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This feels townIn post 32, Bulbazoor wrote:I am the worst at reading anything that occurs in the RVS as I can never get a good read on anything going on. Everyone is seeming sus at this point to me lol.
This feels scummy
From first two pages, Spartan/Rad unlikely to be scum/scum, I don't usually do pre-flip associatives but yeah, that one seems pretty straight forward. Fancy is probably scum, no?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This is bad from Spartan, feels like OMGUS. Wants to know why he is scum read without outright asking the question.In post 58, Spartan117 wrote: Whooooosssshhhhh
(Appeasement followed by a statement without any actual reasoning)
Zzoooooommm
VOTE: Bulbazoor
That's absolutely not what Bulb said?In post 69, FancyPants wrote: To me this sounds like you're already giving yourself an excuse not to scum hunt.
He said he struggles to gain reads on D1 and you then interpreted that as 'I'm going to be useless and ineffective for all of D1.' Like, wtf?
Fancy is asking a lot of 'busy questions' that don't look for AI responses and his push on Bulb on bad.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I don't like this.In post 104, Rad wrote:So let me get this straight juice.
Fancy is definitely scum. And he's scum with either elemk or bulba. So the best move is to vote one of his maybe scum partners?
Fancy was scum based off of Elemk being scum, no? So it would make sense to vote for his stronger scum read first (that he has reasoning for) and then if he is correct, start pushing Fancy based on the associative?
I'm surprised this wasn't picked up and I'm also surprised that Bulba just agreed with it. Would be the second time Bulba has OMGUS'ed, I retract my town read on Bulba.
Juice is still town. Alwaysnever can probably be town, too. I liked his post regarding Fancy's reads on himself and Goldfish.
Bulba moves into null/scummy, along with Spartan and Rad.
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Juice clearly explained both reads though so what you're saying is just false.In post 130, FancyPants wrote: I'm OK with throwing out reads without explanation.
What I'm not OK with is throwing out reads -> being queried on them -> and not having an explanation for those reads.
That strikes me as manufactured.
There is also a lot of pointless question asking in an attempt to look busy. This is regarding Fancy to be clear.In post 136, Cat.Jpeg wrote: I get a town vibe from you because of content but there's a lot of making stuff out of nothing.
I actually like this from Fancy. I'm wondering whether I have a problem with their playstyle as opposed to them actually being scum but they've definitely misrepped people on a couple of occasions now.In post 147, FancyPants wrote: Cat hasn't said anything to change my mind about her, town reads are very easy for scum to do, and she hasn't taken a stance on who is scum
That said I'm less certain about Juice, I've been feeling that way for a while but I didn't want to unvote and relieve pressure quite yet.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goldfish
Is better methinks.
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Page 7, good posting again from Juice and Alwaysnever.
168 from AN is particularly townie
If this isn't explained in more detail in the coming pages, it needs explaining.In post 192, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote: Cat is possible scum bc of their attitude/tone as well, only this time it's actually founded in something bc I've played a lot with her before so I'm familiar with the playstyle as town and scum.
Same for this, in what world is that a scum slip? It's a 'By the way, if people vote me I generally don't like it and tend to bite back.' That's completely NAIIn post 193, Spartan117 wrote:
This feels like an excuse for any reaction that may come from being voted in the future, could be the first scum slip of the game? HmmIn post 146, Bulbazoor wrote: Well I did want to pressure you and at the same time I was annoyed that I was being voted asI tend to have knee jerk reactions any time I am voted.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Spartan is sheeping Rad hella hard in this game as well. Spartan has also seen Rad being pocketed before and possibly thinks he is susceptible to it?
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First part of this post is good, I don't see where, or why, FP's read changed on Juice.In post 202, Juice wrote:Don't you think it is strange that you thought I was dishonest and voted me - but then changed your mind and flip to town read me.
And that is the only thing you've actually done all game - and yet Elmk think you are most town because of it.
Second part is just false, FP has been doing plenty outside of their push on you.
Talk about these scum reads? I see later in the page you change your mind on Spartan, but explain where you were at at this point anyway.In post 205, FancyPants wrote:Anyway we should be putting pressure on
Spartan
Cat
Goldfish
That's where the scum are hiding.
Hmm, this is good posting. I didn't pick up on the potential role-fishing at all.In post 215, Rad wrote: This strikes me as sus. In general, it's my understanding that a town pr would want to try to avoid pushing scum too hard. Reason being, if you catch scum early as a town pr, you're more likely to be the nk and can't use your ability. I'm not saying that means elemk is a town pr, but suggesting that he should play differently if he is a town pr reeks of scum fishing out a pr claim.
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Answered my question on the very next page, starting to think I am wrong about FP. This is a decent post.In post 225, FancyPants wrote:Just do clarify my position on Spartan
I'm as sure as I can be of my town reads on:
Elemk/Alwaysnever/Rad/Juice/Bulba
That only really leaves the other 3.
They've all done what I expect of scum in newbies - that is not commit on scum reads at all, and throw out some token town reads.
In my opinion scum have trouble manufacturing scum hunting as they know whatever they say is essentially bullshit, even wrong opinions about who the scum are show intent. I've seen very little real scum hunting intent from those 3.
This is a really bad post, self-meta is just the worst type of meta.In post 230, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote: I'd like to point you to some of my previous games on this site, and point out that I'm not entierly new to the game of mafia and I'm actually not bad at bullshitting scumreads, it's a lot easier to make content out of nothing as scum than it is to actually work out whether what people are saying is really suspicious or if it's their playstyle or random and NAI.
If I was scum I'd be posting a LOT more reads because I know that not voting/scumreading people early on gets me scumread.
Spartan referencing his first game with Rad shows that it's at least somewhat at the forefront of his thoughts for this game. This lines up with my previous thinking of Spartan possibly attempting to pocket Rad. Very interested in hearing Rad's opinion on this.In post 232, Spartan117 wrote:I have not had the time to read through everyone's posts, rather that just throwing something together I'd like to be able to give some proper game content, I need to go to bed soon for work, I am going to sit down when I get in tomorrow and go through everything properly.
Also just to clarify but will expand on tomorrow, the plan I referenced before is based on mine and Rads last game where I called out the mafia day 1, and even though I was getting scum read d1 I was the night kill, and because I was town I helped I fluency Rad to get the job done in remarkable fashion I must say.
So acording to the plan it was all a joke about scraping me from the day 1 vote because I will be the night kill the first night, which I had intended to play more into in a chaotic fun way but unfortunately havnt had the time im sorry, I do still intend to try and nail down the scum team before day 1 ends and we can see post game how that compares if I can get a 2 in 2.
I don't want to town read FP for 'effort' but I'm probably going to. I'm 180'ing on my FP read, they can be town and this is good posting again.In post 233, FancyPants wrote: A quick meta scan doesn't track with this.
I found two scum games:
- viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89374 - Open 850: Democrabilities (Postgame)
- viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89376 - Mewbie 2094 -- GAME OVER
In the first one your first read that isn't town or null is like 400 posts in.
In the second one you replace out after about 200 posts but post no scum reads.
Now it looks like you have experience offsite so this isn't a comprehensive analysis of your meta, but it does contradict what you said - you have not shown a strong inclination to scumread people more as scum.
Also this statement format: "If I really was bad, I wouldn't do x, y, z." I find to be a very common lie format.In post 231, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote: If I was scum I'd be posting a LOT more reads because I know that not voting/scumreading people early on gets me scumread.
Why would you say this?In post 239, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:But like I'm not sold. She could still be town. She's not a pr.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Because you did it twice, it doesn't necessarily make you scum, but it is enough for me to want to retract my town read.In post 389, Bulbazoor wrote: How does this single aspect move me into scummy? I agreed because from the way I read Juice's post it seemed like FP was his scumread and he voted for someone he didn't appear as certain on. I thought it was a valid question from Rad.
You OMGUS'ed when Rad voted for you at the start of the game and you did it again with regards to Juice.In post 390, Bulbazoor wrote:Also when did I omgus for a second time BBT?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Except you said he had a valid point which at the very least implies you agreed with the questioning of your 'town read.'In post 394, Bulbazoor wrote:That post was more of me giving some slight townpoints to Rad than any sort of omgus.
Are you saying town's reads are infallible? I don't care what my predecessor said or did, it has no bearing on my play or my reads this game.In post 395, Rad wrote: My problem with this is if you're town, you basically get some free town perspective reads from your slot's previous owner. I would absolutely take that into account. You disagree?
Also yoooo bbt replacement, I love it, and of course he comes out swinging too this is like copy paste nai bbt entrance with regards to style. Will start to consider the actual content though. You caught up yet bbt or still working through those last 6 pages?
I still have the last 6 pages to read, wanted to try and get some real-time interactions in if I could.
No, just because you OMGUS'ed indirectly it doesn't mean it wasn't OMGUS. I would argue that it's actually scummier to do it this way as opposed to outright scum reading someone for scum reading you.In post 396, Bulbazoor wrote:More like he tried to incorrectly paint me as omgusing lmao.
Yo Fancy, I said a lot about you and you've had no response. What's with that?In post 397, FancyPants wrote:Hi BBt
I need Goldfish to weigh in before I can really continue with this game.
I haven't liked Goldfish's posting from what I have seen so far. However, the fact there is no counter wagon whatsoever rings serious alarm bells. This is diluted slightly by Goldfish not being active, but meh, one wagon never looks good.In post 398, Rad wrote:Bbt thoughts on goldfish? She is at E-1. Me and juice wanted to flip your slot but fancy has been reading it town. I guess I should just let you catch up but I'm curious to get some more thoughts here. Spartan has claimed intent to hammer which may still be in effect but goldfish is nowhere to be found.
Nobody is hammering Goldfish before they get a chance to come in thread and respond. Least of all Spartan!Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I probably don't have anything current as I still have the last 6 pages to read, are you not concerned with the current game state?
Also, from what I can see, there are a few low posters. Couple of things for this; it's very easy for scum to hide in the lurkers and not contribute much. On the flip side, it's also very easy for scum to control the gamestate (looking at you or Rad!)Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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If it's been days then he will get replaced and the person who replaces in will get a chance to respond.
You're not hammering because I don't like your play so far this game. In fact, someone should probably unvote to give the slot time and ensure no hammer.
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That doesn't worry you?
I still haven't read the last 6 pages but I think it's safe to assume that there has been little to no attempt to push a counter wagon to Goldfish. If Goldfish is scum, why hasn't their partner attempted to save them?
Were they so bad that their buddy decided to throw them under the bus? I'm not sure, odds of scum winning after a D1 elim on them, especially in a micro set-up, are ridiculously low.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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How about no?In post 409, Bulbazoor wrote:BBT I would really like to hear your updated thoughts on the game.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I agree, atIn post 418, FancyPants wrote:It would be pretty risky for the final scum to come to goldfish's defense at this stage. Besides maybe they are. I'm not necessarily accusing you, but I do think it's possible the scum buddy is another lurker like Cat or someone who's looking for credit or even you. Ive lynched scum on day 1 a few times in newbies and I can't ever recall their scum buddies attempting to mount a valiant defense I can post examples with time but I'm on my phone at the moment so not tonight.thisstage. The wagon had to start forming at some point though and there is clearly no counter from the VC. So their buddy just left them to die?
I see your point regarding lurkers though and said lurkers certainly not having the thread presence to dissuade a wagon on their buddy. We do seem to have a few lurkers, too. Meh, I'll concede that point.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You don't think 2 people who are town can think the same things as each other?
What is wrong with the reasoning for town reading each other? If you think Fancy is scum, what is wrong with his reasoning for town reading my slot?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What a deliciously scummy thing to say.In post 448, Juice wrote:Like I said - I don't mind hammering GoldFish - but they won't flip mafia
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Yeah, I mean that's one way to look at it.
I didn't like their play around Goldfish, I didn't see them pushing hard enough for an alternative to the Goldfish wagon either if they genuinely didn't want the elim.
I didn't like their 'only one of Fancy/BBT can be town' as well, that's lining up elims.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This would coincide with your 'only one of FP/BBT can be town.'In post 490, Juice wrote:I also think its very possible - that FP could be town.
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Let's start again.In post 449, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You don't think 2 people who are town can think the same things as each other?
What is wrong with the reasoning for town reading each other? If you think Fancy is scum, what is wrong with his reasoning for town reading my slot?
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OK, but you stopped scum reading him like 30 mins ago?
And that still doesn't answer my post.
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How can I accept you are town when you're lining up elims?
Only one of BBT/Fancy can be town. I want to elim BBT! BBT was elimmed, he wastown.
Oh shit, looks like I was wrong. Fancy must be scum then! Fancy was elimmed, he wastown
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Yeah, your argument is that both myself and Fancy cannot be town.
So, let's say you eliminate (kill) me first - and I flip town. You then just turn around and say 'Oh no, I was wrong on BBT, it must be Fancy then because they cannot be town if BBT is.'
I am town reading Fancy and I of course know that I am town, therefore from my point of view, it looks like you're trying to line up two town eliminations.
Given you cannot explain how both Fancy and myself cannot be town together, I have no choice but to come to the conclusion that you are scum.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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