Mass Effect Mafia - [Game Over]

[Varsoon]

VOTE: CuriousKarmaDog
First person to form a counterwagon is always scum.

Also, I win with Humans.

[Varsoon]

Oh, I thought people-who-won-with-humans was a majority?
Regardless, I was thinking of strategies.
Maybe everyone could claim human or non-human?
Although I don't know if that'd help/solve anything.
Someone with more time and a better brain should think on this.

[Varsoon]

Wait, does your whole faction win with the other factions allied to you or is it just you as a single player if you're the last one left?
VOTE: Elsa and Anna

Ayyy it's your scumtell

[Varsoon]

I think what is confusing me is the line for each faction that says "Have one XXXX alive and only one of the YYYY/ZZZZ live. All others die."
So does that mean that in the scenario that there's only 1 XXXX and 1 YYYY left, they both win for their whole faction?
And, similarly, if only 1 XXXX, 1 YYYY, and 1 ZZZZ are alive, who wins?
I'm so confused now.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, pretty close to positive Varsoon is scum here.

More votes go go go.

Cool, I'm absolutely positive you're wrong.


P-EDIT: Okay, that makes more sense. Well, shit then. I guess there's no real ways to game the setup and oust scum super easy.

[Varsoon]

So, what is the 'town' reaction?
You're severely limiting yourself and weakening your game if you think anyone of any alignment is incapable of anything.

[Varsoon]

Glad we could have this conversation.

[Varsoon]

Because that outs all the turians and asari, which makes their chances of winning slim to none so long as the other factions decide 'screw those guys'?

[Varsoon]

Regardless, I'm not comfortable with informing the NKs and essentially neutering two entire factions.

[Varsoon]

I simply said I win with humans.
As far as I am aware, Humans, Asari, and Turians win with humans.

[Varsoon]

As far as I am aware, we should be lynching the people with nightkills.
I don't think there's any claiming/setup gaming we can do D1 to help us to that end.
Elsa/Anna confirmed for most likely not Taurian/Asari
Which spikes the chances of Elsa/Anna being a faction I want to get rid of.
Unless they're just human and gross.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it's a six-faction game and my chances of winning are rubbish anyway, so
I'm Turian. My character card is blue, my name is Tarquin Victus and my human-fake-claim is David Anderson.

Since Beeboy's already pushing that I softed one or the other so hard, chances are that people are going to play around it anyway, and I don't think I gain anything from keeping this in the dark.

Apologies to my other Turi-bro if I fucked this up, but even if I die, you can still win with the humans.

P-EDIT:
@Beeboy: Let's just lynch 'em.

[Varsoon]

Isn't replacing out because you don't like your factional roll against the rules or something?

[Varsoon]

I thought people ate bans for doing it across several games.
Regardless, I think it's a dumb reason to wagon someone.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: TTH

[Varsoon]

Not a huge fan of people piling on to vote FA_Q2 because of the replace-out.

[Varsoon]

If you treat me like an enemy, there's no reason for everyone not to just instantly lynch me right now because, apparently, I only have 1 real ally.
:/

[Varsoon]

But since the killing people are the bigger threat, lynching not-me is probably a better idea for everyone.

[Varsoon]

If anything, Yume should be the Gladiator with that sort of a crumb, eh?

[Varsoon]

@Nos: Then why isn't everyone voting for me?
Clearly, there is a higher need to vote off players with factional access to kills.

[Varsoon]

@FA_Q2: I don't think anyone else should claim. I only claimed because I felt everyone was going to assume I'm Taurian/Asari anyway and I think Claiming was what was best for me at the time. I still like Elsa's plan is terrible and they're probably not Human-aligned.

@Nosferatu: So it's a higher priority to lynch in an unclear pool rather than lynch a definitive alignment if the definitive alignment is lower priority than people who are in the unclear pool?

[Varsoon]

@Nos: But if I don't know anyone's alignment for sure, should I still lynch in the pool that has a solarian/krogan in it rather than lynching someone who is outed as Asari/Geth?

[Varsoon]

Beeboy, I can only check is someone is a Turian. The only results that I think I get are 'Turian' or 'Not Turian'.
But if you are Asari, it's all fine. Let's try to lynch dudes that are a common threat and just hope that one or the other gets killed so we don't have to have a popularity contest in endgame.

[Varsoon]

@curiouskarmadog: At first I wasn't entirely sure if it was a joke or bait or a gambit. When it sunk in they were actually wagoning FA for those reasons, I became confident in a vote there.

[Varsoon]

@FA_Q2: By claiming Asari, he ensures that he's lower on the totem pole to be lynched than a possible Krogan, Geth, or what-ever-the-heck-the-other-faction-I-don't-like-is

[Varsoon]

@Suzune: So long as there are no false-positives and another Asari investigates him at night, we'll be fine.
If he fake-claimed Asari, that can be easily checked against.
Sure, it outs an Asari, but it also gets him turbo-lynched/forces a 1v1 very early on.

[Varsoon]

@Beeboy: To be fair, I can't outright trust you either. Besides, how would we co-ordinate our investigates without just setting ourselves up to get wrecked by other people who could play around them?

[Varsoon]

Can someone explain how/where bait scumclaimed? I'm not really seeing it.

@curiouskarmadog: What question about Party Boat?

[Varsoon]

@beeboy: So you think we should lynch him?
Also, I'm fine with going along with your plan but, honestly, I'm the only person who's likely to die N1.

[Varsoon]

....do you mean "why did TTH get a vote when Party Boat didn't?"

[Varsoon]

@curiouskarmadog: Probably between gut, TTH being second on the pile-on, the nature of TTH's vote vs Party Boat's, and the fact you voted TTH which made the TTH wagon more realistic?
If that doesn't satisfy you, I don't have an answer that will.

[Varsoon]

@Dwlee: Just like how BBT scumclaimed in Cyberpunk?

[Varsoon]

Wait what did bbt do? I cant remember.

In Cyberpunk, BBT was put under pressure after skirting by several days, to which he was just like, "Lol yeah I messed up my scum claim."
He later defended that it was a joke.
And it was a joke.
:/

[Varsoon]

Look, I may be rubbish, but I'm not scum.

@Hastur & Muriel:

From my point of view, if Beeboy isn't Asari, that will be confirmed very soon (as soon as D2, if we're lucky). Yes, down the line, I want to lynch him. Right now, though, a lynch not on him gives me a higher chance of lynching Geth or Krogans. While I know that I can win with Solarians, I also would prefer to win with humans, because aligning myself against a majority of the game is rubbish anyway. There's no real way for me to differentiate between Solarians and Krogans, so, from my point of view, here's who I want to lynch most:
Krogans > Geth > Solarians = Asari > Humans

Basically, I need Geth gone to win the game and so does an Asari Beeboy. We can work together on this angle and since neither of us can distinctly pair down the killing factions, Solarians and Krogans become a single entity we're both aligned against because we're working in Human's best interests.

[Varsoon]

@Beeboy: How are you going to clear Elsa & Anna as anything but Asari/Not-Asari?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna
I'm more comfortable with my vote here for now.
Also, jeeze, I'm hungry and broke.
Anyone wanna buy me a pizza?

[Varsoon]

I think a Kurio is, like, a rare, unusual, or intriguing object.

[Varsoon]

Oh my God heuristically_alone is absolutely scum

whyso?

[Varsoon]

Oh my God heuristically_alone is absolutely scum

whyso?

I think Elsa & Anna are just as likely to be lynched as anyone except for Bait, who is more likely at this point.

[Varsoon]

I think it's the other way around--RC's the kind of player scum will keep in the game because of their unreliability. You want someone who isn't clear-cut as town as you get closer and closer to LYLO. I think that, given their play here, the chances of them being unreliable or scum are both very high. I'd rather spend a lynch there than end up in a LYLO situation with them.

[Varsoon]

Regardless, the way they've responded to me at least makes me think they aren't a faction that wins with me.
So I'd like to lynch there.

[Varsoon]

They're a liability to everyone but the killing factions, so they should be lynched.


Now explain why you think heuristically_alone is scum?

[Varsoon]

beeboy and Varsoon even giving each other the time of day, let alone both arbitrarily assigning E&A a Geth alignment to justify both tunneling them, is sketchy as fuck

Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them was lying

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop literally lying about my position on E&A.
Don't put Beeboy's words in my mouth.
Furthermore, Chainsaw E&A harder.
You still haven't answered the question I've asked you more than once;
Explain why you think heuristically_alone is scum.

[Varsoon]

inb4 beeboy is the Geth-Godfather-that-looks-like-an-Asari-on-Investigates
*cough*

[Varsoon]

Fake-claiming either Asari or Taurian is nonsense unless you're some sort of godfather role, so positing that beeboy is anything but Asari or Godfather is pointless.

[Varsoon]

How is that a scum thing to say?
It's prefaced as a thought experiment, and while it does otherize 'humans' from the speaking voice, it's also not so outlandish to think about.
I hardly think it's a scumclaim. Rather, the speed at which many players have latched on to the Bait wagon should be telling, if not of Bait's faction, then of the quality of play you should expect from these people.

[Varsoon]

@Elsa & Anna: No--the factional cops only tell you if someone is of YOUR OWN faction or NOT. It doesn't tell you 'ally' or 'enemy'. An Asari-Cop would learn 'Asari' or 'Not Asari'. Read the fucking setup. Furthermore, I used the word 'Fakeclaiming' when talking about Beeboy--I am not fake-claiming. I do not know if Beeboy is or not, but if he is, then it is very likely that he has some sort of role that returns 'Asari' to Asari-Cops.

[Varsoon]

I can literally prove you wrong right now.

MOD, in the SETUP NOTES in the first post, how does the "Individual Asari Cop that cannot be framed or redirected" function? Does it return 'Friendly' or 'Foe' results or does it only tell an Asari if the target is 'Asari' or 'Not Asari'?

Also, there's only one Asari Cop. I don't know where this idea that every Asari was an Asari-Cop came from.
Holy shit just read the fucking setup

[Varsoon]

I think Elsa & Anna are interpreting the Turian and Asari Cops as alignment cops, which would return "Friend" or "Foe" unless otherwise stated in the role PM.

However, I'm almost positive the Turian and Asari Cops search only to see if a player is Turian or Asari.

[Varsoon]

The mod will clear it up when they get a chance, I hope.

[Varsoon]

@Nahdia: No, they're just guaranteed that, among their race, there is one Same-race Cop. At least, that's what the setup notes say.

@Elsa & Anna: The guaranteed Asari cop in the setup checks to see if a player is an Asari or not--they are not an alignment cop. The mod will come in and confirm that soon enough.

@Beeboy: We need that shit spelled out by the mod if it's supposed to be public info, otherwise people who don't have reading comprehension will make shit pushes and ruin the game over it.

[Varsoon]

Beeboy, damn it, don't claim to be your faction's cop, there's only one, you're putting a target on yourself.

[Varsoon]

Or, unless I'm literally stupid...

MOD: Does the word 'Individual' in the Setup Notes for Asari and Turian mean that, among these factions, an Individual player is guaranteed to be a cop for the faction, or does it mean that EVERY player in the faction can target an Individual as a part of their Asari/Turian Cop ability?

Or, basically, what Nahdia just asked

[Varsoon]

Beeboy, damn it, don't claim to be your faction's cop, there's only one, you're putting a target on yourself.

why do you care, your factions are not allied?

I'd rather the scum cross-kill than shoot someone lower down the totem pole for me.
Get your head in the game.

[Varsoon]

Beeboy, damn it, don't claim to be your faction's cop, there's only one, you're putting a target on yourself.

why do you care, your factions are not allied?

I'd rather the scum cross-kill than shoot someone lower down the totem pole for me.
Get your head in the game.

It's like you can't read, Spiffeh.

[Varsoon]

Again, calling Varsoon's claim into question is still pointless because his claim is extremely verifiable....

That's only the case if the rest of the Turians have the ability to check if I'm Turian.
If 'Individual' in the Setup Notes refers to a singular Turian having that ability, it's still verifiable, but much less so.
Regardless, we'll know for sure soon as the mod lets us know.

@Beeboy: Why the funk wouldn't the mod let us know in-thread? It's supposed to be PUBLIC info.

[Varsoon]

@Elsa & Anna: Beeboy Claimed Asari.
Assumably, three other Asari exist and ALL OF THEM can check if he is an Asari or not tonight--doing so doesn't count against their other night actions they may have, either, so there is no reason that at least one Asari doesn't check him.

P-EDIT: Holy ship can no one read?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

I refuse to believe you're just stupid.

[Varsoon]

Nahdia, who do you think belongs to the Solarian-Geth-Krogan camp, then?
Elsa/Anna is definitely not Turian or Asari.

[Varsoon]

You only insult yourself if you're not Solarian-Geth-Krogan here.
Also, thanks, Mod, that clears up a lot for us.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: TTH

[Varsoon]

Also, I will confirm, I do have the ability to see if people are Turian or Not and I've already extensively asked questions about this.
I was operating under the notion that I was the only Turian who could do so today, although on game-start I thought it was all of us.
I am glad the mod cleared up that it is, in fact, all of us.

@Elsa & Anna: I didn't call you stupid.
I said that I refuse to believe you're stupid.
Which means that I show some respect for your intelligence and that I think your current push runs contrary to that.

[Varsoon]

My vanity wagon on E&A is going nowhere, although I'm not so assured of their alignment as other people seem to be.
I'd rather back something with momentum, so long as I feel comfortable on it.
The votes on FA_Q2 were really bad, all of them, but I think TTH's posturing and play all game have been pretty mediocre.

[Varsoon]

Bygones and all that.
I want you lynched because you've been pushing things in a scummy way.
I literally had to get the mod to tell you that you were wrong for you to stop pushing Beeboy.
I don't think that qualifies as a policy lynch, unless the policy 'lynch people who you think are not aligned with you' counts.

[Varsoon]

But, Beeboy, I thought I was special...
At least, you made me feel that way.

[Varsoon]

@E&A: I'm saying that in response to your play in this game so far--not in response to any meta rubbish. That's evident from the post you quoted where I say as much.

[Varsoon]

@Klingoncelt: Is the following a scum-claim?

That is not quite the same active ability you claimed before, is it?

It isn't?

Man, I'm so bad at being scum. Can't even keep my fake claims straight.

Spoiler:

If you answered yes, you just lost Cyberpunk Mafia! Congratulations! Scum was Dwlee skirting by after botching his claim!

[Varsoon]

Yup! We sure did suck!

[Varsoon]

Just more proof Nacho is on top of his game and I'm a baddie.

[Varsoon]

Look, man, I'm bad, and I don't listen to other people sometimes when I should.

[Varsoon]

wtb a vig shot on Elsa & Anna

[Varsoon]

Das not a town response
lol

[Varsoon]

It doesn't matter who you pushed if you were scummy about it.
It's not just me who is saying these things.
So you trying to dismantle my scumread by saying it's vain is pretty funny.
But yes, pls ignore.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Varsoon

Skype please, FA. Varsoon isn't town, nor is he Turian. guarantee it.

I can't roll my eyes harder or else they'd fall out of my skull.
Keep pushing me for things we've already covered and are done with, I guess?
Any time I give you even a little bit of aggro, it results in a vote for me.

[Varsoon]

how many times do i need to go over that the Turian/Asari claims can be EXTREMELY EASILY PROVEN/DISPROVEN

BUT WHY WOULD A SURVIVOR CLAIM AFTER ALREADY SOFTING AND BEING SEMI-OUTED AND ALSO WHY WOULD HE THINK THAT AN UNBRIDLED, EARLY GAME AGGRESSIVE PUSH COUPLED WITH A CALL FOR A NO LYNCH (AND OTHER PROPOSED ANTI-HUMAN/SOLARIAN/TURIAN STRATEGIES) BE REFLECTIVE OF ELSA & ANNA AS SCUM?

CLEARLY MUST BE SCUM, NAHDIA

CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TURIAN DESPITE THE FACT THAT'S THE WORST FAKE-CLAIM EVER, NAHDIA

VARSOON MUST BE 'SCUM' IN A SETUP THAT HAS NO SCUM IN IT, ONLY DIFFERENT FACTIONS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH EVERY NON-HUMAN WAS GIVEN A HUMAN FAKE-CLAIM, AND HE OUTTED HIS HUMAN FAKE-CLAIM NAME, NO ONE IS COUNTERCLAIMING HIS FLAVOR NAME AND CLAIMING TURIAN IS THE A+ THING TO DO EARLY D1 AS GETH/KROGAN/SOLARIAN

Do you see, though, why I'm at least a little frustrated with the absolutely rubbish push that Elsa&Anna are making on me?
It's just like
I don't see that coming from town.

P-EDIT
@KuroiXHF:

[Varsoon]

Also, Elsa&Anna's confusion of how the whole Asari/Turian cop thing works is as close to proof as we'll get D1 that they don't have that sort of ability on their Role PM, because it is spelled out very clearly on mine.

[Varsoon]

I did know it, but I was trying to hide the fact because, at the time, I was operating under the assumption that only a single Turian/Asari had that power due to the use of the word 'Individual' and I was trying to hide that I could use it because I didn't want to draw the kill. I think when I claimed earlier, I hinted that I could do it, though, so that's botched anyway.
If I remember correctly, you claimed human but that's the easiest faction to fake-claim in the game.

[Varsoon]

The fact that you're pushing for a lynch on someone who wins alongside town rather than in a pool of possible Krogan/Solarian/Geth should be indicative of your alignment, and, if not, of your worth to the Asari/Turian/Human playerbase.

[Varsoon]

It's not asinine or disingenuous.
If I was scum, I would buddy the fuck out of you or leave you alone, but I wouldn't ever challenge you. Instead, I'd let you continue to be literally wrong and very loud about it in this game.
As Turian, I know that you're literally wrong and loud about it in this game.
Therefore, I am forced to conclude that you're either aligned against me or that you're a detriment to the Turian/Asari/Human group and scum will keep you around for that fact.
Yes, you'll probably get lynched (or even killed) before then, because you are such an anti-town detriment in this game, but it won't be for policy reasons or disingenuous reasons or asinine reasons--it'll be because you're actively working against the uninformed minority and those who win with them.

Your plan is absolutely awful because you failed to read the setup correctly and worked on incorrect assumptions.
Yes, if the setup was broken, your plan works. The setup isn't broken though. Who would've thought?

Furthermore, I'm not pushing a lynch on you at all right now, I'm just calling out your lies, weak posturing, and poor play. I'm voting TTH right now because I think TTH is aligned with Solarian/Krogan/Geth. I'm willing to begrudgingly agree you're human and just really, really awful. There's a difference.

Also, you're not bonafide anything but non-Asari, non-Turian, which drastically spikes your chances of being Geth/Krogan/Solarian, whom are all factions I want to lynch out of. Get off your high horse. If you're human, you're puffing your chest out while you sink the whole ship.

Way to play the godfather paranoia card, even though it doesn't work.

MOD: If there were a Godfather who was not Turian or Asari in the setup, would it return Turian or Asari to the Factional Cop abilities tied to the Turian and Asari races

In the case of yes, a Turian AND Asari result would damn me.
In the case of no, any Turian can confirm I am Turian.
Once again, you're pushing an angle that doesn't work effective in the entire game and being loud as fuck about it.

I'm getting frustrated with you, because it seems like you don't even understand the basic setup and you are tripping over yourself to push a scumread on me.

[Varsoon]

Asari check on Varsoon is meaningless. If he's a true godfather we'd need a role cop investigation on him, which I strongly suggest any human role cops do.
But then he could be bussed, which is one of the issues around centering night results on trying to discover a high profile player's alignment.

Or maybe people could not waste their actions on someone who is practically confirmed Turian?
All that needs to happen is a single other Turian using their night action on me to confirm me as Turian.
Alternatively, if the Mod says a Godfather will always give a positive result to Asari/Turian-Cops, then I need one Asari and one Turian to do that.
Other actions taken against me are a waste of time.
Please, continue to suggest anti-town moves that put us closer to losing the game.

[Varsoon]

According to the mod, Godfathers in this setup always give a 'positive' result so
For a Friend-Foe Cop, they'll always return Friend.
For an Asari/Turian Cop, they'll always return the same faction as the cop.
So if you want to clear someone as a Godfather, you need opposed faction cops to both check them and get different results.

[Varsoon]

wtb a vig shot on Elsa & Anna

[Varsoon]

Keep playing the game by rules that don't exist, I guess.

[Varsoon]

You're reading it wrong, Kuroi.
Each faction can win with either of the two factions next to it, but not both of them.
Since Salarians and Krogans have Killing Actions and Geth are an informed minority, they can be put together as the 'scum' factions.
Since Asari, Turians, And Humans are the uninformed majority, they can be put together as the 'town' factions.

There will always be, essentially, 3 factions aligned against you, and the reality is that in late game it'll be 4 factions since you can only win with one of the two that are next to you in the wheel.

[Varsoon]

I'm a Turian. My enemies are the Asari, Krogans, and Geth.
However, that said, there's nothing stopping Solarians from just accidentally killing Turians.
So, the reality is that I want to lynch anyone with a killing action and I need to also lynch the Geth or hope they get killed.
While I can not win with Asari, they are the lowest priority for me to lynch out of my enemies, because they do not possess a killing action and they are also aligned against the Geth and a Killing faction (even if it is the one I win with, in early game there is no point to dividing the killing factions up because they are both enemies in a way).

I hope that makes some sense.
I think Klingoncelt said it right when basically early game pairs down to 'Town' being the uninformed majority of Asari/Turians/Humans and 'Scum' being the informed minority with killing actions, the Krogans/Solarians/Geth.

So, yeah, if you are Turian, you could win with either the Salarians or the Humans but not both since Salarians and Humans can't win with each other.
In the early game it wouldn't matter that much but in the late-game if it got down to just Salarians, Humans, and Turians, then the Turians would have to take a side.

[Varsoon]

The balance point is that, while there are at least two kills floating around, both will want to avoid killing their partners, which makes cross-killing at least a little more likely.
As a claimed Turian, I am far more likely to draw a kill from a Krogan but far less likely to draw a kill from a Solarian.

Since no single faction has a voting majority, the non-killing factions are forced to work together to lynch their collective enemies.

I messed up and essentially soft-claimed Turian early on and was hoping no one would notice, but Beeboy, being Asari, caught on quick. I fullclaimed Turian (and my flavor) because there was no point in keeping it hidden and because full claiming might afford me benefits that I wouldn't have otherwise.

[Varsoon]

@Spiffeh: Their first game on-site was my Space Dandy game and this aligns with how they played there as their respective heads--SugarJan and HobbesDuncan.

[Varsoon]

@Cake Effect: If you can honestly read up to this point and think that Elsa & Anna shouldn't be voted, sorry but not sorry.
If you just skimmed the entire 'setup spec' stuff that's actually E&A trying to make a push on Beeboy and then on me because they don't understand the mechanics of the game, maybe you should re-read?
It's really kinda critical that you at least understand that due to the PoE there, E&A is very likely not Turian or Asari.

[Varsoon]

I agree with you there!

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Hey zakk, let's lynch scum.
TTH is scum.
Okay go

[Varsoon]

------Potential Fear----------
all this talk about who Varsoon should check and who Beeboy should check is going to backfire if the final decision is made in the topic. This gives any faction with the power to redirect the ability to mess with the results. By doing that you give another faction power over everyone else. As much as I think Varsoon and Beeboy are not an issue today, I have to remain knowledgeable that it is easier to lead the game the way you want when you are precieved as less important targets right now.

The check can't be redirected.
Read the setup notes again.
Sorry not sorry.

[Varsoon]

Yup.
This is why I'm not going to talk about my target publicly or any'o'that.

[Varsoon]

Hey zakk, let's lynch scum.
TTH is scum.
Okay go

Also I'm a claimed Turian.
Also Beeboy is a claimed Asari.
Also Ranger is a claimed Neighborizer.
Otherwise, that's about it.

[Varsoon]

Read the setup notes, Zakk.
Basically, there are six factions.
Right now we're playing it as Asari/Turians/Humans (the uninformed majority) are 'town' and the Solarians/Geth/Krogans (the informed minority with access to kills) are 'scum'.

[Varsoon]

Southern Spice (Hydra of Pirate Mollie and Papa Zito) replaced out of the game after role pms went out but before the game started.
DrippingGoofBall speculated that they replaced out because they were in a 'lame faction'.
TellTaleHeart jumped on to vote for the replacement, FA_Q2.
TellTaleHeart's play has been very spotty, lurky, and mediocre outside of this bad wagon, too.
So that's pretty much the full of it.

Just search the game thread for 'Southern Spice' if you want to follow the evolution of the FA_Q2 and TTH wagons.

[Varsoon]

1000 post GET.

[Varsoon]

Just follow along. It's not really that bad.
I literally check in once a day, read a page or two, and then go, "Okay, cool, I'm up to date."
If there's something I want to comment on, I post.
People who whine and use the whole, "GAME SO BIG I CAN'T MAKE QUALITY POSTS" shit are probably scum.
It's a worthless excuse.
If you can't keep up with a 27 player game, don't sign up for a 27 player game.
Replace out now if you can't keep up with the game.
Forever being in the grey zone of "I can't create content because the game too fast I can't be assed to read this game lol" is garbage and should probably be grounds for a policy lynch.

I think you've kept up plenty well, Nahdia, but there are other players just checking out entirely and going "catchup post never lol" tiers of rubbish.
I don't know why we give these kinds of players a free pass.

[Varsoon]

...which is a lie, really--I know exactly why we give these players a free pass. The site meta trends towards not thinking such play is so egregrious that it deserves a lynch.
Furthermore, the player has done nothing 'wrong', they just have done

nothing

. The problem is that with less content and engaged posting, it's harder to figure out if a slot is worth lynching as the game goes on. Since even town players can fall into this excuse-making trap of never actually playing the game, it runs entirely as a trend that's anti-town. Scum simply have an advantage in large games on this site because we don't crack down on people for checking out and never being caught up.

I've literally seen players like Koggz spend the entire game 'catching up' and never getting votes for it despite being scum.

It's shitty and contrary to the rhetorically engaged aspects of Mafia that draw me to the game. If the most attractive strategy is just not to play, that sucks for everyone.

[Varsoon]

The problem is that the majority of the players in this game don't care, which means we can't just policy lynch all the people that refuse to generate content.
So it's a bust. :/
Regardless, let's focus on the game at hand.

[Varsoon]

ANY wagon needs to be very mainstream in this game, Nos.
Welcome to a 27 player game.
Being contrarian isn't going to make you more likely to catch scum.

[Varsoon]

Same.
I'm not fond of how the whole bait thing was handled by either side. People seemed to be going far out of their way to defend or to lynch bait.

[Varsoon]

I agree, Dwlee could use a lynch here as well.

[Varsoon]

I agree on that, too. The whole thing turned out awkward for a lot of the people involved.

I think we need more focus. While wagon-mongering usually bothers me, I do think we need people to focus on only one or two wagons.
There's no reason for us to have votes on half the players. There should be two or three wagons to choose out of--not 10 or more.

[Varsoon]

That Karma Dog sure is curious.

[Varsoon]

I mean, ideally, everyone wants everyone who isn't them to be dead, right?
But yeah I buy it.

[Varsoon]

Are you saying Kuroi is town?

No, I don't think they're human.

[Varsoon]

I'd be willing to compromise on TTH is Kuroi got more votes.

[Varsoon]

@CakeEffect: I'm more confident that TTH is scum than Kuroi. If Kuroi gets more votes than TTH, I'd be willing to vote Kuroi. Otherwise, I'm sticking to TTH.

[Varsoon]

I'm glad that KTS supports Spiffeh's garbage idea that one of Beeboy or I is lying.
Because, y'know, we would both definitely lie about being the only confirmable races in this fudging game.

[Varsoon]

Just copy an 's' or an 'S' from one of us and then paste it when you have to use one.
EZ PZ

[Varsoon]

VOTE: kuroi

[Varsoon]

@Ranger: I agree.
But due to the nature of the setup, that doesn't really mean that Kuroi and TTH aren't both just players who could use a lynch.

[Varsoon]

The journal article thing is false. I'm Turian.
Also, last night, I used a Lightning Rod action but I guess I was blocked?
Any kills redirected to me would have failed.
I investigated TTH-they are not Turian.

[Varsoon]

I kinda hope a bunch of jerkbutts just buy into the mod-poster's bullship 'cus I was kinda hoping I'd die N1.
I guess

someone

sees me as a threat and wants everyone to spend a lynch on me.

@Nahdia: I gotta figure I was blocked or the actions that did happen could go through redirects.
But yeah, I was hoping to soak up all the kills for N1.

[Varsoon]

@E&A: It's actually way better if whatever sniveling coward it is public claims their guilty on me. I'd rather a 1v1 than some jerk insulting my intelligence in public.
For anyone to buy the whole "Varsoon claimed Turian despite not being Turian thing" hinges solely on them expecting that I am some kind of absolute idiot.
I like gambiting, but there's no gambit around fake-claiming something that you're not in a game confirmed to have multiple cops who can check that.
So yeah.
It's rubbish
Whoever made that mod note
I'll find you
and I'll give you a goddamn nuggie.
I'll bully you so frickin' hard.
Expect Indian Burns and Purple Nurples for years to come, ash-hole.

[Varsoon]

My role is nearly worthless now anyway--I'm a claimed Turian with no more uses of my power.
I'd prefer to just 1v1 a chump faking a guilty on me at this point.
Or bite an NK.

[Varsoon]

Modposter's not going to claim because the second I flip Turian, they are insta-lynched.
As far as I'm aware, since I'm one-shot (and not one-use, which is a distinction the mod makes), my one-shot was a failure due to the block and so it's gone.

Who gets lynched now, E&A?

[Varsoon]

@Party Boat: Reading comprehension is important, homie. My lightning rod redirects everything to me but makes any redirected kills fail. In this way, I can keep my allies who are likely to be killed (Turian and Human) from getting killed.

@Elsa and Anna: If no one claims an inno on me because no one investigated me, that doesn't make me non-turian.
Even if someone claims a guilty on me (which they won't because that would force a 1v1 that they lose at this point in the game), that shit is still false because I am a Turian.
Every player has a Human fake claim. When I claimed, I gave both my Turian full flavor name and my human fake claim. There is no way I would have both unless I was a Turian.
Try harder to strongarm my lynch, but you're quickly digging your own grave here.


P-EDIT:
At least Nahdia gets it.
Also:

VOTE: TTH

[Varsoon]

unless no other turians targeted him

so your suggesting Turians went rouge and are backstabbing us by not doing the only thing they should have done to confirm one player for the rest of the game?

Not quite interesting way of thinking about this

~Elsa

There are three other Turians that aren't me.
If I wasn't me but in the position they were in N1, I wouldn't investigate me on the basis that "One of the other Turians will do it and it'd be a waste if we all did it."

So it's not so improbable.

[Varsoon]

I'm cool with an Elsa and Anna lynch now.

[Varsoon]

wtb a vig shot on Elsa & Anna

[Varsoon]

If you were human, you'd want to lynch your actual enemies--the Solarians, Geth, and Krogans.
Right now you're admitting that you think I'm Turian but you're creating a scenario where you want to strongarm a lynch on me anyway.
That sort of shit is super duplicitous and not likely to come from a town/human mindset.

[Varsoon]

Except it is negotiable.
You trying to strongarm this whole thing by creating ultimatums is super scummy.

[Varsoon]

They promised to help humans. That's the only fucking reason Varsoon didn't got lynched yesterday.

~Elsa

I didn't get lynched because I am on the 'town' side of the game and verifiably not a killing-or-Geth faction scum.
I'm worried you're actually this foregone and not just pretending.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

The amount of tunneling on me coupled with how the modpost specifically tries to set me up to be lynched by people who only think on a basic level coupled with your basic-level ultimatum makes me heavily convinced that you're just not an ally at all.

P-EDIT: Your recent posts and outburst are clear of how frustrated you are now that I've outed your rubbish.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon honestly the one thing that makes me repeatedly lose faith in u is how u keep trying to scumframe E&A. pretty sure they're just a headstrong, philosophically incorrect human.

Ooooor they're cashing in on being headstrong and anti-town.
Like they do in every damn scumgame they play.

[Varsoon]

'rubbish'

shoo.

I can't believe that you'd trust an anonymous shitposter rather than an actual person claiming.
That's not a town mentality.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, the only person who should be able to confirm that I'm not-Turian is another Turian (unless there are race-cops independent of the ones outlined in the public setup), which MEANS they should claim the guilty publicly anyway because they're definitely not aligned with me.

So you either believe that there is a Turian who can mod-post and used their Racecop but won't out themselves to claim the guilty (which makes absolutely no sense from a Turian PoV)
or
You believe that someone can BOTH Modpost and Race-Cop in the same night, which shouldn't be allowed since that's submitting multiple non-factional actions at night.

[Varsoon]

Sketchy-as-fuck?
I've been 100% genuine all game.

[Varsoon]

"Can the Asari/Turians use their cop and a night action on their card in the same night?

Answer: Yes".

Yeah, you can use your FACTIONAL action and a personal action in the same night.
You just can't use multiple personal actions in a single night.
For instance, if I was a JoaT, I couldn't just blast off all my JoaT abilities in one night.
Because that would be broken.

[Varsoon]

No actually this is retarded.

there are TWENTY-FIVE people alive in this game.

if varsoon is scum he'll get outed and die for it in the next few days regardless, it doesn't actually matter whether he gets lynched today or tomorrow with 7 other scum in the game even assuming he is scum.

So E&A chill the fuck out and stop spamming the thread or I'll just vote you instead of Dwlee who you should probably be voting anyway. Your argument's out there for making him dead, but there's no need to spam everything and make the game even more miserable for the inevitable future replacements.

Basically this 100%.
E&A's stubbornness over this coupled with the mod-post lie make me fine with a lynch on the slot.

[Varsoon]

If you're human, you're dragging the entire game down over your absolutely anti-town push and rationale.
If you're non-human, then you're my enemy and using this stubborn, aggressive push as a means of looking town.
Either way, you're a problem and a liability right now.

If a Turian claims an inno on me, you have no other option but to back off.
Acting like you're sensible by making an ultimatum of lynch unless a Turian claims an inno is terrible.

I'll let this go for now, though, because it's getting us nowhere. I'll hope that another Turian checked me. If not, whatever, lynch me if you can, I'd welcome it at that point.

VOTE: TTH

[Varsoon]

I'd really like for Elsa and Anna to drive through a lynch on me so I can make them eat their words.
That sort of self-serving self-meta rubbish is the kind of trash that makes my blood boil.
You can't justify garbage play by pointing to another game where you lucked out or did well.
That game isn't this game and you're literally wrong in this game.
If you're town, you're being stubborn and putting far too much stock in yourself and you'll lose this game for us.
If you're scum, you're relying on everyone writing you off as a baddie while you push crummy mislynches on people who wouldn't get lynched otherwise.
Either way, you're a liability and I'm frustrated with the entire thing.

Can we just be cool?
Can we just be chill?

[Varsoon]

I agree. If a Turian claims an inno on you I will unvote.

One of you will get shot by opposing scum.

If that doesn't happen you are done.

Stop trying to get other Turians to out themselves so you can direct your kills better.

[Varsoon]

I could ISO Ranger but I don't put much stock in doing that sort of relational stuff. I'm no good at it.

[Varsoon]

I am a little drunk but I see guilty on Varsoon and I like that.

Except that it's not a guilty at all because no one publicly claimed it.
When I flip Turian, there's no one to turbo-lynch for lying.
Believing in it is pretty much the worst thing you can do.
But I wouldn't put it past

Asari

filth to push that it is a real guilty rather than some scummy modposter trying to string me up.

[Varsoon]

I thought we were wins-with-human buddies, Beeboy.
You're betraying our friendship, Beebs.
You may be drunk but you're turning me to drinking now

[Varsoon]

Sorry man. I see a guilty that progresses my wincon in all situations so I will try and capitalize on it.

It's an anonymously claimed non-turian result.
I've already covered how it's impossible to be anything but a lie.
Pushing it as truth is either a scum-claim or an idiot-claim.
I can accept you pushing it, because you're Asari, so why not, but that sort of play drives me up a wall.

[Varsoon]

The only people who have Factional Turian cop checks are other Turians.
There's no reason for a Turian with a guilty on me to want to stay private.
It's a lie.

[Varsoon]

I think a Turian should claim an inno on you if you are so convinced you are telling the truth.
That is all I am saying.

If not a single Turian investigated me and, ergo, none of them have an inno on me--or, furthermore, the Turian(s) who investigated me don't want to out themselves so we don't have two confirmed Turians outed, that doesn't make me not a Turian.

[Varsoon]

@E&A: Please stop.

If you keep strongarming this, I will replace out of this game.
Having to constantly have to deal with you being this obstinate is really, really annoying.

@Beeboy: No, because I'm a Turian.
Furthermore, that logic falls apart because they won't eat a kill because I'm a Turian that's outted and I haven't eaten a kill. Krogans/Solarians have more incentive to kill outside of the Asari/Turians because
A) They can win with them.
B) They can either kill one of the other killing faction or they can widdle down the human townbase.


I'm so tired of this.

[Varsoon]

I literally want to do really, really terrible things to you and if I commit them to a post I would be sitebanned so fast it wouldn't be funny.

So, please, stop.

[Varsoon]

Horrible things like this:

[Varsoon]

Varsoon are you worried a Turian won't claim an inno on you?
It is highly likely all 4 (or 3 if you are legit) targeted you last night.
If you are legit 1 will claim an inno on you.

It's less worry and more like
"There's a non-negligible chance that all 3 of the other Turians didn't target me OR don't want to out themselves, OR
due to the fake-guilty on me coupled with people pushing for 'just one turian to come out with an inno or we lynch Varsoon' makes me thing that something could've somehow influenced results."

Doubtful of the last one, since our cop actions can't be framed or redirected, but I get a feeling so complicated.

[Varsoon]

But like honestly
I think I'm warming up to the idea that none of the other Turians should claim an inno on me just so I can get lynched and be done with this game.

[Varsoon]

And that's a kinda lame place for me to be mentally but that's where I am, because I'm halfway to beyond done.

[Varsoon]

Also what am I doing
VOTE: TTH

This dude isn't Turian.
Lynch 'em.

[Varsoon]

But like honestly
I think I'm warming up to the idea that none of the other Turians should claim an inno on me just so I can get lynched and be done with this game.

This is the towniest post I have ever seen

Put yourself in my shoes.
You're outted and hoping to die N1.
You come back to D2 to find out your action was wasted and some person mod-posted the most worthless fake-guilty on you.
Then you have to deal with a gaggle of assholes pushing (but not pushing just being shitlords about the whole HERPADERP YOUR TEAM NOW HAS TO PLAY IN A SUPER INEFFECTIVE WAY OR YOU GET LYNCHED BECAUSE WE'RE LITERALLY DUMB OR ALIGNED AGAINST YOU IN THE SAFE ASARI WAY) you despite the whole anonymous fake-guilty being the shittiest, clearly scum shit since fucking ever I am so fucking mad

[Varsoon]

It's not excuses, it's logical outcomes of all the possible scenarios that there's no inno on me.
But because you insist otherwise, I will continue to find gifs of people being cruel to cute animals to show you how much I can't stand your approach.

[Varsoon]

I don't hate you. I hate your garbage approach that polarizes people and shits on me.
The only other person I'm comfortable voting for is TTH.

VOTE: TTH

[Varsoon]

The journal article thing is false. I'm Turian.
Also, last night, I used a Lightning Rod action but I guess I was blocked?
Any kills redirected to me would have failed.
I investigated TTH-they are not Turian.

What makes you say that? We are missing a NK - you may very well have stopped it - at least you claimed your ability does such a thing.

If my Lightning Rod worked, then both the Vanillize that was claimed and the kill that happened would have to specifically go through redirects.
I'm pretty sure I was just blocked, but we'll see?

Also, great, glad that Mathblade's going to join the gaggle of people who make me want to actually hang myself.

[Varsoon]

@FA_Q2: I can't pretend that I'm worth a damn here, but my attitude is much more along the lines of frustration that anyone would believe in the modpost crap and push it.
If players are all going to just rally behind ignorance and idiocy, I don't want a part of it.
I'll put in my effort and I'm putting in work as of now, so please be encouraging rather than rubbing shit in my wounds.

[Varsoon]

So, what's the consensus? I can believe that Dwlee and DGB are rolecops, but I can't trust they're both on the same faction at all.

[Varsoon]

Thoughts on what, Mathblade?
I think that Dwlee and DGB aren't the same faction.
I couldn't tell you who is top-half or who isn't, though.
I imagine DGB is more likely to be top-half than Dwlee, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

[Varsoon]

I'm not going to spam the thread with pointless speculation.
Dwlee's cop/rolecop claim was stilted and awkward.
I'm not sure how I feel about the wagon--I find myself not agreeing with many of the players on it, but that's how this multifactional game is going to go.
I don't have a clear read on Suzune,
DrippingGoofball's position on the wagon makes the most sense to me,
Nahdia is sketchy to me and seems like they would throw support behind anything with enough momentum,
hebichan had a weird maybe-slip flip flop thing happening and I'm not crazy about their slot,
Cake Effect also feels like they're in the same position as Nahdia--maybe a little more believable for their rhetoric,
Beeboy has made it clear that they're my enemy anyway,
FA_Q2 and you have given me shit today and have proven your approach to this game differs heavily from mine.

So that's pretty much the page I'm on here.
I don't have much to add.
Apologies if that busts your balls or sours your gravy or something.

[Varsoon]

Not like I fucking railed on him or anything and wa the first person to vote him when the CC came to light. Naw. Totally not.

Varsoon I'm totes sad to see you call me sketch when I backed you up, man : ( I'm hurt.

Sorry man, I got snowed by too many scums who just buddied me in the past.
Don't get so bent out of shape. You're not a big scumread of mine. I'm skeptical of pretty much everyone right now.
Ironically, the player I trust the most is Beef boy.

But yeah, whateva
VOTE: Dwlee

[Varsoon]

1. I'm Turian! Settles that, right?

2. Dwlee's the scummier of the two. If one has to be bottom-half in this scenario, I'd call it as Dwlee.

3. Lurkers gonna lurk. Everyone just needs to step they game up. This will be less of an issue deeper into the game, i hope.

[Varsoon]

I don't buy it, Dwlee.
Boy who cries wolf gets eaten by wolf.
Rules of nature, Dwlee.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

No, because no one gets to win with you.
Boy who cried wolf needs to go home.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Dwlee

[Varsoon]

dangit varsoon
UNVOTE:

Please keep digging your grave.

[Varsoon]

OH FFS WHY WAS THE QUOTED.

'CUS YOU'RE BEEFY WITH IT.

Also, what's with this "Don't hammer" bullship? He's claimed Geth and drawing out the game further is only going to make it more unbearable.

Hammer away. Lynch this guy.

Also, @E&A:

[Varsoon]

Nahdia wants to nightkill me and shut me up obviously.

PLEASE shut E&A up.
I'm googling 'animal abuse gifs' because I can't stand their anti-town nonsense.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

I'm glad Elsa and Anna are dead. Thanks to whoever did that. Like, I will literally kiss your feet if we ever meet. It especially pisses me off that they played so strong-arm for my lynch when they were Solarian. Fuck that. Fuck that so hard.

I can confirm that DGB is not a Turian.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Hebichan

[Varsoon]

Also, Beeboy, I know it'll probably come down to Asari or Turians getting to win, and at this point, you seem to be pretty genuine with your whole Asari thing.
I hope that's just the case and you're just my Asari rival and that's fine.
If I find whoever is shitting the game up with the constant anti-Varsoon anonymous messages, though, I will do unspeakable things.
So, Beeboy, if that's you, please stop.
Because I at least like you right now.
<3

[Varsoon]

Like, as in, one of us will have to go and I'm totally cool with it being me instead of you because you've been a bro this game from as far as I can tell.
I mean, aside from that one time you tried to get people to lynch me, bu, y'know, bros fight sometimes.

Also, I am kinda bummed out Nahdia was my faction friend but got offed. I didn't even know.

[Varsoon]

Like, as in, one of us will have to go and I'm totally cool with it being me instead of you because you've been a bro this game from as far as I can tell.
I mean, aside from that one time you tried to get people to lynch me, bu, y'know, bros fight sometimes.

Also, I am kinda bummed out Nahdia was my faction friend but got offed. I didn't even know.

Lol how did you like not know? I said Nadhia is Turian or scum like 10 times in the thread. It is shit like this that makes me think you are a Salarian. Why the hell would you check goofball of all people?

I didn't know because the mod never told me.

DGB counter-claimed a role. I was curious if DGB was part of my faction. I confirmed that they aren't.
Easy peasy.

[Varsoon]

My next target will be you, Mathblade.
This way, the rest of the Turians know to avoid targeting you.
You rub me the wrong way.

[Varsoon]

Can't believe I got caught by a silly mistake like that >.<

People have lost games over stupider things.
Just bite the pillow and take the lynch.

[Varsoon]

I'm glad Elsa and Anna are dead. Thanks to whoever did that. Like, I will literally kiss your feet if we ever meet. It especially pisses me off that they played so strong-arm for my lynch when they were Solarian. Fuck that. Fuck that so hard.

I can confirm that DGB is not a Turian.

Are you claiming to have investigated DGB last night?

Varsoon

, confirm or deny.

Yes. I Faction-Cop'd DGB last night.
Also, someone should kill Mathblade. Everyone who has openly doubted that I'm Turian so far have all been scum.
Flunk 'em.

[Varsoon]

Yes. I Faction-Cop'd DGB last night.
Also, someone should kill Mathblade. Everyone who has openly doubted that I'm Turian so far have all been scum.
Flunk 'em.

I happen to know that only 1 person targeted DGB last night.

Either journal guy is making shit up or you are.

WHAT AN INSANE IDEA
IT'S LIKE THE PERSON PUBLICLY CLAIMING THEIR CONFIRMABLE ACTIONS ISN'T LYING AND THE ANONYMOUS PIECE OF SHIT IS FULL OF CRAP
WHO KNEW?!

[Varsoon]

FAQ is scum mathblade you are correct

People are starting to get it now.

Good to hear that. What do you think of my Salarian theory for Varsoon?

Absolute bullshit because I'm turian.
Fuck yourself.

[Varsoon]

Like on the TTH thing, the way she just outed evidence someone is lying with Varsoon there looks quite townie to me
And the fact Spiff just made a really scummy replace out after tunneling her as well

-SC

OH YOU MEAN SOMEONE BETWEEN ME AND THE FUCKING SHITHEAD ANONYMOUS JOURNAL IS LYING?

WOOOOAH THAT'S A FUCKING CRAZY CONCEPT INDEED
ALMOST LIKE IT WAS TOTALLY FUCKING EVIDENT FROM THE SECOND THAT ASSHOLE POSTED.

[Varsoon]

I agree with beefboy. Anon guy should just reveal himself if he is telling the truth.

He's not telling the truth.
Fuck, did you not read anything I wrote on D2 where I explained he won't come out and 1v1 me?
Unless I'm the last Turian around, that shit isn't happening.

[Varsoon]

oh right varsoon was immune to bullets night one.

This is actually really important for finding the priority scum (Salarian) as that means that they killed Ranger N-1

Unless I was blocked.

[Varsoon]

And I wasn't immune to bullets.
I used a LIGHTNING ROD action that redirect ALL OTHER ACTIONS TO ME.
The fact multiple actions have been confirmed to resolve on players that weren't me means I was probably blocked.
Furthermore, any kills redirected to me would have been ineffective, but any kills targeting me before my redirect would have been successful.

[Varsoon]

@CakeEffect: If you think the ANONYMOUS SHITPOSTER seems legit, I don't even know how to deal with that. I mean like. How? I swear. That shit frustrates me.

@MathBlade: I checked TTH on Night 1. I didn't know that blocks affected the Faction Cop--I guess a block is not a redirect or a frame, so I would know if I was blocked? Ugh, now I have to talk to the mod. Also, how are you confirmed town? The mod never came in and confirmed you. Explain it to me again.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon what is your read on Suzune?

I feel so ignored on this topic.

Suzune don't bother me none.

[Varsoon]

Confirmed town because yesterday

And I know exactly what a block looks like considering I was last night obviously so yeah. *rolls eyes*

'because yesterday' doesn't cut it. Why are you 'confirmed town'?
'cus your focus on repeating it is sketchy as fuck.

Modposters can be town Varsoon <.<
I agree Suzune is scum-ish but she's not top of my list right now

-SC

No, the modposter is a piece of shit and my enemy, and, therefore, town's enemy.

3/4 pagetops in a row
Get rekt Varsoon

-SC

I'm not trying to pagetop in this game because I was hoping I'd die N1.
Winning a competition that's not even being held sounds pretty lame.
All of you guys are so lame.
Can we please just lynch CLAIMED SCUM, hebichan?

[Varsoon]

Calling it now:
Cake Effect is the modposter.
Kill them for me.

[Varsoon]

Hey Suzune if you're scum, please kill the modposter so I don't have to get site-banned for doing horrible things in response to them singling me out in the slimiest, most shit-eating way.

[Varsoon]

I learned in Clue Mafia that people don't actually care if you tell the truth, so I don't know why I'm standing by what I've said so much--it's not like the fact that something is true makes other people care any more about believing it. So, thanks for believing in me, I guess.

[Varsoon]

(and if the E&A hydra is reading from the grave I don't mean to be a

complete

ass, but holy shit I want that post-flooding playstyle you were using to die a thousand, thousand times over when it can be used so easily as scum to make the game a miserable, nonsensical slog to read through)

No, you should be a complete ass. That style is infuriating. What's worse is when someone plays that way regardless of their alignment.

@CakeEffect: They're not going to claim unless I'm the last turian because doing so forces a 1v1 between me and them. Even if I die first, they will just eat it the next day if the game doesn't end.

P-EDIT: If you actually were the modposter, Hebi, I do not regret putting my boot down.
Singling people out and lying anonymously is absolutely the slimiest, most frustrating thing.
VOTE: Hebichan
Lynch this garbage.

[Varsoon]

I targeted Klingoncelt with my Faction Cop.
They died. :/

[Varsoon]

VOTE: TTH

Honestly, I'm pretty sure I've already lost the game at this point.
There only way Turians are going to get a win is if the killing factions let us.
What a shit show.

[Varsoon]

Because I'm a guaranteed variable, Skybird.
They're going to shoot at people who aren't me until I'm the last one left, then they can control how the game goes.
That's why I told the rest of the Turians not to claim, because it just lets scum direct their kills better.

[Varsoon]

Oh, I'm not giving up. I'm voting a scumread of mine, TTH, who I know isn't aligned as Turian and who I know is playing towards their scum meta and skating by today.

[Varsoon]

Not human or Turian, so an enemy of mine.

[Varsoon]

I will explain how she is scum later but I probably don't have time today.

You have all the time in the world.
Explain.

[Varsoon]

Nos targeted me with his message night 2 and no one has counter claimed this so I actually am conf town right now

How does this make you confirmed anything?
Especially if you're that disgusting modposter?

[Varsoon]

Also Varsoon who did you shoot with the gun I am assuming Klingon gave you?

I didn't get a gun.
If I did, I'd shoot you <3

[Varsoon]

If I had a gun, it'd be done.

[Varsoon]

Man, I was watching some youtube videos about film direction (thanks Cerb) and then youtube recommends me this guy's "Most Boring Taste In Anime" video
And I gotta say, that dude is a contrarian loser.
Mostly because he rags on people for enjoying Yuasa's shows and Cowboy Bebop.
I can get being peeved that people are pretentious online and that makes actual discussion difficult at times--talking about what shows you enjoy shouldn't be a pissing contest.
That said, if someone enjoys something, fuck you for hating on them enjoying that thing, random internet dude
Also, I've got to post this here to vent, as he disabled comments on his video (likely due to the fact he knows he's being contrarian and baiting hard).

Here's a depressing anime image to counteract the stuff Shiro's pumping out.
It's also the driving philosophy behind my thesis.


Also, I have nothing to add here. I guess I could start trying to strongarm people into this TTH lynch, but it seems inevitable?
Everyone, let's just lynch TTH, okay?
Good? Good.

[Varsoon]

@Skybird: Just put your vote on TTH now.
That way, more people will follow suit.
If we wait to the deadline--that's what scum wants, because then the game becomes drawn out, town loses interest, and there may be no lynch.
If you're willing to lynch the slot, what are you holding out for?

[Varsoon]

Still just phone posting/ comp down.

Someone explain to me how killthestory is getting a pass?

I will read suz's iso, why is she scummy though?

When you have ten ugly ducklings and you can only strangle them one at a time, you start with the ugliest.
That's why.

[Varsoon]

I'd lynch literally anyone who isn't me.
Screw off with that sadness rubbish.
This is a six faction game.
Everyone should be willing to lynch pretty much everyone else.