STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Titus]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

I'm not. Are you?

Yeah, I'm a Crystal Gem Miller.

Cool to know, Bevauae you obviously lack flavour knowledge to imply you are a gem(as you said Peridot is corrupted) and forgot that town is aligned with earth not crystal gems in this game like the previous ones.

Scumslip extraordinary.


[image redacted]

Right here, Farside. Shiro is going after Klingon for the same mistake she made in Suikoden.

[Titus]

Like look,

Are you going to answer why you townread Math now?

[Titus]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

I'm not. Are you?

Yeah, I'm a Crystal Gem Miller.

Cool to know, Bevauae you obviously lack flavour knowledge to imply you are a gem(as you said Peridot is corrupted) and forgot that town is aligned with earth not crystal gems in this game like the previous ones.

Scumslip extraordinary.


[image redacted]

Right here, Farside. Shiro is going after Klingon for the same mistake she made in Suikoden.

See again kling didn't scum slip and never said what you claimed she did.

I never said I agreed with the slip but I said Shiro's push isn't reachy or scum indicative.

[Titus]

@Farside: Klingon mentioned she didn't know what AUA was. AUA is equivalent to town.

Klingon here says we fight for crystal gems when we fight for Earth.

See here you said kling used those words.
That is incorrect, it was Shiro interpretation of it that way.
That's not the same.

We literally just quoted it. All 3 of us have.

Are you going to explain why you townread Math now?

[Titus]

Like look,

Are you going to answer why you townread Math now?

Did Shiro explain the scum read on math?

Nope.

You can suck it.

You see, Shiro isn't throwing shit to divert and didn't townread scum already.

If you're town...

If Math is town, you might be able to save them.
If Math is scum, you're getting in the way.

If you're scum...
If math is town, you're whiteknighting.
If math is scum, you're scum flailing.

You've had zero problem telling me I am wrong before. Why not here? Why do you townread Math?

[Titus]

@Farside: Klingon mentioned she didn't know what AUA was. AUA is equivalent to town.

Klingon here says we fight for crystal gems when we fight for Earth.

See here you said kling used those words.
That is incorrect, it was Shiro interpretation of it that way.
That's not the same.

We literally just quoted it. All 3 of us have.

Are you going to explain why you townread Math now?

Stop lying.
Dear lord women.
Nothing you quoted showed why Shiro was scum reading math.

And that's not what you asked for. You asked for Shiro's Kling push.

I am too lazy to get it but we had this discussion when Shiro voted Kling.

Math is the wagon of the day, not Shiro.

[Titus]

I'd pay players just to read the last 2 pages and watch how Titus goes from saying kling made a comment she didn't, saying she never said found Shiro point scummy to saying Shiro made a town read on math.
That's just amazing shit

1) You and I both quoted it
2) Shiro's push on Klingon is town as fuck. It's the same one FireKari made on Klingon in Suikoden.
3) I didn't say Shiro townread Math.

Now, why won't you answer your read on Math? There's zero reason not to. You have had CoolDog/Math at null all day and pushed elsewhere. You have never given a read there. To save Math and lynch Shiro, you would need to explain why we should not lynch Math. Yet, you won't.

[Titus]

You know because the dude is about to be lynched and your voting him Shiro, I'd think hey if your not sure if that's not scum then maybe read what they say.
Not difficult given how much shit math got upon replacing for not getting through over 150 pages or more.

That's not why Math is being lynched.

Now what is your read on them.

[Titus]

@Farside, Both allege Klingon forgot the line in the town win condition. It's close enough where I would see Shiro pushing it.

Now, asking where you stand and why on the day's lynch is filler? Really?

In fact, I gave a "reasonless" townread on RR or one that was weak as fuck this game. You know what I also didn't do; attack people for scumreading RR or accuse them of not listening. When I had no choice, I gave a reason.

So what excuse do you have for not voting Math or explaining why?

[Titus]

Actual alliances found
Titus/yume
Fuzzy/grapes
Almost/shiro
Creature/Snarky
McMenno/Mastina
Kraska/NC

Tentative
Rr/random

Recommended
Klingoncelt/KTS
Dgb/Farside
TheWayItEnds/Skybird
X/Twin Wings

Alliances revised

X see creature's last post

Varsoona: can you delete my last post before this one? It is garbage due to formatting.

Is this accurate? Did Twin Wings really say they wanted to ally me?

No. Creature just left to ally Snarky.

I went through and put the rest together in a hurry.

[Titus]

Awwww poor Shiro you can't handle the push but everyone else apparently needshe to be on point.

Well, judging but the popularity of your wagon on me, I dare say I am handling it just fine.

There is always day 3.
If I live.

I am never voting Shiro before you barring an investigative result.

[Titus]

aren't they at L-1

Nah, DGB put them at L minus 1 unless the mod doesn't count the vote.

DGB voted CooLDoG though, so I don't know if that would count.

That is why I asked the mod for a VC.

[Titus]

So Titus, why is math scum that has nothing to do with cooldog?

You mean where Math says lynch kraska right now, but never votes them?
The awkward push on me that's recanted after the vouch but then Math starts trying to postulate that all 3 of Mastina, Yume and I are scum.
The constant complaints about lack of time to copy paste the player list and label who is town or scum but they have the opportunity to suck up to your baseless attack on Shiro.
The terrible OMGUS on grapes.
The copying of Cakey's pushback on me.
The complete lack of suspicion that you're whiteknighting them.

[Titus]

Math has been the towniest player to occupy that slot so far. which is not a big accomplishment, but is worth noting.
i don't like their reads but they should not be hammered not when they are actively doing their best to catch up. i disliked lines where Math said they knew they would be mislynched, and language where they referred to themselves and the town as 'us townies'.
but the anger upon the 'hammer', what they said about being asked to replace in... and really. their entire vibe makes them seem like they want to get their thoughts down.

They're stalling.

If they wanted to get thoughts down, they would have replied to the request that I made for gut reads repeatedly. They've replied in such a manner where it is impossible to tell where they are, and they keep crowing busy.

There is going to be anger at being lynched. Math!scum feeling like they could get out because they are my sibling without providing reads is anger at bring caught. Cakey had the same anger.

[Titus]

So Titus, why is math scum that has nothing to do with cooldog?

You mean where Math says lynch kraska right now, but never votes them?
The awkward push on me that's recanted after the vouch but then Math starts trying to postulate that all 3 of Mastina, Yume and I are scum.
The constant complaints about lack of time to copy paste the player list and label who is town or scum but they have the opportunity to suck up to your baseless attack on Shiro.
The terrible OMGUS on grapes.
The copying of Cakey's pushback on me.
The complete lack of suspicion that you're whiteknighting them.

1) catch up posting not scummy I don't vote till I'm done reading a game.
2) not scummy. Scum pushing that is dumb.
3) ummm it's called interacting with others. How many times have you seen players replace and nor even bother reading the game? Or doing shit?
4) omgus isn't a scum tell.
5) your abbressive towards players I get the attitude.
6) who cares? Being suspicious of those on the wagon is 100 times more likely to happen.

I have 30 years of meta on the point. Math will vote.
So, I should give my sibling a pass for being dumb? Dumb cannot be scum? Bullshit.
If they are not going to bother, they say so.
Yeah, but it's an indicator when handled the way Math did it.
Yeah, here we go a dig at Titus push so it has to be town. I have asked more about their reads than anyone. They are not going to give coherent reads.
Yeah, town math is paranoid of those whiteknighting them. It's not here.

[Titus]

So you should stop posting Farside and trying to derail wagons on scum.

[Titus]

So Titus, why is math scum that has nothing to do with cooldog?

You mean where Math says lynch kraska right now, but never votes them?
The awkward push on me that's recanted after the vouch but then Math starts trying to postulate that all 3 of Mastina, Yume and I are scum.
The constant complaints about lack of time to copy paste the player list and label who is town or scum but they have the opportunity to suck up to your baseless attack on Shiro.
The terrible OMGUS on grapes.
The copying of Cakey's pushback on me.
The complete lack of suspicion that you're whiteknighting them.

1) catch up posting not scummy I don't vote till I'm done reading a game.
2) not scummy. Scum pushing that is dumb.
3) ummm it's called interacting with others. How many times have you seen players replace and nor even bother reading the game? Or doing shit?
4) omgus isn't a scum tell.
5) your abbressive towards players I get the attitude.
6) who cares? Being suspicious of those on the wagon is 100 times more likely to happen.

I have 30 years of meta on the point. Math will vote.
So, I should give my sibling a pass for being dumb? Dumb cannot be scum? Bullshit.
If they are not going to bother, they say so.
Yeah, but it's an indicator when handled the way Math did it.
Yeah, here we go a dig at Titus push so it has to be town. I have asked more about their reads than anyone. They are not going to give coherent reads.
Yeah, town math is paranoid of those whiteknighting them. It's not here.

1) poker mafia, recent game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Didn't vote replacing in.
2) your just arguing to argue.
3) through the rest is just an oppinion.

1) They also didn't advocate lynching anyone immediately. Math plays a lot like I used to. They knew no hammer but they wouldn't vote Kraska. Don't think so.
2) You're projecting.
3) Nah, it's all pretty substantiated in the thread, just like the Cakey lynch was.

When will you stop spamming and start listening.

CoolDog was scummy.
Loopdan promised a powerful role we would want to keep alive.
Math failed to deliver reads or the powerful role and started AtEing and trying to paint me as unreasonable, the same thing Cakey did.
Math had a shitty push on grapes.
A call to lynch Kraska without voting there.
Then, they jump on the only other vocal suspicion.
Yet, they cannot find the time to give gut reads.

Hogwash.

You're either a) townreading Math because I am pushing it or b) scum whiteknighting

[Titus]

Nc: Titus seems to think Shiro caught kling in a scum slip.
She referred to a game that kling made a scum slip to the one here.

Anyways I looked at the same Titus reference with kling.

Pretty sure she is regarding to the part here:

Joined: September 28, 2014
Location: Under A Raging Moon
Pronoun: She
Post Post #471 (isolation #23) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:53 pm

In post 469, Titus wrote:
So are you AUA?

Not answering anything about my role. Also, why could you even guess masons when I have said Elbrin is scum?


What is AUA?

You and Elbirn have an obvious connection. There are the 4 possible connections I listed. I forgot about Cult. Cult makes 5.

My question is how was what kling said this game the same at all when you clearly see the eye roll smiley?

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

I'm not. Are you?

Yeah, I'm a Crystal Gem Miller.

Just for refer this is the post that Shiro attacked this game.

I don't see anything similar to this but maybe I'm bias.
What do you think?

Do read the context there NC.

Klingon forgot town was AUA in Suikoden.
Klingon forgets we fight for Earth here, if Shiro is accurate.
I disagree on the interpretation, but the push by Shiro there is townie.

[Titus]

i don't think Shiro's push there in particular was scummy. it also is really not a slip, unless there is another post where Klingon forgets ghat isn't this one.

Here's the other issue, Titus was the player saying that was why Shiro was scum reading kling.
She doesn't allow Shiro to speak for herself and defends her with excuse after excusr.
This includes the meta references I gave that she still bypasses repeatedly.

No. Shiro has spoken for themselves. You're spamming and

STILL

avoiding stating why Math should be townread with a Russian roulette of bullshit that we play whack a mole on.

Why won't you answer why you townread Math? You act as if I am the only one scumreading Math and ignore everything that you cannot dismiss out of hand.

[Titus]

Farside is probably just scum or an impossible townbeard. Was Firebringer scumreading Farside?

[Titus]

Farside: Attacking a case =\= explaining your townread.

[Titus]

Great. We're not lynching Klingon though today, so why is this discussion happening?

[Titus]

No it really isn't ok. People are having trouble catching up. The day needs to end. We shouldn't be stalling with bullshit anymore.

[Titus]

Hey Math, you got an ally yet?

Math's ally is rope.

[Titus]

Here's my question/concern.
Tit's on 2 different people had indicated how scummy it is not to give reads or explain a read but when Shiro doesn't explain she doesn't push Shiro to respond or get it done or get umber aggressive on Shiro.
Can you tell me why that's not suspicious.
Putting the fact that Cakez was scum and others pushed that too to the side for a momeny.
Why does Titus get to dictate who need to provide information right this second and who should skate by?

Yeah, well it would help if you stopped lying. With you, you refuse to explain why Math is town while demanding pages of information to defend Klingon while arguing I am interceding on Klingon's behalf. You don't get to choose to answer only the questions that are convenient Farside.

[Titus]

I wish Varsoona would be here so we can stop this nonsense.

[Titus]

Wasn't the count I had but I likely went wrong somewhere given so many disagree with me.

[Titus]

Bumping so varsoona has pagetop

[Titus]

Would you vote Math to help me?

[Titus]

@almost, that seems like one hell of a stretch...

[Titus]

Ok so it was l minus 2

[Titus]

I'd also like to note:
farside and Not Chara fighting Mathblade's battle FOR Mathblade are reason for both to be town when Mathblade flips scum (because that'd be incredibly stupid, especially on farside's part), buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

You two are doing exactly that:
Fighting Mathblade's battle for Mathblade.

Why didn't you let MATHBLADE respond to the points against them? Why did you defend them?
Why didn't you see whether Mathblade would defend themselves?

Because, since you did it for them, they have no need to do so anymore, and if they do bother to, they can simply parrot the points

you made for them

.

So while I'm glad you're towning it up with those plays...I'm also ticked off that you did so, not thinking about the consequences of your defense.

Disagree on them towning it up. It seems more like scum boxed in, and they cannot afford a lynch on scum.

My bad.

[Titus]

I guess I am back...
I really thought I was dead.

Hi Fire... welcome back. Where are you reading?

[Titus]

I had been keeping up with the game.
I miss talking to Shiro in our chat.

I guess the "crystal gems" locked me up in a bubble. I thought I was dead just waiting on flip.
W/e, still think that one gem is scum.

Ok, can you give us your thoughts then on Math? Farside? Dgb? Who would king fire lynch?

If you think Farside is town, how can these conversations be less like pulling teeth?

[Titus]

I really thought I was dead.

I suppose I owe you all an explanation.
I do in fact have knowledge about the mechanic which caused Firebringer's removal. This is knowledge that is 100% true--not a guess. I had the knowledge to KNOW about it.
...HOWEVER, I did in fact

misinterpret

an aspect of the mechanic. I thought Firebringer was dead, but I misread. Again. Apologies for the confusion there. I held back from correcting the mistake since I knew it'd be self-evident I had made the mistake when Firebringer would return to the game.

All the same, what I said was largely true: I know what caused Firebringer's removal from the game.
But at this time, it would be best for me to not reveal the details of this.

Ok, can you answer whether it is town or scum? Or is that too much?

[Titus]

Ok, can you answer whether it is town or scum? Or is that too much?

The power causing a lack of a flip was not a scum power. I said this before, and it's still true now.

Ok, so to be clear, the scum kill is missing according to your knowledge?

[Titus]

Meaning fire was not the scum kill?

[Titus]

How can I have Farside not constantly discrediting because it is me?

[Titus]

Oh hi new twin wings.

[Titus]

How can I have Farside not constantly discrediting because it is me?

When Titus stops defending Shiro.


Day 3.

If I'm around and math flips town, lynch Shiro, do not listen to Titus.
Or let Titus continue with the defense.

So basically, you're going to treat me like a piece of shit because I defend town. Ok.

Would it even matter what math flipped or are you still going to tunnel Shiro?

[Titus]

hey guys btw if you get bubbled you can't ally with people.
I basically have been vanilized.
I am useless for rest of the game basically.

Got to hunt down the people locked me up

@mastina, that doesn't sound like town...

[Titus]

Ok, let me know if Fire was the scumkill or not. That's all I need to know. If he wasn't, you'll love the information my flip provides.

[Titus]

I think bubble was scum move

It only makes sense as a town move if you were the scum kill or its a needed doctor of sorts.

[Titus]

Grandma, who is scum? At least 3 names here.

[Titus]

Wtf is this nonsense?

If you full claimed, why be cryptic?

[Titus]

Wtf is this nonsense?

If you full claimed, why be cryptic?

REASONS

I will just wait for your reads then...

[Titus]

Ok, can you answer whether it is town or scum? Or is that too much?

The power causing a lack of a flip was not a scum power. I said this before, and it's still true now.

Ok, so to be clear, the scum kill is missing according to your knowledge?

god, do i wish you were allying with me tomorrow, Titus.

mastin: i read what you've said on Mathblade. in particular, the post about town anger versus scum anger. i guess you could have a point. still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie. did you respond to that, and i missed it?

i have no idea how you're reading DGB as anything but null at best.

At this point, I suspect I may not live to see tomorrow.

If I die, don't lynch Shiro without a guilty and try to work with Mastina on a joint scumread ok? Math is scum sweetie.

[Titus]

still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie.

lolwhat

i explained why earlier. it's paranoid and would be weird to do as scum. even if Mathblade is desperate, why would they do it? there are other avenues.

Wifom.

Math is wierd.

There's a townblock of like 6. 4ish scum left alive. Do the math.

[Titus]

...sweetie?

would you at least consider attempting to ally with me?

I have. Don't get me wrong. I was pulled in at least three different directions. Yume, conftown, wanted to ally with me. Shiro, who I have as a hard townread has wanted to align since Pregame. Then you do too.

Maybe consider leaving a cryptic message with your ally in case of death?

[Titus]

...sweetie?

would you at least consider attempting to ally with me?

I have. Don't get me wrong. I was pulled in at least three different directions. Yume, conftown, wanted to ally with me. Shiro, who I have as a hard townread has wanted to align since Pregame. Then you do too.

Maybe consider leaving a cryptic message with your ally in case of death?

i suppose. i don't see that happening, but ok.

i'm not satisfied with it but i guess i really have asked you as many times as i could.

I understand and it is the towniest thing you've done but I need to link with the masons first. We'll discuss whether I ally with you Shiro or a scumread next. My flip will explain my picks but I understand why you are frustrated, regardless of alignment.

I think day 4 allows for larger alignments.

[Titus]

It is.
from my perspective, you hard defended scum and they hard defend you, never a good look. Yet, you haven't given up, you are still reading and answering questions while reaching out to someone you have as dumb town. The effort you put in suggests frustrated town.

The relationships are what is dragging you down.

[Titus]

Grandma, who is scum? At least 3 names here.

DGB
A50
Shiro
Maybe you.

Ok, suppose all those are town, who is scum?

[Titus]

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

[Titus]

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

You called me scum yesterday mostly from disagreeing with you.

I suspected you, because you made no sense but even then it was moonlogic to me.

[Titus]

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

You called me scum yesterday mostly from disagreeing with you.

I suspected you, because you made no sense but even then it was moonlogic to me.

Suspected nc, suspected creature, still doing that one, suspect cool, me, Fire, math, kling.
Basically anyone that calls you scum.
Wow omgus

Fire never called me scum.
I suspected Klingon for doing nothing. She OMGUSed. There are so many red flags there but indicators would scum be this bad.
NC I suspected for their reactions with RR/Creature and still a hair from Cakey interactions.
CoolDog I suspected for reasons laid out in the thread. Math has basically been off their rocker since Subin. Yume and Mastina scum. Really?

You have spouted so much bullshit and make it impossible to have a basic human conversation. Even now, you attempt to paint my scumreads as OMGUS when it's clearly not the case. You're forgetting also Kraska, or is that OMGUS too.

You're basically just selling this omg big proud Titus, fuck her she sucks. It makes it damn near impossible to communicate.

[Titus]

I think day 4 allows for larger alignments.

Many a player are either hinting or explicitly advocating this, but I have nothing in my role PM to indicate such for me. It probably is a D4 ability for some though.

First post, alliance rules.

[Titus]

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious. Why are you scumreading them?

Last sentence makes no sense please restate it.

Your reads look like, rather than scumhunting, you're more pissed at a townblock existing than scumhunting.

Creature went after Cakey? He voted every other wagon but Cakey until it was inevitable. Cakey resigned after the "you have too many null reads" comment. So where the fork do you get Creature "went after" Cakey?

[Titus]

It is because of this post here. Is it much more likely IMO that RR either influenced FB's removal OR is just dead fucking on with his reads.

What?

Bahhhh.

I am going with Mastina's knowledge that fire being jailed which is double whaaat

[Titus]

RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Ok, so you're saying RR is scum or protected the scum kill?

[Titus]

Spoiler: VCs for Titus

"It's our duty to let those simple people live out their simple lives, without ever knowing the burden of being friends with us."

-Ronaldo,

Full Disclosure

VOTECOUNT 1.01

Reasonably Rational (2):

grapes, Firebringer

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Voting (21):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, McMenno, Seraphim, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"We were about to go chill in the parking lot and freak out some squares."

-Buck

"Oh, but I— I don't have anything against squares. I like all basic shapes."

-Steven,

Joy Ride

VOTECOUNT 1.02

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Chara (2):

mastin2, Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

Farside22

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"And then I found out that the Gems are alien rebels, and there are other Gems out there that want us dead because they think we're traitors. And they tried to take me hostage because they think I'm my mom. And maybe I kinda am? I wish I could talk to Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl about it, but I think they kinda blame me for my mom not being around."

-Steven

"But you always seem so upbeat. You're a real champ, Steven Universe."

-Buck,

Joy Ride

VOTECOUNT 1.03

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Farside22, Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (13):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Don't worry, bro. None of this is canon."

-Uncle Grandpa,

Say Uncle

VOTECOUNT 1.04

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Not Chara, SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

SnarkySnowman, Creature

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

TheWayItEnds (1):

Seraphim

Seraphim (1):

Farside22

Not Voting (10):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"You can't just attack people you don't understand. You have to stick up for them, and listen to what they have to say. You guys always do that for me."

-Steven,

Say Uncle

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

SnarkySnowman (1):

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Wow, I didn't know you wanted to be an actor!"

-Steven

"That's because...
I'm very good at acting."

-Jamie,

Love Letters

VOTECOUNT 1.06

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: I'm a survivor I'm not gon' give up I'm not gon' stop I'm gon' work harder I'm a survivor I'm gonna make it I will survive Keep on survivin'

" Love at first sight doesn't exist. Love takes time, and love takes work."

-Garnet,

Love Letters

VOTECOUNT 1.07

McMenno (5):

CooLDoG, Firebringer, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature

SirCakez (2):

Not Chara, mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Having to settle for less than a pagetop is embarassing.
Less embarassing than infrequent VCs, though.
People should, just, like, not post for several minutes when a pagetop is open.

"Do you understand that cartoon show?"

-Pearl

"I don't understand

anything

anymore."

-Greg,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.08

Reasonably Rational (5):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Creature, Firebringer

McMenno (4):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Well, what do you want? Just tell me and I'll do that!"

-Amethyst,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.10

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

Not Chara (3):

grapes, Skybird, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (3):

DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Firebringer

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"This is an Ancient Sky Arena, Connie, where some of the first battles for Earth took place. It was here that I became familiar with the human concept of being a knight, completely dedicated to a person and a cause. This is what you must become, Connie; brave, selfless, loyal... a knight!"

-Pearl,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.11

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Not Chara (2):

grapes, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofball, Firebringer

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

I've got work today from noon to 6, so don't expect a VC until after that.

"Deep down, I know that I'm just a human—"

-Connie

"--but you know that you can draw your sword and fight."

-Pearl,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

To be clear:
In general, an Event that is beneficial to town will lower the Stress.
In general, an Event that is bad for town will increase the Stress.
Negative (or lower) Stress is reflective of town doing well, but it also tends to enable anti-town abilities and events.
Positive (or higher) Stress is reflective of town doing poorly, but it also tends to enable pro-town abilities and events.
The Scum Team's Factional Events tend to be anti-town Events that require low stress.
The Scum Team's personal Events tend to be pro-town Events that require high stress and are tied to their fakeclaim.
Not every Event will change the stress meter. If an Event does, it will be detailed in that Event's description.

"Back during the war, Pearl took pride in risking her destruction for your mother.
She put Rose Quartz over everything; over logic, over consequence, over her own life."

-Garnet,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.13

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro, Firebringer, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Skybird (1):

Creature

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Farside22 (1):

killthestory

Not Voting (4):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

I am currently searching for a replacement for Seraphim.

"Beach City, a sleepy seaside town. From far away, it looks ordinary, but take a closer look, and you'll start to notice the cracks in the facade."

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.14

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: C’mon already! Can we please lynch someone?!!!!!!1

"You can't make up drama this good!"

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.15

SirCakez (12):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: Let's get dat stress level up too!

" But all the monsters just come here to get you guys, and then wreck things and put us in danger! Beach City would be way safer if you guys weren't here!"

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.16 : LYNCH!

SirCakez (LYNCH):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

For Titus

[Titus]

Look at where creature is when Cakey has a wagon on them.

@Fire, I know. I am really tempted to move off because the logic is that bad but I cannot deal with two Farsides.

RR is scum almost certainly if you were not the scum kill.

[Titus]

@Titus no they are saying RR is town for somehow knowing I wasn't dead. Meaning linked to my imprisonment which should mean scum more than town. It's literal moon logic

No. It isnt.

Not sure how you get scum out of that. Being encased is not alignment indicative of the remover person. How they respond to it is.

We had a hidden flip on lynch 1 until Day 2.
Fire was a hidden flip.
The logical assumption is that Fire was the scumkill, not that the scum kill was healed. Doubly so given I outed my BP to lynch Cakey.
It suggests scum didn't believe me or there's a doc.
Rr reaching the latter is scum indicative.
The only reason we are not lynching RR today is his role can be cooped for town.
---- Titus add ons----
If scum didn't believe me, it suggests someone savvy enough to know BP/macho is one of my favorite gambits. Which majorly points to RR.

[Titus]

RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Yea I could see that being a possible theory.

Not your bottom line justification for your entire read on them.

My reasoning not justification is they are completely consistent in word speech and thought and attempting to poke and trying to stop stupidity. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is getting me to talk is a good thing. Getting Cakez to talk is a good thing as it made A50 and Shiro clear as day.

Whatever you believe keep people talking. Unless you have a guilty a quicklynch is terribad.

Consistency doesn't mean anything

For RR it does.

Rr was inconsistent as fuck at the end of day 1.

[Titus]

Spoiler: rr

here is the entire conversation. i don't think i missed anything. i tried not to repeat posts by grabbing the larger quotes with multiple replies in them.

Spoiler: quotes

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

<snipped.>
you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

The town?

LOL OBI STILL PUSHING THAT THE BP IS FAKE DESPITE 4 PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM IT
keep trying

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

i wasn't expecting you to agree with me on the lie detector. that was kind of a stretch. guilty conscience? ;>
i'm just messing with you.
so you were:
(a) worried about being lie detected
(b) worried about farside, who expressed a VERY strong townread on you, noting that you did something that could possibly be viewed as lying, if she decided to find it suspicious. i mean. her post was absolutely a conclusion. did you think she was reaction testing you? you should have said so earlier.

my conclusions are all implied in my posts, but i am more than happy to speak of them in plain terms.

this is not the only cause for scum SirCakez. it's an addition.
maybe i was jumping at shadows. i'd like feedback. if i made an error here, it was inflating the importance of some of Cakez's wording. 2877 is what made me want to go from 'probing for more scum evidence' to 'this is really very scum, isn't it'.
it's this sense i get as he played today. Titus called it resignation earlier, which is apt.

Bah.

Let me add.

When I CCed Cakez, he said, well I guess you're scum. Resignation.
When RR cased him, he resigned.
When Nc pushed him, he resigned.

Claims are meant to sound good.

Lynch the scum, before I puke.

Given that Almost50 has a stick up his ass, Farside imploded, Fire wants to lynch her for that implosion

And your issue is that I take a counterclaim to its logical conclusion? Holy shit RR.

You were JUST in a game with *4* town BP's, with a total of 5 vests between them. I was in that game too.

That game didn't have a mechanic built in that would allow scum to *always* bypass BP. This game does. The counterclaim thing isn't as straightforward as it might be under other circumstances.

-Cerb

pedit: A50 please answer the other question. The one that will finally sort all this crap out.

Right, and the chunk of us were TOLD that others would be BP upon death. There was no notice of a second BP here. Nor should there be.

Cakey is scum by play which Mastina, NC, myself and others highlighted. You were the first to say he resigned. He resigned in response to my CC. It is that black and white.

...The thing about you being informed of others being BP is WHOLLY IRRELEVANT. The argument about whether or not there would be multiple BP is based upon whether or not such would be balanced/could be expected from the moderator in question. The KNOWLEDGE within town of said BP existing in other slots doesn't affect whether or not it would be reasonable to place multiple BP's against the scum team.

I...don't see any resignation in any of his posting at any point? Maybe Drixx said that earlier? I'm not really sure what you're talking about when you say i was the first to say he resigned. :-/

-Cerb

Got caught up. So this is silly and I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Cerberus I get because his bar for when he will vote for and push someone is calibrated way too high, especially on day one.

Cerberus basically deconstructed SirCakez and SC's resposne was to basically run up a white flag and surrender. This is as open and shut as it gets.

VOTE: SirCakez

Can some people please de-ass their heads?


@Mastin - I had an evisceration of you worked up in a draft, but I'm not going to post it. Instead I'm going to tell you that you're wrong about us and you need to re-assess. You yourself said that we rock when we're doing our thing (in reference to SU) and we're doing our thing. Cerb and I have already written a novel length amount in our discussions, and that's with him being more restricted in his new job and me dealing with a stage 2 decubitus Ulcer (Google at your own risk). You initially thought my push on Firebringer was bad or something (only reason I recall you ever giving for a read on us). Now go look at my day ones and you'll see me push people for things that catch my attention a lot. Sometimes they're town; sometimes they're not. The point is that it's

precisely

what I do, despite your assertion to the contrary. Furthermore, just

ISO Firebringer

for yourself ... I rest my case. Something's WAY off on that slot, and it hasn't gotten any better (apart from him dropping the nasty attacks, but I credit that to Varsoon's intervention).

I'm fairly confident given Cerb's work in making the case and the way SC responded to it that if we can get that lynch through he'll flip scum, and I think you had SC in your early scum pool, so good on you if we're both right. But you didn't give the rest of us any reason to follow you. Basically your entire ISO is your ego and you being snide or sarcastic or both, and I can only assume that's because you stumbled into being basically conftown; you don't behave like normally in my experience. None of it is what I would expect from an essentially confirmed town player of your caliber. You can do way better. There's no reason that you have wasted the day away with nonsense instead of giving people reason to believe you and follow you.

A few things you should consider:

1.) Titus reading me as town is tantamount to a verified miracle. This is like some Mother Theresa healed me of cancer level miraculous. She's told you repeatedly that she has really strong reasons. You should listen to her. She has seen a ton of stuff from us that you haven't (and you won't until post game unless we somehow end up conftowned and you ally us so we can talk safely).

2.) I'm working on the assumption that we've got scum in SC and just need to get enough people to read Cerb's case or just sheep us or you or both of us or whatever. That's going to lower stress more. We can't trigger our event (Beach-a-palooza) without stress being at +1 or higher. The only way we can pop it tonight is if we're wrong about SC and there is a town death and no scum deaths at night, in which case the event will trigger and you'll see the full details when exposition phase starts tomorrow. (We checked with Varsoon and we can attempt to trigger it and if the stress condition is not met it simply does't happen and we don't lose it).

3.) Read my ISO. Titus revealed what I believe to be the least useful thing about our event. I revealed what I believe to be the most useful thing. There's other things. I'm not going to elaborate for obvious reasons.


From where I sit (I haven't stood in decades; bad joke, I know), you're super confbiased when it comes to our slot. You seem to think that we (ME mostly, since Cerb was opposed to sharing info with Titus hydra at all) somehow hoodwinked Titus into believing we're town. That's a laughable supposition for many reasons, but whatever. As soon as we trigger our event, you'll see why we have been cryptic about it, and you'll also realize why it's a strong reason to believe we're town just for setup spec reasons. Add to that the fact that Titus told you she is town reading us because of our PLAY, and you should have enough to realize you need to reassess.

As far as I'm concerned, we will become obvtown and killed pretty quickly once we trigger our event because once it's obvious we're town, only a scum team holding idiot balls would leave us alive. I also expect that you're going to be protected (unless town protective roles are holding idiot balls), so you should be around and let's just say I have a hunch that you'll be on the receiving end of the cool thing our event does. At that point, if you somehow still haven't shaken yourself out of confbias, then God help us this game.

~Drixx, with love and chocolate chip cookies.


P.S. - I predict that if we get this wagon to actually go and if we're right and SC flips scum, Mastin will ignore the fact that it was Cerb who invested the time to actually make a case and force SC to respond with what can only be viewed as "I surrender" and brag and gloat. It's a shame, but I'm sure a bunch of you are nodding your heads because of past experience with Mastin. The biggest shame is that even though I'm saying this and I'm telling Mastin that she lucked into being conftown and doesn't HAVE to puff her ego up or anything but just freaking be a proper leader, she will ignore it and squander her stutus until scum kill her (Please review the stress mechanic if you don't realize why that could happen really easily).

It was Drixx but your slot.

Since when do you post mega analysis you don't agree to?

We've all seen the resignation Cerb. Why you trying to say otherwise?

It was Drixx but your slot.

Since when do you post mega analysis you don't agree to?

We've all seen the resignation Cerb. Why you trying to say otherwise?

Nothing of what I posted said anything about resignation, and I sincerely don't understand what the resignation argument is or how you all arrived at that conclusion. Nothing of Drixx's post was "mega-analysis", and my own post didn't say anything about said resignation, it noted a number of suspicious things SC had done.

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

First, his BP appears to be conditional, i.e. IF he's in an alliance.

Second, it doesn't make sense to give scum the ability to make their entire team BP, bc I have never seen a TOWN strongman before. It only makes sense to give the TOWN a "feel" of safety, with a scum strongman being able to breach that shield. There's also the very likely possibility that said alliance would include scum in it (be it one on one or one resulting from an event like mine where an ignorant town player gets to pick). Either way, if a kill does occur nobody would be able to tell for certain if it originated from within the group or from a strongman outside it.

I maintain my TOWN READ on Cakez.

Unless you're scum, he cannot make his entire team BP if honest unless they clone you or some shit.
My BP depends on alliances as well.

He said his Season Finale ability allowed him to create a 5 man alliance. That would be a full scum team/majority of scum team BP on what is likely the most dangerous night of the game. But yes, it wouldn't let him create a fully BP team anytime he wanted, only sometimes.

-Cerb

It's your head. You're responsible, RR.

In SU, you spent a lot of time working together to present a united front. Now, you distance yourself from Drixx clearly notating that Cakey had "surrendered". It's your slot, it's as if you said it.

Now, you 180 based on a claim you know is shaky when the mod said claims can be favor gamed? When you and I both know two alliance abilities is stechy as fuck?

Now, you're acting as if multiple BPs are normal?

It was Drixx but your slot.

Since when do you post mega analysis you don't agree to?

We've all seen the resignation Cerb. Why you trying to say otherwise?

Nothing of what I posted said anything about resignation, and I sincerely don't understand what the resignation argument is or how you all arrived at that conclusion. Nothing of Drixx's post was "mega-analysis", and my own post didn't say anything about said resignation, it noted a number of suspicious things SC had done.

would you respond directly to the post where i collected quotes from my recent conversation with Cakez? now, or when you have time tomorrow. would still also like a readslist.

0% chance you'll get a readslist.

Your wall of quotes means nothing to me. I read through it, and I saw nothing of significance.

The entire line of conversation regarding whether or not he saw Farsides suggestion and him correcting her incorrect assumption is worthless. If he, as town, wouldn't have lied about that, then he couldn't lie about it as scum. His points about why scum!him couldn't have risked the lie are valid.

-Cerb

pedit: You're making a *whole lot* of setup speculation off of no flips OWK. That's the problem I have with basically all your thoughts regarding SC's claim. And yes, you're right, in SU we spent a bunch of time making sure we were on the same page all the time, because we had more time to talk. I haven't spoken with Drixx about the game in over 24 hours, and we haven't done much to coordinate posts other than him posting times when he was angry at mastin in our hydra PT so I could tell him to stop wasting his time being mad at mastin. Before he made the post you're referencing ,he didn't talk to me about the conclusions he drew from SC's reaction AT ALL other than to say "x was bad" without any actual details about WHY it was bad, and then he posted said conclusions.

So yes, dissonance is a thing, because we aren't talking enough to wipe it all out.

It would be nice if you answered my question in the PT.

peditx2: FINALLY AN ANSWER. Okay. Thank you. I now have to decide whether or not I believe you seriously missed that, while simultaneously AGREEING that it would be a bad idea if he allied with grapes. And now I know FOR CERTAIN that either you and SC are scum together/lying about what your PT together says, OR that SC's BP granting claim is true.

Math, I spoiled because it is long. Rr basically had Drixx say Cakey resigned. Cerb denied it. They tried to townread Cakey based on their BP working and maintain I was town as well despite the CC.

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Oh Varsoona can you fix the spoiler tag.

V: Got ya back

[Titus]

@Fire/@Grapes, do you think Creature is town?

@Grapes, If we assume that RR is scum for the moment, why didn't the NC wagon take off?

[Titus]

Guys random though about the cluster. Do you think allying counts as taking an action for the purpose of it?

No. Look at the wording again.

[Titus]

@Shiro, Do you scumread RR? The wagons make no sense with RR scum unless we also assume NC scum as well no?

[Titus]

@Shiro, Do you scumread RR? The wagons make no sense with RR scum unless we also assume NC scum as well no?

As of the moment yesterday thar I waa here. I was not. U dunno if something changed though after FB came back

Rephrase? Please?

[Titus]

I want a picture Fire. Preferably with a joke for the queen of moon logic. you have the best pictures.

[Titus]

After I flip town can I has dragon hugs?

Pi could use some hugs.

Ok. You want to prove you're town.

Look at the wagon analysis with the following assumptions

1) Yume, Mastina, myself, grapes, McMenno, almost and Shiro are town.

What the hell happened on Day 1? What are NC and RR's alignments?

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UNVOTE:

As much as Math is driving me crazy, I am concerned scum are whiteknighting here. I don't want to lynch Math because they are stubborn bullheaded and acting like extra scum. That would be lynching the Townbeard. I will likely be revolting Math because I think they are a vote for scum regardless of alignment, I would like to hope they can change. We cannot afford two Farsides.

I was hoping Math would go deeper with the vote analysis because the VCA is troubling. I just cannot get it to fit the common consensus of RR scum NC town. It makes no sense. I keep getting back NC and RR are the same fucking alignment, or NC scum. Both being scum is compelling with the votes.

@Fire/@Shiro

[Titus]

Has it been discussed on possibility that scum went with no kill to start the cluster event and speed it up?

no, because if we started thinking of hypothetical scenarios without evidence, we'll all melt into puddles of theories and assumptions. :>

I will stick you in the freezer to solidify you again then.

My gameplay is guess and check.

[Titus]

Titus are you a dragon?

Nah, I am the camera chick. Impervious to short range bullshit.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

As much as Math is driving me crazy, I am concerned scum are whiteknighting here. I don't want to lynch Math because they are stubborn bullheaded and acting like extra scum. That would be lynching the Townbeard. I will likely be revolting Math because I think they are a vote for scum regardless of alignment, I would like to hope they can change. We cannot afford two Farsides.

I was hoping Math would go deeper with the vote analysis because the VCA is troubling. I just cannot get it to fit the common consensus of RR scum NC town. It makes no sense. I keep getting back NC and RR are the same fucking alignment, or NC scum. Both being scum is compelling with the votes.

have you considered that VCA isn't always correct?
...or both me and Rational being town? why is that option so impossible? why does the common town consensus matter to your reads?
and, finally. if you think scum are whiteknighting Math, why couldn't they have been doing the same to me? SirCakez certainly was.

VCA tells the story of the game. VCA is never incorrect. It only errs with faulty assumptions or improper applications (using VCA to tunnel isn't good but it should mostly be used to clear as townbeards give false positives).

The common town consensus is a check on me going off into Lala land early. I am also trying to be more of a team player as town.

You and RR being town makes little sense. Why does the McMenno wagon pop up at all? And almost none of the voters wanted either of you. Most of the voters on RR and you are cleared/obvtown. Where's the scum? On McMenno d1.

Scum might have been whiteknighting you sure, but with RR scum, they would suddenly stop and try to get you lynched if playing competently. If you and RR were town, why don't scum just make one of you the counter to SirCakez?

It's too early for this to be the final Vc, but I am scratching my head.

[Titus]

i was actually so convinced there was scum on my early wagon because i thought there

had

to be. now i'm just thinking scum wanted to see if they could get a lynch on me that was comprised of all/mostly town.

in fact. in the first SU (the game i will forever bring up for being the only large theme i've read fully), Beer was town and lynched day 1. the only scum on that wagon was Sonic X, if i remember correctly. you were scum in that game Titus. what happened?

Yeah, there were two major town wagons and we let town eat itself. The wagons don't quite match that here though.

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@grapes/fire Did day 1 in this feel like day 1 in SU1?

@NC, VCA involves taking reads/flips, plugging them in and seeing what makes sense supposing a

rational

scumteam under current site meta.

Like, we can look at who is the counter to scum and the populations on wagons and reasses. I usually want more flips. Say, day 3 or so, but the pattern feels off on this.

[Titus]

Why would town KNOW the details of how a scum ability worked? The only scenario I can envision is one where Mastin has a private PT of some sort with someone who is scum, and who used that power on you, and that individual explained how it would work to mastin...

HOWEVER.

MASTIN SAID SHE WOULD ASK VARSOON TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO HER.

That means that whatever power was used, is directly related to her role in some way, because otherwise she would have no expectation of being able to receive an answer.

Therefore...it was a town power.

Barking up the wrong tree(actually, I'm not sure what tree you're barking up, so it might be the right tree...but that reason is wrong).

Maybe you shouldn't post "Full stop" before reading the rest of my post.
Like my posts are like 10% what you post. Its not hard to read.

When I said "I think she is just making shit up" I think she is pretending like she knows more than she does because REASONS. You can say thats stupid or w/e but thats what I think.

she is lying and she has backtracked on her lies at least two times. I think she is town, but she is worthless as someone who has "info" as far as I am concerned.

She knows nothing.

This shit makes me want to scumread you (I am not though). Why are you attacking conftown and their credibility?

[Titus]

This shit makes me want to scumread you (I am not though). Why are you attacking conftown and their credibility?

Then scumread me.
Mastin clearly lied.

Where? Regarding their knowledge?

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@grapes/fire Did day 1 in this feel like day 1 in SU1?

@NC, VCA involves taking reads/flips, plugging them in and seeing what makes sense supposing a

rational

scumteam under current site meta.

Like, we can look at who is the counter to scum and the populations on wagons and reasses. I usually want more flips. Say, day 3 or so, but the pattern feels off on this.

but why does the pattern feel off? that's what i want you to explain.

I cannot fit a plausible explanation for scum that fits with the consensus. It keeps dragging me back to my early reads but adding in maybe RR scum.

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This shit makes me want to scumread you (I am not though). Why are you attacking conftown and their credibility?

Then scumread me.
Mastin clearly lied.

Where? Regarding their knowledge?

You serious?

Where did they lie, yes?

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Nooo. If you're throwing shade at conftown, I have a problem. The goal should be working together, not tearing each other apart.

[Titus]

@RR, Do you think any scum were pushing you? If so whom?

[Titus]

@Shiro,

Can you give me cookies? I am tired. I am going off to bed.

@Mastina,

Just give me a poke if we are still doing this.

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Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too. So that is also out there. And I know he hasn't been posting since like day 1.

Was gonna keep this a secret, but my townread on that slot is in fact far past the point of being stale. It's utterly dead.

But I'd prefer not to focus on them at this time. I was actually gonna save pressuring them for tomorrow.

This makes me feel a tad better on my VCA results.

[Titus]

This makes me feel a tad better on my VCA results.

Where did you do vca and what were ur other results

These last few pages. My conclusion is either scum are really suboptimal or something's really wrong with the conclusion RR scum NC town

[Titus]

VOTE: Mathblade

[Titus]

This makes me feel a tad better on my VCA results.

Where did you do vca and what were ur other results

These last few pages. My conclusion is either scum are really suboptimal or something's really wrong with the conclusion RR scum NC town

Can u give me a tldr on why you think rr is scum?

I waffle.

If he's town, he's legit slow roll and gaining steamish.

Yet, with RR it's about what I don't see. I do not see him boxing out scum. I don't see the consistency with Drixx. I don't see RR voting major wagons or calling the subject town. The swing to DGB by rr was awkward, as if they were seeking a townie endorsement. Cerb's 180 on Cakey at the end of D1 did not sit well.

But then I go back to the wagons and I scratch my head.

[Titus]

Cerb's 180 on Cakey at the end of D1 did not sit well

But then what does he gain by doing a 180 on an inevitable lynch? Especially after casing cakes and putting him in hot water

His buddy surviving and fracturing town in the process.

[Titus]

But then I go back to the wagons and I scratch my head

Which wagons?

Nc, rr, mcmenno

[Titus]

Diplomatic immunity?

[Titus]

Tbh, I am not 100% sure on Math scum. Do you think they are employing emotional manipulation?

[Titus]

"Immunity"? :s
Also wat
Is shadowsrep in this game

They are the new twin wings.

[Titus]

I am headed to bed. Math is at l minus 2 I believe.

[Titus]

How about the post directly before it where I highlight where math cherry picks random shit from creature to townread that doesn't make any sense to someone looking at their play en masse?

Let's review what Math said.

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious. Why are you scumreading them?

Last sentence makes no sense please restate it.

This was in reference to when cakez called creature the perfect null and creature called cakez out on it.

Now how does that make creature scum and math post scummy?

Notice how Titus ignores the question on why they scumread Creature.

Sorry. I forgot this.

Look at Creature's ISO in the abstract. He has the perfect null moment, but leaves the Cakey wagon awkwardly. He gets on when Cakey is surely getting out to l minus 1. He backs out of voting Cakey post claim after my cc and tries to push RR. He tries to pass off my CC as a flavor CC.

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Spoiler: Selected Creature ISO

VOTE: SirCakez

It doesn't make sense for you to whiteknight me and then put me as "perfect null"

I want to lynch Cakez

Anyone supports a scum!grapes?

She always scumreads me as scum and the players she's scumreading looks like a list of who scum should push for a mislynch.

Seriously, look at her scumreads:

ScumReads

Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
Seraphim
SnarkySnowman
Creature

Not Chara is new.
Kraskaesque are a hydra of newer players.
Seraphim and SnarkySnowman are know as lynchbaits.
grapes sees me as extremely lynchable.

It isn't a town readlist, it's a list of who's an easy mislynch for her.

so Obi has a very opportunistic list.

It feels like Cakez is playing like he did as scum in TTH.

Okay, you're town.

VOTE: Obi-Wannabe

^ for Cakez

Scum usually wins Large Theme because there are often a bunch of lynchbaits and scum likes to kill players who put a lot of effort into the game leaving who doesn't want to do anything to LyLo.

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

VOTE: McMenno

So scum will have a free pass by going into the lurkers.

Oh right, Cerberus is doing absolutely nothing, I am down to RR.

Not feeling Cakez there.

VOTE: Rationably Reassional

VOTE: McMenno

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Really want to policy lynch Obi-Wan Kenobi.

If you reveal as innocent child, they'll believe it's a mod lie.

If you flip town, they'll believe you're tailored.

And anyone you think is scum is automatically town for them.

MAGENTA WOLF

HAS DECIDED THAT SKYBIRD SHALL BE THE LYNCH TODAY.

VOTE: Skybird

VOTE: Skybird

VOTE: SirCakez

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

but he can make pro-town players BP.

VOTE: RR

No ally I guess

Votes Cakey for perfect null comment and then proceeds to vote or push almost any other wagon in the game, jumps off Cakey as the wagon gains steam, ignores my bulletproof cc, tries to dismiss my bulletproof as TvT due to mod meta. All of it is awkward.

[Titus]

Each their own for now. Right now I am more focused on MathBlade. Their insistence on scum being within obvtown irks me. Either, they are scum and desperate or town and failing. Either way, I do not want to deal with the headache again. I think their ability is shit too (although others disagree). Their VCA was substandard when I asked them to look at the wagons. Assuming Farside town, their play only serves to keep me v Farside going.

[Titus]

I'll echo the eu struggles

Hits close to home

Reading from page 199, siding with Titus and Shiro over Farside.

Why?

@math: I'm just going off poker mafia. You were right about one of the claims being scum so I don't question your weirdness.

@shiro: that olive branch has snark on it.

@kraska: I don't take offense, I agree that those spamming the thread should cool down the post frequency. I'm just saying I doubt Titus will comply.

Great. You should stop spamming then. I am not. You cannot argue I am spamming when it takes a day and a half to get an answer out of you.

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Each their own for now. Right now I am more focused on MathBlade. Their insistence on scum being within obvtown irks me. Either, they are scum and desperate or town and failing. Either way, I do not want to deal with the headache again. I think their ability is shit too (although others disagree). Their VCA was substandard when I asked them to look at the wagons. Assuming Farside town, their play only serves to keep me v Farside going.

do you think desperate scum Mathblade would still attempt to play the long game by going after conftown/obvtown? when they're about to be lynched?
either way, i think you should drop the point about their role. Loopdan may have seen more powerful uses for it, or may have overestimated it. it's still NIA. and they said they didn't have time for proper VCA.

Yes.bso would stubborn town Math.

@Math, then do a proper VCA supposing Titus, Yume, Mastina, Shiro, Almost, and Grapes are town. Tell me what you see. I don't care about your excuse, I care about your analysis. Right now, I hear excuse after excuse about how you'll come after town at every opportunity. That cannot be allowed to live. This is not extreme multiball. The KPN should remain low and town can just sit down and protect each other.

You're a nuisance at best to that.

[Titus]

Oh right.

VOTE: Shadow_step

MathBlade, I don't know why, but I get a feeling Loopdan replaced out because he got scum (as his town self is usually more active).

I feel math is scum, but let me create this counter wagon over here.

[Titus]

as long I am not townreading them hard.

Are you townreading Math hard?

[Titus]

How about you go fix that then?
^@Creature

Pedit

@K - Twin Wings had one post and foxbird was start of game. I maintain null and time to play.

@Titus -- So questioning the almighty overlord deserves lynching regardless of alignment. Thank you for your brilliant play. (The last sentence is sarcastic)

I had RL for why I didn't read I haven't been in this game that long. I am literally at home wrapped in a blanket sweating out a fever and you want a VCA of lord knows how many vote counts for yesterday and today. That shit takes hours and diagrams which means in essence I don't post or play.

I hate how you have been subtlety suggesting that I should die regardless of alignment. Again PUT YOUR VOTE ON A SCUM READ. Mafia is not a strategy game where you bully people into your opinions. Convince me A50 and Shiro are town because I find that terribad.

I have zero faith in you listening. We've had those discussions ad nauseum in the thread.

It's not really a subtle suggestion.i would lynch Farside in a heartbeat too, given they aren't confirmed town to me.

Mafia is a strategy game. Town live. Scum die. It is just people disagree. Town want town to do what they want. Same with scum.

Why should I keep you alive if all you'll do is attack town through any mountain of evidence? I shouldn't.

[Titus]

as long I am not townreading them hard.

Are you townreading Math hard?

No.

Then why are you voting every wagon but Math, just like Cakey?

[Titus]

@Mathblade I am not debating strategy with you. I can grab you the VCs if you'll do a VCA with the suppositions I gave you. If you're just sitting around attacking town, you have zero use to the thread.

Who do you think is hiding, that is not almost, Shiro, Mastina, grapes, Yume or McMenno? (I do not think I am ever lynching those)

[Titus]

kraska is feeling town again.

@Math, you are not a townread but a headache.

[Titus]

Am I a scumread? Why? Besides disagreeing with you and scumreading you.

There's disagreeing, and then there is posting nonsense like Mastina is scum and there has to be scum in obvtown and ignoring anyone who tries to have a reasonable conversation.

Like Mastina being scum requires Yume lying and that requires me lying about Yume and almost 50 lying about me and hyper bussing Cakey. At some point, you're ridiculous. It's ok to disagree that Almost 50 is scum but Mastina? That's just throwing baseless noise.

You need to start addressing Mastina's concerns and mine as well. Your depth is lacking. Your reason is lacking. Your listening is lacking.

[Titus]

What part of you're not a townread but a pain in the ass do you not understand?

Mastina was confirmed Day 1 by Yume.
Yume confirmed Mastina. They are masons.
I confirm Yume.

The only way Mastina could be scum is with Yume randomly lying about what happened in their PT.
Yume is also confirmed by another slot which I am withholding for obvious reasons.

You have to argue Yume randomly decided to conftown Mastina, for no reason as town, for Mastina to be scum. in addition to that, Mastina has to randomly conftown Yume for no reason.

You keep spouting such nonsense without thinking it through, I give up and cease to care about your alignment. You aren't protown at all.

You could flip town and I would suspect no one that has voted you at this point, your play is that bad.

[Titus]

Yeah, no ally, I forgive Shiro as she might've missed it.

I was allying with Random Creature.

@Mastin

Why are you townreading Almost... like I legit don't get it. I want to be convinced otherwise if I am wrong but I can't.

Shiro pushes their scum buddies but does nothing about it as scum. This is a common trait for Shiro scum. Getting Almost 50's posts that made me think that.

Hey someone else's sees it.
Not just me.

So Titus cares more about spamming and demanding players do thing now but makes it impossible for anyone to catch up.
Discuss

Another spam post that whines about spamming. Does this forward anyone's understanding of the game? No. It's just another dig at town and cheerleading on the person who is spouting nonsense that happens to agree with you. People are catching up fine, but you could always make it easier by responding to direct questions and stopping this bullshit about me being a tyrant k thanks? you're just pissed we are not lynching Shiro and are calling everything else spam.

[Titus]

so, that's two who are saying Shiro soft-busses as scum, and they say they don't. do they not realize they do it?

there might be comments directed to me that i missed. i don't know why i have that feeling. feel free to get my attention again if that's so.

Titus: all you're doing is making me less inclined to re-vote Math.

They don't. Almost 50 in the large normal hardly mentioned his buddies. There's no soft bus here. Those two are defending each other.

[Titus]

what did i say about you two taking a break? :<

pedit: this is why i don't use meta on the word of someone else. it's incredibly situational and often biased.

Not going to happen when Farside lies, math spams bullshit about Mastina scum, and this day is unnecessarily prolonged. Math's flip will say a lot because I am confident there are zero scum voting Math right now and no one is defending math yet the wagon won't finish.

You want the day over, vote Math, have Farside and Math stop posting garbage.

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no, they added me to their neighborhood and it says they're confirmed town in there.

I'd have preferred you kept that information secret.

But, yes.
This is why I was rather doubtful of the masons.

Because

I

am a mason.
Miller, yes.
But also mason.

Also why I said I'm gonna die early.
Kinda sucks, too. When you're conftown, you die and people just assume you died for being conftown.

No. Yume and Mastina ARE masons. This isn't snark or misdirection a 100% mason claim. You could argue semantics and say Mastina is a friendly Neighborizer/Cop, but they have a PT and claim the PT told them both they were town. That is 100% masons in common sense.

I vouch for the masons. 100%.

Almost50 vouches for me by his role action.

[Titus]

Oh and one more thing RR, I want to see if Mathblade can do any analysis that fits in the realm of plausible reality.

That's the biggest problem most voting them have. That's why I put the question the way I did.

[Titus]

Any and all anti-town factions in this game have day-chat.

Thought this hinted it's multiball.

Standard Varsoon boilerplate.

[Titus]

We'll just have to disagree here.

Mastin's original posts on the subject DID NOT state thst they were masons, and I'm almost certain there is a reason for that.

Really. Look through her iso.

She didn't start calling their pairing a masonry until AFTER other people had done it for her.

That is certainly deliberate.

Speaking of Mastin: are you claiming you are informed town? Because I do not know how else you could know, with absolute certainty, that there are neither third parties in the game, nor that it is multiball, unless you're informed town.

-Cerb

Read the posts I just quoted. Mastina wanted to spring the masonry, just like you did in Suikoden.

This bullshit makes me feel you're scum RR. I have never seen you throw this much doubt at Masons.

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@RR, Your distinction is pointless. They were told to each other in a PT that they were town and are town. That

is a masonry

. Why the hell are you provoking a semantic argument? Both heads know how much I

detest

mason rise and I call them masons. If you insist on calling them Masonic townies, ok by me. They are masons. Period.

The other "assumptions" are not assumptions but conclusions every other rationally thinking town individual has reached for the most part. Furthermore, Mathblade has asked us to assume they are town and not lynch them on that basis, yet refuses to do analysis or put in the work to show she considers opinions other than her own. Grapes and Mastina highlighted that MathBlade wants to stay in the realm of the ridiculous to avoid outing their partners. By asking the question, I am giving them the opportunity to show myself, grapes and Mastina wrong.

[Titus]

*almost every other

[Titus]

Spoiler: for Fire

The camera took an image of me no one will ever believe. Whatcha think?

[Titus]

Mastina catching up. She will see your post.

I do not have a town read. Every other rational townie, meant all the rational town but me.

[Titus]

No Mastina.

Titus tunnels me almost every game we are in. She believes she has caught me every time except when she is scum. She is terribad at reading me.

The TLDR of that is you are policy lynching me if town and scared I will tunnel Titus if scum. You are scared of what I did in Gistou same as almost50 who wait for it. Advocates for a policy lynch.

I am flattered but Mastina doesn't ignore posts and Mastina shouldn't policy lynch.

I am town. Shiro is the scum fuck you want to lynch.

I've told you exactly what to do.

Look at the game and give detailed analysis supposing Shiro, almost50, myself, yume, Mastina, grapes, and mcmenno are town.

I'm not seeing that analysis Sis. I am literally doing more than most to help youif you're town.

@Fire/Mastina, you get my picture?

[Titus]

I failed Mafia 101, but I did pretty well in Econ 101

Can you master the efficiency route of voting scum Math?

[Titus]

Klingoncelt
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Shiro
DrippingGoofball
mathblade
Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)
TheFuzzylogic99
SnarkySnowman
randomidget
TheWayItEnds

This here is strong town list? Dgb is in it

You know who is? Mathblade.
You know who isn't? Yume, Mastina or myself.

Fire, please call me a jerk. Insult me please. I lift my restriction on you for insulting town. I need townie people to bitch at me and Mastina to keep us alive.

[Titus]

I had a restriction for insulting town?

I told you not to doubt Mastina on the Bubble being town. It likely is and I think I know whom too.

But I kinda said like don't doubtcast conftown. I just realized Mastina living is better than me though.

[Titus]

I had a restriction for insulting town?

I told you not to doubt Mastina on the Bubble being town. It likely is and I think I know whom too.

But I kinda said like don't doubtcast conftown. I just realized Mastina living is better than me though.

I hope Mastins dies before you, literally can't deal with all these "I am so great" posts, they are annoying as fuck

Well we don't have too see them

i

f you vote Math with me. She's not helping. Mastina has to strut given all the

c

rappy noise here.

Trust me.

[Titus]

I'm so innocent you hate me.

[Titus]

Mathblade is town. Titus is town. Stop confbiasing the shit out of each other pls

Snarky, I am with you on Farside but Math has to die. They are not protown in any way. Why do you feel they are? Because they are spamming the thread with bullshit?

[Titus]

Why are you rushing a lynch titus?

Rushing? We're at 225 pages on day 2 with an all town wagon. Scum are not going to bus with Farside eating from their hands. We know Shiro is probably town. Who Attacks them? Math and Farside. Maybe you see Creature as scum but what beyond that has happened? All we are getting is temper tantrums.

[Titus]

So what if math flips town? What then?

We look at the white knighters, like Creature. She won't though.

[Titus]

So what if math flips town? What then?

We look at the white knighters, like Creature. She won't though.

You think if they flips town there has to be white nighters for them

Absofuckinglutely. How is Math bring helpful right now?

Yet people like creature strongly townread Math and forget Mastina Yume and myself.
Creature is treating math exactly like SirCakez.
Farside is treating math exactly like sirCakez.
This wagon developed exactly like SirCakez.

The only logical conclusion is scum value math similarly to SirCakez. Even if math is insane town, they are viewed as an asset to scum.

There is no rule that says you must use X time. The productive conversation has ended. Time to end the day.

[Titus]

@farside You can eat out of your own hands. The truth is, I have no clue on you but I would vig you in a heart beat if I could. You have done zero reevaluation after SirCakez flipped scum and you refusing to shut down Mathblade's speculation that Mastina could be scum.

Oh and I am with Mastina, on DGB currently.

[Titus]

So what if math flips town? What then?

We look at the white knighters, like Creature. She won't though.

You think if they flips town there has to be white nighters for them

Absofuckinglutely. How is Math bring helpful right now?

Yet people like creature strongly townread Math and forget Mastina Yume and myself.
Creature is treating math exactly like SirCakez.
Farside is treating math exactly like sirCakez.
This wagon developed exactly like SirCakez.

The only logical conclusion is scum value math similarly to SirCakez. Even if math is insane town, they are viewed as an asset to scum.

There is no rule that says you must use X time. The productive conversation has ended. Time to end the day.

Scum know who is scum.
There is no second guessing when you know your right as scum.

So are you scumclaiming here?

[Titus]

@farside You can eat out of your own hands. The truth is, I have no clue on you but I would vig you in a heart beat if I could. You have done zero reevaluation after SirCakez flipped scum and you refusing to shut down Mathblade's speculation that Mastina could be scum.

Oh and I am with Mastina, on DGB currently.

I reevaluated.
I'm not reading rr scum anymore.
You however read anyone scum that disagree.

This is not the world acording to Titus.

Especially if an opinion mattered that much to you, you would read players responses instead of spamming it wasn't done a 1000 fucking times over.

Sell that bullshit on repeat harder Farside. You might just get all the active scum on your wagon.

[Titus]

Titus this is gross

What is?

[Titus]

That game (Wake's Massive RoleMadness) is STILL ongoing Farside and is 10000% not the game you want to cite for me playing like shit.

[Titus]

That game (Wake's Massive RoleMadness) is STILL ongoing Farside and is 10000% not the game you want to cite for me playing like shit.

That was 1801 game and it says game over.

Desperate

And what happened there, oh another example of me being right, and good town.

Farside, you and I both know you're basically being an ass to me all game. Why is the question? You know I was good in that game.

You know I was right on Cakey.

what the hell is your problem?

[Titus]

However no one is going to lynched claimed Mason's today so this is pointless.

Let's talk DGB and Shiro for the health of the game.

Or you could actually scumhunt? No. Ok. Eat rope.

[Titus]

However no one is going to lynched claimed Mason's today so this is pointless.

Let's talk DGB and Shiro for the health of the game.

I'm just trying to get people to read Titus post carefully.

*stops self from ranting*

DGB voted for pretty bad reason and unfortunately her lurking is NAI lately.
I'm just not seeing anything that says she is doing more at this point.
Pressure on her would at least prove something of a read I can sink my teeth into.

And what do you think of DGB copying my claims?

Why were you pushing Shiro if you thought DGB was copying your claims?

[Titus]

@Shiro, Can you give me the list of players you would check for guns tonight if you were a normal gunsmith?

[Titus]

I was wrong there us only two...

I am confused by DGB play... She acting strange making her hard to read
I have done zero research into Shiro.........

DGB has had medical issues. We love her and support her.

[Titus]

I'm taking a quote from Titus as town recently.

@Parama, When you're spamming so much, it's hard to read anything. I'm familiar with the tactic. I am a master of it.

Just something to keep in mind when you read Titus post and read them carefully.

Titus is a master at spamming so much it's unreadable.

In that game the player doing it was a scum read for her.

New page, no spam will lose this.

Yes, some dude was overly spamming and I called him out for it.

That doesn't change you are spamming like a spoiled brat and if everything goes to plan, you will actually have to scumhunt tomorrow.

[Titus]

So is DGB replacing Out bc I'm confused,,,,,,I know this is a normal stae for me but I am more confused than normal

I need some time to do an analysis on DGB and Shiro


If math survive today I want to be allies with Math instead of Grapes...Sorry Grapes,
How about it Math want to ally tonight>>>>if you live

Well they are not. Everyone on this wagon is parked for a reason. Why are you not voting Math?
DGB is not likely to sub out

[Titus]

I'm taking a quote from Titus as town recently.

@Parama, When you're spamming so much, it's hard to read anything. I'm familiar with the tactic. I am a master of it.

Just something to keep in mind when you read Titus post and read them carefully.

Titus is a master at spamming so much it's unreadable.

In that game the player doing it was a scum read for her.

New page, no spam will lose this.

Yes, some dude was overly spamming and I called him out for it.

That doesn't change you are spamming like a spoiled brat and if everything goes to plan, you will actually have to scumhunt tomorrow.

I am scum hunting. I'm calling you out for your play this game and the spam you are doing.
*looks at post count by player*
Laughs at Titus on who the real spammed is.

Again, this is just whining. We get you're projecting. The question is why? You're exclusively just whining. Your entire ISO could be replaced with

[Titus]

If you think talking to/about me is productive, then do it. No one is lynching me Farside.

If you are town, you are absolutely incorrigible and do not play with me on my main for 6 months. You treat me and only me like shit.

[Titus]

Titus
I think Math might be town..If they live I want to talk to them tonight. I don't want to say anything about why till I can talk to them. I hope you will trust me on this,

No. They are not.

I am Math's sister. She will absolutely never be protown. I am not trusting your word over my thirty years of experience with them.

If you want to talk, great. But right now, please trust me. I was right on Cakez. I am almost certainly right here. Mastina supports this. Yume supports this. Every single obvtown supports this wagon.

Farside and math are just trying to paint me as a villian, like Cakey did.

So please trust me or defend Math.

[Titus]

If you think talking to/about me is productive, then do it. No one is lynching me Farside.

If you are town, you are absolutely incorrigible and do not play with me on my main for 6 months. You treat me and only me like shit.

Pot, kettle again.

The difference is I'm making a case.
Now you've basically come down with the poor me attitude

You are not "making a case" but you and math are drowning out every conversation I try to have putting the same damn conversation on loop.

[Titus]

You also have certain biases...You prob right but I need to figure this out on my own

Great, what do you need? This day has gone on long enough. I will find it.

[Titus]

Your the one with the same loop.
The don't listen she's wrong and I'm right over and over and over.
When that does not work you break down to calling me names.
Or the same loop of shoving down any read from any player that disagrees.
If that is your town game I'd blacklist you for life.

Well, that blacklist will be an enjoyment.

I am agreeing to disagree with most of the thread on reads like creature and you. Players still townread you.

The endless loop is me trying to have a dialogue with you that is constructive because all my townreads townread you, but you refuse to actually engage and read you disagree on and paint everyone else as a bitch/tyrant.

Then it's I missed a question I answered, while you dodge mine. Like I am still waiting for a justification of your Math read. You haven't even engaged Mastina on her Math case. You systemically ignore things that do not fit your worldview.

Then, after people tell you that you're being unreasonable on me or on Shiro, your response is to call me a tyrant or whine about spam, repeating the whole damn cycle.

I have tried complimenting your reads you got right, narrowing the focus of the conversation, asking you to express your concerns. All I get is you're spamming, I am building a case, prove your worth.

I have to most everyone here. You get told that. You persist.

Farside, you are not listening.

You blew up the alliance because it was in theory good for you.
You have acted in your own interests first rather than the group.

If you're town, Ffs take a chill pill realize Shiro is not getting lynched, I am confirmed town, and let's work together. Do whatever you have to. Make a damn voodoo doll if necessary. Just get whatever shit you have in there out. Ty.

[Titus]

@ Titus

@Fuzzy, so do I.

[Titus]

BTW I want zero do to with the Titus/ Farside tiff.

We are not lynching Farside or me, so congratulations, you're not in it.

The fastest way shorten this day is to vote Mathblade. Then you won't have to read anymore.

[Titus]

Hi, I've got an hour or so (assuming no family shows up at the hotel room) to see what's going on. If someone can give me a recap, that would be great.

Mathblade aka Loopdan is scum. Your permanent hood buddy agrees.

Yume and Mastina are masons.
I vouch for them.

We're all lynching Math.


Farside and Math are repeating SirCakez's strategy.

[Titus]

I didn't deny that I do it. I feel I am justified in my Titus push.

Doesn't lend much credence when a scum read of my says someone is a townread.

Are you scumreading the entire game but for Farside? Everyone else knows I am town.

You are not getting pulled into anything. You're scum spamming the thread rather than listening.

[Titus]

Shiro, you've made your point. Farside won't be reasonable. The best thing you can do is just join me for an SU marathon. I downloaded the first two seasons. I'm on episode 7 now.

Creature, nice blog.

[Titus]

@shiro,

Scum are voting DGB to save math like wtf are you doing? You're breaking my oven.

[Titus]

Oh Creature, how do you feel that today is essentially a repeat of day 1 but math and Farside are only being more toxic?

@shiro, because if you got lynched it would be an obviously scum driven wagon. Meanwhile, DGB is a lurker.

The math wagon is entirely fucking town. If math was town, why aren't scum ending the day? If math is scum, they cannot bus. There would be too many confirmed town.

[Titus]

Oh Creature, how do you feel that today is essentially a repeat of day 1 but math and Farside are only being more toxic?

@shiro, because if you got lynched it would be an obviously scum driven wagon. Meanwhile, DGB is a lurker.

The math wagon is entirely fucking town. If math was town, why aren't scum ending the day? If math is scum, they cannot bus. There would be too many confirmed town.

Not really, they could easily pass it off as trusting farside over you and mastin. Maybe Math would be lynched tommorow in that scenario but still saves her a day.

Also if that truly is the case then why isn't Math on DgB from the get go.

@shiro, trusting Farside over all the conftown? Really?

Also Math jumping onto any wagon that saves them is too obvious. It would drive people away.

[Titus]

VOTE: MathBlade

Whatever, since you're god

Thank you...but I don't get the snarky comment.

Keep beach city wierd... why don't we?

[Titus]

I hope you have more time before day 3, Creature.

@shiro, and that's enough. The only person wagonable on Math is DGB.

@math, your toxic anti-town insult is noted. I am still waiting on your analysis if my townreads are right or for you to consider someone else's PoV that disagrees.

[Titus]

Guys math isn't scum
Their posts don't look like self preservation, if that's what they were trying to do they wouldn't have made the pushes they made
Can we move on to actual scum like shadow?

Kraska, we disagree.

Math is pushing the ridiculous to get posts like yours and leave no information when they flip. If you're going down, why attack people and conftown them?

[Titus]

Titus
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Skybird
Almost50
DrippingGoofball
Farside22
mathblade
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
SnarkySnowman
TheWayItEnds

Is my scumpool
scum are most likely in Shadow, Almost, DGB, Farside and Snarky

Talk to me about how you got here please. Do you think DGB is bussing?

[Titus]

Farside is bussing DGB rather?

[Titus]

Almost, allying with someone you don't trust on the mechanics is helpful. Let them talk about their expertise, you might gain information that helps you sort them and understand what is going on better.

Mastina should stay quiet on who the bubbler is.

[Titus]

mathblade claimed? o.0
did dgb claim ascetic? idk what she claimed i just know there was sth going on with kling about claims

Yup. They claimed ascetic that clones alliance abilities.

[Titus]

1) I get whatever bonuses my ally gets.
2) Can't ally same player twice in a row.
3) Season Finale I can use any powers I have gained through allying as well as any during the Season Finale Alliance.
4) if I don't take any action during the Climax Phase which is unlikely as I only have one that I can't use (more on that in a second)

The ability (whatever it was as I am not depants ing Fuzzy but in case he is a town PR) but to use it I have to be in an alliance with them or the season finale. I gain the ally bonuses only during the alliance or during the Season Finale.

My character Lars seems to be a bully based on flavor. Oh and I am human and Earth aligned.

So long story short right now I do nothing unless I am allied. I am a sponge.

[Titus]

Math is essentially a Rolecop for scum.

[Titus]

I believe that is l minus 2.

[Titus]

Hey Titus, what would you say if I told you that it's super likely that mastin is incredibly wrong about the lack of third parties in the game?

Like.

Super wrong.

Like.

I can point to one thing in this game that's public knowledge that is nearly proof that third parties must exist in this game.

-Cerb

Then do it.

Speaking of Mastina, I can be a super artist in a way, but it may fail. Do you want me to take the chance or hold? We should not both be drawing as it is superfluous. I will respect what choice you make.

[Titus]

Sorry, forgot he tried to get DGB lynched for claiming traitor.

*she* did not try very hard, but their interactions certainly mean they're not both scum.

-Cerb

Certainly means Kling isn't scum with a town!DGB.

While I am doubting Klingon scum, I could still see a DGB/klingon possibility of I was wrong on DGB.

[Titus]

Great, who isn't scum then RR? No reasons please. Also, prove there's a third party? Doesn't seem consistent with flavor

Ugh, why are there only like two or three scum names on DGB? Is this fighting over which scum to lynch?

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

[Titus]

Doing the carpool thing now.

If I get lynched it was an honor to be a policy lynch for my prior scum play but I don't think all the confs are confs.

If I look like I am being mislynched my OTP then you know what to do. Be smart my universal town read. Whoever you are.

You're getting lynched for your proscum play at this time. You're rambling nonsense, refusing to engage others or let them talk about anything else.

I am telling you to redo your analysis supposing that almost Shiro and the masons and myself are town.

I am asking you to apologize for all the insults you have thrown.

Until I see that, I don't see what redeeming value you have to town, regardless of your role pm color.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Not ruling it out. I just doubt it. You know I need evidence to change my mind. Bringing that evidence, according to you, is antitown. So, until it isn't Antitown to reveal that information, we are going to disagree.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Or if she's not being misled, she's so supremely arrogant that she refuses to display an appropriate level of doubt about her own beliefs.

I already expressed why I believe what I do about farside, and there's *no* reason in terms of interactions to call A50 and shiro town. Of course, I don't really "get" how to read A50. He's sort of like a less confusing LQ/TFL, if you know what I mean? He goes off on these crazy theories and such and I can't tell if it's town motivated or not.
Titus, you have *one* flip to go off of. That's not nearly enough data to clear McMenno off of based on votes alone.

-Cerb

It is.

You and NC were the wagon choices when McMenno sprung up for awhile. Let's take each assumption in turn.

NC town/RR town: no reason for scum to push a McMenno wagon. If you're both town, the McMenno wagon isn't scumlead.

NC scum/RR town: Scum would jump onto your wagon.

Nc town/RR scum: why wouldn't scum jump onto nc?

Nc scum/RR scum: why start a third wagon on a buddy?

The McMenno wagon is most likely a counter to save scum.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Not ruling it out. I just doubt it. You know I need evidence to change my mind. Bringing that evidence, according to you, is antitown. So, until it isn't Antitown to reveal that information, we are going to disagree.

Fuck it.

I'll bring the one point of evidence that I can present without telling scum anything they don't already know.

Look at your role PM. Look at your win con.

Note the fact that a member of our faction needs to be alive, in addition to all scum being removed.

Compare to previous Varsoon town role PM's.

Consider the circumstances under which all threats to earth would be removed, while no earth-aligned players remain alive.

-Cerb

I don't see how you get third parties from that but we'll discuss this later. I throughly believe you believe in third parties.

[Titus]

You're the one who keeps advocating for my lynch regardless of my color.

And when I flip green you will see your play was stewpid you will listen to RR and find who I townread the most and put them in your masonry if town.

Now I really have to go.

But Titus I am begging here stop tunneling for two seconds and think about what RR is saying even if you ignore me for all eternity.

I am not a mason. I cannot put anyone in masonries.

Haven't you just been yelling conftown isn't conf right but you ask me to sheep you after you die?

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Or if she's not being misled, she's so supremely arrogant that she refuses to display an appropriate level of doubt about her own beliefs.

I already expressed why I believe what I do about farside, and there's *no* reason in terms of interactions to call A50 and shiro town. Of course, I don't really "get" how to read A50. He's sort of like a less confusing LQ/TFL, if you know what I mean? He goes off on these crazy theories and such and I can't tell if it's town motivated or not.
Titus, you have *one* flip to go off of. That's not nearly enough data to clear McMenno off of based on votes alone.

-Cerb

It is.

You and NC were the wagon choices when McMenno sprung up for awhile. Let's take each assumption in turn.

NC town/RR town: no reason for scum to push a McMenno wagon. If you're both town, the McMenno wagon isn't scumlead.

NC scum/RR town: Scum would jump onto your wagon.

Nc town/RR scum: why wouldn't scum jump onto nc?

Nc scum/RR scum: why start a third wagon on a buddy?

The McMenno wagon is most likely a counter to save scum.

There's nothing stopping *town* from pushing the McMenno wagon though? In the case where NC and I are both town at least. I guess I'll have to look at the formation of that wagon again and see who was actually supportive of that push, I don't feel like it ever got much traction though.

-Cerb

pedit: Titus, what do you think is more likely? That Varsoon specifically wrote his win condition this time to account for the unlikely situation where every remaining living slot dies in a single phase, OR that there's an additional faction outside of the town that could finish killing all the scum even if the town is all dead?

The former. I have been watching the show and the universe falls under threat to things that would destroy the whole world. There already is a mass killing event shown.

Is it possible that town pushed McMenno? You bet. That's almost certainly a scum driven wagon though.

[Titus]

Yume, I long for Stevonion.

[Titus]

Spoiler: We good

we can discuss how to bring Stevonion into the world through our alliance hopefully.

Can you make sure Mastina answers about my drawing? Kinda important as both of us should not trigger given the penalties for excessive acting.

[Titus]

Spoiler: We good

we can discuss how to bring Stevonion into the world through our alliance hopefully.

Can you make sure Mastina answers about my drawing? Kinda important as both of us should not trigger given the penalties for excessive acting.

Drawing? That drawing?

Yes.

[Titus]

@RR, I'm pretty sure I know who did the gem on Firebringer. I'm pretty sure that's NOT a third party action.

What makes the most sense is that Klingoncelt is just scum, claiming miller.

I'm like 99.9% sure you're wrong and this is a distraction, but that you mean well.

[Titus]

There's too much that we aren't saying that points to it being the case Titus. We're nearly certain and have looked through it and talked with each other and we agree. There's a really obvious and really good reason why we cannot point out all the things that would almost certainly convince you. If we live and we can fit you into finale alliance, we can elaborate there. We won't do so in the main thread. If the implications of what we're withholding are correct, we must absolutely never share it with anyone we cannot 100% trust.

~Drixx

P-Edit: Thank you Yume. Our reasoning is all Valid. We have multiple pieces of strong evidence to support or premises, so it is probable that our reasoning is also SOUND, which is why we spoke up. We don't dump this info lightly.

You're asking me to judge evidence not provided to reach your conclusion. I do not use inadmissible evidence, nor do I expect you to RR.

Your admissible evidence is based on what I feel is a faulty interpretation of the win condition. Even if there's a possibility that such a third party exists, it shouldn't change much if anything in the way of scumhunting as we're looking for either a) people who have buddies or b) people overly invested in their own survival.

So, I don't think you're correct but my analysis wouldn't change if you were. So what's the point?

[Titus]

@Almost, I've conceded there's a possibility he might be right on third parties, but I don't agree with him. I'm never going to agree with anyone who cannot justify their opinion based on things I can analyze or deduce, nor would I expect any less from him. I'm not doubting his belief in it either. I just don't see the point in the discussion. I'm trying to agree to disagree.

I think you should stay with Shiro.

@RR, Agreed on false positives sometimes happening. That happens, but if you deduce who

doesn't

have buddies, then you can PoE who does. Your reasoning has

never

been the weak point. It's been the lack or mistaken information that's been your downfall. You're as good as the data you're given and the assumptions you make. That's why you're rather weak Day 1. You have made some dreadful assumptions in the past and scum used that information to fool you or the mod did. You assumptions don't factor in illogical player manuevers as much.

Mastina, whom I respect equally, says 100% no third parties. Third parties doesn't make sense with being aligned with earth. Crystal gems are here helping to protect earth.I have to agree with one of you, and I'm agreeing with the person I know to be town and whose analysis matches my own, without evidence to the contrary.

This doesn't mean you're wrong. This doesn't mean that your information is worthless, but rather I do not act on information that I cannot see if I can avoid it. I believe you believe that.

Why not just stay with Random? This sudden rash to ally with you is interesting, but I am not recommending russian roulette.

[Titus]

@Titus So all you said earlier was a lie. You don't really respect me at all. Good to know. :/

Wtf? I

do

respect you.

[Titus]

This isn't a popularity contest. I think that you believe RR and I respect the fact you disagree with me Yume.

I just see that I'm looking at the evidence in front of me and Mastina agrees. That's all I see. You can present what RR told you to me in our alliance.

I just wonder

why

RR never said this to me day 1.

[Titus]

You just said that you disagree with them because she says it cannot be and that you respect them. Therefore, the fact that I vouch for them means nothing despite you claiming you townread them.

I understand I spoke inartfully. You agree with RR. I'm thinking RR is town based on your vouch for them, but logic isn't something one sheeps. It's something where we use others to verify if our process is faulty. You already have access to RR's information, that I don't. Therefore, you cannot be a check on my critical reasoning skills there. You can't simultaneously know and not know something. I can disagree with you and respect you, just like I am doing with RR.

[Titus]

Sorry.....

It's ok. I offend people without meaning too.

Would you like a doll?

[Titus]

@RR Ok... I can suppose that works. I think it's a little early to plan alliances for the season finale, but there's a lot of desire on that end for the both of us. I think I should work with Yume tomorrow to see if there's a group of alliances that satisfies everyone, because I want everyone to be happy. The amount of requests though...

You want me to work better with Farside... help her be useful. I can't work with someone who incessantly spams the thread with non-sense and personally attacks me constantly. It drained you guys at the start. It's exhausting to me. I've done every method of reaching out to them I can think of.

@Almost, Can you not do that with Shiro? I mean he got rejected by me and now you're wanting to break out of an alliance there... If you two agree, I guess that's that. I just feel bad for Shiro and Random.

@Yume

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I now want the day to end......

I need to hear from Mastina first.

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I think Mastin is either scum or third part masons......I think both make sense. ATM I am leaning 3rd party.

I have several theories about Math........ I think it makes sense of his abilities...but its just a theory a mafia game theory

Right now I would vote DGB over Shiro as it seems DGB would likely be scum..... but I want to wait.

Fuck no.

Mastina isn't scum. Mastina isn't a third party mason. Either of those require Yume to outright lie about Mastina being confirmed town to her.

Are you scum with Mathblade?

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oh wait the PT said Mastin was town...forgot, Where there goes that theory, What would be the game be without a crazy FL99 theory/ Trying to make sense the two mason thing. I don't think there are two town mason. Makes no sense.
If Mastin is town that means Klingon would have to be third party or scum mason right?

No..why would I want to team up with a scumbuddy if I had daychat with them.Thats makes zero sense. Anyways if I am not happy with the answer tonight I will lynch her tomorrow..so Math is walking on a thin line with me,

Klingon claimed miller not mason.

Math is on VLA. Why won't you vote them now?

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I meant millers not mason (doh)

Both Mastin and Klingon claimed miler....why in the heck did I say Mason,,,,,,


bc I a not sure enough of her to vote for her just as I am not sure enough of DGB at the moment to vote her
You known me enough to know how I play

2 millers is possible, but unlikely.

I frankly, don't know how you play. The two games I remember, I was scum in both.

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Spoiler: Narrative Evidence for Mathblade slot as scum

1) The only vote Cooldog places is for McMenno, as a counterwagon to RR and NC. He never gives an opinion on RR or NC.
2) CoolDog says NC will be clear after Mastina flips, but has zero issue with Mastina voting NC.
3) Discredits my Cakey read but doesn't call me scummy or elaborate.
4) He calls Not Chara a lurker in his defense of them.
5) His interactions regarding KTS's innocent child are just awkward.
6) Cooldog had prod dodges delaying content promised repeatedly.
7) His ISO has virtually no interaction with Cakey.
8) He's never pushed as a lurker when the push was to lynch a lurker.
9) Loopdan has the same broken promises.
10) Mathblade has only taken stances that are ridiculous, designed not to give information after they flip.
11) They're making manipulative personal appeals to me, while at the same time discrediting me.
12) The CoolDog didn't claim ascetic early on but Math did.
13) Lars doesn't make sense as an ability cloner (he's a human bully who doesn't really do anything). [Caveat: I'm still in Season 1]
14) When pressured for plausible reads, they give none.
15) Math has jumped to every single counterwagon that existed to her slot, and claimed to scumread them all.
16) The constant doubtcasting of Mastina is terrible.
17) The stretch to try and argue I townread them.
18) Math views Shiro's ISO the exact opposite of Farside, but neither question each other.
19) Math buddying TFL.
20) Because they are my sibling, I have little hope of them ever listening.

Spoiler: Quote Evidence

1)CoolDog never votes anyone but McMenno which is Cakey's counterwagon
2) CoolDog says that NC will be clear after Mastina flips, but displays no concern over Mastina voting NC.
3) Discredits my read on Cakey but doesn't call me scummy or elaborate why I'm wrong.
4) Calls NotChara a lurker in his defense of her
5) His interactions with KTS regarding the IC claim are wierd.

That's just skimming his ISO. I'm sure Mastina could do a better traditional case.

gonna get to this later today/tomorrow

tomorrow for sure

yo, was hungover yesterday (bars will do that to you), and today I just finished a hellish day involving no less that 8 hours of class time and 4 hours of reading. I can probably get something to you guys tomorrow, but I also have to ref some games. I will read as much as I can though. sorry.

This is also scum

Conveniently, we have a wagon on the slot. You should join it and lynch Mathblade.

Good point about the fact that claiming ascetic now is a death sentence.

Wrong.
Claiming ascetic is taking the lesser of two evils.
Don't claim it, and actions fail when targeting you? Won't take long for people to figure it out, and since you didn't claim it, instalynch. One failed action wouldn't do it, but if two targeted Mathblade, which in this game is rather the possibility, it would be hard to justify why BOTH failed.
Claim it, and you can hide behind the incompetency of predecessors, which to be fair is true regardless of their alignment.

Claiming the ascetic was the smarter course of action regardless of Mathblade's alignment.

I just don't see it as particularly relevant one way or another.

Mathblade's slot is scum by play. All of it, start to finish.
Mathblade's claim is the type which could come from town or scum in equal amounts.
I happen to lean towards it making more sense as scum using a fakeclaim, but even if I didn't, with a null claim and scum play...the course of action is obvious.

CoolDog was scummy.
Loopdan promised a powerful role we would want to keep alive.
Math failed to deliver reads and started AtEing and trying to paint me as unreasonable, the same thing Cakey did.
Math had a shitty push on grapes.
A call to lynch Kraska without voting there.
Then, they jump on the only other vocal suspicion.
Yet, they cannot find the time to give gut reads.
Hogwash.

This. (Slight edit in removing the powerful role part. Math did deliver that. But that's literally

all

they have delivered. Nothing more.)

In your own words, using links or quotes, why is math scum.

One, Cooldog's profile. I initially thought Cooldog's play here was a match for the first Steven Universe game, where he was town, which is why Cooldog started as various degrees of being a townread. But then, I actually went back to check. You can VERY EASILY compare his isos between the two games because of them being comparable circumstances: in both games, he had about the same number of posts, before quitting the game at the same time.

And yet, this was his iso that game, whereas this is his iso this game.

The two are miles apart. They start similarly enough, though the Cooldog of this game was not as organic as the Cooldog of that game. But the moment he gives content, the difference emerges. In that game, his posting was filled with some light banter that held some actual analysis. In this game, he did analysis, but without the banter. In that game, his analysis was thorough and meaningful. In this game, his analysis was shallow and surface-level. I'm looking at 351, 464, and 798 for just a start. Many more exist.

The Cooldog of that game was abrasive. Cooldog this game was passive, even accepting. The Cooldog of that game gave many, many reads. The Cooldog of this game skirted by on one or two. You can see it in their first posts of both games: that game's 322 had four reads that had solid reasoning behind them. This game's 351 has, if you're

extra-generous

, two...that give no in-depth explanation at all. The Cooldog of that game was unafraid to just be himself. The Cooldog of this game made plenty of appeasement posts: 352, 464, 543, and 798 all come to mind for that.

Cooldog this game did literally nothing, except voting McMenno. There was also lurker defense as well. Now compare that to what Cooldog did that game. He gave in-depth reasons on multiple players. He voted Sonic X, his second vote in the game. He went back, but each time, he was explaining why he was doing what he was doing. His posts were reasonable and you could see where he was coming from because he was actually explaining things.
A trait utterly absent from this game.
In that game, when he said stuff about players, he wouldn't just leave it there. He would explain it, if not at the time, then at a later date when asked about it.

In this game, he's said stuff about players...but never bothered to do anything with it. All his comments are detached from each other. All of his posts are unconnected. There's no flow, there's no trajectory between them. He has no consistent mindset, and was just posting for the sake of posting stuff.

That's just for Cooldog!
Then you get into Loopdan...who did nothing in the six posts he was here. 4272 is textbook scumposting. 4315 was not only redundant, given his intro, it was also stalling: he should have already been reading to find things himself, yet he did nothing. In 4318, he claims to have read everything posted since his sub in...but he comments on NONE of it. He calls it all "gibberish", but he doesn't form a single thought on it at all? None? He doesn't ask questions about specific posts? He doesn't ask about topics? He just writes it all off and doesn't even try? No mechanical work, and no work on comments that were scumhunting without mechanics? Surely, there was something in that time worth commenting on...but he deliberately writes it all off saying "there is nothing in here I can understand" and does nothing to correct that problem.

It also writes the first ten pages off...when there was content in there. Why doesn't he give commentary on the earlier material? Why doesn't he give thoughts, even ones he knows might be obsolete,

especially

when given the chance that they might

not

be obsolete? (One of the reasons replacements are so deadly is that they pick up on things others have missed!)

Loopdan, as a newbie coming into an overwhelming game, might have been over his head...but he wasn't acting like a newbtown coming in over his head. Newbtown display some of the above traits. They have curiosity. They have frustration. They have confusion, but they display this confusion with series of posting.

Loopdan displayed it with minimalistic posting that accomplished nothing. Literally nothing. His posting was engineered as to deliberately achieve nothing at all.

And that's not even beginning to go into Mathblade's posting, absolutely none of which has changed the slot's overall lack of contribution to the game. Mathblade's posting only made things worse, but to that, I'll ask you to dual-iso grapes and me, and control-F search for 'Mathblade'. It's simpler than explaining it all again.

As for allying with Farside, I want to ally with Yume. I want to sync up with my townread and understand

why you think there are third parties

. I am open to possibly allying with Farside tomorrow, if I live. I do not think Farside is town though. Her attacks reek too much of desperation. If she is town, she disdains anyone who is vocal and disagrees with her so much that I cannot see how I can work with her. If you've got an idea where Farside suddenly starts treating me with respect, great. I don't want to read a hood that's full of Titus sucks. That's never been town Farside from my experience.

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I forgot the biggest one.

Mathblade and Farside are treating me exactly like SirCakez who flipped scum and the wagon developed similarly to SirCakez.

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@Drixx, I do think avoiding being baited in the future is good. I will think on how to do that. Being baitable is probably a side effect of who I am as town. It annoys me much more when people go after my townreads than myself but I am equally annoyed by lies. If you see something that tends to bait me, let me know.

I can tell you that one of yours is anytime someone suspects you of lying, you take it as a personal affront rather than part of the game.

Now, your turn on me whenever you want. Please don't align with Farside, do not reward her behavior.

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Here I'll do the first step because this is not an argument I want day 3.

Vote: math

In before titus/mastin/Shiro call me scum for voting math.

Thank you.

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@Drixx, Farside wants you to break your word to random just to try and convince you of something you should know I can beat without even seeing your PT. Do not waste her time or yours.

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I can be a super artist in a way, but it may fail. Do you want me to take the chance or hold? We should not both be drawing as it is superfluous. I will respect what choice you make.

I'd say both hold to be honest.

Ok, but the longer Farside spews bullshit, the more my artist finger gets itchy, but I will hold.

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That's okay Mastin. As I told Yume when Titus didn't believe us: the best we can do is tell you what we figured out so people aren't doing dumb things out of ignorance.

We don't need you to buy it. We just need you to be informed at this time.

And stop bickering over stupid shit that is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the setup.

Fyi though, there is basically no chance that we're wrong. If we're wrong, I will NEVER delve into the realm of setup speculation again. *shrug*

And yes, I already knew those things about KC and yourself. I'm even quite sure I know which corrupted gem you are!

Anyways, I'm looking forward to being proven right!

-Cerb

Don't stop setup speccing permanently if wrong. I love having a non scum motivated setup spec partner. I am not doing anything tonight, so no worries there.

For what it's worth, I think you're doing the right thing for what you believe. I think you're missing a fundamental fact Or facts that I deduced through what happened to me and partial flavor knowledge.

#supportanddisagree

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Mathblade and Farside are treating me exactly like SirCakez who flipped scum and the wagon developed similarly to SirCakez.

While I recognize it as slightly different, there

are

some rather striking similarities.

VERY striking similarities.

Mathblade's wagon has a near-perfect mirror to the SirCakez wagon development. Mathblade is treating Titus similarly.
farside among others is treating Mathblade similarly to how SirCakez was treated, though this is where I diverge from Titus in that I think this happens to not be alignment-indicative.

Otherwise, though, I still think it's a valid point.

Mathblade will not flip town.

I agree with this 100%.

I support your scumhunting and partially disagree on Farside.

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How much did you read the thread CoolDog? Mastin just said she wasn't allying with anyone, ever and you even said she was one of the only ones to post content. RR is already allied with OWK for D1.

if someone wants to make a table or some shit of all the allies cool, but that person isn't me, so I glazed over all of that shit.

I'm not sure about Mastin's Miller-like claim though. The way my Role PM's worded, I'm pretty sure that

I'm

the Miller.

On the subject of Alliances, who's unattached? I don't want to be all alone.

me, and I'm down.

You're getting all sadz, so maybe you aren't Scum.

I'll lean you towards Null.

I read the above exchange as slight tvt.

So quick question: should I bother reading the last 18 pages? Is there any real content or is it just fucking around, pregame bullshit?

ehhh. look at grapes chart and read like the last 5.

FUCK okay. I don't know how much I'll have to contribute but I will do my best to slog through it.

P.S. alliance anyone???

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This post?

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I don't see any hint of ascetic there.

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This is disappointing. Honestly , lot of the stuff you guys are scumreading g them for feels SUPER circumstantial. The more math posts, the less inclined I am to feel they're scum...but then this happens and it confuses the shit out of me. On the one hand, why respond to a question from ME with a verifiable lie? They've played with me before. They knew at some point I would check. It doesn't follow.

-Cerb

Most lies are not done out of convienence with Math. They are forced. A town player says CoolDog never claimed ascetic, particularly one about to be mislynched. They blame CoolDog. A scum player tries to create a narrative to explain things.
A town player scumhunt their wagon. A scumplayer tries to discredit the wagon.

It's more of the only move; not a smart one.