Mini 1785: Game Over!

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First!

VOTE: I am innocent

I don't believe you.

PEdit: Shit

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Lol you're gunna love playing with RC.

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That vote from Jake is suspicious as fuck. VOTE: Jake

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Unless he knows you well enough to know that...

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@Jake
Sounds like you're setting yourself up to coast and hoping we all give you a pass.

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I don't really know what to make of garmr v. lapsa either, not sure if I'm feeling the lapsa hate although I genuinely don't understand how you don't understand RC's vote if you actually read.

Anyway, VOTE: BananaCucho for naked vote and unvote 12 hours later despite apparently reading everything and there being enough to comment on.

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...ok
UNVOTE:

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jarjar makes good points.
VOTE: acyron
The reason why I was excited it because it was scum last game and I do not like being scum.

haha yeah... voted for whatshisname without actualyl reading anythign he wrote. But jarjardrinks points against him looked pretty good.

But whathisname defense looked pretty good as well. In fact it made jarjar look kind of bad for the misrepresentation.
So I'll UNVOTE: whathisname.

Real talk: there's been a lot more activity so far than I was prepared for. So I kinda just did some dumb shit to be invovled. I'm going need some time before I can read everything closely and have good opinions.

Are you even paying attention to what's going on? A vote on acyron then unvoting whathisname? Has anyone commented on this yet?

VOTE: Kush

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@jake there is a 5k, 10k, half, full race at some point in the year right? Isn't it like the dopey race or something? I've thought about doing that too.

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Also is that L-1 for Kush? Didn't look that closely, I'm on my
phone.

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Ah good luck I did my first half last August, think about a full next year.

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Lol

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Lol at 269. Lapsa seems to have trouble following along. Not sure if scum or bad but anyway Kush isn't here so I'll VOTE: lapsa. No one else is sticking out.

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Why bring that up Garmr?

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I'm talking about 331 specifically.

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Hmm a personal attack for a simple question? That's interesting. Answer my questions first. Why were you looking over the rules? Surely you read them before we started?

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Where in the rules is there any information that would help you with that though?

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But you said you saw it in the rules so you must have been looking at the rules. Why were you looking at the rules if there's no information about voting patterns there?

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Mhmm. But the player's list is in a separate post from the day talk rule. The day talk rule isn't bolded or anything so how exactly did you notice it only now? Tell me, has Lapsa changed his playstyle in a way that would suggest coaching?

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331 looks like scum trying to act town. I wasn't thinking anything about scum chat, I don't know why you would be. It seems like you are trying to make it look like you only just now know that scum has day chat when that should be obvious to everyone from the beginning of the game. I don't buy that you just happened to notice it, if you were looking at the player's list that's where you're attention would have been. Then you get awfully defensive whereas I think town would have brushed it away as nothing. VOTE: Garmr.

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About Lapsa: He's clearly not paying much attention as he has failed to understand a couple of simple things that happened. Could be a lack of interest from town, but could also be scum who doesn't have to worry about trying to find scum. At worst, a vote on a townie who isn't playing well was better than anything else I had. Until now of course, because I'm thinking that could have been a slip.

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@Acryon which is why I pushed it. I think the defense was over the top also.

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Look at that beta male behavior backing off his reasoning.

That was in response to RC and was actually backing up my reasoning.

Talking about shit fake post what the hell is with this reasoning he ignores all the other scummy stuff lapsa is doing and then votes him for not being able to follow the game that's fucking shit reasoning and horrible.

Not ignoring it, just not buying it.


Won't comment on the other stuff because those aren't even real points. I thought you just had a gut read on me? But now when I attack you you get so defensive that you go through my posts to find random bs to try to make me look bad?

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Commitment to day 1 votes based on not a lot of content? I never implied I had strong reads, but I did give my reasoning. Don't worry though I'm committed to this vote.

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Lol

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I kissed a girl once

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Something something changing reads something something beta

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That's a misrep RC, he hasn't said Lapsa is town, just that the case isn't strong and it's a bad lynch.

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It's possible to have a null/scum read on someone but still think someone else's case is bad.
Any way I'm not saying that's what's happening I'm just stating that RC made a big jump from what JJD has said to "he's town reading". With the vote attached, RC is saying that JJD is more scummy than Lapsa based on that misrep.

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I'm not making a point about JJD, I'm making a point about RC.

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I'm not making a point about JJD, I'm making a point about RC.

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I agree JJD should explain why the case is bad.

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377 was directed at you Garmr. I think aggressive scum hunting and bold accusations are a fine play style if that's how you choose to play. But posts from you and RC have leaned more towards painting a picture in my opinion and that makes me a bit wary.

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Jake from state farm, you have first hand knowledge of my scum game. Doesn't it seem like I'm a totally different person this game? That's how it feels.

Oh man, I don't like this post at all.

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377 was directed at you Garmr. I think aggressive scum hunting and bold accusations are a fine play style if that's how you choose to play. But posts from you and RC have leaned more towards painting a picture in my opinion and that makes me a bit wary.

So what you are going to ignore that rc was right and you defending JJD for maybe not reading lapsa as town?

-Grabs popcorn-

So it ok to continue accusing rc of trying to paint a picture despite the fact he was proven right. Hypocrite much.

You can paint a picture and have it turn out to be right, doesn't change the fact that you were painting a picture at the time.

@murder cat
Also you complaining about trying to paint a picture when the only thing you debated against me is the fact that I mentioned I didn't notice we had day talk and tried to paint it as a extremely scummy thing to do. You are truly laughable.

You are making my ego smile

All I'm saying is the lapsa wagon is getting pushed way harder than what I think is reasonable from my perspective. The real issue I had with your post was it displayed a lot of over confidence in Lapsa being scum that I don't think is reasonable. Personally, I think it's hard to tell if Lapsa is scummy or trolly. RC is pushing it really hard, but I haven't played with RC before so I'm not sure how to read that. But the way you jumped on is confusing to me considering how hard you pushed lapsa as scum afterwards.

I still scumread Lapsa more than Kush.

VOTE: Lapsa

I really don't mind lapsa

or mrmeeks

VOTE: Lapsa

Kush is scum, I get that, but like
you can't not lynch this.

VOTE: lapsa

@mr meeks
Rc didn't say anything to convince me because

I was already scum reading lapsa

and I thought I was voting him already whcih is why I told the mod he was wrong even through he was right.

I quoted the post because I like the idea of a wagon on lapsa since it's going to take more time to prove to other people that you are scum meeks and you are both my scum reads.


@fire
Never said to lynch instantly but a wagon that's constantly pushing on laspa(or any scum read) and keeping him open as a lynch so we don't do those rush a person 0 to lynch days

And then you continued to push really hard. Just feels over the top to me.

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Jake from state farm, you have first hand knowledge of my scum game. Doesn't it seem like I'm a totally different person this game? That's how it feels.

Oh man, I don't like this post at all.

Why not? I think that post is pretty freakin' town.

Just feels off to me. Like you

really

want people to think that you're town. And appealing to someone else just seems strange to me.

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Lol RC, I thought you had it all figured out already?

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What happened to 3 day town win?

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Because I'm the one tunneling?

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You're the one acting like you have all the answers not me.

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so you weren't thinking about it and yet its obvious to you at the same time?

It should be obvious to everyone who read the rules that there is day talk. When I say I wasn't thinking about it I mean it wasn't in the front of my mind, it wasn't being discussed at all. Garmr's post feels like he's trying to show he didn't know scum have day talk.

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@Your first post
I will read these later. I'm not saying pushing hard is a scum tell, I just think pushing hard relative to the amount of evidence there is could be seen a painting a picture. That's what I am feeling right now. I don't really mind a Lapsa lynch though because he is not helping anything and we will get info. It seems some people are tunneled so we might as well just lynch now anyway. If he flips scum then obviously I'll drop the issue. In any case, I'm not sure why you are so defensive. Maybe it's just your play style, I will read those games.

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Bumps to get the vc at the top of the page lol.

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Lol Kush

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I would discourage anyone else from discussing power role reads at this time.

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Sorry guys, busy weekend and a day off yesterday means I haven't gotten a chance to post as much as I'd like. I'm happy with my vote where it is. I'm not feeling the Lapsa or Kush wagons to be honest, although it's mostly gut and my gut is probably shit. I don't see Kush as scum, someone who has played since 2013 can't be that bad (terrible reasoning, I know, but it is day 1 so I'm going to stick with my gut for now). I'm going to ISO for a bit and then get back to you guys.

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I would probably say murdercat is the most likely to be town

You flatter me.

Yeah, Imma stick with Garmr for now, although I have to go back over the quiet players again. In addition to what I saw before, I agree with the general trend JJD pointed out when he commented about the Meeseeks read. Garmr's reads this game are all over the place and he pushes really hard even though there's not a lot of evidence. It doesn't feel like the way RC does it though like it's a reaction test, it feels like he is trying to convince others but moving on if he doesn't get support. The move off Calvary and onto Lapsa after "the best case all game" feels forced and dramatic. I also took note of the discussion of PRs earlier, although I'm wondering if scum would be that blatant. I do still need to meta you though, I will do that if/when it looks like you are getting lynched if not sooner.

Not going to comment on Calvary (and Garmr's post) until Calvary is back and posts.

I'm noticing that Autti is doing a whole lot of nothing. 504 and 536 have no reasoning behind them, which is curious to me. 503 looks like a I'm not sure what to post so I'll do some vague reads, but this could conceivably comes from town who feels guilty for not posting.

Also I think it's funny that Kush made post 420, just noticed that.

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calvary - writing way too much to be lynched day 1.

Jesus Kush, every time I think you might be town you say stupid shit.

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Right

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Let me make some more posts

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So that when you look at the activity overview to see who to lynch it won't be me

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There is a case on Calvary you could comment on if you wanted to.

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631

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Perhaps. Although it can easily be interpreted as you trying to see what will stick. Anyways, we aren't lynching you today I don't think so I guess I'll have to move my vote sooner or later. I'm not feeling Kush or Lapsa though, which is why I'm thinking Autti might be a reasonable wagon. But like I said I need to look at people like Jake and I am innocent again, not that's there's much there.

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Don't see why U'd think garmr can't be lynched today.

Just based on where other people seem to be, it could change of course. I'm also not going to pretend the case is bulletproof or anything, my read is based a lot of gut which I don't expect others to follow.

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Acryon had a few points earlier on.

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There is no way Garmr is getting lynched today. One of me or Garmr have to be night killed before that happens.

No one cares about your stupid masonry thing, if Garmr is scum we are lynching him.

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Sure Garmr.

Any reasoning behind that vote Jake?

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Solid.

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Jake wagon is stupid. I imagine he is withholding an answer for a reason, I don't see why a big push to understand why is necessary right now.

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I meant Kush's suggestion was stupid.

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Kush would have to be so so bad to be scum though it's hard to believe. The only scum points are for things like poor word choice and stupid joke posts. Scum wouldn't draw attention to themselves in such an obvious way.

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Was just going to say that Jake. Has the scum read on me disappeared as well?

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Shots fired

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You think Lapsa/JJD/Calvary is scum team?

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@Mod

Can we get an Autti prod?

Also, I am Innocent can you weigh in on recent developments?

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Word man thanks for the heads up.

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I think Lapsa is more valuable of late so now I would more actively fight that lynch (even then I didn't want to be part of it, I knew that much). But I think there's bit of a line in the sand over Lapsa where JJD is on one side and RC/Garmr are on the other. So I think if Lapsa is scum it refelects poorly on JJD and, if town, it reflects poorly on RC/Garmr (mostly garmr IMO). Hardly conclusive or anything but I think its more info than we would get out of an I am innocent or fire lynch. That being said, I am now more strongly of the opinion that it's not a good lynch today.

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I would have to read it, but not really. I'm basically assuming you are capable of a decent scum game already, so knowledge that you were able to play somewhat decently doesn't really change that. Because you said you've been playing for a while I'm thinking you wouldn't draw attention to yourself the way you have this game if you were scum. I think you know that the posts that I've pointed out (and others have pointed out) would come off as scummy.

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It's not that I haven't considered it, I just think it falls under the explanation of scum doesn't want to bring attention to themselves. So even if you were trying to wifom it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do that when it makes you stick out like a sore thumb. But maybe that's just more wifom...

Anyway I never said you were the towniest townie who ever townied, I'm just leaning town on you right now and I don't like a lynch on you just based on these strange things you've said. I prefer to build a case based on things like Garmr has done like over pushing reads and switching reads without any reasoning given.

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I have no meta knowledge on Garmr and admittedly, not much experience in general. But in this game (first I found) it seems like he moved his vote around a fair amount (even on day 1) so I think it's conceivable. I do still intend to properly meta him when I get the chance, maybe tonight even. I would argue that the difference between the way he is drawing attention to himself and what you've been doing is that he is doing it in an attempt to look town (assuming he is scum of course).

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Garmr, did you read the interaction between me and Kush? He asked if in my experience scum moved their vote around on day 1. It's clear that's all I was looking for and I said I intended to properly meta you. You aren't even at L-2, I don't get the nervousness. And I hardly see where I've tried to convince others of much of anything this game, I won't do that until I'm confident in something. At this point I'm just explaining my reasoning for what I've been doing.

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I'm not saying looking at the game was any huge point against you though, I just used it to argue that scum are capable of moving their vote around as much as town on Day 1. For what it's worth, if you were at L-1 I would remove my vote because I'm nowhere near ready to hammer you. I do think it's strange that a few people hopped on your wagon without a lot of thought for themselves. Don't think I'm not looking elsewhere just because my vote is currently on you.

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I don't understand how an RC lynch would be good at all right now.

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Can you grace with a real explanation RC? It seems like you think JJD is scum because he didn't think Lapsa was scum. But then you said later that Lapsa might be town because of how JJD (and I) acted so I'm not sure I follow. I'd appreciate if you spelled exactly why you are scum reading JJD.

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Yeah I don't buy that JJD.

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I think there's a lot of personal BS in this game.

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Did you mean reads scum?

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Just confusing that you say something Lapsa said looks towny then give a bunch of negatives and a vote.

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I am currently of the opinion that Lapsa is town, but I don't see that post as anything special in either direction.

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I am currently of the opinion that Lapsa is town, but I don't see that post as anything special in either direction.

why? or where if the explanation already exists.

Maybe town is a bit strong, but Lapsa has gone from null to town lean. I can explain later with quotes and stuff.

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I'm town yo, how's that for talk.

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Noted

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Lol RC you are drunk. I'll post tomorrow.

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Wait, no. Stop. Not me.

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I'll tell you tomorrow

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Me too

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I think this Calvary wagon is bad. I think Garmr's jump on is bad. I think I am Innocent's vote on Calvary is bad too. I don't understand why lapsa is putting a wagon at L-1 if they are replacing out. I'm worried about Garmr, fire, and I am innocent right now.

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I would rather vote I am innocent than calvary.

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ok
VOTE: I am innocent

Mostly for the Calvary vote but also other small things like 238 which feels forced and 472 which is a silly misrep.

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Pretty sure Calvaryr is at L-1 by the way

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We will see.

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If only

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Still don't get why the Lapsa hate is so strong

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Kush, how do you feel about fire? I'd rather vote fire than I am innocent. Garmr > fire > IAI

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Disagree

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I don't think Kush is scum

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Why was my vote bad? Kush's wagon was down to just my vote. Expedience whose slot I'm townreading started a wagon on Calvary. Calvary as you can see in my post below is someone I'm scum reading...so I voted Calvary.

You follow with no reasoning of your own.

I don't think Kush is scum

Why?

I've talked about Kush already, go through my Iso. I think I talked about it with kush specifically. The case against kush is based on weird things he's said that are obviously kind of scummy. I think scum would have been more careful. I also don't think a case based on things like 'Kush said he's town, he's probably scum trying to trick people!!1!' is very strong. The wagon on him also grew crazy fast.

Garmr you are stretching the lapsa case real hard. Maybe you actually are silly town controlled by fire and RC though because I think you may have gone past 'scum pushing a mislynch' and into 'town tunnelling' territory.

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People who are here, how are we feeling about fire?

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I reread his iso to try to figure out what's making me feel so off. I'm not going to quote wall but if you look through it there's a lot of non-commitment. It doesn't read to me like town non-commitment though, it reads like "I'm trying so hard to figure things out and man it could really be anything, huh guys?" when he actually knows what's going on. Just a gut feeling though, so I want to know what others think.

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i think its just a fundamental disagreement on whether its scummy or not. if jake doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows, he doesnt want to play with someone who gamethrows. simple as that. i have the honest opinion that jake would replace out regardless. i dont think jake would stay playing with someone who he believes gamethrows when he has a fundamental disagreement with gamethrowing, regardless of whether it could be used to his advantage or not.

I agree with this

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We are under 24 hours to deadline by the way.

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I'm potentially willing to compromise on Postie.

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^

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The only other thing I can think of is they hate whoever they are scum with and something happened in scum chat but I think your explanation makes more sense.

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Why do I think it sounds fake? First off, mafia is more likely to claim PR IMO. I find it convenient that she's not just a VT.

This is silly reasoning that will have us end up with all our PRs lynched.

I'll agree that I'm still suspicious but we can't lynch Postie today.

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There's a line. It's only day 1.

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JJD I wonder if you want to lynch so bad because you know you could be next.

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I wasn't feeling your slot Postie.

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And I didn't vote anyway so whatever.

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Yeah Postie isn't dying tonight lol.

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Still no way we lynch a claimed PR.

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Pretty high likelihood of the kill failing though.

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Nope. I don't think we are going to be following your directions.

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Yeah man somethings up with that guy.

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Kush I'm confused about the 719 quote

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Shit guys, what are we doing? Deadline is coming up and the current wagons suck.

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Pretty sure there's no way we get Garmr, that's why I moved off.

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I think the fact that you are pushing it will put a lot of people off but let's see, I'm of course willing to go back to Garmr.

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^ same

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6 hours...

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With the post tag

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Are we really going to lynch a non CC'd PR on day 1?

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I really think it's too late to do Calvary because we probably won't get a claim and we could easily end up lynching a PR. But I don't like the idea of getting any more claims out in a last second scramble or lynching a non CC'd PR.

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I know that Kush, but if Postie is actually PR that would be pretty shitty.

VOTE: Garmr

Get on Kush, IAI is going nowhere and at least Garmr is here I think.

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It just feels bad to lynch someone who is PR claiming when I don't think there is enough justification to doubt the claim. I say non CC'd but I guess what I mean is the claim doesn't have enough justification to be called into question to the point where we should be willing to lynch today.

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I agree that we probably don't have cop and gunsmith. And if we do have both then at least if we kill one we have the other!

VOTE: Postie

I don't see a crumb from Autti also.

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Hmm. Show the crumb Garmr

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This crumb came before the Postie claim FWIW

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Either way, we kill Postie now.

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Lol

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UNVOTE:

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Do we kill garmr now? Is that genuine or scum bs? Maybe he knew he was caught after the lapsa CC

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VOTE: garmr

fuck it, worst case we lose a VT

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Yeah I think you are right

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Well who do we lynch instead kush? Right now there's a good chance garmr is scum after that and I'm back to not liking the Postie lynch. Worst case we lose a VT.

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Lapsa is trolling

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Cop and gunsmith aren't in the same game because there is no cop...

Kush are you scum with Garmr? I thought we were buddies.

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Spoiler: Lapsa

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Obviously trolling

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Your AtE bs isn't going to affect me garmr. You shouldn't have fake claimed cop if you didn't want to be lynched.

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Holy shit Kush, lapsa isn't cop.

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Oh I think this absolutely proves postie is the scumbuddy (assuming garmr is indeed scum).

Key idea is assuming garmr is scum. If one is scum they probably both are, but if garmr is town and we lynch him we lose a vt, if postie is scum and we lynch then we lose gunsmith. So it's better to do garmr now.

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I can't believe you think lapsa is legit.

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Like I actually can't believe it to the point where I think you might be scum with garmr.

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I also don't see how Lapsa being legit makes Postie a better lynch than garnr

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It's deadline Kush, there are way worse lynches than a scummy VT on day 1. And that's worst case.

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@mod

vc would be great if you're around.

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Lol read up then vote garmr

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Garmr how do I know what's real frustration and what's AtE? I'll vote Postie at deadline if Garmr isn't happening.

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Anyone want to figure out how many votes Postie has?

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But the cop claim was bs

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I think he didn't read that lol

Pedit: LOL

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vote garmr meeseeks

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wtf is going on

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thank you IAI for vote count. I don't understand why we are so hesitant to vote garmr, shit's scummy and he's just vt.

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If he was actually claiming cop then fine we lynch postie but come on. Like 80% he's scum 20% he's VT. That's a good lynch in my book.

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Yeah I'm talking about kush and meeseeks

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Do votes after deadline but before thread lock count?

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Ok, I probably won't be back in time then, but I think we have enough to get a lynch without me.

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I haven't taken the time to read through everything closely yet but I'm not really sure why we are mass claiming?

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Rip alt
April 1st 2016 - May 1st 2016

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Oh right I forgot Dwlee already talked about his role.

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No l-1 I think?

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1854 doesn't count

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I have to read everything again but it seems like Postie is a good lynch so I might be looking to vote there tonight or tomorrow when I fully catch up.

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No it's meeseeks

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You think scum tried to kill Lapsa's slot?

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Shit I have so much to read....

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Ok, I'm caught up. Ircher looking to vote someone that isn't postie is ridiculous. Also the fact that calvary didn't claim is strange. I don't understand why RC would move off of the two players that are 50% likely to be scum. Ircher/RC scumteam seems reasonable to me. I could see them looking to bus ircher to get gs postie lynched and RC towncred. That slot is under a lot of pressure anyway so I think that's pretty good value for them. Why does postie have so many votes again? I don't agree with Meseeks point of view, I think we should vote the scummier one.

What do we think the scum PRs are right now? Do we really buy that scum postie was able to claim gunsmith based on the info avaliable to scum? I don't understand the possible setups that well, but mafia doc doesn't make that much sense with vig in the game correct? So were are basing the fact that scum postie claimed gunsmith because of fear of an SK on day 1? Someone help me out here.

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If scum have a roleblocker instead of Doctor then I really don't see scum Postie claiming gunsmith.

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Ircher I honestly can't see how you are town here and not trying to lynch Postie.

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Because there is confirmed scum to you? Why would you not want to lynch the confirmed scum to you??

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I never said I didnt. But, possibly gaining an extra investigation imo is a worthwhile risk for towm not to lynch Postie right now and lynch someone else by concensus.

what the fuck is this...

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Like if you are gs then you know that postie isn't. You think there are two gs in the game?? If you are not at L-1 I'm voting you.

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But YOU know for sure. So why are YOU so quick to not lynch the confirmed scum? And why are you sheeping RC so hard? Besides it seems like there's a roleblocker in this setup anyway.

You CCing as scum makes sense for the reason I explained before, scum trades a suspected slot for PR and town cred for another scum.

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Uh, cuz you've done it since daystart.

I could see a Postie/Jar/RC team now. Could explain the townread RC has on Jar.

This just has to be scum.

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You sheep RC onto Meeseeks, say you want to lynch me and now scum team is RC/JJD/Postie??

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You sheep RC onto Meeseeks, say you want to lynch me and now scum team is RC/JJD/Postie??

Are you telling me reads should be static?

No but they should make sense

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Plus there is the "crumb" pointed out by RC, why even mention a back up cop there unless he was planning to use that crumb later

Because once scum knows there's a gunsmith in the game it makes sense to crumb something that will let them get away if investigated?

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If scum have a roleblocker instead of Doctor then I really don't see scum Postie claiming gunsmith.

eh I feel like full claiming. My third ability is a roleblock. How does this affect the chances of scum having a roleblocker?

So maybe scum do have doctor

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Or rolecop/gs as IAI said

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IAI is vig

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If you are not at L-1 I'm voting you.

VOTE: Ircher

L-1

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If scum has role cop or gs they would know. But if Ircher is scum RC will still have some explaining to do.

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oh but they wouldn't have both I see

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It's not just stupidity he is changing his RC read to look townie. I don't like how Postie has disappeared though.

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I still don't understand why anyone would take that Lapsa claim seriously. I find it hard to believe scum shot there.

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That's all I can think of if we assume there are no more PRs. Hard to tell which it is right now but I bet things will be more clear tomorrow.

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Is this a joke...

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Yeah I'm pretty sure Kush is town too, he's been flipped.

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UNVOTE:

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What's your read on Garmr?

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Ok I'm going to assume you were just reading from the beginning and made a mistake.

reVOTE: Ircher

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IAI claimed vig shot

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I think it's reasonable to think IAI scum shot Kush for being right and claimed vig though.

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Or at least reasonable to consider.

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Don't self hammer.

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UNVOTE:

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I don't like self-hammers.

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You seriously self vote when you know someone is confirmed scum? And RC, why meseeks instead of postie if Ircher is town?