Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[gerryoat]

Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

gut feeling.

> Jack will claim PR
> people will unvote being scared.
> We are in the same place as we were a few days ago
> We are on on pace for 5087 posts

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If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one

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He says he's ok with lynching anyone, but then tries to start a counter wagon

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If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one

If jack flips scum or town, vig should shoot pep if we have one

fixed it for you

I only have a few minutes here, but I'll claim to let y'all decide what you wanna do.

I'm a two shot vig

Pedit - come on guys

If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one

If Jaack flips scum, we're hanging Pep anyway. Or he should be vig'd either way.

Ninja'd

LOL. Shoot Pep then

NOT GONNA LIE. THIS SEQUENCE WAS HILARIOUS

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Jack are you day or night? also who were you planning on shooting before this ordeal

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Several options here to seriously consider. I'm not saying these as a joke, actual options.

1. Lynch Jaack. vigilante can easily hit town just as much as scum, so it's a weaker PR.
2. Leave Jaack and lynch Pep. Because holy hell.
Or, my personal favorite
3. Leave Jaack AND Pep, tell Jaack to shoot Pep tonight or Jaack hangs tomorrow, and go to someone like Pine.

i kinda like 3

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UNVOTE: Jack

[gerryoat]

Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

gut feeling.

> Jack will claim PR
> people will unvote being scared.
> We are in the same place as we were a few days ago
> We are on on pace for 5087 posts

some people call me a prophet.

However, most people just prefer to call the game a shitfest.

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TBH I don't like limiting the Vig's NK to 1 option.
Scum has way too much influence on the Vig shot that way.

yes which is why i wanted his previous views. if he was gonna use the shot and on who.

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Guys what are the odds we have a SK in this game. above or below 50% chance?

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The way I see it, I want the vig to give 3 targets he is okay with shooting.
He could even list one or two he doesn't want to shoot for reaction testing.
Then we use the reactions those generate.
And if he is roleblocked (assuming there is one), then that's also a reaction.

i agree with all of this

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shooting in 3 is still better.

who are good vig shots we can all agree on

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Iron and Pine are good vig shots, not frog imo

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I guess we should wait for jack to reply with his 3. I think Iron and Pine are great shots. with someone else

[gerryoat]

lets break the record actually. i didnt know that was a thing. what's the record.

Largest days in a Large Game

1. SaGa Frontier Mafia
Day 1
5086 posts

2. Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia
Day 1
4198 posts

3. NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness
Day 1
3808 posts

4. X-Men: Age of Apocalypse
Day 1
3700 posts

5. Tales of You
Day 1
3425 posts

WE ARE OFFICIALLY TOP 3. CONGRATS EVERYONE

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SNIPED

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Seriously tho, lets just wait for jack to get back before we can continue

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i refuse to sit through 1200 more posts

partypooper detected

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Sneaking a post on the clock

Let me get this straight.

We're lynching pepcho today.

I get a list of three to shoot from.

Without my claim, I would have shot drealmerz, so I would obviously like him to be on the list.

Shooting yoshi is a dumb thing because duh.

My strongest townreads at this point are ironstove, cloud, and transcend, so if you put one of them in my list I outright will not shoot them.

Anyone else is fair game at this point.

Come up with a list town.

PEDIT - I think I've played games shorter than the pedit I just experience.

Come up with a 3 then. If dreal is 1 who are 2 others? Pine seemed to be in a lot of lists, so 1 more?

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have fun!

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Can we figure out the 3 targets so we can move on lol

Dreal/Pine are 2. Who is the 3rd

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lol frog

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at least we are top 3 in longest day 1s ever

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Me thinks kuroro is town

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Glad I didn't miss too much, but Con, that's a joke post right lol

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Oh, I thought you were talking about Pep's VT claim

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anyway, i think he'd fish as maf. but w/e

[gerryoat]

PV I can give you the TL;DR

Clumsy claimed Mason
BigYOshiFan claimed Private Topic Cop
Jaack claimed 2 shot vig
Pep claimed VT

Jack is gonna shoot in [Dreal, Frog, cabd, Pine]

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Do y'all buy pep's claim, and at this point, is it worth risking the mislynch to get some extra info and put a stop to this monster of a day one? I mean, we have another 8 days or something, right? Don't exactly have a problem with using them.

I think he's prob town, but i mean. at this point. this has gone on too long. and even if we wagon someone else we might out another claim and be in the same position.

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[L-3]

Pepchoninga -

[7] Manuel87, Elena Fisher, Alisae, Fro99er, Pine, ConManMick, Jaack

This makes me want to cry tears of joy

dont you fos frog. what do you think about him being on the wagon

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Alisae do you want me to get an anime avi?

only losers watch anime. dont do it. especially not tonight

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Btw i'm okay with lynching Garrybote now

IS THIS CAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT ANIME

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alisae do you have a myanimelist? you seem like the type. i'll show u mine if u show me urs

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we're only like 100 posts away from 2nd place

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lets break the record actually. i didnt know that was a thing. what's the record.

Largest days in a Large Game

1. SaGa Frontier Mafia
Day 1
5086 posts

2. Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia
Day 1
4198 posts

3. NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness
Day 1
3808 posts

4. X-Men: Age of Apocalypse
Day 1
3700 posts

5. Tales of You
Day 1
3425 posts

i guess a little under 200 away

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People I didn't claim a power role or mason, why are you beliving me?

i hate this post

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Yeah i am talking about you gerry.

Not me!!!

I want 2nd tho. lol. come on, only 100 posts away

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I already said he's most likely town. If he's scum, then umm. idk. He's been quite a polarizing figure this game. I would say you're town and Prob alisae is town if he does flip scum.

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Wait, Elena not Alisae lol

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Transcend is town regardless of this flip imo.

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cabd slot has been replaced twice, i think we give it more time

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stop spamming

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WTF I THOUGHT CLOUD WAS TOWN LOL

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Also Elena just scumclaimed lol. Transcend is obvious town

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I think frog could be in the other maf team now

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I think frog could be in the other maf team now

What changed?

Cloud kill

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Vote: Gerrygoat

You were a strong scumread of Manuel most of the day.

uh, did you not check his recent things before you left. he actually thought i was town towards the end. i dont blame you tho cause you know, you probably didnt read the last 80 pages lol

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I think frog could be in the other maf team now

What changed?

Cloud kill

It's pretty obvious I'm being framed. The easiest thing for opposing scum to do would be to kill cloud because of how hard cloud pushed me yesterday.

who do you think could be framing? And why?

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I'd take you up on that bet so fast if i wasnt gonna get banned for it lol

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Who do you think framed him then?

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VOTE: Elena

well, if you insist.

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Pretty clear scumteam trying to frame me for that push when Pep was scummy as shit and also pushing clum the day before.

Ya, i only said he was lynchbait like 20 times in this thread and you still pushed on him.

[gerryoat]

Everyone who joins the pep wagon I will not vote all of day 2 regardless of my read on them.

And what

if

I flip town?

WHY

IF

YOU FLIP TOWN AND NOT WHEN

^
Can we like lynch this already?

No, he was talking about pep. his ^ was in agreement to me

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@PV

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Gerry I'm a little more willing to be convinced on.

you TR transcend who has a meta hard TR on me, and you think i can be maf?

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in what world does that make any sense

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Actually, I think I should just out something right now. Cloud neighbored me, so idk if he was trying to buddy me or what.

[gerryoat]

Several things.
-Is there anyone else in the neighborhood or would it have just been you and Cloud?
-Does anyone else claim to be neighborized?
-Mafsilver is garbage, they should use MafBlack. But that color seems fine.
-Before we end the day, we need another vig list. This can wait a bit.
-I have a few reads that are starting to adjust, but I want to hold onto those for now
-Jae please clean up your spot. I don't want to lynch you. What do you think of everyone's reads on your slot?

1.) No. It woulda been just us
2.) No, cause I'm neighborized lol
3.) Probably
4.) Yes i agree
5.)OK
6.) lol

[gerryoat]

Their posts feel natural to me, like they are genuinely trying to figure out the game.

@gerry: Look at this post and remember that this game is multiball. What are your thoughts?

Also, I think on that wagon Kuror0 might be scum, what do you think of this post?

ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy
Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.

Especially after saying that he scumread me, he saw me just vote Clumsy. and the wording of it seems a bit weird. He's more worried about ending the day then finding maf

My read on the slot changed drastically.

Also, wait. Manuel wasn't I your biggest scumread? Why am I not redded in that post of yours? Unless you're implying you think i'm on a different team than them? Or did your read on me change?

You didnt start as my main SR but the restistance on your slot and your reaction to my SR paired with Peps posting being better made me rethink.
After our exchange you got better i think so i strated to rethink my read again. Also Pep got a lot worse when Iron was pressured and Pine caught my attention as well.
You arent in my TR but i dont want to lynch you right now.

gerry: fro9 opinion? he's now penguin if it helps

i second this

@PV

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Actually, I think I should just out something right now. Cloud neighbored me, so idk if he was trying to buddy me or what.

So your scumbuddy neighborized you to give you an excuse if Yoshi investigates you?

LMAO. You're just thinking of any excuse. Yoshi TR me. Why the hell would I need to worry about him even checking me

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@PV i just showed you i wasnt his SR. I think you're town, but you're being weird.

[gerryoat]

either you didn't read, or you're pushing for a weird reason

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idk why you guys think maf would be worried about framing someone when they are trying to kill other maf or PRs imo.

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PV makes sense tho in a sense that like. WHY would mafia worry about framing someone. They literally need to weaken the other maf team or kill a PR. If I was maf i wouldn't be worried about framing someone.

[gerryoat]

Several things.
-Is there anyone else in the neighborhood or would it have just been you and Cloud?
-Does anyone else claim to be neighborized?
-Mafsilver is garbage, they should use MafBlack. But that color seems fine.
-Before we end the day, we need another vig list. This can wait a bit.
-I have a few reads that are starting to adjust, but I want to hold onto those for now
-Jae please clean up your spot. I don't want to lynch you. What do you think of everyone's reads on your slot?

1.) No. It woulda been just us
2.) No, cause I'm neighborized lol
3.) Probably
4.) Yes i agree
5.)OK
6.) lol

Anything said by either person in therE?

no he's dead lol. it's just an empty PT

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I didn't say you were 100% scum, btw. I was saying you MIGHT be. I'm not even voting you right now, frogger. i think you got way too defensive. PV is doing what i did but harder, and you dont see me freaking out over it.

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Gerry I'm a little more willing to be convinced on.

you TR transcend who has a meta hard TR on me, and you think i can be maf?

I can town read someone and disagree with their read.

That being said, I never said I scumread you, just that I didn't have a particularly strong townread, and was opene to reevaluation. Your response isn't easing any of my fears.

dont care about your fears, just telling you how it is straight up. Dude plays with me all the time on another website, and can usually read me well.

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Also I should state, me and Cloud are friends from another website on EM. It makes sense that he'd try to neighbor me or Transcend to buddy one of us. I think he felt that I would be easier to buddy since Transcend already outed a TR on him.

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as Gerry did.

false, you went on the full defensive and tried to say I was scum for different reasons. I showed PV quotes as to why Manuel didnt even scumread me.

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Regardless, as I said, I'm not even voting you right now. Besides the people who talked about the night kill stuff, who do you think is mafia

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Yes. Misrep harder.

no, i thought you meant in the way PV said i was scum for the manuel kill. I thought you were comparing us. nvm

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PV is town who just didn't read the last 80 pages, i'm pretty sure

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VOTE: dreal

This is who I really wanna vote, based on yesterday

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Frogger you should vote him with me

I'd rather go Gerry/Transcend, in either order, then PV because I don't have a case on PV other than the possible scum slip and his only reason for pushing on me is the NK stuff.

yeah dude. your reads are so legit. just like pep was OBVIOUS scum

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Actually, i just realized I shoulda waited until after BYF claimed his report for me to out i was neighbored.

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VOTE: dreal

This is who I really wanna vote, based on yesterday

Wait, so your vote on Elena was fake?

she's not my biggest scumread

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Elena wanted frogger vigged and then says this today. I wanna know why the read changed so fast

I think frog could be in the other maf team now

Actually, this sounds like scum thinking I'm on the opposite team. Maybe you're Cloud's buddy instead of other scum framing me.

IDK, you could be on either scum team. The main thing is, you're scum, especially with your D1 behavior that I already pointed out and your reaction now.

hey frog boy I "forgot" why I had a sr on you join the transcend wagon before I remember

Look up the vote count. Already there.

Wanna be my new mason partner?

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VOTE: Gerry

I strongly believe Gerry is scum.

BTW, his whole case on Dreal is still a meta case that I proved wrong.

rofl this guy. he really wants me lynched. scared?

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It's not just meta btw, READ HIM

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VOTE: Gerry

I strongly believe Gerry is scum.

BTW, his whole case on Dreal is still a meta case that I proved wrong.

rofl this guy. he really wants me lynched. scared?

Playing the scared card. Love it. Go ahead and vote me.

No, cause you might just be garbage town. I'm voting who i think is maf for sure

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no actual reasons I'm scum

LOOK HOW DEFENSIVE YOU'RE BEING BECAUSE I SAID YOU

MIGHT

BE ON THE OTHER MAF TEAM LOL. Stop having a manbaby fit already

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PV what's your read on Dreal btw. Don't you feel his content is different than worldplay maf?

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Like there is more joking around here and no analysis. He's also just been filering imo.

Also Frogger, you said yourself you thought dreal was maf yesterday, didn't you? you just said you didnt like my reasoning.

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Spamming is different than fillering. Fillering is just trying to fit in. and I can't really say that I've seen a post from him that looks like genuine scumhunting.

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Alisae, do you still scumread me yes or no. If so, why?

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By saying that someone might be maf because of a kill? How is that possible. Talk me through it. What do I accomplish as mafia trying to frame someone.

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That's not a fake slip. Also, I didn't even vote him, so none of that make sense.

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Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell.

isnt that basically what you did to me? I commented on a night kill and you jumped on me for it

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gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him

you make me sound useless as town. this game was exciting cause 2 maf teams lol, i've never been in one of these before

[gerryoat]

You commented on it by attempting to jump onto Frogger about a NK.
Why didn't you analyze the Cloudie NK?

False. That was me analyizing it. I wasn't jumping on anything frogger said, i was saying that he could be on the other scum team, which is in sense analysis. It's a plausible scenario. Jumping on analyzing a NK is more of "HEY WHY IS HE FOCUSING ON THE NK? WHY NOT FOCUS ON WHO IS ALIVE" that in the sense is what he was talking about in jumping on NK analysis. Or what you did by saying i scumclaimed for it.

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If anything, I think people talking about framing should be looked at closer. Because if I was mafia, there is no way in hell I'm worried about framing N1 in a multiball. I think they are trying to say that to deflect.

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Also, as I said, I didn't even vote him. It was a passing comment until frogger started acting like a manbaby over it.

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I didn't get the opportunity yet. Also, I kinda was with PV when he accused me of the same thing. Which is why I had to show him quotes. I also figured it was just a mason partner read which is why Manuel died, which didnt need much explaining.

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PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying.

how? he didnt even read the last 80 pages. which is why he thought manuel scumread me

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Here's your oppertunity: analyze it.

Why mason died? Mafia probably had the mason partner read on him. Like you said.

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ahahahaha Nahdia said this @gerry

LOL shoulda known.

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Wait Garry, so Cloudie tried to neighborize you, right?

ya, i'm in the PT now.

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ormal_Game
Would Cloudie getting killed effect Garry being in the PT?
If the answer is yes then I'm okay with lynching Garry.

this was already established, are you reading at all or just trying to tunnel

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gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him

you make me sound useless as town. this game was exciting cause 2 maf teams lol, i've never been in one of these before

Doesn't EM have multiball? I kind of thought it did.

yes but no one ever plays those setups. i dont know of a good one at all

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Wait fk. JaeReed subbed in for Iron right? THey might be maf

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TBH Garry my skimming is shit atm.
Plus I haven't even voted you yet.

I'm not sure how it works, tbh. But someone linked the thing saying what i was saying is right

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PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying.

how? he didnt even read the last 80 pages. which is why he thought manuel scumread me

He actually seems convinced in what he's saying.

Whether that makes him town or scum doesn't mean much beyond that he actually did believe that was a reason for the kill. He could still be on a scum team that knew he didn't kill manny and looking for a scumflip or pushing on who he believes could have killed him to get a better idea who to shoot at when the time comes. But I believe that he believes in his analysis there which means it's less likely to be the jumping on a nightkill tell. Meaning, he isn't the one who set it up to be that way.

he's town. at least i think that.

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Yeah gerry would be neighborized before the kill.

Does the thread activity here die down later in the US night? I want to reread but don't wanna miss out on too much real-time interaction when I do it.

it was active at all times. kinda why we had a 170 page day 1

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Something like

{Clumsy, Jaack}

{Gerry, Jae, Yoshi}

{Alisae, Fro9, D7, PV}

{kuro, Mick}

-GAP-

{Elena, Zach}

why is zach so low? i kinda liked his review so far. or is it preslot bias

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Part of me wants to put kuro in the blue tier but voting patterns from him are urgh.

I think he's town. His content has been good, he just had that one bad vote

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UNVOTE: dreal

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Okey Trans.
Also

{Clumsy, Jaack, Mick, Me}
{Trans, JaeReed (SENPAI DON'T STAB ME NOW)}
{Kuror0, Elena}
{Drealmerz, Frogger}
{PV, Garry, Yoshi, Zach}

pedit: ok.

lmao that bottom list tho

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Much. I don't buy the neighbourhood shite seems very convenient

I'm literally uncc'd. How is it convenient????

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Alisae your reads are shit. I haven't even been here that long and I can already tell.

^

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VOTE: gerry
Jesus Christ on a bicycle

Explain this.

Much. I don't buy the neighbourhood shite seems very convenient, and the early game repeatedly being like "this is multiball? What's that?" Etc. When I'm pretty sure in sign ups there was a disclaimer saying "THIS IS MULTIBALL DONT LIKE THEN PISS OFF" etc. Seems like a fake townslip to me. And I just don't like is play in general.

This game is confirmed to be multiball.

Mick let's also add this to what you're saying.

Do either of you have reason to believe gerry would bother reading the rules and the signup stuff?

Did anyone here invite gerry to join the game or did he decide he wanted to join it himself?

I saw transcend in the game and decided to join. I was the last person to join. I'm still new to the site, idk how different threads have different rules. I only post in the threads in my "view your post" thing. I might have seen "multiball" but how am I supposed to know what that means if i've never been in one before

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ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW THE 2 PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE AND KNOW ME BEST HERE RIGHT NOW ARE DEFENDING ME. ALSO THE OTHER PERSON WHO WAS MAFIA AND KNOWS ME TRIED TO BUDDY ME BY NEIGHBORIZING ME. YOU'D THINK THE REST OF YOU WOULD PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER AND NOT BE MORONS

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ISNT IT FUNNIER HOW THE PEOPLE WHO PUSHED THE PEP LYNCH ARE ALSO PUSHING ON ME.

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ISN'T FUNNIEST THAT AS SOON AS I SAY ONE PASSING COMMENT, I'M BEING PUSHED ON FOR IT. EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T VOTE IT OR ANYTHING.

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ISN'T IT HILARIOUS HOW AS SOON AS ONE PERSON PUSHES ON ME, VOTES JUST PILE UP. CONMANMICK COMES OUT OF FUCK NOSHWERE WHEN HE HASNT DONE SHIT. AND NO ONE QUESTIONS IT.

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I'm literally uncc'd. How is it convenient????

Un CC'd doesn't make you not scum. You could still be scum of either alignment.

how is that

convenient.

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ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW THE 2 PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE AND KNOW ME BEST HERE RIGHT NOW ARE DEFENDING ME.

ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW FAKE THIS FRUSTRATION IS?

HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S FAKE. YOU DON'T KNOW ME WELL. I'M PRETTY SURE THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE DEFENDING ME CAN TELL WHEN IM FAKING AND WHEN IM NOT.

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I'm literally uncc'd. How is it convenient????

Un CC'd doesn't make you not scum. You could still be scum of either alignment.

how is that

convenient.

I never said it's convenient. If you were neighborized with no CC, then of course you're telling the truth. Doesn't make you town though.

THEN WHY ARE YOU ARGUING SOMETHING THAT HAS

NOTHING

TO DO WITH WHAT I WAS ASKING

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I NEVER SAID IT MADE ME TOWN. I ASKED IF IT WAS CONVENIENT. AGAIN. HOW DOES THAT = WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND WHY ARE YOU ANSWERING FOR CONMANMICK

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THIS IS NOT ME BEING DEFENSIVE. I JUST FIGURE YOU GUYS CAN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC LOGIC SO MAYBE IF I DO THIS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND.

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ALISAE. ANSWER HOW I'M OVERREACTING. SHOW ME HOW YOU'D KNOW IF I WAS OVERREACTING OR NOT.

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Why the fuck are you so hyper defensive right now?

HOW COME YOU DIDNT GRILL FROG FOR BEING DEFENSIVE.

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I NEVER SAID IT MADE ME TOWN. I ASKED IF IT WAS CONVENIENT. AGAIN. HOW DOES THAT = WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND WHY ARE YOU ANSWERING FOR CONMANMICK

I didn't answer for mick. I made a different point. I'm not talking about mick's point whatsoever.

I'm saying an un-CC'd neighborizer doesn't matter.

There's a disconnect going on here dude that you're not getting in your rage positng

WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP POINTS THAT DON'T MATTER. I NEVER SAID I WAS TOWN BECAUSE OF IT. I'M SAYING THAT HIS REASONING OF IT BEING "CONVENIENT" MAKES NO SENSE. THAT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THINGS TO DEFLECT.

[gerryoat]

What are opinions on the following people:

CloudKicker
Pine
PeregrineV
Alisae
Jaack
Transcend

P-edit: Easy. Target has a PT or doesn't. They're either a:
-Mason
-Neighbor
-Mafia

Done.

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Cloud just subbed in and hasnt read, willing to give him a pass today

- Pine is lynchable
- PV Is a TR, find it weird how he just vanished tho. Also wanna see what cabd is talking about with this scum game comparison thing.
- Prefer not to lynch but, w/e
- Jaaack is lynchable
- Transcend is TR

i am pretty sure atm i gave enough content to be alignement read buddy

not really. you're just acting like your usual self right now but it's been mostly trolling. i do like that you stuck to your guns about the claim, when the easy thing would be just give into the claim, if you're maf. but besides that you're still null rn sry

i think this is why cloud tried to neighbor me

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HOW COME YOU DIDNT GRILL FROG FOR BEING DEFENSIVE.

scumtell

"how come you didn't do this to X but you are doing it to me"

LOLOLOL

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Cuz you're just going over the top right now. If you're trying to prove that I wouldn't know for sure if you're overeacting or not then fine, you proved that point, but I see no reason for you to be going over the top right now.
You're not handling the fact you're wagon is forming on you well.
pedit: your situations aren't the same. I did gril Frogger for being super defensive yesterday but I settled on a pep lynch. Today a wagon wasn't starting to form on him and your wagon was.

SO you admit that you wouldn't know if i was overreacting or not? Also, that's a lie, there were people questioning frog and you went to other situations. when the end of the day you were voting frog.

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So what exactly is your read on Frog, alisae? You trusted Cloud's read on frog. Does that change since he's maf? If so, how come he's not on the mafia team?

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Today I could lynch Transcend, Fro99er, and I had been thinking pine but evidently not. Anywho. Gonna see who Manuel was on cos that nightkill strikes me as off unless someone knew he was a mason.

VOTE: gerry
Jesus Christ on a bicycle

actually, this guy is mafia. lol.

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he said who he was lynching in. but he joined the wagon frogger was on, even though that was his top scumread.

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How is he a mason? Clumsy is the mason claim and the other mason died?

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Cuz you're just going over the top right now. If you're trying to prove that I wouldn't know for sure if you're overeacting or not then fine, you proved that point, but I see no reason for you to be going over the top right now.
You're not handling the fact you're wagon is forming on you well.
pedit: your situations aren't the same. I did gril Frogger for being super defensive yesterday but I settled on a pep lynch. Today a wagon wasn't starting to form on him and your wagon was.

SO you admit that you wouldn't know if i was overreacting or not? Also, that's a lie, there were people questioning frog and you went to other situations. when the end of the day you were voting frog.

Yes I admit it.
I voteparked Cloudie D1. I'm talking about Day 1. Not today. I didn't gril Frogger about being defensive today.
I voted Pep at the end of D1, not Frogger.

but you scumread frogger and were willing to lynch him until the pep mislynch was there

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I was under the impression Mason was like templars on EM. There are only 2

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His vote is still bad. How does he join his top scumread's bw. That makes 0 sense

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Well that's his fault if he is, his vote was shit. He should be ashamed if he's actually town.

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gerry is clear for now.

i mean i could be on the other maf team. but i cant be teamed with cloud. I mean, the person who claimed PT Cop TR me, there was no need for him to neighbor me. He would have neighbored the other partner. But, you know, that's just common sense. And apparently Frogger doesn't use common sense

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Hold up im on 120 now can you motherfuckers make an effort to not bust 40 more pages out before I get up to where everyone is now

just say if you CC me or not. I was neighbored. Do you cc this?

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How likely do you think both mafias have the same roles? I'm not really sure how these things work

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Frogger does that Kuror post come off to you as trying to stop any potential CCs because he feels like he knews that Cloudie targeted Garry?

for someone who wanted frogger lynched and have him in the lower tier you sure care about his reads

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also being neighbored doesn't clear you, it's NAI.

can you not read what i just said

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And apparently Frogger doesn't use common sense

I've said you could be either team multiple times. It's not impossible for cloudy to have neighborized you as you two being buddies. It's also possible you are other scum. I'm convinced either way that you're scum.

yes, but it makes no sense for us to be on the same team, i just explained. i understand if you think i'm opposite of cloud

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for someone who wanted frogger lynched and have him in the lower tier you sure care about his reads

Reads are important even if you think someone could be scum. It helps build associations for later in the game. It's a very pro-town thing to ask someone for their reads, even if you are scumreading them.

not in the way he asked

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Kuroro is town. He just had 1 bad vote but besides that, he's had good reasonings

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I don't know at all why cc'ing gerry would matter like at all.

Why would scum fakeclaim that? They wouldn't because there's like no advantage unless you really though yoshi targeted you, and even then, it's a claim that would collapse.

And him being neighborized doesn't clear him. Even if we just assume no shenanigans, gerry could easily be white scum who cloud just happened to target.

yes to all this. basically what i've been saying

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As I said, Yoshi hard TR me. There was no reason for him to target me, he would target our partner.

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Zach, watch out. Frogger will be super defensive once he sees you voted him

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he'll prob vote you too lol

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There is a LOT of information to be gained around Gerry/Transcend/Alisae/Fro99er me thinks.

Why? Alisae is a sheep. Frogger maybe. Transcend why. Me Why?

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You're not irrelevant I just don't see how information can be got from you. I feel like everyone null reads you at least. No one TRs you much and no one scum read you much

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lol Zach can you do a reads list?

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I have no idea whose alt you are but people can vouch that I'm really good at reading lynchbaits. Because i read based on tone and progression through the game.

i vouch

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I also think Pep was obvious mislynch but at the end i didnt care cause the day was so long. and the people i wanted lynched werent getting lynched.

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The issue with multiball is scumhunting isn't as big a towntell as it normally would be because scum team A is scumhunting for scum team B and vice versa best way to look at this is actions itself or thought process behind it

why are you saying obvious statements that were already said like 100 times day 1. that's what maf does to fit in

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Glork posts battle rap bars?

What's a battle rap bar?

lmao

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Elena what's your read on Fro99er

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Getting rid of the VI gave us the loss of one of the mafia.

I honestly don't see how Cloudie's death and Pep getting lynched are related.

Lynching pep and abruptly ending the day resulted in white mafia killing Cloud.

Still not seeing how the two are related.
How does Pep's lynch = Cloudie's death???

That's because transcend is scum.

Transcend and Gerry I'm quite sure of.

imagine having reads this bad. i'd be embarrassed. Especially after i just spearheaded a lynch on.. 3 towns? Clumsy, BYF, Pep

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Elena what's your read on Fro99er

If he votes where I want he can live for now.

what's your read on me?

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Imagine thinking I'd hard buddy my partner as mafia. I'm actually insulted that you think that my scum game would be that shallow.

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Elena what's your read on Fro99er

If he votes where I want he can live for now.

what's your read on me?

Why do you care if you're scumreading me?

Why are you dodging the question?

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rofl, so you think im mafia elena? say it.

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I must be doing something wrong as town for me to always get mislynched and scumread. I think it's my attitude and the way i come off.

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Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

I already said that you're not a big scumread of mine. Which is why i wanted to ask you more questions.

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I just find it funny that the people who didnt want the pep lynch have the most votes on them. and the people who wanted the pep lynch are spearheading another mislynch lol

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I thought you said he was with transcend

who?

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I have you as guilty by association gerry

??????????????? how is that by association. do you fking scumread me or no. yes. or. no.

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Since Jae is the only other person from EM here, I'll let them give you their Transcend analysis and see if it matches with mine. hopefully they are town, but idk cause of iron slot

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VCA is shit regardless. stop using it. only time i bothered using it i was scum lol

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ok elena has to be maf lol, shoulda known

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VCA is shit regardless. stop using it. only time i bothered using it i was scum lol

And I use it as both town and scum. What's your point?

Each person is different.

ok? im just saying my opinion?

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Gerry however did use his pep town read for an attempt at towncred/elena shade in 4383. It was subtlish but definitely there. That shows me that gerry''s perception of the pep lynch has changed from D1 to d2, despite getting his expected result. I feel that's more likely to come from scum.

wot m8. sorry for saying he was town? lol idk what you want

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Can you actually explain that, i dont get what you're saying. How did my perception of the pep lynch change. I told everyone on it that it was town d1

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gerry is being scumread for his responses tho? LMFAo

literally every game im in, this is the case

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Can you actually explain that, i dont get what you're saying. How did my perception of the pep lynch change. I told everyone on it that it was town d1

On D1, despite believing that pep was town you were very open to him being killed, both by lynch and by vig. Hell, you occasionally threw shade on him (3119)

In the post referenced (4383), it looks to me like you tried to take credit for knowing pep was a mislynch and blaming others (specifically elena) for lynching him. That doesn't at all jive with your attitude toward the lynch D1. You never spent much time at all arguing against the lynch and even hesitated to call pep town (2967. The pep lynch was acceptable then but it is now part of your elena case. That's coming from scum.

When did I say I wanted him vigged? I'm pretty sure I said i wanted iron/dreal/pine? And yes, from my experience when people are acting like that, they are usually just bad town. But, i had to take into consideration that it was 2 scumteams so things could be different this time.

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So far I'm seeing

Zach wants to hang Transcend
Zach is against Gerry wagon
Drealmerz7 is wanting Transcend
Jaack is wanting Gerry
Zach is wanting Elena
Elena is wanting Transcend
Transcend is wanting Elena

Zach how do you feel about one of your scum reads voting another scum read?

Willing to vote Elena as well I probably will.

It seems that some maintain scumreads on my slot but no one save for Clumsy has engaged me on content in my catch up and no one at all has addressed the interactions in context for which I find Fro99er likely to be mafia, either disagreeing with or agreeing with them or simply commenting on it.

Yeah, I figured from yesterday that scum is running the town right now, this makes me think the same.

I want to hear more from Jae.

Same for Yoshi.

PereV as well but from what I gather that's not going to happen.

Currently liking Kuror0 for town I think.

Why does it feel like more people scumread Transcend than are actually voting there?

You make very good points. Look how fast the bw on me started all because I made a passing comment about someone might being scum. As soon as people saw this as an opportunity to wagon me. People going against their previous reads where they had people way lower than I, to vote me when they see they have a wagon on me.

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gerry, I think I can pick you out as town pretty okay?

you are playing a different sort of game here to me it feels, which is why I suspect transcend because of his read on you

I'm totally comfortable voting you

LOL THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. THE ONLY GAME I WAS TOWN IN, YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM. EVEN WHEN I WAS CLEAR

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gerry, I think I can pick you out as town pretty okay?

you are playing a different sort of game here to me it feels, which is why I suspect transcend because of his read on you

I'm totally comfortable voting you

Clumsy and everyone else. This is what I said about him, yet he just used that against me and watch no one give a shit because there is a wagon on me. Even though this is a confirmed lie. There are links to prove it.

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Garry I don't remember you pushing Pine like, ever.

How come one passing comment makes you scumread me so much when I was a TR of yours. How does one thing that I explained make me drop so much, you never explained that. Also, I'm pretty sure I did say I was fine with him being vigged, I'll prove it.

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._. Why did you single me out of everyone else?

Also, links pls?

You're the only confirmed town to me imo, everyone else is maybes in terms of claims

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When did I say I was pushing his lynch

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8599119
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8610173
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8610148

Dreal was town. I was town. I WAS CONFIRMED VIG. AND HE STILL SCUMREAD ME. HE'S A BLATANT LIAR

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HE LITERALLY. JUST. LIED. AND NOTICE HOW. NO ONE WILL CARE LOL

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Alisae, you didn't answer my question. I explained why i said that comment. How does it make me go from being TR to you wanting to lynch me. You haven't justified that.

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Oh yeah someone asked for updated reads
{Clumsy, me}
{Iron, Trans, Garry, Frogger, Pere}
{Elena, Mick, Manuel, Pep}
{Yoshi, Cabd}
{Gamma, kuror0}
{Drealmerz}
{Jaack, Pine}

Clum do you like this readlist?

pedit: Fine, I'll settle for that Trans
VOTE: Jaack

PLEASE tell me how I dropped past ALL those people for a passing comment. When I explained them.

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How is it a frame? Did I say "HE DEFINITELY KILLED HIM. I'M VOTING HIM" no? All I did was say it was possible.

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Oh yeah someone asked for updated reads
{Clumsy, me}
{Iron, Trans,

Garry

, Frogger, Pere}
{Elena, Mick, Manuel, Pep}
{Yoshi, Cabd}
{Gamma,

kuror0}

{Drealmerz}
{Jaack, Pine}

Clum do you like this readlist?

pedit: Fine, I'll settle for that Trans
VOTE: Jaack

ok 3 kills. which one was the vig shot? probably Pine?

p-edit: nvm

Pine was shot by jaack

I guess white scumteam killed cloud which leads me to believe one of the people cloud was pushing IS white scum which leads me to fro9 being a strong scum suspect for today.

p-edit: I bring NKA back on the table.

I know it doesn't necessarily mean that. I never said omg fro9 100% killed cloud. I'm just saying hey there is a chance. just 1 more factor to add, not the defining factor

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Someone you had LOWER ON YOUR TR LIST. said the SAME FUCKING EXACT THING. And you didn't even push on him. Why?

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Explain why you jumped on me right away when you saw pressure on me, but you let that comment from kuror0 pass by, when we both said the exact same thing.

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Um...Reads change from a post that was made, idunno, 2.5k PAGES AGO?

pedit: cuz I need to learn how to read and that made my SR on them stronger.
Missed it Garry, thanks.

Garry, why do you think Cloudie neighborized you?

Bullshit, I already explained this in length.

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If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one

Yes, IF you flipped scum. But you weren't because of the vig claim and the vig shot.

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I spy with my little eye a scum post

Cloud said he doesn't like the Jaack wagon either, does this make him scum?

If jack flips scum, vig should shoot pep if we have one

He says he's ok with lynching anyone, but then tries to start a counter wagon

Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

I'm not sure this is the right lynch for today.

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You're taking it way out of context, when the pep shot was based on your prior claim and me seeing him as saying "I'll lynch anyone!! but..uh..dont lynch jack..." How does this not seem weird?

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@ mod PV already unvoted me btw

unvote

Yes, Clumsy just said the same! I'm blind, but it's been fixed.
-S

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I'm down for a lynch on whoever. I too don't see why Jaack is such a popular lynch.

@Jaack it was this line in particular.

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What are opinions on the following people:

CloudKicker
Pine
PeregrineV
Alisae
Jaack
Transcend

P-edit: Easy. Target has a PT or doesn't. They're either a:
-Mason
-Neighbor
-Mafia

Done.

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Cloud just subbed in and hasnt read, willing to give him a pass today

- Pine is lynchable
- PV Is a TR, find it weird how he just vanished tho. Also wanna see what cabd is talking about with this scum game comparison thing.
- Prefer not to lynch but, w/e
- Jaaack is lynchable
- Transcend is TR

i am pretty sure atm i gave enough content to be alignement read buddy

not really. you're just acting like your usual self right now but it's been mostly trolling. i do like that you stuck to your guns about the claim, when the easy thing would be just give into the claim, if you're maf. but besides that you're still null rn sry

i think this is why cloud tried to neighbor me

Also I should state, me and Cloud are friends from another website on EM. It makes sense that he'd try to neighbor me or Transcend to buddy one of us. I think he felt that I would be easier to buddy since Transcend already outed a TR on him.

Actually, I think I should just out something right now. Cloud neighbored me, so idk if he was trying to buddy me or what.

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@alisae. read down to up.

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In the meantime, everyone else, particularly Kuror0: I modded a game with Drealmerz where he was town. His posting doesn't seem quite the same to me. Check it out for a little bit of homework? It's nowhere near the length of this one.

Literally what i've been saying since yesterday, and people said i was wrong for it. (mostly frog)

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He (wrongly) scum read you so hard it broke the confirmed town status. Like Pep.

Are there any other games that you two were in? Dreal, asking you too. If this is the only example of you knowing how to town read Gerry... then that's straight up BS.

I don't think we have any other completed games together.

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Soooo, yeah. He just lied. Blatantly.

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I wish we had more interaction from PV since he was also in the game with you two.

Yeah, which was why i was trying to get a read on dreal from him but whenever I ask he vanishes lol. Also, that same game. I called Transcend scum right away day 1. Just like I called him town right away day 1 here

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but, yeah what transcend just said lol. I just wanna bring up that he blatantly lied to push my lynch

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What information would a Zach lynch tell us?

I feel like this is all you've been doing. Throwing shade on everyone waiting for a lynch to happen.

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Alisae. What is your frogger read, you thought they were scum yesterday

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oh wait.
Frogger was scum on the wagon too.

I wanna flip the following nerds:
drealmerz/Yoshi, Zach, PV.

I still do SR Kuror0 but I dunno what flipping him would exactly tell us.

pedit: Garry I'm not sure on my Frogger read currently.

Oh really????? Because you just called him scum 12 hours ago. What changed????????????