Newbie 1826 Basketball Game Over

[UC Voyager]

hello guys.

[UC Voyager]

i will read through and catch up in morning. i got to sleep. whelp

[UC Voyager]

i will read through and catch up in morning. i got to sleep. whelp

[UC Voyager]

erg...why did that post twice!!!!!

[UC Voyager]

lol. looks like zemaj screwed thhings up for himself. he is from the same site i am from, and it is a lot different there. he actually followed standard procedure as we would there for the most part.

right off the bat im having scum reads on peaches and Plotinus

CheekyTeeky is very straight foward. making good points so far



again gtg. im sorry school sucks

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Peaches

I mean. He is in my scum list

[UC Voyager]

Page top

[UC Voyager]

I believe it is actually yeah, shame that Voyager couldn't have included that in his naked vote.

I had reasons but I am at school..... : p .....
I still am, so I only have 5-10 min time frames to make posts.....I will get back and state my reasons during lunch....which is in two periods. So lets not give him another vote until then. I'm just as much as against naked votes than you are.....

[UC Voyager]

Yea. After 5:00-6:00ish I will be more available....

[UC Voyager]

It is almost lunch. Ours at 1:00ish
It is 12:46 UCV time

[UC Voyager]

IT is now lunch
12:53 UCV time

[UC Voyager]

i voted on peaches for the exact same reason you just got a little mad at me.
i am a huge fan of naked votes (which kind of makes me a hypocrite because i did[though it was due to time issues] i dont like to do it myself)

im going to check and make sure i didn't misread earlier post before trying to make a post referring to it.(another thing) (not naked vote)

[UC Voyager]

My overall readslist is something like

{Spartan117, RC}
{CheekyTeeky}
{Xnadrojx, Clemency}
{Plotinus}
{Assemblerotws}
{Deimos27, Peaches}

see my twice-expressed scumread on zemaj, though I botched it the first time

This is valid. Could you elaborate on the Zemaj read and tell us your thoughts on others at this point? Here's where I am atm - top is town:
Spartan (conf.)
Clemency
Zemaj
Plot
Deimos
Peaches
XnadrojX
Assemblerotws

Two players that scum lean on you are also the two slots you scum lean on. I also remember seeing you regurgitating other people's reads, plus it looks like you're struggling to come up with original thoughts about the game which is why I put your slot where I did. It looks like I could be wrong about the assemble/deimos team.

VOTE: Peaches

this is a good point. he seams to scum lean on people who scum lean on him. Trying to remove the people putting pressure on them. using scum lean so he can use it as an excuse to why he voted. if Peaches flipps town, i would not be all like, ah crap, i knew he was town". i would man up and say i was wrong....i feel if he were to get his way, and the person flipped town, he would say that he knew that i they were just a lean!!!!

other than the last page, he seemed to not be around for like over 5 pages or so.....lurking!!!or IRL issues? i would like to know?

he hasn't seemed to post since we started a push on him either. i find this very weird as well. like "oh crap, they are figuring it out" "lets hide and hope that they turn they're focus to someone else??????"

[UC Voyager]

@MoD can you edit the first post so it says i replace RC who replaced Zemaj.........

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE: :

Peaches.....do yo have any defense....

who do you think is scum......
i want to hear from you...

[UC Voyager]

Would it make sense for assemble/peaches to be scum and on each other's wagon? I'm thinking not. Clemency you need to place a vote, sitting on the sidelines makes me suspicious of you.

never thought of that. it is possible.

[UC Voyager]

if peaches gives me good reason to vote assemble, i will, but right now i do not see a good reason to....

[UC Voyager]

oh....and spartan.....you said this is a SE spot. this is not actually. this a noob spot. Zemaj was a noob. Rc was SE......he got the spot because the replacment request was up long enough that he could take it, but thenhe was busy or something, so Mr.Mod had it as a noobie spot piority

[UC Voyager]

for replacment

[UC Voyager]

i like saying MR. Mod
it is fun to type....

[UC Voyager]

assemble.....
why should i not vote for you???i dont find you scummy, but is there other reasons i shouldn't?

[UC Voyager]

You believe that there are at least 1 if not 2 scum on assembles wagon, so does this mean you town read him or at least think he might be some lynch bait?

i really dont think he is scum. i really dont, but if peaches can give me a solid reason to vote for him, i

might

actually do so

what im implying is that "im missing a reason to vote for assemble, but if some one (peaches preferably_ could give me a decent reason to, i might"

[UC Voyager]

That sounds like an utterly terrible reason to vote, are you trying to be scummy? If you are town, and Assemble is town, scum can just come along give you a reason to vote for assemble and you will.... that's not townie in the slightest..

shit, i didn't think about that. this is my 5th game, so im still learning. this is my 500th counting ToS and other sites, but on ToS it was literally 1 min day, 30 sec niight

short 15 min games of mafia


so im still figuring it out.......

ya

VOTE: Peaches because where is he. he just disappeared

[UC Voyager]

ToS is how I came about this too from a friend who I played that with told me about this, It doesnt really compare tbh. But Idk how having played 5 games you are still a newbie, when this game finishes this will be my second completed game, apart from that I have played in one other game that I ended up subbing out of.

You need to make sure you announce the L- when voting especially when it gets down to L-2 and L-1, I don't really accept your excuse as acceptable as to why you would think that way, I'm gonna be watching your slot carefully as we progress as I have found a few things that you have been doing very fishy.

That is what I expect from any good player. Everyone who is town including you and me should be watching every one.....(:

[UC Voyager]

Correct. ToS is very different from this...

[UC Voyager]

I might as well keep going

UC Voyager

, you've talked more about your scumread on Peaches than you did about your scumread on me. Can you point to some of my posts that you don't like? Peaches explained her vote in 215, do you disagree with her reasoning? In 248, it sounds like you are doubting your scumread on Peaches in your first paragraph because you talk about what if peaches flips town but then you go on to talk about why you think she's scummy. Am I misunderstanding your post? What were you trying to say about Peaches there? Wait I think I get it, are you saying that it's scummy of her to scumlean people because it gives her an out if the person she is scumleaning flips town, and using yourself as an example for how you would feel if you were wrong about a scumread? Is that it or am I still getting it wrong? You seem to be townreading assemble. Can you point to some posts of his that look town? If someone you are townreading is at L-1, you should be worried that we are going to mislynch and try to get town back onto the right track. If we're going wrong here, show us the light. Who should we look at instead? Make a case for why we should lynch the person you want to lynch. Do you have scumreads outside of me and Peaches?

I have less of a scum read on you know. i posted that because well. im not exactly sure why i did that. i know when i made the post saying i thought you were scum, i was really kind of in a rush to make a post, then get to school before being late...

i will look back on the post where i talk about my scum read on peaches real quick

[UC Voyager]

i voted on peaches for the exact same reason you just got a little mad at me.
i am a huge fan of naked votes (which kind of makes me a hypocrite because i did[though it was due to time issues] i dont like to do it myself)

im going to check and make sure i didn't misread earlier post before trying to make a post referring to it.(another thing) (not naked vote)

so i just realised i made a mistake here. i meant to say i am not the biggest fan....not say i am the biggest fan

My overall readslist is something like

{Spartan117, RC}
{CheekyTeeky}
{Xnadrojx, Clemency}
{Plotinus}
{Assemblerotws}
{Deimos27, Peaches}

see my twice-expressed scumread on zemaj, though I botched it the first time

This is valid. Could you elaborate on the Zemaj read and tell us your thoughts on others at this point? Here's where I am atm - top is town:
Spartan (conf.)
Clemency
Zemaj
Plot
Deimos
Peaches
XnadrojX
Assemblerotws

Two players that scum lean on you are also the two slots you scum lean on. I also remember seeing you regurgitating other people's reads, plus it looks like you're struggling to come up with original thoughts about the game which is why I put your slot where I did. It looks like I could be wrong about the assemble/deimos team.

VOTE: Peaches

this is a good point. he seams to scum lean on people who scum lean on him. Trying to remove the people putting pressure on them. using scum lean so he can use it as an excuse to why he voted. if Peaches flipps town, i would not be all like, ah crap, i knew he was town". i would man up and say i was wrong....i feel if he were to get his way, and the person flipped town, he would say that he knew that i they were just a lean!!!!

other than the last page, he seemed to not be around for like over 5 pages or so.....lurking!!!or IRL issues? i would like to know?

he hasn't seemed to post since we started a push on him either. i find this very weird as well. like "oh crap, they are figuring it out" "lets hide and hope that they turn they're focus to someone else??????"

so with this. what i was trying to say is that at that point i thought he was targeting cheekyteeky. even though it was just a scum lean. so i was like. is he putting her on scum lean so he can try to use that as an excuse if she flips town...i mean.....why would one try to push a scum lean???? i later realized he was actually voting for assemble.

at this point i feel either assemble or peaches is scum. not sure if both

[UC Voyager]

Agreed. Plot just made a bunch of good posts
If only peaches and assemble would post more....

[UC Voyager]

Hey I'm just realised I got page top for the one to

[UC Voyager]

Lets see how many more I can get

[UC Voyager]

thank you, Spartan

That makes sense Voyager. I did misunderstand that post. I think my main problem with you at the moment is you don't really seem to care which of the major wagons gets lynched. But if you are town then you should care, because the odds that we have everything all figured out on page 12 are pretty slim most of the time. We need all hands on deck here to solve the game. When you have time, after school and after you finish your homework, I'd like you to do some reading of different players in ISO¹. Read through some people's² posts and talk to us about what you like and don't like.

1. short for isolation. It's the link at the top left of each person's post, next to the post number. Or at the bottom of the screen there is a drop down menu and a [+] where you can select up to 3 different players to look at in isolation together.
   
2. assemble and peaches are a good start because they're the major wagons, but I encourage you to branch out from there.

Yes. I care.
What I care most about is if we get the right one. I think that one of the two wagons are on a scum. The other is town. I want to see evidence that they are not scum....i think peaches is scum, but if he gives me a good reason that he isn't scum or that assemble is, I might side with him

[UC Voyager]

Lets see how many more I can get

Aren't you in math class or something?

Yes. I care.
What I care most about is if we get the right one. I think that one of the two wagons are on a scum. The other is town. I want to see evidence that they are not scum....i think peaches is scum, but if he gives me a good reason that he isn't scum or that assemble is, I might side with him

ok. I mean, you're probably right that one of them is because I can't really feel assemble's beating heart at all.

i mean...who says i never break the rules and post during class?????though i generally am very limited during class....dont rely on me breaking the rules though to be available....

[UC Voyager]

The rest of you are contributing enough already. I feel like I have a good understanding of where Deimos is coming from and what his reads are and why he's pushing the things he's pushing. I like and support the assemble push. The reason your last post broke the forum is that tags have to be closed in a mirror image of how they are opened:

Oh gosh I saw that my signature seemed strangely large on my phone but I thought it was just a mobile glitch. Nope, my post is literally breaking the forum.
Thanks for the advice, it seems fairly straightforward but it gets confusing when you have 3-4+ tags open at the same time.

i really dont think he is scum. i really dont

Voyager, what makes you so confident Assemble is town?

what makes me think assemble isn't town????what has he done to be scum?????

[UC Voyager]

i mean. what makes me think assemble IS town......sorry typo

[UC Voyager]

Ok announcing intent to hammer assemble in the next 12 hours.

why????
what reasons

i really dont think he is scum, but whatever.

[UC Voyager]

[gifv][/gifv]

Ok announcing intent to hammer assemble in the next 12 hours.

why????
what reasons

i really dont think he is scum, but whatever.

I don't think so either but Plot is right about how he has no pulse now and also about us running around as headless chickens if we leave it too long. If he's town he really hasn't even tried to help himself this game. I said 12 hours to give him a chance to defend himself.

ok -- that makes sinse

[UC Voyager]

hi

lol
did assemble forget he was in this game???

[UC Voyager]

I will be v/la for the next few days

so my parents are divorced right. so im with my dad on school days, and im at my moms on the weekend. simple. well i got a school and home lap top. i guess i grabbed myy school lap top charger to take to my moms in stead of my moms, so my battery is toast! i will try to post mobile if i can, but this is a btw....

[UC Voyager]

due to a lack of defense on his case, i agree to hammer assemble

VOTE: assemble

this isn't because i wont be active. this is because he just wont post and try to defend his case. he is just trying to lay back and hope no one finishes him. we know he has been online, but yet he doesn't post when all this pressure is on him?????we have given him to many warnings...

[UC Voyager]

oh opps

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE: peaches
VOTE: assemble
my bad

[UC Voyager]

Wtf...you're supposed to wait for a claim.

we have waited, and waited and waited and waited.......he seems to be online.....so why does he not post...possibly trying to avoid lynch by dragging out claim....we have given him a chance, and he refused it. if he flips town, then crap, but so far, i havn't seen a reason to vote for him. WHy? because he hasn't made a post, so that is that

[UC Voyager]

Thats the point of announcing intent to hammer BEFORE hammering. Now we lose you too and if you're town you've just crippled us with 4 town losses....

you do?????i have never had to do that TBH......i mean. im not lying, i havn't, but for reals. we keep nagging on him, but he wont post....

[UC Voyager]

page top

[UC Voyager]

one...(on going) so i will not descuss more than i already have

[UC Voyager]

but for real. how many times have we asked for him to freaking post!!!!!he still doesn't.......as plot pointed out earlier, he has been online, but refused to post!!!

[UC Voyager]

but from now on, i will refrain from hammering until I announce that i will do so. i was unaware that it was a common thing to do

[UC Voyager]

Recent posts from Xnadj feel pretty town, Assemble is where I want my vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Assemble

L-1

Since the IC hasn't yet explained this:
Do not hammer before stating an intent to do so and asking for a claim.
Ignoring the above is equivalent to a scumclaim.

Did you miss this UCV?

Have you read the past how many things i posted?

[UC Voyager]

No matter how convinced you are, you need to remember that this is a team game. If we have accidentally lynched a PR then it cripples town. Also town is inclined to lynch you next day phase if you quickhammer because it only benefits scum.

if your so convinced i am tomarrows lynch, then why do you imply im town...if im a (idiot) town, then you guys should know not to lynch me

[UC Voyager]

Not to mention that you ignored the request of confirmed town to hold off until we have enough evidence to get the buddy too. (If assemble is scum).

Pedit because it is policy to lynch the quickhammer. The responsibility lies with you to understand this. Not with us to let VI's live because they don't know any better.

ok. sure i didn't do what another person wanted me to, but as i have said. we keep waiting for assemble to post, but as i assume, he is just lurking!!!


i understand where you are coming from though. i should have at least given him some more time first. i was just so annoyed with the fact he couldn't even make a single post!!!not even to say. give me a little. im busy......

[UC Voyager]

im pretty sure he will flip scum though, and that peaches was the innocent of the two.

[UC Voyager]

not a bad thing. ( :
better than losing another townie if i do say so myself. on the flip side, we re out of PRs.....
we are all the equivalent of a VT.
i will post more tomorrow

[UC Voyager]

In my defense. I was thinking he wasn't scum due to the fact he wouldn't post. Then realised he was literally lurking. He was online. Not posting though. I wasn't aware that people had to call "hammers". I really was starting to think he was scum. He had so much pressure on him and did not post. If I'm correct, lurking is a common scum move.

Right now I want to hear from the most silent / inactive people
Peaches, Clemency, whatnot.

I really think CheekyTeeky is town. Her defense of a town member was townie. And she tried to explain to me that what I did was scummy. That I shouldn't do it.

I will post more at lunch when I get the chance

[UC Voyager]

In my defense. I was thinking he wasn't scum due to the fact he wouldn't post

. Then realised he was literally lurking. He was online. Not posting though. I wasn't aware that people had to call "hammers". I really was starting to think he was scum. He had so much pressure on him and did not post. If I'm correct, lurking is a common scum move.

Right now I want to hear from the most silent / inactive people
Peaches, Clemency, whatnot.

I really think CheekyTeeky is town. Her defense of a town member was townie. And she tried to explain to me that what I did was scummy. That I shouldn't do it.

I will post more at lunch when I get the chance

Uh, sorry. You were townreading a lack of activity? How in hell?
Like I said, there was no reason for you to be townreading him. This reasoning is terrible for the certainty you displayed. That was not a legitimate townread. Only scum knows the alignments of others.

Then because Plotinus demonstrated that he was online at one point, you decided he was lurking and chose to hammer him without letting him claim.
It's not just a matter of stating intent. You said you have a history in ToS, I know asking for a claim is standard practice there also. With days left on the deadline how do you not do so this time?

Spartan had a bunch of other great points, care to address them?

It is only fair to adress. In ToS, you ask for someone's role if you are investigator, cop, etc. And if they claim one of the roles you came back with, you know they are telling the truth.

Role Call is the term for when everyone claims a role. But it is very late game. The reason it doesn't happen early is jester will try to get himself lynched.

So it isn't standard procedure to claim role

[UC Voyager]

ok


i have a town read on Spartan....because well.....

I have a town read on cheekyTeeky. she seems pretty pro-town. sh explained to me why i was a little scummy, and that i shouldn't do that. and seemed to be hesitant on voting. seemed pretty townie

i have a town read on Plot. she keeps making very good points, and is drawing people out of their holes, so scum cant lurk.


i have a feeling Peaches is scum, but i am thinking that for the same reason i hammered assemble. because he isn't posting, so im not sure if he is scummy or not.

i have a scum lean with clemency. i found it funny he jumped on my wagon and used "everyone else said everything" as a reason. as if he doesn't know why, but knows he can use other people coming up with reasons, but again. He might have been thinking the same thing that spartan117 was thinking.

[UC Voyager]

No, I've played ToS. When someone is on the stand they have to claim role and post will. It is standard procedure.

if someone gets enough votes to be put on trial, there is a 95% chance they will be voted for no matter what they say, so it doesn't really happen!!!

[UC Voyager]

WHY would i self hammer????

[UC Voyager]

townie-scummy

1-Spartan117-most townie
2-CheekyTeeky
3-Plotinus
4-Deimos27
5- Clemency (just a little. [he doesn't seem super scummy. it is just that everyone else seems townie] )
6-XadrojX (im not to sure. he hasnt posted. like. at all)

/

Peaches (possibly lurking. idk.

) - most scummy

[UC Voyager]

i have a town read on Spartan....because well.....

Why do you think im townie?

you claimed one shot bullet proof in day one. it was one of your first posts. you could have been lying though

IDK. you also seem very townie in general

[UC Voyager]

Good

what is this supposed to mean????

[UC Voyager]

I dunno. At first I thought the scum play must indicate inexperienced players, but I think that the strat to kill of conf. town on N2 would be a pretty clever scum gambit. I'm not denying that UCV's actions have been scummy but what about the possibility of it being a set-up? I think Plot would be an ideal candidate for someone experienced enough to know that killing conf. town prior to LYLO is worth a no-kill N1. Whilst it is possible that UCV is the buddy to an experienced player, I think the scum we need to worry about is the one planning ahead. Another candidate could be Deimos here.

If UCV is scum his reads list will be very telling, as Plot and Deimos received null town spots on the list. His argument for Plot being more town than Deimos is pretty weak, although I'm not sure which player it implicates more.

Thoughts?

tbh, i think i could have put demos and plot on the same spot. i mean, they both dont seem super scummy, but at the same time, are not super townie.

[UC Voyager]

Good

what is this supposed to mean????

I was making sure that you were town reading me for my conf town basis and not that you forgot and was just thinking I was town.

ok

[UC Voyager]

[quote="In post 378, XnadrojX"]

Plot is your readslist up for public consumption yet?

/quote]


you might need to wait while for PLot. She said she would be inactive for a few days. If i am correct, she said she was sick or something

[UC Voyager]

opps. that didn't work.... did it

[UC Voyager]

ok listen.

im not scum. i swear.
since i guess we are supposed to claim, i will. i claim VT. because everyone else who is town is.

i will be honest. i didn't know that your supposed to call hammer. I really didn't.
consider this
if i were scum, why would i pull such a scummy move. do scum try to be scummy

i honestly thought that assemble was mafia. he lurked. a common scum move which i see scum do often.

[UC Voyager]

ok listen.

im not scum. i swear.
since i guess we are supposed to claim, i will. i claim VT. because everyone else who is town is.

i will be honest. i didn't know that your supposed to call hammer. I really didn't.
consider this
if i were scum, why would i pull such a scummy move. do scum try to be scummy

i honestly thought that assemble was mafia. he lurked. a common scum move which i see scum do often.

This doesn't help because you'd say it regardless of alignment.
Just explain how you got such a certain townread on Assemble based on his

inactivity

.
When you've done that, please explain how such a certain townread became an instant scumread in about the space of 10 posts, without Assemble even saying anything in between. A scumread worthy of hammering without asking for a claim.

no. my townread on him wasn't because he was inactive. it was because he wasn't posting, so it wasn't like he was saying scummy things. which sent a red alarm once i realized.

[UC Voyager]

That's literally what inactivity means in the context of Mafia. You still haven't explained why the fact that you didn't think he had said anything scummy automatically made him town in your eyes.
How can a lack of posting be indicative of town?

You're also exaggerating the lurking thing. Plotinus demonstrated

one

time when he was online without posting and you took that as being AI enough for him to die without getting to claim. Even though we still had days left on the deadline.

no. i meant. i didn't think he was scum because he didn't say anything scummy. i do a ot of assuming one is town. why? because town is a good most of players. inactivity doesn't mean town, but he didn't say anything scummy.

i might have exaggerated a little. idk.......gtg...i will post tomorrow...i am tired...

[UC Voyager]

Still delerious with alternating fever and hypothermia. Getting antibiotics today but don't know how long till they'll kick in. If I can't post something coherent by Friday then I will replace out to give my replacement enough time in the day phase to do something. Sorry guys.

yikes. that sounds bad. hope that you get better.

[UC Voyager]

While I don't know if I like the idea of Voyager in LyLo(no offense), I feel like I should play a bit of devil's advocate here, so scum doesn't get another free mislynch.

While it may seem scummy, the defense that he simply didn't know he had to claim can't be discredited. Considering how new his account is, I'd assume it's his first game here.
We all had our eyes on Assemble(Well, most of us) and I was about ready to claim intent myself.

I wouldn't blame anyone for hammering Assemble, due to how he was playing so apathetically, like he was just bored scum that got caught early. The 'online but not posting' thing especially got to me.
Perhaps this was due to a lack of motivation, or other matters, but he was the best option at a time.

I don't necessarily think Voyager is innocent, but I want to create a counter-argument so if he's scum, he's taken down by facts rather than gut.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

it is not my first. this is my 6th game i think. im in 7, but in none of them i have had to hammer. in all other lynches i took part in, i joined the wagon earlier.

[UC Voyager]

Voyager, I find it hard to believe that you saw no one else intent to hammer or ask for a claim in any of those five games before this one.

as i said. in every one which i was part of a lynch train, i joined in more earlier. most of them are day 1/2 anyway. i am in them at the same time. i will say no more about them. you can look into that yourself

[UC Voyager]

Well we might as well get UCV flipped since nothing much is happening.
VOTE: UCV

L-1.

Yep, I've seen enough.
VOTE: Voyager

That's hammer.

So what alignment were you, Voyager?
Lying after having already been lynched is extremely bad etiquette, so please don't do that. It is known as "twilight trolling".

someone left the train btw
i thought you already vote anyway

VOTE: Demios
sorry. he is trying to make advantage of something that was a simple noob mistake. Just because you claim when you play in ToS, i dont play that way. what does ToS even have to do with this. It makes no since!

[UC Voyager]

if im wrong and it is a hammer, i am VT town alligned

[UC Voyager]

oh it isn't. ok.....well then....it doesn't matter since all town are VT, so it doesn't help scum find PR.

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:


just realized what was happening there


ok. im sorry for hammering. I didn't even know that assemble always lurks. I just found that out recently. Here is one thing you should know about ToS, Scum/ SK always tend to lurk. they just do!

How i play, this might not be how you play, but how i play, someone's claim doesn't mean much because generally one isn't even close to a lynch until town knows almost for a fact someone is scum......

lets not use ToS as a reference point. ToS is very different from this site!

lets throw some reads out there

Plot might be an issue because she is sick.
Demios seems very suspicious for the whole ToS thing/UCV is lying! looks kind of scummy, but could be scum hunt/trying make another "scum slip"
CT seems a little more silent today.
Spartan is still townie as hell
Clemency is....i want to say townie, but im not exactly sure yet
XX is still very inactive.

[UC Voyager]

i think we need to hear from them.....i dont think Peaches has posted at all

[UC Voyager]

i litterally forgot about Peaches there for a sec

[UC Voyager]

seconded

i also think Plot should be replaced.
ik she is sick, but still.

[UC Voyager]

They didn't have one. They realised it was fake.

They????i am one person

At first i was confused, i was like "i thought that...", and voted for demios........i later said that i was VT, but then immediately said after that i was at l-2, so i wasn't just hammered, then unvoted demios

[UC Voyager]

oh...........................
.........
.................
...........
.........
Just call me a he

[UC Voyager]

Why so many ellipses?
I also tend to accidentally say "they" a lot, since I know a few genderqueer people. If it bothers you, I apologise in advance.

i have a feeling Peaches is scum, but i am thinking that for the same reason i hammered assemble. because he isn't posting, so im not sure if he is scummy or not.

Just noticed this in your ISO.
What happened to assuming everyone is town until evidence is provided to the contrary?

okay....

As i said, I thought that assemble was inno and just had IRL issues until i realized he was online and not posting....
Peaches. Im not sure if he is online ever or not. either way. he should be replaced. he is probably actually having IRL issues or something

[UC Voyager]

I mean. i generally assume one is town until they say something scummy. I realized assemble wasn't saying something scummy. why wasn't he. he wasn't saying much at all, which i found scummy.

[UC Voyager]

Why so many ellipses?
I also tend to accidentally say "they" a lot, since I know a few genderqueer people. If it bothers you, I apologise in advance.

i have a feeling Peaches is scum, but i am thinking that for the same reason i hammered assemble. because he isn't posting, so im not sure if he is scummy or not.

Just noticed this in your ISO.
What happened to assuming everyone is town until evidence is provided to the contrary?

okay....

As i said, I thought that assemble was inno and just had IRL issues until i realized he was online and not posting....
Peaches. Im not sure if he is online ever or not. either way. he should be replaced. he is probably actually having IRL issues or something

That's weird, cause earlier you said you thought Assemble was town

because

he wasn't posting. Now you're saying you thought he was town, and he wasn't posting because of IRL issues. Which is it?

let me try to give you a step by step events kind of thing

1-I think assemble is inactive due to IRL issues.
1 1/2-Because of this, there is nothing he said that makes me think he is scum
2-Plot points out he has been online
3-I realize that he is lurking
4-I thought he was scum

[UC Voyager]

I am not sure about Xnadroj. he made A post. made a huge case on clemency i think...then left.....

I had a town read on CheekyTeeky, but based on her last posts, I kind of think she might be scum. She seems to be freaking out about you guys not lynching me. As if she had got a little scared when the possibility of a real scum being found. Possibly not. I also found it strange when she told me that I was going to get 2 towns miss lynched after i hammered assemble. considering Assemble's role hadn't been announced yet, how could she know that both me and assemble were town. Plus. if she was so sure that i was just a really bad town, why would she make it sound like it was GOING to happen. if i seem like an idiot town, why vote for me.

Once again- spartan117 is a town read. lol

i would like to hear from plot, but he/she/they is sick. (ima try using they a little more when im not sure)

I think demios is pretty townie. His Trap idea was clever and should be used again! hopefully getting a scum next time ( :

I would love to hear Peaches!!!!

[UC Voyager]

all my games are on going. i have a few finished, but they are on going...

[UC Voyager]

meta?

i have heard this term used before, but i have never really known what it meant

[UC Voyager]

It means that's your style, or in other words how you play.

oh. ok

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

here is why

-Yesterday. after I made the hammer post. She said that what i did was scummy and just got two townie's miss lynched. She said that i was going to be lynched. here is the thing. How would she know that me and assemble are town. Also, if she was so sure i was just an idiot town, why would she vote for me today?

-After i went down to l-2, she freaked out. she tried to keep the train going. Possibly, She is currently worried that people will start to be worried about people finding the actual scum.

i had a town read on her at start of day, but i have begun to question that

i really want to hear from Peaches. He hasn't said anything today. it is insane

[UC Voyager]

I honestly think CT is scum...

it just makes since to me to be honest

[UC Voyager]

Pretty much everything you see as scum can be explained.

what????i dont understand this post

[UC Voyager]

page top /\

[UC Voyager]

IDK what to say at this point tbh

[UC Voyager]

You're acting pretty scummy warping information to suit your narrative.

There is a quote from an american comedian I enjoy watching called Reginald D. Hunter, he talks about in batman where they say to conqueror fear you must become fear.

I know a quote, or just an epic scen from that comes from star trek Voyager......

Hologram of Janeway: you know as well as i do that fear exists for one purpose. To be conquered

Clown: She tricked me

Hologram of Janeway: Did she? or was there a part of you actually hoping to be defeated? Isn't that why you allowed Captain janeway to come here? Because you sensed she had the power to subdue you?

Clown: NO! She lied! It was very un-starfleet of her.

Hologram of Janeway: Starfleet captains don't easily succumb to fear.

Clown: what will become of us? Of me?

Hologram of Janeway: Like all fear, you eventually...Vanish!

Clown: I am afraid.

Hologram of janeway:

I Know.

sorry for the long fluff post, but i just had to

youtube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw8WIwgaxI

[UC Voyager]

Was there a point to that..

no. you just made a post about fear, and you know. i have the star trek name.....so...ya

moving on

[UC Voyager]

Well we might as well get UCV flipped since nothing much is happening.
VOTE: UCV

Just didn't really like this, It leads to someone getting night killed soooo much sooner than they need to be, most definitely its gonna be me, so I don't like the eagerness to end this day, looked way too opportunistic, especially since there hasnt even been any attempt to find any other scum, so we would go into day 3 blank.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Wtf more info are you going to get from a cheeky mislynch? You're going to get more info from UCV being lynched based on his interactions D1 and today. Ugh! Our differing opinions on UCV don't make me scum.

Its not about the differing of opinions its that you wanted to lynch him quickly to end the day leading to me getting killed and then town having no idea who is mafia, plus your responses now showing how worried you are on getting lynched are much more indicative of scum than town, so I ask you, who is your partner?

....I wanted something to happen. As scum it would make more sense to cruise along in the nothingness that was going. Really, you're scum reading me for hypothetical actions I'm planning ahead? BS.
No. My anger is that every fucking game I am pushed as town to a mislynch. I've been criticised as not reacting the right way be egging it on so now I'm trying to say you're bloody wrong and wasting our time instead of let's effing do get on my wagon.

Anyway if you have anything sensible to case me with I'll talk because your thoughtless approach right now is just making me angry.

The planning ahead you was doing was in Voyager getting lynched not planning ahead to day 3, I'm not going to be here then, so I'm trying to find out the scum for the future too, also I am feeling less of a scum read on Voyager, I need to go read his other games to get a better idea on his meta. You can't just tell me I can't scum read you, most town would act more calmly in this situation, calling my approach thoughtless and insinuating I have not said anything sensible is not helping your case, and getting angry just blurrs your case.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

here is why

-Yesterday. after I made the hammer post. She said that what i did was scummy and just got two townie's miss lynched. She said that i was going to be lynched. here is the thing. How would she know that me and assemble are town. Also, if she was so sure i was just an idiot town, why would she vote for me today?

-After i went down to l-2, she freaked out. she tried to keep the train going. Possibly, She is currently worried that people will start to be worried about people finding the actual scum.

i had a town read on her at start of day, but i have begun to question that

i really want to hear from Peaches. He hasn't said anything today. it is insane

CheekyTeeky
in stead of saying that spartan is "making a narrative" or "we should have lynched UCV"
how about explaining why we shouldn't think you are scum

[UC Voyager]

UCV I'm not arguing why I'm town. That's an epic waste of time and the onus is on you to sort me. Trying to point out why I'm town in this spot, is like trying to explain that I'm Muslim but not a Terrorist to Donald Trump.

UCV how come your tone has changed from "Oh please help me I don't understand anything" to a pretty calculated case on me? You have provided utter crap this far so it seems like an act if you're capable of acting like you are now with this push.

uhhhh
so. i am a noob, so i cant come up with reasons????
tone?????this is typing???there is no tone???/
yes. I didn't say i didn't understand anything. i just said i didn't know that you were supposed to call hammer before you hammer. i didn't say i couldn't come p with reasons to support my claim

here is something to consider. IF you think arguing is a waste of time, why did you ask me why I changed tone?
kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

I think you are scum because of the reasons i have already listed.

[UC Voyager]

a pretty calculated case on me?

How is this helping?

[UC Voyager]

Peaches did not respond to prod and will be replaced.

yikes
well....he wouldn't post. thats on him
VOat count please

[UC Voyager]

Making a new read list.....

the higher the number, the more the scummy

1-Spartan (most townie)

Spoiler:

The biggest reason is because he is confirmed town pretty much. unless one shot bullet proof decided not to out spartan which i wouldn't understand...He also seems very pro-town. Yesterday he was part of the group of people trying to save assemble from being lynched. I feel that is very townie.

2-Diemos27

Spoiler:

His scum trap was an amazing idea. He also isn't just targeting one person. He is considering everyone as scum (except Spartan). I have always found this to be townie.

3-Clemency

Spoiler:

This is one im not the most sure about. I found their vote on me to be a little scummy because they didn't state any reasons, they just said that the people before him said the reasons. Other than that though, im not to sure. I might actually read his posts.

4-XandrosX

Spoiler:

The issue with him is he makes one or two posts then doesn't come back to continue making his argument. Today, he started with a huge case on Clemency. Then didn't make another post. The wagon didn't really start. Then, He makes a case on me and once again, hasn't come back to make any more posts that could support his case. So i get something of a scum vibe from him

5-CheekyTeeky (Most scummy)

Spoiler:

During day one/start of day 2, i got a town read on CheekyTeeky, but that changed. After I hammered Assemble. She was talking as if i just got two townies lynched. (she implied i was todays lynch). She explained why she said assemble was townie, but me? she had no reason to think I was town,
so why would she say 2 townies lynched? Also, if she did get a town read on me, then why would she try to make it sound like i had to be lynched. Wouldn't it be better to lynch a mafia than to lynch an idiot town? And why would she vote me today. Going on, after She got a vote from Spartan117 and i lost a few votes, Why did she freak out? She went on to say things like "UCV needs to be lynched"...and whenever asked about almost anything, she would say that You guys need to lynch me. She also started to say tht Spartan117 was just "making a narrative" or something like that. I didn't understand that defense.

I don't have any reads for
-peaches slot
-Plot

due to their inactivity.

[UC Voyager]

Good bye Plot. We will remember you

[UC Voyager]

If I'm correct. Gorny is on list for replacement and I'm pretty sure he is IE so hopefully he will give us some good reads

[UC Voyager]

so MOD....can we have a vote count

[UC Voyager]

OK like, I'm more sure of Cheeky being town than UCV being scum at this point, so can you guys like, not, push the obvtown ty.

Also I'm seriously intending to hammer UCV, someone allcaps me "no" before I do it like, tomorrow.

Going to continue shitting on UCV even if I said i wasn't going to because #492 really

really

disturbs me.

Noob defense is invalid, and if it was you basically said "I have no reasons" and used "I'm a noob" to justify them, which completely invalidates your vote if you were going for that in the first place. Tries to screw with Cheeky saying "prove you're town", when the initiative should be on the person creating the case. Proceeds to discredit by twisting her words into "arguments are a waste of time", which just takes it right out of context. A whole lot more shit can be come up with about why UCV is scum but it's pretty blatantly obvious so I'll stop here.

Spartan why are you still on Cheeky even after you agreed that you basically catch-22ed them, it doesn't further your town agenda and encouraging shit like 493 and 496 isn't helping at all. Even if you're confirmed town pls don't do this to us.

Uhh I think you misunderstood my post
This is what I said

-Ok. I didn't know you were supposed to declare a hammer

-how does this effect my ability to make a case

-I did not say I could not make good reasons because I was new. I don't know where you got that from

[UC Voyager]

Votecount 2.04

Peaches (1)

Deimos27 ,

CheekyTeeky (2)

Spartan117 , UC Voyager ,

UC Voyager (3)

Clemency , CheekyTeeky , XnadrojX , L-2

Not Voting (3)

Peaches , Plotinus ,

Day two deadline is Sunday October 22nd, 10 PM PST. (expired on 2017-10-22 22:00:00)

Replacing Plotinus

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[/size]

Do you find a new one of those each time or do you just have a folder of basketball gifs?

never thought about where he got these......

[UC Voyager]

Sad to see you go, Plot!
I hope these replacements don't take too long, we're already 21 pages in after all.

For some reason UCV is starting to feel more and more just like VI. It's weird that basically everybody in this game were completely ready to lynch UCV, so unless the scumteam is exactly UCV/Plot or UCV/Peaches I don't think scum would bus their scumpartner that hard. Feels like lynchbait.
I don't know how much sense that makes.

Of the pushes on him Clemency's feels most scum motivated for a few reasons:
1. His vote didn't have any original reasoning behind it, feels more like following the flow of the game.
2. His 403 just pings me because it's defending Voyager, while still keeping his vote on him. Not to mention the reasoning in it was pretty bad, as I've already demonstated. "I don't necessarily think he's town" is weird fencesitting too since he's voting Voyager and has recently claimed it's a scumread.

I also get a scumvibe from a lot of Clemency's play yesterday.
3. He never actually provides a read on the Assemble slot yesterday. In 119 he says he doesn't like Assemble's tone, but then continues to focus on the zemaj slot instead (121). Then in 266 he says he's not sitting on the sidelines, that Assemble is the wagon he wants to be on. But if you read his ISO Clemency barely interacts with Assemble at all. He never states he thinks Assemble is scum, he doesn't even push the slot.
It really seems to me that Clemency was trying to disassociate himself with the Assemble wagon, since he knew it was gonna flip town.

Even if you disagree with the above reasoning, if you read Clemency's ISO it's fairly obvious he is in fact fencesitting the entire game. I see him make a lot of posts but

he doesn't scumhunt at all.

For stated reasons:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Clemency

I'm not sure about Cheeky but so far they've played pretty pro-town so as of now I'd rather lynch someone more detrimental today.

I poke around a little, and think this does seem like CheekyTeeky's "meta" or how she plays town. *shrug*. i still find a few things suspicious about her, but i do want to consider other possibilities.

I have considered Clemency as scum also. I mean, He has a few posts that make little since, but he isn't a newer player. I dont see him scum slipping to hard. Voting without reason i pretty scummy...but anyone who has ever "scum" knows not to do it as scum. possibly Clemency really meant that everyone else had lisited the reasons, but wouldn't it had been fair to at least second them by listing a few notable ones even if they had already been said. IM not sure what all to think about clemency, i might iso them and take a look

[UC Voyager]

hey a pagetop /\
l

[UC Voyager]

wow. I just read Clemency's ISO.....Not much to go off of. lot of "Non relevant" or "useless stuff". It could be Them trying to lurk without looking like they are lurking, but might just be that he had not much to go off of, but today he has said more things relevent to the game than last day. ima try to find some things to quote..... : p

[UC Voyager]

Also, I'll be keeping my focus on Zemaj's slot, something seemed off about it to me, but I can't fully place my finger on it yet.

Oh no

Do you not want to play with me?

We all love you, but we know how well you can play scum.

I believe it is actually yeah, shame that Voyager couldn't have included that in his naked vote.

As if that slot couldn't get any more foggy.

They seemed to have a lot of focus on my slot, but filed to explain why.....they just said that something is off. This seems a little scummy, but i would like to see some of his other scum games to compare.

They don't expect to die Night 1?

why wouldn't they. if im correct. This was talking about Assemble, But why would He not expect to be night killed? This isn't necessarily scummy, but it makes no since. Was it just the Early game talk, or did it have a point to it

After the fake Hammer. (props to Demios. I might use that in future games). Clemency posted this. As to why? I dont know. Everything he has said before about me seemed to say he had a scum vibe from me, but yet He posted this after the fake hammer. Wouldn't he think it was a good decision if He had thought I was scum?

While I don't know if I like the idea of Voyager in LyLo(no offense), I feel like I should play a bit of devil's advocate here, so scum doesn't get another free mislynch.

While it may seem scummy, the defense that he simply didn't know he had to claim can't be discredited. Considering how new his account is, I'd assume it's his first game here.
We all had our eyes on Assemble(Well, most of us) and I was about ready to claim intent myself.

I wouldn't blame anyone for hammering Assemble, due to how he was playing so apathetically, like he was just bored scum that got caught early. The 'online but not posting' thing especially got to me.
Perhaps this was due to a lack of motivation, or other matters, but he was the best option at a time.

I don't necessarily think Voyager is innocent, but I want to create a counter-argument so if he's scum, he's taken down by facts rather than gut.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

This defiantly makes me unsure if he is town or scum because im not sure if playing devils advocate is scummy or not TBH. It isn't like lurking which is naturally considered scummy! Im not eactly sure what to make of this. : p


overall. I think he might be scum. The fact he has done little scum hunting is very weird, but I don't want to overthink something like that. It MIGHT get a town lynched, but I wouldn't want to Ignore it and let a scum live.

[UC Voyager]

Hey there Luca

I will do what i always do when a new player joins game.


UNVOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY
VOTE: LUCA

dont worry. I will unvote. I just love to put a vote on someone when they first join game

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thor

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

this is to much for me to take.

[UC Voyager]

Greetings everybody, I'm the new Plotinus.

My initial thought is that I should just vote UC Voyager and demand a claim for the joy of it.

@UC Why are you the top scumspect at the moment?

Also, has anyone claimed BP yet?

yea. Spartan.....

I think you should read through today and yesterday.......
Im getting A lot of pressure do to me hammering yesterday. And i have already Claimed VT. Im not sure which page though

Here is a way to put what went down

1- I replace in
2- I find a scum read on Peaches
3- I defend Assemble
4- I realize he is lurking and Hammer him without announcing it before hand and asking for claim.

and now a lot of stuff happened today which would be hard to summarize

Im thinking CheekyTeeky to be Scum, but she does seem to be playing her town play. She still has a few scummy moments if you ask me.

So. Do what Plot couldn't do for us.

Can you give some reads (:

[UC Voyager]

that is an awesome title you have there thor "Papa Smurf"

My dog Skyler will attack a red laser beam. We started calling it a Smurf. I can only imagine my dog attacking you now. lol

[UC Voyager]

woa...lets calm down there

the whole "when to claim" thing all depends on the situation I think.

Just in case i hadn't already UNVOTE: Thor VOTE: CheekyTeeky


let me do some rereading and state some things i think

[UC Voyager]

I thin CheekyTeeky feels more and more scummy...I mean, She Is still trying to lynch me, and now calls it a policy lynch, and when Thor disagrees even for a little, you get mad and call him scum!

[UC Voyager]

Thor, look at 553. This has been his play the whole game. He is a nightmare to have as town and is a liability. All his points have been refuted but he keeps pushing a wagon on me and flip flops all over the place. He hammered Assemble with literally bs reasoning and then said he is too much of a noob to understand giving intent to hammer and he had zero reasoning apart from being frustrated that assemble hadn't said anything. I've already said I don't want him if we get to LYLO. Scum would love to have him at LYLO if he is town. He might as well be a mafia traitor with how pro-scum he's been acting.

Ok guys.. listen to this......

CT LOGIC

IF he is town, we should still lynch him because he is a liability!
It is better to Lynch Town, than to lynch actual scum!

[UC Voyager]

Um but I'm not scum so you're still missing the point. Do me a favour and don't join any future games I'm in.

damn.....that hurts........

[UC Voyager]

I honestly Really Wish assemble was more active tbh.

Im holding my stance on Cheeky.

IS this really Her meta? I mean. i have seen a few of her games, and it is kind of similar, but not super similar...

[UC Voyager]

if this is her actuall meta, then i will gladly unvote her.


Cheeky

can you post some links to your town games and possibly some scum games

[UC Voyager]

im going to go eat or something. This last hour or so has been a little crazy TBH


I might look through some finished games for CheekyTeeky


I think CheekyTeeky is scum, but a lot of people have said that this is how she plays town, but im not to sure.......
I think the whole Clemency cse could be possible, but there isn't hard evidence

Hey lucca. what do you think? You haven't said a thing.

[UC Voyager]

if this is her actuall meta, then i will gladly unvote her.


Cheeky

can you post some links to your town games and possibly some scum games

I think I remember her mentioning to RC earlier in Day 1 that she hasn't rolled scum yet, but don't hold me to that, my memories of every single post by everyone aren't optimal xD

lol. M biggest fear in mafia is to miss read something and get lynched because of it

[UC Voyager]

my inicial thoughts:

CheekyTeeky

: not feeling the wagon. overall through the game, cheeky was the townier player for me. I liked her interaction with RC through the game, don't think a scum!teeky would go right after RC when he enters the game. 367, I loved it, it reflected my thoughts on the nightkill as well, and I liked her reaction to Spartan's vote on 449. though, I have to ask, are you an alt?

Voyager

: he's clearly mislynch bait. my thoughts on the slot change page to page, and right now I think he's mislynch bait. when he entered the game, I disliked that spot, especially his complacency on who got lynched, between Peaches/Assembler, given thats two town slots, and scum!voyager would know it. but at the start of D2 I started thinking he's a probable mislynch bait. the attempted killing of the BP suggests to me that the scumteam is on a good spot to win the game, not feeling a lot of pressure at the moment. the derphammer made voyager perfect bait for any scum to pile on him D2. Deimos immediately accusing him, I didn't like this too. generally, Voyager is trying to blend in so hard that makes me think he is just desperate town trying to survive. the thing about the derphammer is that, FMPOV, I know that the two rival wagons on D-1 were on town, aka Peaches and Assembler. scum wasn't feeling any pressure. there was no reason at all for a scum player to feel the need to quickhammer. if voyager was scum, he would know that it was inevitable that a town player would be lynched D1. that said, I want to re-read the end of D1, and I will, when making a VCA post, to see if Voyager was being pressured enough to believe a quickhammer would be beneficial.

Plotinus/Thor

: the only notes I have on Plotinus are a possible coaching moment with Xnadro on 284 and a good answer from him on 303. have to reread Thor entrance because to me right now he is null. the thing that makes me pause about him is the fact that he is still alive. I expect a newbie scum team to kill Plotinus instantly, and there are good candidates here: xnadro and voyager.

Spartan

: can I get a readlist from you?

Clemency

: making a more specific post on a situation on the game that concerns him, but I don't like that slot overall, and the point that Deimos has that Clemency was not pushing Assembler when Assembler was at l-1, Clemency was no-voting and declared Assembler as his biggest scum read is pretty damning. I don't like Deimos a lot, but that point sure is good.

Xnadro

: have no idea. think he's newbtown at the moment. a thing that I noticed is that he is pretty concerned about how he's being read. on 377 he clearly wanted to vote Voyager and put him at L-1. but this was after the big derphammer, so he went and voted Clemency at 378. on post 501 he goes and vote Voyager, putting Voyager at L-2 instead of L-1. detail: he was voting together with his scumread Clemency, with no reaction to that. he needs to post more. I want him engaging with me, so, xnadro, any questions?

Deimos

: don't like this slot one bit. he was trying to go for town leader, but got shut out by Plot and assumed a more quiet position. his posts seems opportunistic. his D1 is tunneling Assembler from the start to the finish, so he shouldn't have this big of a problem with the hammer. 347 looks to me like it was made at night: knowing that Voyager is the easiest mislynch, I expected scum to pile on him on D2, especially with the confirmed BP also pushing him. I also think that that's why we had no kill on D1. to give us no information, so the probable lynch of Voyager could go on without any WIFOM. this also looks to me as a LAMIST post.

Good entrance If i do say so myself
I guess this is CHeekyTeekys Meta. Shrug UNVOTE:
I was really thinking she was scum, but if this is her meta. I guess i will not want to have a townie lynched.....

I think i agree with desperate town. this is the second time i have been in this position....It is very stressful.

IM not to sure what to think of Thor's entrance. It was a little insane!

I think i have to disagree with the whole demios thing. He seems pretty townie so far. I dont get a town leader vibe from him.

Clemency is a scum lean for me. While They seem slightly scummy, There isn't much to go off of. He hasn't done a lot of scum hunting wich can be scummy but i dont want to overthink that

[UC Voyager]

XandresX had been my number 2 scum read for a while. I mean. Here are few things i have found weird

-He makes a big case then gets super silent.
-He is doing a bunch of lurking.
-He miss read my one post, but he might have actually tried to bend what i said so it looked more scummy


a fewother things. I have found him off for a while. I might agree with CHeekyTeeky. I think Clemency might be lynch bait....

[UC Voyager]

It calmed down for a little.
Honestly. I don't even know what to think anymore.

[UC Voyager]

Early game analysis of Deimos:

Spoiler:

Enters post 7 – Votes XnadrojX, this is noteworthy because I have seen scum often vote their partners in RVS as a subtle distancing ploy. Also his comment “I have already managed to find obvscum” is unprovoked and with nothing else stated for us to refer to it’s rather strange coming out of nowhere.

Post 9 – States that he’s already read through some of Assemble’s games as a preface to the idea of the BP claim strat. As I’ve said, I think reading up on a player (in this instance an SE) is more likely to be scum pre-planning motivated than just an over-curious vanilla townie. It is a lot of effort to try and get a meta read on someone by sifting through their games, particularly if you do not know which alignment you are supposed to be looking for. If Deimos is scum he wants to be looking at Townie games to get a handle on how to manipulate the SE. The amount of effort he goes into to justify the BP claim strat is suspicious as well. Why bother posting the link, usually when this idea is thrown out by a town player they just ask if anyone knows about it and if it should be used in the current game. Over-justification looks LAMIST and like Deimos is too self-aware of his image by providing all the info in an attempt to block out any potential scrutiny of his intent.

Post 17 is especially weird:

No more votes on Xnadroj until he posts.

I don't cc

Why is he panicking about the number of votes on XnadrojX at this point? It is only L-2 and it is all RVS so far, so this is where the wagon is interfered with. Any person to put him to L-1 or attempt to disband the adhoc wagon should be scrutinised. Attempts to halt the build up of votes going to L-1 also rob’s town of any information of players who haven’t entered yet who would have been given the opportunity to take the L-1 spot or attempt to disband the wagon.

In post 21 he shifts the attention back to Assemble and his shifty entrance. Zemaj jumps on in 24 building momentum on the Assemble wagon.
In 25 he highlights a potential scum slip that Clemency picked up on Assemble. Post 54 he continues his push on Assemble and questions XnadrojX on his thoughts on Zemaj and Assemble. He asks Peaches the same in 56 keeping the focus on those two slots. 58 pushes Assemble for some reads of people who have posted, whilst abstaining from posting his own thoughts on those who have posted.

In 62 he responds to Plot’s question about his digging into Assemble’s previous games. He said:

Deim, what did you get out of looking through assemble's previous games? Were you looking for something in particular? Did you find it?

You are mistaken if you think I looked very deep. He was the only player that had posted at the time, so I went through some of his games while I was waiting because I thought it'd be more useful than going through random ones. I wasn't looking for anything in particular.

However, one thing I noticed at school today:

He doesn't

always

RVS in his first post. At least in 1820 he was town and didn't RVS for many posts. I told zemaj it's peculiar coming from an SE. I never thought that meant it was AI, and now I'm even more confident.

Note that from when Assemble posted to the time that Deimos27 posted, only 1 hour and 32 minutes had passed. Also note that Deimos says he’s in school, so we assume he has not been able to sit on MS for the entire 1 hour 32 minutes reading through Assembles games. The way he phrased his response to Plot pings me, it’s almost cryptic “You are mistaken if you think I looked very deep.”
He also tries to say that his meta dive on Assemble made him even more confident that Assemble is likely scum based on something he pointed out which would show Assemble as null at best. Hmm.

RVS is esentially over, but I have nowhere else to put my vote and unvoting isn't doing anything. Xnadroj is an okay candidate for pressure since he has only posted twice and neither time with any content. I hope he comes back to give his views on the game soon.

To me this quote is a scum claim. Why on earth would anyone put so much subtle effort into creating an Assemble mislynch and then not vote them? The not voting is almost always more of a scum tell then messy voting.

I’m going to stop here for now, but I’m pretty convinced on RVS alone and by using Assemble’s flip, Deimos’ actions are definitely making sense as scum. He tried to take control early and attempted to lead the discussion on possible suspects. He seemed too careful and over-aware of his appearance in both the discussion of the BP strat and in responses to Plot. This also convinces me that Plot’s slot is even less likely to be scum.

It is possible that it is demios, XandersX scum team, but i still have something of a town read on demios.....XandersX on the other hand. I have had a scum lean on him for a while....

[UC Voyager]

Sorry if I pissed you off earlier CheekyTeeky. I hope this won't cross over or effect future games we might be in.

[UC Voyager]

Sorry if I pissed you off earlier CheekyTeeky. I hope this won't cross over or effect future games we might be in.

You have nothing to be sorry for, just like read some of the wiki to get better so you're not always lynch bait. There are some very good articles like "How to be a good townie" etc. I am overly competitive to my detriment so you can ignore my crazed ranting, but I would like for you to make an effort to see why it is good to act pro-town as both alignments. Understanding basic game theory and some experience will make you enjoyable to play with in the future no doubt.

Should try to read those. I kind of think that scum would also try to use those techniques so they seemed a scummy....

[UC Voyager]

Tbh

I think the plot/Thor slot could be lynch bait because He is IC and you would expect a IC to be Night Killed....I'm not sure though. We could all be lynch bait tbh.

I guessed this a while ago
VOTE: XandersX

[UC Voyager]

I don't put a lot of faith in any scum case that involves me or Plot as scum team - especially when it appears that half the case appears to be that scum, if not our slot, should have killed our slot, ignoring the, y'know, chance of a named townie claim that they probably would want to deal with. This isn't rocket science.

huh? This makes no since

[UC Voyager]

Voyager was 75,000 light years from earth.....Thor was from a whole other Realm......case closed....lol....I love movie references ....
I'm mobile so my posts may be a little cheesy but I will try

[UC Voyager]

I will try not to put movie references. I can't help it some times though....like Spartan117 always believing Cortana. Oh wait. That wasn't a movie refrence...but it was a game!

[UC Voyager]

Moving on.

XandrojX is my scum read.....since CheekyTeeky is playing her meta

1- he has lurked a good chunk of the game, and lurking is generally a scummy move. Unless your playing with assemble apparently
2- He enters day 2 with this huge case on Clemency. Someone who would be a easy miss lynch. Then he doesn't post anything more supporting it
3-once the clemency wagon doesn't take off, he turns around and makes a big case on me probably because I already had a decent amount of votes probably.

It makes the most sense .....since CT is playing her meta

XX
Do you have any town / mafia games we could see

[UC Voyager]

1- he has lurked a good chunk of the game, and lurking is generally a scummy move. Unless your playing with assemble apparently
2- He enters day 2 with this huge case on Clemency. Someone who would be a easy miss lynch. Then he doesn't post anything more supporting it
3-once the clemency wagon doesn't take off, he turns around and makes a big case on me probably because I already had a decent amount of votes probably.

It makes the most sense .....since CT is playing her meta

1. You literally just described why that's a bad tell.
2. I don't find that an accurate assessment of what happened.
3. Quite possibly - Cheeky did that also though last I checked, and with less sense being made...

..............no....she didn't

[UC Voyager]

Yikes. That is the third today.

[UC Voyager]

@thor, the quote was:

the thing that makes me pause about him is the fact that he is still alive. I expect a newbie scum team to kill Plotinus instantly, and there are good candidates here: xnadro and voyager.

note that my point is that I expect a newbie scumteam to kill Plot. if there's a newbie scum team, you cannot be part of it. it was poorly formated and in the wrong section of my post, but I just had called you a null read.

---

not too interested on xnadro at the moment, especially given the replacement situation:

VOTE: Clemency

I feel like this is a better place to put a vote on. where are you, buddy? can I get a commitment to anything? a firm stance? cause, since the start of the game, you had none.

so.......ok........I thought clemency was scum bait...I dont want to try that wagon.......I just dont

[UC Voyager]

why do you think Clemency is scum bait? it does not seems like an easy wagon for scum to push. it has a lot of resistance already. is it based on meta?

This topic came up earlier......most of us just agreed there wasn't good enough of a case on them.

[UC Voyager]

why do you think Clemency is scum bait? it does not seems like an easy wagon for scum to push. it has a lot of resistance already. is it based on meta?

only one of us has played with them before if im correct. and he was scum. He has a different game play from that game if im correct!

[UC Voyager]

ok....lets see here

XandrojX finally made another post.....saying that Me and clemency are scum team

Clemency

could

be scum, but i have my doubts....I think Clemency would make really good scum bait. Does anyone have a link they could post? to one of his scum games? One of his town

I know for a fact that i am townie, but you guys cant confirm that unless your the scum..
Is this actually his meta? I was getting the impression This was his Meta, but i want to have that clarified....


right now. If you asked me, i would say

([scum] XandrojX, ????)
([scum{lean}] none)
([not sure] Thor, Demios, Clemency)
([townie] Luca, {confirmed}= Spartan117, CheekyTeeky={meta})

I am not to sure about who the second scum is......I do believe that XandrojX is scum....but Im not sure about anyone else....

[UC Voyager]

Is this actually his meta? I was getting the impression This was his Meta, but i want to have that clarified....
.

His/Him/he is Clemency btw

[UC Voyager]

i don't think clemency meta means anything, really. his "meta" analysis, made by Plot, is from one game, and it feels similar to this game. people defending him using this? feels cheap to me.

also: on the next days i'll probably not post much, it will be hard. but expect at least one post per day, and I will try to be active. just not sure where i'm going has the best internet connection. not a v/la, but a warning

So you say tat Clemency Meta doesn't mean much in the long run????

idk. Im pretty cnvinced Xandroj is scum

[UC Voyager]

idk.

I feel Clemency could be scum bait, but looking though his iso, he actually hasn't contributed much. Today has been very all over the place.

It has gone from

Me - CheekyTeeky - XandrojX - Clemency NOW????

Though i agree. i think That the scum team is XandojX, CLemency..........

UNVOTE:
I want to see some more facts on the clemency case....

[UC Voyager]

Spartan....where have you been....I havnt seen you post since the Thor entrance

[UC Voyager]

What do you think about the Clemency thing?

Your a very treatable source because your confirmed town.

[UC Voyager]

Page top/\

[UC Voyager]

Lol....that one was random....I wasn't expecting a page top

[UC Voyager]

So you say tat Clemency Meta doesn't mean much in the long run????

Can you explain why the Clemency meta we've seen is strong enough to clear Clemency and suggest anyone questioning it is scummy?

@Voyager - 2nd verse, same as the first.

@Voyager - third time's the charm?

Idk. Isn't meta your ussall town game????

[UC Voyager]

So you say tat Clemency Meta doesn't mean much in the long run????

Can you explain why the Clemency meta we've seen is strong enough to clear Clemency and suggest anyone questioning it is scummy?

@Voyager - 2nd verse, same as the first.

@Voyager - third time's the charm?

Idk. Isn't meta your ussall town game????

I dont know how to answer but i will try


Someone calling them scum isn't necessarily scummy, but they should reconsider...

I am starting to think more and more he could be scum. He has contributed a lot less than everyone else. EVEN XandrojX, but i think XandrojX is scum, but I dont think Scum would be targeting eachother....

[UC Voyager]

Oh come on guys. Deimos enters and pushes the current pop wagon...do I need to go through and list off the rest of his ISO and how that fits with scum?

........I honestly am forgetting what all he has said and done....
I mean, if you could at least point a few things out...

[UC Voyager]

gon which gives me the feeling we're on the right track wit

.What does this mean.....It kind of sounds like your saying that were doing good by not pushing it, but at the same time it sounds like your saying we are doing good by at least having a wagon on XandrojX

[UC Voyager]

ok....

[UC Voyager]

CheekyTeeky raises a good point. it is weird that people are trying to resist the whole XandrojX wagon.
VOTE: XandrojX

i think my vote goes well here


i would like to hear those points CheekyTeeky mentioned

[UC Voyager]

sed your earlier meta read of the slo

I Dont even know at this point......i defiantly do not think all of our wagons today are scum...I know mine wasn't. I dont know about the rest......

ok.

does meta really matter?

one person says it does, but another says it doesn't! And im just confused as hell!

[UC Voyager]

well. Cheeky's wagon was a lot different. it consisted of 3 people and the main argument was not just she is her meta, but she has seemed townie through out day one.....

[UC Voyager]

Demios you actually stated some valid points.
Though Clemency has something happening and I kind of want to hear from them once they can post tbh....

Scum - XandrojX, ????
SLean - clemency, demios,
Not sure - Thor,
TLean - Luca, CheekyTeeky
Town - spartan117

[UC Voyager]

Deimos what do you think of Thor and Luca so far?

I'm not demios but personally, I'm not sure. He has said a few town things, but still seems off....
I don't think he fits my other scum slot, but He isn't the most townie...

[UC Voyager]

yea...that does ring a lot of bells.....I have seen scum talk to each other like that at start of game a lot of times!!!, but I also see it was a joke and even I make jokes like that some times.....

[UC Voyager]

yea...that does ring a lot of bells.....I have seen scum talk to each other like that at start of game a lot of times!!!, but I also see it was a joke and even I make jokes like that some times.....

Yes it could look like a joke if I didn't have other points. I feel scum are more likely to joke like this.

...OK.....my vote is on XandrojX and im convinced he is scum.

[UC Voyager]

i havn't said anything

i have only considered Clemency and Deimos. posted several scum lists, N such. the list goes on

[UC Voyager]

Spoiler:

Also, I'll be keeping my focus on Zemaj's slot, something seemed off about it to me, but I can't fully place my finger on it yet.

Oh no

Do you not want to play with me?

We all love you, but we know how well you can play scum.

I believe it is actually yeah, shame that Voyager couldn't have included that in his naked vote.

As if that slot couldn't get any more foggy.

They seemed to have a lot of focus on my slot, but filed to explain why.....they just said that something is off. This seems a little scummy, but i would like to see some of his other scum games to compare.

They don't expect to die Night 1?

why wouldn't they. if im correct. This was talking about Assemble, But why would He not expect to be night killed? This isn't necessarily scummy, but it makes no since. Was it just the Early game talk, or did it have a point to it

After the fake Hammer. (props to Demios. I might use that in future games). Clemency posted this. As to why? I dont know. Everything he has said before about me seemed to say he had a scum vibe from me, but yet He posted this after the fake hammer. Wouldn't he think it was a good decision if He had thought I was scum?

While I don't know if I like the idea of Voyager in LyLo(no offense), I feel like I should play a bit of devil's advocate here, so scum doesn't get another free mislynch.

While it may seem scummy, the defense that he simply didn't know he had to claim can't be discredited. Considering how new his account is, I'd assume it's his first game here.
We all had our eyes on Assemble(Well, most of us) and I was about ready to claim intent myself.

I wouldn't blame anyone for hammering Assemble, due to how he was playing so apathetically, like he was just bored scum that got caught early. The 'online but not posting' thing especially got to me.
Perhaps this was due to a lack of motivation, or other matters, but he was the best option at a time.

I don't necessarily think Voyager is innocent, but I want to create a counter-argument so if he's scum, he's taken down by facts rather than gut.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

This defiantly makes me unsure if he is town or scum because im not sure if playing devils advocate is scummy or not TBH. It isn't like lurking which is naturally considered scummy! Im not eactly sure what to make of this. : p


overall. I think he might be scum. The fact he has done little scum hunting is very weird, but I don't want to overthink something like that. It MIGHT get a town lynched, but I wouldn't want to Ignore it and let a scum live.

@thor, the quote was:

the thing that makes me pause about him is the fact that he is still alive. I expect a newbie scum team to kill Plotinus instantly, and there are good candidates here: xnadro and voyager.

note that my point is that I expect a newbie scumteam to kill Plot. if there's a newbie scum team, you cannot be part of it. it was poorly formated and in the wrong section of my post, but I just had called you a null read.

---

not too interested on xnadro at the moment, especially given the replacement situation:

VOTE: Clemency

I feel like this is a better place to put a vote on. where are you, buddy? can I get a commitment to anything? a firm stance? cause, since the start of the game, you had none.

so.......ok........I thought clemency was scum bait...I dont want to try that wagon.......I just dont

i don't think clemency meta means anything, really. his "meta" analysis, made by Plot, is from one game, and it feels similar to this game. people defending him using this? feels cheap to me.

also: on the next days i'll probably not post much, it will be hard. but expect at least one post per day, and I will try to be active. just not sure where i'm going has the best internet connection. not a v/la, but a warning

So you say tat Clemency Meta doesn't mean much in the long run????

idk. Im pretty cnvinced Xandroj is scum

idk.

I feel Clemency could be scum bait, but looking though his iso, he actually hasn't contributed much. Today has been very all over the place.

It has gone from

Me - CheekyTeeky - XandrojX - Clemency NOW????

Though i agree. i think That the scum team is XandojX, CLemency..........

UNVOTE:
I want to see some more facts on the clemency case....

Spartan....where have you been....I havnt seen you post since the Thor entrance

What do you think about the Clemency thing?

Your a very treatable source because your confirmed town.

So you say tat Clemency Meta doesn't mean much in the long run????

Can you explain why the Clemency meta we've seen is strong enough to clear Clemency and suggest anyone questioning it is scummy?

@Voyager - 2nd verse, same as the first.

@Voyager - third time's the charm?

Idk. Isn't meta your ussall town game????

I dont know how to answer but i will try


Someone calling them scum isn't necessarily scummy, but they should reconsider...

I am starting to think more and more he could be scum. He has contributed a lot less than everyone else. EVEN XandrojX, but i think XandrojX is scum, but I dont think Scum would be targeting eachother....

well. Cheeky's wagon was a lot different. it consisted of 3 people and the main argument was not just she is her meta, but she has seemed townie through out day one.....

Deimos what do you think of Thor and Luca so far?

I'm not demios but personally, I'm not sure. He has said a few town things, but still seems off....
I don't think he fits my other scum slot, but He isn't the most townie...

not to distract myself from scum hunting but here is a whole bunch of things i have said that arn't just "XandrojX is scum"
I have adressed The clmency case, I have talked about other people other than you.....whatnot

[UC Voyager]

i havn't said anything

i have only considered Clemency and Deimos. posted several scum lists, N such. the list goes on

Ok another inconsistency. He said earlier he thinks Deimos is town...can we please flip this so we can move on?

true.....
I think i was more referring to acknowledging his case..

[UC Voyager]

omg. scum are probably laughing. are we really going back to point A. because we have gone from point A, to point B, to point C and then to Point D and now are we going to back track?

[UC Voyager]

At least When in get miss lynched, they will know XandrojX is scum

[UC Voyager]

that would be to simple.......

[UC Voyager]

Clemency would be my second best choice other than XandrokX

[UC Voyager]

Why Xnadroj > Clemency?
You said you're convinced he's scum in 702, and I don't think you ever replied to this:

As I understand it your only reason at the moment for townreading

him

is that you think Xnadroj is scum and wouldn't push his partner like that.
From your perspective, why exactly is Xnadj scummier than Clemency?

"

him

" was referring to Clemency.

[b

well. Here is the thing.
Clemency hasn't contributed much, but also hasnt done things that scum naturally do like try to lead a miss lynch, or make townie's look less bad, but he could be a (try to survive) scum if anything.

XandrojX has tried to get ME lynched, and make Clemency look bad! So that when im lynched, it is easier to start the Clemency wagon! I have looked around and tried to find out how scum naturally act and what is in their best interest. trying to guide miss lynches are better than trying to lay low! Scum knows if they try to lay low, people will find them scummy, so why would they do it!

but the fact Clemency hasn't contributed much also seems scummy, so im considering that to!

[UC Voyager]

erg...looks like my one vote on XandrojX wont do it!

I dont mind a Clemency lynch. AS i said. He is my 2ed highest scum read, but if You guys think he is scum so be it.

To be honest. I think i trust Spartan and like to vote with Spartan. Mostly because he is conf town. With anyone else, I don't know if im being miss lead, but i dont want to put Clemency at l-1......I would rather consider a XandrojX

UNVOTE:

[UC Voyager]

no. he came back

[UC Voyager]

CheekyTeeky is more all over the place then me!!!!

[UC Voyager]

without taking into consideration the likelihood of their wagon going through is not helpful to town. It looks like noone

i would love a XandrojX lynch tbh. Clemency is my next guess if it isn't XandrojX which i doubt he isn't.

i will make a post later, it is 1:16AM UCV time and im tired as hell.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Clemency



I wanted an XandrojX lynch, but apparently that cannot happen, so im going here!

[UC Voyager]

Clemency's reaction sounds both fake and real

It sounds fake because Even someone as new as me could have noticed a fake hammer, but Clemency didn't acknowledge that fact.


What makes me think it is real is the fact he says he hasn't had the energy to make good posts. This feels real, but it also feels like an excuse ....

Overall....I find it fake......

[UC Voyager]

It wasn't my idea to fake hammer.....I find fake hammers very ineffective ......

[UC Voyager]

I'm all for an XandrojX lynch, but no one else is voting him, so I don't think he is happening

[UC Voyager]

Tbh. I think one of the two is scum. If XnadrojX isn't scum, then Clemency is...or visa versa

[UC Voyager]

Ok...lets see if we were right about XandrojX

[UC Voyager]

Ok...lets see if we were right about XandrojX

You expect to find out that slots alignment straight away from the guy that has subbed in?

true true

[UC Voyager]

Thor665....has something against CheekyTeeky we arnt seeing...lol...

[UC Voyager]

Idk....it is mostly weird....just think about this. Your vote on CheekyTeeky is the equivalent of a no vote. No one wants to go for her.

[UC Voyager]

Oh. This person. I'm actually kind of happy with this replacment

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: blackvoid

I'm also think clemency/NSG would be a bad lynch!

On the other hand. I have had my suspicions of the XandrojX slot for how long?

[UC Voyager]

why would Clemency be a bad lynch? I think it would be an excellent lynch.

I have a feeling that clemency is just scum bait....idk...I feel there is actuall evidence to why XandrojX/black void is scum

[UC Voyager]

idk

i have considered the no lynch, but i also think it would let the scum get a kill......and that is it. i considered a cheekyteeky lynch earlier in the game, and there are some good reasons to, but I would prefer a XandrojX/BlackVoid lynch....i have all ready said this

[UC Voyager]

L2 actually.

What I find very off is the fact you havnt even acknowledged the cases on you. And the fact that you try end the day faster when a case on you. Please tell me this was like a reaction post or something. Because if it wasnt, that was a very scummy post

[UC Voyager]

If Cheeky isn't lynched then all of you need to buy reading glasses.

It all depends on her explanation on my post. I kind of archived my push on her in a way, but some red light just started going off

[UC Voyager]

Page top /\

[UC Voyager]

Reasons.
If you have all ready said them, please quote them

[UC Voyager]

Okay, explain how me voting you is going to advance your win condition?

I'm going to make my decision in the next couple of hours on whether I'm confident enough to push for your lynch now over a no lynch. If you're town, stop with the stupid demands for me to vote you and walk me through your reads and how you got there. Specifically I want to talk about Lucca and UCV. What made you decide that UCV was town after all? What did you like about Lucca's entrance?

Lucca made a good entrance giving us some decent reads.

[UC Voyager]

Okay. Can you explain your read on CheekyTeeky please?

A lot of people said this was CheekyTeeky's normal gam earlier today, but I still kind of believed she

could

be scum, but i still went for your slot because there was better reasons. my case was

Spoiler:

CT case

-yesterday, she said that i had gotten two townies lynchedd.

assemble.....and me

. if she was so sure me and assemble were town, why lynch us?
-she really thought i was an idiot town, but voted me in day 2. seems she doesn't really care for lynching scum
-How did she know me and assemble were both town? she got both right.
-after my wagon began to die, spartan voted for her, and she freaked out. only had one vote on her. she was going mad. every one of her posts were "lynch UCV" or "Spartan is making a narrative". She did little to defend her case, or scum hunt.

[UC Voyager]

im not sure what i read her


it is currently a neutral read

[UC Voyager]

I do not intend to hammer cheeky teeky

Especially when. The conf town doesn't want to lynch her.

There is a really good case on her, but when one of my strongest scum reads is also on her. I do not want to try that.

[UC Voyager]

UCV lynch BlackVoid he's scum.

Are you trying to get lynched?

[UC Voyager]

One hour left?

[UC Voyager]

UCV lynch BlackVoid he's scum.

Are you trying to get lynched?

Can you answer my question about why you are scumreading me?

I have all ready said

With one hour left.

Cheeky hasn't really tried to defend herself
There are multiple cases on her which make her look scummy.

I'm Limited access . I have little time to hammer. So if you don't have anything else to say, I will vote her

[UC Voyager]

What the hell

If she flips town, I really want everyone to consider blackvoid. Who I have been trying to get lynched. I am convinced CT is scum now.
VOTE: cheekyTeeky
Please flip scum

[UC Voyager]

I agree with a no-lynch! Right now, we are resting at 4 to lynch. If we go ahead a no lynch, then one less person is possible scum and it is still 4 to lynch If I'm correct.

Though we shouldn't hammer it right away. We should use today to scum hunt.

[UC Voyager]

i feel like i have actively ruined this game. i came in, got someone a lot of people townread lynched and will now probably get my own slot lynched. town probably would have had a better chance if i just let myself die. this isn't even to comment how on poorly i read cheeky.

anyways, here we are with our conftown dead and the promised two weeks to sort things out. hopefully we can still make something out of this. if town can win anyways i might be able to make up for it all.

If your town, why let yourself die? That would be dumb.....

[UC Voyager]

Here is my case on black void.

-XandrojX lurked a lot. And when he did poat, he would make a huge case on someone and leave.
-When XandrojX's clemency wagon failed, he moved on to vote on the person with the second biggest wagon. (Which was me). He gave very vague reasons.
-Xandroj overall Didn't scum hunt a lot. He contributed very little.
-Black void yesterday Didn't contribute much until the end where he freaked out and made this huge push on CheekyTeeky. Begging someone to vote her. (Him trying to get into mlyo.
-two people who pushed him. (CT & Spartan) died. It looks like he is trying to get rid of the push on him.
-Today, he makes a very vague push on me claiming I transparently "set him up". I have had a case on him since day two. They have been my scum read since yesterday.


I also agree with a no lynch today. If I'm wrong about blackvoid, then lynching him would result in us losing. Letting us wait another day would give us more information. Though we should wait a few IRL days before hammering a no lynch. We still need to find 2 scum. So I'd go is scumblackvoid partner. Who is scumUCVs partner. Who is scumThors partner. Who is scumNSGs partner. Who is scumLuccas partner...etc

I think demios is very townie because he didn't vote CT. I think scum would have been there. Limiting it to me, blackvoid, thor, Lucca, and NSG.

Most town to most scum

1-Demios
2-NSG/Thor tied
3-Luca
4-blackvoid

[UC Voyager]

i feel like i have actively ruined this game. i came in, got someone a lot of people townread lynched and will now probably get my own slot lynched. town probably would have had a better chance if i just let myself die. this isn't even to comment how on poorly i read cheeky.

anyways, here we are with our conftown dead and the promised two weeks to sort things out. hopefully we can still make something out of this. if town can win anyways i might be able to make up for it all.

If your town, why let yourself die? That would be dumb.....

i don't plan on it. not sure how you got that out of my post.

Oh...I thought you said something about saying you should let yourself die...and I was like.....wtf....

[UC Voyager]

Here is my case on black void.

-XandrojX lurked a lot. And when he did poat, he would make a huge case on someone and leave.
-When XandrojX's clemency wagon failed, he moved on to vote on the person with the second biggest wagon. (Which was me). He gave very vague reasons.
-Xandroj overall Didn't scum hunt a lot. He contributed very little.
-Black void yesterday Didn't contribute much until the end where he freaked out and made this huge push on CheekyTeeky. Begging someone to vote her. (Him trying to get into mlyo.
-two people who pushed him. (CT & Spartan) died. It looks like he is trying to get rid of the push on him.
-Today, he makes a very vague push on me claiming I transparently "set him up". I have had a case on him since day two. They have been my scum read since yesterday.


I also agree with a no lynch today. If I'm wrong about blackvoid, then lynching him would result in us losing. Letting us wait another day would give us more information. Though we should wait a few IRL days before hammering a no lynch. We still need to find 2 scum. So I'd go is scumblackvoid partner. Who is scumUCVs partner. Who is scumThors partner. Who is scumNSGs partner. Who is scumLuccas partner...etc

I think demios is very townie because he didn't vote CT. I think scum would have been there. Limiting it to me, blackvoid, thor, Lucca, and NSG.

Most town to most scum

1-Demios
2-NSG/Thor tied
3-Luca
4-blackvoid

Xnad was clearly inactive because he didn't have time to play. That's obvious since he was force-replaced for not responding to prods. If he was scum using lurking as a strategy to lay low, he'd stay at least minimally active to remain in the game. Low contribution and scum-hunting falls under the same reason.

I didn't "contribute" as soon as I replaced in because I was catching up with the game and balancing that around a busy schedule. If you don't believe that, feel free to take a look at any of my past town games where I replaced in to see how long it normally takes me to catch up. It takes far too long and that's something I'm working on. I even specifically requested the mod for a 72 hour extension because I knew I'm slow at catching up.

Yeah, I pushed Cheeky. How do you distinguish "scum trying to get into mylo" with "town pushing their scumread?" You just arbitrarily labeled it as the former. Spartan is confirmed town. You are acting like I specifically killed Spartan for suspecting me. Who he suspected is irrelevant. He's pretty much always going to get nightkilled.

The setting up part refers to your sudden change of mind towards the end of the day. You made a big show of not voting Cheeky because Spartan told you not to which is terrible reasoning since there's no reason to believe Spartan's read is more accurate than yours. Then suddenly, you changed your mind because there was only one hour left (as if it wasn't already obvious that deadline was looming) and then voted while calling me scum if she flipped town. If you really believed that, you'd want Cheeky alive today to help you with your push on me, not have a mislynch locked in so it's mylo.

Townreading Deimos for not voting Cheeky is bad reasoning. Scum are just as likely to distance themselves from the mislynch wagon as they are to vote it.

You make a solid defence. I agree with the fact Spartan117 was the guaranteed night kill. And the catching up part.


I didn't change my mind. I had my suspicions of her for a while, but everyone said she was doing her town game. When the wagon reformed at the end of day 2, I thought the cases on her where all valid.

You were trying to dodge by pushing me to vote Cheeky teeky. And when she flips town, you threw it back at me...I asked about the hour left because I was wanting to wait a little, but since there was no time. My only other option was to let someone I had earlier thought was scum live.

[UC Voyager]

I also want to look at Luca

When Luca first joined, he said that CheekyTeeky was playing her town game, but in the last few days of day 2, he turned around and started pushing her. Why the change? What made you change your mind on that?

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: no lynch