Newbie 1732 [Game Over!]: InnocentVille

[thenewearth]

OMGUS VOTE: implosion

And

FoS: Chrimi

[thenewearth]

Do you people have any experience with mafia?

ICs and SEs have lots of experience in mafia, yes

[thenewearth]

Chimi are you burnt?

[thenewearth]

also

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shannon

[thenewearth]

thenewearth: Can you give me a read on penguinpower? Can you explain your read on shannon?

Shannon's vote

Incredibly scummy

Must die

[thenewearth]

Actually you know what?

Calling it right here

Shannon-Penguin

[thenewearth]

Actually you know what?

Calling it right here

Shannon-Penguin

What would you say the odds are that that's the scum team?

I'd say about



Totoro-san big

[thenewearth]

Totoro-san big

Could you be serious for a second and actually give a number?

A totoro is a number

[thenewearth]

why is pp worse than 0x40 or implosion?

I don't really have anything on implosion because personal reasons

I'll read 0x40 in the next 3 posts

PP push by PoE

[thenewearth]

I have uh...

2 alts and... 5 hydras?

[thenewearth]

I literally never made an alt until recently

Hydra, on the other hand, constantly

[thenewearth]

Just saying buuuut...

Alts are alts for a reason

How is that hard to explain?

[thenewearth]

Literally "Alternate account trying to hide the main account"

[thenewearth]

its NAI at worst

[thenewearth]

I have uh...

2 alts and... 5 hydras?

And what are the usernames of those accounts?

I don't like giving these names lul

[thenewearth]

But ofcourse you're gonna scumread me

Whatever shall I do?

Oh wait... Ignore them, yeah that's a great way

[thenewearth]

Because they're alts

Simple as that

[thenewearth]

Alts are there for a reason

Yeah sure, some people, even me, openly admit who their alt is

BUT

You have to understand, you're literally pulling a crappy case out of a horse's ass

Alts exist for a reason, and its to hide their main

[thenewearth]

Can you explain how hiding information about your meta is of benefit to town

Because meta is bullshit and shouldn't be the basis of a case?

Like... If I hear 1 more meta out of this game I'm gonna stop playing nice and be the most annoying tunnel-driven asshole you can be

META IS NOT A SCUMTELL NOR IS IT A TOWNTELL

ITS ONLY A SUPPORTING ARGUEMENT

[thenewearth]

Also I hate talking about meta

But this kind of argument has to stop

Literally going nowhere

Lets say, you meta me, I gave out all my alts and hydras, you read all my recent games.
You notice that I'm more pushy and want to vote more as town and I tend to play a lot less active and laid back as scum

The thing is, I decide to play laid back right now, and you actually try to lynch me because of that? That's literally bullshit

[thenewearth]

I'd rather not and use my alt as... my actual alt

[thenewearth]

but then again you're fixated on that being scummy soooo

I'm gonna be fixated on ignoring you

thanks

[thenewearth]

I don't blame you

I don't even know why I'm bothering

Literally 90% filler posts

[thenewearth]

Am I the only one who's actually thinking that its "Identity defense" and not "I'm not a scum defense" ???

[thenewearth]

@TNE, could you elaborate on 159?

Its more Chrimi trying to actively hide her identity as alt because she actually doesn't want to

Not because "My alts don't make me scum" defense

[thenewearth]

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either dumb or scum

[thenewearth]

Ok before ANYONE accuses me defending her (I'm looking at you 0x40)

How you ever thought about

How convenient it is for scum to jump that reasoning? Better derail that right now than let it play through

[thenewearth]

I'll address the shannon stuff after she posts about 3-5 times

She either can fix herself or make it more transparent

Lets see what she'd do <3

[thenewearth]

but is there anyone who you think is town?

When I finally see someone towny

[thenewearth]

Well someone's not fixing herself

[thenewearth]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... te_account

Why are we not linking the wiki page of it

And why are we still talking about it?

[thenewearth]

Chrimi there's something called "Ignoring the post" though

Plus a wise man once told me on some distant game ago

"You don't have to reply every time on shitty stuff, it just clumps the game up"

[thenewearth]

Fair enough

But either

0x40 should adjust and realize how its a mistake

Or

You outright ignoring it

The latter is probably the better

[thenewearth]

Nah

[thenewearth]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: 0x40

[thenewearth]

Just because I'm SE doesn't mean I'm obliged to be nice, btw

[thenewearth]

If anything its the IC's job to teach you the basics

Its my job to let you see what happens when you do stupid stuff

[thenewearth]

I'll be more serious after I'm done doing my shit

brb prod dodging

[thenewearth]

I just woke up and stuff

Tunneling = unchanging reads while agressively pushing their scumread

[thenewearth]

That said, shannos is town for recognizing it

... I guess?

Newbie games are weird

[thenewearth]

I'll do stuff in 2-3 hours

Net is bullshit right now and I'm waaaaaayyy too lazy

[thenewearth]

Ya'll are reading waaay to into texts btw

[thenewearth]

So basically what's happening is

0x40 is tunneling the weakest player right now, chrimi

His reasons are beyond mortality and stuff and is setting up an easy lynch for a weak scumread. At least that's how I see it

[thenewearth]

Also can ya'll stop wall-text'ing?

Nobody likes reading walls of text unless its a good book. And gents this isn't a book I'd buy for 2 US Dollars on the book surplus shop

[thenewearth]

Why I was voting shannon?

Simple:
1) Echooooooo
2) Tone of half-heartly agreeing to a case 0x40 did on Chrimi. Again, coinciding with how I was, and still am, scumreading 0x40

Though at least Shannon is acting town lately for reasons I'm never gonna give out because that's pretty stupid for me to do

Also #164 was a complete 180 to #51

Could be bussing but its a newbie game sooooooooooo fuck that.

[thenewearth]

I mean seriously how hard is it to make reasons for someone to be scum with about less than 10 lines?

Like... holy shit I ain't reading a 600 word essay just to pick out 10 significant words.

P.S. As for my town reads? Lmao fuck that :>

[thenewearth]

Yeah because making it easier for scum to NK the towniest player is the greatest contribution

bzzt

[thenewearth]

Also seriously though... 0x40 has still not posted anything relevant

I'm not lazy today so lets see his posts 1 by 1

#71: Late RVS
#75: Still in RVS I guess
#92: Realize that he's still not RVS'ing"

#93:
#94:
#96:
#101
#107:
#108:
#114:
#124:
#130:
#132:
#135:
#138:
#140:
#143:
#146:
#152:

If its not clear enough to you

TL;DR It means the posts are nothing

Literally hollow posts masquerading as arguements

#218: Still in over his head about the argument.


rest of the posts are irrelevant because either:

1) They're really stupid arguements
2) They're Hollow and have NO MEANING, whatsoever


His readlist in #251 is almost irrelevant and hypocritical
1) Jibs read applies to him. Overconfident, No real reason to actually townread or scumread anyone
2) Chrimi read applies to him. He, too, is not scumhunting very much

[thenewearth]

TL;DR

If you're townreading 0x40 for his so called "content", you're blinded by the chrimi interactions. If you actually look into it deeper he hasn't actually done jack shit

[thenewearth]

Are you saying that 164 made shannon look more scum or more town? I don't understand how it could be alignment indicative in any way--it's clear that shannon made 51 with the intent to post something like 164 later, but that doesn't say anything about her alignment.

It was a complete jump in like... 2 posts or someshit

I've always disliked this reasoning.

Btw, its a personal preference.

[thenewearth]

Also if someone pulls that "TNE is defending Chrimi way too much she must be scumpartners with her" bullshit I swear to fuck you need to step up your misrep game more

Because that's the weakest misrep I'll ever see

[thenewearth]

@Astralflare: I can't read jack shit because of your multiquoting so

What was your question again?

[thenewearth]

Oh, Also none of that "Wow beetle juice hurr scum on L-1" argument neither

Some people have what you call "Life" to deal with

[thenewearth]

But as long as you continue contributing a shitty amount, scum doesn't need to kill you because you won't be helping out.

Horrible misrep

This is the scenario:

Say, player X is townread by 11/13 players. Who wouldn't want to kill someone who's Universally townread? Maybe... Fear of having a PR?
Change the scenario a bit, player X is townread by 11/13, scum kill player Y because fear of PR, they hit town doc, next night you wouldn't be surprised that player X is dead

So giving out townreads is something I don't usually do. Sometimes I do it but not this game

[thenewearth]

I actually hate answering that because that kinda destroys the point

Sooooo

Thanks :/

[thenewearth]

I actually hate answering that because that kinda destroys the point

Sooooo

Thanks :/

Your logic here is horrible and implosion already explained why. Please stop withholding very useful information from town

THE MOMENT SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING REMOTELY TOWNY IS THE ONLY MOMENT I'LL TOWNREAD SOMEONE

[thenewearth]

Misreading someone as scum is bad

but

Misreading someone as town is worse

[thenewearth]

Alright...tne is town. 1723 just wrapped up. Exact same play style. Can you please start participating a bit more? Your behavior there got you lynched D1.

Yes but, I don't like bragging but, I also caught scum day 1 and day 1.5 that way

[thenewearth]

is it time for me to shout?

[thenewearth]

*4) If he's scum he's WIFOM'ing everyone

[thenewearth]

I am not very impressed with 0x40's reason for not claiming. I'm referring to this - "Of course I want to hide my role. I want this day to end with scum having as little information about who the prs are as possible, and unless I'm convinced I'm getting lynched if I don't, I'm not claiming."

0x40, here are the problems with this, for me:

1) Flips give info to scum, so if you're holding out and someone hammers you anyway, scum will know your role.
2) If you were going to claim a PR and are trying to avoid it, 1) happening is really bad because it doesn't give any other town PRs the chance to save you.
3)You haven't identified another candidate for scum. At least give us someone else to look at?

Whoops ^

[thenewearth]

After Drone, next best lynch candidate is thenewearth, third best is Jibs, fourth, Chrimi.
I've made a case against Jibs and Chrimi, and the thenewearth case is similar to Drone in that she refuses to give reads, and has a really bad reason for it. Is there anything else I should clarify on my opinion on those three?

You have very week cases though :/

[thenewearth]

Shannon its posts like that that make me think you're 1000% scum :/

[thenewearth]

Nah its because that post was almost either

role fishing, LAMIST post, PR controlling

All 3 points are scummy

[thenewearth]

To not talk about PRs, honestly

[thenewearth]

If I didn't think he's scum I wouldn't have been voting :/

[thenewearth]

If it was a BP s/he should claim honestly

[thenewearth]

No point in actually hiding that fact

Hell that's the most anti-town shit you can pull especially when it reaches later days

[thenewearth]

Anyone who's a BP

If there are no claims then I'm ok with it

[thenewearth]

Someone please tell me they can counterclaim Chrimi

[thenewearth]

I'll explain when there's actually no counterclaim

[thenewearth]

Remember guys,

Matrix6 is PR-solvable

[thenewearth]

Reasons why claiming BP now is better than with fewer people:

1) Destroys LyLo WIFOM of "who the real BP is", which is very a very common mistake BPs do
2) Limits fake claims where either, the real PR and the CC both die, which gives +1 unexplainable kill for scum, or, outs a more useful PR completely. Lets face it, not only is BP useless, its more anti-town than pro-town.
3) Pseudo-Innocent Child. Always helps
4) JK is strong, Tracker is stronger. You heard me right. Tracker is strong. On a matrix6 setup, anyways. You just need a bit of logic.


Weaker reasons why BP should claim on D1 when their PR is used

1) Better NK speculation
2) 70% of people would lynch the BP on MyLo. Its a thing that BP is the most anti-town claim in the universe

[thenewearth]

Also yes I'm one of those persons who want BP claims to be lynched

Which is Ironic because I once claimed BP and won because of it

[thenewearth]

Do you mean you want to lynch Chrimi today? Because you also just called her a pseudo-innocent-child, right? Or just that you would have had the claim come on a later day?

For now, because of 568 which makes sense:

UNVOTE: The New Earth

Would like to hear everyones opinion about this situation.

I want to but I don't need to

[thenewearth]

Lets face it, not only is BP useless, its more anti-town than pro-town.

Why? Can you explain why a PR is anti-town?

2) 70% of people would lynch the BP on MyLo. Its a thing that BP is the most anti-town claim in the universe

Again, why is it an anti-town claim?

Do you mean you want to lynch Chrimi today?

This is what I took away from post 569. Why should we lynch a claimed and not CC'd role?

You'll learn from experience, friend

[thenewearth]

VOTE: Implosion

[thenewearth]

I don't usually do this but when an IC says this:

Yeah I don't know what PR solvable means to begin with. In that post I was attempting to guess X_X

Then that means the IC is scum. If he were town he'd agree because IC would usually be super experienced with this setup AND would know that this game would be easily solved. Heck even newbies with a bit of thought can think about why. And trust me I've been caught offguard by newbie games alot 3 years ago

[thenewearth]

that is: claiming before LyLo. But, in this situation, the BP would not even know they were targeted! There could have been some other target + a Jailkeeper.

Can you think about it for a second? What would you trust more? A BP who claims D2 or a BP who claims pre-LyLo? Its highly unlikely for scum to claim BP on D2, but more likely on pre-lylo.

Just think about why. You'll get it.

Eventually

[thenewearth]

or we could just lynch implosion

[thenewearth]

Don't make me do things bzzt

[thenewearth]

Why you want her lynched..?

Is everyone actually ignoring the fact that I never voted her?

Wanting to vote her =/= wanting to lynch her btw :/

[thenewearth]

Why didn't you vote Chrimi then?

Because she claimed BP

And I spiritually wanna vote her but she's town so no

And can you please explain what you mean by PR solvable?

Matrix6 is somehow breakable 80% of the time

[thenewearth]

What do you mean by 'spiritually'?

I mean I just hate the BP role in general

[thenewearth]

If there was an NK there wouldn't be any problems

[thenewearth]

tne, can you please shed some light onto this wagon on you?

Yeah but the thing is why would I care?

There's no real reason behind it. Only me being a dick

Get over it

[thenewearth]

Also lynch implosion plz

[thenewearth]

TNE, you haven't answered these two of shannon's questions. Also rereading shannon's list of questions there's a lot of leading questions worded and supplemented with info that implies she's scum.

I'll answer them if I think they're worth answering, thanks

[thenewearth]

I'm very ok with cass vote but hoooooollllyyy shit this is a fast wagon

nope

[thenewearth]

WHY WOULD THIS HAPPEN THOUGH?

[thenewearth]

ONLY THE BP SHOULD CLAIM

OH MY GOD

[thenewearth]

I'M GONNA SCREAM

[thenewearth]

At least Astral is town

I think

[thenewearth]

If my flip clears anyone except Chrimi as town, go ahead

[thenewearth]

All I'm seeing is clearing chrimi's name and that seems a waste

[thenewearth]

That wasn't the intended plan but I guess it almost worked

[thenewearth]

Give me a TL;DR

How many names do I clear when I townflip?

[thenewearth]

I firmly believe in my implosion vote, yes

[thenewearth]

Wow I actually have a town list

Chrimi
Shannon
Cass

[thenewearth]

Lets look at it this way

As long as it either AT LEAST:
1) Semi-clear 2 names
2) Confirm Clears 1

My lynch would definitely be pro town

[thenewearth]

And then I can actually put my trust in my town reads

[thenewearth]

Or just assume my townflip

PoE the fuck out of everything

[thenewearth]

The reasons really don't matter at this point

[thenewearth]

Wow I actually have a town list

Chrimi
Shannon
Cass

Scum is implosion

So that's me, Shannon, Cass, Chrimi

4-4

4-3-Implosion

JK one of the 3

4-2-JK'd-Implosion

PoE the fuck out of it

[thenewearth]

Should be

[thenewearth]

AF I would definitely do

[thenewearth]

now I'm DEFINITELY for AF

[thenewearth]

I fed hard and threw hard

whoops...

[thenewearth]

Chrimi won't forgive me for this :<