Once Upon A Winter Night - [Game Over]

[Tammy]

I might not be able to get to this game for a day or two.

[Tammy]

So I've only cursorily skimmed this game but I'll get to it tomorrow. Anyway I had a thought and fake god just confirmed that scum have to know our flavor name to kill us.

Which makes beast town maybe or scum possibly based on how he set it up and how much information he started off giving to scum.

Okay this isn't really helpful at all, but someone should see where I'm going with this. Meep.

[Tammy]

You can ask him yourself. For instance if they want to kill me, they can't submit a kill on Tammy, they have to submit a kill on xyz (whoever I am).

[Tammy]

I read in the setup where he said all actions must be taken on character names (yes, the info in public info), beast made post 39 which had me wondering if it applied to kills, and I pmd the mod if that was the case, and he said yes.

[Tammy]

So I've only cursorily skimmed this game but I'll get to it tomorrow. Anyway I had a thought and fake god just confirmed that scum have to know our flavor name to kill us.

Which makes beast town maybe or scum possibly based on how he set it up and how much information he started off giving to scum.

Okay this isn't really helpful at all, but someone should see where I'm going with this. Meep.

What information did I give them?

Not information you gave them, but how much information fake god did.

~~~

I have a reason to believe beast is town, but it's not something I want to go into.

But I do think his paranoia over marquis being scum because rolecop sounds real.

Hi Mara!

[Tammy]

Forget what I said, I'm trying not to spiral, but beast is not someone I want to lynch today.

[Tammy]

Are you talking to me?

[Tammy]

It's not setup spec though. It's do I believe Tammy, ABR, and kats are all Town who had this "original thought" in regards to "all actions must target the character name"? All three of them are smart players so it kind of throws me for a loop that the conversation even happened.

Tammy, did Waffles grow opposable thumbs?

I'm running out the door, but real quick.

No, and what you're seeing with me is trying to work out the setup/people with what information I have. I'm not sure what Kats thought he saw, so if he could explain that it would be awesome! I don't so much like ABR's reaction to my post though because all I did was confirm what was in public info and since he read the first post as he showed knowledge of the setup in his first post and mentioned the line of succession, I have to assume he did read it so his "explain how you came by this information" when I literally said fake god confirmed it included night kills feels off.

Basically, I was wondering if it included night kills and when beast assumed that it did in the post where he's concerned with marquis's alignment due to being a role cop in conjunction with things I was considering based on my own role, it was something I wanted to confirm before I started making erroneous assumptions about the game. I can't be any more clear than that at the moment, but it will make sense at some point, promise! Even if I come to a wrong conclusion, this will make sense.

I love games that have a heavy flavor component and tend to think about the setup much more than I do in regular games.

Also, in case I forget, FakeGod mentioned there being a servants neighborhood. I'm kinda surprised noone brought that up (that I saw); I normally want to know who is in neighborhoods, but considering it's night only there's nothing to learn from it yet and considering the recent final fantasy game where we obsessed about who was scum in the neighborhood (none!) and it ended up derailing the game, I don't want to know yet. But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.

Anyway, I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense, and I promise I will catch up with this game tonight.

[Tammy]

But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.

Why are you assuming that there is a need for name-claiming within the neighborhood?

I'm not?

I'm assuming that people will always do what they do in neighborhoods and that's claim their characters/roles or suggest it.

It should go without saying, but people shouldn't be claiming their characters in neighborhoods this game.

~~~

I'll read anti/ckd stuff later tonight when I actually catch up here. I'm still working out my thoughts on what I'm preoccupied with :/

[Tammy]

the beast wagon taking off w/ no resistance doesn't make me optimistic about it

Hi.

Anti you're being kinda weird.

[Tammy]

you did it in the douchiest way possible in order to push what you think is a juicy mislynch

so the biggest wagon is beast right now...any reasons you think he isnt a mislynch?

you said you dont like his wagon...sooo, well gee, now I am confused.

I thought he was referring to you pushing his wagon not beasts wagon but then

/looks back
/doesn't see an opinion on beast anywhere

yeah, you've got room to join the wagon. what are you "confused" about?

Makes it seem he was talking about the beady wagon.

You guys feel like scum theater, but that doesn't feel right either.

[Tammy]

bad
he's scum
he read the first post
he's also scum
kill him

Are you saying he's scum because he read the first post?

[Tammy]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO i see where byoure going with this... maybe

but it is something i at least forgot about, how inteeresting

Where did you think I was going?

[Tammy]

I would lynch beast for #58 alone.
Albert or kats is maybe Scum too.

I actually liked that post by beast.

[Tammy]

I'm sorry for being all over the place, my brain is beyond fried and I'm exhausted. I'm going to sleep.

[Tammy]

Oh I thought he was trolly in quickness as scum. That's my only experience with him I think.

[Tammy]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnngh

I need to think.

[Tammy]

There are three people here who I would deem a direct threat to me as scum: Marquis, notscience and Antihero. The one thing I would want is for them to town read me. Guess what isn't happening?

They are the biggest reasons I get anywhere in games as scum. I piggy back off of their town reads on me.

Marquis should know for a fact that since I don't give a shit what they think of me that I am town.

Do you guys typically town read him as scum?

[Tammy]

I see the logic but I don't think it is right.

Also, it is Marquis's house.

this is not a town!beast opening

this is a scum!beast who's made sure he knows everything possible about the setup so far

Why is knowing everything about the set up scum? I never read setups, but flavor heavy ones I do.

[Tammy]

The reasono there's a beast push is his meta is to have a stick up his butt as scum compared to as town he's way more trolly.

But you moved your vote to marquis.

[Tammy]

Can't trust anyone.

Traitors, the lot of you.

[Tammy]

Sorry that was unclear. Do you typically think he's town when he's scum?

[Tammy]

Sorry that was unclear. Do you typically think he's town when he's scum?

Marquis I also wanted you to answer if you typically town read beast when he's scum.

Anti - when you stop being mad at ckd, can you also answer this question? And tell me what you think of beast?

[Tammy]

But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.

Why are you assuming that there is a need for name-claiming within the neighborhood?

I'm not?

I'm assuming that people will always do what they do in neighborhoods and that's claim their characters/roles or suggest it.

It should go without saying, but people shouldn't be claiming their characters in neighborhoods this game.

What I meant was, why do you assume that the neighbors haven't already been told each other's role names?

I don't think fake god makes a game where people have to know character names instead of player names for any actions and then makes a neighborhood where he outs to the group who each persons character is. It pretty much defeats the purpose.

Also, when I was in a neighborhood in his Viscon mansion game, he just told us who we shared a neighborhood with but not who the flavor names were.

[Tammy]

abr if I give you ckd today will you give me charizard on a spit tmr?

You're voting beast?

[Tammy]

Read that question wrong. Never mind. Carry on, nothing to see here *whistling*

[Tammy]

Maybe, I'm more interested in figuring out the beast mess right now.

[Tammy]

Eh

[Tammy]

I just read my role pm a little closer. Jerks never appreciate talent and are probably traitorous killers!

But why kill the groundskeeper?

OH ACTUALLY.

"Don't you worry about me, Aria. It's my job to make sure the roads are safe for Master Lukewill's return.
Keep the dinner warm for me. I will be back soon."

- Last words of Matthew the Groundskeeper

You are

Matthew Chatowic

, the

Groundskeeper of the Norsweld Household

, and

Town

VT

.

Ability

You have no special abilities.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned players

alive

.

Sample Role Flip

FakeGod, who was

Matthew Chatowic

,

Groundskeeper of the Norsweld Household

, and

Town

VT

, has been

lynched

in

Day 0

.

[/quote]

I think curiouskarmadog is innocent. The groundskeeper was out there making sure the roads were safe for his return. Why would ckd kill HIM? What if it was someone who was trying to make sure the ckd didn't actually make it home safely?

[Tammy]

UGH I messed that up. But look at the groundkeeper's last words.

[Tammy]

Whoever is aria chatowic is probably innocent too.

[Tammy]

notscience - why did you move your vote to marquis after starting the game urging bert to vote beast?

[Tammy]

You don't wonder why Bert is sheeping you? He's second in line.

Marquis is probably town and will die tonight, if we lynch ckd because he's first in line, then Bert gets it.

That looks hella opportunistic to me.

[Tammy]

I swear to all the gods if someone doesn't take their vote off of him and this lynch goes through before the beast stuff gets sorted out, I will virtually pummel all of you.

There are people who have not posted enough today that I want to hear more from, regardless of ckd's alignment.

[Tammy]

Calling it now: ckd + Antihero scum teammates.

just for that future record.

is antihero scum because of my interaction with him

or is he scum on some other actions you deem scummy?

if I flip town

, is antihero still scum or back to "?"

That being said, when I was falling asleep last night I remembered this post and it bugs me. Why "if" and not "when"?

Regardless, I still really want people to address the beast thing. Pretty please?

[Tammy]

A game of this type, with the info/role I have, no.

I don't get your point though. If you can't see the obvious from the way I'm approaching this, then I probably can't help you.

[Tammy]

bert, i dunno about followin you down the ABR rabbit hole.
if you request it, i shall consider using my vote for the cause.

Please don't. I really want people to answer my questions about beast.

[Tammy]

k. i understand.
that excitement wont come until near deadline, cos not feeling it. i may not be confident about the wagon myself since im not all into the game, but i believe it's town driven at its core, and that is why i believe in it.

im just confused by ppl saying X may be town due to flavor, or trying to find out alignments due to heavy flavor.
like, what me being second in line has to do with alignment.
this feels like a trap

But that is, at its core, ABR's push on ckd.

I think that ABR is probably town, but that is the only town read I have on the wagon right now. And I think that ABR is pushing ckd primarily for two reasons, he thinks his flavor reasoning is correct, and maybe it is, and ckd hasn't been exactly nice to ABR by calling him a bad player.

I just really want more info before going into night and I want marquis to talk about beast.

Also - Do not hammer. If you even think Marquis is town, do not hammer before he's verified he's used his role. So, someone unvote please and thank you.

[Tammy]

A game of this type, with the info/role I have, no.

I don't get your point though. If you can't see the obvious from the way I'm approaching this, then I probably can't help you.

Letting mod flavor, not flavor mechanics, indicate alignment just doesn't seem something I would expect from you? Maybe I'm misremembering what I think of your play from the brief encounters we have played together.

As for beast, I mentioned #58 because from my perspective all he has done is cry foul that Marquis isn't Townreading him thus Marquis must be Scum. His line of thought is forced. It appears as if he is more concerned with getting Marquis to Townread him rather than actually trying to determine whether Marquis is Scum or not, if that makes any sense.

Outside of that, I'm pretty lost.

That feels like a back handed insult

I'll admit I could be overthinking it and if you think that I think he's at IC status because of me looking at the mod flavor and taking it into account and not noticing that I've also been looking at ckd's play, then I don't know what to tell you there. (What I mean by if you can't see the obvious is that if you can't see that I've been using every piece of information available to try to sort this out, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm looking at mod flavor, but I'm also looking at how it intertwines with the players.)

As far as the beast/marquis thing goes, I've seen enough of those interactions between different players that it's par for the course sometimes. Beast made a claim though about not science, marquis and antihero. I want to see them address that claim.

pedit: marquis is a name cop. It's in the OP. Also why are they talking about hammering then. I suppose I shouldn't post before I'm fully awake.

[Tammy]

There are three people here who I would deem a direct threat to me as scum: Marquis, notscience and Antihero. The one thing I would want is for them to town read me. Guess what isn't happening?

They are the biggest reasons I get anywhere in games as scum. I piggy back off of their town reads on me.

Marquis should know for a fact that since I don't give a shit what they think of me that I am town.

It's here. He claims here that Marquis, not science and Antihero are why he wins scum games because they town read him.

Notscience has said that he's averagish at reading him.

Marquis and Antihero haven't addressed this at all.

[Tammy]

As for beast, I mentioned #58 because from my perspective all he has done is cry foul that Marquis isn't Townreading him thus Marquis must be Scum. His line of thought is forced. It appears as if he is more concerned with getting Marquis to Townread him rather than actually trying to determine whether Marquis is Scum or not, if that makes any sense.

Outside of that, I'm pretty lost.

Bingo on the desperation on wanting to be townread. I'm pretty lost too, but partly because I skipped some stuff and am going to get into this game more as time goes on. I also like the stuff you brought up about mod flavor in this post, so the post as a whole is spot on IMO.

Post Edit: Missed the claim about notscience, marquis, and antihero. Will look for that.

Actually the mod flavor part is crap. The mod literally said that flavor will be heavier than usual in this game and I'm being criticized for looking at the flavor, and it's spot on.

Whatever.

[Tammy]

I just don't see anything Town from CKD, Tammy. So it just looks like you're using the mod flavor as a crutch to call CKD Town. What about CKD's play makes you think he is Town?

Read everything I've said please. Yesterday I said I thought ckd and antihero looked like scum theater, and today I pointed out something specific I didn't like about ckd's play. Last night I started reading through ckd's most recent game; he took a long hiatus, but I was too tired to finish it.

I think that anyone even with minimal experience of me knows that just because I point out one thing that leads me to believe they're one alignment or the other doesn't mean that stops there. There's no crutch for me calling someone town; I could certainly come up with something better if I thought I needed to.

But I don't appreciate being underhandedly insulted for looking at mod flavor when the mod specifically said the flavor would be more important this game. I could completely be wrong in my interpretation of that. Maybe ckd killed Matthew on the way in as misdirection so people would think others were suspicious. Who knows.

What I do know, right this minute, is I prefer having them talk about this beast thing right now.

[Tammy]

My interpretation of flavor being heavier than usual was flavor mechanics and not actually storytelling flavor, as I would think they would different? Probably why I'm cringing a little reading your posts.

Just stop talking to me.

[Tammy]

And there are six votes on him by the way, Katsuki voted him after the last vote count. So noone else should vote him so that he's not at l-1 and there are no derphammers before marquis confirms he's used his role.

[Tammy]

That's fine. I'm not always right. I am potentially wrong. But what you basically said is that you think of me as a better player than to look at mod flavor and you're cringing over it when the mod said flavor would be important. I could be wrong on what aspects of the flavor is important, but I really don't think it's horrible of me to be looking at everything and taking everything into account.

[Tammy]

I wasn't fond of how the curiouskarmadog wagon was progressing before, but right now I'm not very fond of some of curiouskarmadog's behavior, either. Decisions, decisions. What's bothering me are the number of people just sheeping Albert B. Rampage. I can sort of see how that can be happening, but it still feels sketchy just reading the posts jumping on. On the other hand, curiouskarmadog on this page has been demanding some weird explanations of people. Vague feelings yay. I promised that I'd read back and I should do that.

Tammy, forgive me if you talked about this already and just point out where you did, but how did curiouskarmadog feel to you in the game that you read?

I'm with Tammy that discussing beastcharizard is becoming increasingly urgent, especially because there seems to be a very apparent lack of interest in that department from the people who should be talking about it.

So, yes, none of you chuckleheads should be lynching before

both

beastcharizard and Marquis come to this thread.

I didn't read the whole game as I started reading it after I thought he could be innocent due to the mod flavor thing and I fell asleep. He was a replacement in that game, so I didn't get to see what his entrance was like to compare.

He didn't feel as theatrical, not sure if that's the right word but it was the thought I had just before drifting off. But again, I only got just past his replacement posts before I fell asleep.

[Tammy]

Mmkay Bert let's look at this. You said that ckd's wagon felt town driven.

This is his wagon:

curiouskarmadog [5] - Albert B. Rampage, Nobody Special, Antihero, Bert, katsuki

I can understand a town read on ABR; he's probably town - though his conviction on reasoning is easy to fake. I'm going with town for now.

Why are you town reading Nobody Special?

Why are you town reading Antihero? Considering the fact that you literally just forced yourself to iso the antihero/ckd showdown and claimed that it was part of what made you apathetic, how were you reading him as town before that?

Also, were you reading the game prior to getting apathetic because ckd and antihero had an argument? You read the op because your second post in the game was you acknowledging that you're second in line to inheritance. How did you not know that Marquis was the head of the household and therefore a name cop.

He also says he's a name cop, why were you saying he was softing? You also know that you're second in line for inheritance, were you not informed what that meant? Otherwise you claiming to think marquis was just softing a name cop looks really disingenuous.

Also, we've been over it in the game before you got apathetic because of the ckd/antihero showdown that scum cannot kill people by their player names but by their character names, why are you sounding like it's something you've not known?

[Tammy]

Marquis - Please answer my question. Do you typically town read beast when he's scum?

~~~

Maybe ckd is scum, and beast is scum with him and is pushing marquis as scum to get the name cop role to ckd. IDK.

I need to stop overthinking it. I'll try to finish reading that ckd game today.

[Tammy]

Okay then beast, you said when you're scum that you piggyback off of marquis town reads he gives you.

Please tell me what games marquis has town read you in when you are scum.

Thank you.

[Tammy]

Marquis - Please answer my question. Do you typically town read beast when he's scum?

i can't answer this question

Actually why won't you answer this question?

You're calling beast scum. He's claiming that you town read him when he's scum and he uses that to win his scum games. Why won't you answer that question?

[Tammy]

There are known watchers in the game. Every servant is a watcher.

[Tammy]

okay.

nope there's not a neighborhood claim. I don't really want one today because they wouldn't have been able to talk so it wouldn't be useful and I'm kinda burned from final fantasy's distraction on find the scum neighbor when there wasn't one.

I guess if it's to name cop that might be more useful though.

[Tammy]

Wait:

Inheritance follows modified agnatic seniority. (eldest to youngest son, then eldest to youngest daughter, then eldest to youngest grandson, etc)

Does this mean it goes eldest son then youngest son, then eldest daughter then youngest daughter, then eldest grandson then youngest grandson?

[Tammy]

Okay, interesting.

Bert - are you the youngest son?

[Tammy]

I'm not convinced that flavor interpretation is correct.

[Tammy]

*twitch twitch twitch*

Also the information is in the opening post.

[Tammy]

And where is Matthew?

How did you know about Matthew and that he wasn't here if you hadn't read the opening posts?

[Tammy]

With the exception of name cop ability, all actions must have character name as their target.

Hey tammy

What do you think of Mara's post with the above being noted?

Thinking about it.

I'm not sure scum mara does that. I don't think it's a good idea though, but I was interested if anyone else reacted to it.

[Tammy]

Oh I interpreted it as they town read you when you were scum and you were able to fool them.

[Tammy]

Mara is Kovara, sorry.

pedit:

I'm not sure Kovara as scum proposes that everyone name claim like that. I don't like the suggestion, but I'm not sure she does it. It's something I've been rolling around.

[Tammy]

Okay here's my main problem with ckd is his lack of scum hunting. In the game I started reading, which I still didn't get very far into and probably won't until later, he was scum hunting. Here, there's been the push on antihero for lurking. (Speaking of Anti - where are you?) And then the blow up with him and then nothing really until voting Bert for feeling lost a few pages into the game.

I'm still feeling a bit squicky about that interaction.

I probably won't be able to post very much before Sunday. My family is coming in soon and I have a funeral to go to tomorrow. I'm not sure how long my family will be staying tomorrow after the funeral, but I won't be able to post much until they leave. Since the days are short and the deadline is close, I'll make this game my priority for when I do have a moment here or there, but don't expect me around much.

pedit: no there's no proof they're not. I just asked fake god if they wanted to kill me would they have to target xyz and he said yes.

[Tammy]

Um, I kinda want to be a jerk and tell you to read my iso.

I told Anti he felt weird, and your interaction felt wrong to me.

This is ABR, playing like the last two times I saw him as town, meta'd him once before, he seems town.

I didn't read your last game. I said very clearly, more than once, even in the post you quoted, that I didn't get very far into the iso and that it wasn't exactly comparable because you were a replacement in that game.

I've also talked about the votes on you and questioned them and looked the flavor to determine if you might be innocent by flavor and why am I repeating my iso which if you had been reading the game would be very clear where i stand and what I've been doing and what I've been questioning. I even have gotten flack for looking at mod flavor to try to determine your alignment.

Why aren't you reading?

[Tammy]

With the exception of name cop ability, all actions must have character name as their target.

Hey tammy

What do you think of Mara's post with the above being noted?

Thinking about it.

I'm not sure scum mara does that. I don't think it's a good idea though, but I was interested if anyone else reacted to it.

why not?

Because it's a plan that helps scum narrow down who to kill and I'm not sure you as scum suggest it when it's going to get you too much negative attention.

[Tammy]

I'm not strangely giving anyone else a pass for not scum hunting. You're a main priority for me because there's a wagon on you I don't quite understand. I don't care if it makes you angry that I noted you're not exactly scum hunting this game. I also noted that you feel a bit more theatrical this game than the last and already said it can't quite match up because you were a replacement.

I don't need to meta him. We've played together recently.

And this should be clear I'm not exactly happy with him either:

the beast wagon taking off w/ no resistance doesn't make me optimistic about it

Hi.

Anti you're being kinda weird.

you did it in the douchiest way possible in order to push what you think is a juicy mislynch

so the biggest wagon is beast right now...any reasons you think he isnt a mislynch?

you said you dont like his wagon...sooo, well gee, now I am confused.

I thought he was referring to you pushing his wagon not beasts wagon but then

/looks back
/doesn't see an opinion on beast anywhere

yeah, you've got room to join the wagon. what are you "confused" about?

Makes it seem he was talking about the beady wagon.

You guys feel like scum theater, but that doesn't feel right either.

Dammit read my posts.

[Tammy]

Look involved. You don't look involved. You're not the only one that doesn't look involved. You seem on the sidelines.

I also don't like feeling ignored, and you're poking at me about things I think are very clear if you read my posts.

If I'm focusing on you right now it's because you look to be the lynch today and I'm trying to figure out if you should be.

I've looked at stuff about beast, and looked at his other entrances and concluded that the accusation that he only trolls at the beginning of a game as town is null. I also have a reason I'm not interested in Beast lynch that I'll fight for to stop.

[Tammy]

And I am sorry if you're town and you're doing all you can. I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying there's a lack of scum hunting. I'm just trying to figure things out.

I understand being disengaged for other things. And I kind of like my flavor reason for you being town even if people think I'm crazy for it. I probably am crazy for it and it's probably irrelevant, but.

pedit: to ckd

[Tammy]

I also have a reason I'm not interested in Beast lynch that I'll fight for to stop.

Do you mean

"I will fight against a beast lynch because

reasons

"

or do you mean

"I'm not interested ENOUGH in a beast lynch for

reasons

"

....or something else?

(Sorry for not understanding.)

kinda both. he seems kinda town to me and I'm not interested in his lynch today.

[Tammy]

VOTE: antihero

you have given me a sad

[Tammy]

I have tossed around the idea of me name claiming because there's a possibility scum already know who I am and it wouldn't hurt, but on the chance that they don't know and I'm paranoid I probably won't.

I just wanted to put that out there in case anything does happen to me.

[Tammy]

But that option makes sense game wise because look at the way that Bert is jumping on the sheep ABR train, and having a god gut town read on ABR due to Anatole reading ABR, when Anatole has not been on this site for very long and Bert is normally a really paranoid player.

Getting rid of CKD and then nightkilling Marquis tonight puts the name cop right in his hands.

[Tammy]

Bert when you come back can you explain the Anatole school of reading ABR please and thank you.

I only see them together in a few games, and I'm not seeing you present in them, so I'd like that explained.

[Tammy]

I have another funeral to attend today, I'm not sure how much energy I'll have for mafia when I get back. I might just move my vote as necessary. I know deadline is tomorrow, so I'll keep an eye on that.

Bert - your earlier posts about you abr read definitely didn't indicate in the baby stage.

[Tammy]

Well that explains the abr town read from Bert.

VOTE: antihero

Marquis - what happened to your beast read?

Merry Christmas /happy holidays everyone!

[Tammy]

Are you sure you aren't a servant? Because you're serving up a ton of salt

Are you implying the servants are all scum?

No he's making a joke.

Notscience - I want your thought process behind poisoning marquis over say anyone else in the game.

If we have a cop this game, please investigate Guinevere.

[Tammy]

Are you sure you aren't a servant? Because you're serving up a ton of salt

Are you implying the servants are all scum?

No he's making a joke.

Notscience - I want your thought process behind poisoning marquis over say anyone else in the game.

If we have a cop this game, please investigate Guinevere.

Good to know, thanks

Spoiler: Cheeky response

Well I'm scum and I didn't want to be namecopped so people couldn't use actions on me and that delayed it for 2 nights, as marquis said. I'm also really scared of someone who I can easily pass off his suspicions as overzealous paranoia after PvZ and firefighter instead of someone who has shown decent reliability in reading me such as you or bert!

Spoiler: actual response

I felt his early reachout felt like buddying to me and I got TvS vibes between him and beast and I liked beast's reachout more than Marquis's

I don't know what good to know refers to.

I don't get the purpose of the cheeky response, unless you're just continuing your ffx persona, and if you're town no thanks.

I wanted to know why him over anyone else? I thought marquis looked really town yesterday, so I'm at a later loss. Add in me thinking scum would want to get the name cop out of towns hands and it still looks suspicious.

So why him over antihero who did nothing yesterday and had a wagon on him with the lynch wagon being on town? Why not gaiden for that crap hammer?

[Tammy]

id like to make a contract

What does this mean?

[Tammy]

Marquis is freaking scum! I dare anyone to say otherwise and to give a reason. I wish I could share my thoughts with you all. I came into today knowing scum Marquis would flip on me and notscience. I mean they are freaking scum!

We need to lynch Marquis today. I don't care if they are or are not poisoned. We don't know if the day cop even works the way Marquis says it does and since Marquis is scum he can tell his partners the name of whomever he name copped tonight before he dies anyway.

We need to lynch the guaranteed scum lynch.

I am not shutting up about Marquis until one of us is dead. Marquis is the obvious one to die btw.

We're not lynching someone that is dying today.

[Tammy]

I can't read anti unless he posts so no thoughts there. I also don't pay much attention to people outside of games so I can't comment on him posting much other place.

If he were to actually post I might be able to give an opinion but since he isn't posting I am going to abstain from an opinion at this time.

TLDR: Have no read so put him at Null. I can't read people if they don't post.

fell behind on this game, i'm doing my catchup and getting back in this game this morning

Anti

[Tammy]

I wonder if this is just beast/marquis distancing.

Also, tammy is scum

Spoiler: inb4

She's going to omgus me

I feel like you're omgusing me.

I also feel like you're not reading my posts to say that.

Feel free to lynch me though! I have no desire to play with you if this is how you're going to be. That's not friendly trolling that's you being rude to either hurt my feelings or piss me off at best.

[Tammy]

meh

VOTE: anti

I believe notty I guess I'm probably just taking it way too personally that he did that to me :/

I think one of him or beast is scum though

also Tammy isn't obvtowning and really doesn't seem happy/comfortable here

{beast/notscience}/tammy/anti? setup so far suggests 3 but if 4 maybe kovara? gaiden just seems more silly than scum

Guh?

Are you reading my posts?

People who haven't played more than say one game with me probably shouldn't try to read me on tone. This does weird me out a bit though. Why would you think me not seeming happy is not town me?

Why did you choose notscience to name cop yesterday?

Why does gaiden just seem silly but not suspicious?

Also, yesterday abr suggested name copping me and you said no because you didn't want to name cop a universal town read. If I wasn't obvtowning or seeming happy/comfortable why did you refuse his suggestion?

[Tammy]

ummmmm... no
bert said that i was scum before the day ended.
truth be told, i thought he was scum by the end of the day for whatever reason, so yeah.....

I read like half his iso and he called you town

shoudl have probably read the bottom half

Where did he call him town?

[Tammy]

I think that was a joke.

I'm town, but yes I want you investigated. That I remember I've never see. A town poisoner and I can see him giving the scum team an extra kill.


Are you literally actually calling me scum because I'm trying to get a read on you and want you investigated? Did I read that wrong?

[Tammy]

Also sorry,I wasn't trying to be rude or piss you off I was feeling sarcastic because I've been sick.

Sorry I took it wrong.

[Tammy]

+what do you think of my honey bee vote

I'm not sure why you voted, but I want to see her interaction with Mara. I also want to look back at mafia on air, I caught her day one there.

I won't be able to do that until later though as I'm in a salon with my mom right now.

[Tammy]

I'm spending the rest of today with family but I'm flying home tomorrow so I'll be back then

[Tammy]

Yes I am because I don't understand why you don't trust your read on me

It's only 1 shot poison btw.

That is such an utter stupid conclusion I don't even have a response.

I mislynched you in LyLo recently, and you're actuslly calling me scum for wanting a poisoner you, when I never have seen a town poisoner in the first place, investigated instead of just trusting my read on you because wtff?

You haven't dobe anything to seem town.
I've never seen a town poisoner.
I've said more than once in recent games I don't trust my ability to read you anymore.
You're move.

[Tammy]

Are you sure you aren't a servant? Because you're serving up a ton of salt

Are you implying the servants are all scum?

No he's making a joke.

Notscience - I want your thought process behind poisoning marquis over say anyone else in the game.

If we have a cop this game, please investigate Guinevere.

Hi.

you actually think marquis got a result on being poisoned? that seems pretty weird don't you think? I also think Guinevere is the least of our problems

I don't really think my plan is necessary anymore, but I do want names of NS and Gaiden.

I feel pretty confident in you/Equi and I think us three should keep our names hidden no matter what

There was nothing about whether or not I thought he got a result implied in that post so I'd love hearing where you got that.

BUT considering marquis said at the start of day we wouldn't be getting a rc report today, it was safe to say anyway. Also, with the exception of Viscon, people who are poisoned hear of it in my experience.

(I'm now remembering that there was a town poisoner at my home site, it was a Disney upick.)

Still think it's possible scum know my name but *shrug*

[Tammy]

I actually like the plan even -more- now.

I want antihero lynched but I think ns *might* be town. I thougt the way he was asking me about neighborhood knowledge felt town. Like he was wondering if someone in his neighborhood was scum and had potentially revealed some information to me.

This completely falls apart if he's not in a neighborhood though.

~~~

I would like to point out that antihero claimed he would catch up in this game two days ago and has done jack shit. I would also like to point out how he did jack shit yesterday too except for get all up in arms because ckd pointed out how he was posting everywhere but here.

I want yu to notice that and I want you to vote antihero.

If you've entered some sort of paralysis, give me your address and I'll fly/drive/ski/teleport to your house and type the name in myself.

If you aren't suffering paralysis, give me a good reason you can't seem to vote obvious scum or give me a good case on someone else.

[Tammy]

I'm not in a hood, Tammy.

And yes you Ml'd me in lylo after I spent most of a game dicking around so that it was actually hard to read me.

First time for everything.

I meant nobody special when I referred to NS; I think Konowa was too.

[Tammy]

Are you sure you aren't a servant? Because you're serving up a ton of salt

Are you implying the servants are all scum?

No he's making a joke.

Notscience - I want your thought process behind poisoning marquis over say anyone else in the game.

If we have a cop this game, please investigate Guinevere.

Hi.

you actually think marquis got a result on being poisoned? that seems pretty weird don't you think? I also think Guinevere is the least of our problems

I don't really think my plan is necessary anymore, but I do want names of NS and Gaiden.

I feel pretty confident in you/Equi and I think us three should keep our names hidden no matter what

There was nothing about whether or not I thought he got a result implied in that post so I'd love hearing where you got that.

BUT considering marquis said at the start of day we wouldn't be getting a rc report today, it was safe to say anyway. Also, with the exception of Viscon, people who are poisoned hear of it in my experience.

(I'm now remembering that there was a town poisoner at my home site, it was a Disney upick.)

Still think it's possible scum know my name but *shrug*

I didn't actually see him confirm that he poisoned anyone, so for you to believe that it's actually true you would need to believe ns poisoned him, and to ask him why he did so I would think you'd have to believe that he got the actual result?

I don't want to end the day until we get the names from NS and Gaiden because I think they are scum, and I want cop to choose between the two of them, but for that to happen the names are needed

They had a whole conversation about it.

(Sorry I didn't cut down the quotes but I'm on my phone)

[Tammy]

Yes, I am prince of the pridelands, and as future king I order you to give me your character name. If it wasn't obvious, I'm town-cop (though, because I'm so young and inexperienced, I spend all of N1 learning how my role worked, and thus couldn't take an action) and I copped Geneviere/notsci who is now confirmed town poisoner.

I thought something along those lines. I love it when I've picked up a pr tell and then they push me to explain my town read. Though yours was really obvious. I did think your proposal was unlikely to come from you as scum, but the or tell you dropped was one of the main reasons (the other one I'm keeping in a locket).

please don't be pulling first level here

It's nice to no notscience is town though, saves me from questioning his ckd over antihero vote.

I'm kinda partial to nobody special being town though. I liked the way he was questioning me day one about neighborhood protocol. It felt like he's in one and was trying to figure out if someone had leaked me info. Also, his kind of caution about antihero maybe doing something townish made me think antihero had been townish in a neighborhood and he was giving him a chance. Both of these fall apart if he is not a servant or in a neighborhood though.

Also, his day one concerns that ckd/antihero were a team matched mine. (I've been fooled on this tell recently, but still.)

[Tammy]

It's awesome that we got scum antihero, but it's also not helpful because who would go against that lynch? I rarely do this, but yesterday I was looking over the day one vote counts as that could be helpful. I'm not at my computer right now and it's a bitch to do on my phone, but in a bit ill pull up what was most concerning, but I need to reaccount for notscience being town.

Also, I'm tring to think of something. We didn't have a death last night so either someone healed the right person, jailed/roleblocked properly, or the killers didn't kill because holiday :p. Do we have enough to want to out that?

I suck at balance but in a 15 player game where we evidently have a cop and one-shot vig, wouldn't there be more than 3? Maybe a traitor?

[Tammy]

ALSO, katsuki I have a super awesome questionnaire designed to figure ut your alignment. Please check yes or no (pleas pretend there are boxes, I'm on m phone and have had wine I'm not about to try to do boxes)

Are you town?
Are you a town lurker?
Is waffles the cutest cat on the planet?
Do you like alcohol?
Are you going to come to Chicago sometime to hang out with us?

There's only one right answer, do me proud!

[Tammy]

Yes, protecting, sorry my homesite uses different terminology and I slip sometimes.

A healer there is a doctor here.

[Tammy]

Equi

Also, I might make the post I said I was going to make tomorrow.

[Tammy]

see see equi please don't leave!

(also I'll make a real post tomorrow, I got a bit too buzzed tonight :/)

[Tammy]

You're free to post something relevant in the meantime. >_>

I had a crappy day at work and don't want to mafia, but I'll at least post the stuff I wanted to yesterday and didn't get around to doing.

[Tammy]

Okay here are some things I was thinking about. I rarely ever look at vote counts, so I don't claim to be an expert here. But with the way this game has been going, rather inactive and Antihero not doing anything at all, it's kinda hard to pick up who would be working with him.

I looked back at the early day one vote counts though:

VoteCount 1.3

curiouskarmadog [2] - Albert B. Rampage, Nobody Special
beastcharizard [5] - Marquis, notscience, Equinox, katsuki, Konowa
Marquis [1] - beastcharizard
Nobody Special [1] - Kovara
Kovara [1] - Bert
Antihero [1] - curiouskarmadog

Not Voting [4]

- Antihero, SXTLHGaiden, Honey Bee, Tammy

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

This is how the wagons looked early in the day. The beast wagon seems to have mainly come from the marquis/notscience push and choo choo, I guess. Something about a stick up the butt tell. Konowa originally just seems to be wagoning but later didn't like beast's 58

Notscience soon after gets off of beast and moves onto Marquis. (Unless we think that kovara/notscience are playing next level scum, this is something I'm not going to question as it's a town move, so *shrug*).

Notscience moving off makes the differential in the two wagons 4 for beast, 2 for ckd.

In the midst of this Equinox also moves off of beast and on to antihero. This makes the wagons 3 for beast, 2 for ckd.

Enter Antihero who came in and did literally nothing else but yell at ckd for voting him. He joins the antihero wagon, which makes the count look:

VoteCount 1.4

curiouskarmadog [3] - Albert B. Rampage, Nobody Special, Antihero
beastcharizard [3] - Marquis, katsuki, Konowa
Marquis [2] - beastcharizard, notscience
Nobody Special [1] - Kovara
Kovara [1] - Bert
Antihero [2] - curiouskarmadog, Equinox

Not Voting [3]

- SXTLHGaiden, Honey Bee, Tammy

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

Here, they're now even. So, do I want to believe that Antihero came in, and ignored equinox, and voted the ckd wagon just because he was trying to look like an angry townie, or did he vote ckd, and have that angry townie reason, to help with the wagon that was more likely to go through and throw some weight on to ckd's wagon to help deflect from beast's wagon?

What's problematic for me is a couple things. Beast's move onto ckd here:

Is the case on Anti just that he isn't posting here?

VOTE: CKD

I would prefer this to an Anti lynch.

Marquis is still the way to go.

I don't think it's all that dangerous, as I think Antihero and ckd are a team.

Don't you also think Marquis is scum? You think scum have 2 in a row in the line of inheritance?

Beast actively put down the antihero lynch, said he didn't understand it. My main problem with this is that he said in 58 that he would need antihero to town read him in order to win as scum. That would imply some level of experience with antihero. Anyone with some level of experience with antihero should have had a problem with antihero's play. Even when antihero is being a lazy fuck, his game play is levels above what it was here where he only stepped in to pitch a fit at ckd.

Now Beast will want to characterize this lynch as a policy lynch, which is wasn't not in the least. It reminds me of the time in Chef Mafia when I lead a lynch agains The Slimer and his partner tried to characterize it as a lurker lynch, when I actually had a meta tell on him. And to dismiss it as a policy lynch is silly regardless. When someone ignores a game, which is near deadline, while posting all over the site and not even bothering to check in or do anything, chances are really good that they're scum.

Here is the look of the day's wagon just before it started to shift:

VoteCount 1.10

curiouskarmadog [5] - Albert B. Rampage, Nobody Special, Antihero, Bert, katsuki
beastcharizard [3] - Marquis, Konowa, Kovara
Marquis [1] - beastcharizard
Kovara [2] - Honey Bee, notscience
Antihero [2] - curiouskarmadog, Tammy

Not Voting [2]

- SXTLHGaiden, Equinox

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

Bert moved to vote ckd because in ABR he trusts, but he was a mason so that's whatever. Katsuki moved to ckd because he tried to negotiate a deal with ABR for ckd day one, beast day two. (I don't think he push beast day two. I wish I could feel better about katsuki town right now though :/)

kovara added to the beast wagon, and we have two on antihero.k,,,,,jm98 (Waffles helped there awe)

The next vote count shows a jump in the antihero wagon and the next couple show one more vote each:

VoteCount 1.13

curiouskarmadog [5] - Albert B. Rampage, Antihero, katsuki, beastcharizard, Nobody Special
beastcharizard [2] - Marquis, Kovara
Kovara [1] - notscience
Antihero [6] - curiouskarmadog, Tammy, Honey Bee, Equinox, Bert, Konowa

Not Voting [1]

- SXTLHGaiden

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

So, at this point we have an antihero wagon that is greater than the ckd wagon.

But then for some reason, the wagon started falling apart. Equinox jumped off because she didn't like the speed of the wagon and then Bert jumped off and back to ckd. I can presume that Bert came back to the ckd wagon because ABR? Doesn't matter his reason though.

VoteCount 1.14

curiouskarmadog [5] - Antihero, katsuki, beastcharizard, Nobody Special, Bert
beastcharizard [2] - Marquis, Kovara
Kovara [1] - notscience
Antihero [4] - curiouskarmadog, Tammy, Honey Bee, Konowa
SXTLHGaiden [1] - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting [2]

- SXTLHGaiden, Equinox

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

I have a reason to think equinox might be town, but additionally, Equinox is a crafty player and one who is totally not opposed to bussing, even in a white flag game, so I'm just not sure she jumps off the antihero wagon she would have presumably got on for distancing purposes and not go all the way if she decided to bus at that point. I mean it's not impossible, but it's one of the weaker moves to do as scum whereas it's more likely town, especially experienced, would maybe jump off because they were concerned they were on a mislynch wagon.

And here was the lynch:

VoteCount 1.15

curiouskarmadog [8] - Antihero, katsuki, beastcharizard, Nobody Special, Bert, notscience, Equinox, SXTLHGaiden [LYNCH]

beastcharizard [1] - Kovara
Antihero [5] - curiouskarmadog, Tammy, Honey Bee, Konowa, Marquis
SXTLHGaiden [1] - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting [0]

-

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

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Deadline is December 22, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-12-22 13:00:00)

I hate not science's jump on the ckd wagon. Granted it was the largest wagon, but still. But he's apparently innocent so it's moot.

I'll work on not letting godfather paranoia to go somewhere right now

Equinox went back to Antihero, Equinox went back because largest wagon, I guess?

But here we get:

Just landed. And in my experience with Antiscum the activity comments are legit. Equinox back on there please, it's better than ckd.

VOTE: anti

HAMMAH
VOTE: CKD

Literally just as Marquis asked equinox to get back on antihero, gaiden who didn't join the wagon earlier when bert asked him to decided to hammer. This is atrocious.

~~~

From day one play - it looks like

godfather

notscience, beastcharizard, gaiden tried to save antihero.

Of the people who voted him and stayed on him and stayed on him day two that were likely to bus would be konowa or honeybee

On day two both konowa and honeybee voted antihero as well. Konowa pointed out equinox's jump back and forth but I don't remember him pointing out garden's terrible hammer, so could be exploiting a weakness? Though I kinda think that he wouldn't have insulted me for looking at the flavor day one if he were scum. I kinda think if anyone was bussing it was honeybee.

Neither Gaiden or beast voted antihero yesterday and we all know that beast kept trying to shift us to marquis even though he was marked for death. I really don't know what to make of that, but Gaiden's not doing anything in this game at all.

Anyway,

I have Kovara, begrudgingly not science and probably equinox as town. Konowa is probably town too. Oh I also liked my day one nobody special thing, but I wouldn't be the game on it. Would like to feel better about katsuki. Would lynch from Gaiden, Beast, honeybee right this minute though.

If anyone else is better at vca than I am, I'd love to hear interpretations from day one though.

Also, who is Sophia Norweld? There is noone by that name on the guest list, so I'm guessing she's a servant who has a name change? The butler being mafia has kinda thrown me off though. I would have thought it would be family members with maybe a servant as a traitor, but anti was a member of the mafia, so if there's a servant who has a servant name but is Sophia Norweld then it could be a servant or mostly servant thing? Or a mix of family and servant? IDK.

[Tammy]

Character Names

Adam Everley - Relation of ABR
Adrianna Copperfish - Related to antihero - the scum butler

Arcady Norweld

-

Marquis

Aria Chatowic - Wife? of Matthew the groundskeeper who died night 0. I thought she was innocent, now not so sure.
Edicard Brennan - Relation of Stannia (beast)
Father Gregory - ???
Geneviere Norweld - Notscience
Jalen Norweld - katsuki - current hoh

Kevin Norweld

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Bert

Prie Everley

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ABR

Lukewill Norweld

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CKD

Lydia Norweld - ???

Neville Copperfish

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Antihero

Stannia Brennan - beastcharizard
Tirius Norweld - konowa
William Brennan - Relation of Stannia (beast)

[Tammy]

Aria and Adrianna should be the last two in the servant's neighborhood.

[Tammy]

Would anyone be against a mass claim? I think I can narrow down who most of the remaining people are pretty closely anyway and I'm sure I'm not the only one who can do that if they really wanted to.

Now that the servants have had two nights to talk and decide watch targets, that could be interesting information to know.

[Tammy]

I am!

[Tammy]

Though no offense to ooba, I'd prefer Equi I in part signed up for the game to play because it had a strong flavor component and in part because she was playing.

[Tammy]

I would prefer ooba to equinox because ooba can't explain what equinox did or said. I was just about to grill Equinox too.

Have I ever told you I always think your avatar is of Entei?

I don't know what entei is. I did just look it up and it's a pokemon character? But the one I looked at looks like a beast with blades along the back?

[Tammy]

There's one thing I'm holding onto about Equi. I'll explain it later though.

About the jumping off of the antihero wagon though. The thing is that it kind of goes to mindset. Let's say I'm scum Equinox partnered with Antihero, and I jump on the antihero wagon as it's rising. If I jump off and the other wagon goes through and it flips town like I know it will, I know that people are going to shine a light on the way I jumped off of the antihero wagon and then onto the ckd wagon. I also know that if antihero gets lynched (and with the way he was playing it was an inevitability) that my jumping off his wagon (because it moved to fast) and then getting on the counter wagon is going to come under scrutiny. Now, I play scum more on the seat of my pants with no plans ever than probably most other players but I still take into account how my actions are going to look concerning wagons and I think that Equinox is a much much better scum player than I am. Equinox is not averse to bussing at all, and I think if she were going to bus day one/or distance, she wouldn't have done it in such a way that would actually make her look awful. Therefore, it more looks like a play where town jumps off a wagon because they get cold feet rather than scum doing a little distancing and then jumping off because they don't want their partner lynched and decides to help dismantle it.

It does bother me, but what bothers me more is the initial vote on the wagon and then jump off after he didn't mention her vote on his wagon. I would have thought his not mentioning her vote on his wagon as being more suspicious.

This isn't 100%, but I'm of the mind that Equinox would go the distance.

[Tammy]

My avatar is a fairy blowing stars in a winter sky? with dragons at her feet.

Two of my favorite things are fairies and dragons.

We'll see what ooba has to say when he gets here.

[Tammy]

Funny, if anything, this is one of the only games where I don't have an actual townread on you, Tammy.

Maybe drinks will solve that

brb drowningsorrows

*shrug*

If you can't town read me here, you will never know how to read me.

You're free to vote and lynch me though, I was literally just telling syryana like a half an hour ago that I wanted to be mislynched.

[Tammy]

I thought something along those lines. I love it when I've picked up a pr tell and then they push me to explain my town read. Though yours was really obvious. I did think your proposal was unlikely to come from you as scum, but the or tell you dropped was one of the main reasons (the other one I'm keeping in a locket). please don't be pulling first level here

yeah, I made it obnoxiously obvious because I kinda sorta could, and I doubted scum actually knew the non-revealed names and I think they just got lucky with hitting masons who just so happened to be related to ABR. Also, if scum did know names, then the kill would have been pretty weird, as ABR is non-threatening compared to others in this game. I'm honestly more scared of notsci and Tammy more than I will ever be of ABR so...

also

VOTE: Nobody special

I think this dude is scum, and he is refusing to give me his name. At least, I think he is.

I was wondering if scum did have some type of name cop, maybe a full on role cop? Because yeah that kill was weird and oddly lucky.

Nobody Special did just agree to a mass claim.

[Tammy]

There is possibly scum in inheritance. There's not scum in spouses; I don't think...or at least Norweld spouses. But there could be others.

But the mass claim I want is in names and roles. I'm not joking when I say I could narrow down most of the people left here, and I really don't think other town would have a hard time at it either, and I wouldn't be surprised if scum could get it more narrowed down than I can.

[Tammy]

See, I knew he was either Aria or Adrianna and I was betting on Aria.

[Tammy]

Though my paranoia is that Aria is really Sophia Norweld :/

Though that could also be Adrianna :/

[Tammy]

I'm floating around a mass claim idea, what do you think?

[Tammy]

I'm floating around a mass claim idea, what do you think?

I was reading along during D1. Weren't you the one who theorised scum could kill based on role names and not player names? Is that no longer true?

I didn't theorize, that's a fact, which fakegod confirmed.

OR me.

Though I don't know why you're asking me this. Read my posts today and tell me if you do or do not think a mass claim is worth it.

Do you think you couldn't figure out who most everyone is?

[Tammy]

And if you were reading along day one you wouldn't be characterizing that as "theorizing", I explicitly stated:

I read in the setup where he said all actions must be taken on character names (yes, the info in public info), beast made post 39 which had me wondering if it applied to kills, and I pmd the mod if that was the case, and he said yes.

[Tammy]

Funny, if anything, this is one of the only games where I don't have an actual townread on you, Tammy.

Maybe drinks will solve that

brb drowningsorrows

Katsuki, I've thought about it, and of all the people gunning for leading my first mislynch, I'd be okay if it's you that has bragging rights, so feel free and go for it.

(This is a serious offer btw.)

[Tammy]

Funny, if anything, this is one of the only games where I don't have an actual townread on you, Tammy.

Maybe drinks will solve that

brb drowningsorrows

Katsuki, I've thought about it, and of all the people gunning for leading my first mislynch, I'd be okay if it's you that has bragging rights, so feel free and go for it.

(This is a serious offer btw.)

Under normal circumstances, I totally would for the fun factor, but I wouldn't have it in me no matter how fun I think it would be. ALSO STOP TUGGING ON MY HEARTSTRINGS

It was fun giving you that scum role in that marathon game though except Nacho completely called out why you had to be scum LOL (granted he scumread you first THEN threw in that bit of lolreasoning)

I was very very very drunk that night and just remember being caught as scum before even posting and then posting and everyone going yep, she's scum and I felt very shameful :/

[Tammy]

Okay well that's going too slow.

I'm Edicard Brennan and Stannia (Beast) is my wife. Ooba is William Brennan and I have no idea how he is related to me. I thought at first William was my son, not really sure why I thought that, but when I realized it didn't say that I asked FakeGod how William is related to me and he wouldn't tell me. From the quote in my role pm, I got the feeling that my wife doesn't like me that much, or at least think of me or my family very highly. That was a perfect piano piece dear Stannia, giving me a full compliment wouldn't kill you!

Anyway, we share a neighborhood but we weren't informed who was who and we didn't name claim in the neighborhood, so I didn't know who was who until beast went into the line of succession. This is why I wasn't interested in a beast lynch on day one. I thought if either of them was scum then it would be Stannia due to being in the line of succession, but didn't know which one was which at that time and wanted some time to talk to them in the neighborhood. But that was at the time when I thought that William was my son. I figured that my wife and son wouldn't collude to kill and get the inheritance. But then I realized that I don't know who William actually is and so yeah my flavor reasons are moot now.

Anyway, in the neighborhood on night one Equinox thought that we had a watch and wanted to discuss the target and wondered if we each had a separate watch. I thought that sounded townish because she really had no idea how the setup worked. But I was thinking about it today and it is kinda weird that she assumed we had a watch as the rules show that it's the servants quarters that have a watch. But what if she talked to antihero and he talked about his watch in the neighborhood and she assumed we had one? IDK how I feel about ooba's entrance.

There was a post she made that was kind of odd as she said that she knew something noone else knew and that was that people without Norweld last names could be in the line of inheritance. She said she was sharing that information with us and trusted neither of us would kill her. Both beast and I already knew that, so meh idk what to think about that.

Oh but depending on her thinking we had a watch due to antihero talking about it would mean that antihero had to have been on line to talk about it right after night started because she was posting in the neighborhood pretty soon after night started. She wanted to watch Bert.

She really hated Gaiden's hammer though.

She questioned Beast about some of his thoughts and reads on day one.

I mentioned a couple things about my character but she didn't want us to discuss our flavor because she liked our neighborhood and didn't want any of us to die. She thought scum might have an eavesdropper I think.

Unfortunately night two was over new years eve and new years so we didn't talk all that much. We did discuss some basics about reads and I tried to do some vca but I posted all wrong vote counts. She thought maybe one of us might be scum because the neighborhood was quiet. I thought it was kind of weird to mention because it was new years eve and new years day.

She thought it was odd that they killed Prie Everly. And talked about some of her remaining suspects. She was basically looking at honeybee, gaiden and katsuki but didn't think the team fit very good with antihero.

She didn't mention nobody special again but day one she was concerned about him because she thought he town read her too quickly.

Anyway part of the reason I wanted the massclaim was because I wanted to try to sort some of this out. And I mainly just went over what equinox said in the neighborhood in detail because she's not here anymore and she went into more detail in the thread, so maybe this can be of some help to reading that slot.

I don't know if either of them have any role in addition to being neighbors, but that's all I have.

[Tammy]

Does the power of your voice have anything to say about the game?

[Tammy]

NO! I'm impatient.

I am going to bed, but was wondering if you had any thoughts, and kinda just making sure you're still around.

[Tammy]

Right - read the game.

I think HoneyBee and Gaiden are scum.
- Gaiden's hammer was atrocious and gives me the same vibes as SpyreX's hammer in UPick GoT
- HoneyBee is who I have as bussing on Anti's wagon

Vote: Gaiden

---

That said, I have a few problems with my reads when compared to flavour:
- That would mean none of the first 6 in inheritance order are scum and I'm not sure I can believe that

So let's revisit my reads:
- Tammy's obviously town in this game. She mentions the word 'traitor' that sort of increased my early paranoia but I don't think FG is going to do Loves+Traitors. And play\speculation has hit the same notes I had. [Sophia being Adrianna and so on]
- NS play\posting was town and I'd say the claim\role reinforces that

- I thought notscience's marquis interaction D2 and scum call out with "lets see how wrong I am" this game was town. Plus we have a cop result now. (Sure godmother-posioner possible - but I already have a town vibe and result just reinforced that)
- Kovara seemed townish for the speculation. Role I can see going either way - but I'd say the way the slots playing is town.

- beast is an enigma. But at the end of the day - I think as scum, he wouldn't have stuck to the marquis track all-day long and certainly wouldn't have advocated lynching the poisoned marquis. I didn't like the phrasing of this "I only called out Equinox because Tammy is and always will be confirmed town in my eyes because of the claim." since it goes out of the way to explain the thought process. But I'm still say town. And he's family.

I've got mild town tells from Katsuki and Konowa - can't really pin it down to anything.

So given that - I'd say I'm wrong about one of {Katsuki, Konowa} and I'd say it's Kats. But Gaiden should be the first to go.

I agree with most of this.

(Thank you for noticing I am obviously town here! I think this is the most obviously town, objectively, I've been in months.)

[Tammy]

Regarding the mass claim - I think it's obvious who most people are. [I don't think our family should have claimed btw]

Honey Bee\SXTLHGaiden are in {Adrianna Copperfish, Father Gregory, Lydia Norweld (M)}

I asked you what you thought about the mass claim but you didn't say no

~~~

Gaiden being Adam Everly is a bit of a surprise. Gaiden, did you share a neighborhood with ABR?

[Tammy]

I was in the middle of isoing honey bee last night when I went to bed. I'll try to finish that up tonight and look back over a couple other things, but I don't see any reason not to lynch Gaiden.

[Tammy]

---

I asked you what you thought about the mass claim but you didn't say no

I hadn't even started my read at that time. Wish I had done this a bit earlier.

Oh, I'd thought you'd have checked the neighborhood and had some idea from there.

~~~

Beast - you were convinced marquis was scum and he wasn't. Can you explain why you think ooba is scum?

~~~

Gaiden - you're obviously keeping up in some manner. Who is scum?

[Tammy]

Honeybee - what are your thoughts on the game. Who are you biggest town and scum reads?

[Tammy]

I got drunk and forgot to ISO honeybee last night OR I got drunk and forgot what I read in her ISO. Either way her post okay leaves me feeling meh and I'm fine lynching her.

~~~

Servants - what were your neighborhood discussions like? What are your reads from them?

[Tammy]

* her post today

[Tammy]

Adam Everley- Gaiden
Adrianna Copperfish
Aria Chatowic- Nobody special
Edicard Brennan- Tammy
Father Gregory
Geneviere Norweld- norscience
Jalen Norweld-Katsuki
Lydia Norweld
Stannia Brennan-beast charizard
Tirius Norweld-Konowa
William Brennan- Ooba

:/

Honeybee is Adrianna/Gregory since we're the only ones left, I am kinda upset this went through without the unanimous decision, but w/e. I just hope there is a doctor. Gaiden not having a neighborhood with ABR isn't surprising. ckd was my husband, but we have zero means of communication this game outside the game thread

Nobody is posting. Waiting for everyone to respond would have met with nothing.

[Tammy]

Hello, and yes I am adrianna, cook and servant watcher. I'll post some thoughts in a bit after I've read.

How long will this bit be? And you've obviously read if you've made this post.

[Tammy]

Beast - you were convinced marquis was scum and he wasn't. Can you explain why you think ooba is scum?

1. Marquis dropped actual scum tells or at least what I thought were scum tells so totally justified in me thinking they were scum.

2. Equinox didn't see you as obvious town which you were so it makes me suspicious. I probably have no credibility though.

2. I don't know how to respond to that. Or even what to think about it. I'm just kinda confused.

[Tammy]

Gaiden -what was yur relationship to prie and was she mentioned in your role pm?

[Tammy]

Konowa - is that list in order? (The scum part, don't care about town part)

[Tammy]

Assuming the servants are cleared is really dangerous.

Also, a watch on notscience is useless, there's no way in hell scum will waste a shot there even if he has a clear.

[Tammy]

Assuming the servants are cleared is really dangerous.

sure, I guess but how likely do you think is a two-scum, one town neighborhood in a 3p or 4p team? two scum watchers seems excessive, IMO

About as likely as I considered 3 scum in a 4 person neighborhood in viscon.

Maybe in a normal game two scum watchers in one neighborhood would seem weird, but in this game? I wouldn't put it past him. I also wouldn't put it past him especially considering that antihero was the butler, related to someone else in the game, and he didn't flip traitor. I would think if it was a family job and a servant helped out that would be the case.

I'm looking at play, and while I do have a reason to town read nobody special, I don't for honeybee.

[Tammy]

I have a meeting in the morning, so I'm going to bed.

[Tammy]

but you <3 me.

I wasn't comparing it to viscon, just bringing it up as a foundation for things i wouldn't put past fake god.

Gaiden was related to ABR in some way.

I'm really crashing now.

[Tammy]

Konowa - is that list in order? (The scum part, don't care about town part)

It was just a list of people I'd be willing to lynch, but giving it more than five seconds of thought it's probably the order from which I want to lynch Today with the gap between ooba and Gaiden larger than Gaiden and {NS/Honey}.

Oh okay. I thought it was in order and this is the second time you put the ooba/equinox slot in that last position, which made me think you thought he was scummiest, but hadn't voted for him.

[Tammy]

hey ooba, can you explain why my hammer was scummy?

can you please answer the question asked multiple times on what your reads are?

[Tammy]

I'm feeling better about honeybee after that post.

I'm not sure what to think about Gaiden. Last night I looked back at the PYP game that I replaced into just as Nacho was bussing Gaiden and he tried to do some at least superficially town looking thing. He fake hammered to look town, gave reads list, and from what I remember of Quickness he tried to do some superficial town looking stuff too. However, that was a hydra with Bert, so I really don't know how to differentiate that. And from what I remember in Mafia on Air, beast rarely posted in a town hydra with Ika.

I'm really not sure what this means, but the thing that bothers me most about that hammer was that it came at just the time when marquis was trying to get the wagon back on antihero, so objectively it could have been him saving antihero. IDK but something doesn't feel quite right here.

It would be nice if some of the people would actually start posting though because it's difficult to figure this out when there's so much absence.

I'm not completely opposed to the Gaiden lynch because well because, but.

I will not be around at deadline, I don't think, so wherever I put my vote tonight before I go to bed is where it's most likely to stay unless I can check in on my phone in the morning.

[Tammy]

Nope it was not gaiden who hydrad with ika in mafia on air, it was beast. I've never seen gaiden town.

[Tammy]

Gods this game is frustrating. It's hard to figure out the game when half of you guys haven't really put anything into the thread at all. I don't mind low activity, and in some games quite appreciate low activity, but when you're low activity and you're not putting much into the thread when you do show up it's really frustrating.

I'd really really appreciate it if the town in this game could act like it.

And notscience who is supposedly our confirmed town here hasn't even bothered to show up for almost 6 days. Come on people.

[Tammy]

give us somethign gaiden. you're very likely getting lynched tonight.

I mean I played lurker mafia, in which we literally barely played and couldn't post except for once every two days and we were still able to get better reads and feel the game out than here, but at least there when people showed up they actually DID SOMETHING.

[Tammy]

ooba - you say that people should be paranoid of their neighbors, but then part of the reason you say you don't want to lynch beast is because he's family. Also, you didn't apparently read the neighborhood once you came into the game and pointed to something I had said in thread about theorizing about the way that scum needed flavor names. Why didn't you read our neighborhood upon replacing in? It's only two pages long.

[Tammy]

I was hoping that a mass claim would help us figure stuff out/I wanted to talk about my neighborhood and get some feedback but it went plbhfkgjkdjglkdahgkldafh;ghdfkhg and noone's doing ANYTHING.

[Tammy]

but we basically already have.

I just really wanted to talk about my neighborhood and get feedback and stuff and it fizzled.

Town's gonna lose.

[Tammy]

Oh well you probably didn't need to full claim.

I just really wanted to talk about my neighborhood/family and get some feedback...which didn't really happen.

[Tammy]

I like that I got a hood I just wish I could feel better about my family!

WAIT - Ooba, did you say you're my son?

[Tammy]

I wonder why FakeGod wouldn't tell me you're my son.

[Tammy]

Oh, huh.

crap. i had a thought and realized it was dumb. I just don't know now. Town please start acting like it!

[Tammy]

VOTE: gaiden

I'm going to bed. I'll try to check in between classes tomorrow, but I can't promise anything.)

[Tammy]

School started today; don't expect much from me for the next couple days.

[Tammy]

Gods this game is frustrating. It's hard to figure out the game when half of you guys haven't really put anything into the thread at all. I don't mind low activity, and in some games quite appreciate low activity, but when you're low activity and you're not putting much into the thread when you do show up it's really frustrating.

I'd really really appreciate it if the town in this game could act like it.

And notscience who is supposedly our confirmed town here hasn't even bothered to show up for almost 6 days. Come on people.

I have no reads on you guys at all. I'm really struggling here.

I don't believe you have no reads. It kinda feels like you're trying to emulate your town lurker profile.

[Tammy]

Don't everyone pile on.

I want nobody special to give his results from last night and I want to make sure he knows he's watching kovara tonight.

[Tammy]

Oh hey it's my scum day!

[Tammy]

I thought she was meaning she got a result on honeybee.

[Tammy]

I'm of the mind that ooba not assuming that the vote represented a guilty result is more likely town. He also seems to be continuing his predecessors practice of missing stuff.

It bothers me that now when it seems we have our second scum on the line, beast is ignoring it/pushing for an alternative.

Is nobody special ever going to show up?

[Tammy]

I'm of the mind that ooba not assuming that the vote represented a guilty result is more likely town. He also seems to be continuing his predecessors practice of missing stuff.

It bothers me that now when it seems we have our second scum on the line, beast is ignoring it/pushing for an alternative.

Is nobody special ever going to show up?

Well in beast's defense, kovara's post wasn't exactly clear.

Even with 4 scum, Kovara has no reason to lie since it isn't LyLo with those numbers yet.
- That makes Konowa town for his HB pressure yesterday
- I still think we're looking at two more scum apart from HB. beast+Kats
- Although my reads don't support it (NS), an all scum-servant setup would be really clever modding

That's a good point.

I guess it seemed clear to me because I was the one who had the conversation with her about the neighbors being confirmed, so when she said she was wrong and voted HoneyBee, I figured she was referring to the conversation we had and took that to mean she investigated her.

And, I agree that she has no reason to lie because this isn't mylo but I've been town reading Kovara anyway. I also think that honeybee's post sounded like she as acknowledging the guilty.

[Tammy]

It bothers me that now when it seems we have our second scum on the line, beast is ignoring it/pushing for an alternative.

The guy just said someone was scum and you don't like it because I have voted yet?

Also, there is no reason not to pursue other ventures at this time either. We have a scum lynch great, we don't have to lynch them right this second, the game can still be played and people will still react to things.

@ooba:

Why are you defending me if you think I am scum? That makes no sense what so ever.

I didn't say anything about voting. In fact, if you read I didn't want a bunch of people to vote because I want to hear from Nobody Special before the day ends and I want to make sure he knows that he's watching Kovara.

It didn't have anything to do with voting, and I'm not saying anything about not pursuing other ventures, but if you can't see how it would look suspicious to me then I don't know what to tell you. But you did day one go against the antihero lynch, and then day two try to get us to lynch marquis - even though he had been poisoned and slated to die - while we were lynching antihero. And then when Kovara votes honeybee you ignore that to go after katsuki.

I don't care if you go after katsuki and push him, what I do care about is that you've been actively avoiding scum lynches/pushes (or at least known ones.)

[Tammy]

Is nobody special ever going to show up?

Nope. At least having NS in games always makes me look better by not being as useless of a lurker in comparison. = =b

But I mean seriously. He's on site. I've seen him posting on site and he just signed up for a game. Couldn't he at least check in to the game this game day so he could give us info on his role?

This is like mega lurker mafia.

[Tammy]

No, I have but this is getting ridiculous even for him.

[Tammy]

Well he told me once he lurks as town and plays as scum, but I've seen him lurk as scum and play as town so IDK.

[Tammy]

I also think that honeybee's post sounded like she as acknowledging the guilty.

Well no counter vote usually is a scum-tell than a town one.

Yeah, that's what I meant by that. It's been a really long week.

[Tammy]

Nobody Special. I don't really care if you say you haven't submitted any night actions. Just recognize right now that you are to watch Kovara tonight.

[Tammy]

I'd feel better if nobody special said he forgot to submit actions both nights than his schedule prevented him from it when I've seen him on site.

I don't really have much more to say about the day and considering this is mega lurk had game, I doubt anyone else does either, but I kind of want to wait and have nobody special confirm that he has placed a watch target on kovara before we lynch honey so he doesn't oops it.

[Tammy]

I mean I wouldn't put it past fake god to make a public all scum neighborhood with all three watchers but I don't feel great about it.

Also, I think that Nobody Special would have been having to fake that paranoia I knew something because of knowing the neighborhood. I could be reading too much into that though.

I'm not really sure and don't think it's worth going down the rabbit hole right now. As long as Kovara is watched and can get another result or two then we should be able to win. *hopefully*

[Tammy]

It made me feel better about her than I had before. Mostly it comes from it being different than Mafia on Air where I caught her pretty early in that it commented on more of the game than she had before. It made me think she was thinking about the game.

Why didn't you call it out for scumposting if you thought it was?

[Tammy]

that could potentially explain the no kill last night, but what about the previous nights?

As much as I love no kills occassionally, I hate when they happen too many nights in a row. Makes me feel all squicky.

Katsuki - You said you didn't have a town read on me, so why did you take my word for a post seeming better than the other over your own thoughts about the post?

I thought we had all basically mass claimed, but if anyone hasn't, I'm fine with it if we do.

[Tammy]

Hmmm...wait what night exactly did you doc kovara? Do you mean night 3 or night 2?

[Tammy]

Oh okay, so it's possible they tried to kill the unknown person night 2?

So, notscience poisons marquis n1, n2 nothing, n3 doc kovara, n4 rb konowa.

Yeah, I guess a massclaim is in good order right now as anyone who took an action n2 could tell us something.

What we have Kovara - cop, innocents on notscience and beast.

I am concerned about nobody special right now. I was expecting honey bee to flip sophia. nobody special's dad is our first scum lynch; how much do we believe she wasn't involved either. I do hate nobody special's claim that he was too busy to submit night actions. Regardless, him even forgetting is not townish because we were scum partners once and he forgot his role and he forgot an earlier result he had.

IDK

ooba mentioned that there's something that would make this not as easy as it seems and I can see that.

so yeah IDK

[Tammy]

Oh huh, okay. That's kinda interesting. But you're also the only claimed pr besides Kovara, so I'm going to dispell any godmother paranoia because I actually don't think it makes a whole lot of sense.

Right now, that's how I feel.

[Tammy]

Yeah, honeybee *said* she watched marquis night one and saw you visit marquis.

[Tammy]

Yeah, I don't think you were lying about poisoning marquis, but honeybee flipped scum so she could very easily have said she watched marquis knowing that you visited him instead of her real watch target if it was different.

(Scum sometimes watch their partners so there are no surprises, so there really is no way to know whether or not she really watched marquis.)

[Tammy]

There is no way Fakegod had a three scum neighborhood, check postgame of GIF's game.

There is no way I'm going to outguess the mod here after Final Fantasy.

[Tammy]

Yeah, would like to hear that and Konowa's reaction.

[Tammy]

Check Dead PT of Gif's game with duo scum neighbors

Fakegod constantly fought him on it

So unless you think he would turn around and make the same mistake

pedit-

touhou is mine, hers is borkgame

Fakegod made a four-person neighborhood in Viscon Wingate and put three scum in there.

I don't put anything against Fakegod when it comes to matching his flavor.

[Tammy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Read this and tell me if you still think all scum hood

Probably won't be able to read it for awhile, but regardless I'm not going to use outside the game mod-stuff as evidence the mod won't use something here. I've seen that come back to bite the game too many times.

[Tammy]

All three watchers scum + Konowa?

Do you think Tammy could be scum?

Guh?

I thought you had me as "confirmed town".

Regardless though, I'm fine being lynched if it helps make sense of the gamestate.

[Tammy]

I'm not scum!

Also, I thought that the last part of ooba's post was a sig and almost skipped it, then thought it was a sig which was oddly appropriate for this game, then realized it was just part of his post.

I probably need sleep :p

[Tammy]

Have I ever told you how cute my cat is? Do you think my cat is really Sophia and we're in for a windfall?

[Tammy]

I don't really get the scum read on ooba.

I'm not sure why kovara ignored notty' roleblock.

If there's not a doctor, then that's a real thing that needs to be addressed, and I'm having a hard time thinking there's a hidden doctor.

We had nobody special watching kovara, so I would have at least expected an off kill, probably on notty. If anybody else has any reasoning for a missing nightkill, then I'm all ears. If konowa is innocent, and there are no other reasons for a missing nightkill, then someone forgot to send in a kill.

[Tammy]

If konowa comes back town then either scum no killed on purpose (but what would be the point) or forgot (at which point I would not consider nobody special confirmed town no matter what fake god said in a game.

[Tammy]

Yeah, I can't see me backing an ooba lynch.

I don't get beast's comment to konowa. There's a rb on a night when there was no kill and no other foreseeable reason for that no kill, and the rb was made by someone cleared by the cop. Sure, we can posit a recruited traitor or a no kill, but those are things we can't know.

If konowa comes back scum, then notty is probably town who role blocked scum and the cop clear is natural. If konowa comes back town then we need to reassess our understanding of the setup, roles and clears because something off is definitely in play then...or someone forgot.

One thing that bothers me is that notty claimed to role block konowa, but didn't vote him or do anything else really.

We have 8 people right now and chances are we have at maximum two left, and potentially one in the case of godfather, good fake claims etc. Though the nokilling thing would just be weird.

Konowa is pretty much the smartest choice just because of the rb claim.

I was going to say that I wanted to wait to make sure nobody special watched kovara tonight, but I think I've changed my mind on that. I actually don't care who he chooses to watch tonight. Still gonna wait to vote until we make sure, but I think it's the most pragmatic choice

even though I've been reading konowa as town and don't want to be wrong

[Tammy]

So you think town should just roll over and die in this situation?

Yep.

Anyone who has ever played with me can tell you that I absolutely hate being mislynched and fight against suspicion/lynch like hell. But, if someone had role related reasons to think I was scum, and I couldn't explain it away, such as in this situation, I'd totally accept and believe in my lynch if it would help town understand what was going on.

(Though I think I'd probably be a bit proactive in trying to give my thoughts and hope that people would take them into consideration upon my flip.)

((I also don't just buy that konowa is definitely town here and town rolling over because i followed the end of the last fake god game where he was scum lynched, the final scum lynched, which ended the game, and after he was lynched he was still proclaiming to be town and what they should do. That's some dedication right thar.)

[Tammy]

I was hoping to hear more from kovara and not science before the day ended.

VOTE: konowa

[Tammy]

Yayayayay!

I loved this setup and flavor; it was a lot of fun to think about. I'm glad my flavor and setup spec were pretty on target. I think the fact that the game didn't run so fast gave me time to think about it as much as I did.

Gave Konowa a townish read for a silly reason, but glad my vca (which I rarely ever do) was pretty on point.

You guys were so nice in the dead thread!

How did the scum know to kill ABR night one? Was that just a shot in the dark?

Thanks FakeGod for running it! I had a lot of fun playing with all of you though I do wish there was a little more activity!

[Tammy]

Oh but sorry about my own lack of activity and distraction for the past couple weeks!

[Tammy]

@Tammy: It's fun working with town you when there is no suspicion on either side.

Thanks! It was fun working with you too!

[Tammy]

See tammy Iwas right to trust you blindly. >.>b

>_>

[Tammy]

Good game Town.

Apologies Tammy if you thought I was insulting you. I knew you were going to be one of the biggest issues for us so I wanted to interact with you early and the whole flavor spec thing was an easy way to talk.

It's k! I didn't take it personally (well I took it a little personally) but only in the moment.

Besides, you were scum, so.