Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:26 pm

In post 6, farside22 wrote:So being a libra of unfortunate horoscope meant scum got to pick from the fortunate horoscope.

Meaning scum get a daykill and you're close to confirmed town unless Mainez is also scum?

Sounds good to me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:31 pm

I'm also sort of sad I'm the only Pisces at the moment

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #15 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:51 pm

In post 9, farside22 wrote:
In post 7, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6, farside22 wrote:So being a libra of unfortunate horoscope meant scum got to pick from the fortunate horoscope.

Meaning scum get a daykill and you're close to confirmed town unless Mainez is also scum?

Sounds good to me.

Hi nacho!

I didn't play the last game and I'm too lazy to look.
Any clue if the day kill is public?
That would be awesomesauce

I don't think that it is.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:52 pm

In post 10, Mainez wrote:
In post 7, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6, farside22 wrote:So being a libra of unfortunate horoscope meant scum got to pick from the fortunate horoscope.

Meaning scum get a daykill and you're close to confirmed town unless Mainez is also scum?

Sounds good to me.

hmm interesting... how do you know scum got the daykill? i believe farside's description of his unfortunate horoscope meant he got the "opposite alignment empowered" and it says that the scumteam may choose one fortunate horoscope.

If you could choose one of those fortunate horoscopes as scum, what would you choose?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #20 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:09 pm

In post 17, Mainez wrote:i agree that the daykill is most likely the choice but it's a bit too big of an assumption to assume that scum did choose the daykill.

scum chose the nightkill unless they are really really really dumb

What other alternatives do they have? A one-shot roleblock...?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #21 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:10 pm

If the daykill has to be public, it can still be used as a vengekill while they're going on and it's still obnoxiously more powerful than any of the alternatives.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #24 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:16 pm

In post 22, Mainez wrote:can you explain how it can be used as a vengekill?

"You're at L-1 scum, please claim."

"Fuck the police.

Daykill: Mainez

"

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #25 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:16 pm

scum gets a kill off in exchange for their own life, which isn't a big deal since they were going to die anyways

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #28 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:23 pm

sure ok I can town read that too

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #35 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:44 pm

In post 33, lane0168 wrote:
In post 28, Nachomamma8 wrote:sure ok I can town read that too

In post 29, Marquis wrote:thanks
i try

What is this? What is the town read? Not following

I assume Marquis would be more familiar with the fortunate horoscope mechanics as scum considering there would have been a post in the scum QT by now about choosing one

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #47 (isolation #10) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:30 pm

In post 41, Marquis wrote:
In post 37, lane0168 wrote:@nacho, roger

VOTE: lane
we are absolutely lynching this today

This seems like a pretty weird response.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #48 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:31 pm

Do you not like the name Roger or something?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:34 pm

In post 56, startfromtheheart wrote:Ok on my cellular it says that the unfortunate and fortunate are randomized, so chance of daykill being sent out is like 20% ish.

Far side claimed that she got the opposite alignment empowered bad horoscope, which means scum team chooses what fotunatue horoscope they get, which is going to be a daykill.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #60 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:42 pm

In post 55, Marquis wrote:i mean
are you okay with it??
afaik lane has a penchant for being horribly too-obv as scum so.

I mean it doesn't warm my heart and soul like a can of Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup, but I'm pretty okay with it, yeah.

Am I missing something here?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #62 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:26 pm

In post 61, Ricastle wrote:VOTE: startfromtheheart

I think it's pretty obvious how to start this. We'll do popcorn for dayvigs and see who has one. If nobody does, Far is confscum. If somebody does, it's a scum lynch and Far is conftown. That sound good?

There was some weird rule the last Zodiac where you could post "Daykill: X" in thread and then PM RC privately so it wouldn't count.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #104 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:37 pm

In post 70, Marquis wrote:maybe i'm just old now but i'm not getting why lane would question a townread on me like that when the reasoning was already there, and then when spelled out for him without further meaningful elaboration, simply say "ok"

i mean i don't really get how lane just dropped it at that. there's so much more that could have been asked or discussed had he actually cared about it besides a one-off "talking" point

I can see lane not picking up what I was initially putting down.

Sure, it could have been talked about further if he was looking to see why I was willing to make that call based on shaky logic, but it seemed more like he was seeking clarification and then found it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #105 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:39 pm

In post 82, lane0168 wrote:And it would be stupid. Unless that's exactly why they didn't choose it. Major wifom I know.

No benefit to this.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #106 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:40 pm

In post 89, elusive wrote:It makes sense although I would say it would probably be best for town to choose a specific player (the scummiest or lurkiest bastard) and have players target one players and then wait to see if anything happens, then the next player target that scummy lil monkey, etc.

This would be a very solid plan, but unfortunately, takes far too long.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #107 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 97, lane0168 wrote:@nacho I read in the old dead thread that Sal asked if he could send it via pm, and he couldn't. Maybe that's what you remember?

Maybe?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #114 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 108, lane0168 wrote:Except now I'm beginning to see that there's huge benefit to not picking the daykill. Don't you agree? If they picked it, we're trading scum 1 for 1 today.

If you can be forced to take the shot, maybe not.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #115 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:23 pm

And even then, maybe they did anyways?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #116 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:24 pm

There's also a pretty distinct possibility that we are running around like chickens with our heads cut off and they haven't even picked yet

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #120 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:35 pm

I don't think the chances of farside lying are actually that good. She has a trustworthy face.

I also have the beginnings of a town read on Aronis.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #125 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:38 pm

In post 121, Ricastle wrote:Oh...yeah...right. I didn't realise scum didn't have pre-game chat about this.

I mean, they probably didn't?
I figure they didn't because it seems unlikely that they would be informed of a horoscope before everyone else.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #126 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 123, farside22 wrote:I didn't realize scum had day talk?

How would they choose without it?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #251 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:45 am

marquis if that was a troll it was a pretty solid one
if it wasn't then bad marquis

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #252 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:46 am

I'd really prefer this argument not go on too much longer, elusive's meta case is terrible but doesn't seem particularly scum-motivated.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #256 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:48 am

In post 253, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 251, Nachomamma8 wrote:marquis if that was a troll it was a pretty solid one
if it wasn't then bad marquis

Hi I'm prod dodging, scrub!

Bad startfromtheheart

You don't want to play with me??

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #260 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:51 am

You're saying you're already bored of me???

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #262 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:53 am

In post 258, elusive wrote:The logical thing as town to do is to try to help players with reading you and your reaction was not your usual reaction as town.

Tammy's usual reaction as town is not to be open, honest, and patient when suspected for reasons she believes is bad. If you didn't catch onto this with a meta dive, you need to do some more in depth reading.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #278 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:12 am

In post 263, elusive wrote:I see neither Nacho or Startfromtheheart actually counteract how Tammy is NOT playing to her scum meta so far (lack of reads, focusing on things other than the game, playing the dumb blonde, etc)

Making a mistake about the setup is something that everyone does from time to time. I made a mistake about the setup in this very game. It's not a scumtell.

Not having reads isn't significant to me because she hasn't been around. If she was active and posting and not producing anything then I would be right there beside you, but she's been busy. Not really gonna push someone for being busy.

Focusing on things other than the game? What are you talking about?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #279 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:13 am

In post 277, Aronis wrote:@farside about the daykill thing: I'd have to clarify with the mod about how the daykill would work to make sure town doesn't screw me over by doing this. If I could get it and avoid using it until I wanted it, I would choose it and then save it till LyLo for the insta-win. If not, I'd take the roleblock.

For one lovely moment, I thought you scumslipped really, really hard.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #282 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:15 am

In post 268, elusive wrote:Things I know about: female emotional\psychological responses. And faking it

Ummmmmmm
All women don't act and respond to things the same way, which is what this is implying.
No. Bad.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #295 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:57 am

On an irrelevant note, I'm really digging the animal metaphors.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #359 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:11 pm

elusive is one of the towniest people in the game

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #413 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:15 am

In post 366, startfromtheheart wrote:GROOT do you like my vote

Kind of!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #414 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:17 am

In post 377, Tammy wrote::/

What don't you like about me?

This is a pretty scummy reaction since no OMGUS :O

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #415 (isolation #37) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:20 am

In post 402, lane0168 wrote:So elusive doesn't seem to be this bad with cases in her town games. She actually is pretty good at scumhunting (meaning her cases are legit, not necessarily correct) and doesn't seem so agitated as town. As far as I can see she's not playing her town game at all. Besides posting links. She seems to always do that, but they usually make sense.

Not like linking a newbie and normal game and questioning why tammy didn't setup spec in those

You just did a meta read that was as bad at elusive's meta read for almost entirely the same reasons.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #418 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:35 am

I mean I guess

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #424 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:40 am

In post 419, Tammy wrote:
In post 414, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 377, Tammy wrote::/

What don't you like about me?

This is a pretty scummy reaction since no OMGUS :O

You don't know me!

What do you think of Bert?

Town.
He is my favorite!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #425 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:40 am

In post 422, lane0168 wrote:I'm glad you can see that elusive's meta read is terrible. How does that, or anything else shes done make her the towniest person in few game?

Convictions, reactions, etc.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #426 (isolation #41) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:42 am

Actually #419 felt sort of awkward :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #428 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:45 am

Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but it doesn't actually feel like you're trying to figure me out this game? I would have expected you to pick up on the no voting this entire game which is pretty unusual for key and I don't think anything I've done this game looks particularly town? Why are you letting me get away with it?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #429 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:45 am

I'm sorry!!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #431 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:46 am

Well I guess the elusive interaction was trying to figure me out but then the elusive reaction happened and no response

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #433 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:50 am

I'll take a shower so I stop shitposting too!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #436 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:00 pm

In post 434, Tammy wrote:I think I'm off to a pretty good start here. Why don't you think so?

No I do, I just thought you were approaching me in a weird way but comparing this to westeros makes sense.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #488 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:56 pm

Hi Tammy!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #577 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:45 am

I'll be around soon!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #637 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:57 am

In post 443, lane0168 wrote:Makes her the towniest in the game? That's crazy cause I was thinking convictions to shit cases weren't very townie. Scum trying to push through a crap case more likely. But your explanation could not have possibly been any better

Conviction is town in general because it shows that a person believes in what they're writing. If they believe what they're writing, they are town. I fail to see how elusive's cases are so wrong and misguided that there is no way that they can be coming from town, which is the thing you're trying to argue.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #638 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:02 am

In post 451, Tammy wrote:I was thinking about this while out for a walk and I'm wondering about your expectations from me now. The game started last Tuesday. I know that for the majority of this game so far that you've been busy, so I'm not sure what you expected me to do? And I also don't know why you expected me to look at the elusive interaction before I had a chance to do so when I said that I would today. What am I letting you get away with when you haven't had much of a chance to be around in the first place?

I don't really have specific expectations of what I expect you to do or how I expect you to respond to things. In general, I expect you to prod at me more than other people would, but it makes sense for you to be more lenient on lurking than other people would be.

I had reasonable expectations (why did I expect you to look at the elusive interaction earlier when you said you didn't have time) because I wasn't aware you didn't have time and were getting to them later.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #639 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:05 am

Holy shit we have a day left.

Vote: Metal Sonic

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #641 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:08 am

In post 505, lane0168 wrote:I don't like how much nacho isn't doing, and the things he had done seem to just stir confusion... things nacho has said, after already playing this exact type of game

What do you think my motivation as scum is for doing these things? Do you picture me as a Johnny Chaosseed, spreading seeds of chaos everywhere I go so the town eats itself alive?

Because that picture, while entertaining, also seems dumb as hell.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #643 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:13 am

In post 562, Tammy wrote:
In post 559, Aronis wrote:
In post 541, Tammy wrote:PROD

DODGE

(Whatcha gonna say bout that?)

(That you are using a loophole to avoid following the activity rules and should be modkilled?)

I was expecting Nacho to say something about it, but he didn't even come in here.

VOTE: nachomamma

Why is that scummy of me?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #644 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:18 am

In post 630, Tammy wrote:I am voting him because when he did pop back in to post "Hi Tammy!" He didn't actually answer the question I asked him in Post 451 when it should be really easy for him to answer that.

It should be really easy for me to answer my expectations on how you approach the game and interacting with me even though the way we interact is changing based on Forest Fire and Westeros?

You and I have different thoughts on what an easy question is :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #645 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:21 am

In post 630, Tammy wrote:I'm not concerned that his original questions to me about why I was letting him get away with stuff was him kinda taunting me because if he is scum this game it would be the first time in a couple years at least that I started off with an incorrect town read on him. I mean I've sometimes had no big problems with him at the start when he's scum, but I can't remember the last time I started off with a town read on him when he was scum and haven't been getting after him. Therefore, if he was scum and I was town reading him, I think he would find it funny so he might kinda poke at me a little bit and find it funny that I'm wrong. He would then also want to keep up appearances to show some early paranoia of me just giving him an easy town read because several times when I've been scum and he's been town, I've found easy reasons to call him town, so that would be a perfect avenue for a scum him to go with me to do what I would expect from him.

1) I don't taunt people about incorrect reads on me as scum, post game or during. I could possibly taunt you about an incorrect read post game, but not during because that's dumb.

2) If I was looking to "keep up appearances", I wouldn't fake paranoia on you. You tend to reanalyze my slot whenever I so much as glance your way, so faking paranoia is more a risk and less of a natural move like you're making it out to be.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #646 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:22 am

I'd vote the very small pool of {Mainez, Metal Sonic, Aronis} today. I don't really have scumreads anywhere else.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #650 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:03 am

In post 647, Aronis wrote:Let's lynch Mainez then!

VOTE: Mainez

Why not Metal Sonic?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #652 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:14 am

I didn't ignore it; I just don't think Metal Sonic is town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #661 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:38 am

In post 658, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 650, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 647, Aronis wrote:Let's lynch Mainez then!

VOTE: Mainez

Why not Metal Sonic?

Because lynching town is bad for the game state!

Mmmmm this is probably the least convincing response you could have had.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #664 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:41 am

That's certainly possible.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #666 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:44 am

Vote one of Mainez/Aronis and I'll think about it!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #702 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:34 am

I FORGOT DEADLINE AM SORRY

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #703 (isolation #63) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:34 am

Mainez why are you town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #704 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:35 am

Please respond as quickly as possible so that I don't flashwagon you and make a huge mistake

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #706 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:36 am

But metal sonic is townreading you and you don't seem very surprised

And I know that seems like a dumb reason and it is

But I can make it sound so good you will die very quickly

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #707 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:36 am

Mainez me, me, focus on me

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #711 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:48 am

In post 708, Mainez wrote:
In post 703, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mainez why are you town?

idk how to explain, i'm trying my best to contribute and hunt for scum.
i don't get why nobody finds aronis fishy. and the things i question are apparently ignored or not so good.
it sucks but i'm trying.

Why do you think Aronis is fishy?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #712 (isolation #68) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:50 am

In post 709, Mainez wrote:
In post 706, Nachomamma8 wrote:But metal sonic is townreading you and you don't seem very surprised

And I know that seems like a dumb reason and it is

But I can make it sound so good you will die very quickly

why should i be surprised? i'm happy someone is townreading me.
because i swear this game is really hard for me given the playerlist.

I thought you poked fun at metal sonic's ability to read you in a couple post-marathon chats. maybe I'm wrong on that?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #717 (isolation #69) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:56 am

In post 713, Mainez wrote:
In post 711, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 708, Mainez wrote:
In post 703, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mainez why are you town?

idk how to explain, i'm trying my best to contribute and hunt for scum.
i don't get why nobody finds aronis fishy. and the things i question are apparently ignored or not so good.
it sucks but i'm trying.

Why do you think Aronis is fishy?

i believe i mentioned it in one of my earlier posts.

Paraphrase it, don't look back on your earlier reasoning.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #718 (isolation #70) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:57 am

In post 714, Mainez wrote:but to be honest, i think sonic will generally read me as town at the start cause of my demeanour in real life. as time passes, he will probably be able to tell if i'm town or scum.

this makes sense.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #719 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:59 am

In post 681, Tammy wrote:
In post 645, Nachomamma8 wrote:
2) If I was looking to "keep up appearances", I wouldn't fake paranoia on you. You tend to reanalyze my slot whenever I so much as glance your way, so faking paranoia is more a risk and less of a natural move like you're making it out to be.

How are you ever going to fulfill bucket if you don't fake paranoia on me as scum?

Not through paranoia. Paranoia is like a warning shot.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #721 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:24 am

Aronis had a tendency to be lazy in his drive and a pretty strong opportunist regardless of alignment. I wish I had something more useful to say about him, but I don't :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #722 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:25 am

But that's why he's a wagon that doesn't really inspire confidence or hope: he hasn't done anything particularly out of character so people kind of want to lynch him but they're used to the town flip afterwards.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #723 (isolation #74) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:26 am

In post 697, Tammy wrote:Eeeeeeeeengh

Don't touch Bert.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #724 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:27 am

He is my favorite.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #725 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:27 am

Sorry for disappearing Mainez are you still here? :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #727 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:17 am

Marquis is site flaking. I'd rather see a replacement there.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #730 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:21 am

Aronis is a crapshoot. Let's vote massive.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #731 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:22 am

Vote: massive

I need sleep :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #732 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:25 am

Please ? My consciousness is slipping away

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #757 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:47 pm

In post 743, Tammy wrote:
In post 698, Tammy wrote:Nacho! You did some meta diving of aronis in signs and void. How does that play into your kynch pool of him here?

Nacho?

In post 721, Nachomamma8 wrote:I wish I had something more useful to say about him, but I don't :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #758 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Vote: St Constantine

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #773 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:05 pm

In post 762, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Ugh, the threat to my life is going to force me to actually try playing the game. Right now I am slightly suspicious towards Lane because of some gut stuff. I am concerned about Massive, because that MOFO is an unreadable beast. I am scared half to death of that devil spawn.

On the other hand, I would be cool PL'ing farside22 or ricastle, becus I am afraid some sort of toxic argument will happen that will ruin the game.

Everyone else is town, bcus null reads are the stupidest thing since bottled air.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #775 (isolation #84) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:45 am

Let's vote the alt then!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #776 (isolation #85) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:45 am

That content post was terrible and while it could still come from town maybe it didn't!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #781 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:06 am

In post 777, Mainez wrote:omg SCtH posts are like...

...

i don't even know how to describe them. but it ain't good.

Lets kill him!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #782 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:06 am

Slay the hermit!.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #783 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:07 am

We have 11 hours left. It is time to kill that cat.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #789 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:16 am

In post 786, lane0168 wrote:@nacho, I don't know what scum motivation there is for all you're confusion and not bothering to do a little research before throwing out random things. But it makes me more skeptical than assured of your alignment.

That's dumb.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #790 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:16 am

Let's grab a =======[]

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #793 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:25 am

Slay the hermit now.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #805 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:54 am

Tammy.

Time to hammer!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #810 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:06 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #812 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:08 am

In post 807, Tammy wrote:Anyway, that's not going anywhere today, but baby tomorrow if we're both still alive, I'm thinking the mambo or maybe the cha-cha.

The mambo was old news back in the dirty dancing era! Maybe we could do something a little more modern?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #817 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:13 am

In post 814, Tammy wrote:
In post 812, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 807, Tammy wrote:Anyway, that's not going anywhere today, but baby tomorrow if we're both still alive, I'm thinking the mambo or maybe the cha-cha.

The mambo was old news back in the dirty dancing era! Maybe we could do something a little more modern?

I'm open to suggestions!

If it's not definite that we're all vanilla then why the urge for me to hammer?

Let me go look at marquis again real quick.

I'm not particularly interested in letting the slot claim and pushing somewhere else.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #818 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:14 am

In post 815, Ricastle wrote:Constantine is such a fucking obvious mislynch it isn't even funny. Can we please lynch one of lane or Mainez?

I'm not amendable to either of these lynches.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #822 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:18 am

In post 819, Ricastle wrote:Well that's a grand old shame because Constantine isn't dying today.

Try and convince me otherwise.

you realize we already have all the votes we need right

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #826 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:21 am

In post 823, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 822, Nachomamma8 wrote:you realize we already have all the votes we need right

GROOT realizes people are throwing shade at GROOT, right

People?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #831 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:24 am

In post 829, Aronis wrote:
In post 824, startfromtheheart wrote:
Hermit, claim please.

Don't claim please. You're only at L-2 and this is just scum trying to out as many power roles as possible. Tyvm.

You realize that he's only at L-2 and not L-1 because Bert unvoted and that there was essentially an intent to hammer already on the table?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #835 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:26 am

In post 833, Ricastle wrote:
In post 822, Nachomamma8 wrote:you realize we already have all the votes we need right
See, you don't actually have a case on him. You're just pushing the lynch because it's easy as shit.

Oh look, wagon potential

VOTE: Nacho

You are correct. That's a large reason I'm pushing this wagon.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #836 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:27 am

In post 834, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Guys, I am the easy PL (in EVERY fucking game I play), and this is obv. scum forcing us into mass claims. Like seriously, be a good soldier and use some common sense.

Scum don't actually play that way.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #840 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:30 am

In post 838, Aronis wrote:Then why are you? You're not ika and you're not town.

I'm also not "forcing town into a massclaim" because that's a massively stupid assumption.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #850 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:40 am

It seems exceptionally clear to me that this day is going nowhere fast but getting a lynch today is important regardless. It seems exceptionally clear to me that voting elsewhere or causing a flashwagon elsewhere is not going to be very productive.

I would rather get a lynch, get a flip, and move on; I'm done dealing with this game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #856 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:53 am

In post 855, Tammy wrote:I don't know what to do now.

Nacho knows I won't vote for him unless I feel really sure he's scum, and I am worried about him but not completely convinced he's scum.

I feel reprimanded :/

I don't care if you vote me.
I would just prefer if you voted more quickly than you usually do.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #858 (isolation #105) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:56 am

I'm pushing for the Marquis lynch because Marquis didn't look town, Constance doesn't look town and he also doesn't look like he's going to be very town D2 nor does it look like he's going to become a big player in the game. This makes him a good lynch. I have a lot of town reads elsewhere. I'm only expecting two scum this game, which means we have room to work with. There is absolutely no reason to wait anymore.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #859 (isolation #106) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:57 am

And I don't think we are going to find a better lynch today. I don't think people are invested enough where near deadline is going to be particularly interesting.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #860 (isolation #107) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:58 am

And I don't think it's smart to wait when this town apparently has a penchant for bandwagons that are just bad.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #862 (isolation #108) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:59 am

I can live with that.

Bert, can you please hammer?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #869 (isolation #109) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:12 am

Unvote

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #874 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:21 am

In post 871, lane0168 wrote:Wtf? Why did you 2 unvote?

You didn't have a reaction to those last two posts at all? Why are you townreading Constantine?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #875 (isolation #111) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:22 am

In post 873, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:It was strategic for Nacho. If I die and flip town, then nothing will save nacho from being lynched tommorow, so unvoting now is a good way for him to shake the heat and maybe earn some town points.

If I were scum, you would be a very very very easy mislynch.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #877 (isolation #112) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:23 am

Would I mislynch you today? Maybe not. But I sure as hell wouldn't have to stick my neck out for you or worry about following you to your death.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #878 (isolation #113) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:23 am

In post 876, Ricastle wrote:Nacho's unvote contradicts his previous stance on just getting a lynch done and is purely survivalist. Tammy, please vote him.

Survivalist? Are you even reading what you're writing?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #880 (isolation #114) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:25 am

In post 879, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:@Nacho My point exactly. You drove harder than anyone else to lynch me, and now by your own admittance I am a very very very easy mislynch.

@Tammy - I luv u so much

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #884 (isolation #115) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:29 am

In post 881, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
You didn't have a reaction to those last two posts at all? Why are you townreading Constantine?

Seriously? It was a reaction test? If you are town, I really can't understand your plays.

For clarity, I was referring to the two posts you made that prompted Tammy and I to unvote.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #885 (isolation #116) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:30 am

In post 882, lane0168 wrote:You went from not caring about who we lynch and conStanton is the best lynch to no voting. That's messed up

I've never not cared who we lynched. I pointed out that now is a time to be more pragmatic than usual, but I've never not cared who we lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #887 (isolation #117) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:32 am

I pressured Tammy specifically because times close to deadline are times when you vote quick and think less because it allows you to get a wider range of very productive reactions. I framed it the way I did because "no vote him now so he can react" has a poorer ring to it. I wouldn't have minded if he was lynched before he reacted because I thought he was a good bet for scum, but I wasn't expecting him to be lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #890 (isolation #118) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:36 am

In post 886, Ricastle wrote:
In post 878, Nachomamma8 wrote:Survivalist? Are you even reading what you're writing?
Do you think it's reasonable for you to be able to live past D2 with all this pressure on you and a Constantine townflip? Precisely. Backing up on the wagon is the most survivalistic thing you could be doing at this point.

Yes. You are voting me for not providing a case on Constantine when you have provided a grand total of one case this game. Aronis is voting me for fun. Lane is voting me because I thought there was a way scum could feasibly take daykill after an unfortunate horoscope from town. Constantine is voting me for survival purposes except now he believes I'm scum because I'll die if I mislynch him.

The wagon on me sucks. It won't last long when day comes and people are calm. You may be able to lynch me now, sure. But it's not because I've been playing scummily and its not because your suspicion is anything more than utter shit. It's because it's deadline and Constantine looks town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #892 (isolation #119) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:39 am

In post 888, lane0168 wrote:Wouldn't town try to push for a scum read? Wouldnt that be the smart play?

I'm reading the game trying to get a scumread.
I didn't have a magical backup scumread in case Constantine was town.

In post 888, lane0168 wrote:You are scum, you pushed an easy mislynch, and now you're claiming you're town because if you were scum you would've pushed the mislynch? That's exactly what you were doing begging for a hammer!

I am pointing out that the argument that I was under an obligation to unvote was wrong. I could have very easily stepped away from the game was Constantine was at L-1 and Tammy was thinking about hammering and no one could have recently faulted me for it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #894 (isolation #120) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:41 am

In post 889, lane0168 wrote:You weren't expecting him to be lynched. L-2 and you knew 2 people willing to vote for him. Give me a break

Tammy takes a very long time to make decisions. she wasn't going to hammer.

I doubted Bert would instantly hammer but was not sure about that.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #896 (isolation #121) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:43 am

In post 893, Ricastle wrote:No, I'm voting you because you were
vigorously pushing a deadline mislynch
with no case.

I voted Constance because he was my weakest town read. I pushed actively because actively pushing is better than waiting regardless of your read strength.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #897 (isolation #122) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:43 am

In post 895, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Nacho, there are actual justifications for lynching you. Never did you provide one case that I am scum.

In your shoes, I would of done the exact same thing and unvoted, but unfortunately for you there were ppl here who could call you out on it. I'm not buying into it being a reaction test. Not for a second.

I didn't say it was a reaction test.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #901 (isolation #123) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:47 am

In post 887, Nachomamma8 wrote:I wouldn't have minded if he was lynched before he reacted because I thought he was a good bet for scum,

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #902 (isolation #124) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:47 am

In post 900, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:You are going back and forth. You heavily imply that I am a scum read and then proceed to call me a weak town read. You also DID imply your no vote was a reaction test twice, and then you jumped on Lane111 for 'townreading' me.

Where did I say I was townreading you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #903 (isolation #125) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:48 am

You were my strongest call for scum at the time. that doesn't mean my read on you was strong. I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #907 (isolation #126) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 298, KayP wrote:How did Ricastle come to the conclusion that the game is all-vanilla? This seems like inside information to me. I also don't get how he would know mafia didn't have pre-game talk... there's just a lot of info coming out of Ricastle that seems like maybe he assumed everyone knows because it's hard for him to separate himself from what he knows as mafia and what he should know as town.

I don't like this post; it seems like the overly naive "I'm not making any assumptions about the game but this person is making assumptions thus inside information!!" type of push that seem framed as a pseudo-townslip under the guise of pushing a scum case.

335 seems like a pretty genuine defense, though.

In post 583, massive wrote:Is it due to Tammy's reputation on-site compared to mine?

This particular frustration seemed town, as did a majority of his reactions surrounding elusive.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #908 (isolation #127) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 904, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I voted Constance because he was my weakest town read

What was I, a weak town read or a strong scum read?

I am the only town player who is allowed to contradict himself over a dozen times within two pages. You're playing the panicked survivalist now.

Let the witchhunt begin! Cheers!

Weakest town read is a scum read.
Why would I vote a town read if I had scum reads?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #909 (isolation #128) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:57 am

In post 905, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

Uh, yes it does.

Acknowledging that their are benefits to your lynch other than the possibility of seeing you flipped doesn't mean the push is being made for those benefits alone.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #915 (isolation #129) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:09 am

In post 912, Tammy wrote:why get so offended if she was scum when she could use it to argue silly points?

:/
The replace-out seemed pretty solidly null to me. When people are pissed, a scum role PM is not going to make them any less pissed just because they're being given help to their wincondition.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #916 (isolation #130) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:09 am

In post 914, Ricastle wrote:Yeah, Massive, I am pretty certain.

lol, Nacho pseudo-pushing out of nowhere under pressure. Comical.

Pseudo-pushing where?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #917 (isolation #131) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:10 am

Additionally, what is pseudo-pushing supposed to be?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #918 (isolation #132) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:11 am

Oh, I found something that looked vaguely scummy and pointed it out?

It's scummy to scumhunt when people are voting you for terrible reasons, Nacho, stop!!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #919 (isolation #133) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:13 am

Actually, two questions:

1) Doesnt this look like KayP trying to use elusive's abrasiveness and dismissiveness (the two things she didn't like) to her advantage?

In post 335, KayP wrote:VOTE: elusive

I dislike the way you're trying to poke at me and throw poo at me.

1. I post a catch up post in which I illustrate what stuck out to me were my reads on Tammy and farside as town. I also said I found Metal Sonic's vote on Tammy suspicious.
2. I am specifically asked by lane on what I thought about him and elusive. I state that I didn't have much of a read on them and that I didn't remember any of elusive's posts that stuck out to me and that I had skimmed them.
3. elusive votes me, STATING the reason is to try and get a reaction and get me to "provide content".
4. I ask elusive what questions he has and what type of content he'd like from me.
5. elusive asks why I can't read the game and comment on what stands out to me. That is
exactly
what I did in #1.

Elusive's push on me isn't genuine. First off, if you're going to vote someone to pressure them into providing content, why would you
announce
that you're doing that? Second off, elusive isn't actually interested in content from me... he's pretending to be interested. If he was actually interested, then he would have known that I already made a post showing what stood out to me on my catch up had he read my posts... or, if he hadn't read the post, then he would've come back with an actual question/narrower frame of reference for his continued questioning of me. He didn't -- he just launched into a bunch of attacks against me (talking down to me as a newbie and implying I'm hungover) that had nothing to do with the game.

2) The reasons she replaced out were mostly due to elusive being a duck to her after the pronoun mistake. You really think that's alignment indicative?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #920 (isolation #134) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:17 am

I reread elusive to see if maybe I was missing something (it seems like if I was misreading someone somewhere, it would be her), but I'm still ending up with a town read there. I couldn't find any of her scumgames, but her push on Tammy still does have good conviction and the way she talks about her being an easy target because people can make her crash and burn so seemed town, as did the pride she took in her meta reading ability (which additionally explains the conviction in the push on Tammy).

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #922 (isolation #135) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:18 am

Rereading massive now that my reasons for townreading KayP are gone.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #924 (isolation #136) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:19 am

In post 921, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I am sick of this. Nacho is emasculating the game in order to save his hide. I see through the BS, this isn't scum hunting, but survivalism. Like, I am actually glad he is trying to make a case on KayP, but it is really weak and that just proves to me that he isn't concerned with catching scum. The game ends in a couple of hours, pls consolidate on a lynch guys. Right now you can either go after me, or you can go after Nacho, who right now appears to be post spamming in order to cover up his old scum slips.

I'm posting on a phone, which means making walls are more difficult than multiposting. I haven't scumslipped; I responded to your points against me earlier.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #925 (isolation #137) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:20 am

In post 923, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Just stop m8. Anyone looking at this thread has to reread page 35 and decide if they want to lynch nacho or not. That is all we have time to discuss. It is to late to start up another wagon, especially one built on such a weak case.

(I haven't written a case.)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #927 (isolation #138) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:24 am

But, massive still looks town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #930 (isolation #139) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:30 am

In post 929, Ricastle wrote:I would be amazed if anybody still has a townread on Nacho after this.

Pedit: That is a pseudo-push. Analysis that surmounts to "Oh they look scum but also look town" is a complete fucking waste of time and serves purely as a distraction to stall your lynch and drive us into a NL.

You will be amazed how many people have the reading comprehension you are currently lacking.

Analysis like that is my opinion. Sorry if it's a waste of time, it's the observations I have and I'm not sure what to do except for present them so I can talk them out with others.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #931 (isolation #140) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:33 am

Vote: Mainez

I think Mainez and Metal Sonic are the scumteam, hilariously enough.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #932 (isolation #141) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:49 am

In post 17, Mainez wrote:i agree that the daykill is most likely the choice but it's a bit too big of an assumption to assume that scum did choose the daykill.

I think the natural response early game in the "did scum choose the daykill" question was that yes, they chose the daykill. I don't really find the line if thought that Mainez took to be a natural one, especially since she identified that the daykill choice the way we assumed it worked was unequivocally the best choice but still had doubts.

In post 168, Mainez wrote:the second sentence seems to imply that elusive is aware of a certain risk in killing a town player.
firstly, if someone had the daykill, it's either me or scum because i got the fortunate horoscope and scum might have chosen it based on farside's unfortunate horoscope.
so essentially, there is no risk involved for town because scum will wanna kill a town player; obviously there is high risk for scum because that person will be claiming scum should the daykill go through.

This seemed like an oddly semantic thing for Mainez to latch onto. She also tried to warp this into inside knowledge that scum didn't have the nightkill, but that seems like a really bad stretch to me.

In post 313, Mainez wrote:elusive is not pinging my scumdar hard but i'm with tammy on this.

Up to this point, there was a long series of posts where Mainez sort of half-pushed elusive and the culminated in the "you're not looking so town" point. But despite all of the pushes and posts around elusive, Mainez doesn't put a vote down until the vote on Aronis, which came immediately after Aronis said that he didn't want to vote on the elusive wagon alone.

That seems strange to me; Mainez had strong conviction on elusive-scum while the bandwagon was happening but never voted; that looks like Mainez was afraid of actually voting elusive and actively pushing the bandwagon forward until it looked like elusive was the for sure lynch because she didn't want to poke the bear.

Aronis is the much easier vote and suddenly having enough conviction to vote him immediately after the elusive post seems off to me.

It also concerns me that there's so little interaction happening between her and Metal Sonic this game; there's only been the friend town read and nothing more, which looks like defending each other because they can get away with it, especially since they're willing to vote anywhere but each other.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #933 (isolation #142) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:52 am

Actually metal sonic still seems town.

oh well

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:08 am

In post 934, Tammy wrote:I could probably vote mainz. I still don't like Post 149

Vote her then!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:08 am

In post 935, startfromtheheart wrote:GROOT is lightefforting

You're correct.
so why did you leave me when I needed you the most?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:13 am

Hi massive! Your presence is requested!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:18 am

away!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:43 pm

Metal Sonic???

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:44 pm

Why are you voting me?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:45 pm

I stopped pushing you when you asked me to and I pushed the scum read you wanted to push

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 978, elusive wrote:Why do scum talk so much about their personal lives? Does it help assuage the guilt of being scum? Does it make them feel they are more of a person and not a murdering murderer?

#livetweetingreadofScumNacho

Guilt trips people into not voting you.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:46 pm

In post 1011, Metal Sonic wrote:The scum reads has really effective ate

METAL SONIC

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:49 pm

better <3

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:51 pm

In post 1021, elusive wrote:Nacho and Mainez, last words\reads please?

My last reads are pretty splayed out over the thread. Mainez is the only player who I read and don't read town.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:52 pm

lane0168

Marquis

Tammy

elusive

Metal Sonic

startfromtheheart

these slots I would never ever lynch

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:54 pm

If Mainez is scum, Ricastle is probably the partner.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:54 pm

There are 10 minutes. Are you kidding me?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 1037, Metal Sonic wrote:Me elusive Constantine Tammy nacho bert

Yes. 6.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:58 pm

We have 6 minutes. You aren't going to get 5 votes in 6 minutes when Constance refused.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:59 pm

Vote Mainez.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:00 pm

No. That is literally the worst possible lynch.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:01 pm

Vote: Nachomamma8

Sonic, you failed me.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:02 pm

Come kill me again. Constance won't be mislynched if he lives past today. I could be.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:02 pm

2 minutes. Vote me.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:03 pm

Vote: Mainez

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:22 am

I again don't really know where I want to go.

Ricastle, why are you voting me again?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:01 pm

In post 1100, Ricastle wrote:
In post 1098, Nachomamma8 wrote:Ricastle, why are you voting me again?
Same reasons as yesterday. Time to do something town, now! Like, say, voting elusive.

I don't remember your reasons yesterday. I do remember they weren't very good :/

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:02 pm

In post 1103, Aronis wrote:I find discussing who you would've nightkilled to be very sketchy. IF you're town, you have no reason to think about nightkilling anyone, on the other hand if you were scum wanting to use the nightkill to benefit your standing with the town, then you just made the perfect choice in Tammy.

This statement is pretty naive.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:08 pm

I would like far side to be around a lot more; I'm not reading her as town based on play and that makes me uncomfortable but it seems like she simply hasn't had much time lately so :/

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:11 pm

No the fuck you aren't.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:13 pm

Constantine, Lane, elusive all town. I would add aronis to that list if I was feeling generous.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:14 pm

Ricastle reads town to me but I don't think that I've honestly liked a single read from that slot in a very long time. Metal Sonic and Mainez both look decently town.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:16 pm

This leaves something like Massive/Start/farside, which certainly isn't the scumteam (farside is a bad pick in particular, but maybe swap out her for Ricastle), but seems like a damn good start.

Vote: startfromtheheart

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:54 am

In post 1164, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:If he is town though, then we are lynching between Elusive, Ricastle, and Lane666.

No. No.
How many times do I have to tell you no, if you mislynch me for terrible reasons, please don't mislynch other people for terrible reasons?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:03 am

In post 1166, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 1060, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Nachomamma8

Sonic, you failed me.

In post 1063, Nachomamma8 wrote:Come kill me again. Constance won't be mislynched if he lives past today. I could be.

In post 1065, Nachomamma8 wrote:2 minutes. Vote me.

What was up with this? And the lack of self-confidence?

It seems like you're a combination of bored with this game and busy/overloaded/overwhelmed/rushed.
Your patterns for day 1 and day 2 are similar.
(1) coast and not be very open, then (2) show up with a burst when wagon on you starts picking up (in addition, when deadline is right around the corner, in the case of D1)

An example: #1098 start of D2: "I don't know where I want to go." Then, see your last few posts.

The pattern is null...even if Itd is all too familiar from 2013 (Empire's 169, end of d1 wagon scramble. 1547 wicked, end of day showing up).

But the targeted wagons at the end of D1 - it didn't seem like you actually Believed in them (like 169's Dart wagons D1 including one on buddy SSK).

doesn't paint a believable picture - that's pretty much the main selling point

/mobile

I don't remember lurking in NY169. I remember posting a lot and trying to get Sakura mislynched, then I remember posting a lot and being very happy to bus my partner.

Wicked is a game where I was busy at the start, F-16 had a slow start, I started posting near the end of day to bail him out.

You make surface observations to compare my game here with two scum games but don't look at context nor at my actual play. This is the type of thing you push me for when you're scum.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:06 am

In post 1174, Ricastle wrote:
In post 1172, elusive wrote:Why would nacho ask town to vote him at the last moment?
Becaue there were only a couple of minutes left in the day and there was no chance of him getting enough votes to be lynched at that point? Also, there is clear scum motivation in kicking up a distraction and dividing the votes to push us to NL. I don't know what other motivation there could possibly be for fucking around at that stage.

There were 10 minutes left in the day when I self-voted. There were enough people in thread to get me lynched. Saying "oh there wasn't any way Nacho could get lynched" when I was the person who made myself viable.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:07 am

In post 1175, Ricastle wrote:Oh, and look who he was removing pressure from; Mainez...this game is becoming clearer by the minute.

Yes. I attempted to bus my scumpartner pre-deadline and then decided I would force town into no lynch by splitting votes between scumwagons.

I have trouble believing that you actually believe what you're saying.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:14 am

In post 1180, startfromtheheart wrote:I said that was a pattern and referenced old games. Ever since you became primarily phone/tablet poster, you lead last minute wagons, lurk, and often are busy such that you put priorities regardless of alignment above those old games until it's near deadline and/or you're almost dead. That explains the lurking.

I said the pushing on you today is for you not seeming to believe in your wagons, not because of the same old pattern.

I stop believing in wagons strongly when I don't really have scum reads.
Am I supposed to fake it until I make it? Or do you think it's unreasonable for me not to have scum reads?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:15 am

What time would you have voted me specifically?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:34 am

In post 1184, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 1181, Nachomamma8 wrote:Am I supposed to fake it until I make it? Or do you think it's unreasonable for me not to have scum reads?

It's unreasonable especially in a smallish game compared to the larges in the past you can sort things out in and make a big impact in. This is a piece of cake for someone with your skill level. Not as easy as a micro, but much morecmanageable than a large.

Large games have a lot of moving parts and a lot of players; it's practically impossible not to have scum reads in them.
In micros, in minis, if the scum team is playing well, the dynamic changes. Especially when there are only two scum to catch, which is a smaller ratio of scum:town than usual. Check Forest Fire if you really need a game where I didn't have scum reads for long periods of time (despite being active and engaged).

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:36 am

In post 1185, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 1183, Nachomamma8 wrote:What time would you have voted me specifically?

Lynch -2 at one point, I'll quote it later. On a computer There were five on you at that particular moment.

I assume the reason you didn't vote to kill me at that point is because Tammy/I could have found it strange or off and derailed my wagon/moved the wagon off you/pushed you in a not so good place tomorrow.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:40 am

I misremembered the timing. I thought that the wagons were a lot closer than they actually were and additionally didn't remember there were 12 players and not 13, so I very strongly didn't want Constance lynched over me (he is a town read I am 95%+ confident in) because I thought he would actually survive later days, where I was not likely to.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:41 am

In post 1187, Ricastle wrote:Which is dumb because...? What, you're going to vote another random player and push them after saying all players other than Mainez looked town earlier?

Why would I say that all other players looked town and start a wagon on Mainez if Mainez was my scum buddy...?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:50 am

It's like, I don't know how to reframe or rephrase the argument to perfectly emphasize how ridiculous it was.
You're saying I'm protecting my buddy Mainez from pressure.
But I'm the person who put the pressure on Mainez in the first place.
And then you argue that I only put the pressure on Mainez because I said that Mainez was the only player I wasn't town reading.
But I don't have to say that as scum.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:52 am

In post 1194, startfromtheheart wrote:The same reason you just said you were happy to flash wagon SSK in that 169? In other words, not alignment indicative.

This is a mini game where I would have 1 scum partner.
That was a large game where I had 3 very capable scum partners (2?) who were not SSK.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:52 am

I think Ricastle's scum as shit, actually.
I don't think anything Ricastle's been pushing makes any sense at all and I can only allow him passes for genuine tone for so long.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:53 am

In post 1196, startfromtheheart wrote:Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:55 am

It was unnecessary, but also highly beneficial because both ffery and Tammy had scum reads on me during points on D1.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:56 am

Here, it's a gigantic risk for no gain.
And even if I were to do it, why then back down halfway through the bus?
Better yet, why the hell would that be anyone's first thought?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:56 am

I'd throw my chips on Ricastle/Massive, actually.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:03 am

In post 1204, startfromtheheart wrote:Did you back down, or did the wagon just not pick up enough votes in time?

Ricastle is arguing that I backed down.
And my self vote was to split votes on me and Mainez.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:03 am

This is why I'm throwing a fit about his case.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:06 am

No heart.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:25 am

In post 1209, startfromtheheart wrote:Ricastle could be just being loud and disagreeable to stick up for his vote easy and avoid having to do more. But also could easily just be bored regardless of alignment

Or he believes you are scum and doesn't care how good the case is as long as the push itself is strong on the outside

He's not bored. But he believes in every vote like it's the best vote he's ever made and the only vote acceptable in the game, which seems pretty strange (no person alive has an unnatural confidence like that). He also has those beliefs despite not being very engaged, and he has them for really dumb reasons.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:25 am

In post 1210, startfromtheheart wrote:
In post 1198, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1196, startfromtheheart wrote:Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

! Did people actually think that was balanced?

It is balanced. Town doesn't have power and depends on random chance for goodies, scum get the same random chance for goodies.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:27 am

In post 1213, farside22 wrote:
In post 1198, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1196, startfromtheheart wrote:Why do you think it's 2 scum??? 2:10??

Last Zodiac Mafia had 2 scum and 12 players.

I hate this post.
Why I hate it.
Day 1 you misremember lots of things.

And?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:29 am

In post 1214, startfromtheheart wrote:this seems to contradict the "genuine tone" you say he/she has. it's possible to have a genuine tone and then all of the above (unnatural confidence, reasons that make no sense)?

Sure, why not?
Confidence in general seems genuine; it seems like conviction and belief in what you're pushing.
It seems strange to have that confidence and conviction for every vote you make; generally people move from being super confident about things to super confident to not that confident again.

So, the confidence sounds genuine, but logically doesn't seem realistic.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:30 am

In post 1215, farside22 wrote:That's how much kayp post rang town for me.

What KayP post? The replace out one?
Because if that's what you're referring to, then

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Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:32 am

In post 1216, lane0168 wrote:Lol made yourself viable? You voted yourself for a total of 2 minutes.

Stop trying to give yourself credit where credit is not due. You weren't even close to being a martyr

I thought the votes were different.
I think most people did; if we knew no one was anywhere close to a lynch, I'm sure there wouldn't have been the panic and urgency that there was at deadline.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:33 am

In post 1219, lane0168 wrote:And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

Like what specifically?
The theory that Mainez is likely my partner that I was protecting with my self-vote that you're arguing meant absolutely nothing?