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Mafia can be stressful. I feel sometimes I have to remind myself thats its all for fun, particularly when things get heated.In post 10, Mizzytastic wrote:Hi, I suck at this game. I'm playing a newbie cos I keep getting over stressed in other queues and struggling to get through them.-
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Y and W effectively function as vowels in Polish.In post 12, Egix96 wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
No need to spam the thread, we can already see you're here!-
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Please kindly get an avatar. It helps a lot with keeping a track of the thread when you are skimming though, by aiding in identifying others' posts at a glanceIn post 23, c4e5g3d5 wrote:It's pronounced "c4e5g3d5", hope that clears it up.-
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1. Played about 10 games on this site. Dozens of games on EpicMafia years ago. No games IRL. I enjoy all sorts of hidden role/identity games. I enjoy both deducing and bluffing.In post 24, Mizzytastic wrote:A trio of questions.
For everyone, what's your experience with mafia?
I've been into social deduction games for a while. I've played in about 8 games on site over 4 years but gotten burnt out a lot due to stress/mental health. I'm love modding and think I'm good at mechanical stuff and picking up theory quickly, but I suck at the social and emotional side and I've decided to play out my remaining newbie games before I go back to other queues.
@72offsuit, get called out for spamming a lot? Seemed like a bit of a sensitive response there
@c4e5g3d5, could you answer 72 asking why spam is bad, been as you vote him for it after he asked, please
(I have my own thoughts as to why spamming bad but want to hear this first)
2. No. You can easily have a read through my other games. Just click my name, then search user's topics or posts.-
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If scum elect to no kill, we know who is scumIn post 26, hunterr wrote:
If you're scum I expect a pacifist game thenIn post 21, AGamblingPig wrote:I hate to do this, but I have to VOTE: Hunter
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Egix. I've played with you before. Do you actually think I'm a spammer?In post 34, Egix96 wrote:
(...)In post 13, 72offsuit wrote:Why?
Not only is it annoying, but perhaps more importantly, it wastes thread space and is generally just bad forum etiquette.In post 17, 72offsuit wrote:to spam the thread?
Close.In post 19, 72offsuit wrote:
Y and W effectively function as vowels in Polish.In post 12, Egix96 wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
No need to spam the thread, we can already see you're here!
In post 24, Mizzytastic wrote:For everyone, what's your experience with mafia?*Checks own page quickly*
I count about 40 games played on MS. That doesn't include any from other sites though.-
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It was shitposting. I'm really not sure why you read it as frustration.In post 62, Mizzytastic wrote:Plus if that response to being asked not to spam was just shitposting instead of actual frustration then I don't think it's +town any more.-
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In post 61, Mizzytastic wrote:
I did go and look at your games. I determined you post a lot and mentioned it in thread. Reading through to see if you've been called out for spamming is a lot more effort when I can just ask you? Plus I'd like to interact with you cos that's how sorting goesIn post 53, 72offsuit wrote:2. No. You can easily have a read through my other games. Just click my name, then search user's topics or posts.
Also if you'd read my own answer for experience you could probably have guessed that I could find out other peoples games even if you never reached the post where I said I had looked at yours.
This response kinda bugs me. It feels like you are brushing me off while being a "helpful SE" instead of actually engaging with what I was doing.
And had i responded differently, in what way was your question designed to determine my alignment?-
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In post 59, Mizzytastic wrote:
You can address both at the same time though?In post 47, hunterr wrote:
Because this is more important to address. I also don't play aggressive in RVS, but you said that you did. If someone is apathetic about the game I would expect someone that supposedly plays "aggressive" to target them.In post 37, Mizzytastic wrote:
hunterr feels like he voted something he thought would be easy and other people were already expressing thoughts about. It's light but VOTE: hunterr
And I did target him, I questioned him, got responses, and came to a conclusion based on the tone of those responses, which I then shared.In post 60, Mizzytastic wrote:
And the follow up is now you are voting, why are you voting there? Do you have any thoughts about what me and hunterr have had to say about c4?In post 50, cylstar wrote:
it really is as simple as not being sure of how to vote.In post 38, Mizzytastic wrote:@cylstar, any reason you decided not to vote?
VOTE: c4e5g3d5?
There is something about this dual post that pings me.
The "and the follow up" phrasing makes me feel like your post was just an afterthought, rather than the goal of your posts.-
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And the significance of your passive aggressive vibe is.........?In post 85, hunterr wrote:Mizzy vs 72 in posts 61-69 feels passive-aggressive from both sides, more from Mizzy especially in post 69.-
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In post 89, Mizzytastic wrote:
I can't talk for 72 but I felt like his response was being unhelpful masquerading as 'SE help' and I felt a bit talked down to, considering if he's responding to my questions he's read my post about my experience and should be able to guess I can find other people's games. Combined with feeling grotty in general I can totally imagine coming across that way.In post 85, hunterr wrote:Mizzy vs 72 in posts 61-69 feels passive-aggressive from both sides, more from Mizzy especially in post 69.
1. Your use if the word masquerading implies im not acting in good faith... IE: i have an alterior motive, which only scum has.In post 90, Mizzytastic wrote:I could vote cyl or Bipolar right now. I wanna hear from them both before hand though.
hunterr's unvote is making me move him back towards town. Its easy to unvote at E-1 early for town points but his reasoning beyond that felt genuine to me
Yet you dont put me in among ur 'ppl u want to vote' pool-
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This feels like classic newbscum.In post 90, Mizzytastic wrote:I could vote cyl or Bipolar right now. I wanna hear from them both before hand though.
hunterr's unvote is making me move him back towards town. Its easy to unvote at E-1 early for town points but his reasoning beyond that felt genuine to me
Mindset preoccupied with people earning town points, because thats what Mazzy themself are trying to do as scum - trying to appear town.-
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In post 102, Mizzytastic wrote:In post 94, 72offsuit wrote:This feels like classic newbscum.
Mindset preoccupied with people earning town points, because thats what Mazzy themself are trying to do as scum - trying to appear town.I could be considering whether or not someone is trying to look town is because I am doing that myself? And not cos we are trying to find the people trying to lookAre you seriously saying the only reason
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If you HAD to kick someone RIGHT NOW, who would you kick?In post 105, cylstar wrote:I'm only voting them because they haven't posted that much.-
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Got anything to add to the game?
What's your read on hunter?-
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In post 112, c4e5g3d5 wrote:ISOs:
Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
Egix -- See 72 but less so because of the relative shortage of posts.
@Bipolar, what do you think of this reads list?-
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Id like u to tell me ur read on hunter before i taint it with any thing I say.In post 137, muh316 wrote:I'm working from home, but works been pretty busy. It's friday so I finally have some time to read through this
Also, looks like you're home but haven't seen any thoughts from you. You only have a single RVS vote and then voted me for inactivity. Your ISO is just questions, and not much else. Which is hypocritical of me but something I want to point out.
Why are you specifically asking me about hunter? Him and I haven't had any direct interaction. And you and hunter haven't had any significant interaction either. Are you scumreading Hunter?
You dodging my question and responding to my question with a question doesnt give me good vibes about your slot.-
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In post 137, muh316 wrote:I'm working from home, but works been pretty busy. It's friday so I finally have some time to read through this
Also, looks like you're home but haven't seen any thoughts from you. You only have a single RVS vote and then voted me for inactivity. Your ISO is just questions, and not much else. Which is hypocritical of me but something I want to point out.
Why are you specifically asking me about hunter? Him and I haven't had any direct interaction. And you and hunter haven't had any significant interaction either. Are you scumreading Hunter?
Why are you so preoccupied about interaction?
All i did was ask you for a read on hunter.
If you are town, from your point of view, I have a 75% chance of being town.
So my suggestion is that you cooperate and work with me, and work on the assumption that I am working in good faith as a starting point.-
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I'm trying to elicit some AI-indicative posts from a lurker, theres nothing "strange" about my post.In post 142, hunterr wrote:Strange that you're asking for a specific read from someone pretty much AFK, why are you afraid to step forwards?
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Join me on the Mizzy wagon and let the "noteworthy" posts sally forth.In post 152, Egix96 wrote:
That specific post was, yes, though that's only because there wasn't anything I found noteworthy since my previous post.In post 146, hunterr wrote:2 posts in a row you're asking more from muh but you haven't provided anything of value so far, are you posting just for the sake of posting?
Now that my MU game has ended, I should be able to get into this one more.-
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This just sounds to me like you are keen to vote whoever you think will get wagonedIn post 181, muh316 wrote:Sorry for post spam, but when I reply I find it easier to manage one reply at a time.
My reads in no particular order
Neutral:
Everyone not listed below
Leaning Scum:
72OffSuit - For constantly nagging me
Egix - For lurking just as much as I am but still remaining mostly under the radar
Cylstar - Scum vibes from the Mizzy buddying. Also just as inactive as I am but not getting the same treatment as me.
I would vote 72 because OMGUS. But that won't gain much traction anyway, so I'll UNVOTE: C4and VOTE: Cylstar-
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Preoccupied with how others are or may be reading his slot - scum mindset - survivalism over scumhunting.In post 178, muh316 wrote:
If I was prod dodging I would have stopped at a single post and kept myself under the radar. I would have probably also answered 72's question to get him off my back so I can keep lurking like Egix.In post 167, AGamblingPig wrote:SO now I'm going toVOTE: Muh316. He said last night that he was going to start participating more but since then has 4 posts none of which have any real game content besides refusing, repeatedly to give a read on hunterr when asked by 72. His posts read more like prod dodging, which could be scummy to avoid attention-
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In post 166, JDye wrote:Haven't interacted with anyone so a readlist is a bit difficult.
Town:
Cyl
Mizzy,
Hunter
C4
Neutral:
AGamblingPig
Egix
72
Muh
Noone is asking for you to pin scum, but to not be able to at least put 1 player in the 'scummy' bin is a bit concerning.
Not confident enough to actually call someone scum yet so won't be voting just now. I'll wait a page or two to get a better feel for the game.-
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I've found it much more effective regardless of my alignment to ignore attacks against myself and simply focus on pushing who i think is scum or when scum, pushing someone who looks scummy.In post 191, muh316 wrote:
I need to defend myself if I’m getting voted, right?In post 186, 72offsuit wrote:Preoccupied with how others are or may be reading his slot - scum mindset - survivalism over scumhunting.
95% of the time the resopnse you give doesnt satisfy the attacking player anyway-
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I've played with !scum and !town egix. Low energy, low posting for both alignments. Not particularly aggressive either.In post 204, Egix96 wrote:
I'm a lowposter in general, really. But yeah, in the Secret H game I had no idea what to say most of the time :/In post 196, Mizzytastic wrote:I've been in bed with a headache most of today and I'm busy the next 4 hours so I've only really skimmed. I'll try and catch up before bed depending on how tired I feel. This is the stuff that stood out to me on a skim.
Based on the vote count at the top of the page (I know it's changed since), I would be very surprised if all 4 of those 2-vote wagons are on town. Scum have 4 different players to pick from there and it feels odd to me that they'd pick in a way that produces that split. It also makes JDye's decision note to vote his lowest read feel like it's less scummy unless muh-JDye is exactly the team. It's SO easy for scum to vote there, as a replacement coming in with new perspectives onto a player the momentum of the day is turning against. Not that I like the no voting, especially when it's leaving the old vote instead of an actual unvote.
Activity isn't necessarily an alignment tell. For Egix at least I can say I've seen them be low activity as town, and in a mish mash game I ran as a scum role that is specifically trying to look as town as possible (instead of town enough to get someone else elimmed). I might have read a game he was in as scum, but I don't remember one and I've definitely not been involved in one.
@muh - I wasn't talking about anyone specifically with my question about scum intent for the way you've lurked, just the general feel from the game as a whole turning in your direction. You were a good policy elim if that activity level continued but a policy elim in general is a last resort or a "oh god I don't want this in ELo".
My thoughts were people seemed to be scum reading you for it, and if you are strategically lurking as scum (as opposed to, y'know, busy) and you have a choice to pull yourself up when you get pressured, you do. You have to be genuinely busy or very confident in being able to pull off TSTBS otherwise.
However, no one feels town enough to you to even give a slight lean?
@AGamblingPig - that's a weird way to phrase something about a group of 3 you are included in. Why do you think that?-
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Too scummy to be scum.In post 213, muh316 wrote:
Whats TSTBS mean? Also, would you have pushed to policy eliminate me if we were approaching deadline?In post 196, Mizzytastic wrote:@muh - I wasn't talking about anyone specifically with my question about scum intent for the way you've lurked, just the general feel from the game as a whole turning in your direction. You were a good policy elim if that activity level continued but a policy elim in general is a last resort or a "oh god I don't want this in ELo".
My thoughts were people seemed to be scum reading you for it, and if you are strategically lurking as scum (as opposed to, y'know, busy) and you have a choice to pull yourself up when you get pressured, you do. You have to be genuinely busy or very confident in being able to pull off TSTBS otherwise.
I've also heard the term 'power wolfing', which I believe is along the same lines. Basically scum taking the reigns and being pretty pushy and aggressive, rather than hiding and trying to meld with the sheep.-
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In post 218, safebet222 wrote:Ok... so here are some initial thoughts...
Page 1- RVS was RVS. I don't think anyone was being serious getting on 72 spamming the thread, seemed pretty arbitrary. I don't think 72 was getting particularly annoyed by getting called out either, seemed a pretty tongue in cheek response to me. I read nothing AI on this page.
Page 2The Mizzy-C4 (Chess moves - yeah - the English - c4 e5 g3 d5) exchange I think was Mizzy just trying to drag this game quickly out of RVS and c4 still wanting to goof off. Still nothing particularly AI, imo. In other words, I disagree with Mizzy:
I don't think you can make a read on c4 up to this point and I don't think 72 was reacting adversely to the spamming thing... I think he was making a joke. I digress.In post 37, Mizzytastic wrote:I think c4's response is +town (not worried about defending self, comfortable with rvs being a good enough reason).
I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot. I think activity is NAI and spam is anti-town in general but his reaction to being called on it feels +town. Scum are less comfy expressing that sort of frustration.
I'm going to keep my opinion of the hunterr-Mizzy interaction to myself for now... not sure how much it would help seeing as I subbed for hunterr...
Page 3- So for me 72 voting Mizzy for the overall LAMIST feel seems like 72 is just annoyed at Mizzy misinterpreting 72's responses.
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I don't know 72... Mizzy is being a spaz but this is the second time you warned them about this and they haven't stopped yet. Seems like you are pulling an SE card with the "classic newbscum" quip. I mean we're just impressionable noobs, right?In post 94, 72offsuit wrote:
This feels like classic newbscum.In post 90, Mizzytastic wrote:I could vote cyl or Bipolar right now. I wanna hear from them both before hand though.
hunterr's unvote is making me move him back towards town. Its easy to unvote at E-1 early for town points but his reasoning beyond that felt genuine to me
Mindset preoccupied with people earning town points, because thats what Mazzy themself are trying to do as scum - trying to appear town.
Page 5The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more...
Page 6Muh appears! I mean being generally inactive is not good for town I am told. But I don't know if this is an IRL busy thing or if the 72-muh interaction on p.6 are scum trying put some distance between them.
Again I'll stay away from the hunterr posts...
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Man... it might be time to check my confirmation bias here...In post 157, 72offsuit wrote: Join me on the Mizzy wagon and let the "noteworthy" posts sally forth.
Page 8Welcome JDye (shouldn't he be welcoming me?)! So lots going on here for me. I think the JDye entrance clarified some of my reads... more on that below...
So in general my current in no particular order are:
townreads (for now)
JDye
cyl
c4
Mizzy... I do townread them but I don't necessarily agree with their vote analysis that there is at least 1 scum on the original c4 E-1 wagon or that one of the 4 2-vote wagons on page 8 have scum. I think its equally as plausible that scum isn't in either of these groups. However I don't think they are LAMIST... while I don't wish anyone to be sick... I do think Mizzy has been an easier to deal with since taking the paracetemol... they were just all over the place... it was too much noise.
Muh is neutral for me... I could entertain a 72/muh scum team... but I could just as easily see muh as IRL busy and the activity until page 8 as NAI.
Egix - also neutral... although it does strike me as plausible that both scum are low activity SE's
GPig - no read at all... again not sure if the activity is AI or not... I suppose I'll eventually learn to read folks like this
72off- right now my scumread... but (how's this for a poker analogy) I'm either way ahead or way behind on this read... What I mean is that I can't figure out why he is continuing to drum up a train on Mizzy... I just think it too obvious for it to be a scumplay... is that what TSTBS means? Too scummy to be scum... but perhaps thats the ploy? ahhh... I have to go to bed...
UNVOTE: cyl VOTE: 72offsuit
See you all tomorrow... I'll drop by on my lunch break.
"I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot."
This feels like super shallow, low effort commentary on meta, disguised as trying to be helpful.
" The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more..."
@ safebet:
1. What specifically did you find that made you "scumread 72 more and more" on page 5?
2. On a scale of 1-100, how strongly do you think I scumread Mizzy?-
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In post 218, safebet222 wrote:Ok... so here are some initial thoughts...
Page 1- RVS was RVS. I don't think anyone was being serious getting on 72 spamming the thread, seemed pretty arbitrary. I don't think 72 was getting particularly annoyed by getting called out either, seemed a pretty tongue in cheek response to me. I read nothing AI on this page.
Page 2The Mizzy-C4 (Chess moves - yeah - the English - c4 e5 g3 d5) exchange I think was Mizzy just trying to drag this game quickly out of RVS and c4 still wanting to goof off. Still nothing particularly AI, imo. In other words, I disagree with Mizzy:
I don't think you can make a read on c4 up to this point and I don't think 72 was reacting adversely to the spamming thing... I think he was making a joke. I digress.In post 37, Mizzytastic wrote:I think c4's response is +town (not worried about defending self, comfortable with rvs being a good enough reason).
I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot. I think activity is NAI and spam is anti-town in general but his reaction to being called on it feels +town. Scum are less comfy expressing that sort of frustration.
I'm going to keep my opinion of the hunterr-Mizzy interaction to myself for now... not sure how much it would help seeing as I subbed for hunterr...
Page 3- So for me 72 voting Mizzy for the overall LAMIST feel seems like 72 is just annoyed at Mizzy misinterpreting 72's responses.
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I don't know 72... Mizzy is being a spaz but this is the second time you warned them about this and they haven't stopped yet. Seems like you are pulling an SE card with the "classic newbscum" quip. I mean we're just impressionable noobs, right?In post 94, 72offsuit wrote:
This feels like classic newbscum.In post 90, Mizzytastic wrote:I could vote cyl or Bipolar right now. I wanna hear from them both before hand though.
hunterr's unvote is making me move him back towards town. Its easy to unvote at E-1 early for town points but his reasoning beyond that felt genuine to me
Mindset preoccupied with people earning town points, because thats what Mazzy themself are trying to do as scum - trying to appear town.
Page 5The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more...
Page 6Muh appears! I mean being generally inactive is not good for town I am told. But I don't know if this is an IRL busy thing or if the 72-muh interaction on p.6 are scum trying put some distance between them.
Again I'll stay away from the hunterr posts...
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Man... it might be time to check my confirmation bias here...In post 157, 72offsuit wrote: Join me on the Mizzy wagon and let the "noteworthy" posts sally forth.
Page 8Welcome JDye (shouldn't he be welcoming me?)! So lots going on here for me. I think the JDye entrance clarified some of my reads... more on that below...
So in general my current in no particular order are:
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Mizzy... I do townread them but I don't necessarily agree with their vote analysis that there is at least 1 scum on the original c4 E-1 wagon or that one of the 4 2-vote wagons on page 8 have scum. I think its equally as plausible that scum isn't in either of these groups. However I don't think they are LAMIST... while I don't wish anyone to be sick... I do think Mizzy has been an easier to deal with since taking the paracetemol... they were just all over the place... it was too much noise.
Muh is neutral for me... I could entertain a 72/muh scum team... but I could just as easily see muh as IRL busy and the activity until page 8 as NAI.
Egix - also neutral... although it does strike me as plausible that both scum are low activity SE's
GPig - no read at all... again not sure if the activity is AI or not... I suppose I'll eventually learn to read folks like this
72off- right now my scumread... but (how's this for a poker analogy) I'm either way ahead or way behind on this read... What I mean is that I can't figure out why he is continuing to drum up a train on Mizzy... I just think it too obvious for it to be a scumplay... is that what TSTBS means? Too scummy to be scum... but perhaps thats the ploy? ahhh... I have to go to bed...
UNVOTE: cyl VOTE: 72offsuit
See you all tomorrow... I'll drop by on my lunch break.
"I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot."
This feels like super shallow, low effort commentary on meta, disguised as trying to be helpful.
" The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more..."
@ safebet:
1. What specifically did you find that made you "scumread 72 more and more" on page 5?
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In post 167, AGamblingPig wrote:I don't have any defense for my posting so far other than I haven't played text mafia in close to a decade and am super rusty when it comes to developing reads. Your thorough analysis from you first post does make me feel better about removing my vote from Bipolar. My read on them was admittedly weak.
Based on how I'd been following the thread my next target was 72, but having read him in isolation I'm now convinced my sketch read on him was just gas.
SO now I'm going toVOTE: Muh316. He said last night that he was going to start participating more but since then has 4 posts none of which have any real game content besides refusing, repeatedly to give a read on hunterr when asked by 72. His posts read more like prod dodging, which could be scummy to avoid attention
This post is scummy +++
1. The write-off of his gut-scum-vibe on me as being "just gas" is horrible. It doesnt fit a town mindset to build pressure. The "just gas" deflates pressure on a player (myself).
I think !townPig would be much more likely to give more time to let his gutread play out over several more pages/posts, rather than give the read away so early.
2. The vote on muh feels like scum opportunistically voting for low hanging fruit. I'd say muh is just the punching bag low-hanging fruit town jester.
The transition of Pig from gut-scum-reading me to dismissing that and then voting for muh fits !scumPig agenda.-
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Agree with Mizzy that this is lazy low effort scum sort of post. I think its a scumslip.In post 195, AGamblingPig wrote:In post 194, c4e5g3d5 wrote: Looking at the player list, the people who haven't had a significant positive impression on me at any point are muh, Egix and AGamblingPig.
I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of them are scum.
I made the SAME SCUMSLIP in Newbie 1986.
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See Natsu's post 273.
He basically catches me, but doesnt really link it as the post being lazy-scum-me
Here it is for those who cbf going to that game: (I'm scum replacing in for scumNavneet. TSE and NAtsu are both town)
Post 138 by TSE (who i fake scumread)
I think I’m good with lynching within Navneet/Volxen/GB.
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p138: don't feel much townie motivation coming from this post. Just a random lynch pool.
If TSE flips scum, I would hazard a guess that 1 of these 3 is scum with him.
Natsu then says:
The three players in that post are GB, Volxen, and Navneet (which is you). TSE is pushing Volxen, and I don't see you being scum with TSE (I don't see you being scum whatsoever). So are you saying GB is scum if TSE flips scum?-
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Lynch All Lurkers.In post 253, safebet222 wrote:Sure... Any ideas on making that happen?-
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In post 252, c4e5g3d5 wrote:I mean... when town is inactive, the remedy is usually... activity...
(Hypocrisy oof)
Its a bit of a perpetual vicious cycle
Low activity = little to respond to / less meat to analayse = less posting cos there is no content = low activity-
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Re Hunter:In post 48, hunterr wrote:But yes, I do think that "cus RVS lol" is a cop-out from c4 and my votes stays on him.
Didnt like this post - any re-affirmation of vote is scummy. Why the need to re-draw attention to who you are voting? Town doesnt need to holler out and say look at me.
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This feels to me like scum trying to fuel a TvT clashIn post 85, hunterr wrote:Mizzy vs 72 in posts 61-69 feels passive-aggressive from both sides, more from Mizzy especially in post 69.-
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Sure.In post 241, JDye wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
Not been a fan of quite of few of their posts. Think their push for the mizzy wagon is founded on very little. For someone who found me not voting to be "concerning", I think it's a little hypocritical to have not moved their vote since post #64 and haven't given any sort of reasoning for other people to put their vote there. If they think mizzy is scum, shouldn't they try to push us to vote them?
@72, could you post a read list? You haven't really given your thoughts on anyone in the game other than mizzy.
Town +++++++++++++ 72os
Not worth mentioning: cyl,egix, c4
Scumlean: Hunter/safebet, Bipolar/Dye, Mizzy, muh
Scum: GamblingPig-
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This readslist feels like playing nicey-nicey with everyone. Bit of a brown-noser, inoffensive, buddying sort of post. ScummyIn post 112, c4e5g3d5 wrote:ISOs:
Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
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This feels a bit over-explainy to me. Scum mindest of guilty consience... know they are guilty ... feel the need to overexplain things that need 0 explainingIn post 194, c4e5g3d5 wrote:
Before this recent string of posts, you simply had less content than Egix. That's different now, though, so that's a plus for you.In post 182, muh316 wrote:
How so?In post 172, c4e5g3d5 wrote:muh definitely looks worse, not because of this, but because he's been a far bigger lurker than Egix.
It's the perfect way to generate both tunneling and pocketing.In post 188, Egix96 wrote:What's so bad about mindmeld reads?
Keeping a vote based on a microread this long is unhelpful so UNVOTE: Mizzytastic. Looking at the player list, the people who haven't had a significant positive impression on me at any point are muh, Egix and AGamblingPig.
For the most part I agree with 72's points on muh; lurking and then returning with a WIFOM defense is NAGL, and the whole "72 wouldn't gain much traction" thing is plain scummy.
Egix not caring about lurking accusations thrown at him is NAI IMO. That leaves just the lurking, with a bit of content in between.
Pig is now the lowest poster I believe. When he was posting he was putting thought into his posts, though.
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In post 218, safebet222 wrote:Ok... so here are some initial thoughts...
Page 1- RVS was RVS. I don't think anyone was being serious getting on 72 spamming the thread, seemed pretty arbitrary. I don't think 72 was getting particularly annoyed by getting called out either, seemed a pretty tongue in cheek response to me. I read nothing AI on this page.
Page 2The Mizzy-C4 (Chess moves - yeah - the English - c4 e5 g3 d5) exchange I think was Mizzy just trying to drag this game quickly out of RVS and c4 still wanting to goof off. Still nothing particularly AI, imo. In other words, I disagree with Mizzy:
I don't think you can make a read on c4 up to this point and I don't think 72 was reacting adversely to the spamming thing... I think he was making a joke. I digress.In post 37, Mizzytastic wrote:I think c4's response is +town (not worried about defending self, comfortable with rvs being a good enough reason).
I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot. I think activity is NAI and spam is anti-town in general but his reaction to being called on it feels +town. Scum are less comfy expressing that sort of frustration.
I'm going to keep my opinion of the hunterr-Mizzy interaction to myself for now... not sure how much it would help seeing as I subbed for hunterr...
Page 3- So for me 72 voting Mizzy for the overall LAMIST feel seems like 72 is just annoyed at Mizzy misinterpreting 72's responses.
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I don't know 72... Mizzy is being a spaz but this is the second time you warned them about this and they haven't stopped yet. Seems like you are pulling an SE card with the "classic newbscum" quip. I mean we're just impressionable noobs, right?In post 94, 72offsuit wrote:
This feels like classic newbscum.In post 90, Mizzytastic wrote:I could vote cyl or Bipolar right now. I wanna hear from them both before hand though.
hunterr's unvote is making me move him back towards town. Its easy to unvote at E-1 early for town points but his reasoning beyond that felt genuine to me
Mindset preoccupied with people earning town points, because thats what Mazzy themself are trying to do as scum - trying to appear town.
Page 5The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more...
Page 6Muh appears! I mean being generally inactive is not good for town I am told. But I don't know if this is an IRL busy thing or if the 72-muh interaction on p.6 are scum trying put some distance between them.
Again I'll stay away from the hunterr posts...
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Man... it might be time to check my confirmation bias here...In post 157, 72offsuit wrote: Join me on the Mizzy wagon and let the "noteworthy" posts sally forth.
Page 8Welcome JDye (shouldn't he be welcoming me?)! So lots going on here for me. I think the JDye entrance clarified some of my reads... more on that below...
So in general my current in no particular order are:
townreads (for now)
JDye
cyl
c4
Mizzy... I do townread them but I don't necessarily agree with their vote analysis that there is at least 1 scum on the original c4 E-1 wagon or that one of the 4 2-vote wagons on page 8 have scum. I think its equally as plausible that scum isn't in either of these groups. However I don't think they are LAMIST... while I don't wish anyone to be sick... I do think Mizzy has been an easier to deal with since taking the paracetemol... they were just all over the place... it was too much noise.
Muh is neutral for me... I could entertain a 72/muh scum team... but I could just as easily see muh as IRL busy and the activity until page 8 as NAI.
Egix - also neutral... although it does strike me as plausible that both scum are low activity SE's
GPig - no read at all... again not sure if the activity is AI or not... I suppose I'll eventually learn to read folks like this
72off- right now my scumread... but (how's this for a poker analogy) I'm either way ahead or way behind on this read... What I mean is that I can't figure out why he is continuing to drum up a train on Mizzy... I just think it too obvious for it to be a scumplay... is that what TSTBS means? Too scummy to be scum... but perhaps thats the ploy? ahhh... I have to go to bed...
UNVOTE: cyl VOTE: 72offsuit
See you all tomorrow... I'll drop by on my lunch break.
Id actually like you to talk about the hunter posts.
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