(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:22 pm

@shos,

Wrong. The longer you are available as a mislynch, that means the less likely they are to be lynched. So you're actually pretty good for most scum to keep around.

We have no way of knowing how big teams are. Unless you do.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:47 pm

In post 4701, BlizZard wrote:I think she means it's a mislynch to the scum teams that are not his.

Yes.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:48 pm

In post 4707, BlizZard wrote:
In post 4705, Wisdom wrote:though peregrine's was apparently one-shot, so maybe

The only thing giving me pause on PV-Scum is the nature of his role. I think it would fit more like something mastin would give to town than scum.

And if PV faked his role entirely?

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:58 pm

I wasn't saying bussed.

PV attempts to save scum!shos. Creates a guilty on ProHawk based on his lack of posting. No one really townread him (I did solely because of the ease of his wagon opposed to my guilty result), so it was easy enough to guess scum.

Then, PV predicts the same result that shos got. Only one result needed for two scum players.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:28 pm

Ika, your agenda driven posting is showing. Who never fakeclaims ad scum? I am proven cop. If you think I am fakeclaiming, I would have to coordinate with shos and Blizzard and be conducting a triple bus in multiball all while hoping none of us actually flip while tunnelling each other.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:57 pm

@Bulba, no scumteam fears the fruit vendor with so many others in play. Why not block me? Town would only block Klingon if they assumed she was making the nk. I do not see why Klingon would be the nk performer on a scumteam.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:50 pm

@ika, for someone to kill you, I would expect a godfather on their team. I just do not see it though. It is ridiculously sub optimal to kill you with so many cops running around.

@bulba, I think you have this game horribly wrong. I really do not see how you get shos as conftown but your behavior flows from that.

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:54 pm

Titus, Cop of Questionable Sanity, Guilty on Shos, Inno on Wisdom
shos, Guilty on Awesome, Guilty on Blizzard
blizzard, Sane Cop, Inno on NS, Guilty on Shos
elk, Tracker n1 Shos to Awesome, blocked n2
Klingon, Fruit Vendor, n1 pirate ika, n2 blocked
Awesome, compulsive big and SK miller, n1 blocked, n2 stabbed flavor

<<< After all, the expression is go big or go home! Naturally, being awesome therefore means being large! >>>

PV, ask a question, n1 guilty on ProHawk, n2 blizzard has a gun

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:55 pm

Shos is questionable sanity as well

Titus · Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:55 pm

We know he is sane or paranoid. I am sane or insane so the lynch should be Shos or wisdom.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:12 am

@shos, scum cop possibility came up yesterday. You were still reading me as conftown despite me tunneling you because I was insane was your theory.

@Bulba, I revealed things about cop before he did but for flavor text. the confirmation, given scum cop possibility is not suicidal. However, Shos has shown survivalist tendencies...not voting Wisdom when he would know Wisdom had to be scum if I am insane. Instead he throws secret miller around.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:13 am

In post 4851, Muffin wrote:
In post 4845, Wisdom wrote:Flipping him gets a scum lynched, me conftown, possible info on blizzard, lots of potential scum on my wagon/ in the neighborhood. How is that "close to nothing"?

Let's say shos flips scum.

How do we know you're not a godfather? How do we know Titus is sane?

Sane would be the only sanity left.

Wisdom could be gf but it is less likely with a gf being flipped already.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:42 am

If Wisdom believes I am sane, Shos is confscum. There's no role change so no secret miller. He is wrong on him being conftown though but a second gf is remote.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:37 am

Or we could just lynch Shos. Shos flips scum cop, we still have PV myself and Blizzard. Blizzard is in just the same position as shos was but with fewer guilties on him. Lynching Shos also confirms Wisdom as town or godfather.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:11 am

In post 4879, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 4856, Titus wrote:If Wisdom believes I am sane, Shos is confscum.
There's no role change so no secret miller.
He is wrong on him being conftown though but a second gf is remote.

The bolded is not internally consistent.

Secret miller would be a withheld role item from the player, which is forbidden under the "no role change". We were told about our sanities being questionable, but not miller status... I do not buy it.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:13 am

I did answer who I thought would shoot you... the answer is that shooting you is so suboptimal, I cannot wrap my head around it. I'm attempting to but I would imagine it would have to be someone very stupid or someone who has shos on their team.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:56 am

Your analysis is totally off PV. I'll fix it.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:57 am

Then again, the fact that you have no Blizzard info on all of them greatly undermines the believability of your claim PV.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:08 am

Wisdom town

/GF

flip

Titus is sane cop
Shos is scum

no info on Blizzard

Blizzard is likely cop or scum

no info on Awesome (other than his claim)

Wisdom scum

but not GF

flip

Titus is insane cop
Shos is town cop

Blizzard is scum

Blizzard is a cop or scum (shos could be paranoid)

Awesome is scum or Miller-Returning-SK-Upon-Investigation

no info on Awesome (other than his claim)

shos town

or GF COP

flip

Blizzard is scum

Blizzard is a cop or scum (shos could be paranoid)

Titus is insane
Wisdom is

town

scum but not GF

(assuming Insane cop result on GF is "guilty")

Awesome is scum or Miller-Returning-SK-Upon-Investigation

no info on Awesome (other than his claim)

shos scum

but not GF

flip

no info on Blizzard

Blizzard is a cop or scum (two fakeclaims on a single slot is unlikely)

no info on Awesome (other than claim)
Titus is sane cop

no info on Wisdom

Wisdom is town

Blizzard town

or GF COP

flip

no info on NS

NS is town or GF

shos is scum

shos is scum or paranoid

Titus is sane
No info on Wisdom
no info on Awesome (other than claim)

Blizzard scum

and not GF

flip

no info on NS (although I would suspect town)
no info on shos (but likely scum considering NS is likely town, cannot see scum fabricating results here)
no info on Titus
No info on Wisdom
no info on Awesome (other than claim)

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:20 am

I've just put up the right analysis. We clearly learn the most by lynching Shos.

We get my sanity resolved, plus at least one scum.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:27 am

In post 4920, Wisdom wrote:The entire point of PV's "analysis" was to argue a fallacy about me being lynched being better.

Good thing I shot that to hell.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:45 am

In post 4930, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4928, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4920, Wisdom wrote:The entire point of PV's "analysis" was to argue a fallacy about me being lynched being better.

It was actually to examine it. If you disagree with some part, then give that part and why you disagree.

Titus already corrected it.

Basically you had info on Blizzard on my flip and no info on Blizzard on shos flip when neither provides more info on Blizzard, you had shos town on a wisdom scum flip but no Wisdom town on a shos scum flip, and something else about godfathers that didn't make much sense.

Since Godfathers create town results, we have to put town OR GF in each section.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:46 am

In post 4925, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4916, Wisdom wrote:Due to plurality and before ns votes you're voting who you claimed you think is town.

How the fuck does this make sense? You are blatantly trying to save shos and you're not even hiding it anymore.

of fucking course i'm not trying to hide it i've said multiple times myself that i think you're both town

my townread on shos stems from the claim with partial confirmation and the mechanics of our neighborhood, as well as how i think he has a hell of a lot more credibility than titus

my townread on you stems from how i think you are being honest, your interactions with muffin, and most importantly your stupid stupid tendency to think everyone who doesn't agree with you or see things exactly from your viewpoint is scum. and while it's not as strong of a read as my shos townread it's still definitely up there

i would lynch titus, klingon, or blizzard in a heartbeat given the chance. i've said this multiple times before as well
but today the only wagons anyone cares about is my town neighbor and a usually capable town player
and i fucking hate it

Your setup is impossible.

I have an innocent on one and a guilty on the other. Literally impossible for both of them to be the same alignment unless they are both scum and one is a GF.

If you want today to be over, vote Shos and stay there. WE are.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:49 am

In post 4936, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4895, PeregrineV wrote:shos town flip

Wisdom is town (assuming Insane cop result on GF is "guilty")

this is what I was referring to (he didnt list me as scum if shos flips town), but he apparently corrected it in the revised version.

I saw that as well. That unnerved me, but I didn't have evidence to suggest it wasn't a typo and I was afraid it would be dismissed as Titus being nuts. That makes me suggest he knows you're town and shos is scum, like I've been saying all along.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:53 am

I've included paranoid in every discussion PV. I've said a lot Shos is sane or paranoid. Just because you don't like the possibility, doesn't mean it should be excluded. Questionable sanity usually refers to one of the four sanities Sane/Insane/Naive/Paranoid.

You keep saying that even with Shos dead, we have no information on Blizzard. That suggests we should be discounting your guilty on Blizzard entirely if it's really worth no information.

A GF Cop is a cop that is also a Godfather.

Also, it shouldn't matter to you if Shos is lying about Blizzard, you should independently trust your own result on Blizzard if it is real.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:55 am

In post 4941, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4934, Titus wrote:
In post 4925, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4916, Wisdom wrote:Due to plurality and before ns votes you're voting who you claimed you think is town.

How the fuck does this make sense? You are blatantly trying to save shos and you're not even hiding it anymore.

of fucking course i'm not trying to hide it i've said multiple times myself that i think you're both town

my townread on shos stems from the claim with partial confirmation and the mechanics of our neighborhood, as well as how i think he has a hell of a lot more credibility than titus

my townread on you stems from how i think you are being honest, your interactions with muffin, and most importantly your stupid stupid tendency to think everyone who doesn't agree with you or see things exactly from your viewpoint is scum. and while it's not as strong of a read as my shos townread it's still definitely up there

i would lynch titus, klingon, or blizzard in a heartbeat given the chance. i've said this multiple times before as well
but today the only wagons anyone cares about is my town neighbor and a usually capable town player
and i fucking hate it

Your setup is impossible.

I have an innocent on one and a guilty on the other. Literally impossible for both of them to be the same alignment unless they are both scum and one is a GF.

If you want today to be over, vote Shos and stay there. WE are.

or you're just scum
and you've not been roleblocked or targeted for a kill once

Setting my alignment aside, doubtcasting me does not change my results.

If they don't flip opposite to each other, I'm first up on the block. So no, the results are real. One of the two is scum.

If you really want the day to end, vote Shos and stay there.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:57 am

In post 4945, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4930, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4928, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4920, Wisdom wrote:The entire point of PV's "analysis" was to argue a fallacy about me being lynched being better.

It was actually to examine it. If you disagree with some part, then give that part and why you disagree.

Titus already corrected it.

Basically you had info on Blizzard on my flip

Your scumflip means Titus insane--->shos sane---->Blizzard scum (all results based)

and no info on Blizzard on shos flip when neither provides more info on Blizzard,

shos flip town means he has result of Blizzard=scum
shos flip scum means he's lying about Blizzard (means no info, Blizzard could be scum or town)

you had shos town on a wisdom scum flip but no Wisdom town on a shos scum flip,

Wisdom scum flip means Titus insane
If shos flips scum, could you still be a GF? Yes. Your direct alignment would only be determined by a Wisdom flip or a Titus flip.

and something else about godfathers that didn't make much sense.

Titus added that.

Wrong. Wisdom's scumflip does not confirm Shos as sane. Shos is sane or paranoid regardless of what Wisdom flips.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:03 pm

In post 4951, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4939, Titus wrote:
In post 4936, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4895, PeregrineV wrote:shos town flip

Wisdom is town (assuming Insane cop result on GF is "guilty")

this is what I was referring to (he didnt list me as scum if shos flips town), but he apparently corrected it in the revised version.

I saw that as well. That unnerved me, but I didn't have evidence to suggest it wasn't a typo and I was afraid it would be dismissed as Titus being nuts. That makes me suggest he knows you're town and shos is scum, like I've been saying all along.

If I knew Wisdom was town, we really wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?

There's this thing called slips my dear.

Explain how Shos is town and Wisdom is also town.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:07 pm

In post 4957, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:answer: you're scum

Non-responsive and wrong.

For my results to be fake, I would have had to coordinate this cops of questionable sanity with Shos who I have a guilty on.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 4963, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4958, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4955, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:i want today to end right now

then vote shos.

you'll understand when you're older

I'm older than you sweetcheeks and I still know voting shos is the right play.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:13 pm

In post 4960, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4944, Titus wrote:I've included paranoid in every discussion PV. I've said a lot Shos is sane or paranoid. Just because you don't like the possibility, doesn't mean it should be excluded. Questionable sanity usually refers to one of the four sanities Sane/Insane/Naive/Paranoid.

If every cop result is going to be the subject of the 4 sanities, then why do we even care? Let's lynch Blizzard, since I am 100% with my investiagtions.

You keep saying that even with Shos dead, we have no information on Blizzard. That suggests we should be discounting your guilty on Blizzard entirely if it's really worth no information.

What makes you think Blizzard is a cop? Just because he said so?
ProHawk claimed town Jailkeeper. He was not.
If shos flips town, we know Blizzard is scum (double results). If shos flips scum, then Blizzard is in the exact same boat- Is he scum fakeclaiming to save his own skin, or town cop? Answer: No info.

Or, listen to me and lynch his scum ass.

A GF Cop is a cop that is also a Godfather.

Um, OK. Which flipped role gave you the impression that this role is in the game. Or could be in the game. Or, give me 5 games ever on this site that used that role.

Also, it shouldn't matter to you if Shos is lying about Blizzard, you should independently trust your own result on Blizzard if it is real.

I'm doing this for everyone else's benefit. See 4905

Wrong. Two of the sanities are eliminated day 2, much like in a deathy.

If you're wanting to stick with 100% sanity, the proper play is to lynch shos because if shos is not guilty or is godfather cop, then Blizzard is turbolynched.
I could tell you it was the way Blizzard claimed, but the fact is I don't believe you so I don't care about what Blizzard claimed. Second, we learn more from lynching shos than Blizzard.

We knew ProHawk claimed Jailkeeper. He was jailkeeper. So I don't see why Blizzard scum would claim cop when there are other roles that he could claim that are safer that still explain your result.

#4905 and #4903 explain nothing.

A shos lynch is the most informative lynch and the most likely to flip scum.

I don't have to subject Blizzard to the sanity question. He's claiming sane cop. Therefore, if shos doesn't come back scum, we turbolynch Blizzard.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 4966, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4965, Titus wrote:
In post 4963, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 4958, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4955, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:i want today to end right now

then vote shos.

you'll understand when you're older

I'm older than you sweetcheeks and I still know voting shos is the right play.

um, no

Literally, it is the right play.

Let's suppose for a minute that shos decided to conspire with a scumfuck to fake a guilty on himself (which is literally what you are saying when you say Titus scum, Shos town, Wisdom town)... the right play is to expose that.
Lynch Shos.
Tammy vigs Wisdom.

Both flip town. Blizzard and I are turbolynched.

So vote shos.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:19 pm

Wisdom is town or Godfather
Blizzard is cop or scum (and must give more results)
I give additional results if I live

Elk can track me.

Titus · Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:25 pm

@Wis, Touhou wasn't derping on purpose. It was a total lack of investment. I just could not dig in.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:50 am

We should lynch Blizzard for the same reasons we lynched shos. If Blizzard flips Cop, then either Impossibear or NS depending on sanity.

PV is town. I got a scum result on PV but we know I am insane.

VOTE: Blizzard

Blizzard is insane or full of shit.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:57 am

In post 5052, Awesome wrote:My only problem is why isn't scum taking out the cops?

Well my reads have been utter shit. Blizzard had a guilty on him from a sane or paranoidcop.

Elk missing his action is off...

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:59 am

Given the number of outed roles, should we massclaim?

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:43 pm

Blizzard, why would your results be messed with and not mine?

In order for your belief to be accurate, scum had to fuck w shos results and PV results and I would have to be naive.

That is very unlikely.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:45 pm

I checked PV because I thought he was scum sneaking under the radar.

PV, I get the feeling either FIN3, Ank or Muffin is not a miller. Can you ask how many millers are in the game?

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:02 pm

Fair enough. You got the idea. I am not a fan of those two claiming miller. What can I do about it though? I am running out of people to check.

4 miller claims, myself, PV, Blizzard (likely lynch)

That leaves me guille NS Bear theelkspeaks and ika... taking suggestions at this point

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 5100, Muffin wrote:Mollie/Ika slot needs vigged.

That or NS... due to Blizzard saying they were town during his fake copping

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:04 pm

In post 5099, Muffin wrote:Anyone who was townreading Wisdom and buying his "I'm so obvtown" horseshit needs to apologize for that incredibly frustrating day yesterday. I cannot
believe
you all got cajoled into lynching shos.

We were all fucking telling you he was town.

I don't buy Blizzard's excuses one iota.

VOTE: blizzard

Consider this my apology.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:11 pm

Fin3 is a claimed miller.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:58 pm

I could have sworn you were a miller claimer Fin3.

Titus · Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:22 pm

Why do you suppose he told the hood? They would just avoid shooting his target.

Can you give input on who I should cop ika?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:27 am

@Guille, Why is #5142 worded in the present tense?

Massclaim only hurts scum because I am pretty sure I am next on the chopping block.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:59 am

The easy solution to that is to vig them.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:01 am

I would prefer an ika vig though. If he's scum with two extra lives, that's dead meat to us.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:55 am

In post 5151, Pirate Ika wrote:i can also tell you right now that if we were an sk titus would of been dead n1 for a multitude of reasons

Wifom. You killing me means the target goes straight back to you. Plus I was outed cop and most likely a heal target so you probably cannot kill me as long as a doc lives...

Hmm..that's a point against massclaim.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:57 am

In post 5150, Pirate Ika wrote:then plz explain to us what flavor is our kills and who we killed and why

if you have seen you could be anybody 2 you would already know that mollie and i are not an sk based on how we would be playing it

1) Could be bulletproof groupscum (and your buddies killed, especially if Fascist)...odd you jump right to SK
2) None of the flavors are conclusively linked

The last point is wifom.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:07 am

@ika

#5154,

1)Is it really wrong to presume it's ika talking when you refer to mollie in the third person like you repeatedly just did?
2) I'm not falling into the trap of trying to solve exactly what alignment you are just that you aren't town to me is good enough.
3) Cops are obvious heal targets. The fact one doc did not (when we have 2 at least, DGB and Bulbazak) is nothing. Scum would be aware of this and not want to NK me.
4) I never said you were against massclaim or for it. I was for it until this conversation made me realize that massclaim would just let scum know who might be healing me/PV.
5) Guille said scum would make us want to think that scum were parts of two men teams in his post. I agree. Klingon flipped scum and slipped there were three man teams. For the record, if I had to pick I would pick Fascist.
6) Your game has been all about doubtcasting me and making me less useful. First, you accuse me of faking cop (disproved). Then, you basically fall back on wanting the vig to nightkill me. Sure my reads have been off, but I'm a cop, I can afford to take chances. If no one believes me, I use the cop as a reset. Also, bonus if you are Fascist scum. You would have known my sanity and thus have known which side of the argument to be on.
7) SK miller seems off without an SK. SK being two shot deathproof makes a lot of sense in this setup.

TLDR, I don't like you as town PI but I am not falling into your trap of trying to solve the game right now. There's too many living scum.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:17 am

And if they are deathproof? Then what?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:18 am

Blizzard is still the right move today, but shooting ika is the optimal play in case he is the SK. I'll likely clear him regardless if you are right Tammy. I cleared PV and he was town.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:22 am

What wifom? You've been bringing that in to discredit me. Highlighting it is not improper.

The SK needs some sort of power. (Awesome without SK makes no sense). Deathproof makes sense.

Also, where is ika's usual push for massclaim? His trolling? Why couldn't I talk to Mollie at the early game to read her?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:31 am

1) Deathproof is not wifom. It's just stating the obvious possibility. The SK would need to have something like that or investigation immunity. Investigation immunity also works to your advantage. Two shot bulletproof with cop immunity also makes sense. Then again, the setup seems the mod just wanted to include one of everything conceivable.

2) Imbalanced, yes. Impossible for any given side to win, no. An SK without protecting in a game with 5 nightkills is ridiculous.

3) LOL. Right... blame Mollie. Is that seriously going to be your reasoning for everything?

I know you were referring to 5152. Earlier I said I wanted Guille to massclaim. Our conversation make me realize if one of them is a hidden doc, scum cannot kill me before then so :-p.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:32 am

I actually gotta go. I have a narrow window before working.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:55 am

In post 5216, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5206, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5205, PeregrineV wrote:He's gonna flip scum, but not sure what faction.

well we have 2 unknown factions and the rest are gone so.... wanna spec on what faciton eh is?

Not until I ISO all the dead scum. With 2 man teams, smart thing would have been to totally ignore your buddy.

Hoping someone slipped up with that.

So we're just ignoring Klingon saying they were on a three person team :S

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:58 am

In post 5209, theelkspeaks wrote:VOTE: FIN3

Basically spends the first half of the game-to-date trying to lurk through and be forgotten, then spends the second half of it being "too aggressive to be scum" once she starts getting called out on lurking.

Also, that rampant (greentext?) hostility in a couple of posts, ultimately resulting in mastin's warning, kinda feels like a way of just trying to piss people off. And generally, someone trying that hard to piss people off is doing so so that they can later deflect any votes on them with a "you're just voting me because you think I'm a bastard."

You're voting the wrong person then... :S That sounds like ika's play here, bringing up irrelevant shit.

FIn3's rage I do feel was real. It takes a certain youth and naivete to post those first world problems at people randomly. Rage at what, I don't know but FIN3 was definitely pissed.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:13 am

My VCA hasn't been tested in this setup. Plus, there have been little in the way of contested wagons, so I haven't done it. If you wanted me to give it a shot, I can. Notice how my "bragging" about VCA is less here. My VCA is untested in this circumstance.

No need to be an ass when you can just ask.

Btw, the day 4 trigger was just met today.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:17 am

Mod: Why is there an exclamation point by Muffin's name on the start page?

<<< He received an official warning for his behavior. >>>

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:38 am

This is going to take quite a few hours. :/ Expect this maybe this weekend if we are lucky. I'll have some tentative Day 1 notes up tonight I hope.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:56 am

Mastina/Voided, can you edit in Vote Count Numbers... that would be extremely helpful to my analysis

<<< All days except D2 should have votecount numbers for that day already there. I'm working on compiling the VCs on the front page, and yes, this is something I have done work on, but it's still a massive work in progress. VCs in THIS game are, as you may have noticed, hard to maintain. >>>

For now, I'm stopping at D1 because uncounted vote numbers will get real fucking messy.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:17 am

In post 5231, Awesome wrote:Just read through alchemist and it makes sense for the hippie kill.

I'm thinking the beaten to a pulp was the dictator's who were probably wiped out with Prohawk's lynch day two.

Those poor hippies, just no luck with their kill shots past night one. I am surprised that klingon didn't try to shoot titus though since they're from another site together. Also our night two kill choice was between flum and klingon, I could have wiped them out that night :/

Who says they didn't? We don't know who DGB healed. Also, the tunneling from Klingon was largely one way.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:19 am

In post 5232, Pirate Ika wrote:okay so looking at all of that i am going to take in that the hood might be all town, cos bulba said mastina has a tendency to treat neighbours as masons, so I am laying off of them for a minute. that is fin and muffin.

I think tammy is town. the nks are beauftiful, she hit scum both times. defo staying off of her.

I am with tammy on the zarella townread and I wld hate to lynch some1 who has been part of our triumvirate and yes I am calling a 3 player town team against a herd of scum. fortunately they seem to be too busy killing each other. the zarella read is taking a hit with the shos guilty on them but zarella is not crazy for thinking that there might be a tailor in this game since there was 1 in the first 1. so hhhhhmmmm....gonna have to ponder this. zarella also claim a guilty on impossibear in 1519. which stacks up against the read I have on both heads.
I think impossibear are scum here.
I also think they are the 1s to most likely nk us on n2 after subbing in on d2. and eyesore did not look town to me.

perv, if you are town, cld you plz be a dear and look for who stayed away from the red and blue teams cos 2 flipped for each voted shos back to back on d1. even if you are a dirty filthy free spirited hippie plz do this. I am treating you as town by the way just based off of your play.

I lean town on ank just based on play.

what I am trying to do is bottleneck scum's options and try to rally together town.

Yeah, you're trying to force your reads as gospel rather than work though and get consensus. You're also doing an epic amount of buddying on Tammy to avoid getting shot.

PV is confirmed town. I copped them. You townread them pretty hard, and now you're walking that back... why?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:43 am

I run my own business. I had a few phone calls to make.

I am doing the VCA. As you can see, I've been pestering the mod as I've been working.

I'm still concerned we haven't seen a single communist flip and we had Pine show Communists are here...

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:44 am

Why are you doubting I'm a cop Mollie? It's been established that I'm an insane cop even if you doubt my alignment. That is unless you suddenly think my alignment guessing skills have dramatically improved (in that case self-vote).

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:15 pm

Spoiler: Day 1 initial notes

Based on this lynch (not behavior) we can infer that

Fin3, guille, Ank, Muffin, Blizzard and myself are not likely Fascists (NS is not likely a facist either). Impossibear, Awesome and Pirate ika do not get that credit as they are the last three votes on the wagon, after DGB essentially determined that

Toon Fighter

was going to be the lynch.

Ank and Impossibear were voting Klingon early, so it's highly unlikely they are hippies with Klingon.

Notably, PV is absent from each and every wagon.. :S Bad PV.

Nobody Special is absent from all the major wagons but for the shos wagon. He's not likely a facist though due to his voteparking.

Wisdom did bus Toon Fighter, which is a little surprising but not absolutely clear. By the end, when it counted, Wisdom was voting Shos.

Now, player by player (excluding myself and PV since we're both confirmed town in my eyes)

Awesome voted none of the major wagons until the end. Could be PR keeping their head down or SK not wanting to offend anyone. Punting on her (VCA analysis anyway, behaviorally she's town) for now.
Ankamius - Definitely not a hippie. Probably not a facist.
Blizzard's sole presence on the major wagons is a TF vote and his early presence on shos. He was voteparked there for quite awhile. I highly doubt Blizzard is Fascist
Fin3 votes Toon Fighter soon after the Klingon wagon takes off and remains parked there, despite putting little if any substance into the thread. Suggests Hippie behavior.Do note though that only one of Fin3/ika can be a hippie.
Guille - Guille's Vote in VC 25 puts Toon Fighter squarely ahead of Klingon, thus making it much harder to lynch Klingon.
Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle) is not likely a hippie due to voting Klingon in VC 16.
Muffin - Has one vote for Toon Fighter that quickly gets peeled away at the time of the claim. Weak not likely facist. We can also conclude that he's not likely a dictator due to his early vote on Jackal. (The rest of the Jackal voters are dead town).
Nobody Special absent from all the major wagons but for shos. This needs to be dealt with. Because we know PV is town, this is not an outright scumclaim. He spent most of the day vote parked on Wisdom, myself and AA9. We can conclude that either a) Wisdom coached him to bus or b) Nobody Special is not a Fasicst. Given Wisdom is their scum that is immune to trackers, Toon Fighter would have been a safer bus. Going with not facist.
Pirate ika - When Klingon gets to 6, Pirate ika places the 6th vote on Toon Fighter. This also benefits the Hippies and suggests ika is indeed a hippie. Do note though that only one of Fin3/ika can be a hippie. ika has a high presence on shos, to the end of day 1. His read on shos suddenly changes when I announce my guilty suggesting his read on shos was not based on behavior of shos but just ease of voting. ika had no such trepidation when my "case" on shos took off.

Based on the roles that have flipped, we should have 3 communists, 1 dictator, 1 facist, 1 hippie and 1 sk left remaining.
Communists are undetectable by my VCA of Day 1. Dictators also have the same issue, but for the Jackal wagon. That only gives Muffin is not a dictator most likely.

So our Fascist pool should be 1. theelkspeaks 3. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika) 5. Awesome (Espeonage+Tammy) 6. Impossibear (EspeciallyTheLies+Jingle) 8. Frightened inmate number3
Our hippie pool should be 1. theelkspeaks
2. guille2015
3. Pirate Ika (pirate mollie+ika)
4. Nobody Special
5. Awesome (Espeonage+Tammy)
7. Muffin
8. Frightened inmate number3
9. BlizZard (Snowstorm+Zar)
11. Ankamius

Dicator pool is everyone but me, muffin, and PV.

Communist pool is everyone but me and PV.

The hippie lists should be narrowed down by people who early pushed for a Klingon lynch day 2 because they are not likely hippies. The fascist pool can be narrowed as they should have picked shos or fought for an outside lynch. Given Fin3's behavior yesterday, they move to the top of the line for Facist lynch.

<<< Fixed the color tag that was broken throughout. >>>

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 5242, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5241, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5240, Titus wrote:Why are you doubting I'm a cop Mollie? It's been established that I'm an insane cop even if you doubt my alignment. That is unless you suddenly think my alignment guessing skills have dramatically improved (in that case self-vote).

I am waiting for a vca to lock you in and see how it matches up with what we are coming up with.

every bit of energy you spend in wasting every1's time with shitposting takes away from your focus on doing what you say you do best. if you are town I wanna see it happen. your energy goes where your focus goes, so plz quit your anklebiting and pay attention.

what i am wondering about is all of this fuss. you bragged on d1 about your vca ability and I am not seeing it. at all. if you are town consider this a very kindly request that you do it. I have
begged
asked ika to stay off of you for a bit. you have space so make use of it.

ffs

I know you think my suspecting you is shit posting, but saying that just isn't true. I have to work things out like anyone else. Extreme negative reactions and trying to pick fights don't actually work to our advantage if you are town with a very convienent claim. Nor does ika's shit posting arguing I'm not a cop when shos essentially confirmed that I am. Suspect me sure (in fact I'd love that as it gets me more checks) but keep the drama to a minimum.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:29 pm

:S This is why behavioral analysis is not my thing. I don't keep up on my memes all the young kids are doing.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:35 pm

I was looking just at the votes alone. But yes, you should be taken out of the fascist category.

Klingon said 3 scum, we should suppose there are three hippies. Two facists with just a ninja and a godfather seems a little underpowered versus a doctor, a fruit vendor plus one more scummate. So I would state an additional fascist. I could by two communists, but they would have to be really powered. The Dictators, given their power level could be dead.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:38 pm

@Awesome, yes there is in a way. Let's suppose there is no doctor, scum can just outright kill the PRs. If we do not massclaim, then we can ensure that scum must fear a doctor and it makes them less likely to kill me/PV/you (or Blizzard if he lives). That is a reason not to do massclaim. If there is a doctor, scum will just kill the doctor. Letting them wonder is good.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:52 pm

The first premise is not totally unreasonable. Mastina had used a framer before (and gave it to me while calling it a laywer hahaha). This many cops running around a framer is not out of the question.

<<< Correction, I gave her a TAILOR and named it a Lawyer. Hahaha.

>>>

Also, Mastina had a badillion cops in her last game, some sanity confirmed, some not.

My biggest shock of Blizzard's wagon is why it hasn't gone through so quickly if Blizzard is town. Scum would want to be all over that. Given there's about 6 not towns left I think, they'd all want to pile onto Blizzard if Blizzard is indeed town. Right now, I'm leaning towards Blizzard being a communist just due to today.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:04 pm

Well my VCA isn't complete yet. It's day 1 with some minor observations from memory on later days. I need vote count labels to proceed efficiently and my eyes are starting to hurt so I'll need to take a break.

Also, the last thing you should want is to lynch off my VCA well ever, because it screams you are fascist scum.

Klingon didn't send anyone fruit because either she was indeed roleblocked, wanted to set up she was roleblocked as a diversion to look town, or her actual target died and sending fruit to the dead guy looks bad.

The rest of that can be answered by...

Can the scum use there abilities and kill?

<<< As per the standard in my games, yes, they can. >>>

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:05 pm

In post 5253, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5251, Titus wrote:The first premise is not totally unreasonable. Mastina had used a framer before (and gave it to me while calling it a laywer hahaha). This many cops running around a framer is not out of the question.

that is not my point.
that is a minor part of it. but the main point is

why would a scum framer target shos on night 2

when on night 1 you already guiltied him?
when on day 2 a bunch of people were screaming to lynch him?
when no other cops had claimed or had crumbed, much less hinted at targeting shos?

a scum framer targeting shos night 2 makes absolutely no sense at all
there were infinitely better ways to use that if it existed

Not so sure. A second check on shos confirms my sanity. If a group really wanted shos lynched, framing shos to set me up as sane is pretty good play. Then if I was actually insane, I could be mislynched much more effectively.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 5257, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 0, mastin2 wrote:Toon Fighter, Fascist Godfather, Lynched Day One.
Wisdom, Fascist Ninja, stabbed night three.

"it screams you're fascist scum" titus. please. god.

The only way Wisdom wasn't dying (provided a smart vig) is if neither shos nor Wisdom got lynched yesterday. Who was pulling to lynch outside of them? In addition to never voting TF... yes, that does strongly suggest you are fascist scum.

Is it possible you're an agency captured townie? Sure, it is possible. But if I was lynching solely based off VCA, that's where I'd look.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 5258, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5255, Titus wrote:Not so sure. A second check on shos confirms my sanity. If a group really wanted shos lynched, framing shos to set me up as sane is pretty good play. Then if I was actually insane, I could be mislynched much more effectively.
...
can you not see just how far you are reaching here?
come on titus. you are so much better than this.

Not really. I'm just as conniving as scum.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:07 pm

In post 5271, Awesome wrote:oh oh that was me that pointed out that wisdom mentioned small scum teams!

I like when people remember what I say even if they don't remember I said it!

Three is a small scumteam.

If I lynched Impossibear with you, would you vig ika?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:30 pm

I want ika dead because they have been doubtcasting me all game long for no reason. I don't get thetownreads on ika. They have not done anything townie from my perspective. Now they could literally win the game by just coasting and doubtcasting me. That does not sit well. I really like ika as the sk. If you think it's such a reach, why is he town?

Also I am much more inclined to believe Klingon's slip over Wisdom's vague assertion of small teams. 3 is a small team to me.

Blizzard is a decent lynch but not confirmed scum. He could have been framed. Is it unlikely, yes. Impossible. No.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:33 pm

And the amount of power the scumteams have shown makes you rule that out because?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:35 pm

Why are they town? What has demonstrated a town mindset?

I am trying to work with you Tammy but if you cannot even meet me half way...

And if he's investigation proof, he would beg me to check him to confirm him.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:37 pm

In post 5279, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:am almost hyperventilating trying not to lash out at 5277

Fin3, I work from elimibating what is impossible. Then go to likely. If a possible scenario leaves us boned, I want toeliminate it or verify it.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:42 pm

In post 5282, Awesome wrote:I recently was a in a scum hydra with mollie and got to see her scum game up close and personal. Yes, this game is multiball while that one was not, but this is so far and away from that game that I really can't buy mollie scum here.

That is my biggest concern with them but I cannot get to mollie to read her. I was scum with her in Book of Shadows and pegged her in ochem.

Ika on the other hand is more hyperactive and trolly as town. He hasn't gone to sir lurks a lot level (which is a scumclaim from him).

I just do not get the town feels from them.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:45 pm

@Awesome, who do you think the SK is and how do you think it balances?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:47 pm

I am off to bed. I will read up tomorrow. I got no clue when deadline is or anything, so announcing out for tomorrow night.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:50 pm

Awesome is an SK miller. Their flavor would have to match an SK or it would be pointlessm

We both agree an SK is in the game. Yet we both townread Awesome.

So where is it?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:54 pm

In post 5290, Awesome wrote:
In post 5284, Titus wrote:
In post 5282, Awesome wrote:I recently was a in a scum hydra with mollie and got to see her scum game up close and personal. Yes, this game is multiball while that one was not, but this is so far and away from that game that I really can't buy mollie scum here.

That is my biggest concern with them but I cannot get to mollie to read her. I was scum with her in Book of Shadows and pegged her in ochem.

Ika on the other hand is more hyperactive and trolly as town. He hasn't gone to sir lurks a lot level (which is a scumclaim from him).

I just do not get the town feels from them.

mollie has been around a lot though. I feel like she's been posting more than you think she has and I feel like she's probably been interacting with you more than you think she has. (you know what's funny is when nacho and i hydra together people can't tell which one of us is posting even though I think 90% of the time it's really obvious because we have pretty different posting styles.) What I mean to say is that I think a similar thing is going on with you here because on day one when you said mollie was hiding from you, mollie was actually responding to you (if I'm reading that hydra right.)

but I also feel like you're a cop, so you can investigate them. They're not getting lynched today. I'm reading them as town, so I'm not vigging them. And even if I weren't, the likelihood they have another BP shot would make it pointless unless gambitting but there are higher priorities.

Do you remember bowser's game? Mollie was scum there, it was multiball, this is so much different. (mollie please be town. I'm starting to have flashbacks of defending the fuck out of shadoweh/empire and them flipping scum so please please please.)

Also there's like 11 people left, and quite possibly only the communist faction and the sk left. I mean maybe a stray one on another faction, which means even if they are scum, they don't have much room to hide.

Possibly. Yet I do not see that being true. Mollie is here now...just when I want to sleep. Seriously it is midnight for y'all. Mollie tends to post more legibily than ika. She also makes more coherent sense and is rationsl. Ika says mollie is talking and refers to mollie in the third person. There's only a few posts that really ring Mollie to me. If I could have you just vig the ika head, that would be awesome.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:57 pm

Mollie, do you think there is scum among the millers? Who are you scumreading?

Suppose I am right on 3 communists, 1 dictator, 1 hippie 1fascist and an SK. Who is each and why?

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:00 pm

Ok I am off this time. Please leave me questions to respond to tomorrow Mollie. I want a dialogue just us. No ika. I get he's pissed but I need his baggage taken out of it.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:02 pm

Got ninjaed. I thought the first was ika. The second I missed somehow.

Do not accuse me of faking irl. I run my own buisness. Shit happens.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:03 pm

In post 5302, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:awesome i suggest you vig ns or bear, though of course blizzard in case everything really does go to shit with today's lynch.

titus i suggest you cop ika.

Noted. That does seem to be the consensus.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:17 pm

Gah cannot fucking sleep. Blah.

@mollie, you see me dominating day 1? Yes, I am learning my weaknesses. I did show Wisdom that same thing when he was right and pegged Eddie Fenix as town. I also gave him credit for explaining the Pine thing. I also gave him credit for being right and wrong on ProHawk (right on scum and wrong on jailkeep). I am not going to tell people they are so smart and totally defer.

I could do a hard reset on my reads but I cannot reset the setup. That is what I do best.

And fuck you Mollie. I do not lie about irl.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:22 pm

I would rather Fin3 call me a cumslut btw. I want to hear her. As long as it is limited to in game attacks I can handle anything.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:23 pm

In post 5316, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5313, Titus wrote:And fuck you Mollie. I do not lie about irl.

Well then maybe you shuld understand that we arent lying either when ika has been saying that I have been posting.

You I trust. Him I don't. He loves to do things just to get a rise out of me.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:35 pm

I agree with that Mollie. That's how I approach every game but I lookat setup first then behavior. The possibility of a communist daction cannot be ignored. If Blizzard is scum, he likely is communist given the high resistance to lynching him and the little to no defense there.

We know my theory is the maximum anti-town number. We then know that at least 5 people must be town.

My VCA points to Fin3 as the strongest scum of a faction. He would be my preferred lynch (vigging your slot gives me the peace of mind no Witchhunt occurs).

If I am right on communists, other scum must start killing there. Doubly so if Blizzard is town.

Given the high likelihood of an SK (fmpov as I townread Awesome), I must include an SK.

Klingon's 3 person slip seems a lot more believable that Wisdom's "small" scumteams. Klingon undoubtedly had three on her team. The fasicts look woefully underpowered given 3hippies.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:36 pm

In post 5321, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5284, Titus wrote:
In post 5282, Awesome wrote:I recently was a in a scum hydra with mollie and got to see her scum game up close and personal. Yes, this game is multiball while that one was not, but this is so far and away from that game that I really can't buy mollie scum here.

That is my biggest concern with them but I cannot get to mollie to read her. I was scum with her in Book of Shadows and pegged her in ochem.

Ika on the other hand is more hyperactive and trolly as town. He hasn't gone to sir lurks a lot level (which is a scumclaim from him).

I just do not get the town feels from them.

I keep reaching out to you all game. all you do is assign my posts to ika.

Can you sign then please? A lot of your annoyance would be helped by that.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:44 pm

I am going to suspect you because of ika. I can stop pushing for Tammy to vig you so openly, but I cannot townread you solely because everyone else is.

Out of the two, Blizzard. I do get the reading Blizzard as town. I just do not want to think Blizzard was scum.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:45 pm

That means the main person agreeing with me the entire game was scum. I really do not like that.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:46 pm

In post 5325, Pirate Ika wrote:occam's razor is a friend.

Which is why I would lynch Blizzard over Bear.

I still like my vca though and if right would reduce a KPN.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:50 pm

In post 5329, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5314, Awesome wrote:The only people unaccounted for on claims are guille, nobody special, fin3 - yeah I see no reason not to mass claim.

have I said I love you especially for adding impossibear. cos they are scum.

I know thee holes in our thinking that is why I trying to reach out.

Can I help?

If I post tomorrow night, it will be smashed posting.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:59 pm

If Blizzard flips cop and she refuses to vig you, then yes.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:12 pm

It's not a bad choice. Just not the most optimal fmpov. That is unless Blizzard is a sane cop. Then Impossibear is confscum. Lynching Blizzard nets us at least one scum.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:44 pm

In post 5339, Nobody Special wrote:Occam's Razor flies right out the window when you're discussing unbalanced, possibly bastard, mafia games.

Just sayin.

Your reads and vote would be appreciated.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:41 pm

Blizzard is claiming he knows he is sane. So a flip that forces him to be insane is a problem as it makes his claim false.

Here, Blizzard is claiming shos was framed n2.

Titus · Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:59 pm

Impossibear, we are massclaiming.

Nobody Special claims VT. We have not had a repeating role yet. Noted and suspicious.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:37 am

Guille, claim.

Cop has not repeated. I am insabe. Shos was eithrr sane or paranoid. Blizzard is sane or something else.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:39 am

In post 5352, BlizZard wrote:
In post 5335, Titus wrote:If Blizzard flips cop and she refuses to vig you, then yes.

Didn't mollie claim they still absorb an NK?

Look. I get if you don't trust us because our faulty N2 result. As bad as we look right now, it's unlikely we'd be meddled last night with because we were a likely target for Awesome, and if she didn't vig us, we'd have a long day ahead of us.

Plus, you'll have to admit that impossibear does not make sense as a target for a framer-type role. Since you seem to agree we're town based on play, why don't you just trust your townread on us here and vote impossibear? Have Awesome vig us if he doesn't flip scum (PS: He will). His result is going to prove we're not lying about our claim and it also protects you from being a target at night as the only claimed Cop around.

Besides, scum benefits from us being sent to the gutters today because it's very much halted discussion anywhere else and another PR is lost.

~.Zar

Impossibear flipping scum do3s not prove you to be town sane cop. It just makes your story more likely.

I do want pirate ika vigged, but Tammy/Espeonage won't go for that. Wrong audience.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:53 am

I question why you are not voting Blizzard or Impossibear.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:14 am

In post 5358, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

I agree but too many people have claimed so we have to finish it.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:07 am

In post 5364, Awesome wrote:
In post 5358, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

That's fine, but there's also the night game to think about. Tonight might be the last chance I have to impact the game and help town, and I'd like to give the best go at it.

Locking them down at this point is a good thing.

I do not see scum killing you but for communist scum or scum you were going to stab. No one else would feel threatened by you.

Regarding massclaim, basically the least active slots are the only one that have not claimed and that feels wrong.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:45 am

Why the eye roll?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:58 am

In post 5363, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5358, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

massclaiming wld be fantastic at this point. titus pointed out there are no repeating roles in this game so far but I had a repeated role in the first game. sus on ns tho. YOU HAVEN"T DONE A THING.

I wanna hear from guille. cos he soft claimed cop or mebbe I am just dumb.

fin you are the least of our worries and I hope every1's else's. if you choose not to massclaim we won't freak out about you.

bottleneck scum. it is the only way town can win this.

ewwww...Fin3 is the last facist yo.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:06 am

Mollie we will talk tomorrow i hope. Not much I can do on that pointnow.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:28 am

What is anklebiting?

Tammy hit one scum by duh obvious... and by my count more than half the game is scum so....

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:33 am

I am getting close to the fuck it all point and hope you agree with me tomorrow.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:49 am

In post 5377, Awesome wrote:
In post 176, BlizZard wrote:
In post 131, guille2015 wrote:What are your thoughts on Fritghened and Eddie?

Why did you ask about those two in particular?

In post 144, eyestott wrote:
In post 103, BlizZard wrote:What's a lawyer?

Can reverse what result will be given if the target is investigated, eg make a town show as scum, make a scum show as town.

Good thing there's no lawyer in this game then. Unless mastin is the kind of person who repeats her mistakes...

<<< I assure you, I would not make the mistake of putting a lawyer in.
Now, that doesn't exclude me from putting a
tailor
in, mind you..... >>>

When did you read the first game?

<<You very much let me into your game Mastina. Why you call it a mistake for me to be here? (Joke)>>[/b]

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:00 am

Mollie, Expressing my opinion is not giving her trouble.

Second, there is scum motivation is stating a vig shot on you would fail. It's so Tammy views the shot as useless.

Third, I think Klingon's slip is accurate and all scumteams have three players. Three communists, one fascist, one hippie, one dictator and one sk is seven not town.

Fourth, why are you supposing we would both be alive in lylo?

Fifth, ask ika about extra lives and deathproof in witchhunt.

Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:03 am

In post 5380, Pirate Ika wrote:tammy am I crazy for thinking titus looks like panicked scum.

You are crazy for not seeing the sheer number of scum and trying to force your world view. This is me attempting to work with you and not yell at Tammy incessantly. You have been buddying her non stop. Why?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:04 am

In post 5382, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:if you all just voted blizzard now we would be spared the torture of having to hear this argument again and again and again and

...my vote is on Blizzard

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:06 am

In post 5384, Muffin wrote:
In post 5298, Titus wrote:Mollie, do you think there is scum among the millers? Who are you scumreading?

Suppose I am right on 3 communists, 1 dictator, 1 hippie 1fascist and an SK. Who is each and why?

I really don't think this is possible.

13 scum means that after a single townie death, town becomes the "uninformed minority". Even given this is "hilariously unbalanced" I don't see any way that that's the setup unless town really have no chance to win at all.

Plus if there are 7 scum left the game is over.

The game is hilariously unbalanced for a reason.

Plus with the high kills per night, scum killing each other happens a lot.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:11 am

In post 5387, Muffin wrote:You really think there are 5 town and 7 scum left?

Yes.

I am not 100 percent certain but Mastina placing millers for non existant factions makes no sense. Plus some of the factions would not be fair in 3 v 2 format. Doctor, FruitVendor plus ???(Klingon's slip) versus a Godfather and a ninja just does not seem fair.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:11 am

In post 5388, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:"(hilariously) unbalanced" still falls under "this game has been approved because each side has a similar chance to win"

My point exactly...

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:16 am

Fin3, who was in your hood at start?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:18 am

Can we prod PV?

<<< Prod? No, it hasn't been three days yet.
Poke? Yes, as soon as I get the latest VC up. >>>

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:33 am

Because people think that's what I do...People think I just yell and provide no value despite me just attempting to work towards what I think the solution is. It's kinda a frustrating vicious cycle. I get called stupid. I try to explain. Get told I sm yelling.

Well you basically won't shoot Pirate Mollie so...

Of course I don't have plans to kill you...I am not scum. Hence why I am not buddying you up the ass but trying to persuade you to do what is best.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:35 am

In post 5396, Awesome wrote:
In post 5380, Pirate Ika wrote:tammy am I crazy for thinking titus looks like panicked scum.

Espy wants her dead.

I kinda felt like she was letting me know that she had no plans to kill me. There's a bit of a cognitive disconnect with the statement that no one would feel threatened by me enough to kill me, and trying to promote the idea of there being 7 scum left.

Misunderstanding. I am saying as long as you townread scum, they won't harm you.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:37 am

@Fin3, stop preaching to those on Blizzard the importance of voting Blizzard...

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:38 am

In post 5398, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:tammy who are you vigging?

i want to ensure you are not vigging me. i think ns or bear are your optimal targets, bear on the low chance blizzard flips town.

Ewwww....

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:42 am

In post 5407, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 5381, Titus wrote:
Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

This is just an excuse. You could easily go by post number, or even insert your own VC numbers and correlate with the post number.

There's some reason you're avoiding doing the VCA. Hmmm, I wonder what will come to light when it's done......

The task you are saying will add fucking hours onto the task. VCA has to be done separately for each fucking faction. Making sense of which vc is which just adds more time.

Throw in work and a social life, each thing is different.

If you think it's easy, why haven't you done it?

My methologies take time. Deal with it.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:45 am

In post 5408, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5400, Pirate Ika wrote:fin

did you really just say this:

uninformed minority going into night

in the titus scenario with 14:3:3:3:3:1 (14/27), a single mislynch d1 puts us at 13:3:3:3:3:1 (13/26) for n1.
the game of mafia revolves around the idea of an uninformed majority.
any game that can change that in one phase and then even have a chance to snowball from there is unacceptable to me and i'm sure to any setup reviewer or listmod.

uninformed minority.

Come back to me post game.

The only possible removable factions as communist and SK. I am pretty sure all scumteams have three members.

You should be wary of how much PM is up your ass.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:45 am

In post 5413, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5405, mastin2 wrote:I SWEAR I AM THE MOD OF THIS GAME AND THERE WILL BE MODDING DUTIES DONE TODAY.

Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
mastin or voidedmafia: can a scum individual kill and use another action on the same night

please answer this as soon as possible.

Agreed.

<<< As I said, I've answered it each time it's been asked. Yes. >>>

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:51 am

And if you are wrong? I just want you to look at the possibility here or explain to me more than the feels. Blizzard was all up pushing me and we agree Blizzard is likely scum. I just liked him though because he was saying all the right things, understandinf me, getting me. I like that feeling very much. I just want you to talk to me. Explain it. I cannot follow a townread that is not explsined.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:53 am

In post 5420, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5412, Titus wrote:
In post 5407, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 5381, Titus wrote:
Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

This is just an excuse. You could easily go by post number, or even insert your own VC numbers and correlate with the post number.

There's some reason you're avoiding doing the VCA. Hmmm, I wonder what will come to light when it's done......

The task you are saying will add fucking hours onto the task. VCA has to be done separately for each fucking faction. Making sense of which vc is which just adds more time.

Throw in work and a social life, each thing is different.

If you think it's easy, why haven't you done it?

My methologies take time. Deal with it.

you seem to have no problem with your shitposting and wifom spreading. cos you are investing a lot of time in that.

And we're back to insulting me because you disagree. I told you to ask ika about witchhunt and you clearly have not so...

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:57 am

In post 5423, Awesome wrote:
In post 4264, Wisdom wrote:hippies confirmed.

6 total kills confirmed (shot, killed, stabbed. silenced, beaten to a bloody pulp, shredded into fertilizer)

2 dictators, 1 fascist, 1 hippie have died. Dictators are likely done.

Titus/shos/Peregrine, any results?

Dictators are likely done, and I feel like from this statement so are the fascists.

That statement was said by a fascist. Wisdom would want his partner protected. Seriously how is a ninja plys gf fair against doc fruit vendor plus one more.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:00 pm

6 total kills confirmed (shot, killed, stabbed. silenced, beaten to a bloody pulp, shredded into fertilizer

That either confirms communists right there OR flavor is killer dependent.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:06 pm

Where did the mod say scum were in the majority day 3?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:11 pm

Then just vote Blizzard then if you feel no more discussion is useful.

Can you please explain the PI townread and give me shit to review during nightphase?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 5436, BlizZard wrote:I'm so tired of this. Guys, lynch bear. They're scum. We are a sane cop. The remaining scum have every reason to kill us. In fact, some of them probably are pushing for our lynch the strongest. There is no way we will survive the night. It's already dangerous to scum having Titus, theelk, PV and God knows what else around, they really can't afford having another cop alive. With the right investigations and kills, we could win tomorrow.

Then help me prove communists are protecting bear.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:15 pm

Wait...we cannot win tomorrow..too many scum barring many many crosskills.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:25 pm

In post 5440, BlizZard wrote:
In post 5437, Titus wrote:
In post 5436, BlizZard wrote:I'm so tired of this. Guys, lynch bear. They're scum. We are a sane cop. The remaining scum have every reason to kill us. In fact, some of them probably are pushing for our lynch the strongest. There is no way we will survive the night. It's already dangerous to scum having Titus, theelk, PV and God knows what else around, they really can't afford having another cop alive. With the right investigations and kills, we could win tomorrow.

Then help me prove communists are protecting bear.

Can you prove there even are communists?

Who do you think are the scum, Titus? No need to assign teams, you say there 7(?) scum left, who are they?

Pine's communist miller strongly suggests communists.

We count the flavor and there's unassigned flavors that don't go with any existing team.

I am thinking PI (based off ika head), Impossibear, you, Fin3, the elkspeaks, muffin, Guille, and NS as the scum pool.

I am rather confident in Tammy, Ank, myself and PV as town. That leaves just one town slot left.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:32 pm

In post 5446, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:titus
if you really think i'm scum
choose between me and ika to cop tonight.
okay?

That's the plan. If Blizzard flips sane cop, allbets are off as tailor is present.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:34 pm

In post 5447, Pirate Ika wrote:i was at work tyvm titus, how about you stop your massive wifom bs hunt right now.

this isnt wh where suvival kills get annoucned publicly

No but if you have an extra life and are scumwe are boned just the same.

Why are you so upset that I am scumreading you?

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:36 pm

Literally, we agree on everything else but each other. You are hellbent on creating drama, calling my read wifom, and just generally being a pain.

I am trying to work with mollie because we have a common core of townreads.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:43 pm

Well then, let's suppose you are right and my theory that you are SK or kill immune group scum is wrong, scum will want to kill you anyway. Your taking shots isbetter for us anyway. Why is it so important for you to be right? I am just putting out the borders of what is possible.

Each team so far has had a protective role. If an SK exists, they must have protection too.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:55 pm

Occam's razor says Klingon's slip was right all scumteams have three players.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:11 pm

In post 5468, Muffin wrote:
In post 5432, Titus wrote:Where did the mod say scum were in the majority day 3?

We could mod confirm ika as scum and no one would care.

Ika has that info allegedly confirmed supporting the amount of scum I say exist but he wants me to sound looney tunes.

Seriously, just hammer Blizzard. We have to deal w ika tomorrow.

Titus · Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:12 pm

I am out. Hanging out w ppl irl. Don't do anything stupid while I am gone.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:32 am

So that means Awesome was roleblocked n1 and lied about it? I cannot see scum no killind deliberately.

That also raises the question who did ProHawk jail?

Are you townreading ika Blizzard?

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:41 am

Blizzard, you are town sane cop. Scum that framed you would know that and weakly push for an impossibear lynch but never want it to go through or just entirely stay off the wagon although logical odds said you were scum. They would want the towncred of saying it is a bad idea while not stopping the lynch.

Based on that, I would say Fin3 is not on the scumteam with the framer as he never considered lynching impossibear....but that fact is useless until the framer flips for vca.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:44 am

In post 5524, Titus wrote:So that means Awesome was roleblocked n1 and lied about it? I cannot see scum no killind deliberately.

That also raises the question who did ProHawk jail?

Are you townreading ika Blizzard?

That would explain why Awesome never considered jailkept.

And it gives more evidence to all scums have three people.

It is just too neat. Too convienent. I will have to revisit this after vca.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:46 am

Tammy, it's just too perfect, so I don't buy it. That's the conclusion I came to in the end before vca. I don't really see throwing that out there as indicative of scum Blizzard though since we have 3 days to sort through this nonsense.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:47 am

*** 3 irl days

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:55 am

Why not Tammy? It did not seem like it was going anywhere?

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:08 am

If Blizzard flips sane cop (town or scum), vigging impossibear is a no brainer.

If they flip scum, all bets are off for you on who to vig.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:10 am

Awesome, give me a cop pool please in the case of

Town sane cop
Scum Sane cop
Scum something else

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:11 am

Scum something else is probably check ika tbh

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:13 am

In post 5539, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5536, Awesome wrote:
In post 5534, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5531, Awesome wrote:
In post 5521, Pirate Ika wrote:godamn it zarella I am really sorry.

we will blame shos. actually if you flip sane cop that makes me think scum knew who to tailor cos you wld have been the last person that I wld have viewed.

please forgive me.

I don't understand this.

Also, this is the first post of yours I don't like.

mollie thinks they are still town deep down. objectivly though she know this is the best lynch

if you are going to be like this tammy do us a fucking favor and myslynch us tommorow

Don't jump on me for not liking one post.

No, the part I don't understand is the shos bit.

look i just work up and im fed up with putting foward a shit fuck of effort to have post like these made towards us. while that post was mollie, im here and just fed up witht he damn gamestate and everything.

seriously im in with a call with mollie right now and im ranting out to her about this game and how we both just want titus dead and like 3 other people lynched right now

Why are you hellbent on wanting me dead? Sure we have baggage and you think I am wrong but wanting the town cop dead is not very protown...

Especially when I can investigate you to get your alignment...

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:16 am

Being stupid is not a reason for wanting me dead... that's disagreement and we can never agree on anything.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:28 am

You have no motivation to play because I suspect you? Wtf?

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:35 am

In post 5552, Muffin wrote:
In post 5515, BlizZard wrote:Muffin. Is. Scum. Those arguments do not come from a town perspective. Typical bulshiter scum. Don't let him fool you. Kill it, with ice.

-Snow out.

Oh I'm scum now?

Trying to maintain your scintillating .000 batting average this game or are you just scum reading me because you're backed into a corner?

Blizzard is lynched. We are in twilight.

He still maintains he is town sane cop. He posted a theory on Awesome being a dictator. Your thoughts?

Can we get a prod on PV in night phase?

<<< Sure. >>>

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:45 am

In post 5555, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5492, mastin2 wrote:There. All caught up. Questions answered. (Multiple times, I might add.)
>>

Edit: Poke cancelled.
It's been only one day since he posted. If a poke's requested on a different player, I can send it, though.

^titus

That was yesterday...

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:56 am

In post 5560, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 5549, Titus wrote:You have no motivation to play because I suspect you? Wtf?

he has no motivation to play cos are a dithering fucking idiot and it makes games with you unenjoyable. it wld be 1 thing if you actually attempted to learn and and improve but you don't you just run around telling every1 how wonderful you are and there are a bunch of fucktards who believe it. truly good players don't need to convince other ppl that they are good.

...I am working on improving.

All players have to push their scumreads.

This is just boiling down to disagreeing with me.

The sk theory is ridiculous.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:10 am

I work from possible with the setup to probable. That means I have to look at possibilities you would consider wifom. If you do not like that ika, do not play with me. Although my vca hasn't been wrong yet, it has always contained all of the scumteams in it. That is why I am focusing so hard on figuring out just how many teams are left. Otherwise, I have to do it in 15 different scenarios.

Your flavor analysis is helpful in that regard.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:25 am

Ok well your slot. Still, let's use it and see what is the bare minimum possible.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:31 am

Night kill numbers:

1: 5 kills
2: 3kills plus one ika absorbed.
3: 4 kills.

So round one supposing the least amount of anti-town factions

So in that setup we suppose Tammy is town vig.

We would expect Tammy to be dead or cced if there was another town vig. So we eliminate two vigs.

Guven night 1 that means at least 4 differing not town factions.

We have Hippies, Fascists, and Dictators confirmed. So at least one of communists and sk must be present.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:32 am

In post 5566, Muffin wrote:You ever done a VCA as scum, Titus?

I don't think so. I haven't gotten to late enough to use it as scum for the post part though since I really started using it as town.

Titus · Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:12 am

Ank, there are at least 4 scum left. Who do you think they are and why?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:20 am

VOTE: impossibear

I got a scum result on ika, meaning they are town (or investigate as town).

So we have 3 kills, none stabbed, which suggests impossibear was blocked. We lost the fascist kill most likely.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:22 am

I knew the whole ask any question thing was fake on PV. Just saying...

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:25 am

Impossibear, the only way I see you living here is if you claim scum but not communist, you claim your role truthfully and it leads us to a communist.

@ika, A framer/tailor was not present for my other investigations. If we infer that Blizzard told the truth, as you have, then there is a framer/tailor. A framer/tailor can change your result. I investigated you as wifom hoping you would not be framed, but it's not 100% certain of that.

Also, did you take a nightkill yesterday?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:27 am

Why is muffin green for you?

If you me and ika are town, we have one hippie, one dictator, one SK and three communists (6 anti-town). That means you have too many clears.

Given we have 3 night kills (4 if ika took one), we know at least one of the SK and communists are present. So we are looking between 3 - 6 anti-town left.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:31 am

Pirate ika, you did not answer whether you took at night kill last night.

You could be an investigation immune SK that has some form of death protection. I'm not going to feel good about your slot and the way you've played. It just is not going to happen. If it was Mollie alone, I'd be townreading it. Your assholeryness is not being helpful.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:32 am

In post 5588, Ankamius wrote:Stabbed is missing in the kills, so unless the extra kill flavor is theirs, there's 4 anyway.

I'll continue this conversation later. I literally have to leave a few minutes ago.

Stabbed we know is Tammy. That kill is removed.

We have three kills there. Dictator Hippie and SK I presume. Still if ika took a kill last night, that leaves communists in play. So I'd want him to be clear if he took a bullet last night.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:33 am

If there are communists, this is lylo for anyone not a communist, so I'm harping on this a fair amount.

If the communists are real, we must lynch one. Today.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:40 am

UNVOTE:

Not letting commies quickhammer.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:55 am

Mollie, did you and ika absorb another shot last night? It is important for my analysis.

I have got to get to work.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:01 am

@Fin3, factor in the tailor.

Town by cop is much less likely to be true even if the cop has results in hand saying it is.

I got about 2-3 hours of driving to do.

See you after lunch.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:30 am

In post 5607, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:impossibear and elk are the last scum then?

godfather/ninja/sane cop
doctor/fruit vendor/roleblocker
rolecop/jailkeeper/tracker

i highly highly doubt communists exist, in the same way i doubt sk exists.

The number of kills dictates at least one sk or communist.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:33 am

In post 5606, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:also, who did you kill last night?

My guess is they shot PI. That is why PI will notanswer if they were shot last night. ;(

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:28 am

Dictator and sk need to claim if not in

Ika
ank
me
bear
ns

I think commies are fin3, muffin and the elk.

If none of them claim dic or sk, we lynch thete. Solo scum and sk kill there. Bear block therr.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:29 am

In post 5630, Ankamius wrote:I'm going to make a bigger post in a bit, but I want to make this known now so this doesn't cause any more issues:

Stop speculating about the serial killer. No SK exists in this setup.

I will fully explain shortly, but cease and desist until I do.

So u think commies exist then.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:46 am

Ank, I think you are full of shit and are the sk.

That being said, I do not think you are communist so I am letting it go today. The communists need to die not the sk.

What do you think of PI's bulletproof claim?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:07 am

In post 5639, Ankamius wrote:If there's someone alive who hasn't claimed one of the last two night 1 kills yet, they really really should. That's the primary thing that I'm concerned about.

Otherwise, it's definitely possible that there isn't a communist team in this setup if a source of the outlier kills is the hippies.

There are communists. I am 99.9% sure of that.

Count the kills. Add in ika's cageyness about whether they were shot last night...that means add one to the kill count.

You get

Fascist, dead
Tammy, blocked
SK/Vig, one kill
Bear, One kill
Dictator, one kill
Communist, one kill

We have three bodies plus ika taking a bullet

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:10 am

Bear, you in for my plan?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:21 am

There are three night kills. Who is the second vig? Why did they not claim...

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:22 am

I am starting to suspect ika is a commie...

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:56 am

In post 5661, Pirate Ika wrote:really at this point if we take things for face vault and presume all you guys are town vigs (and i'm thinking so atm) we can just have you guys pick 2 different people to vig and poe form there.

If elk is dictator scum he had his kills being blocked all game by etl/jingle

NS to me is the only outliar for his VT claim

Tius (if town) is just VI

Really you are believing 3 town vigs over a communist faction and you are calling me a village idiot...

2 vigs gave no thought to shooting impossibear...confirmed scum...

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:58 am

Fin3, why did you wait until n4 to shoot Awesome?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:04 pm

When I get home, I am making a list of unresolved facts and taking a look at this.

Every fiber of my being said commies rather than three vigs but I like both vigs.

@ika, all kills that went through have been claimed. Stop spewing bullshit. Ty. For me to be sk under your theory, I would have had to fail each and every night.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:05 pm

In post 5670, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5665, Titus wrote:Fin3, why did you wait until n4 to shoot Awesome?

ankamius killed awesome.
i shot guille last night.

i'm 1/4 for scumkills which is annoying but aa9, dgb, and guille were all scummy as hell so i'm at least glad they haven't been around to be mislynched.

Blah. My question remains...why did you not shoot awesome?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:06 pm

In post 5672, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:mollie/ika, were you shot last night or not

same to you, ank

Ika refuses to answer this.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:16 pm

In post 5687, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:let's direct kills, ank.

we lynch bear today.

you shoot elk.

i test your bp.

if game is not over, lynch one of us.

i think this beats the game.

This is a good plan provided there are no communists. I just really think there is though.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:41 pm

In post 5697, Muffin wrote:
In post 5676, Titus wrote:
In post 5670, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:
In post 5665, Titus wrote:Fin3, why did you wait until n4 to shoot Awesome?

ankamius killed awesome.
i shot guille last night.

i'm 1/4 for scumkills which is annoying but aa9, dgb, and guille were all scummy as hell so i'm at least glad they haven't been around to be mislynched.

Blah. My question remains...why did you not shoot awesome?

Both of us figured Awesome would do it. Neither of us considered a roleblock still in play.

Why not? Elk and celt both claimed rbed. PV claimed RBed yesterday, and was universally townread...

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:54 pm

I am not sure what it will result in. I am just finding things odd and trying to put together the puzzle for myself.

I can buy that rationale if you both are forgetful/unobservant, but that does not seem right.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:55 pm

In post 5699, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:awesome had gone 2 straight nights as a claimed vig not being killed or roleblocked while hitting scum and we took it for granted that n4 would keep that status quo
we just did not consider it

So who did you think would be blocked?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:56 pm

^^^ for Muffin too

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:03 pm

Ugh....

I want to hear from NS and Elk before voting...

The answer isn't great but I suppose no answer would have been.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:56 pm

In post 5711, Muffin wrote:
In post 5603, Impossibear wrote:lynching me will make it so town has a 0% chance at winning

How do you figure? You say there's likely only a single solo scum left. If we lynch you and the claimed vigs shoot town then in the morning it's probably 4 town v 1 scum.

She is working off my communist theory.

A lot, but not all, of my concerns were allievated when Fin3 let Ank shoot Elk. Given no rber would be left, if I am right, a communist will flip. That would make worst case 3 (non-commies) v 2 commies.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:06 pm

In post 5713, Muffin wrote:
In post 5712, Titus wrote:She is working off my communist theory.

I will agree that I was wrong and you were right about 3-player scum teams in light of Blizzard's flip, but there aren't any unclaimed kills, so unless FIN3 is a Communist I don't see how this is possible.

That is precisely my concern. He claims vig but uses the communist checks as his own.

It would also explain why Blizzard had a fake guilty on shos.

The biggest issue is, who would his buddies be? He is shooting Ank, lynching bear, getting Elk shot, I am not his buddy... NS is nearly conftown...

The only team that fits is Fin3/ika/elk or Fin3/muffin/elk or Fin3/ika/muffin (with Fin3 getting towncred for his plan).

Yet, that leaves them vulnerable to my role.

If I wind up dead, the battle goes to Fin3 and Ank.

Of course any ika team means they guessed I would check ika is unlikely.

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:14 pm

How does that chart factor in bp ika?

Titus · Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:16 pm

I am at the point where gut says do not trust Fin3 but logic says to.