TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

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wait didn't we (town) win starcraft? With that absolutely ridiculous flip where someone flipped that unkilleable shit?

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right the hydra was town as well

"Cerberus is a white flag conditionally unlynchable bulletproof evil child."

remember that bullshit lol

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that was like the first game i ever had good reads in

it took me a solid year to improve from there

but i digress

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Teammate Gypyx is shouting at me to flip TGP btw

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does shirou have first-hand experience with most of the slots they are giving reads about?

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Ceph went through this game and has given me a bunch of reads. And his major message is that he's confused why i didn't vote akarin instead of BB, and he thinks the neighborizor is a town role this game ("gut" he says).

yo zor, i've got a buddy shouting at me that that claim is more likely to be scum

wanna discuss it?

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Sorry i should paraphrase.
They have experience with FL, TGP, Nancy, BBMolla and one game with DEB.

(re paraphrase :p)

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Weekend vla

Pls no fast days

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Ico's townreads in no particular order as of being caught up right now

TSQ
TGP
Norwee

Yes, that's it.

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Lacking reads on all of
Mistyx
DEB
Ram
Pine
Akarin (need to re-evaluate this slot)

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I have thoughts on Nancy and FL that I am only willing to share if it doesn't result in another shitfest - There are a LOT of other slots that require my attention today and I can't do that if I end up in a fight like Day 1

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@FL

i'm not seeing the discrediting that norwee is doing according to you

in fact, i townread him

talk to me about it?

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I'm hoping to add at least 1 or 2 players to my townreads here and work from there

is there anyone i'm not townreading who thinks I *should* be townreading them and why?

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ISO'ing Pine

Spoiler:

A quick scan of a few ISOs:

Zor looks fine to me. I have absolutely no idea what this wagon is about, aside from some of you pouting that he’s not doing what you want or expect. Hint: Anyone who yields to demands deserves suspicion, not trust.

NancyDrew is doing her usual petulant Town thing. She’s fine.

Norwegian is irritating the shit out of me, but jury’s out on whether it’s AI or not.

Flavor Leaf is unreadable so far. He always is. He is, however, too valuable if Town to be a D1 boot.

DEB is the only one who sticks out as distinctly suspicious so far.

I’ll reserve my vote for now, need to put those ISOs in context.

The remark about Zor reads like town to me.
The comment about FL being 'unreadable' is important for coming posts.

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

Very easy townread given to FL here. Especially considering the earlier 'FL is unreadable anyway' post. I don't see how thinking both of these thoughts is natural.

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

@Ico

Why does FL post this as scum.

He's clean.

I initially townread this. I'm not sure right now.

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

maybe i'm just stoopid, but can you clarify what's so townie about it?

Nah nah you’re thinking about it inside out

It isn’t “What’s Townie about this?”

It’s “Why the fuck would FL post this as scum?”

There’s just no incentive.

Put yourself in scum!FL’s shoes. You’re voting Zor, he just admitted to a role which could very easily be scum.

All you have to do is sit back and let it happen. God knows, with all the trigger-happy yahoos in this game, it’s a good chance one of them pushes him over the edge for kicks.

Giving grudging acknowledgement that the roleclaim tracks gives credibility to the claim. Not a lot, but some.

There’s zero cost to scum!FL to just say nothing, and potentially a lot of incentive. Taking out a Town PR on D1, especially a player as strong and experienced as Zor...why rock that boat?

In contrast, there’s no points to be gained by giving Zor that little stability. The odds that someone like me catches it, decides to make a Towncase based on it, and gets believed...

The cost/benefit here for scum!FL is just all out of whack. He’s way, way too good for that.

In contrast, Town!FL giving grudging acknowledgment of facts is a genuine drive to share relevant information.

Flavor Leaf is Town.

This is a discussion i'd think to have if I were hardcore scumreading FL at that time. I only asked 'what was so townie about a certain thing FL did'. This is such an over-the-top response and defense for ?? reason?

My dude, seriously fuck off.

Norwegian is scummy af, and BB and TGP have been on and off the Zor wagon. You and Mistyx have also been hard to parse.

Meanwhile, Towny people are voting scummy Akarin for better reasons.

It’s a commonly-held fallacy that I have to answer all questions put to me and/or explain every facet of my reasoning.

I don’t.

Pine never really pushed norwee. Empty statement about 'scummy af' is pingy.

@Norwegian, I've said even less to or about you.

Which is quite odd for someone you "suspect".
Why aren't you trying to solve my allignment?

What part of "I find you suspicious" is not trying to solve you?

Frankly, this kind of bullshit, disingenuous attack is why I think you're +rand scum, and the fact that you and others have been doing the same to Zor make me think he's +rand Town.

This post pinged me the first time around as well. Norwee makes a perfectly normal question about solving his allignment, and Pine thinks that 'I find you suspicious' = solving? Pine's better then that.
The AtE here also doesn't read genuine.

Conclusion: I don't think FL + Pine are a scumteam. Max 1 scum in these 2. Am not opposed to a Pine flip today.

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DEB's ISO is completely void of anything AI. Not even an insight in Nancy V TGP V ICO? No comment on Zor? No nothing?

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I don't know them enough to know what that means wrt their allignment

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Heres a run down of what I think so far:

1) I like misty's responses to my questions. They dealt with the pressure well and their answers have a logical consistency to them. I don't really agree with the method of favoring town hunting over scum hunting, but at least they're noting things and have reasons for what they're doing that make a lot of sense to me.

2) Zors reaction to my vote is ultimately NAI. I wanted to see if he would place a different vote or would stick with the NbEE vote. The main thing I don't like about it is that it chooses to actively continue not interacting with the game. This is a very minor ping but I want to call it out because its worth noting later when I go back and look at zor with the benefit of more information.

3) Flavor Leaf has a whole lot of posts with a whole little of substance. I'm not a fan of it so far but like the previous thing its minor because we're so early so I just want to note it for later that its bugging me.

4) I'm not sure why ramcius is getting a pass. Nancy made a response to ico for their entrance into the game, and while they're right there's no content there at least Ico basically said "Hey I'm here, VLA!" which explains the lack of substance. Ramcius has given us nothing of the sort and their iso is basically nonsense. The only thing even resembling a game relevant statement is his theory craft response towards BBMolla.

Think I'm going to VOTE: Ramcius

Any particular thing so far you want me to comment? I haven't seen anything strongly AI yet, therefore I have nothing to say

Ramcius lean town after ISO read. Willing to expand on this later if it's required.

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There is also a big brain theory developping that might suggest FL takes TGP place in my reads but hey :p

setup spec and what not

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thoughts about my other posts?

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nancy, hot take

i wasn't actually trying to get you limmed yesterday
the main issue was i was trying to get a point across and be right (which i still think i am)

sure, it started with a push and a vote on you (which i still believe to be entirely justified), but like 95% of what followed was me being stubborn and defending myself and NOT about pushing you

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if we can work from that understanding, this can work out fine

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So fairly sure it is TvT.

likely this yes

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Slots i am not interested in yeeting today.

Mistyx/Iconeum/TheGoldenParadox/Nancy Drew 39/thestatusquo

Slot i will be interested in yeeting today:
Flavor Leaf - Their push on me could possibly be to save a partner or it's opportunistic. There is also another reason they could be scum but i won't share that just yet.
Pine - Underwhelming slot.
Ramcius - Their push on me feels bad faith. TSQ can call it solving, i don't really think that is what they are doing.
Dr Easy Bake - Probably not a very good elimination since they have barely any content, but that is also precisely why this slot is problematic.
Akarin - Still an really underwhelming slot.

i sorta disagree on Ramcius, doesn't really feel lke bad faith to me

there's other reasons why i think FL might be scum, but it can literally be his town play i have no clue. And yeah, FL, feel free to talk to me about this.

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@nancy, any insights on this discussion?

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Nancy your hottest thoughts on FL?

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I desire them :3

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don't make me ask with a gif

i'm tired of these anime gifs

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just your thoughts would be wonderfull thanks

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Slots i am not interested in yeeting today.

Mistyx/Iconeum/TheGoldenParadox/Nancy Drew 39/thestatusquo

Slot i will be interested in yeeting today:
Flavor Leaf - Their push on me could possibly be to save a partner or it's opportunistic. There is also another reason they could be scum but i won't share that just yet.
Pine - Underwhelming slot.
Ramcius - Their push on me feels bad faith. TSQ can call it solving, i don't really think that is what they are doing.
Dr Easy Bake - Probably not a very good elimination since they have barely any content, but that is also precisely why this slot is problematic.
Akarin - Still an really underwhelming slot.

So, your PoE is lurkers and OMGUS on me and FL. This is exactly why I'm voting you, you aren't doing anything this game to actually solve anything, you aren't taking any meaningful stances, you aren't making any real pushes

i don't see how it's norwee's fault that *literally half this pl* are lurkers?
why aren't you pushing Nancy, who's PoE is currently TGP and me (which is also OMGUS)?

i will fight you over norwee not having meaningfull stances this game, i'm not townreading them lightly here
same for the pushes

**Sweet mother of fastposteds

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Nancy your hottest thoughts on FL?

dont put Nancy on the spot like this with this wording

Spicy take: you live in California. Sorry @Ico, that’s all you’re getting out of me without the highly desired anime gifs.

I’m not okay with either your vote on me or you continuing to justify it. You’re not currently in my good graces. Do better and you’ll do a helluva a lot better with me. Your choice.

i've done literally everything for you here, including apologizing on the previous day even

if you think i will let this game continue to turn around The Glorious World Of Nancy ur sadly mistaken

get out of my way if you are this unwilling to talk to me

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How likely do y’all think it is for this setup to have 3 town JOATs?

theme game something something

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I don't really understand what the scum team is doing this game if Norwegian isn't scum here

i would know exactly what the scumteam is doing here if norwee is town

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for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

@Norwee, how is this a crumb?

Nancy, i absolutely 10000% read that as a crumb as well

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for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

@Norwee, how is this a crumb?

I was trying to act like a PR there, so I don't hate the idea behind it, but I think it's possibly Norwegian trying to get another town PR dead.

Norwegian just feels like they're feeling the WIFOM I've been throwing to the scum team.

how does one push scum!FL in a game?
anyone care to enlighten me?

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Yes it’s unfortunate FL had to be voting me as it will naturally look like i’m OMGUS’ing. But there’s nothing to do about it.
Sometime you get bad luck.
I’ve been discussing this with Shirou and even though i was townreading FL this just doesn’t make sense and is likely posturing from scum!FL.

Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here. Why would scum!FL even claim that he actually was trying to make it look like a crumb?

Do you know how many times I’ve made a similar comment and it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my actual role?

In fact, if FL was actually scum JOAT here, he would have to be an absolute idiot to have intentionally “crumbed” that.

FL doesn't need to *be* a scum JOAT to drop that line
he could have a scumbuddy JOAT just as easily

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Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here

there's a lot of little things pointing to scum!FL in this game Nancy

if you wanna talk about it let me know

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Not everybody sucks at reading me.

i think ur town, and that you are in a scumpocket

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Also, you can tell I'm town here by the sheer lack of pawns I would have.

lack of pawns? are you serious?

why would you need pawns if you have Queen Nancy working for you?

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Idk, I just think it's blatantly obvious I'm town here, people just wanna be paranoid of me because they dont understand me

i think ur anything but obv town here

i'll get to the specifics after my catchup

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get my partners first.

yeah i was thinking about that

just follow norwee's townblock into PoE excluding you, and see what's left lol

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ive only ever lost like one scum game where i was the first one dead

might as well be talking about a summer bar drinking a nice gin and tonic

that's how AI this post is

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All of this is just a distraction from pine imo.

possibly

but i would rather engage and sort the players that are, you now, actually playing

we can compromise flip there if it comes to that

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Yes it’s unfortunate FL had to be voting me as it will naturally look like i’m OMGUS’ing. But there’s nothing to do about it.
Sometime you get bad luck.
I’ve been discussing this with Shirou and even though i was townreading FL this just doesn’t make sense and is likely posturing from scum!FL.

Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here. Why would scum!FL even claim that he actually was trying to make it look like a crumb?

Do you know how many times I’ve made a similar comment and it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my actual role?

In fact, if FL was actually scum JOAT here, he would have to be an absolute idiot to have intentionally “crumbed” that.

FL doesn't need to *be* a scum JOAT to drop that line
he could have a scumbuddy JOAT just as easily

Why does scum!FL do that in that case? If you’re scum who knows that Zor is flipping town JOAT and you or your buddy is scum JOAT then what is the possible reason for crumbing that?

i don't know *why* he dropped that line
but it's layed on really thick that FL has additional information about the setup here

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Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here

there's a lot of little things pointing to scum!FL in this game Nancy

if you wanna talk about it let me know

I think you’re wrong but you voted me D1, so not exactly trusting your judgement on that but tell me your theory. I’m not seeing it. Why does scum!FL defend Ram? That’s not what my experience with scum!FL is.

I townread you at this point. I also think your reads are off at this point, but i'm aware that it might be me who's reads are off as well. I'd love to settle that tho.

My FL!scumpings aren't coming from that line he dropped, or the Ram engagements. They are totally unrelated to any of that

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i think i need to bust the ego mode out for this one

ive been trying to just stay low and try to make it to end game so i can do a hero solve, but looks like these fools gonna get me night killed

you've been laying WAAAAYYYY to low for a powerplayer of your caliber
when Nancy (who you 'townread) and me got into a fight, you stood buy and ate popcorn. Why didn't you step in? Because I think u were perfectly happy with the gamestate at that point. Having town eat each other alive in thread, derailing any other discussion.

Nancy practicly walked into your pocker if ur scum here. Most of your posts (and i'm talking a high90+% here) are completely NAI. Your push on Norwee is bad. You aren't sorting other slots, just focusing in on the 1. Ignoring people who townread them.

Why should i be townreading you here?

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Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here

there's a lot of little things pointing to scum!FL in this game Nancy

if you wanna talk about it let me know

I think you’re wrong but you voted me D1, so not exactly trusting your judgement on that but tell me your theory. I’m not seeing it. Why does scum!FL defend Ram? That’s not what my experience with scum!FL is.

I townread you at this point. I also think your reads are off at this point, but i'm aware that it might be me who's reads are off as well. I'd love to settle that tho.

My FL!scumpings aren't coming from that line he dropped, or the Ram engagements. They are totally unrelated to any of that

i mean, you're scum or omgus tunneled onto me after i pushed you.

if the latter, then Norwegian is scum.

either way, you two both just have your weaknesses handling pressure on you showing

you pushed me? when?
what does my weakness or strenght in handling pressure have to do with any of this lol

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there's a non zero chance they said to each other "let's take on FL! Show them we can be good scum too!"

props to you guys if that's what you're doing

i absolutely guarantee you that if i were scum here with you town, you were dead already after that Day 1 crumb and your reputation

man it would be so easy

just off FL N1, take out Nany N2, and who's left to stop me taking control of this game? Maybe TSQ/norwee if they aren't my partners

yeah

obvscum!Ico here lol

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what is the case on Norwee even, outside of 'PoE is only lurkers, norwee not pushing or sorting' (which i can simply disprove by starting to quote his iso)

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I didn’t freaking walk into jack, I actually used my brain.

what did FL do to make you townrea

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*make you townread him?

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Nancy's literally seen me be able to pull every single string behind the scenes because of how much I have, she's seen how I solve as town, she knows how bad it hits me if I lose.

@DEB - you would know best too, am I okay losing?

if ur town, then talk to me about why i'm wrong?

anything other then 'i would do x or y as scum or town'?

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Nancy's literally seen me be able to pull every single string behind the scenes because of how much I have, she's seen how I solve as town, she knows how bad it hits me if I lose.

@DEB - you would know best too, am I okay losing?

i haven't, i think
or it's been a good while

why should i or anyone else townread you, because you said it yourself: you think you should be townread here. Why?

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@TSQ

i think i need to bust the ego mode out for this one

ive been trying to just stay low and try to make it to end game so i can do a hero solve, but looks like these fools gonna get me night killed

you've been laying WAAAAYYYY to low for a powerplayer of your caliber
when Nancy (who you 'townread) and me got into a fight, you stood buy and ate popcorn. Why didn't you step in? Because I think u were perfectly happy with the gamestate at that point. Having town eat each other alive in thread, derailing any other discussion.

Nancy practicly walked into your pocker if ur scum here. Most of your posts (and i'm talking a high90+% here) are completely NAI. Your push on Norwee is bad. You aren't sorting other slots, just focusing in on the 1. Ignoring people who townread them.

Why should i be townreading you here?

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alright, give me a reason that isn't something from my town meta.

i'm not playing the meta game

you think you have done enough to be townread this game

what exactly did you do to justify that? it's a simple question

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My play here is easy

you'll learn a lot about me when you know my allignment

i'm doing this to find out if:

-i'm either right and FL is scum
-i'm either wrong and FL is town, which means Nancy is 100% town, and i'm pocketed/bad reads on norwee/TGP

with a small chance that this is all a big town brawl and scum are in the lurker pool, with Pine leading them

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@TSQ

i think i need to bust the ego mode out for this one

ive been trying to just stay low and try to make it to end game so i can do a hero solve, but looks like these fools gonna get me night killed

you've been laying WAAAAYYYY to low for a powerplayer of your caliber
when Nancy (who you 'townread) and me got into a fight, you stood buy and ate popcorn. Why didn't you step in? Because I think u were perfectly happy with the gamestate at that point. Having town eat each other alive in thread, derailing any other discussion.

Nancy practicly walked into your pocker if ur scum here. Most of your posts (and i'm talking a high90+% here) are completely NAI. Your push on Norwee is bad. You aren't sorting other slots, just focusing in on the 1. Ignoring people who townread them.

Why should i be townreading you here?

That's about what I thought.

I don't understand why "You haven't given me a reason to town read you" = "I am scum reading you, though."

That's the leap I'm not understanding. This seems to me to be a lot of burden of proficiency stuff. I have't played with FL, I have no preconceived notions of them except one time I played with boonskies and he was an idiot and an asshole. I don't see a lot of reason to think "you would be great if you were town" is a real argument.

They're seperate items. I'm not sure about my scum!FL read. There's enough for me to scumread him, by the post I quoted. There's part of me that is very unsure about it. And FL is so confident he should be townread, that i'm genuinely interested in the 'why'. It might help me see their PoV.

And this is just a 2-sided game at this point. Either there's scum in the FL/Nancy camp, or there's scum in 'my' camp. I'd love to be able and sort that out.

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FL, what's the bullet point case you have on scum!norwee?

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Man i can’t take the self-bragging anymore. I’m just gonna wake up, take a break from mafia and do stuff

i actually kinda townread that self-bragging lol

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I didn’t freaking walk into jack, I actually used my brain.

what did FL do to make you townrea

You’re saying he pocketed me. His progression on Ram isn’t what I’m used to seeing from scum!FL.

I’m getting extremely tired of having my reads be constantly discredited as either OMGUS or pocket. In both PA and CoD, this isn’t how he approached my slot. Yes he was tr me in CoD but the basic difference between this game and this one was that my tr on him felt far more like a Stockholm Syndrome type of thing as I only tr him out of fear because he kept jumping on me whenever I disagreed with him on anything. That’s definitely not the case here but like I said, this push on him by both of you without imho just cause is making me me dig my heels on town!FL because it’s not making any sense to me.

i'm getting tired that you keep calling my pushes 'without just cause'... it's fine if you truly believe that, but it's just wrong from my PoV.

In a world where you, me, FL and norwee are town

who's scum?

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I standby the Pine/Nancy/Flavor town block.

how tf is pine in your townblock

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are we playing the same game ^^

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i'm not (helping to) kill today:

Nancy/TSQ/Norwee

pending stuff that needs adressing, i may or may not wanna kill:

TGP
FL

slots that I would have no problem yeeting today:

Pine/Deb/Akarin/Ramc (these are in order or preference)

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Why should anyone else be sr him here? If you’re town here Ico, why are you approaching FL with a guilty until proven innocent mindset?

i summarized my main concerns about FL, and quoted them as well for TSQ

as for the heavy agression, it's just what I do. you may have noticed that

i tend to leap in head first into arguments

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FL, what's the bullet point case you have on scum!norwee?

I wanted to push someone on the first half of the zoraster wagon.

He was setting up to push me.

his TGP reasoning looks like a TGP pocket attempt and the reasoning for the read itself was poor.

his reads look fabricated/political.

he was trying to take control of the game.

He was overdefensive when I was barely pushing him.


Could I see him being stubborn enough to do this as town? Yeah, it's really a coinflip for me right now, tbh, but 50/50 odds are still better than the majority of my other reads right now, and this has been the kind of level i've been at, which is why I think this whole thing is a huge overreaction, and could be scum trying to find ways to come after me. Scum absolutely need to deal with me, and I guarantee you scum thought I was baiting the Night Kill, because I was.

I WIFOM scum teams. It's what I do.

For me, this isn't convincing enough to scumread norwee. I see norwee genuinely approaching this game, trying to solve and Get Shit Done. Most of the pushes and posts against him are bad to terrible. I'm fine sitting on my norwee townread today.

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I am 100% town and I think FL is also. And your push on me yesterday still makes 0 sense.

I think ur town. I thought you were town through most of our 1v1 yesterday. The fact that you don't see the sense in my push is on you, not on me. I was as clear as I could be about it. If ur town, I'd love to post-game talk to you about it. Especially if town!you got genuinely upset about it. If it was scum!you then scum!you can fuck off :p

I'm not as convinced about town!FL as you are. I also townread norwee. My reads are basicly the opposite of yours and FL, so it's not easy seeing you both as town here.

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@TSQ

i think i need to bust the ego mode out for this one

ive been trying to just stay low and try to make it to end game so i can do a hero solve, but looks like these fools gonna get me night killed

you've been laying WAAAAYYYY to low for a powerplayer of your caliber
when Nancy (who you 'townread) and me got into a fight, you stood buy and ate popcorn. Why didn't you step in? Because I think u were perfectly happy with the gamestate at that point. Having town eat each other alive in thread, derailing any other discussion.

Nancy practicly walked into your pocker if ur scum here. Most of your posts (and i'm talking a high90+% here) are completely NAI. Your push on Norwee is bad. You aren't sorting other slots, just focusing in on the 1. Ignoring people who townread them.

Why should i be townreading you here?

That's about what I thought.

I don't understand why "You haven't given me a reason to town read you" = "I am scum reading you, though."

That's the leap I'm not understanding. This seems to me to be a lot of burden of proficiency stuff. I have't played with FL, I have no preconceived notions of them except one time I played with boonskies and he was an idiot and an asshole. I don't see a lot of reason to think "you would be great if you were town" is a real argument.

They're seperate items. I'm not sure about my scum!FL read. There's enough for me to scumread him, by the post I quoted. There's part of me that is very unsure about it. And FL is so confident he should be townread, that i'm genuinely interested in the 'why'. It might help me see their PoV.

And this is just a 2-sided game at this point. Either there's scum in the FL/Nancy camp, or there's scum in 'my' camp. I'd love to be able and sort that out.

I thought you’re supposed to have good reads. I think it’s beyond obvious this isn’t my scumgame here.

you should realize that entire post you quoted is about FL, and not you right?

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My reads are basicly the opposite of yours and FL, so it's not easy seeing you both as town here.

so why is this okay for you to say this, but not okay for me to say the same thing about you and Norwee?

i totally understand you on that
Nancy as well for that matter

[Iconeum]

i'm not trying to argue, unlike you and Nancy, that i should be locktown read here

i'm more concerned with my own reads really

ok so like

can we drop this for a sec and look at the bigger picture?

[Iconeum]

1. Mistyx
2. Iconeum
3. TheGoldenParadox
4. Nancy Drew 39
5. Flavor Leaf
6. Pine
7. thestatusquo
8. Ramcius
9. NorwegianboyEE
10. Dr Easy Bake
11. Akarin

In the world where FL and Nancy are town, and they are correct and norwee is scum, there are still what, 2?, scum at large?
That's 2 scum contained in Akarin/DEB/Ram/TGP/Mistyx

with a townread on TSQ from me, and your Pine townread

[Iconeum]

i'm not (helping to) kill today:

Nancy/TSQ/Norwee

pending stuff that needs adressing, i may or may not wanna kill:

TGP
FL

slots that I would have no problem yeeting today:

Pine/Deb/Akarin/Ramc (these are in order or preference)

I’m your #1 tr now?
How tf did that happen?

Well maybe I was wrong on you then?

if this is legit town!nancy then you have to be one of the most pocketeable players on site

just throw a big townread at you

[Iconeum]

zoraster(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER

assuming scum on-wagon and using my previous assumptions, mistyx is the only one that sticks out here

[Iconeum]

VOTE: norwee

i dont really have a detailed explanation at this point in time

but i think he shifted towards being more aggressive today after getting pushed and i kinda dislike it

going backwards in mistyx iso this immediately sticks out

a vote on someone who's being pushed by 2 of the most present slots in-game, for 'being more agressive after being pushed'.

Why didn't Mistyx come after me or Nancy yesterday? We were both a lot more agressive during our 1v1 then previously. In fact, mystix I think called it 'natural'?

what is so scum!indicative about getting heated when ur being pushed and especially if you feel ur being shitpushed?

[Iconeum]

@Ico, stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever call Norwee scum?

I think the push on FL was really bad and that’s all I’m committing too until I have more information.

fair enough about FL

i seem to be mistaken about your norwee read

wanna push DEB together?

[Iconeum]

Is this gonna turn into a fan service anime? ew

this alone deserves my vote lol

VOTE: DEB

[Iconeum]

in other news

what's everyone's setup spec regarding TGP's claim?

[Iconeum]

What do you mean by setup spec.

Could be a role in the game, pretty dumb thing to fake claim. Pretty NAI. Is there something I'm missing here with the claim?

there's no such thing as 'could' be a role in the game

if you claim a neighbourizer ur gonna neighbourize or die

there's like a 99% chance the claim is real, and if we don't have confirmation that TGP has in fact neighbourized he dies at a certain point

but do you think a neighbourizer claim is town or scum!indicative? Members of my team are urging me it's scum!indicative and i'm not convinced. And given the power flavour so far, yeah

[Iconeum]

I have no clue. Wanna share your teams reasoning for why its scum indicative?

because apparently it's more common for a neighbourizer to be scum then town

that's basicly it

[Iconeum]

You're just completely overreacting, and Ico, if town, is only looking at a thin surface layer and is OMGUS tunneled from when I pushed them yesterday

thin surface layer? maybe. probably. I'm not really good at this game except for the occasional gutread. I'm definitely not tunneled. And my push on you definitely wasn't OMGUS-based either.

[Iconeum]

zoraster(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER

assuming scum on-wagon and using my previous assumptions, mistyx is the only one that sticks out here

that's because you're actively looking to not have a few others stick out.

I could have been off this wagon, but I hammered instead of DEB.

I also used this as one of the reasons for Norwegian scum, which you ignored, but now are looking into this same thing?

okay.

i'm not ignoring your wagon analysis, but I think norwee is town. Why would I push him then? it's called PoE, not sure why you don't see this

[Iconeum]

i'm being pinged by a mad man shouting at me to specify that it's a plain neighbourizer which is more scum indicative, according to him

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

ABR is one of my favorite bands, we go waayyyy back.

TBH Rurouni Kenshin is the only anime that’s ever mattered.
Im mad at not being around to hammer.

Mystyx, Norwee, Nancy

Y’all are silly, that’s my town block

Is this gonna turn into a fan service anime? ew

Oooooo Ico’s coming for the thunder, but it won’t be down under.

can we got some votes on this

alternatively discussion about why not to yeet DEB?

[Iconeum]

Math thinks it’s town indicative.

why exactly?

[Iconeum]

and Nancy, have you recently read thru DEB's iso?

not really seeing why you don't scumread DEB

for that matter, i'm really surprised there isn't more pressure on DEB from anyone really

[Iconeum]

And there's my content.

[Iconeum]

honestly, even if Norwegian is town, theyre probably gonna cause a loss.

they want me to push them, and frankly, im about to actually push them because I'm done with their overreactionary ass

hot take

Nancy has been overreactionary so far
I have been overreactionary so far
You have been overreactionary so far

why is norwee scum for supposedly that?

[Iconeum]

yet freaks out over a tiny tiny bit of pressure

Shut up FL.

#

Ok so i'm reminded of Large 230 which had us argue for 50 pages, and you were town in that game.
If we consider this possiblity then the outcome of Ramcius being scum rises exponentially. As it reminds of what ABR was doing in that game where he would protect you and you got pocketed hard by him because you needed allies to keep pushing me and Nero Cain even though we were both obvtown.

if you have experience with town!FL i need you to come through here and tell me this is FL's town game. Or at least that this *could* be his towngame.

[Iconeum]

nah, you're wrong, and you've made me lose complete interest in this game, so i will continue shading you because you are town who's gonna lose the game for town, or scum

you lost interest in the game because someone is scumreading you?

wow

instead of attempting to engage with norwee you just shade him and keep screaming 'im so obvtown if you still think this is scum!me it's on you'

it's just so bad lol

[Iconeum]

FL if ur town here, step up your game

i'm sure you are capable of that

[Iconeum]

nah, you're wrong, and you've made me lose complete interest in this game, so i will continue shading you because you are town who's gonna lose the game for town, or scum

tell me if i'm wrong here but like

-town!FL with a scumread on norwee is going to hardcore push that. Ur not doing that here. Even in the situation where you actually believe norwee is so anti-town that he will cost town the game, you would hardcore push that

-scum!FL who is being pushed by town!norwee would do what? Push back?

I don't understand your play here, FL.

[Iconeum]

they do think DEB's posting has been nothing but shitpost, but they respect that I can read him pretty well since I know him.

we are solidly into day 2

i love good shitposting as much as anyone, but by now you gotta at least include *some* content, no?

we need to push that slot

[Iconeum]

like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

this is on you, FL, not the rest of us.

If ur town here, you literally need to step up and do *something*? Do you even have a scumread or PoE that makes sense and does not include 6 players?

[Iconeum]

do whatever the fuck you guys want

i quit

vote DEB for me?

[Iconeum]

ok @ everyone

can we just focus on the slots that are literally not doing anything right now? We have a TON of content on the active slots, there's plenty of opinions and it's clearly not developping much further. Do we really wanna go into Day 3 with someone like DEB who is ONLY shitposting/ignoring this game?

[Iconeum]

like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

this is on you, FL, not the rest of us.

If ur town here, you literally need to step up and do *something*? Do you even have a scumread or PoE that makes sense and does not include 6 players?

nope dont care

im town

do what you will with that

done

I think there's a +50% chance ur town here
But surely you can see that your behaviour, if ur town here, is at BEST destructive for town yeah?

[Iconeum]

like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

Couldn't agree more.

VOTE: Norwegian

My team's been helping out with reads while I flounder a bit catching up. Dannflor's money is on a Norwegian/Akarin/TGP scumteam, though I'm not sold on TGP. Jingle largely agrees though we talked about tracking the night kill, trying to figure out who would have shot BB. He's not an obvious shot, and that can really say a lot. It was a process of elimination, but we thought the person with the best combination of experience, perceived threat level, and teammates might be Mistyx.

I'm feeling pretty good about those reads. {Norwegian, Akarin} and one of {TGP, Mistyx} seems most likely.

I'll support that with Townreads -

Flavor Leaf and Nancy continue to be rock solid TRs for me.

Shea is playing recklessly and punishing people who aren't as invested in the game. I fucking hate that, and it's generally anti-Town, but the vigor of it suggests he's pursuing an aggressive attempt to sort. If he were flippant and actually

pursued

his shitty vendettas, it might be a scum veneer. He's not - he drops them as soon as he has a real lead. I can respect that.

Ramcius and Iconeum are harder to read, but playing generally to a pro-Town agenda.

DEB I haven't got a clue on.

[Iconeum]

ok so pine is scum

DEB potentially partner

there i've found 2

we flip these and you guys can associate the rest of the team later this game

[Iconeum]

'solid' townreads on the 2 potentially strongest players in this game is just easy. It makes you stay out of harms way. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. It's so safe it just pings me like crazy. Not that I don't understand those reads, but they didn't develop very well ya feel. and FL's play here is just so anti-town, it's rough not seeing Pine call that out.

His take on me is just terrible. Pine knows me a lot better then that.

Generaly very pinged by that post yeah

[Iconeum]

Ico, you're just fucking wrong on norwegian

didn't you literally just say that norwee is probably just anti-town-town?

[Iconeum]

'solid' townreads on the 2 potentially strongest players in this game is just easy. It makes you stay out of harms way. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. It's so safe it just pings me like crazy. Not that I don't understand those reads, but they didn't develop very well ya feel. and FL's play here is just so anti-town, it's rough not seeing Pine call that out.

His take on me is just terrible. Pine knows me a lot better then that.

Generaly very pinged by that post yeah

Hi! Please play better. I've barely been present and I'm doing better than that.

ur Lucky your ISO starts with that combat wombat opening or i'd be all over your ass

[Iconeum]

but guess what

my scum meta is that im ultra consistent, almost too consistent so dont care

i'm not here to fight you and tell you ur scum

i think there's a good chance ur town

and that you need to do shit and help town get out of this mess

[Iconeum]

TGP's timing to come out and push FL is interesting

[Iconeum]

yeah, i did neighborize someone. i'm going to talk with my neighbor on whether i should reveal them right now or not.

did this happen? if not, why not?

[Iconeum]

I guess the main reason I’m tr Ico’s push was because it was him who came to the realization I was very likely town and unlike TGP didn’t weirdly seem unhappy about that, rather almost relieved.

ur not wrong

while i certainly don't agree with your every read here, posts like 2231 at least fortify the townread on Nancy

i wish FL would show me stuff like that so I can breath easier on that account as well, because I do not share Nancy's optimism about FL

[Iconeum]

Votecount 2.09

NorwegianboyEE(3)

~ Flavor Leaf(181), Ramcius(49), Pine(20)

Flavor Leaf(2)

~ NorwegianboyEE(151), TheGoldenParadox(11)

Akarin(2)

~ thestatusquo(44), Mistyx(44)

Dr Easy Bake(1)

~ Iconeum(96)


Not Voting (3): Nancy Drew 39(133), Dr Easy Bake(6), Akarin(8)


With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-12 12:40:00)

Mod Notes

• Have fun!

the norwee wagon is ugly looking
the FL wagon is meh
Akarin wagon can be good i suppose

if ya'll are fine letting DEB cruise through this day, without a SINGLE GODDAMN WORD OF CONTENT IN THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR OK

VOTE: akarin

[Iconeum]

E-2 i guess?

[Iconeum]

i mean, deb did say a few things

i mean, they did post that *after* the point i replied about it in my catchup

[Iconeum]

i was actually contemplating Pine yeah

[Iconeum]

tbh, akarin isn't a townread of mine but i just jumped on the wagon that looked the most townie to me lol

[Iconeum]

Pine's obv town

why

[Iconeum]

like, if you have convincing arguments for town!Pine i'd love to hear em

but 'pine obvtown' just isn't extremely compelling ya feel

[Iconeum]

I did a meta dive on DEB and honestly my issue with pursing them is that they just don't post anything as either alignment.

Here's a town game I found of theirs where basically they just did this same thing and got eliminated d3 as town.

viewtopic.php?t=81078&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I'm not super interested in elimming someone based on playstyle yet, I'd rather actually scum hunt. The only thing I can really see different that game is they posted more frequently at points. It's frustrating and I wish the rules were enforced in such a way as to not allow players to play the game this way (my rule sets prohibit it! plug plug) but when confronted with a slot like this or Not_Mafia I just kind of throw my hands up and say well we'll get to them eventually.

I'd rather go after partners because I feel like if DEB is scum he's not winning at end game if he's the only scum alive.

hey thanks for that! actually helpfull

[Iconeum]

@TSQ wanna play devils advocate RE akarin with me?

[Iconeum]

120 opening post - doesn't feel forced
All posts regarding the claim and flavour read like 'oh hey i know about this and i can finally contribute! here's my thoughts! - which feels townie to me

940 about the same thing - feels like a player who's a bit lost in this game but then thinks 'hey i can contribute here'
945 at least some effort in sorting/making a poe

1432 not gonna say you can't fake this as scum, but generally asking the thread 'is anyone around' does ping like town to me
1434

locktown

1436 isn't terrible

[Iconeum]

soul reads, brother

explain or gtfo

[Iconeum]

@TSQ, my 2331 ignores the scummy parts and focuses on what I can see be town!akarin this game

what do you think?

[Iconeum]

FL, why aren't you sorting norwee?

last time i checked, you said you were still undecided

i'd expect town!you to at least put up an effort to sort norwee properly here?

[Iconeum]

nah i quit

ill come back and solve the game in a day phase or two

infuriating

if you wanna act like a piece of shit why the fuck did you sign up for this

[Iconeum]

@nancy

are you absolutely certain this is town!FL? even with this kind of shitty behaviour?

[Iconeum]

@FL tread carefully

your next posts will decide the future of this game

[Iconeum]

very well

then i'm officially done with this game

congrats FL

if this is town!you, you just threw this game

i am voting you until either you die, or i'm dead

i have no further interest in this game until either one happens

VOTE: FL

play the fucking game or gtfo

[Iconeum]

you gained some momentum, now you trying to throw threats around.

look at the obvious facts, this is never my scum game, you're just tunneled from being oversensitive to being scum read either alignment

i literally just asked you for a reads explanation that goes beyond 'pine locktown' and you throw this at me?

i'm done with you

this town will be better off without you as either allignment

[Iconeum]

very well

then i'm officially done with this game

congrats FL

if this is town!you, you just threw this game

i am voting you until either you die, or i'm dead

i have no further interest in this game until either one happens

VOTE: FL

play the fucking game or gtfo

What the actual fuck are you doing, Iconeum. Pull your head out of your scaly ass.

ur next

[Iconeum]

better kill me here today

[Iconeum]

how many votes do we need to yeet FL?

6?

[Iconeum]

me/TGP/norwee

can we get 3 more?

[Iconeum]

You’re voting personality, not evidence. Stop it. You’re better than that

oh i'm absolutely voting personality here

and i'm absolutely not better then that against a ….

well. let's try not to get banned so i'll refrain from finishing that sentence

[Iconeum]

I was fucking obviously taking a break from this game, i'm not doing shit right now.

Norwegian asked me to fucking back off from pushing him, and I am doing just that, so gtfo.

I will fucking make cases when I'm in a better state of mind because you guys pissed me the fuck off

you go take a break while i find the last votes to finish you today

[Iconeum]

Mistyx
thestatusquo
Ramcius
Dr Easy Bake
Akarin

3 of these players will need to vote FL, or Nancy/Pine have to change their minds which I deem unlikely?

can these players talk to me about why they would or wouldn't sheep me here?

[Iconeum]

i'll even take votes from my scumreads in that list at this point

[Iconeum]

@scumteam

if FL ain't on your team, this is your chance

[Iconeum]

i'll throw in some cookies if needed but i'd rather not

[Iconeum]

If you're town why are you townreadin Pine, Flavour.

Can you give an actualy believable reason.

he already did lol

[Iconeum]

Pine's obv town

soul reads, brother

nah i quit

ill come back and solve the game in a day phase or two

[Iconeum]

If you're town why are you townreadin Pine, Flavour.

Can you give an actualy believable reason.

he can't , or he won't

both are excellent reasons to yeet him on the spot

[Iconeum]

You really think that people vote someone the next day because they agreed to vote them the day before? Show me. I think the thing you're accusing norwee of is nonsense.

You said someone is "trying to set up three town miselims." how do you know those people are town, other than yourself? I don't do this to suggest you're TMIing, I'm saying it to show how much I think TMI is a bullshit overused tell. Townies accidentally TMI all the time.

oh lol

pine scumslipped lol

nice

we can do him next

[Iconeum]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

[Iconeum]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

one day you will realize i am genuinely attempting to sort you

if poking the bear is what it takes, then so be it

[Iconeum]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

[Iconeum]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

and which, do you think, is which?

[Iconeum]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

one day you will realize i am genuinely attempting to sort you

if poking the bear is what it takes, then so be it

for someone who asked me to stop engaging with you, you certainly seem to be baiting me bigtime here

which means you don't want me to back off and actually fight you?

sure

i dont give a shit if you're trying to eat a candy bar.

if i was a day vig, you'd be shot right now

[Iconeum]

oops

[Iconeum]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

Like I don't think town makes "strategic" town reads in this fashion a lot. I don't.

ah i see

[Iconeum]

Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?

[Iconeum]

norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

And you wonder why Ico wants to policy you.

nah, he's an ignorant oversensitive surface level player like you, i know the reasons he wants to policy.

why you gotta make it personal, dude?

not cool

[Iconeum]

there's even the chance we're all town here, that's where I'm at, but damned, I'll policy a yo and still come back to win the game.

I tried policy'ing a confirmed town player because I knew they were gonna cost town the game; they did.

ok let's go

policy me

get me the fuck out of this game, then proceed to get your head out of your ass, and win the game for me

VOTE: iconeum

[Iconeum]

if you want me to sheep you, it has to be on a non-norwee slot

[Iconeum]

ok

VOTE: FL

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

fucking vla every weekend.

then has the ignorant audacity to push a surface level policy because im not mentally or emotionally feeling this game right now because you fucks pissed me the fuck off.

im on a mental and emotional vla here, and i still show up

[Iconeum]

I want FL to post AI stuff. These rants you're tempting are just a waste of time.

what do you think i'm trying to achieve here lol

[Iconeum]

bruh if i was scum here, you'd be getting faded so hard.

[Iconeum]

but instead you set me off, and make the entire game get apathetic.

good job

*refuses to answer a single question and refuses to properly interact and sort others

*proceeds to call the game apathetic

ur hilarious

[Iconeum]

i will blame ico for the loss here if town in many future games, and i am much louder than ico so it doesn't even matter if they try to fight back

*refuses to be a town player
*intentionally plays anti-town
*picks fights with townreads

*proceeds to pre-emptively blame others about potentially losing the game

lol

[Iconeum]

i will blame ico for the loss here if town in many future games, and i am much louder than ico so it doesn't even matter if they try to fight back

*refuses to be a town player
*intentionally plays anti-town
*picks fights with townreads

*proceeds to pre-emptively blame others about potentially losing the game

lol

allllll fucking town flavor to a fucking TEEEEEEEEEEEE

i believe you

[Iconeum]

ok FL's town

Pine went up like

1 or 2 small ladders

[Iconeum]

Mistyx
Ramcius
Dr Easy Bake
Akarin

2 scum in this group, with a probably wrong read on my part somewhere (assuming 3 scums)

sounds like a solve to me

[Iconeum]

i'm not sure no

it sounds too easy

but i've got varying townreads on practically everyone else lol

maybe add pine to that group?

[Iconeum]

i just dont hold back my deep inner thoughts when im smoking, the truth need be heard, im a truth spewer, i speaks the truth!

can you like

pls gib a wasted PoE of who's scum this game

[Iconeum]

the hard, brutal, high truth please

[Iconeum]

i play

mafia

better

when im high

im just more fun

you're just no fun

this is a lie

you are having tons of fun because of me :p

[Iconeum]

bruh if i was scum here, you'd be getting faded so hard.

i bet this one made you laugh out loud, FL

[Iconeum]

i wasn't necesarilly trying to squeeze a quick elim on LHF out wrt to DEB, as much as i would have loved some pressure on that slot for content that I could judge it on myself

[Iconeum]

TGP hooded me

[Iconeum]

setup spec can argue that he's scum
teammate gypyx 'normal "normal" believes the claim is more likely to be scum then town, based on general site meta and setup spec (same spec as mine)

a thing happened in the hood that made me go 'hmmmm awfully convenient timing' and another thing happened that doesn't quite add up

didn't bring it up until now because i was confident i could use the hood 'against him' if he is scum, but he isn't there and definitely not doing stuff but rl can be a thing ya know

why did i bring it up now, you ask?
because this game can probably use a fresh topic of discussion if you ask me

[Iconeum]

How likely is a scum neighborizer really?

according to my teammate, near lockscum

[Iconeum]

i'm not as convinced as he is obviously

[Iconeum]

Did TGP explain why he targeted you?

because he thinks or thought he is capable of sorting me in a hood

we do have a recent history together

[Iconeum]

and no, he hasn't made a single post towards that goal since i got hooded

[Iconeum]

scumslips arent real zzz

perspective slips are

not saying it *has* to be that but calling something 'three' misflips does appear like TMI

[Iconeum]

Hoods are useless for town, but it's a great tool for scum to pocket people

i'd disagree wit the first, agree with the second but in that case i would also expect scum!TGP to put up more effort in pocketing me

[Iconeum]

120 opening post - doesn't feel forced
All posts regarding the claim and flavour read like 'oh hey i know about this and i can finally contribute! here's my thoughts! - which feels townie to me

940 about the same thing - feels like a player who's a bit lost in this game but then thinks 'hey i can contribute here'
945 at least some effort in sorting/making a poe

1432 not gonna say you can't fake this as scum, but generally asking the thread 'is anyone around' does ping like town to me
1434

locktown

1436 isn't terrible

1) why does that feel townie? Scum frequently seize on mech discussion as a "safe" place where they can express thoughts. I look at the results of that comment, which was continued momentum on a townie by shading a claim that eventually ended up being true. I especially, as I said in my case, don't like the juxtaposition here with her interactions with the wagon later on.

2) Same response as the first post. Especially juxtaposed with how she said she was considering hammering.

3) This is a random collection of players with no reasoning whatsoever, not a sort. One of those players is confirmed town. This list also consists of {player who was being pushed by one of the loudest players in the game, player who was basically just posting to vote pine who is now confirmed town, player who has done basically nothing the entire game}. It's the easiest least wave making read list of all time, with no follow up.

4) I have no opinions on this post.

5) lol

6) this post is fine to me, outweighed by the other stuff I see, but fine.

Overarching thought: Could these posts come from a townie? I mean yeah sure. I don't think they're particularly townie posts, though, and I think they're very easily fakeable. I tend to look to the motivation of the posts and think "what was the impact of this post on the game and did it push the game in a pro town or pro scum direction" and I think that on balance these posts don't tend to do much for the hypothesis "akarin is attempting to push the game in a town direction." besides maybe the last post. I think the claim stuff in particular does the opposite, but the rest of it is completely null at best in terms of if it seems like its a player who actually attempting to make the game go in a town direction. Shrug.

ok

VOTE: akarin

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Walk through the logic on misty with me. I liked their interaction with me at the beginning of the game and I feel like I kind of let them fade from my attention.

This isn't anything personal against misty, but i can't really recall any strong stance they took this game. Or a fight they made, or a push they did. I don't townread the slot. Therefore it goes into my PoE.

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an easy solve on misty would be that if we flip Akarin, and we hit scum, misty is very probably town just by how easy they 'sheeped' you, TSQ, on akarin

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yo FL wanna talk about TGP?

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imagine purposefully being a dick in a game and *don't do anything about it*

totally understand things get heated and fallout from that (guilty as charged) but this is just too much FL

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Hey FL

i've got a potential hot take on TGP that i wanna discuss with you if ur willing

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it may be surface level but hey that's what ur gonna get from me :p

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because i'm not gonna bother with writing something down that is aimed specifically at you if ur not interested in hearing it

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A short timeline of what happened in the TGP hood:

-he invites me, and opens with a post that basicly says that he hooded me because i'm not a lurker and sorteable. He also confirmed his action.
-i spammed quite a bit of my thoughts, some of which were aimed at baiting a reaction and weren't entirely truthfull. I overstated my scumread on you (but still, i had every intention of poking you today)
-i made a remark of how terrible of an idea it would be to push you today in the current gamestate and that it would result in a total shitfest (who could've imagined that lol)

-TGP basicly agreed with my take on you, that pushing you today is a bad idea but that he would also be interested in poking you to get some AI content out of you. He suggested a D3 join-push on you.

In short, when the environment seemed to turn 'ripe' for a push on you, he came into the main thread and just joined the push on you. No discussing it in our hood, no agreements, no shared thoughts.

That felt incredibly opportunistic to me.

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The only thing standing in the way here is that TGP is claiming IRL busy works, which is NAI but like... can easily be true.

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i hard disagree there isn't AI stuff from me since the beginning of the game, you guys just double think yourselves with me

we can agree and disagree on that forever, but the truth is that *

to me*

you were not sorteable with the content you produced

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i hard disagree there isn't AI stuff from me since the beginning of the game, you guys just double think yourselves with me

we can agree and disagree on that forever, but the truth is that *

to me*

you were not sorteable with the content you produced

then you should learn how to read people better

why should i do that, if i can just provoke them and get what i want that way

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i play mafia by interacting with people and creating reactions, then i go back later in the game, do wagonomics, and look at the chain of events and actions that conspired

And what makes you think that I don't play in a similar way? My best reads come from direct interaction with players, and I tend to deliberately get up in someone's face if I wanna sort them properly. I've done that with both Nancy and you this game. There's PLENTY of examples in my towngames that support my statement.

The only thing with you that got out of hand was your dismissal and high-horse play vs me. Other then that, I was in full control of what I was doing.

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yeah, and how'd that work out for you, you just came to the conclusion i was town way later than you could have, with much much more effort.i do shit on my terms.

quite excellent, really. My reads on Nancy and you have improved. I think people had an easy time seeing I'm actually town this game because of it.

It's interesting that there are slots in game who are just ignoring every single bit of content that's happening. Will make it easy to solve later on.

yeah i was actually pretty pleased with the result (except for the over-the-top arguments, i don't take pride in those)

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Norwegian/TGP/Status could be a team, but Status would have probably shaded me more if that were the case, but he seemed to try to brush Norwegian off the TvT, maybe because he thinks that they would lose, but that's an option I'm looking into right now

TSQ is town based on the fact that he got so upset that nobody was listening to his reads and push - I don't think that was faked

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TGP flipping scum is probably gonna make me reconsider my norwee townread actually

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so that is another piece of the chain link on top of all the other things I had already stated

i am not a master of this game like you are and i don't pretend that i am

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also, all of Norwegian's push has come across as them trying to convince me that I am scum, which is a borderline scum tell.

i disagree, i think that's actually +town

i do that a lot as town as well, rarely to never as scum

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I’d rather become the elimination just to discredit FL and make sure nobody listens to him again than have an Akarin flip.

i doubt you really believe this

agreed with mistyx here

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Try me.
This game is so toxic because of FL that it feels like nothing really matters because nobody cares about what i say anyway.

mmmm

we had a toxic little moment there, yesterday

with what i've seen from FL today there is a lot more reason and rhyme to him, not toxicity?

that said, there's no way i'm down with a norwee lim here today until i've seen an akarin/TGP flip

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I generally enjoy and trust Town!Titus’s opinions

then why did you quote TSQ saying she'd never been right with them

mistyx we finally vibing?

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hell yeah

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weekend vla imminent

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titus says that Norwee and FL should never be voted unless Akarin flips town

i'm inclined to agree

I don't think this is a super bad take though, even if anyone dislikes VCA by principle.
If Akarin is town then it proves both me and FL are most likely in a SvT, and if Akarin is scum then maybe this just is a TvT and scum are in the inactive fucks or cheering our TvT on.

I’m not changing my vote until either me/FL is flipped or FL admits he is wrong on me.
I’m not going to become the elimination in ElO because of FL’s garbage play.
If FL agrees on voting someone else like Akarin then i’ll consider voting there as well. Otherwise, no.

Sweet jebas these are scummy posts

Credit @Dannflor

this is a shady post, and i don't understand the scummyness in those posts either

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I would support a Norwee or TGP push right now. I don’t condone Akarin until we see a Norwee flip or something else changes

Not crazy about this post. I also feel pretty confident about Misty town as well.

we're not agreeing about everything this game, but if you see a potential for TGP/Pine/Akarin team then maybe there is hope :p

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I think both Norwee and Misty are town and neither Ico/Shea or any of my teammates support a Norwee wagon, I find the push on Norwee extremely concerning.

yet you hard townread FL?

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So who would you vote for?

As I said, I'm not caught up but most recent pool was (FL, TGP, Pine, Misty, DEB)

That's done just by eliminating townreads on the part of the catchup I already did.

If I had to vote right this second I'd vote Pine based on Day 1, but I'm not going to vote right now.

Why Misty?

What specifically about Pine’s Day 1?

Anyway, I’m 100% trusting Pooky’s read on Norwee > Dann, since Pooky’s actually caught scum!Norwee at least twice I think? And none of my teammates are sus on him, Misty, Ram, Ico or Shea.

i like these reads, even tho i'm not as convinced on ram and misty as you are

feeling much more comfortable working together with Nancy then with FL to be honest

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Pine is now looking like a much better wagon than Akarin.

i'm still solidly liking norwee posting

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The political reads

the overreactions

the poor reasoning to town read TGP

the constant misrep and discredit of why they are being pushed.

Their lack of acknowledgement to multiple team options

they're setting up of misfades.

you've had political reads
you've had overreactions
you've had poor reasons for certain reads, or at least were 100% unwilling to explain them
you have definitely been misrepping/shading/discrediting other players
you literally had a PoE of like 6? or smt players so yeah the setting up misfades can be said about you as well

this entire post applies to you as well so no it's not very compelling

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Norwee/TGP *could* be a team vs town!FL

but it's never TGP with FL or norwee with FL

and town!norwee + town!TGP can be a thing vs scum!FL

Pine feels like a much better flip here lol