NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:41 am

/third

/confirm

/scum

/I mean town

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #38 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:35 am

VOTE: Dragonspawn

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #44 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:56 am

Bella, did you miss the Dragon wagon we have forming?

PEdit - PB, did you miss the dragon wagon we have forming?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #52 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:36 am

Boon, join the Dragon wagon.

I know you want to.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:43 am

Boon, stop.

Dragon looks like a really good wagon. RVS wagons are good, stop slowing it down.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #56 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:52 am

I am not the instigator.

Why is it bad?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #59 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:56 am

You got that right.

Man, I love the smell of RVS wagons at 11:56pm.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #62 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:59 am

I gave a reason?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:07 pm

In post 63, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 62, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I gave a reason?

I don't get it?

In post 64, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Fine whatever.

VOTE: dragon

Why did you change your mind?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 68, Klingoncelt wrote:VOTE: BBT because why not.

Because we have a wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #71 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 69, TheCow wrote:
You not giving a reason is why Aeronaut is iffy about you joining the wagon, when it's apparently a serious vote? I think.

Ah, I see.

Since when is it scummy to join a wagon whilst giving no reasoning and then push that wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #73 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:20 pm

Wagons are good for information and it's a great way to start any game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #75 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:27 pm

No problem!

Now, can we proceed with the Dragon wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #77 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:43 pm

Because you initially took the position of going against the wagon and without much insistence you then joined it.

That's scummy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #79 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:52 pm

I am.

I might lynch you. Haven't decided yet; you haven't made a great start though.

You gonna even attempt to explain your reversal?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #155 (isolation #15) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:09 am

Couple more votes on Dragon wagon are needed.

Oh, and Anna is town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #156 (isolation #16) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:50 am

Gonna give this a thorough read through soon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #158 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:58 am

I'll let you know when I have read properly and I'm caught up.

I have only skimmed so far.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #173 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:05 am

In post 60, Aeronaut wrote:
This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.

So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.

What is scummy about being defensive?

In post 64, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Fine whatever.

VOTE: dragon

This still doesn't look any better on a reread.

In post 80, davesaz wrote:Hmm, looks like pushy BBT. I've seen this personality both as scum and town. I like the questions, so makes me lean town a little.

Interesting. If you have seen me do it as both town and scum, why would you give me a lean town read?

In post 86, dragonspawn wrote:
Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.

I'm sorry, what?

In post 87, Prolapsed Brain wrote:
Nope.

Cool.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

In post 91, RadiantCowbells wrote:But seriously folks, in the process of reading for that I noticed something very interesting.

VOTE: Cow

What was interesting?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #176 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:27 am

In post 102, RadiantCowbells wrote:Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.

I'd rather keep this one for myself.

Good luck pushing that wagon!

In post 106, dragonspawn wrote:So bbt what is your grand argument for me being scum?

I didn't have one.

In post 107, Bellaphant wrote:Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange.

Currently more worried about Rc and her lack of sharing Info.

No opinions on any of that posting/voting Bella? Customary scum read incoming...

You're so worried about RC not sharing info that you're not going to vote for him?

109 - I like this post from Dragon. Not a bad vote either.

111 - I hope you're not going to continue with this. It tells us nothing and looks like a post/structure scum might use to look busy whilst actually contributing nothing.

What is your read on Dragon here? I don't get the LAMIST view at all either.

In post 122, SilverWrath wrote:so being late for one day and a shitload of activity has happened.

Better get to it then!

In post 124, duppin wrote:

In post 81, Annadog40 wrote:The Dragon wagon rhyme! But I'll stick with my RVS vote for now .

In post 83, Annadog40 wrote:I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)

VOTE: dragonspawn

Another weird vote.

What was weird about Anna vote? Also, why is this post not accompanied by a vote for PB?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #179 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:45 am

In post 134, dragonspawn wrote:
So I have to ask you this, why do you feel the need to construct straw men to attack? In fact, why are you attacking in the first place? Your pushing the wagon pretty hard for someone who isn't voting for it.

You're pushing my wagon at the same time as questioning those on the wagon not voting for any of us. Who exactly are you scum reading? Because right now it looks like you are trying to look like you are scum hunting without actually putting your money where your mouth is

This is good.

In post 141, Aeronaut wrote:
Also, this brings up a good point. BBT, do you have reads on any other people right now besides Dragon?

Yes, I do! Dragon is probably town. Oh no, wait, that's still about Dragon. Ummm...can I phone a friend?

In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.

Are you planning on doing anything about those serious votes that you dislike?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #186 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:11 am

In post 157, Keyser Söze wrote:
snip

Thoughts?

I think Dragon is town. I think he is starting to analyze his wagon and the people pushing it. I am liking his recent posting.

In post 160, Shazam wrote:This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.

Why is defensiveness anti-town?

In post 163, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Keyser, I think the issue you address with your latest image is just coincidence. It's not ike he's been lurking hardcore or anything. Choose your battles.

With everything going on in the game; I find this a strange post for you to prioritize responding to. Anything else to add?

In post 172, mykonian wrote:I dislike soze's page 5 as well.

vote soze

What exactly did you dislike?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #190 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:18 am

In post 175, Aeronaut wrote:
This whole post in the context of the last five pages confuses me. Why did you suddenly decide to leave the wagon you've been pushing aimlessly for the whole game?

Oh Aero, sweet sweet Aero. It's not just about the person being wagoned, there is much more information to be gleaned from pushing early wagons.

In post 177, FA_Q2 wrote:
You really want a lynch out the gate here, don't you?

Do you think that's scummy?

In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:But like... You suspect PB for making a 180 on dragon, but you also just made a similar 180. So how is that any different?

Yeah, but, I had reasons. That is a very notable difference.

In post 185, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, advocating ignoring me and hoping for a vig discounts the possibility that I could be scum.

VOTE: Mykonian

I guess that 'tell' you had wasn't great, huh?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #191 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:19 am

We should start getting votes on PB now.

He is vote parking on Dragon like crazy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #197 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:26 am

I thought I responded to Aero's questions...did I not?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:28 am

In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:But like... You suspect PB for making a 180 on dragon, but you also just made a similar 180. So how is that any different?

Yeah, but, I had reasons. That is a very notable difference.

Ta-Da!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #201 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:31 am

Oh, I do have other reads.

They're not very interesting though.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #203 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:33 am

Anna, shush!

Aero should be reading the game, not asking questions to look busy!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #205 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:34 am

I'm town reading you Aero. That was unfair of me, I hope you accept my apology. I couldn't resist.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #207 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:36 am

You don't think I have provided reasons for my reversal of read on Dragon?

Also, a read and a vote onto a wagon are two different things. PB went against the wagon, stating he was ignoring it and I should feel bad for pushing it. Then he joins the wagon I'm pushing and doesn't explain the reversal in his read.

I explained the reversal. PB did not explain his reversal. There is a huge difference in both of our actions.

Can you vote PB now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #211 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:55 am

In post 208, Bellaphant wrote:
BBT is asking good questions, but - @bbt, why comment on PB's vote-park, when other people's votes are sitting there? A joke is a joke, but inserting mis-reppy ideas is p. scummy. His recent posting is better, though.

Because I dislike the way he joined the wagon and also how PB has commented on nothing and hasn't even bothered pushing the wagon he is vote parking on.

What is your read on me Bella?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #215 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:06 am

Hmm, hopefully we can get some consolidation on wagon voting soon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #218 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:11 am

Bella, do you have anyone better to place your vote on that isn't RVS?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #222 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:18 am

It would be great if you could join the PB wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #229 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:34 am

Guys, a quick note, can we not quote whole posts when we're responding to one sentence at the bottom of said post.

Just quote the part you're responding to. Makes the game much easier to read.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #237 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:45 am

In post 234, Shazam wrote:
This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.

Wanna fight?

Being defensive is not scummy, nor is it anti-town. For you to suggest such things is absurd. People interpret posts differently...that's kind of the point of online Mafia. If everyone interpreted posts in the same away there would be no discussion. So no, 'misinterpreting' as you put it is not deceptive and it's not illogical and as stated earlier being defensive is not scummy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #299 (isolation #36) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:27 am

In post 220, Bellaphant wrote:
@bbt, I'd like pb to answer questions put to him, but Mt vote can go there if I'm not happy. It's either that or follow myk right now.

You're thinking about voting Keyser? Why?

Also, was you satisifed with PB's posts? If not, I would appreciate you joining the wagon.

In post 238, Shazam wrote:
Ok, so you're just thick-headed, not scum, good to know. After being rebutted, you're one of those people who goes back to the same logical fallacy and misrepresentation. Dragon's misinterpretations are not just another possible interpretation. They're demonstrably wrong. And his attitude that has caused him to get them wrong is an anti-town one because it results in the problems I described above. Defensiveness is not always scummy, and it's not always anti-town. His particular flavor of defensiveness is the former in my opinion, and definitely the latter.

No, they're not 'demonstrably wrong'. Just because you cannot understand someone else's position that doesn't make them scum; I'm guessing you're not a defensive player.

For some people, when a wagon starts getting pushed on them and they can't understand why they begin to assume (and rightly so) that scum must be involved in some way. When people are pushing and voting for you and not explaining why; why would you not defend yourself? I think Dragon's position was understandable given game circumstances. Add into this that he started scum hunting from his wagon and I think his posting has significantly improved and therefore I have to ask myself; why are people still hanging around that Dragon wagon?

In post 242, Garmr wrote:I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb

Can you quote where Dragon is acting dumb because I don't see it?

In post 248, Prolapsed Brain wrote:
I comment on what catches my eye. Nothing to add at this point.

Really? So you're perfectly happy with the Dragon wagon and the reasons that people are using to be on it?

Further, can you just clarify exactly

why

you're on that wagon again please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #308 (isolation #37) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:05 am

In post 250, Prolapsed Brain wrote:UNVOTE:

Oh my, the timing of this unvote.

Seriously, why aren't we lynching this guy?

In post 255, Klingoncelt wrote:
BBT looks Town for now.

Can you explain this? Hoping for something substantial from your slot soon...

In post 269, Aeronaut wrote:
I don't really know why I should vote PB besides that thing he did which you also did.

Hmm, read my 207 and point out the specific problems you have with what I have said. I don't understand how you're not seeing the difference Aero...

276 - As Aero pointed out, this reads list is flimsy at best. I don't get your reasoning for any of your town reads Dragon.

In post 283, mykonian wrote:
duppin or soze. Take your pick!

Wow, such bad choices. I was more thinking along the lines of PB or maybe Cow?

Can you explain Keyser scum read please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #309 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:08 am

In post 300, Prolapsed Brain wrote:I'm not on any wagon. Why are you not paying attention?

I was clearly catching up. Why are you asking bad questions to make yourself look busy?

Do you have any reads you would like to share?

In post 301, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Davesaz

"seems rather scummy" is one of the most scummy excuses I have ever seen to jump on a wagon.

Bad votes are bad. This is the best you have at this point of the game?

In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:
In terms of Soze, his Iso confuses me. Some of it seems really genuine and town-minded, some of it is just...noisy and the discussion with myk doesn't fill me with town-vibes It might be a style thing.

Yeah, I agree with this. But his town posts are good enough that I'm not remotely interested in pursuing him Today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #310 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:08 am

In post 290, TheCow wrote:Getting on a computer in an hour or so. I'll make a #quality post in that time. I apologize for my quiteness up to this point.

Still waiting for this quality post...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #312 (isolation #40) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:12 am

Sure, can you give me your thoughts on the Dragon wagon and PB.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #314 (isolation #41) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:27 am

In post 313, Garmr wrote:
Well I'm to lazy to quote it but the whole rvs scenario when he thought my vote was serious and over reacted. When people were playing him off as lacking the ability to read post efficiently he then acts if rc was being serious lol I know dragon spawn is more perspective than that

You don't understand how Dragon might have thought we were voting him for his defensive comments?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #316 (isolation #42) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:35 am

OK, that's one read and that is arguably an unreliable reason to read someone. You should focus on content, not how often they post.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #319 (isolation #43) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:46 am

Can you vote Prolapsed then?

I would like to get this wagon rolling. We're at page 13 already.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #342 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:59 am

Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #354 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:03 pm

Kling, can you state your reads please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #356 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:08 pm

I'm sorry, I have no idea what that list is supposed to tell me or why you're reading anyone a certain way.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #358 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:16 pm

Cool, can I get your reasons for being suspicious of all those people?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #367 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:20 am

In post 342, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #370 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:26 am

May I ask why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #382 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:32 am

It's not just the not explaining his vote.

He went against the Dragon wagon and then joined the wagon. He never explained his reasoning for joining the wagon; when questioning about joining the wagon he unvotes.

Other than this, he has done nothing noteworthy in the game.

That is more than enough reason to vote someone.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #384 (isolation #51) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:18 am

Keyser, do you think it would look scummy for PB to suddenly start doing ~things~ once people started to vote him?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #390 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:44 am

He is clearly paying attention to the thread.

Don't let his lack of posting fool you.

I prefer to read people based on what they contribute to the game.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #392 (isolation #53) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:47 am

Cool.

We have too many people not voting as well, hoping that changes soon.

Anna, join the PB wagon please.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #394 (isolation #54) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:32 am

Hey FA, forgot you was playing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #396 (isolation #55) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:34 am

Understandable, you should know you joined a great wagon and it's a good start.

Stating some reads would go a long way as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #417 (isolation #56) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:16 pm

Hopefully we can get an intent to hammer stated in the next page or so.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #418 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:17 pm

Anyone who isn't voting by page 17 - you should feel bad about yourself.

Make use of your vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #420 (isolation #58) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:25 pm

That is more than 'pretty weak reasoning'.

Having said that; maybe if you join the PB wagon and we push him you will be able to develop a read?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #422 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:31 pm

That would be L-1.

Can someone state intent to hammer please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #425 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:40 pm

Boon, do not hammer the PB wagon without stating intent otherwise I will lynch you tomorrow.

Thanks

PEdit - Keyser, what are you doing? L-1 is the perfect place to have someone when you're looking for a response.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #429 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:47 pm

People do not 'escape my wrath' when they derp hammer. I can assure you of that.

Now, can we get this PB wagon back together please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #430 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:48 pm

Keyser put PB to L-1 and you can make one of your posts stating he is L-1 with big font and accompanied by some sort of GIF.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #433 (isolation #63) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:00 pm

I thought it was about to but I feel OK again now.

You want to join yet Aero?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #438 (isolation #64) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:03 pm

That's a shame.

You're gonna look really bad for avoiding the wagon with no good reason when PB flips scum though.

PEdit - PB isn't at L-1 and Boon won't hammer.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #442 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:40 pm

Can you clarify why you feel Kling is scummier than Dragon?

Has your read on Dragon changed?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #449 (isolation #66) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:38 am

In post 444, pisskop wrote:
A lynch on Prolapsed Brain has been reached. You may talk until I shut up the thread

I thought he only got to L-1???

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #451 (isolation #67) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:50 am

I still don't see where he got hammered...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #454 (isolation #68) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:53 am

I'm pretty sure we didn't get all the votes.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #457 (isolation #69) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:00 am

In post 400, pisskop wrote:
Votecount 1.09

Prolapsed Brain
- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, FA_Q2[/color]

PB needs 3 more votes to be lynched.

In post 407, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: PB

2 more.

In post 421, Klingoncelt wrote:
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

1 more.

In post 424, Keyser Söze wrote:
UNVOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Back to 2 more.

In post 428, Klingoncelt wrote:
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain.

Kling left and re-joined wagon - still 1 more vote needed.

In post 444, pisskop wrote:
A lynch on Prolapsed Brain has been reached. You may talk until I shut up the thread

I'm pretty sure this is a mod mistake. PB is at L-1.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #458 (isolation #70) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:04 am

Or L-2... I think it's L-2.

Either way, outside of PRs (which would be classified as bastard, no?), PB was not lynched.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #460 (isolation #71) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:10 am

It was in normal queue so it can't be bastard.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #464 (isolation #72) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:20 am

Dragon no point unvoting. It changes nothing.

You should rejoin wagon to make sure wagon is maintained in the case of Mod error.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #470 (isolation #73) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:22 am

Wow.

Is that common for a large to have 3 NKs?

VOTE: duppin

Sheeping Mykonian.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #476 (isolation #74) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:52 am

Yeah, I'm sure everyone forgot I was pushing that wagon Keyser; thanks for bringing that up. Very pro-town of you.

VOTE: Bulba

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #478 (isolation #75) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:55 am

Yeah Dave, speaking of people who didn't contribute much...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #481 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:58 am

Whichever one is scummiest, I wanted him to do that.

What is the point of that question? You're very fence-sitty this game Keyser.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #482 (isolation #77) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:58 am

VOTE: Keyser

Sheeping Mykonian.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #485 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:03 am

It was half-joke (after voting dupping) and half serious (I think Mykonian makes the most sense as a kill coming from scum) and I like to keep things simple and assume that people are killed because they have good reads. The Anna and Kling kills completely baffle me though.

Keyser's recent posting was pretty terrible and I'm not feeling the conviction in his posts.

PEdit - The vote came before FA, Bulba and Kling. We couldn't see it though, it wasn't included in the VC until a lynch was achieved (which was bullshit)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #487 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:06 am

In post 400, pisskop wrote:
Votecount 1.09

Prolapsed Brain
- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, FA_Q2

In post 466, pisskop wrote:
Votecount 1.LYNCH

Prolapsed Brain
- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt -
!!LYNCH!!

You see? In 400 the vote should have been shown before FA, but it wasn't.

I think it's very likely this is a scum PR and is a hidden second vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #493 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:24 am

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #494 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:26 am

In post 488, Keyser Söze wrote:
You have been very jumpy so far. I have full conviction in my reads, posts and votes so far.

What is the point of the first comment? Do you think it's alignment indicative? If so, how?

I disagree with your second sentence.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #498 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:36 am

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #502 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 am

OK, well, I did.

Like I said, I could see scum shooting Anna looking for the other scum team thinking she was scum. IMO, she was fairly obviously town though.

PEdit - Because sometimes teams don't know if it's multi-ball or not. The 'traditional' Mafia faction may not consider another scum team but the 'werewolf' faction would know it was multi-ball the second they got their role PM.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #503 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 am

That's a nice summary of everything myself and Dragon have been speaking about Keyser.

Well done.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #507 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:50 am

I didn't have a read on Kling, tbh I wasn't really paying any attention to him. There were too many people lurking to keep up with.

@Keyser - If you think it's alignment indicative, you should probably do something about that. I believe you're scum, yes.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #509 (isolation #86) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:54 am

Just to clarify; your biggest scum read and reasoning to date is somebody shifting votes. Correct?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #512 (isolation #87) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:21 am

FA wouldn't be a bad shout either actually.

Another one who got through D1 doing nothing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #513 (isolation #88) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:21 am

Is there a reason you quoted people's votes btw?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #516 (isolation #89) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:36 am

Because on the surface it looks pro-town (he has a lot of posts like this) but in reality it does nothing as anyone with a pair of eyes can go and look at the votes on the PB wagon and how they got there.

Keyser is trying hard to play the role of 'Helpful Townie' and I'm not buying it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #521 (isolation #90) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:47 am

Oh my.

People don't like me attacking Keyser huh? That's interesting.

Did Mykonian provide my reasoning for voting Keyser or did I do it? Because if I did, your reason for voting me is no longer valid.

I'm beginning to see why I was left alive though. This is good stuff, let's get it on.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #525 (isolation #91) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:38 am

RC could be scum as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #628 (isolation #92) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:06 am

Prodge.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #735 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:43 pm

Another important comment for you to add;

BBT gives 0 fucks about this game.

Discuss.

UNVOTE:

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #738 (isolation #94) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:17 pm

I don't want to.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #740 (isolation #95) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:27 pm

I appreciate it but unfortunately I won't be lynched Today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #741 (isolation #96) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:30 pm

Should I claim now?

I noticed a lot of people are suspicious of me/voting me and I have no idea how many have actually done it.

Today is an important Day. After my flip people should remember who targeted me and why they did it. I guarantee scum are taking advantage of the situation; the amount of scum reads on me fro nowhere is quite telling.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #743 (isolation #97) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:37 pm

Nah, I can't be assed with this game. I'm not enjoying it at all so I'd much rather focus on other games that I am enjoying.

I can tell you there is at least two scum (probably three) in Dom/FA/Kop/Cow/Duppin.

VOTE: Dom

I'll come back to this game in around 47 hours time.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #744 (isolation #98) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:55 am

Might actually try and read this today.

Haven't read the game properly since page 13 or something like that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #746 (isolation #99) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:02 am

Aero, given you now know what you know; why are you still voting me?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #752 (isolation #100) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:19 am

Apologies Aero, I assumed you were voting me given you're pushing me. Why had you not voted for me?

Dom, I know you see me as a threat.

The fact you have started this game looking to lynch me is quite telling. There are more things but I'll get to it when I start reading properly.

Keyser - it could be two. Do you see where I said two? You do? Good.

PEdit - Another pro-town post from Captain Obvious.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #754 (isolation #101) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:40 am

You're confused?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #756 (isolation #102) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:12 am

I might do. I'll see when I'm caught up. I've read pages 13 and 14, I'm doing good.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #758 (isolation #103) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:12 am

In post 362, Keyser Söze wrote:
I liked the TheCow's logical break-down of the dragonspawn wagon (post 85).

And later:

In post 318, TheCow wrote:Dragon's wagon makes sense. A trade of RVS votes, a "omgus" statement, and two more votes are put on. This is all still RVS. Dragon says he'll take note of this, and the wagon-ers become serious, while others start making non-RVS votes on Dragon. This all makes sense and seems reasonable to me.

I liked TheCow questioning BlueBloodedToffee's motivations for pushing dragonspawn's wagon (post 72).

Oh really? Because in 117 it seems you were suspicious of Cow's actions around the Dragon wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #760 (isolation #104) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:43 am

There is a very clear contradiction.

In the post I quoted you state that you liked Cow's early posting; you then quoted both post 85 and 72. Now, my maths might not be amazing but I'm pretty sure both of those numbers come before 117.

If my maths is correct, that means that Cow had posted two posts that you liked speaking about the Dragon wagon. However, in post 117 (which comes after Cow has posted these two posts) you state that you're suspicious of Cow because of her posts around the Dragon wagon.

Not only that but you flat out quote 72, the post you later claim you liked, highlight it in red and say it makes you suspicious.

That is 100% a contradiction. Your post followed on from Mykonian stating that Cow was town. As I keep saying, everything you do is designed to 'look' town. You posted that read to appease Mykonian and it doesn't cause any waves.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #761 (isolation #105) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:50 am

In post 117, Keyser Söze wrote:
Comments made about the wagon

In post 72, TheCow wrote:I mean,
why are you pushing the wagon
? I'm curious, because I don't quite understand that.

FINGER OF SUSPICION

In post 362, Keyser Söze wrote:
I liked TheCow questioning BlueBloodedToffee's motivations for pushing dragonspawn's wagon (post 72).

Visual contradiction for all to see.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #762 (isolation #106) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:53 am

In post 405, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: keyserI am here.
Btw this is serious. Something seems off.

Making note of this; want to see if he expands on it.

In post 407, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: PB
Also iffy. He needs to get to l y n c h minus one.

Wording is interesting here. Why does PB need to get to L-1? Because he knows PB will get hammered? Why would you say L-1 and not 'needs pressure' or 'needs more votes' or 'needs to be lynched'. Stating L-1 very specifically is pinging.

In post 424, Keyser Söze wrote:
UNVOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Can we let him respond before putting him at L-1.

Another move designed to look pro-town from Keyser. If he knew of the secret vote, he knew his unvote made no difference. The only purpose it serves is to make Keyser look town.

Like, why sit on a wagon if you're not happy for it to get to L-1? Is there such a big difference between L-2 and L-1 that it warranted an unvote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #765 (isolation #107) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:09 am

In post 450, Keyser Söze wrote:I told you we needed to wait for Prolapsed Brain's response.

We didn't even get a role-claim

Trying to look town. This post literally serves no other purpose; look at it.

Why is it there

?

In post 474, Keyser Söze wrote:
@BlueBloodedToffee, you either knew about the scum PR which enabled the early hammer, or scum are setting you up for the miss-lynch. Your incessant push for Prolapsed Brain to be put near L-1 needs to be flagged.

So what you're saying is I could be town or I could be scum? Nice analysis! Further, why is the person pushing the wagon scummier than the people who joined it?

In post 486, Keyser Söze wrote:
I think a 'town double voter' would have unvoted - why risk the early hammer, without hearing Prolapsed Brain's roleclaim? It is fortunate he was only a citizen.
My unvote was worthless in the end.

That's right. Just slip it in at the end of a post; just in case anyone forgot.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #766 (isolation #108) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:11 am

Keyser can be summed up very nicely - LAMIST. Look at me, I'm so town. Everything he does is designed to LOOK town and show everyone how townie he is.

Keyser, you should address the contradiction. I don't care about anything else.

As for your latest post; nobody stated intent to hammer. You can call it a lurker-wagon all you want - you joined it.
,

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #768 (isolation #109) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:19 am

So, about that contradiction?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #770 (isolation #110) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:24 am

In post 768, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, about that contradiction?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #772 (isolation #111) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:27 am

That doesn't answer for the contradiction whatsoever.

VOTE: Keyser

My vote won't be moving.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #776 (isolation #112) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:15 am

In post 515, Garmr wrote:Like after day 1 I was going to vote aero at the start of the day but changed my mind after anaylising the night actions..

Why was you planning on voting Aero? What about the night actions made you change your mind?

In post 520, FA_Q2 wrote:
Pushing so hard for PB to L-1 looks VERY suspicious now that there is a hidden vote in play. Not thinking for yourself and sheeping a dead players votes looks scummy as well. Then pushing key because he is posting relevant information (while ignoring the analysis he has been posting thus far) is also scummy as hell.

OK, same question for you as Keyser (which he dodged) - why is the pusher of the wagon scummier than the people who joined it? Also, your assertion that I'm scum because of the hidden vote is only valid on the basis that, well, I'm scum and knew about the vote. So I'm already scum before you have done any 'analysis'.

Why is sheeping dead players scummy? Why is sheeping dead players scummier than the amount of people who sheeped me onto the PB wagon (you were one of those people)? Again, did Mykonian provide my reasons for why Keyser is scum or did I provide them? Because if I provided them (and I did) then this point is no longer valid.

Why is pushing Keyser scummy? If you disagree with my reasoning, that's fine, but pushing someone who you're town reading does not make me scum.

In post 522, Shazam wrote:Guys, if you think this extra vote is a scum PR, then surely you think it's too powerful to be unlimited uses. And if it has limited uses, why would they use it D1? The only good answer I can think of is that they wanted to make sure that one of their own did not get lynched.
VOTE: dragonspawn
This makes sense anyway. Given the pushing of the counterwagon to dragon's by so many people, it's likely scum joined in on that. BBT would be a strong possibility for a dragon partner, but I'm more confident in dragon being scum.

Bad reasoning. Dragon was in no danger of being lynched and if you think it has limited uses then D1 is surely a complete waste of the ability?

In post 524, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Dragonspawn

I like this.

Your voting has been truly awful this game. I'm not even joking. Why aren't you scum hunting?

In post 527, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'll gladly vote BBT.

I've noted his habit of voting people who try to push his partners in his scum games in the past.

plus his massive chainsawing of all DS voters.

Please, meta me more. PLEASE!

Secondly, can you quote my chainsawing please?

In post 544, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: dragon

Bulba, where did your suspicion of Keyser go? You seemed pretty set on it in your first post. Also, why are you voting Dragon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #777 (isolation #113) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:15 am

LOOK AT THE SCUM ON MY WAGON!

LOOK AT THEM!

FILTHY. ABSOLUTELY FILTHY.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #778 (isolation #114) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:16 am

100% there are already two scum on my wagon.

I'd bet my life on it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #779 (isolation #115) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:23 am

In post 520, FA_Q2 wrote:
The extra kill only intensifies this.

Almost forgot this. Only one extra kill huh, FA?

We're in multi-ball ladies and gentleman. FA was clearly expecting two kills; not three.

VOTE: FA

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #780 (isolation #116) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:23 am

I think we're looking at a 15:3:3 set-up.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #784 (isolation #117) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:35 am

In post 562, Keyser Söze wrote:UNVOTE: Bulbazoor

I don't get it.

In post 575, Garmr wrote:VOTE: dragonspawn

ok rc

Another bad vote from Garmr. Dragon's posting on p23 is pretty fucking town.

In post 598, Bulbazoor wrote:I am leaning scum on aeronaut.

Why?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #786 (isolation #118) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:59 am

In post 620, Keyser Söze wrote:

Finger of suspicion: BlueBloodedToffee

Reasons:
- very quick to push mykonian's two scum-reads (duppin, Keyser Söze) coming into D2, without adding arguments of his own
- pushing Prolapsed Brain's wagon to L-1 (did he scum-read Prolapsed Brain? Did he want a roleclaim or defence from Prolapsed Brain, or did he just want PB at L-1?)
- I read his sarcastic/undermining/negative reactions to my posts not only anti-town, but scummy.
- BlueBloodedToffee's response to players putting focus on him is to scum-read them (Keyser Söze/Radiant Cowbells) very defensive play.
- no attempt to read my posts as coming from a townie, only scum 'trying hard to play the role of Helpful Townie'.

I want to make sure I am not mistaking BlueBloodedToffee's bad attitude on D2 as scum-aligned behaviour.

1) I have very much added my own thoughts on why I thought you were scum. There is nothing scummy about sheeping a confirmed town who scum felt was enough of a threat that they had to kill him N1.

2) Why is pushing a wagon scummier than the people who joined it?

3) You're reading things that are not alignment indicative as scummy

4) I am defensive, you're right. Why is being defensive scummy?

5) Are you saying I have scum read you all game? Because otherwise, that would mean I have seen your posts as coming from town at some point.

In post 634, TheDominator37 wrote:
VOTE: bbt every game I will RVS you

I know. You seem determined to lynch me for some reason.

In post 635, TheDominator37 wrote:I have played with BBT a couple times when he was town and this is not like him. He normally stops these kind of things

Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure in your first newbie game I ran up a wagon...and it was on you! Can you show me a game where I stop early game wagons please? I'm pretty sure ANYBODY who has played with me before will say this is false.

In post 637, Keyser Söze wrote:@Boonskiies and BlueBloodedToffee - you have mentioned before that your town/scum reads of eachother are usually very accurate.

What are your current reads of eachother?

I didn't even remember Boon was in this game. Null.

In post 646, TheDominator37 wrote:And also you voted up a dragon wagon based on him being defensive. Atop being such a hypocrite.

Can you show me where I voted Dragon for being defensive please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #788 (isolation #119) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:13 am

In post 662, Kop wrote:VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

From what I have seen, don't like his posts.

Need a full catch up, but he is what caught my eye reading through.

You're kidding. You have got to be kidding. Is this guy for real?

That's your only comment? After a whole DP, that's all you bring to the table? Wow.

In post 683, TheDominator37 wrote:I'm pretty confident bbt is mafia. I can provide proof later but it is midnight rn. Do it this morning

Looking forward to this.

In post 697, TheDominator37 wrote:
Ok so after these quotes there is no way you could possibly think that bbt has town intentions. He is insulting people off of not voting on the wagon he supports the most at the moment(1). He has shown no signs of scum hinting at all just randomly pointing his finger and insulting people not voting for him.(2) Here he says he makes reads and them follows up with absolutely nothing. No explainations absolutely nothing (3). Remember the giant push on the RVS wagon on dragon? He says that wagons like that are good for scum reading but he hasn't posted any results from this as well as explaining his 180 turn on his read on dragon (4). All of this combined gives me absolutely no reasons to let him live today. And even if you don't think he is scum he should be a candidate for A policy lynch.(5)

1) I insulted nobody. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. Even if I did, how is that scummy?

2) I insulted nobody (quote me insulting people). Saying I'm not scum hunting is a flat out lie.

3) What is this in reference to?

4) I have explained both my read on Dragon and I scum hunted from his wagon. Tell me Dom, where did my scum read on PB originate from?

5) You're desperate to lynch me. Reeks of scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #791 (isolation #120) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:38 am

In post 700, Bulbazoor wrote:Yeah, that is my case on him too. I would love meta. I have only seen him hosting.

Who is this about Bulba?

In post 710, Shazam wrote:I agree with the cases on BBT, but as people have already discussed, there is a strong connection between him and dragonspawn. Since I find dragon scummier, I'd prefer to lynch him first and work from there. But you can consider me a potential vote for BBT.

What is the connection between myself and Dragon? What parts of the cases on me do you agree with?

In post 712, TheDominator37 wrote:I greatly despise this dragon wagon

You despise it so much that you're doing absolutely nothing about it? Good job.

In post 725, Boonskiies wrote:
true dat.

What are you doing Boon?

In post 736, Keyser Söze wrote:[Valid point - my playstyle is very much try-hard townie. I invest all my energies into scum-hunting, and make sure I post my feelings/thoughts on events - so that people have an optimum of information on me, incase I am killed.]

Out of curiosity; what does your scum game look like?

In post 736, Keyser Söze wrote:[I agree with this - this behaviour is very alarming. BlueBloodedToffee has been confident in pushing wagons (with no reasons) but has repeatedly found it difficult to present his own detailed scum-read cases, instead, resorting to pushing/sheeping scum-reads of dead townies -
I view this as scummy
. His behaviour has demonstrated an anti-town attitude.]

If I was confident to push wagons D1; why would I not continue to do so D2?

In post 737, Keyser Söze wrote:
This is quite a jump from earlier (please explain this shift in read)

I'm very back and forth on you. I've now decided that I'll lynch you if you live past D3.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #792 (isolation #121) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:42 am

I'm caught up.

Willing to lynch; Dom, FA, RC, Garmr and Dave Today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #793 (isolation #122) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:44 am

Forgot Bulba and Kop; will lynch those as well.

Both Dragon's and my own wagon are full of scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #795 (isolation #123) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:50 am

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I meant.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #797 (isolation #124) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:54 am

In post 179, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 134, dragonspawn wrote:
So I have to ask you this, why do you feel the need to construct straw men to attack? In fact, why are you attacking in the first place? Your pushing the wagon pretty hard for someone who isn't voting for it.

You're pushing my wagon at the same time as questioning those on the wagon not voting for any of us. Who exactly are you scum reading? Because right now it looks like you are trying to look like you are scum hunting without actually putting your money where your mouth is

This is good.

In post 186, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
I think Dragon is town. I think he is starting to analyze his wagon and the people pushing it. I am liking his recent posting.

From a VERY QUICK skim of my ISO.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #799 (isolation #125) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:56 am

795 was sarcasm.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #822 (isolation #126) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:52 am

Some people are talking absolute shit in this thread. I mean talking shit of the highest order.

I'll get to this later. I'm pretty convinced FA is scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:30 am

Bulba, why am I town?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #858 (isolation #128) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:35 pm

Hey Titus, you should check my ISO and then look at wagon on me and the reasons people are giving for voting me.

I believe both leading wagons (both myself and Dragon) are on town.

You should also check out FA expecting two kills and being surprised there was three.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #895 (isolation #129) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:35 am

Will get to this later.

Garmr is 100% scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #900 (isolation #130) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:39 am

I don't think I have the energy.

Garmr has already called my role. The fact he is still willing to lynch me should speak volumes to his alignment.

I'm the vig. I killed Kling on last night.

Please lynch me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #908 (isolation #131) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:31 am

I shot Kling because she provided very little. I almost shot Cow for similar reasons. I like to rid the game of people who don't post much/lurk - shooting people who are null is a great way to figure out their alignment. Plus, I figured one of the votes that come after the secret vote came from scum.

Garmr/Dom/FA are scum.

PEdit - My early D2 posts show VERY CLEARLY that I shot Kling.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #910 (isolation #132) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:32 am

Look at Garmr - he has a claim and he is already thinking about starting a new wagon.

Scum fishing for roles.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #913 (isolation #133) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:36 am

I second this ^^^

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #915 (isolation #134) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:53 am

Town motivation for asking that question is?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #919 (isolation #135) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:00 am

Dom/Garmr/FA

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #920 (isolation #136) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:00 am

Probably Bulba too.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #921 (isolation #137) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:01 am

Actually, scrap that. I can't read Bulba for shit.

Those 3 for sure though.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #924 (isolation #138) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:06 am

When everyone sees I'm a bad lynch and we start actually lynching scum - someone better protect me Tonight.

Pedit - I'm gonna need some convincing on that one. Especially as you haven't moved your vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #925 (isolation #139) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:07 am

Mehhhhhhh

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #927 (isolation #140) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:11 am

No because your conviction feels town and you had no need to get off of my wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #928 (isolation #141) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:11 am

VOTE: Dragon

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #929 (isolation #142) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:12 am

If I die, please hang FA tomorrow.

He scum slipped pretty hard.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #931 (isolation #143) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:20 am

You missed where I explained FA slipped?

You should read my ISO. Ctrl+f FA.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #942 (isolation #144) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:41 am

I assumed we were up against a single scum team - I've never played a large before.

FA appeared to expect two kills -not three- letting slip he knows it's multi-ball.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:25 am

VOTE: Dave

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:49 am

Aero, I'm not invested in this game at all.

There are a lot of people I would be willing to lynch.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:20 am

VC please Mod?

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:29 am

I'd lynch Kop.

In a heartbeat.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:31 am

RC, is this what your scum game looks like?

You're seriously lacking in the scum hunting department.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:35 am

No. Fuck meta.

Do something.

VOTE: Kop

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:38 am

Reasoning is a great thing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:41 am

We have a Kop wagon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:05 am

Scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:48 am

VOTE: Dave

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:07 am

Nowhere better to place your vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:14 am

Thoughts on Dave?

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:29 pm

Catching up later today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:38 am

In post 1204, Aeronaut wrote:Titus, Boon, Garmr all seem town.

Why is Titus town?

In post 1250, Ankamius wrote:
VOTE: dragonspawn

Why Dragon over Dave? You didn't like his ISO if I remember correctly? Dave wagon is much more likely to net scum.

In post 1260, FA_Q2 wrote:
Look at his iso (though you need to see the context with it). He does absolutely zero scum hunting and his vote is all over the place. Every time someone drops a vote bulb jumps right on it with a completely naked vote.

Bulb is not looking for scum - he is looking for any lynch he can get - a scummy mo IMHO.

This is a good post.

In post 1262, TheDominator37 wrote:VOTE: bbt

Keep trying Dom. I appreciate the effort - one day you'll lynch me. But not Today.

In post 1264, Garmr wrote:Blue can you shoot dragonspawn tonight please.

I'm shooting Dave/Bulba - whichever of them doesn't get lynched.

In post 1266, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2

I'd rather vote park on scum than do anything else to be honest.

What was wrong with Dave wagon? Why is FA scummier than Dave?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:44 am

In post 1279, FA_Q2 wrote:VOTE: garmr
My vote on obvious scum bbt is not going anywhere now because of this sites inability to lynch anyone that claims a PR.

I dont like dave's wagon considering all my scum reads are there and I scum read garmr so my vote is better served there.

I would like to say you're really bad at this game - but I understand you're playing to your wincon as scum.

In post 1286, Ankamius wrote:Dragonspawn's reaction to pressure was really OMGUSy, but it doesn't look genuine because he dropped it just as easily once he noticed that the pressure dropped off.

OMGUSy is scummy? That's another word for defensive and being defensive is not a scum tell. So, he responded when he was being pressured and then stopped responding when the pressure subsided? How is that scummy...

In post 1319, RadiantCowbells wrote:I could jump over to him if my vote is either required for hammer or to avoid a garmr lynch.

Until then I'm sitting on FA.

You should join the Dave wagon and I'll shoot FA.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:33 am

There is a very good chance I will shoot you - if not Tonight, Tomorrow Night.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:12 am

I agree, Bulba is playing too erratic to be playing as scum.

Back to shooting FA/Dave, whoever isn't lynched.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:15 am

You are scum.

Silly.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:24 am

FA, I'm going to shoot the shit out of you.

Bam, bam motherfucker.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:21 am

Nah, I'm not really shooting you, I like your recent posting.

Also, I almost shot TheCow. Like I said, I changed last minute because of the secret vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:21 am

FA, did you miss the memo that Dom is scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:05 am

In post 1379, FA_Q2 wrote:
Why the sudden change in heart over my posting?

I've found your posting throughout the game somewhat decent - I only wanted to lynch you for what I perceived to be a scum slip. If we're in multi-ball, you may become interesting again. For now though, I don't think it's enough to lynch you on.

In post 1415, Shazam wrote:On the other hand, can we get enough support to lynch anyone else besides Garmr (who I really don't want to lynch)? I certainly don't want to no-lynch.

Much more interested in lynching Dave than Garmr.

In post 1421, Firebringer wrote:Hmmm UNVOTE: davesaz

This wagon isn't that good either.
I am getting town from davesaz most.

While gamr is more active most of his content is well lackluster. I don't think it is really coming from scum though.

I don't really like either of these tbh.
Feels like two wagons on town.

That was a quick turn around. What changed? Why are you reading Dave as town?

In post 1433, Firebringer wrote:I guess gamr is a better wagon, but idk.
Don't really trust it.

I'd flash wagon Fire if anyone is up for it.

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:54 am

What are you doing Boon?

Titus, what do you think about Dave?

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:56 am

How about Dave?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:07 am

Well done Mod!

Thank you RC! (if you protected me)

I didn't shoot last night. I'm an odd-night vig and I will be shooting tonight.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:08 am

Garmr was counter-wagon to Dave - Garmr is town.

People who pushed Garmr/avoided Dave need to be looked at.

VOTE: Fire

This is scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:11 am

In post 1410, Firebringer wrote:
VOTE: davesaz

Null on Gamr

Obvious bussing. Even gives himself a reason to jump off by 'looking into them both more later'. He had already done a 'bit of reading' and decided Dave was a good vote.

In post 1419, Firebringer wrote:
I vote Dave cause gamr wasn't pinging scum to me so went for next best thing

Making his vote look weak so he can easily backtrack from it.

In post 1421, Firebringer wrote:Hmmm UNVOTE: davesaz

This wagon isn't that good either.
I am getting town from davesaz most.

While gamr is more active most of his content is well lackluster. I don't think it is really coming from scum though.

I don't really like either of these tbh.
Feels like two wagons on town.

Now he is getting town from Dave? Where did this come from? Unfortunately, Fire was so generic and vague about his reads that it's hard to criticize them. It does show a very clear lack of read progression though.

In post 1433, Firebringer wrote:I guess gamr is a better wagon, but idk.
Don't really trust it.

Looking to hop on Garmr if presented with the opportunity of just Garmr or Dave.

In post 1456, Firebringer wrote:I don't know who to vote!!!!

Someone give me compelling case in either.
This is frustrating neither appear scummy.

Acting like nobody had provided reasons for either Dave or Garmr being scum.

Can we speed lynch this?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:15 am

Just realized Fire replaced Kop as well.

That's just even better.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:18 am

I'm glad you agree.

I wouldn't argue against you self-voting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:22 am

It is.

I just thought you agreed that you were a good lynch and would like to contribute towards said lynch happening.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:22 am

Did you see the posts I quoted?

Did you see Kop's reasoning for joining my wagon when it was in the ascendancy?

Did you see Kop's overall play?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:24 am

You were just waiting for someone to nudge you in Garmr's direction.

Especially given you said you thought Dave was town...I don't understand why your decision was so difficult...

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:25 am

Like, there are two competing wagons and you're town reading one of the people being wagoned.

It seems obvious where your vote should go...

PEdit - I've given up on that secret vote. It's WIFOM at best. I still stand by the fact that if we're in multi-ball then FA slipped.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:30 am

I hope not.

This should be a real quick DP. I mean, if you're town, you should be looking for your own suspects. Not looking for the rest of town to provide you with one.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:45 am

In post 1511, Aeronaut wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if that were just distancing.

Yeah, that's how I'm reading it as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:45 am

Thoughts on Fire Keyser?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:01 am

Great, I hope you read my post on Fire and decide he would be a great lynch choice for Today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:12 am

The first thing you can do is ISO read Fire and read my posting on him from Today.

That should give you a pretty good idea about what to do with your vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:20 am

Mod, can we get a final VC inserted into D2 flip post please?

Here you go.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:20 am

VOTE: FA

Back to the scum slip post.

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:20 am

I'd lynch Titus as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:13 am

What have I missed here...

Why is Dragon scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:52 am

In post 1617, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What have I missed here...

Why is Dragon scum?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:48 am

Yeah, I'm not getting it at all.

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:15 am

Shazam, why the turn around?

Duppin, you're unsure on Dragon based purely on wagon speed?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:39 am

OK so how does the fact that we're most likely in multi-ball factor into your thought process?

BlueBloodedToffee · Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:27 pm

In post 1652, duppin wrote:That is the point though. I clearly stated I find him scummy, but that I was not too fond of his train.
I don't think his train makes a lot of sense unless scum are on it. That either means his teammates are bussing or that we have multiple scum teams. It is also possible he is town, but I sincerely doubt that is the case.

Your viewpoint doesn't make much sense though? I don't see why his wagon would negate your reasoning for him being scum when you think it's possible he is being both bussed and there could be another scum faction voting him.

In post 1662, Ankamius wrote:My favorite part of the game so far is that the moment the dragonspawn wagon starts getting criticized, Shazam and duppin jumped ship immediately.

This. I noticed the exact same thing.

In post 1670, Aeronaut wrote:BBT why Titus?

Because she hasn't engaged me and that makes me nervous.

In post 1667, Garmr wrote:
Day 1- your over action to people joining your wagon your behavior gets really defensive. Mentioned day 1 and was the first thought that popped in my head.

Defensiveness isn't scummy.

Your post regarding Dragon's D1/D2 posting around Dave was pretty good though and has made me doubt my town read of the Dragon slot. His response to it was pretty bad as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:47 am

If you haven't jumped ship you should probably vote Dragon.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:01 am

Right, so you're scared of your scum read getting hammered.

That makes a lot of sense. I always worry about people hammering my scum reads. /sarcasm

BlueBloodedToffee · Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:03 pm

Prodge.

Will get to this later today.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:54 am

In post 1693, duppin wrote:Their lack of response is a bit troubling to be honest.

Who is 'their'? What are you planning to do about that lack of response?

In post 1694, Aeronaut wrote:
There are some really sketchy turnarounds on DS right now.

Mainly Kitty and Shazams.

Yeah, this.

In post 1706, Titus wrote:That is the quickest I have seen a wagon I hate be derailed...it was almost certainly scum driven.

Oh, why so generic? Can you elaborate on this a little more?

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:01 am

In post 1745, Shazam wrote:Well I don't think scum would have claimed like that and then retracted and come up with such a reasonable defense for why they made the claim. I actually believe ronit.
VOTE: SCtH

Yeah, this is terrible.

So, lynch Ronit and I'll shoot Shazam.

Ronit's 'reaction test' was appalling.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:02 am

VOTE: Ronit

That's L-1. Or a lynch. Probably a lynch.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:03 am

Actually, I might shoot Duppin. Haven't decided yet.

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:43 am

Keyser's inactivity is worrying given his early 'pro-town' start as well.