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So I've only cursorily skimmed this game but I'll get to it tomorrow. Anyway I had a thought and fake god just confirmed that scum have to know our flavor name to kill us.
Which makes beast town maybe or scum possibly based on how he set it up and how much information he started off giving to scum.
Okay this isn't really helpful at all, but someone should see where I'm going with this. Meep.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 73, beastcharizard wrote:In post 64, Tammy wrote:So I've only cursorily skimmed this game but I'll get to it tomorrow. Anyway I had a thought and fake god just confirmed that scum have to know our flavor name to kill us.
Which makes beast town maybe or scum possibly based on how he set it up and how much information he started off giving to scum.
Okay this isn't really helpful at all, but someone should see where I'm going with this. Meep.
What information did I give them?
Not information you gave them, but how much information fake god did.
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I have a reason to believe beast is town, but it's not something I want to go into.
But I do think his paranoia over marquis being scum because rolecop sounds real.
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In post 98, Konowa wrote:It's not setup spec though. It's do I believe Tammy, ABR, and kats are all Town who had this "original thought" in regards to "all actions must target the character name"? All three of them are smart players so it kind of throws me for a loop that the conversation even happened.
Tammy, did Waffles grow opposable thumbs?
I'm running out the door, but real quick.
No, and what you're seeing with me is trying to work out the setup/people with what information I have. I'm not sure what Kats thought he saw, so if he could explain that it would be awesome! I don't so much like ABR's reaction to my post though because all I did was confirm what was in public info and since he read the first post as he showed knowledge of the setup in his first post and mentioned the line of succession, I have to assume he did read it so his "explain how you came by this information" when I literally said fake god confirmed it included night kills feels off.
Basically, I was wondering if it included night kills and when beast assumed that it did in the post where he's concerned with marquis's alignment due to being a role cop in conjunction with things I was considering based on my own role, it was something I wanted to confirm before I started making erroneous assumptions about the game. I can't be any more clear than that at the moment, but it will make sense at some point, promise! Even if I come to a wrong conclusion, this will make sense.
I love games that have a heavy flavor component and tend to think about the setup much more than I do in regular games.
Also, in case I forget, FakeGod mentioned there being a servants neighborhood. I'm kinda surprised noone brought that up (that I saw); I normally want to know who is in neighborhoods, but considering it's night only there's nothing to learn from it yet and considering the recent final fantasy game where we obsessed about who was scum in the neighborhood (none!) and it ended up derailing the game, I don't want to know yet. But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.
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In post 102, Nobody Special wrote:In post 101, Tammy wrote:But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.
Why are you assuming that there is a need for name-claiming within the neighborhood?
I'm not?
I'm assuming that people will always do what they do in neighborhoods and that's claim their characters/roles or suggest it.
It should go without saying, but people shouldn't be claiming their characters in neighborhoods this game.
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In post 110, Antihero wrote:the beast wagon taking off w/ no resistance doesn't make me optimistic about it
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In post 115, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 114, Antihero wrote:
you did it in the douchiest way possible in order to push what you think is a juicy mislynch
so the biggest wagon is beast right now...any reasons you think he isnt a mislynch?
you said you dont like his wagon...sooo, well gee, now I am confused.
I thought he was referring to you pushing his wagon not beasts wagon but then
In post 117, Antihero wrote:/looks back
/doesn't see an opinion on beast anywhere
yeah, you've got room to join the wagon. what are you "confused" about?
Makes it seem he was talking about the beady wagon.
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Are you saying he's scum because he read the first post?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 70, Katsuki wrote:OOOOOOOOOOOOO i see where byoure going with this... maybe
but it is something i at least forgot about, how inteeresting
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I actually liked that post by beast.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 58, beastcharizard wrote:There are three people here who I would deem a direct threat to me as scum: Marquis, notscience and Antihero. The one thing I would want is for them to town read me. Guess what isn't happening?
They are the biggest reasons I get anywhere in games as scum. I piggy back off of their town reads on me.
Marquis should know for a fact that since I don't give a shit what they think of me that I am town.
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In post 130, Marquis wrote:In post 11, beastcharizard wrote:I see the logic but I don't think it is right.
In post 12, beastcharizard wrote:Also, it is Marquis's house.
this is not a town!beast opening
this is a scum!beast who's made sure he knows everything possible about the setup so far
Why is knowing everything about the set up scum? I never read setups, but flavor heavy ones I do.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 127, notscience wrote:The reasono there's a beast push is his meta is to have a stick up his butt as scum compared to as town he's way more trolly.
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In post 140, Tammy wrote:Sorry that was unclear. Do you typically think he's town when he's scum?
Marquis I also wanted you to answer if you typically town read beast when he's scum.
Anti - when you stop being mad at ckd, can you also answer this question? And tell me what you think of beast?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 145, Nobody Special wrote:In post 116, Tammy wrote:In post 102, Nobody Special wrote:In post 101, Tammy wrote:But the servants should not name claim in the neighborhood.
Why are you assuming that there is a need for name-claiming within the neighborhood?
I'm not?
I'm assuming that people will always do what they do in neighborhoods and that's claim their characters/roles or suggest it.
It should go without saying, but people shouldn't be claiming their characters in neighborhoods this game.
What I meant was, why do you assume that the neighbors haven't already been told each other's role names?
I don't think fake god makes a game where people have to know character names instead of player names for any actions and then makes a neighborhood where he outs to the group who each persons character is. It pretty much defeats the purpose.
Also, when I was in a neighborhood in his Viscon mansion game, he just told us who we shared a neighborhood with but not who the flavor names were.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 188, Katsuki wrote:abr if I give you ckd today will you give me charizard on a spit tmr?
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I just read my role pm a little closer. Jerks never appreciate talent and are probably traitorous killers!
But why kill the groundskeeper?
OH ACTUALLY.
In post 0, FakeGod wrote:
"Don't you worry about me, Aria. It's my job to make sure the roads are safe for Master Lukewill's return.
Keep the dinner warm for me. I will be back soon."
- Last words of Matthew the Groundskeeper
You areMatthew Chatowic, theGroundskeeper of the Norsweld Household, and.TownVT
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I think curiouskarmadog is innocent. The groundskeeper was out there making sure the roads were safe for his return. Why would ckd kill HIM? What if it was someone who was trying to make sure the ckd didn't actually make it home safely?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I swear to all the gods if someone doesn't take their vote off of him and this lynch goes through before the beast stuff gets sorted out, I will virtually pummel all of you.
There are people who have not posted enough today that I want to hear more from, regardless of ckd's alignment.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 164, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 159, Nobody Special wrote:Calling it now: ckd + Antihero scum teammates.
just for that future record.
is antihero scum because of my interaction with him
or is he scum on some other actions you deem scummy?
if I flip town, is antihero still scum or back to "?"
That being said, when I was falling asleep last night I remembered this post and it bugs me. Why "if" and not "when"?
Regardless, I still really want people to address the beast thing. Pretty please?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 234, SXTLHGaiden wrote:bert, i dunno about followin you down the ABR rabbit hole.
if you request it, i shall consider using my vote for the cause.
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In post 238, Bert wrote:k. i understand.
that excitement wont come until near deadline, cos not feeling it. i may not be confident about the wagon myself since im not all into the game, but i believe it's town driven at its core, and that is why i believe in it.
im just confused by ppl saying X may be town due to flavor, or trying to find out alignments due to heavy flavor.
like, what me being second in line has to do with alignment.
this feels like a trap
But that is, at its core, ABR's push on ckd.
I think that ABR is probably town, but that is the only town read I have on the wagon right now. And I think that ABR is pushing ckd primarily for two reasons, he thinks his flavor reasoning is correct, and maybe it is, and ckd hasn't been exactly nice to ABR by calling him a bad player.
I just really want more info before going into night and I want marquis to talk about beast.
Also - Do not hammer. If you even think Marquis is town, do not hammer before he's verified he's used his role. So, someone unvote please and thank you.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 241, Konowa wrote:In post 235, Tammy wrote:A game of this type, with the info/role I have, no.
I don't get your point though. If you can't see the obvious from the way I'm approaching this, then I probably can't help you.
Letting mod flavor, not flavor mechanics, indicate alignment just doesn't seem something I would expect from you? Maybe I'm misremembering what I think of your play from the brief encounters we have played together.
As for beast, I mentioned #58 because from my perspective all he has done is cry foul that Marquis isn't Townreading him thus Marquis must be Scum. His line of thought is forced. It appears as if he is more concerned with getting Marquis to Townread him rather than actually trying to determine whether Marquis is Scum or not, if that makes any sense.
Outside of that, I'm pretty lost.
That feels like a back handed insult
I'll admit I could be overthinking it and if you think that I think he's at IC status because of me looking at the mod flavor and taking it into account and not noticing that I've also been looking at ckd's play, then I don't know what to tell you there. (What I mean by if you can't see the obvious is that if you can't see that I've been using every piece of information available to try to sort this out, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm looking at mod flavor, but I'm also looking at how it intertwines with the players.)
As far as the beast/marquis thing goes, I've seen enough of those interactions between different players that it's par for the course sometimes. Beast made a claim though about not science, marquis and antihero. I want to see them address that claim.
pedit: marquis is a name cop. It's in the OP. Also why are they talking about hammering then. I suppose I shouldn't post before I'm fully awake.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 58, beastcharizard wrote:There are three people here who I would deem a direct threat to me as scum: Marquis, notscience and Antihero. The one thing I would want is for them to town read me. Guess what isn't happening?
They are the biggest reasons I get anywhere in games as scum. I piggy back off of their town reads on me.
Marquis should know for a fact that since I don't give a shit what they think of me that I am town.
It's here. He claims here that Marquis, not science and Antihero are why he wins scum games because they town read him.
Notscience has said that he's averagish at reading him.
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In post 246, Bert wrote:In post 241, Konowa wrote:As for beast, I mentioned #58 because from my perspective all he has done is cry foul that Marquis isn't Townreading him thus Marquis must be Scum. His line of thought is forced. It appears as if he is more concerned with getting Marquis to Townread him rather than actually trying to determine whether Marquis is Scum or not, if that makes any sense.
Outside of that, I'm pretty lost.
Bingo on the desperation on wanting to be townread. I'm pretty lost too, but partly because I skipped some stuff and am going to get into this game more as time goes on. I also like the stuff you brought up about mod flavor in this post, so the post as a whole is spot on IMO.
Post Edit: Missed the claim about notscience, marquis, and antihero. Will look for that.
Actually the mod flavor part is crap. The mod literally said that flavor will be heavier than usual in this game and I'm being criticized for looking at the flavor, and it's spot on.
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In post 249, Konowa wrote:I just don't see anything Town from CKD, Tammy. So it just looks like you're using the mod flavor as a crutch to call CKD Town. What about CKD's play makes you think he is Town?
Read everything I've said please. Yesterday I said I thought ckd and antihero looked like scum theater, and today I pointed out something specific I didn't like about ckd's play. Last night I started reading through ckd's most recent game; he took a long hiatus, but I was too tired to finish it.
I think that anyone even with minimal experience of me knows that just because I point out one thing that leads me to believe they're one alignment or the other doesn't mean that stops there. There's no crutch for me calling someone town; I could certainly come up with something better if I thought I needed to.
But I don't appreciate being underhandedly insulted for looking at mod flavor when the mod specifically said the flavor would be more important this game. I could completely be wrong in my interpretation of that. Maybe ckd killed Matthew on the way in as misdirection so people would think others were suspicious. Who knows.
What I do know, right this minute, is I prefer having them talk about this beast thing right now.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 253, Konowa wrote:My interpretation of flavor being heavier than usual was flavor mechanics and not actually storytelling flavor, as I would think they would different? Probably why I'm cringing a little reading your posts.
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That's fine. I'm not always right. I am potentially wrong. But what you basically said is that you think of me as a better player than to look at mod flavor and you're cringing over it when the mod said flavor would be important. I could be wrong on what aspects of the flavor is important, but I really don't think it's horrible of me to be looking at everything and taking everything into account.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 274, Equinox wrote:I wasn't fond of how the curiouskarmadog wagon was progressing before, but right now I'm not very fond of some of curiouskarmadog's behavior, either. Decisions, decisions. What's bothering me are the number of people just sheeping Albert B. Rampage. I can sort of see how that can be happening, but it still feels sketchy just reading the posts jumping on. On the other hand, curiouskarmadog on this page has been demanding some weird explanations of people. Vague feelings yay. I promised that I'd read back and I should do that.
Tammy, forgive me if you talked about this already and just point out where you did, but how did curiouskarmadog feel to you in the game that you read?
I'm with Tammy that discussing beastcharizard is becoming increasingly urgent, especially because there seems to be a very apparent lack of interest in that department from the people who should be talking about it.
So, yes, none of you chuckleheads should be lynching beforebothbeastcharizard and Marquis come to this thread.
I didn't read the whole game as I started reading it after I thought he could be innocent due to the mod flavor thing and I fell asleep. He was a replacement in that game, so I didn't get to see what his entrance was like to compare.
He didn't feel as theatrical, not sure if that's the right word but it was the thought I had just before drifting off. But again, I only got just past his replacement posts before I fell asleep.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Mmkay Bert let's look at this. You said that ckd's wagon felt town driven.
This is his wagon:
curiouskarmadog [5] - Albert B. Rampage, Nobody Special, Antihero, Bert, katsuki
I can understand a town read on ABR; he's probably town - though his conviction on reasoning is easy to fake. I'm going with town for now.
Why are you town reading Nobody Special?
Why are you town reading Antihero? Considering the fact that you literally just forced yourself to iso the antihero/ckd showdown and claimed that it was part of what made you apathetic, how were you reading him as town before that?
Also, were you reading the game prior to getting apathetic because ckd and antihero had an argument? You read the op because your second post in the game was you acknowledging that you're second in line to inheritance. How did you not know that Marquis was the head of the household and therefore a name cop.
He also says he's a name cop, why were you saying he was softing? You also know that you're second in line for inheritance, were you not informed what that meant? Otherwise you claiming to think marquis was just softing a name cop looks really disingenuous.
Also, we've been over it in the game before you got apathetic because of the ckd/antihero showdown that scum cannot kill people by their player names but by their character names, why are you sounding like it's something you've not known?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Marquis - Please answer my question. Do you typically town read beast when he's scum?
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Maybe ckd is scum, and beast is scum with him and is pushing marquis as scum to get the name cop role to ckd. IDK.
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In post 293, Marquis wrote:In post 287, Tammy wrote:Marquis - Please answer my question. Do you typically town read beast when he's scum?
i can't answer this question
Actually why won't you answer this question?
You're calling beast scum. He's claiming that you town read him when he's scum and he uses that to win his scum games. Why won't you answer that question?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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okay.
nope there's not a neighborhood claim. I don't really want one today because they wouldn't have been able to talk so it wouldn't be useful and I'm kinda burned from final fantasy's distraction on find the scum neighbor when there wasn't one.
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Wait:
Inheritance follows modified agnatic seniority. (eldest to youngest son, then eldest to youngest daughter, then eldest to youngest grandson, etc)
Does this mean it goes eldest son then youngest son, then eldest daughter then youngest daughter, then eldest grandson then youngest grandson?I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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In post 49, curiouskarmadog wrote:And where is Matthew?
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In post 319, notscience wrote:
Hey tammy
What do you think of Mara's post with the above being noted?
Thinking about it.
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Okay here's my main problem with ckd is his lack of scum hunting. In the game I started reading, which I still didn't get very far into and probably won't until later, he was scum hunting. Here, there's been the push on antihero for lurking. (Speaking of Anti - where are you?) And then the blow up with him and then nothing really until voting Bert for feeling lost a few pages into the game.
I'm still feeling a bit squicky about that interaction.
I probably won't be able to post very much before Sunday. My family is coming in soon and I have a funeral to go to tomorrow. I'm not sure how long my family will be staying tomorrow after the funeral, but I won't be able to post much until they leave. Since the days are short and the deadline is close, I'll make this game my priority for when I do have a moment here or there, but don't expect me around much.
pedit: no there's no proof they're not. I just asked fake god if they wanted to kill me would they have to target xyz and he said yes.I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Tammy Survivor
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