![Image](http://i.giphy.com/SUV9ZAV70TQTS.gif)
Your moderator is mhsmith0.
- MooginSoosy
- nydushermain (replaces Shader12)
- Ville (replaces Pepchoninga replaces Weylsu)
- Fykus
- JackChaos
- Formerfish (SE)
- RadiantCowbells (replaces Toto) (SE)
- -Grey- (replaces Secret Agent Jin) (SE)
- TierShift (IC)
In post 3, mhsmith0 wrote:This is literally fake as fuck. There is literally no anger in this "anger vote". My guess is no one notices this.In post 468, nydushermain wrote:But he wasn't "rolefishing" at the time because all he said was "fine you claimed PR" but he didn't delve deeper into it so if you claim to have had a townread on him then, you're just lying or just happened to have forgotten. So your claim that you tried to divert pressure away from toto and onto moogin just to nullify the argument between the two, when you were LITERALLY questioning toto's alignment at that time, unless your posts are posts you just put in there for the sake of having a good activity count, is absolute BS. Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying.
VOTE: Tiershift
This is literally just an anger vote. I know for like 99% sure that this won't get enough traction but this is driving me to vote on toto's slot. Funny enough, I think that moogin is still leaning scum, AND I think that her target, jack's catchup post was god awful and reeked of scum. I'll post my real vote on my phone at some time today but damn... Tier, your play is incredibly inconsistent if you're town.
1) "Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying."
2) "Tier, your play is incredibly inconsistent if you're town."
It's difficult to imagine commentary surrounding a vote that is LESS angry than NYD's (the only hint of it is when he says that Tier's claim was "absolute BS"... and you can tell that's not anger either since he throws an "unless" modifier in there), while at the same time he pretends to emotions that he very very very very very very very clearly does not have. He's trying to straddle "scum reading" Tier and "being angry at" Tier, while not especially succeeding at either. 468 was a borderline scumclaim for a careful reader.
In post 14, mhsmith0 wrote:btw I'll just go ahead and quote form the best player I've ever played with on that subject (part of my standard super mega IC post):
On engagement, effort, emotion and toneReading someone based on whether emotion is genuine and villagery) or not is, once you get into the habit, surprisingly effective (though admittedly there are many many many cases where it doesn't come up at all). But someone outright lying about emotion? Easy game.Soah wrote: Spiff was doing stuff that you just don't see wolves actually do -- claiming a PR with still 24 hours remaining on d1 and openly antagonizing the people pushing him the hardest, rather than just slink away and wait for a shiny object to appear that drags the votes away from him
…
Cron was working super hard at developing his reads and he had the proper emotional investment in what he was doing. I don't feel like pulling up his posts to cite specific examples, so let's just talk again about the Trundle thing. He soulreads a guy as a wolf based on one post and has four reasons for it, and he's super proud of himself and patting himself on the back for it. Wolves aren't trying that hard to develop quick reads and they tend to struggle to come up with that level of insight and they aren't good at getting the subtle emotions right. And his whole day was full of things like that. Cron has played several wolf games on this site and his posting was bland and forgettable each time.
…
I don't have time to adequately respond to that post but one thing I can say quickly is that when I'm talking about emotions, I'm specifically excluding anger. It's the easiest emotion to fake and it's one that is often not alignment-indicative even when it is genuine, unless it can be traced to an origin in something distinctly villagery.
Emotions like pride, paranoia, surprise, suspicion, etc, are more difficult to fake. Wolves often fail to even identify spots in which emotion should be present in their posting, and their efforts at actually displaying more complex emotions are often quite clumsy, for example by stating their supposed feelings rather than displaying them.
It's true! Especially for newer players. And someone lying about their emotions, in a situation where they're presenting it as game-relevant information, is pretty decently likely to be scum. As opposed to a case where someone lying about process out of being ashamed of looking bad, which depending on overall context could reasonably be town or scum.
Probably look at why you were reading everyone the way you were, and figure out what was actually correct and what was non-indicative. Also it may be useful to look at the RC-Grey fight, since that turned out to be a pretty good example of a town-town fight. It can be hard to distinguish those from town-scum fights, but it's important to look at "well these two people are fighting" as something that is, by itself, non-indicative. Someone could legitimately think someone else is scum, that doesn't automatically mean they're right (or, for that matter, that they're wrong).In post 1542, Fykus wrote:Gg guys. I seriously thought that grey had to be scum. Failing that i would have went for rc. Just goes to show that ive got a shitload to learn about the game.
Any tips for me going forward?
Oh sure, that was more a "when you rand scum don't do this" kind of thing.In post 1548, RadiantCowbells wrote:And yeah on the more complex side Nydus's interactions with Pepcho were really bad but that's not something that you should be working on immediately.
that's at least something of a scum tell, fwiw. tonally neutral and/or just not standing out at all are things that scum do sometimes.In post 1560, Fykus wrote:I guess they just seemed really neutral to me