AtE/wifom?

1 who did you call scum without further backing it up... well we have exhibit A

My role PM doesn't specify when I can talk but I asked Zach and he said I can talk until he tells me otherwise.

The reason I claimed is because I knew the way I changed my mind looked bad from the outside. So I figured I would be lynched if I didn't explain my reasoning and I couldn't explain my reasoning without claiming. I guess I just didn't put as much faith in neighbors as I do masons. When I was suggesting giving up day talk I wasn't thinking about there being masons.

VOTE: Juls

scum thought process found

>>>>right there<<<<


got it nailed it lets go dinner

And Exhibit B

also sleepykrew is scummy to be dead



because of 441(?) I think

As for how is it AtE/WIFOM

How is saying 'You don't want to lynch me, you would rather have me dead in night' not
1)AtE 2) WIFOM

[jasonT1981]

Its funny

I suddenly argue with Shos and now hes going to shoot me (assuming his claim is true which I don't believe it is)

Remember when I was going after Speedy and he was posting he loved my post... all of a sudden I vote and push him... he wants me dead thinking I am scum

OMGUS!!

[jasonT1981]

Not exactly true that I am just jumping on a viable lynch, since I suspected you since you came into the game

Jason, when you get back into the game, can you provide a list of your reads with reasons? Also, you vote Helium in Post 472 for changing their opinion on Slice of Life and not backing it up. Why do you feel that it is scummy?

Will try my best, I am trying to read atm.... however it is 3.15am

Marquis & Speedy Saki lead my list,

shos opening post seems a bit like over compensating and using WIFOM

. Juls I am honestly still trying to work out as said above

Despite my complete disagreement with him, SleepyK does come across town.

Can't think of anything more tonight, I am on my 4th soccer game lol and can hardly keep eyes open

[jasonT1981]

Jason - what do you think about the suspicion on you?

Not bothered as of yet, If I have any outstanding questions/things to comment on I'd be happy to answer them.. I usually get thought of as scum day 1 anyway, so its normal and nothing I worry about.

[jasonT1981]

So, the reason I was asking you for a readslist is to see how easy it would be to get you to provide one (as you did here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3935162) and MagnaOfIllusion's subsequent comment in the next post was somewhat interesting too. I know you can provide reads lists as scum like you did in TM2012 so I am not sure if it is a slam dunk tell but it still bugs me that you didn't provide one even after being asked twice.

I actually have given a list of people I think are scum/town already, all be it not a top to bottom. But I have given my most solid town/scum reads a few times now in this game

[jasonT1981]

If you think I am scum, you really should shoot me. You've been shouting about it.

Sleepy is town. It would be a bad shot.

[jasonT1981]

So whats the point/reasons behind the vote change?

Do I detect nervous scum partner not wanting buddy to be lynched so try to derail it last minute? lol

[jasonT1981]

If you are to shoot someone... I would shoot Speedy, its not just lurking, its scum coasting trying to remain under the radar and not be noticed occasionally popping up and saying something fluff to avoid a prod.

There is little to 0 game content from speedy.... Shoot scum, Shoot Speedy.

[jasonT1981]

that is assuming you are telling the truth (which I still doubt)

[jasonT1981]

pedit:who's the other? lol

Check post 1 - it has all the hydra heads listed beside Hydra names

[jasonT1981]

what are the odds that scum just lurk the fuck out of the game like that? isn't it too ballsy? too attention attracting, even more than active lurking?


lol haylen
I played withy ou only once and like 2 years ago so mescuzzy :<

Scum can lurk too.....But its more than just lurking as I said

[jasonT1981]

jason I would really like to engage you in discussion about your scumslip so as to draw more attention to your scumslip

Then do, you have my attention, where is my 'scum slip'

[jasonT1981]

If you think I am scum, you really should shoot me. You've been shouting about it.

Sleepy is town. It would be a bad shot.

"You should shoot me instead of that guy."
A townie would not say this.

No, I am saying he should shoot the person he has been shouting is scum for the last X pages instead of someone else. It doesn't make sense for him to shoot someone else other than the one he is saying is scum.. which is why I believe his claim is fake.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, just on the off chance Shos is telling the truth - Shouldn't we use this to towns advantage and dictate who he shoots to optimize the chances of hitting scum?

My suggestion would be shoot the 2nd highest wagon at time of lynch.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, firstly my comments on controlling the shot raised some suspicion on me, I now feel my comments were justified. Town should have controlled the shot in the event Shos was telling the truth (which surprisingly he was)

Half his scum reads were people on his wagon or said he was scum...he was changing his target anytime someone said he was scum and was basically a wildcard. This is why I thought it best for town to dictate who he shot.

[jasonT1981]

Haha well yeah who the fuck knows who hes gonna shoot if hes actually town looks like missing a few screws but idc as long as its npt one

us

. agree outing masons this early would suck hard

anyway im out cant stay awake longer for the fli

^ looks like a softclaim of masons

and sad just softclaimed masons that is why i think there are masons in the game.

like this is pretty obv why the fuck are you trying to misrep me metal.

you would probs be the best shot given your tendency to absolutely fuck games over and I won't cry if he does. I do think you are town but I have told you I do not want to play with you unless we are hydraing and I can reign you in.

Why the hell would you point out openly a softclaim that some may have not caught? this post only served to highlight the claim and outting another role.

Speedy, or Helium need to be gone today... I am more leaning to Speedy due to complete uselessness in this game with nothing but fluff postings and acting like a hyper little girl not caring about finding scum.

VOTE: Speedy S

[jasonT1981]

"but how do you know that scum have daytalk, if you're not SCUM!?????!??"

the encryptor claims hint towards that

[jasonT1981]

Haha well yeah who the fuck knows who hes gonna shoot if hes actually town looks like missing a few screws but idc as long as its npt one us.

agree outing masons this early would suck hard

anyway im out cant stay awake longer for the fli

Agree, and then Helium goes and does just that....

[jasonT1981]

Jason's recent posting sucks ass. 1638 is way too self aware in a way I don't see coming from a town POV at all

. it doesn't matter NOW that shos was flip flopping around and if he really believed this he should have mentioned it before. as it is it reads as scum trying to get his town cred from shos flipping town.

vote: Jason

Ummm I DID mention it before, right before the hammer

Alright, just on the off chance Shos is telling the truth - Shouldn't we use this to towns advantage and dictate who he shoots to optimize the chances of hitting scum?

My suggestion would be shoot the 2nd highest wagon at time of lynch.

[jasonT1981]

the deaths make me want to cry

poor vigs poor imperium



BUT! I did find SK post very ironic

Vote: Speedy Saki

For that post.

Check out Speedy ISO... there is nothing at all... all posts are like this, complete fluff and not engaged in game at all

[jasonT1981]

I think you're reading too much into things to justify your own vote. I Actually HAD brought up the fact he was calling people who voted him scum before that post

Its funny

I suddenly argue with Shos and now hes going to shoot me (assuming his claim is true which I don't believe it is)

Remember when I was going after Speedy and he was posting he loved my post... all of a sudden I vote and push him... he wants me dead thinking I am scum

OMGUS!!

If you think I am scum, you really should shoot me. You've been shouting about it.

Sleepy is town. It would be a bad shot.

"You should shoot me instead of that guy."
A townie would not say this.

No, I am saying he should shoot the person he has been shouting is scum for the last X pages instead of someone else. It doesn't make sense for him to shoot someone else other than the one he is saying is scum.. which is why I believe his claim is fake.

and

VOTE: shos

Not been happy with him calling scum then not backing it up with anything

who did I call scum apart from speedy?

you guys would rather that I am killed right now instead of lynched.

why?

this seems like desperate attempt to stay alive with Appeal to emotion/WIFOM

and how desperate can I be at L-5 when there's a larger wagon up there? lol

how is this even AtE/wifom?

1 who did you call scum without further backing it up... well we have exhibit A

My role PM doesn't specify when I can talk but I asked Zach and he said I can talk until he tells me otherwise.

The reason I claimed is because I knew the way I changed my mind looked bad from the outside. So I figured I would be lynched if I didn't explain my reasoning and I couldn't explain my reasoning without claiming. I guess I just didn't put as much faith in neighbors as I do masons. When I was suggesting giving up day talk I wasn't thinking about there being masons.

VOTE: Juls

scum thought process found

>>>>right there<<<<


got it nailed it lets go dinner

And Exhibit B

also sleepykrew is scummy to be dead



because of 441(?) I think

As for how is it AtE/WIFOM

How is saying 'You don't want to lynch me, you would rather have me dead in night' not
1)AtE 2) WIFOM

I had been pointing out those who suspected him as scum were being accused of being scum by him

[jasonT1981]

Maybe the last one is not a great example, but the point still stands I had called him out over OMGUS before he was lynched

[jasonT1981]

Speedy - who do you think is scum and why?

Who do you think is most likely town and why?

Is there anything in the game you have noticed, that no one else has noticed that could be of help to town?

[jasonT1981]

the deaths make me want to cry

poor vigs poor imperium



BUT! I did find SK post very ironic

Vote: Speedy Saki

For that post.

Check out Speedy ISO... there is nothing at all... all posts are like this, complete fluff and not engaged in game at all

My initial reaction to this is that jason is coaching Slice. However, given that it's extremely likely that scum have daytalk, it's less damning.

I mean, the majority of the town is aggravated at Saki, but this is so calm..... "check it out, man" -- there's no ire.

But still:

VOTE: jason

I had mentioned a number of times Speedy ISO showed nothing. I was more happy that someone finally picked up what I was thinking more than anything.

The 2 votes on Shos.. do you think his opening line 'also, damnit, I wanted to replace to scumslot' was over compensating for actually replacing into a scumslot?

@Slice of Life

- I actually voted Speedy Saki for that very reason, but nothing has come of it yet. I would be happy with a lynch on the slot.

Juls replace out request.. I am in two minds

1) Frustrated town fed up of pleading her case
2 caught scum looking an out.

Not 100% sure which way I lean on this.... I need to sleep on it.

The 2 votes on Shos.. do you think his opening line 'also, damnit, I wanted to replace to scumslot' was over compensating for actually replacing into a scumslot?

@Slice of Life

- I actually voted Speedy Saki for that very reason, but nothing has come of it yet. I would be happy with a lynch on the slot.

Right now I think Speedy Saki needs the rope today, there is very little to show Speedy actually is willing to scumhunt or even bother. All fluff with little actual game discussion, like scum trying to coast by and stay under the radar

take a look at speedy saki's entire ISO. its entirity should take you about 1 minute to read fully and understand.

this 100% Saki needs rope today.

[jasonT1981]

that has nothing to do with my point and I get the feeling you just strawmanned me on purpose

Half his scum reads were people on his wagon or said he was scum...he was changing his target anytime someone said he was scum and was basically a wildcard.

This is why I thought it best for town to dictate who he shot.

you used this and said you thought it was a reason for town to dictate who shos would shoot.

the fact you thought him flip flopping on reads was a reason to LYNCH him was irrelevant. if you thought it was a good reason for TOWN TO CONTROL THE KILL, which is what you're saying here, you would have brought it up when it actually happened, so that it would actually be relevant at that time.

but you didn't make that link anywhere. as it is, it reads like you used that excuse after the fact to get town cred from shos flipping town and misshooting.

Keep telling yourself that if its what helps you get by justifying your vote.

[jasonT1981]

nah jason, speedy saki is town. try again

-marquis

Can you explain why?

[jasonT1981]

why would jason scum kill his only ally? far as i can tell tammy didn't (doesn't?) crumb and nacho is MIA

I'm not assuming jason was singlehandly deciding the NKs. it's probable the other members thought tammy was the best kill even tho she thought jason was town

and on that topic, we think slice of life is prob scum and it makes a shitton of sense scum mastin would kill nacho as revenge before he gets to do anything

You seem to know more about the night kill reasonings than anyone else right now......

[jasonT1981]

also I love how jason's reaction to me pushing him was to OMGUS me. that seems like scum flail 101 right there.

not OMGUS since I haven't even said I think you are scum... just that you seemed to know more about the NKs

[jasonT1981]

Keep telling yourself that if its what helps you get by justifying your vote.

dodging isn't gonna fly with me, sorry

I didn't avoid.. I've directly answered you twice.

As I said.. 1) I had already in D1 expressed concerns we should control the kill if he was telling the truth 2) had already pointed out on a few occasions he was going after those who went after him.

As I say, if you want to tell yourself otherwise, knock yourself out.

[jasonT1981]

IMPLICATIONS

more an observation

[jasonT1981]

Juat an observation as I said, as it seemed you knew more about NK reasons than anyone else......it was 'interesting' speculation.

[jasonT1981]

he thinks I scumslipped here

If you think I am scum, you really should shoot me. You've been shouting about it.

Sleepy is town. It would be a bad shot.

whut
scumslip

Juat an observation as I said, as it seemed you knew more about NK reasons than anyone else......it was 'interesting' speculation.

So are you gonna do anything with this observation orrrrrr

^THIS. if it was just an observation, what the hell was he trying to do with it?

it came from a mindset of him accusing us as scum and then he backpedaled on it once he realized it wouldn't work

not right now, its only an observation, it will be interesting to note over the following few days if he has any more 'insights' into the night kills. It's nothing to go on now, I am not calling him scum... just noting it COULD be worth looking at down the line

[jasonT1981]

Actually, a quick look at Jason in SleepyK ISO... He is asked a lot about his scum read on me, and avoids it EVERY TIME.

jason stuff later

okay someone asked me why jason is scum but I doubt he will be today's lynch so I'd rather not add that noise (it's probably in my ISO somewhere)

Sure, give your reasons why I am scum, then I'll do something 'useful'

Or you could be proactive

you risk looking like a retard for the rest of the game, js

You can just go fuck off you goddamn pair of useless pricks



I'm glad we're all huggy happy feely now. Or at least maybe until helium posts again. There will be postgame WORDS.
jason doing scum things etc

Who are your scum reads sleepy?

strongest are Juls, jason, and SAD

Who are your scum reads sleepy?

strongest are Juls, jason, and SAD

these are town reads of mine to various degrees.

Juls reaction today didn't soften your scum read at all?

why on jason and SAD?

Juls's reaction besides hydra stuff? Because hydra stuff is thoroughly alignment-irrelevant.
jason and SAD because of their scumpostings
As I've said I'm not gonna make a case when I don't think the lynch is viable

So there you go, Sleepy has been shouting for my lynch since day 1... but has provided sweet shite all in way of reasoning, going out of his way to activly avoid answering multiple times why I am scum or to put a case on me and then uses the weak as piss water beer excuse of a scumslip which isn't even a scumslip


So either put up a case, or STFU

[jasonT1981]

I didn't avoid.. I've directly answered you twice.

As I said.. 1) I had already in D1 expressed concerns we should control the kill if he was telling the truth 2) had already pointed out on a few occasions he was going after those who went after him.

As I say, if you want to tell yourself otherwise, knock yourself out.

you did not "directly answer" me. I'm accusing you of 2 things:

1. you said on D1 you brought up shos scumreading everyone who was scumreading him as a reason we should control who he shoots, but you never said that - you said these things independently and brought up 2 as a reason for thinking he was scum, but never brought up 2 explicitly as a reason for 1.
2. strawmanning said argument when pressured about it.

what you said might be true, but IT'S NOT RELEVANT HERE. you're manipulating irrelevant evidence to fit your argument and hoping you can just shake it off.

I'm not "looking to justify my vote", I'm looking for an explanation. explain why you did both of those plz

more an observation

this is bullshit. let's suppose it's just an "observation". what was your thought process behind making that observation?

it's p obvious you're thinking of it as a reason for us being scum. the obvious implication behind what you said is that, since we "seem to know more" about NKs, we're scum who was planning it out. and there's no reason to point smth like that out otherwise. so this feels like you're backpedaling on your previous stance now that you're being pressured for it.

You've had multiple explications and examples backing it up, if you don't get it, fine.. not my problem.

[jasonT1981]

what I said is true, but not relevant?

LOL please, bitch!

How can it be true then dismissed as not relevant.



Oh yes, because you use that to justify your BS postings. You're full of it.

[jasonT1981]

misrepping at its finest
I'm at Best Buy want me to get you anything?

Not mis-repping... directly quoting.

Multiple times you have dodged actually giving proper reasons

[jasonT1981]

All the town are voting Jason right now I can assure you


Except sleepkrew, dunno about him

What is it about Sleepy that makes you think he maybe scum (i assume this is what you mean)

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: jason

bad jason

can you expand on this, please?

I don't think D1 you said a word about me....

[jasonT1981]

Its hardly misrepping when I am showing each time he is asked about a case on me he avoids it and doesn't give an answer aside from the 'scum slip'

Look in his ISO he has not presented a case.. just a lot of

Jason is scum
Jason is scum but I will explain later.

[jasonT1981]

no sugoku is pretty obv town

i actually agree with your hoopla insight

can you

PLEASE

give some insights into your reads etc.. your comments seem random, without substance.

[jasonT1981]

thats fine, I've responded to everything.. just because you don't accept my answer, doesn't mean I am blowing you off.

[jasonT1981]

I don't buy Jason's indignation. F-16 and I have been looking through some of his scumgames and he can fake the indignation he's shown here as scum.

1751 is a huge ass fencesit and feels like an excuse he just made up. it especially doesn't add up given Jason is scumreading us (?)

I have

NOT ONCE

said I am scum reading you... no where have I suggested I think you are scum. I am saying that right now what you said may be useful later in the game to look at.

[jasonT1981]

just because I think you're full of BS in your 'case' against me, does not mean I think you are scum.

I think you are wrong, which is why I am saying you're full of BS.

That is NOT saying you are scum. If I was saying you are scum.. I would come out and say Scum.

Saying you are wrong and full of BS is

NOT

saying you are scum...

Does that make sense to you? Two different things.

You're REALLY starting to grasp at straws here.....

[jasonT1981]

This is how I feel right now dealing with Sugoi

[jasonT1981]

sorry
why do you not think they're scum?
back to Mashups

Because town can be wrong too?

Being wrong is not a sign of being scum...

anyway, where is this case on me you keep shouting about but never produce?

[jasonT1981]

I didn't say he was lying... I said he was wrong... I have no doubt he believes what he is saying is right, but he is actually wrong factually.

Show me word for word where I outright say

1) He is lying
2) He is scum

Because I have been accused of both, and yet neither of those has come out of my mouth (or keyboard)

edit preview: being wrong is different from lying... being wrong is not being correct about something... lying is well, knowing you're wrong but pushing it as fact anyway.

You are also really stretching here....

And yes, you're stalling.. you have been shouting (metaphorically) I am scum since day 1... and not produced jack shit deflecting EVERY time you are asked to produce your case.. and here you do it once again... so put up or once and for all shut up.

[jasonT1981]

these last two pages have been like listening to two 5 year olds talk.....jesus.

[jasonT1981]

these last two pages have been like listening to two 5 year olds talk.....jesus.

"I AM EXPRESSING ANNOYMENT BUT NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE"

I have all but given up engaging with you pair, simply because you are both full of fluff and no longer worth it and there is no solid answers from either of you. Speedy especially... anyone who suspects me is scum.. anyone who thinks I am town is town is just... horrible.

As I said, I'm done with you until you actually produce something solid which again you have fluffed off with ' case later '

Okay let's hunt scum. I love your jason read (case later today probably). I'm not sold on Juls or helium though.

Also I should probably read Slandar stuff. Wanna be my study buddy?

[jasonT1981]

SAD - I do see it, its nothing but horrible WIFOM but nothing that would make me put a vote down just on that... I really have not kept up with the Slandaar case due to my 'ineractions' with Tweedledee dee and Tweedledum dumb

[jasonT1981]

how come you haven't used it yet?

[jasonT1981]

I think he should use it, and probably use it on me since I am the 2nd highest wagon

[jasonT1981]

I was asking you whether you bought the claim.

I sorta buy it based on the fact Zach is a key part of my setups in my games so I have a bit of insight into his mind when it comes to game design. We have often discussed odd/even night cops many times in my games.. and we have talked about day based roles like this too before.

It's not concrete obviously, but to me this does sound like something Zach might put in a game.

Edit by preview - No, no hammer yet. Lets see if he uses it first

[jasonT1981]

We have 2 days + left... no need to put the hammer down right now.

[jasonT1981]

what the actual fuck.. i come on and lynch already....

Still want Sleepys case. No more putting it off, no more fluff. Put up or shut up.

Speedy needs looked at closer, there is nothing but fluff, OMGUS and buddying with a lot of coasting and no content.

Helium is my other scum read in this game.

pieguyn & Sugoku Sugoi suddenly changing is noteworthy... can they explain since they were dead set I was scum yesterday and seemed like they would go after me today?

[jasonT1981]

ok, I see Sugoku Sugoi explained just before my post and ninja'd me.

Disregard that one

[jasonT1981]

Sigh... I am resigned to being the lynch.. I was yesterday.. But before you repeat a fast lynch like yesterday, I would ask that you wait for Sleepy K to actually post his case.

He has, since day 1 kept fluffing with 'I will post later' and on day 4 has produced nothing except my 'scum slip'

So come on, Sleepy K.. it's day 4.. no more holding off, no more 'later'

NOW!

[jasonT1981]

OK my thoughts incase I am speed lynched before I get back online


Sleepy K needs to put up or shut up with a case, its now day 4 and nothing and keeps fluffing when asked to put it out there... 'later' is always the answer.... well, its day 4 and this has been the staple since day 1. He needs to put his case now, because it is fast looking like an opportunistic jump on a wagon he feels is easy and doesn't have to do work on as others already have me as scum.

I know this is a flip from my earlier thought as town with Sleepy.. but as the days go on.. he is full of fluff when I challange him to put up a case.. he deflects once again just saying I am misrepping him http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5958794 post 1755


Speedy S needs examined and pushed hard... her buddying with Sleepy K towards end of day 2 concerns me greatly... I believe the 2 maybe linked. Speedy is acting like an erratic hyper teenage girl with no opinions of their own... translation stupid bimbo


Helium tried to out masons in day 2... post 1624 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5955517

then goes as far as outright outting a mason in 1627 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5955525

Helium is scum IMO

Desp Desps 2104 seems weird to me... its like he is announcing confirmed towns to scum, helping identify confirmed town so they can take out confirmed towns and leave non confirmed for lynches hoping for mislynches.

VOTE: Helium

[jasonT1981]

No joke u shiuld actually do sonething ur entire game is all fluff no content

ill call ur bluff what are the reasons im scum in ur own opinion, aside from ur epic lol omgus scum reads

[jasonT1981]

not sure atm

I still hate jason and I hated his 2118 - it makes literally 0 sense to push a SS-scum angle at this point and I agree with feu it feels like a bullshit scum angle. and I have literally no idea who the fuck is scum if it's not him. but at the same time, in hindsight, I hate SKrew's claim and I like jason's points on SKrew. so far we have: 2 masons, 2 neighborizers, 3x doc, 2x vig, vengeful, encryptor (?). there's no way in hell we have 2x commuter on top of all this stacked shit.

on top of that, the way he claimed was really off, as if he was trying to avoid being vengekilled by claiming.

we're in the process of looking through our reads again. we agree on SS, helium, and feu as rock solid town.

Urgh... I guess your right about Speedy, I am totally frustrated with their playstyle its like a hyper teenager on speed. The 'your scum if you think I am scum... your town if you think I am town' is a prime example. Their scum and town reads are fully dependant on who thinks they are scum/town.

[jasonT1981]

I'm a few pages behind as I am just back online. Give me a bit to catch up I'll try and address any points made

[jasonT1981]

I'm a few pages behind as I am just back online. Give me a bit to catch up I'll try and address any points made

[jasonT1981]

I probably won't be on again before a lynch if going by yesterday, Please hold of at least and force Sleepy K to finally post his case 'later' he has been promising since day 1

I'm Vanilla Town, no powers no nothing

I'm resigned to my lynch.. but please...

don't let Sleepy K skip by on this because once I am lynched he will shrug it off with NEVER having to answer the case he has promised since day 1 and keeps fluffing off and will post 'later'

Make him post his case first. Please.

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: SleepyKrew

It's now day 4.. he has yet to produce jack shit on me and has shouted non stop I am scum, promised multiple times to post why and still hasn't on day 4 as we close on my lynch.

All shout, no action.. knowing this is a lynch that is possible and he doesn;t have to do any work.

Don't let him away with it.

[jasonT1981]

I honestly was... its piss poor, I would be on someone for it too and understand why it makes me look bad, but it is true. I got so caught up in defending myself I didn't get a chance to realize what else was going on around me.

That is on me, I should have tried to be aware but got caught up in defending myself so much I didn't/

Sug is town, I don't agree with everything he has said, but he does seem like he is hunting scum.

Feu... I am not sure on... I would lean town as he too seems to be looking for scum.

Sleepy K and Helium are my two main scum reads.. yes, Sleepy is a flip from my previous, but I think I have explained enough why I have changed

Perpetual Nonsense is also scum.. well, I think so.. which is more gut.

That would take it up to 4 scum.. I would say there is either 4 scum or 5 at most.. most likely 4 IMO

Juls is most likely town too... Not a strong read as town, but not in my scum reads above so POE makes her town.

But ffs please... make Sleepy K post his case... its day 4 and he has coasted by promising much, delivering nothing.

[jasonT1981]

Hi I've been skimming along
Jason, please stop fucking whining. I know it sucks when there's no case for you to cleverly refute. Live and learn. I'd be happy to tell you

why

I never made one though. D1, not enough time. D2, I think I was busy. D3, obvious. Today, seems unnecessary.
Children, gather 'round. Allow me to give you all a quick mafia theory lesson.
Let's look at chamber's title. "Cases are Scummy"
Cases are

scummy

?!?! But how so ever could that be?
It's context-based. There are times when cases are bad for a town. If there are enough people that agree for a lynch, and the loudest advocate for a case is the guy getting lynched, then a case might be unnecessary. In fact, it could be detrimental, because I'm almost certain if I made a case and jason responded, the two of us would argue for pages, because I know I lack the self-control to not fall for that. If enough non-jasons say they want a case, I'll make one, but I doubt that will be necessary seeing as we already have enough for a lynch (I think).

Also, to whoever be asking if I used my shots, I'm not fucking telling you.

More importantly, I'm not voting at the moment because
1) I want Feu to explain their hammer yesterday (has anyone even brought this up?!)
and 2) I'll let you non kill-immune people have some more time to chat (if you are scared scum please see bottom of post)

Back to my research.


PS to scared scum
Are you really scared enough to play outguess the commute? You wanna dance? I'll dance. Let the music play, bitches.

Translation - I got fuck all and am going to bluff.... lynch this fucking lying scum. You're opportunistic and hoping the lynch will appear without you having to jack shit.

[jasonT1981]

Sorry, what post was it and I'll answer

[jasonT1981]

@ jason

what is your preferred alignment?

In general? 3rd party.. preferably lyncher... it was the most fun role/alignment I ever had. It was an offsite game though.

[jasonT1981]

@ jason

what is your preferred alignment?

In general? 3rd party.. preferably lyncher... it was the most fun role/alignment I ever had. It was an offsite game though.

In Team Mafia 2012 and one other game you said you preferred to be scum.

yup, back then thats how I felt. I enjoy being scum too, but looking back over old games offsite a year or so ago I found a game in which I was lyncher and remembered how much I enjoyed it. Town without doubt is my least favourite alignment unless I have a power role but still 3rd party/scum/town...

[jasonT1981]

Speedi Saki - can you expalin your town/scum reads please... all I have seen from you is 'scum if they think I am scum, town if they think I am town'

I would like to know more in depth from you.

[jasonT1981]

Why are you not voting?

If I am scum in your mind like you have shouted for 4 days... your vote should be on me...

Again, more proof Sleepy is fluffing and BSing his way to wanting me lynched

[jasonT1981]

But you know what's really fucking annoying? You posting shit like that "lol r u trolling" because it really pisses me off. Either I'll post my stuff before my lynch or I won't. You'll either see it or you won't. Calling me a fucking troll before you even know if I'm going to do something serves no purpose (which is why I want that stupid jason broken record to please SHUT UP because

I've already said I'm going to post the fucking case

and no one needs you to remind them that I've said that).

Y'all fuckers gonna let me say my piece and do my thang before I boogie on out.

Jason, please stop fucking whining. I know it sucks when there's no case for you to cleverly refute. Live and learn. I'd be happy to tell you

why

I never made one though. D1, not enough time. D2, I think I was busy. D3, obvious.

Today, seems unnecessary.

[jasonT1981]

seemed un-necessary because I was leading wagon and you didn't have to do shit.

[jasonT1981]

translation - I didn't have to do a thing and you could just champion the lynch and never post reasons why

now you actually have to do some work and we are still waiting on this magic post you promised nearly 24 hours ago.

[jasonT1981]

prod dodge, I will have a reply to the 'case' in the morning. Spent majority of today trying to re-arrange furniture :/

[jasonT1981]

Do you think NS was killed because he's a Mason? lol

you know something we don't?

Do

you

think he was? Why him over Speedy? Speedy is actually starting to put some effort in, unlike NS.

The jason bit is because hey what a coincidence scum didn't pick up on it and jason didn't pick up on it and jason is scum 3 for 3!

3 for 3 what? o.O

you had something about the scum rolecop in your argument. what was that about?

scum didn't pick up on it
jason didn't pick up on it
jason is scum
3 for 3
Rolecop is the only think that makes sense for knowing Speedy is a Mason without knowing it's with NS.
So, what's

your

explanation for calling Speedy a Mason?

LOL Silly at best.... I didn't catch mason and therefore I am scum? This is nothing but reaching at best.

FUCKING FOUND IT
I KNEW IT WAS THERE
took forever but not as long as I expected

sad softclaimed masons yesterday so unless metal wants to back him up then sad is most likely scum. it looked like it was a claim under the anxiety that shos might venge him. and then the follow-up today "it was a gambit" makes me think he is full of shit. cos, halfclaims are shit under that setting.

OKAY EVERYONE
I'm throwing my reads out the window (somewhat)
THIS post
helium calls Speedy a Mason, but does not mention NS. If you picked up on Speedy's crumbs, you'd have clearly known they were crumbing with NS. How else could someone have known Speedy is a Mason? SCUM ROLECOP DUN DUN DUN
This means the scumteam didn't pick up on the (fairly obvious) Mason crumbs.
Guess who clearly didn't pick up on the crumbs? jason!
VOTE: jason
I can't see myself voting anyone besides these two right now.

Any questions?

this is your whole fucking case? LOLOLOLOL DIE SCUM, JUST FUCKING DIE

Spoiler: der scümfeck

then we lynch him, if he is miller, we lynch you... simples

scumfuckery

I'll let you work it out

scumfuckery

I was more or less reaction fishing.. wanted to see what reaction would come of a proposed 1 vs 1.... If X claims miller, and Y is lynched flipping miller we lynch X.

this was however before the talk of multiple encryptors which does sorta render my idea useless now.

I did something scummy, aka "reaction fishing", and I don't even have to make up a result to the fish! scumfuckery

I have you leaning scum, but not enough for a vote. I think you know full well what I meant though.Do you not agree that strategically it makes sense to cut scums day talk? My scum thought on you really is because you seem to be closed to cutting scum day talk.

way to dodge the actual point mr scumfuckery*

That concludes everything up until I first began putting off my jason case. I bet if I include stuff that happened later, I'll get bitched at for "that post is from after you started deflecting!" jason's play after this point speaks for itself and if you need an interpreter find someone else.
So there you have it. Nothing groundbreaking or even new. It's not going to change any opinions. Hence why I didn't want to waste time or effort on it. I'll reiterate for the last time that the reason I didn't make the case when it was still relevant (day one) was because we didn't have enough time for a jason lynch and I didn't want to waste the remaining deadline debating a case for a non-viable lynch and distracting from stuff that could be useful for that Day.

Now back to working on actually important stuff. research hype etc expect it later tonight

AGH TOO MANY EMBEDDED QUOTES SOMEWHERE GOT TO GO BACK AND FIX IT* just click the post number to see the full quotes

1) Just saying it is scummy with no actual explination why
2) Just saying it is scummy with no actual explination why
3) I did this in past.. .therefore all scum do it.
4) I never dodged the point.. I answered it repeatidly.. You wanted to keep alive something that potentially could help scum talk during day.. I wanted to cut that link.

Your case is nothing, you're scum.... die scumfuckery

[jasonT1981]

quick question... what day was the Speedy Mason thing I missed that makes me scum?

[jasonT1981]

FUCKING YES! EAT THAT, SLEEPY!!

[jasonT1981]

FUCKING YES! EAT THAT, SLEEPY!!

^scum gloating

Why would scum be gloating.....at the lynch of another scum.

Stop stretching, you are sounding as bad as Sleepy.

[jasonT1981]

FUCKING YES! EAT THAT, SLEEPY!!

^scum gloating

If it is scum gloating, why are you not voting 'scum' ??

[jasonT1981]

V/LA until tomorrow. Friends 30th Birthday tonight, as noted in my V/LA list when signing up

[jasonT1981]

Who has not yet claimed? Me, Jason, Sugo, and helium?

I have claimed, yesterday... Vanilla Town

[jasonT1981]

FUCKING YES! EAT THAT, SLEEPY!!

^scum gloating

Why would scum be gloating.....at the lynch of another scum.

Stop stretching, you are sounding as bad as Sleepy.

To be fair, you had a whole day to let this sink in. When Sleepy flipped scum, Pie and I were high fiving each other in the hydra QT. Then we posted in the neighborhoods about it. Now the excitement has winded down and we are ready to move onto the next day. I don't get why you are excited at this point since you had a lot of time to let the flip sink in.

Since its public we are in the QT neighbourhood together, you will know this was my response as well in there as soon as the flip happened. I guess my post in here served no purpose other than relief that after 4 days of BS aimed at Sleepy ended up flipped scum.

[jasonT1981]

jason you mod games and I wanna talk to you.

like right now.

do neighbourhoods have daytalk w/o an encryptor? yes or no

it seems to me that they do but it seems to be game specific and how many neighborhoods are in play. the 1s I have seen so far seem to be that they only have night talk but in offsite games the encryptor role is not used and it is completely mod dependent.

also why do you say "4 days of bs aimed at skrew" it looks like you are saying that all of your back and forth with skrew is bs and that you are scum together.

like that is how it reads.

you also are not mentioning key interactions like feio's mini meltdown. anti thinks it is fake and we have talked a bit about it but I lean mebbe town.

Depends on the mod I guess. Zach and I sometimes go with 1 scum and 1 town neighborizers in my games when we use them (though that is not aways)

Encryptors I have never used for neighborhood. I have never even come across them for them.....neighborhoods are usually talk any time hence neighborhoods I have never ... encryptor is usually a scum role, and serves to allow scum to talk and only scum.

The BS SK threw at me, well he spent 4 days screaming I am scum, riling up everyone trying to get my lynch without doing any work himself, when he finally was forced to put his case, it was weak as hell and bullshit.

[jasonT1981]

As for the meltdown.. in my experience... its usually town who melts down... ive been known to do it myself. I've tried to fake it in the past as scum but got caught due to Sotty lol.

[jasonT1981]

Yea, he put through a very bad case full of fluff.. check out the final 2 posts of day 4 for me reply to it.

I wouldn't put it past zach to do it, but I guess we can only speculate. 2 neighborizers of mixed allignment makes total sense, we've used it plenty of times before... encryptor though, not too sure on.. I've only ever known it as scum unless someone can point me in the direction of a town one ever being used. I've never seen it.

I had Sudoki as town, yes... however his post I replied to an hour or so ago

FUCKING YES! EAT THAT, SLEEPY!!

^scum gloating

Why would scum be gloating.....at the lynch of another scum.

Stop stretching, you are sounding as bad as Sleepy.

To be fair, you had a whole day to let this sink in. When Sleepy flipped scum, Pie and I were high fiving each other in the hydra QT. Then we posted in the neighborhoods about it. Now the excitement has winded down and we are ready to move onto the next day. I don't get why you are excited at this point since you had a lot of time to let the flip sink in.

Since its public we are in the QT neighbourhood together, you will know this was my response as well in there as soon as the flip happened. I guess my post in here served no purpose other than relief that after 4 days of BS aimed at Sleepy ended up flipped scum.

He saw the exact same post in the neighborhood we are in how excited I was when Sleepy flipped scum, but is now seemingly trying to make it out as fake in the game thread.

[jasonT1981]

The one thing I will say about setup speculation with Zach... I think he will have mixed things up though so anything is possible. He knows I know his traits etc so I do think he would have thrown some curveballs on pupose lol.

[jasonT1981]

I am thinking one of Sugoku Sugoi & Feu et Vol are scum... not sure, but would lean on Feu right now if I had to choose.

[jasonT1981]

I am thinking one of Sugoku Sugoi & Feu et Vol are scum... not sure, but would lean on Feu right now if I had to choose.

there's more than one scum left

I'm aware of that... lol.

[jasonT1981]

After all that with SK you still believe I am scum? Jesus christ and it was bussing.....right from the start?

Alright, just like Sleepy...present your case.

[jasonT1981]

The BS SK threw at me, well he spent 4 days screaming I am scum, riling up everyone trying to get my lynch without doing any work himself, when he finally was forced to put his case, it was weak as hell and bullshit.

this was softbussing

SOFT... LOL FUCKING SOFT?

Catch a grip mate.

He screamed non stop to lynch me (kinda like you're doing now) without doing a thing.

vote: Feu et Vol

You can call it OMGUS if you want, I don't give a flying fuck... He is picking up were Sleepy left off

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: Jason

lol, please..

[jasonT1981]

Some people I haven't really interacted with SleepyKrew, SaintKerrigan, Jason, etc.

I think Jason is town

based on how he handled himself earlier in the day and trying to figure out the setup.

Town:

Feu et Vol
Sugoku Sugoi
Imperium

Juls
SleepyKrew
Hoopla

Desperado
Jason
Speedy Saki
Nobody Special
SAD
Nero
Slandaar
Slice of Life
Helium-3

Perpetual Nonsense
SaintKerrigan
Not_Mafia

The bolded are a definite town bloc that I feel very comfortable trusting. That should be where the townbloc begins if one is ever going to form.

pedit:

That was all anti?



Well, I'll add

him

to the list then.

By the way, Zach has never run a game with Miller in it, so... Yeah.

I think

Jason's vote is more town since he is engaging other avenues.

Tempted to start a counterwagon to Not_Mafia via SaintKerrigan but ugh no one would follow me.

I am mostly trying to parse out SAD. I think Tammy kill implicates him. Slandaar's flip will help me in that regard.
Plus I think Jason is town.

Why the sudden change without reason?

Thinking its an easy lynch still/

[jasonT1981]

I don't have a case so you'll have to bear with me.

So you vote someone without a case on them... and vote someone you have called town...

Do you even think I am scum? Or just looking a lynch.

vote:Oversoul

Why vote someone, if you don't have a case? thats not town..

thats Sleepy scum talking

[jasonT1981]

So.. you don't actually have a case to justifiy putting on a vote... but you do....

you have said I am town all game only to lay down a vote without reason

Now you, after voting are going back to look for a case to make...

this is not town play.

[jasonT1981]

I waited 4 days for Sleepy.. I guess I can be paintent to an extent

[jasonT1981]

Well yes I am trying to survive. Would it be better town play to just lay here and let you all lynch me?

town don't try to survive......

Scum, now they have to try and survive.

Town should focus on finding scum, not self preservation

[jasonT1981]

I mentioned as much about Jason's indie comment earlier. But I don't know what to think of it because that was TWO years ago and Jason said it was an offsite game I believe. I don't think I have seen him in any sort of discussion where his preferences would have come up before this game so it isn't like I have a way to say this directly contradicts a recent previous statement which I admit is more credible.

I think you're blowing this all out of proportions, yes 2 years ago in 2012 I said I enjoyed playing scum... since then I have changed my own opinion on things... that's hardly scummy is it though? I still do enjoy playing as scum... look at Kingmaker that Zach ran.

But I changed my mind due to a past game.... is that scummy? is that a contradiction?

It would have been a contradiction IF I had said different within a very short time period.. like this game.

[jasonT1981]

Feu et Vol how are you confirmed town, have I missed something?

[jasonT1981]

CAN MORE PEOPLE VOTE FOR BERT PLEASE. HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM HERE. HE IS POSTING EVERYWHERE IN OTHER GAMES, IN SITE CHAT, WHEREVER. BUT NOT HERE.

So why are you not voting him?

[jasonT1981]

Urgh, you're right he is... How the frack did I confuse him with Feu et Vol


I have posted in it, but I'm not active now as its closed due to encryptor death, silly. I honestly just didn't feel engaged in it.

[jasonT1981]

I mean why did you only post once since I joined? Any thoughts on what's happened?

As I already said, I didn't feel engaged in it. It was like a chore to read through and I never felt able to get into the conversation.

[jasonT1981]

Getting back from my vacation today. Can't wait to post from a computer.

@helium

What exactly are your thoughts of the neighborhood?

Would it not make sense to discuss things in game, not in neighbourhood since not everyone has access to it?

[jasonT1981]

I mean why did you only post once since I joined? Any thoughts on what's happened?

As I already said, I didn't feel engaged in it. It was like a chore to read through and I never felt able to get into the conversation.

So you're choosing to ignore loads of game content because it was a chore to read through a page worth of posts? You didn't/don't have to be involved in it. I'm just curious as to what you thought about the points we each brought up. About each other and Feu.

I'll take a re-read over it, but feeling like death this day So I will get to it.

[jasonT1981]

so NOW you want to lynch jason

no objections tho

VOTE: jason

at this point can we please just go for the guaranteed scum lynch instead of trying to start yet another town pissing match? (f16 this is for you)

remind me again why I am guarenteed scum?

[jasonT1981]

So basically, you're willing to lynch anyone just for a lynch??

[jasonT1981]

Fuck it, I give up... another day of lynch Jason without any case for me to answer

Fuck it, you deserve to lose this game

[jasonT1981]

I posted at least two huge meta wall cases on you by now so I have no clue what you are talking about. Why are you still saying that there is no case on you?

Because its exactly that, outdated meta given how little I have played Mafia in the last 2 years. You're entire case is based on past behaviour and not on this game.

[jasonT1981]

/Bah! go town!

[jasonT1981]

Meh...

well done, scum

[jasonT1981]

Meh...

well done, scum