NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Dwlee99]

We are letting rc use their shot. It is the optimal play

[Keyser Söze]

TO: Firebringer and Titus

FROM: Keyser Söze

Subject: Dwlee99's scum-indicative behaviour



In case you missed it...

Spoiler: Dwlee99's scum-indicative behaviour

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?

First one onto dave.

Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.

1) Dwlee99 admits he is voting davesaz for not actually scum reading him.
2) Dwlee99 admits he is town reading someone who voted for unconfirmed scum.

These are two positions that I believe a townie should not hold.

Building off this...

In the span of one page, Dwlee goes from only being on the Dave wagon because his town reads were there, straight to being

so sure

Dave is scum, that the first person to vote him must be town.

Yea, but the more I look at it, Dwlee is literally just hopping onto biggest wagon most of the time.

Not really sure about scum.

I am so fing confused.

I guess I will vote cow.

VOTE: Cow

VOTE: Dave

I dig

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.

your ISO lacks an earnest progression of trying to find out the alignment of all the other players. Your apparent scum-read of me is clear, however, your focus is narrow. This concerns me greatly.

Seriously. I'm fine lynching Dwlee or Dave today.

Mod basically clinched the Dave scum case that we had been building prior to that, and Dwlee is just as bad if not worse.

Why did Dwlee drop the Keyser scum read if Keyser was emulating his scum game?

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

Also you never expanded on this.

Why aren't you still scum reading Keyser?

It feels like scum!dwlee made this up.

The miller claim actually adds onto my town read of wicked, I forgot to quote it.

Nosferatu is null because I don't have enough to lynch them atm.
Deathnote claimed PR - not pursuing that today.

Massclaim PR. We're all town.

Like - going from

"wall of questions without content" (paraphrase)

To

"I like his early questions" (direct quote)

Makes no sense. How can you completely change from what essentially reads as "his questions sucked" to "those exact same questions were good"

Spoiler: Dwlee criticizing Wicked

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

I don't understand...

Are you jokingly referring to page 9?

If so, I can play along and try to come up with a funny response. Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about.

No, RC

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Im not even a little interested in a repeat of last game. Im not holding it against you.

Context?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

^ wall of questions from wicked that don't seem to have content.

And so I should make up some bs reason to call you out on my vote hop than actually saying what I think about vote hopping? K then fro99er.

Spoiler: Dwlee town reading Wicked for a good chunk of the same posts

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

I like his questions early.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 3.8

RadiantCowbells (5) - Firebringer, DeathNote, JarJarDrinks, Titus, pirate mollie
Titus (3) - RadiantCowbells, Dwlee99, pisskop
pirate mollie (1) - Nosferatu

Not voting (3) - Wickedestjr, Wake88, Keyser Söze

(expired on 2016-01-22 11:59:59)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

We are letting rc use their shot. It is the optimal play

If he's town, he's just gonna get role blocked anyway.

[Titus]

@Mollie, I did the initial vca last night.

If traffic is light, I may be able to refine it some more but DeathNote and TheCow (now Firebringer) are totally town. RC and pisskop are in the sweet bussing zone. One of you pisskop is scum MAX. Given pisskop RC are highly likely buddies, you are damn near conftown.

[pisskop]

sweet bussing zone

wat?

[Titus]

sweet bussing zone

wat?

Middle of acum flips is the sweet bussing zone.

[pisskop]

Except the wagon was disasembled, taking 3 people out of it and ruining the order.

[Keyser Söze]

We are letting rc use their shot.

It is the optimal play

NO, it is

MAFIA's "optimal play"

to not lynch RadiantCowbells and miss-lynch town instead. Scum (you) want us to waste a lynch. The picture is very likely

9

:

3

right now. Where was this talk of town "optimal play" on Day Two after the cop claims?

The 'Zulfy scum-slip' is just an unsupported accusation (a lie) that scum had planned to come racing out of Day Three with to force a miss-lynch.

It is not a scum-slip.

No matter how many times they shout and requote it. Scum wanted DeathNote (bulletproof) and Titus (weak scum-slip accusation) lynched today.

Their argument to let their "two-shot cop" have one more shot at the phantom serial killer is desperation

Wickedestjr
Titus
pirate mollie
Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks
Wake88
Firebringer
DeathNote

Dwlee99
pisskop
RadiantCowbells

None of my town-reads are getting lynched.

[Titus]

Except the wagon was disasembled, taking 3 people out of it and ruining the order.

The assessment is done later. It's irrelevant. Second, the tail end is the next place to look.

The wagons in vca have you in 3 and 4 spots if I recall correctly

Vca is my thing.

You are in bussing zone.

~Titus

[pisskop]

Hi remember the part where you had scum cases to construct?

^^ Keysor

[pisskop]

Except the wagon was disasembled, taking 3 people out of it and ruining the order.

The assessment is done later. It's irrelevant. Second, the tail end is the next place to look.

The wagons in vca have you in 3 and 4 spots if I recall correctly

Vca is my thing.

You are in bussing zone.

~Titus

Except it isnt. Youve missed a completely relevant part of analysing votes and wagons, and your attempt to brute it through despite it being an obviously innacurrate portrayal is scummy.

[Keyser Söze]

For those catching up, give this a read when you have time:

JarJarDrinks D3 scum-case on RadiantCowbells

(post 4932)

[Titus]

Keysor, we are lynching RC today. Period. We lynch Pisskop tomorrow. Period.

Don't get distracted.

Pisskop, VCA is my thing. You are. End of discussion. I haework.

[pisskop]

Titus, for the 'master of VCA', youre sure doing it wrong a lot this game, hunh?

Missing people mass jumpng wagons and screwing with orders, missing 900 posts of progression, pretending to have conclusions that are not only vague as balls but dubious in quality.

[Keyser Söze]

Hi remember the part where you had scum cases to construct?

^^ Keysor

You're not reading again. Take note:

Not opposed to lynching RC today. But

I'm also not ready for the day to end just yet.

Me too, can't let scum get another early hammer: UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

I have 4 more items to publish, then we can lynch him:

1) Why Zulfy/Titus is town

2) Fist of suspicion: Part One, pisskop
3) Fist of suspicion: Part Two, Dwlee99
4) Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two
5) Full analysis of my other town reads

..and the sweetest thing is, we have over 13 days!

[pisskop]

I will present my full scum-case within the next 48 hours.

tick tock man.

[Keyser Söze]

Don't get distracted.

Who is distracted?
I've put my other game on hold?

[RadiantCowbells]

You have over 13 days to anticipate being lynched as soon as I flip town.

Seriously, if you're actually town in this game you bring stupidity to a whole new level.

[pirate mollie]

no way in hell am I gonna do your busy work for you

This is because it doesnt exist. But you know what, you keep saying it does and maybe just like you kept shouting about how I was trying to push you for meta before you replaced in and maybe somebody will believe you.

erm, I never said you were pushing me for meta yeah?

you keep making shit up

[Keyser Söze]

tick tock man.

You try to be the tough guy... but in the end, you're...

Spoiler: Hard truths

pisskop (vile-Chucky)

vile-Chucky is the busiest toy in the shop (nearly a 1,000 posts and counting!) but he has no interest in finding out who is scum. He only attacks easy victims with sexist, vulgar and offensive remarks, a serial offender who escapes punishment from the authorities. Tunneling his victims out of the shop. If someone says one word against him, vile-Chucky will throw a fist full of undermining/discrediting shots at you. He's the type of toy that will try to round up an wagon short-list as soon as the shop opens.

48 hours? Now that The Game Shop is back in business, I've got 13 days to milk this (312 hours!) Your postcount is now 1003 posts! Time to find "scum"... who are you going to push?
Wickedestjr? Titus? pirate mollie? Nosferatu? JarJarDrinks? Wake88? Firebringer? DeathNote? Me?

[pirate mollie]

pisskop's play is VERY scum motivated.

how? Like im beating my head on a wall here trying to decide if youre actually pushing this because you believe it or are scum.


-You scumread people until the stop suspecting you.

-You ignore questions like:

Mollie, I'd like a link to your last town game that you

REPLACED INTO.

and answers to your own questions like the 6 times I answered your question and the 3 times I quoted those 6 answers and the 3-4 times I answered Frogs/jar's Questions about this same subject

-You promise to read, and then just off that the soonest you can. You put forward nothing that suggests you even ISOed dave, and your excuse for not reading was that RC voted you and you got mad.

-You repeat these montras and oppurtunistically push new points when other people introduce them. When yelling at people didnt work you started telling them that you were hurt and that they were being unfair and that I was being sexist. You keep pulling up new ways to try to win people over instead of consistantly doing any of them. Or you know, dropping the emotional appeals and using game logic.

-Ive laid out cases on you, and Ive told you Im tired of it. Ive explained how youre anti-town, and Ive tried to engage you. Theres nothing in the way of content that can be examined on later days to tie you to reads and opinions. And thats scumy in itself.

-Youre not doing yourself favors, and when RC goes and flips town its Titus then you.

well

nero and I had just finished a game where we were both town that we referenced. like it is literally in this thread soyeah i did answer his question.

but keep the lies coming!!!!

[pisskop]

Quote it. We keep having this talk about you having to show your work, and yet despite moments like this where you show us you know how to quote you dont.

[pirate mollie]

Hi remember the part where you had scum cases to construct?

^^ Keysor

you mean the big long walls that you complained about and wanted ap to spoiler tag them?

yeah those

[pisskop]

Mollie, I'd like a link to your last town game that you

REPLACED INTO.

there a reason you ignoring me mollie?

Mollie, I'd like a link to your last town game that you

REPLACED INTO.

why is this a point of contingency I am confused. do you think that I deliberately look for scum slots to replace into and that is why you are pursuing this angle? cos yeah no that did not happen.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60560

In that game Mollie replaced in as scum.

tl;dr version cos I am not reading any of this shit

Her intro was very similar here

I am town

does somebody want to explain why there is a wagon on my slot

also can I have the tl;dr version of what is going in this game

cos it will be a while before I can all the way through 79 pages

also can y'all go ahead and take off your votes cos this slot is town and there are pple in this game who can actually read me so to not give them a chance to do that is the basically claiming scum.

Its also p stupid that she'd need to ask for ppl to unvote her.

idk. it looks to me like Nero had to go get it himself because you ignored it.