Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

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hi guys

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I may or may not be doing a ffery impression

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I'm scumreading nacho

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Bert this sepia is annoying me make it stop

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

serenade me

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Bert this sepia is annoying me make it stop

DONE!

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kthx is probly town

let it rip, dude

LET IT RIP

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Hey Bert

They're on to us

we better dayvig him before he can get anyone else on this ml wagon

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i dont mean to hurry

but im ready to vote scum whenever you are

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kthxbye is that summer tan perfect mess that needs no buddying, let's ignore him

he'll come around eventually

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No I'd use it on nacho

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I'm still calling him nacho

And I'm scumreading him for being nacho

So there's like 0 point to vote him.

I'mm leaving most of the read to bert because I don't trust nacho, which is why I'm scumreading him.

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Notty, oh notty

Ye of little faith

Vote nacho if u don't trust him, he hasn't given us ansuhz yett

Let's save our moans and groans and teeth gnashing for later!


Mmmm

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The praying mantis has no relation to mantis dreamz.

The praying mantis isgreat at getting voting juices flowing for the townspeople

I said so.

They are dearly beloved!

Off on a tangent, carry on...

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I add no value or cache to the hydra, so the answer is it depends if I add use/value

Notty is hydra savior and the formidable optimist

I am his ailment

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The praying mantis has no relation to mantis dreamz.

this is not true

You're a mutant?

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My alien mutant doctor told me ur seekrit

Fun fact is first game as town in a mantis game

This means occammmmmmmm

If I could mutate u into town I would

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Call him Ossy things

That's wut mollie and I called him in a past game

The name is too long and sounds like a volcano eruption

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I don't know about bert but I've been entirely serious since the game has started

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@TM: You still have NOT addressed my vote on you and the reasons behind it. Explain to me your town motivation for ignoring me along with the town motivation behind the things I called scummy.

Glad you came out today. Thanks for the vote, I'll try to do the best for this district that I can!

Also, a reads list so far would be nice....(since you can't be bothered to produce readable content on your own).

Republican party for dummies by George W. Bush
Those damn nazi democrats by Sarah Palin
I just can't wait to be Prez by Mitt Romney

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Also, a reads list so far would be nice....(since you can't be bothered to produce readable content on your own).

@TM: You still have NOT addressed my vote on you and the reasons behind it. Explain to me your town motivation for ignoring me along with the town motivation behind the things I called scummy.

how about no..

kthxbai

sorry i always wanted to do that

okay coming right up, in a second, in a minute, in an hour, in two days, or right now

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Lmfao

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mantis

d3x

hiplop

my scumreads, idk about my other head

we are both here right now

our faces have gone from red hot to ice cold

true facts, get it straight bro

we a high-profile addition to the division of town

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Bert I think lynx is town

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Lynx may be too nice to be town

oh my god what godly logic, look at it

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everyone else is being uninteresting (EVEN

NOTSCIENCE

AND BERT).

Hey the ten-minute play is beginning...except it has become 10 seconds.

HERE WE GO

The Jilted Notscience.

(clears his throat)

GOD DAMN SHIT FUCK PISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

notscience shatters a glass of water

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I laughed so fucking hard at that last post

holy shit

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that and NS saying that he thought lynx was town, after lynx just stated that her gut scum read could be them
seems kinda... like maybe he was trying to appeal/buddy?

fuck

you caught me

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Trollmates?

Weak.

Mantis I'm sad you haven't been reaching out to us

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and to top it, you had me as scum! that was lame!

our reads list was formed discreetly using random.org

lmao but we lean towards you being scum anyways

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The push on gameplay feels so strong

Like a one way tug of war

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Ossy things is town in my <3

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VOTE: mantis creature

Let's daaaaaaance

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That claim was insanely town rofl

TBSTBS

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I smell bacon.

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Spoiler:

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TunnelMates wishes to read this game today and talk in third person.

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TunnelMates keeps thinking of Quinoa with cranberries whenever Konowa mentions Konowa.

Kin. Wuh.

Konowa.

Kin wuh not talk in third person?

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Yeah sure Ansuz too. I named those players because those players are the ones I'm high on for a lynch.

That's not how you play Runescape.

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TunnelMates keeps thinking of Quinoa with cranberries whenever Konowa mentions Konowa.

Kin. Wuh.

Konowa.

Kin wuh not talk in third person?

its key-no-wuh

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Okay so

Reads: town
Tebow I mean t-bone
Kthxbai
Keenowah

If u want paranoia, think of Mala as governor claiming d1 in wicked . Then compare to gameplay. Similar tude to. Not a hairdo, but attitude 'tude yea

JUST sheep and buddy tebow tbone

It hurts to lynch a pr claim this early

But if he insists

Then we will obey.

I haven't followed this game enough yet to say more

Hm. Yeah.

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^not gameplay.

Hi mantis what u dreaming about

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For me its a dillemma. GP is being annoying as fuck and harmful to town, unfortunately I think hes aligned with town. Is it better to get rid of an anti-town town player (who may be scum) or a IMO better chance at a scum player? I'm going with #2 but it is difficult.

I'm interested in voting hilpol. This tone/snippet is more of a player playing stagnant and hands-off. Doesn't give me a positive impression AT ALL.

VOTE: hiplop

notscience can come in and override with his common sense and competitive expertise, y'all!

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that's lynch minus one

on hip to the boppa lop

i touched my ear lop

bop bop bop

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Spoiler: BERT

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ever felt you were dreaming but found you were wide awake? that's how one of us felt during the night

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Mostly irrelevant, just sharing my musings.

Denigrating your own musings? Controversial, maybe, open to criticism, yep, but irrelevant? not really

Vote: Osseus

hiplop's last words have been haunting me.

why would they haunt you? sometimes people on their deathbed can be surprisingly accurate

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VOTE: Ansuz

The core of the case was the most unstable, and so are the layers on top of it.

Meanwhile, hiplop wagon is fucking gorgeous.

Scum: Lynx #381 was absolutely terrible. And as OS pointed out shes seemingly flailing despite having any pressure. Seems nervous.
HighShroomish

For me its a dillemma. GP is being annoying as fuck and harmful to town, unfortunately I think hes aligned with town. Is it better to get rid of an anti-town town player (who may be scum) or a IMO better chance at a scum player? I'm going with #2 but it is difficult.

This is pretty much his catchup post in his entirety after he doesn't provide shit for 10 days and doesn't attempt to provide shit for 10 days. It takes the two flavors of the day (gameplay and Lynx) and leaves himself avenues to vote either way that the tide turns: if he wants to vote gameplay, than gameplay is simply being too destructive to town in order to be left alive while Lynch is scum because a post was terrible and she's flailing without any pressure (vague reasonings, just sheeping OS).

I was caught up in those games and could easily catch up.

The first time you posted in this game when you were sick, it was page 6. The second time you posted, it was page 9. Neither of those seem a horribly large mountain of posting to catch up and there's no reason you couldn't have said that you were sick or at least made some small effort to catch up (I'm sure the catchup post you made recently took you what, 10 minutes at most?).

I mean you can believe I was sick and not wanting to catch up on a game or you can believe i'm lying across the entire site. I would persuade you by saying I love mafia far too much to ever do that.

I'm also pretty sure that people (d3x if no one else) have pointed out more things than just selective posting, and yet this is the only part of the case against you that you've cared to address.

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(1) Ansuz knows that lurking/lack of effort aren't scumtells.

(2) Nacho didn't gauge much about how reactionary hiplop's posts were in its entirety. Instead, he plays it cool with "gee, this wagon is fucking gorgeous." The more he raved about it, the more fog goes into our minds. So, tldr I don't see how he got that read to put hiplop away with purpose.

???
now why did you hammer?

But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.

Why? You still think that he's scum.
You agree nothing that he's done looks mildly townish.
Are you just afraid to hammer? I can unvote if that's the case.

Now look at this flagrant appeasing on FULL display!

A: I can help you by unvoting.

B: Wait, why did you hammer? what kind of mangling is this

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Osseus vs Lynx is definately not town vs town

Really? Are people blind to Osseus vs Lynx?

Elaborate.

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I doubt hiplop will flip anything but VT. Far too many scummy players on his wagon.

Lynx brought this up, so...PR's aren't invincible and can be wagoned easily. That is all. Really doubtful.

4) If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it? But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.

But you can continue to push this wagon; like I said:

if he pops up town, I'll know who to go after.

If he's scum, then kudos, town!

Vote: Osseus

hiplop's last words have been haunting me.

How does this compute? You weakly state being supportive of the hiplop wagon regardless of the flip, because D1 lynches are helpful either way. You say you know who to go after if hiplop flips town, and then you sheep hilpol's last post saying Osseus is scum.

Did you not have stronger scumreads to pursue?

It's one thing to be lynch-happy and hammer randomly, but this was anything but random how you let Ansuz "convince" you in several minutes/posts to hammer, and that hammering is OK, thereby ending the day just like that. His tactic of pushing you without actually demanding you to vote/hammer worked, and I'm trying to figure out why you were so easily swayed after expressing worry how you might be lynched tomorrow if you hammer and hiplop flips town.

It's like, feeling a burden of a big decision that might doom you, and then suddenly changing your tune to "OK, I'm good with this! Let's go with option B!"

tl;dr you really made yourself stand out yesterday

Though I'm seeing Ansuz pop up already, today. He's another player that raised eyebrows in day 1, especially near the end. Will have to read again!

Go, town!

i hope you dont keep cheering town on like this, it just sows seeds of distrust about you

I will not say that it's unlikely that Nacho and you are together, given how balls to the walls Nacho is as either alignment.

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mantis is your scumread on us dissipating because you know that if we jump on your wagon, that you'll be the frontrunner to jump into death candyland?

u dancing delicate waltzing u

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why the fuck is mantis being wagoned

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Prod dodge. Will read up and talk this over tonight.

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BERT
DEAR BERT
can you please tell me what about this case, based on the quotes I've selected, is bullshit?

Prince, I mean David Price, I mean Prince

PRINCE

it's not? Pressed for time (SORRY!) but I did read your last posts and dun feel inclined to hold your dance moves up, which remind me of Groundhog Day! Let's all go to Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania now!

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notscience will make gawgeous posts that make you think of strawberries and candy canes today!

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UNVOTE:

Just read up until the hider and 1-shot vig claims. I can still see geraintm as an SK, if one exists. I believe kthxbai, already had a townread on him/her anyways, not sure what info she/he may be hiding because something's up with geraint and gameplay's claim content (ffery-game). gameplay is probably town.

Still reading.

VOTE: gertaintm

deer in headlights

Well I am too I haven't thought about this game since my last batch of posts. Please hold and call your girlfriend and have the talk, and hopefully I'll say something back by then!

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Oh no, gameplay506 is leaving? Who's going to give me the attention I crave so?

YOU ARE LYNX /conspiracy

DUN DUN DUN

LOL

On a more serious note, I still think these Nacho pushes are made with malice afterthought. I'm still going through this game, but

tl;dr the unexpected changes, a lot of it feels like intentionally giving off the vibe of something truly impressive, when in reality it's just pursuing something other than a vote park.

Back later, this kerfuffle killed my last remaining brain cells because I'm dum. Hey, kthxbai, dum rhymes with scum! But I no scum.

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So

I tried to read up

And I got to page 20

And all I could tell you about the pages before was "gameplay wagon happened and gameplay seemed town."

Anyways.

Why are you scumreading ansuz mantis

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wat

I forgot this game was a thing for like

pages

so I'm trying to get back in

What do you mean

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I don't

All I remember w as liking you early and liking gameplay's claim

that's about it

pedit-

oh

I was confused

dont mind me

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Hi guys and girls, knuckleheads, I summoned notty this morning because im kinda busy and playing terribly lol

have my guttural reads which i promise are less than perfect

perfect in voice and soul

Konowa
Osseus pseudotripodis
gameplay506
d3x (cos "cleared")
Kthxbye

approaching perfectness

geraintm

please unleash your inner beauty

HighShroomish (who is this lol)

pretty please be perfect, but i dunno

Burning_Earth
Mantisdreamz

not perfect enough, at least for me

Ansuz
LynxKuronek

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As for Lynx, I stand by what I said about the incredible reluctance to vote hiplop and then the revealing hammer - consider how calculated he seemed about what others might think about the hammer beforehand...

and today the trend has continued with his voting timelines where he is just a follower of Ansuz's voting patterns. Too credulous.

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So I'm trying to give off the impression of dazzling everyone with magical god cases? Where?

Everywhere.

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VOTE: Lynx

IDK bout other head but i dont really have a ton of time to spare atm, i can buy this wagon over the other ones

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To dodge a prod

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taylor swift is a goddess

oops

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Spoiler: NOTSCIENCE PLZ READ

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VOTE: Ansuz

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@Tunnel - I have no idea where you're coming from or what your goals are in this game. Is that intentional? Let me know, I could always...(wait for it)...tunnel you.

We're in a prolonged IRL lull/slump that has nothing to do with mafia in general. You can tunnel, but to tell the truth all of our inactivity is null in the grand scheme of things. Easy to lynch, yes. Up to you. If you're hard-headed and stubborn enough to try and get us lynched, you can probably get it done. All comes down to your agenda.

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We are in this game

Just struggling to produce content.

Our pushes on lynx and nacho were for real, we still feel that way

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We already answered that to other players several times on Day 2. It is still Day 2, but this day has been drawn out.

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Josh seems pretty town. I modded a game which he was scum in, and I feel this is more townish by far.

On a side note, I don't really have a preference for who kthxbye hides behind. I don't see anything wrong with attempting to clear Thor. It's also the least risky way to try to clear, right? Since gameplay (thor's predecessor) said his kill doesn't resolve that night or something.

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Spoiler: Thor only

VOTE: Ansuz

The core of the case was the most unstable, and so are the layers on top of it.

Meanwhile, hiplop wagon is fucking gorgeous.

Scum: Lynx #381 was absolutely terrible. And as OS pointed out shes seemingly flailing despite having any pressure. Seems nervous.
HighShroomish

For me its a dillemma. GP is being annoying as fuck and harmful to town, unfortunately I think hes aligned with town. Is it better to get rid of an anti-town town player (who may be scum) or a IMO better chance at a scum player? I'm going with #2 but it is difficult.

This is pretty much his catchup post in his entirety after he doesn't provide shit for 10 days and doesn't attempt to provide shit for 10 days. It takes the two flavors of the day (gameplay and Lynx) and leaves himself avenues to vote either way that the tide turns: if he wants to vote gameplay, than gameplay is simply being too destructive to town in order to be left alive while Lynch is scum because a post was terrible and she's flailing without any pressure (vague reasonings, just sheeping OS).

I was caught up in those games and could easily catch up.

The first time you posted in this game when you were sick, it was page 6. The second time you posted, it was page 9. Neither of those seem a horribly large mountain of posting to catch up and there's no reason you couldn't have said that you were sick or at least made some small effort to catch up (I'm sure the catchup post you made recently took you what, 10 minutes at most?).

I mean you can believe I was sick and not wanting to catch up on a game or you can believe i'm lying across the entire site. I would persuade you by saying I love mafia far too much to ever do that.

I'm also pretty sure that people (d3x if no one else) have pointed out more things than just selective posting, and yet this is the only part of the case against you that you've cared to address.

(1) Ansuz knows that lurking/lack of effort aren't scumtells.

(2) Nacho didn't gauge much about how reactionary hiplop's posts were in its entirety. Instead, he plays it cool with "gee, this wagon is fucking gorgeous." The more he raved about it, the more fog goes into our minds. So, tldr I don't see how he got that read to put hiplop away with purpose.

???
now why did you hammer?

But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.

Why? You still think that he's scum.
You agree nothing that he's done looks mildly townish.
Are you just afraid to hammer? I can unvote if that's the case.

Now look at this flagrant appeasing on FULL display!

A: I can help you by unvoting.

B: Wait, why did you hammer? what kind of mangling is this

I doubt hiplop will flip anything but VT. Far too many scummy players on his wagon.

Lynx brought this up, so...PR's aren't invincible and can be wagoned easily. That is all. Really doubtful.

4) If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it? But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.

But you can continue to push this wagon; like I said:

if he pops up town, I'll know who to go after.

If he's scum, then kudos, town!

Vote: Osseus

hiplop's last words have been haunting me.

How does this compute? You weakly state being supportive of the hiplop wagon regardless of the flip, because D1 lynches are helpful either way. You say you know who to go after if hiplop flips town, and then you sheep hilpol's last post saying Osseus is scum.

Did you not have stronger scumreads to pursue?

It's one thing to be lynch-happy and hammer randomly, but this was anything but random how you let Ansuz "convince" you in several minutes/posts to hammer, and that hammering is OK, thereby ending the day just like that. His tactic of pushing you without actually demanding you to vote/hammer worked, and I'm trying to figure out why you were so easily swayed after expressing worry how you might be lynched tomorrow if you hammer and hiplop flips town.

It's like, feeling a burden of a big decision that might doom you, and then suddenly changing your tune to "OK, I'm good with this! Let's go with option B!"

tl;dr you really made yourself stand out yesterday

Though I'm seeing Ansuz pop up already, today. He's another player that raised eyebrows in day 1, especially near the end. Will have to read again!

Go, town!

i hope you dont keep cheering town on like this, it just sows seeds of distrust about you

I will not say that it's unlikely that Nacho and you are together, given how balls to the walls Nacho is as either alignment.

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I don't buy completely Konowa's "restriction"

I played with Konowa scum and this game is different w/ much less tentative stances, which makes me think town.

VOTE: Lynx

Mobile post messed up quotes

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We don't feel like we're playing at a level we can be satisfied with.

We will be digging in tomorrow.

I don't think Josh is scum from the game I modded. Total instinctual read. His posts here feel more fearless

/mobile

No alternatives though

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What does that have to do with me?

I have wayyyy more time this month than I did August/July, so I should be quite active this game day. I clearly underestimated Josh's scumgame and believed too much in my meta-read.

Also, quoting those last WIFOMic reads for reference, although I won't pontificate anything from it.

I'm sorry about this game. It was one more than I can handle. I've been on this binge to see if people are actually scum reading me for true reasons or if it's scum just scum reading what ever the fuck they want to. Since my neck is on the table, I'll give some final reads.

I was hoping that we would lynch Burning_Earth, but that isn't going to happen now. So.. here it goes.

Kthx is town.
D3x is town.
Osseus is town.
MantisDreamz is town.
Burning Earth is town.
Gameplay is town.

LYNCH EVERYONE else in this order...
Tunnelmates
Ansuz
Gerantim

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More dead people's reads.

not a great list.. but

town:
Konowa
Thor665 gameplay506
d3x
Burning_Earth
geraintm
Kthxbye

uncertain now, but still prob lean town
TunnelMates (notscience and bert)

scum in
Ansuz (Nacho and Desperado)
Josh_B HighShroomish
Osseus pseudotripodis (t-bone and Untrod Tripod)
LynxKuroneko

Pretty much agree with this list.
My opinions on Ansuz and ozzy are well known. Will post about josh shortly

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Strangely, B_E was the counterwagon...my last comment about night actions since commenting on that is really not helpful, is that scum not killing B_E (if B_E is town) is.... strange?

I find kthxbye to be pretty town, but honestly during the night I really doubted whether she/he was actually hider.

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Which means Bert is Town.

that's what I'm referring to.

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That's a screwy set of night action results.
I'm trying to decide of Ger decided to play "clever" or not.

Did you consciously decide not to reveal immediately whether you were "shot at" last night?

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that explanation is in shambles, such a swingy read

Bert doesn't like that.

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There was also the meta read Bert put out on Konowa D2 "definitive reads, etc" that Konowa thinks if Bert/notsci was scum, that notsci would have said something about Alice in Wonderland where Konowa was scum and pretty wishy-washy all game to try and use to discredit Konowa.

Bert would like Konowa to know that notscience hasn't paid attention to this game since Day 1.

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Furthermore, to add onto why I doubted both Geraint and Kthx's truthfulness...

I've never drawn Hider in past games, but I have many times used Hider or a 1-shot ability as a fakeclaim as town to disguise me being a Cop or full Jailkeeper or something powerful.

p-edit: Bert does not disagree with Konowa and still finds Konowa to be more town than he/she was in BipolarChemist's Mini game where Konowa seemed like timid scum without discussing things with a full head of steam.

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I'm sorry about this game. It was one more than I can handle. I've been on this binge to see if people are actually scum reading me for true reasons or if it's scum just scum reading what ever the fuck they want to. Since my neck is on the table, I'll give some final reads.

I was hoping that we would lynch Burning_Earth, but that isn't going to happen now.

So.. here it goes.

Kthx is town.
D3x is town.
Osseus is town.
MantisDreamz is town.

Burning Earth is town.

Gameplay is town.

LYNCH EVERYONE else in this order...
Tunnelmates
Ansuz
Gerantim

what the fuck

and he also gave no mention of Lynx and one other player since that's only 9 other people aside from himself.

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It was just a question, and I already got an answer indirectly via your response, so forget it. That stuff osseus was saying about geraint being an SK, etc., made me wonder.

What do you think of Josh naming B_E as town after saying he wanted B_E lynched?

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I have,antis as very very solid town.
Such that if they are scum then they are going to beat me this game

this also made me wonder.

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The fact that scum didn’t target BE last night to try and take out 2 town means BE is scum.

I see no way around this….at all.

they could have thought you were bluffing like I thought may have happened, or they could have feared a protective role interfering.

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Bone, every time you call Nacho a good bet for scum, I get feelings of Wicked where you cross-bussed as buddies.

Off-topic: Every time I see T-Bone, I get flashbacks of seeing Trace Adkins and Blake Shelton singing Hillbilly Bone buh-bone buh-bone...

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Also, when did I suddenly become the suspect?

*sad face*

Ah well. I can deal with pressuring B_E. Maybe he'll actually join the game now.

I was pretty AWOL the entirety of Day 2, but I noticed that you stood out and were getting plenty of attention...

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Nacho could use some truth serum, so could you. Then, if he claims scum, just use Thor's hammer and finish him.

HAHAHAHA

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Hmm.

I don't think I was wrong with geraintm, but we can open that discussion tomorrow when his vig somehow doesn't go through and he somehow doesn't have it anymore.

It might be better than voting a one-shot vig claim, which is almost comparable to voting a one-shot friendly neighbor claim.

You speak like a pirate, talk like a pirate and run like a pirate.

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I have zero idea how you can have me and mantis in different piles.
We have the exact same reads as each other. It is actually spooky.
I feel really good that your reads are so different to mine.

This post does not seem like someone who would shoot mantis.

I will then shoot ozzy overnight.

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Is BE lynched for being suspicious, or mostly for not dying last night?

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This day does NOT need to last more than 24 hours.

there is no confirmed scum though

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I didn't see that post until you quoted it



Just making sure because of wariness about lynching based on lack of kill

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VOTE: Burning Earth

Hiders can't be blocked right even if bastard?

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Lynch -1.

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Only reservation for checking the loved thing is the potential "over-the-top lolhammeroops" possibility. Otherwise, nothing really risky about it.

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Just, umm, Konowa make sure it's not just a Day 2 or Day 3 loved, or Odd-day loved. In an old game, I remember mistaking my "Day X" loved status as everyday status and got lol-lynched.

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Konowa has the conditional Loved/Hated status until LYLO

You're also Hated? I obviously haven't read carefully if you already mentioned that too.

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Because if Konowa slips three times, Konowa becomes Hated (Lynch -1) and loses Konowa's vote for the day. Konowa didn't want to try and prove the claim this way, but it might be easier. The Loved/Hated condition is removed in LYLO but the removal of the vote still occurs in LYLO if Konowa slips three times. Town doesn't likely need Konowa's vote for the Day, so whatever.

So anyways, Thor665 outside of this foolish attempt to say Konowa is scum for some outlandish outguess the mod Thor665 is in, why is Konowa scum?

Oh My God I Suck

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Don't know bout you guys, but two vigs? :/

What's wrong with that?

Odd can mean 'strange' or opposite of even. Something wrong with wanting to know which it was?

No comment. I still feel like you were being intentionally obtuse.

Glad you stopped being my guardian angel, though, Konowa. It was getting creepy; felt like you were buddying me hard. And I can at least say I've put in a lot more effort than Scorched_Earth.

On the contrary, this feels like you budddying Konowa. And in this post you seem really preoccupied with how you present yourself.

@Ansuz: why did you save your shot N1

So now that I have absorbed MantisDreamz's essence, what do I do with it?

she had a similar train of thought? what do you mean by this

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Lynx feels like scum. I'm not feeling great about the B_E lynch, but it's kind of like when someone is JKed in a Newbie, and no one dies, eventually you gotta lynch the JKed person or...

I read back the end of Day 2, halfway now.

town (S-> W): d3x (hider clear), kthxbye, Thor....gap...Konowa...gap...Osseus

i really have no idea, it's a coin flip: burning earth

i just dont trust them ever so it doesnt matter what my read is: ansuz

scum: lynx

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That doesn't look like a 'Night 3 Strong Willed' to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he lied about that.

Looks like a lie.

Also, guys B_E if scum can just come over the top and hammer Konowa while we test her/his loved/hated status so...not really supportive of that

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I had to look this up for myself since I have never seen this modifier before.

Strong-Willed

Strong-Willed is a role modifier; it usually means that the player's abilities cannot be redirected or Roleblocked. However, any result that may be attained can still be tampered with by roles that alter informational results, such as Framer. In short, it greatly increases the chance of the player's ability working like the player wants it to.

Some moderators will ambiguously use this to mean that the strong-willed player cannot be recruited (by Cult, Neighborizer, and so forth). If you are not sure, consult with the moderator.

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So you're questioning my comment about two vigs, but didn't bother to ask B_E why he voted Ansuz for claiming vig? Sure.

Yet you dodged the question. That raises red flags. Burning Earth appears to have thrown in the towel either as indifferent town or scum giving in, so I don't have anything to talk to him about since he has been asked countless questions this game day and has ignored them all.

Spoiler: towel waving posts of today

Ansuz claimed vig after geraintm's death?

VOTE: Ansuz

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots.

I was hid behind.

The hider is not dead.

I have the largest wagon? Seriously?

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots

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Now that I'm looking at the posts, this line sounds the most insincere of all.

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I think I shall confirm Lynx as town or scum tonight over anyone else. He needs to die with me (if he's town) or be confirmed scum before this goes anywhere near end game.

Is sacrificing yourself as a free NK really worth that?

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4) When I say absorbed Mantis's essence, I literally mean it.

* * * Literally * * *

The role/ability makes sense with it being runecast. In addition, I played an Ace Attorney game with Ffery once where I had this role where I could get a dead person's role and have it become mine.

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I have a lot more spare time than is healthy so I just finished going through Day 2, and I ended up really suspicious of Osseus and *wait for it* less suspicious of Burning_Earth. Konowa's exchange with Thor kinda bothered me, and the self-vote thing had similarities to the way Gameplay demonstrated himself. Does anyone want to ask me questions? I forced myself to ignore all the random inconsistent reads Josh_B was making in his posts.

Anyone here able to do VCA? Could use something else to work against scum.

Nacho it feels like you're ignoring Thor's vote on you, and sorta backing down when he engages you like something's holding you back. I don't like that at all. Plus, when the game pace was kinda fast with wagons and such on D2, you didnt lend yourself to your type of craziness like you did on Day 1.

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It is really convenient to say *now* after cop claims and the shabazz, but Lynx doesn't look half as bad as he/she is made out to be. somewhat panicky sounding, but not too tight, just doesn't seem to have things figure out but pushes people who are under the radar

also ossy it feels like your vote is sitting still and not really flexible

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Unfortunately Ger has a confirmable role, even if he's threatening to make a scumkill with it. If he kills us that's fine, it's on him. I could go back and forth on it, but the fact is we've played a pretty transparent town game, and the crutch of his reads are shit. Yes Ger, optimally you should have killed GP Night 1, OPTIMALLY is the key word. You didn't, and there's nothing I can do about it. Asking for an optimal kill doesn't make me scum, it makes you a bad Vig. But I digress if you're gonna kill me that's your problem, not mine.

Getting back to Ansuz for a moment, what gives me pause is the composition of his wagon (Ansuz (4): Mantisdreamz, geraintm, Burning_Earth, TunnelMates), which is composed of players I don't particularly trust. (IE Ger, BE, and TM, I think Lynx was here at one point too).

The more I think about it, the more I don't really like the consensus quicklynch today.

VOTE: Osseus

So, the components of the wagon affect your read on Ansuz when you have played with him in all of your games, such that you're still kinda not interested in pressuring them more with a vote. Your view on Ansuz should be pretty biased because of your expeirence. Like you said, you feel you have a good handle on his play. It's Day 3 now.

I had bad feelings because it just feels like you are calling him out for the sake of calling him out throughout this game, and then just disregard the wagon the whole time because "wagon components (all non-flipped players)."

Spoiler: prior experience

Nacho was scum in that game, gosh I should be an expert at reading em right now.

Bone, every time you call Nacho a good bet for scum, I get feelings of Wicked where you cross-bussed as buddies.

Off-topic: Every time I see T-Bone, I get flashbacks of seeing Trace Adkins and Blake Shelton singing Hillbilly Bone buh-bone buh-bone...

At this point every game I have ever played in featured Nacho.

Evidence: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=16571

But to be honest I am getting feelings of 'There is No Doctor'

(1) Ansuz knows that lurking/lack of effort aren't scumtells.

(2) Nacho didn't gauge much about how reactionary hiplop's posts were in its entirety. Instead, he plays it cool with "gee, this wagon is fucking gorgeous." The more he raved about it, the more fog goes into our minds. So, tldr I don't see how he got that read to put hiplop away with purpose.

???
now why did you hammer?

But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.

Why? You still think that he's scum.
You agree nothing that he's done looks mildly townish.
Are you just afraid to hammer? I can unvote if that's the case.

Now look at this flagrant appeasing on FULL display!

A: I can help you by unvoting.

B: Wait, why did you hammer? what kind of mangling is this

A+ posting would read again.

Even after commenting on this being A+ posting, making it seem like you agree, you proceed to vote someone else.

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tl;dr You back down from finding out more for yourself about the Ansuz read.

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So don't try to tell me "it's Day 3 lol OP isn't persuing Ansuz" when I have SORTED him ON Day 3.

Meh. Okay...

Ansuz's actions last day phase were consistent with a Vig claim. If not for that I would agree with you. Too many variables for scum to try and pull that off I think. Ger had to kill the wrong player (no way if Ger went through with his kill on me could Ansuz pass that off as the scum kill), and a third kill had to not surface.

Was Ansuz insistent that Ger was scum yesterday AFTER Ger claimed Vig?

I agree, BE should be the lynch today. I don't agree that we need to end this day right this minute, but consider this an intent to hammer.

So, he acted like someone who didn't believe BE and told d3x the same (plus the vig part) in their private QT. How does this debunk the theory below? I thought about this last night, and the more I think about it (putting aside the "mantis was copped" aside), Mantis was still a potential lynch candidate just like me. I looked and during D2 at some point a mantis wagon did sprout.

As for the variables you speak of, it's not hard to pull off when you were accusing Geraint of being an SK, and he could chalk up any extra kill or two (or lack thereof) to "unaccounted kills possible 3rd party"

I would like to propose one alternate theory. Ger's death means Ansuz is scum. He was threatening to shoot one of us, he was really affirmed that it would be my slot he would kill. I suspected (and purposely aggravated), that he was going on about killing us for some misdirection (which presuming he killed Mantiz, this is what he did). ScumAnsuz is afraid the misdirection is to kill him, they pull the trigger.

Now obviously he could make the same argument that we killed Ger for the same reasons, so that's up to you guys to decide.

I like the BE theory as well.

My feeling (instead of the far-fetched role where she can choose a role of someone else's and mirror it) is now that Lynx is a backup cop of some sort (not alignment indicative). Very Organic Chemistry like, or perhaps pick & ban, except the inventions part.

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VOTE: Ansuz

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Who's scum, Boner?

After last night I have the feeling that it's you and Nacho (together again). I hope I'm just on the edge and really wrong though.

Just... Uou so hedgy most of the time on the Ansuz read. your initial read was based some on meta that wasn't really clearly explained, and I'm not buying the way you sorta reversed your read because of the claim.

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Either way, Ansuz needs to be cleared up. You sorted him by way of his claim making sense in a vig mindset, when the claim is pretty neutral.

And no, I don't believe him.

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I think because of all the things that could happen during the night phase it would be incredibly difficult for scumAnsuz to anticipate how night 2 would go far enough in advance to begin to lay the groundwork for a Vig fake claim the day before.

Really? OK, well I don't see what enormous complications there are. Nacho knows how to control scum gambits and this kind isn't out of his comfort zone.

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I still think fully sorting Konowa should happen Today.

*grumbles* ok

*grumbles*

I do not, however, see Scum having a Beloved modifier.

What's the difference between 'Loved/Hated' and Beloved? Hated is where LYLO is expedited by one day phase if the hated player remains alive, and loved is just needing one extra vote than normal to be lynched. I don't recall Konowa ever mentioning being Beloved.

Beloved

This is all I could find about Beloved.

A Beloved Princess is a player who, upon death, causes the next Day phase to be skipped.

"Beloved" has also been seen as a role modifier that duplicates this effect.

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I've been Loved as Mafia before, so all the modifiers are fair game for either alignment.

Since you are all active, vote Konowa in next posts.

VOTE: Konowa

Stop working against the town wincon fools.

Here, have a patented Thorella face that Mollie used to post in our hydra.

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Please town confirm me! :3 It'll make what I have to say tomorrow matter!

Hide behind OP and I'll investigate Ansuz for Vig conf?

What changed during this progression?

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Hi.

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I see we're talkng about Vigs

What about them

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Has anyone proposed the idea of a mafia vig

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What TunnelMates? Seriously; what are you asking? >_<

Let me rephrase that.

You were eager to be "confirmed" by kthxbye 'such that you went "Please town confirm me!" earlier D3.

Now, you're recommending that kthxbye hide behind Osseus. What's up with that?

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Spoiler: stuff that I tried to take in last night but didn't get to

I am def shooting tonight. If the shot doesn't go through then it is for reasons other then me firing.

If ozzy does not die tonight, then he was either protected by some scum power rule interfering with my shot or he has some sort of invulnerability.
If he doesn't die, the rest of town need to realise this and the implications for it.

If it were 'strong' Day 3 only, it's really unlikely he would warn us about a potential invulnerability.

There are 8 hours to go but I go to sleep In a few so I will vote before I go to sleep.

I will then shoot ozzy overnight.

I promise you I am shooting ozzy.
I thought about secretly switching to Ansuz in case scum could protect ozzy, but I would rather everyone know that I am speaking 100% truth.
I thought about switching to Ansuz in case scum could protect ozzy, but I think they are much more likely to have a role blocking role such that it wouldn't matter who I targeted it would get stopped and if so, town should know they did that.

I also doubt Ger was screwing town over about his/her shot. I don't see why taking that risk of lying would be worth it.

This is bizarre. Yeah I'm repeating.

so

tl;dr i've been in hibernation and didnt know people's claims like Konowa's until today, just now starting to think things through

If he desires to confirm me instead; I'm all for it.

If he's taking my word on my claim, then we can work towards other solutions.

Unlike what others try to frame me on, that does sound bad on my part, but the above is my explanation. Take it as you will.

Well, gotta say this response is reasonably forthcoming, not too defensive. And somehow you've remained focused (in a scatterbrained way of thought) throughout all the detractors and setup spec.

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Oh one last thing came to mind before I headed out.

Commuter comes to mind as a scum role to evade a strong-willed vig shot

In addition, it could counter a potential hider "guilty." Yeah, not an expert about roles, but throwing that out there.

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kthxbye still being alives makes Konowa paranoid, but Konowa feels that thought processes/motivations have been similar to Konowa all game so likely Town, thus Burning_Earth is likely Town as well.
Leaves Osseus pseudotripodis or LynxKuroneko as final scum.

What do you think of Osseus and Lynx at this point in time?

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Moving along now.

What do you think of Osseus and Lynx at this point in time?

VOTE: Osseus pseudotripodis

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Josh's old stance on bussing:

Josh's Mafia QT (Micro 337)

Josh Post 6 Wrote

This sucks not having daychat. I didn't leave. I was at a Royal ranger training. The empty OMGUS vote is what made it bad. There at least could have had some comment to go with it. Plus I thought it was a legitimate FoS for that time of the game. I really wish you would have let tIP and Rach respond to that before you jumped in. Now, I feel like we are going to have to tunnel each other the whole rest of the game. Maybe it will work out for one of us to get to LYLO, but I don't think that both of us will survive. This weekend, Starting thursday, I'm going to be at drill. If the next day starts, don't mention it though. But you can complain that I'm not there, and that I'm V/LA all the time so you can't get a good read on the slot.

-Also when you bussed me like that, I screamed at the computer. A DP1 bus during RVS is never a good idea. unless it was for RVS, and it certainly wasn't an RVS vote. Let's think about who will call it. tIP might.

Josh Post 15 wrote

I want you to target someone that we definitely do not plan to night kill. Voting me was, and wasn't a good move. It gives me a lot of town cred when you flip scum but it makes me look highly suspicious until that happens.

I also want you to ignore one player. Don't respond to anything they say. and if they say something directly to you blow it off, say something in your own words that calls that player a bad player. I'm thinking that you should ignore Rach. I really want to make a game out of her being your partner.

Says a lot for itself.

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tl;dr a lot of that game was about careful misdirection/smokescreens -

Like intentionally leaving Lynx out of the reads list here, saying B_E is town but also scum in the same post.

The kill there was totally random in that game and just happened to hit a PR by accident.

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I agree. I don't think Lynx is scum anymore.

I don't trust my reads but they're the same as earlier except with Lynx switched out with Osseus for - <B_E, Ansuz> as somewhat scum and OP main scumread. Rest varying levels of town.

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I don't really have faith in this lynch, but... Oddly, I doubt I will feel compunction if I hammer.

Do we need to verify that Lynx is going to target Ansuz for sure?

Any last words?

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VOTE: Konowa

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VOTE: Burning Earth

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<d3x>

Mostly Town: <Lynx, kthxbye>
Maybe Town: <Thor, Konowa>

Scummy <Ansuz, OP>

Final.

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what if Lynx (assuming town) dies, though? Where does that leave us with Ansuz?

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I thought you were pretty town by the end of Day 3 and bodyguarded you Night 3 for your Ansuz result...

I made my last reads list putting You in the Town category, and OP in the scum category, because I thought those two were the obvious bodyguard targets to pick from.

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I caught up completely before N2 came and chose to bodyguard Kthxbye's hide claim (Burning_Earth) N2. N3, I had a stronger townread on Lynx and thought the ability cop would clear up the Ansuz situation, plus I felt Kthxbye might be bluffing again or not being truthful about the role...that and being convinced OP was scum.

The 1-shot invention was a 1-shot governor or 1-shot self-watcher. I had my message ready to send to give it to Thor N2 knowing that he was claiming that he wouldn't die immediately upon being shot, but decided ensuring the hider didn't die with his target was better. Plus, I didn't trust Thor completely.. Losing potential info from a hider (N2) or the ability cop (N3) wasn't worth the trade off of potentially giving the invention to someone who might die or may be scum (for LYLO usage).

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from a design standpoint though, hider should NEVER be redirectable. EVER.

yeah, I was really surprised to find out Kthxbye hid behind Thor and still died.

This was before knowing how the redirector in this game worked. I was in disbelief that it was Thor if the hide was true.. because I did not suspect him towards the end, and asked Ffery for scum spoilers so I could stop thinking about this game...