TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

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I mean, just venge me if we're gonna do it that way. The setup doesnt have to be parallel to the last game, i would actively expect it not to be? But i guess i have bias since I know it's different

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i guess im biased against it because i know it's not the case

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i specifically brought Pine down and actively said JK was the role I thought scum had?

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FL reply by this post fast or it's a scum claim:

What is the flavour of your abilities?

omni directional mobility gear

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you make some good points.

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7 PR's are fine, I like to put like 3 vanilla in my games, even my larges only have 3 Vanilla, lol

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FL reply by this post fast or it's a scum claim:

What is the flavour of your abilities?

omni directional mobility gear

Omni-directional-mobility-gear is the name of the equipment that every character on Attack on Titan uses.
It's not specific to Mikasa.
Every other flavour is something specific to their flavour.

Bruh why would i make up a flavor name lol

name what would be specific to Mikasa, though, because im trying to think about it.


Do scum not have ability names? i dont understand the purpose of the flavor.

DEB had an ability in his thing, in what world would i as scum not just claim the ability my character would have?

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what would you put for Mikasa then....

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Norwegian, I'm just town here. I think it's hilarious how hard of flavor fever you got. i think im leaning Pine/Ramcius right now

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scum were literally hiding behind me all game

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just because everyone has it doesnt mean thats not the most iconic like ability thing in attack on titan bar the titans

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it's just a cool piece of gear

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I kinda agree with you. Pine targeting me doesnt make sense because I was softing PR. I think that was a true roleblock on me, and Pine does make sense threat killing BBmolla. And I think he was about ready to turn on me earlier because he knew i was town lying from the beginning.

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makes sense why i liked it then

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Auro thinks Nancy is obv town and thought so earlier too.

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I DIDNT DROP OFF I WENT TO SLEEP

Just waking up.

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Auro thinks Nancy is obv town and thought so earlier too.

But you were hardpushing me earlier?

So?

I don’t check my discord that often

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And i don’t have to follow my teammates reads.

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I DIDNT DROP OFF I WENT TO SLEEP

Just waking up.

Is Pine sleeping too?

It’s also quite hilarious to me people think that if Pine and I were scum together we’d ever have these association tells between us

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@Ramcius - i am still like one of the highest posters in this game, i have been playing, and i have actively stated what i believe the scum team to be in, so idk what part of “isn’t solving” you are pushing

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He also thinks it was incredibly townie how you reacted towards me going after you, but I’m not gonna say any of that.

He’s just kinda casually commenting throughout the game, that’s what he’s doing for everyone. I didn’t ask him or anything.

I also think scum are more likely to have their partners make comments, and hate the idea people think it’s not.

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And Nancy I’m fucking town reading you and have been like all game.

Stop.

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@Ramcius - i am still like one of the highest posters in this game, i have been playing, and i have actively stated what i believe the scum team to be in, so idk what part of “isn’t solving” you are pushing

I feel like you more concerned to be townread than solving this game, which is kinda opposite of what I expect from town you

that's just you expecting incorrectly of me then.

Look at Detective Penguin, that's exactly what people were saying about me at this part in the game before I got misfaded

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He also thinks it was incredibly townie how you reacted towards me going after you, but I’m not gonna say any of that.

He’s just kinda casually commenting throughout the game, that’s what he’s doing for everyone. I didn’t ask him or anything.

I also think scum are more likely to have their partners make comments, and hate the idea people think it’s not.

Based off of last year’s TM game, I’d same it’s NAI.

yeah most scum players aren't good, i agree

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Norwegian's setting a misfade chain on Pine and I up it feels like

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like the case makes sense, but i also dont wanna fade Pine and then have my read on them end up being correct, i would feel super bad

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He also thinks it was incredibly townie how you reacted towards me going after you, but I’m not gonna say any of that.

He’s just kinda casually commenting throughout the game, that’s what he’s doing for everyone. I didn’t ask him or anything.

I also think scum are more likely to have their partners make comments, and hate the idea people think it’s not.

Based off of last year’s TM game, I’d same it’s NAI.

yeah most scum players aren't good, i agree

That’s how I locktowned Eddie because I knew his teammates really well and knew everything he said was true and scum!Krazy tried to convince everyone he was scum for ridiculous reasons and he gave his bad teammates’ reads too.

yeah, i probably could talk to them more, but you know i dont talk to others like that, id rather just talk in the game

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I think Norwegian/Ramcius is my solve.

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zoraster

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~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190),

Mistyx

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BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316),

Iconeum

(207),

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-- HAMMER

Akarin

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~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

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BBMolla

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TheGoldenParadox

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Akarin

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Ramcius(1)

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Dr Easy Bake

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Not Voting (0):

TheGoldenParadox

(6) ~ Nancy Drew 39(286),

Akarin

(49), Ramcius(70),

Iconeum

(223),

Mistyx

(71), NorwegianboyEE(318)

-- HAMMER

NorwegianboyEE(2)

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(420), Pine(56)

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TheGoldenParadox

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Akarin

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~ thestatusquo(90)


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so first one, one on Akarin, one on Zoraster

And then at least one on the TGP wagon, Ramcius, Norwegian, Nancy are unflipped, I think Nancy is town. Ramcius was on Norwegian all day, but moved to help TGP get momentum, and then Norwegian pulled the hammer, even though early in the day they actively brought up that they thought the neighborhood shot (also a bad reason) made TGP town.


I dont think it's Norwegian and Pine, and I dont think it's Pine/Status because of the TGP wagon.

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Nancy, i literally claimed I had the same role as Molla WHEN I claimed

Okay, so the exact same joat actions? I can understand why Akarin/Misty/Shea and also Math ftr are finding this extremely hard to digest.

this makes complete sense to me why they find it hard to digest

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Norwegian's setting a misfade chain on Pine and I up it feels like

You're practically setting up a chain yourself if Pine is scum here with how much you're defending them.

Yeah, sure, but I don't believe he is scum.

I think that you have setup a situation where if Pine flips town or scum, you can use that as a reason to push me.

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status/ramcius could be a team i havent been considering as much, i guess, i did tinfoil it earlier.

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I think Norwegian/Ramcius is my solve.

You claimed Norwee didn’t go anywhere and I thought you were hard tr Ram? And didn’t you also say that scum was in the PRs but might possibly be wrong on that.

Ram questions you a bit and hard townread is gone?

Both also have vt claims.

what do you mean? ive had him in the POE for a while now

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norwee not going anywhere isn't a clear, Pine said he jailed ICO meaning DEB made the kill. I think DEB made the kill even if Pine is scum because he said that

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i specifically think scum is in the Vanilla claims too? I've said all this, I did my setup spec stuff earlier

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it's either 1 vanilla and pine or 2 of the vanilla

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status/ramcius could be a team i havent been considering as much, i guess, i did tinfoil it earlier.

Their interactions between each other don't ping me as scum/scum.
Do you have examples of posts you think makes it likely?

the possibility of other people being town, explain to me what their argument has been about without going back to look at their posts

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i thought they were specifically anti associative at first too, but it kinda looks like scum theatre now that im looking back, maybe im tinfoiling. i also thought you and ramcius tinfoil scum theatre, which is still my #1 choice. Ramcius and you both moving to TGP is what set me off, and i never remembered what your ramcius/norwegian argument was about

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norwee not going anywhere isn't a clear, Pine said he jailed ICO meaning DEB made the kill. I think DEB made the kill even if Pine is scum because he said that

PR claims aren't a clear, so you clearing Pine is bad enough in itself. If i was the third JOAT and the second one with a protective shot i would be EXTREMELY suspicious of a claimed full ungated "Jailkeeper".

this is just surface level thinking

I am specifically paranoid of Pine because of his claim, and have said this multiple times.

JK is literally the role I thought scum would have.


Pine's claim is why he is in my poe

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Pine went from one of my top town reads to my scum POE after the claim, so i think it's just fake af you keep axcting like I've been giving him a pass based on his claim

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i thought they were specifically anti associative at first too, but it kinda looks like scum theatre now that im looking back, maybe im tinfoiling. i also thought you and ramcius tinfoil scum theatre, which is still my #1 choice. Ramcius and you both moving to TGP is what set me off, and i never remembered what your ramcius/norwegian argument was about

Honestly, all i hear is just noise and excuses to not vote Pine.

and all i see is you manipulating the game into a double misfade chain

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yes, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE SCUM

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i dont give a shit what ive agreed to, ive changed my mind like three times on you this game

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the case on Pine is good, i dont think it makes him scum, though

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could he be scum, sure, but he's made so many like...weird choices if he's scum. Could he have pocketed me and had the scum team hide behind me all game? sure, but he's actively done what I expect town who town reads me to have done.

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VOTE: NorwegianBoy

This should have been the fade yesterday.

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norwee not going anywhere isn't a clear, Pine said he jailed ICO meaning DEB made the kill. I think DEB made the kill even if Pine is scum because he said that

Even so, it doesn’t mean he used his strongman on Ico. Fact is scum never no killed, so there’s no basis to verify Pine’s claim. Like hell, Dann had a doc inno on my slot in VG and WITH a no kill to boot and you still claimed a fake guilty on my slot, so I find your conviction on this baffling.

sure, it just means Norwegian didn't make the kill.

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I'm not wrong with my Norwegian push.

Ramcius been saying I haven't been solving the game? I solved the game yesterday with my Norwegian push that he had magically disappear.

It's Norwegian and Ramcius.

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He's just literally setup the game to end with me getting faded tomorrow. He is pushing a scum case on Pine with the idea scumPine/FL are buddies, then saying if Pine is town, then I'm still scum.

Norwegian is actively just trying to get rid of a JK.

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could he be scum, sure, but he's made so many like...weird choices if he's scum. Could he have pocketed me and had the scum team hide behind me all game? sure, but he's actively done what I expect town who town reads me to have done.

Didn’t you claim that you commuted N1? like your conviction here is truly puzzling.

what does this have to do with anything?

If you are assuming I was talking about an actual Hider role, you need to work on your reading comprehension

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i did consider the possibility, Nancy. I went back around and decided to trust my town read on him more.


@Nancy - this is the last game I'm going to play with you. I still like you as a person, but I can't work with you anymore. If you wanna have chats and go on coffee dates or something so we can still talk, that's fine, but I can't play with you anymore.

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like i just hate being town in games with you in it, you shut down all momentum i have and misread everything i say

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go for it. all the more reason for me saying that

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you are wrong, and that's all i can say. if you think i ever make this kind of post right now as scum, which ensures my death this game, idk what to tell ya

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why's this different from when you get upset when I push you?

I think i should be damn obviously bleeding town to you, and you start agreeing with my arch nemesis Norwegian?

Yeah, no. I'm not wrong here. Norwegian is 100% always scum this game.

And if you're gonna pick me over him when I've made far better cases on him all game for some stupid reasons, then what's the point of me even trying.

You derail all momentum I have.

You cry when I push you.

I can't play with you. You do the same things to me that i do to you that upsets you, and don't realize you're being hypocritical with it.

Like, why can't you just trust my reads for once? FOR ONCE! You always have to go against me, when you know I'm right a good amount of the time.

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I don't see the point in arguing with FL anymore so i will be mostly arguing with my townreads as i believe there is not much constructive to be gained from future interactions with scum.

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FL is not even considering the possibility that Pine might be scum.

this post is just factually incorrect, and i cant play like this.

i actively spent the last day looking into Pine, one of my strongest town reads all game, and then I turned back AFTER wards.

I have actively said I think he could be scum, but I do not think he is. I am trusting my town read.

Wish you'd do the same, but you won't.

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I think you're the cause of the loss of this game.

You've been protecting Norwegian all game, and you're just wrong, Nancy.

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I just wanted to say that being called "my arch-nemesis" by Flavour gave me a bit tingly feelings.

yeah, i think you did well this game, i even thought you were strong town for some of the game.

I think you might win it still, but i will end up with the correct solve at least

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why's this different from when you get upset when I push you?

I think i should be damn obviously bleeding town to you, and you start agreeing with my arch nemesis Norwegian?

Yeah, no. I'm not wrong here. Norwegian is 100% always scum this game.

And if you're gonna pick me over him when I've made far better cases on him all game for some stupid reasons, then what's the point of me even trying.

You derail all momentum I have.

You cry when I push you.

I can't play with you. You do the same things to me that i do to you that upsets you, and don't realize you're being hypocritical with it.

Like, why can't you just trust my reads for once? FOR ONCE! You always have to go against me, when you know I'm right a good amount of the time.

Everyone was saying your claim didn’t make sense and who hard defended you - and going against my teammates’ reads to do that? Did you guess me? So yeah, you saying you won’t play with me anymore is beyond shitty of you, since I was literally the only one who defended you for that,

yeah, and that should prove i am town to you

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nancy, you KNOW I'm town, you fucking KNOW it. I can literally feel that you know I am town, yet you don't care about any of my reads. You derail every push I make in every game I ever play with you.

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I think you're the cause of the loss of this game.

You've been protecting Norwegian all game, and you're just wrong, Nancy.

How? Had TGP flipped red, I’d 100% be voting him now.

HIM AND RAMCIUS HELPED THAT FADE GO THROUGH wtf

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@FL

Do you think DEB interactions make Norwee look any better or worse?

No need to respond to this right now if you need time to think about it, just eventually please?

I specifically think that DEB got bussed by his teammates at one point.

Scum does not town read DEB if they are his partner. And Norwegian went back and forth voting DEB, which I think bussing DEB is always going to be on the minds of his partners, even if they dont actually want to go through with it, i can see them saying it, voting there, then moving away, which is exactly what Norwegian did on Day 2.

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It makes me upset when you see me as town Nancy, then try to derail anything I do.

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I dont believe I ever voted DEB

i could be wrong

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oh, that was Day 1. I was just poking him so he'd get in the game.

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he came like right after i voted too, so i just moved on, it was almost rvs'y for me

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i was more talking deeper into the game, akarin

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It was actually really weird how little heat DEB got compared to me, Zor, TGP, hell even Pine.

well, he was scum and his partner was running the game

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I think you're the cause of the loss of this game.

You've been protecting Norwegian all game, and you're just wrong, Nancy.

How? Had TGP flipped red, I’d 100% be voting him now.

HIM AND RAMCIUS HELPED THAT FADE GO THROUGH wtf

Math thought TGP’s last post looked really scummy. Do I wish Norwee had waited for my input before hammering? Sure? But you being mean to me isn’t going to get me to tr you or anyone else for that matter - like ever. Because if you flip scum with me defending you here - going completely against my teammates’ reads after you have been this horrible to me - I honestly couldn’t deal with that.

idc, we can lose this game together then

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in before Norwegian/Flavor scum team

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I know everyone's character, this is a very shounen heavy game and I watch shounen

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and volpe's a surface level player who thinks I'd have association tells like that with a scum partner

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and you still end up wrong

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VOTE: Flavor

I quit

y'all fucking hopeless and deserve to lose

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idc nancy

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im fucking done

fade me, and when i flip green, you idiots can lose from misfading pine

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Norwegian is clearly fucking scum here but i already knew i was that much of a superior player, so it really shouldnt surprise me at all

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Norwegian is clearly fucking scum here but i already knew i was that much of a superior player, so it really shouldnt surprise me at all

You're clearly not the superior player if you self-vote.

guess you're just too surface level to comprehend it then

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as long as i solve the game, i count it as a victory for me now.

i stopped having faith in towns a long time ago, and yet my optimism still hurts me everytime

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scum clearly want a Pine fade over me too

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a mistake I’m never fucking making ever again

because there won't be a chance

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GOOD!!!

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yeah i give absolutely no fucks about this game

im a winner no matter what

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i solved the game. townies shit the bed

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Honestly i'd have more respect for you if you're scum. If you're town then this was just really bad playing from you.

disagree.

you just assume i care

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Is part of the fun for you to see how many people you can get annoyed enough that they rage vote?

yup

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GOOD!!!

Like of all of the players in this game, you take your frustration our on the one person who went on a limb to defend you, so you tell me how thar isn’t beyond shitty of you?

yup

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my reads are just on a higher level

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im not of the type that cares what others think about me, ill be the bad guy

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like scum know how obviously town i am, they're just preying on the naivety of Akarin and Nancy

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@Akarin - if it wasn't for me, you'd be dead yesterday instead of TGP.

Your vig shot was able to happen because I figured out you were a PR, and protected you because I thought you were a misfade.

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VOTE: Norwegian

Now please for the love of god kill obvious fucking scum Norwegian

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i protected her in thread-- i repeat, reading comprehension.

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Is part of the fun for you to see how many people you can get annoyed enough that they rage vote?

I’m not “rage” voting, I’m genuinely hurt and I honestly do think it’s really shitty of him to not want to play with the one person who has hard defended him - against my teammates’ (Math and Oka)’s reads and arguing with the rest of the playerlist. Like how do I even fucking deserve that from him after all that?

This is a pretty petulant position.

These kind of emotion-driven choices are a huge part of what’s holding back your otherwise strong potential

You forget the part about my going against my teammates’ reads and the rest of the playerlist, so yeah I don’t want to be the idiot who defends him if he flips scum here.

nah, youre just gonna be the idiot that flipped a correct read incorrectly and loses the game because of it

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@Akarin - if it wasn't for me, you'd be dead yesterday instead of TGP.

Your vig shot was able to happen because I figured out you were a PR, and protected you because I thought you were a misfade.

And I'm grateful for that, but it's not hugely relevant to my read on you, other than to the extend I think you would or wouldn't do that as scum.

I'm not going to react to you emotionally here, in either direction.

Okay, your read on me is wrong, and it makes complete sense to me that you have an incorrect read at this point in this game based on the activity levels, so hopefully you come around to the correct read eventually

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Like I don't feel like it's so much scum!TSQ/scum!Ram or whatever manipulating me into voting FL, I feel like it's FL manipulating me into voting FL.

yes, scum are letting me self destruct, this was obvious for a while

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Pine also actively stops me from blowing up, which is inherently townie.

if we were scum together, he'd say it in the PT

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cuz you cant debunk em all, cuz some of em are hits.

some are misses, sure, but thats cool too

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FL's crew has been proven wrong, wrong and wrong yet again. And i haven't even gotten a chance to prove i'm right by having Pine eliminated when that's the elimination i wanted the hardest yesterday. Like i said, i will fight with absolutely all of my power for Pine today and if he's town then fuck it. This game can go to the dogs.

idk who FL crew is, but we've gotten proven wrong zero times

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Shirou is politely asking if we could just flip another one of their D1 bottom reads rather than spend one or two weeks overthinking "teams". DEB already flipped scum and they are equally confident that at the very least there's one scum in Pine/FL and delaying this is pro-scum.

Shirou/Nibbui/Volpe14/Bunno whatever you want to call them replaced into my team and caught up to this game and wanted me to share their reads:

Ico is very likely town

Nancy is likely town

TGP is probably town?

Status is above null but I don't think he can't fake his ISO so far

BBMolla is a tid bit above null

Zoraster is slightly above null for the Ceph posting

Mystix is kinda neutral to me (good and bad)

Ramcius confuses me at the moment

Akarin is a bit worse than null

Dr Easy Bake is unimpressive but it's expected

Flavor is unimpressive
Pine is unimpressive

these are not the day 1 bottom reads.

These are your team's reads.

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Norwegian made sure TGP went through.

Norwegian made sure Zoraster went through.

They are literally just scum here

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Akarin, name the cases that you think are weak

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FL, assuming you're town you're gonna doctor me tonight, right?

i thought i was going to go Mistyx.

Yeah, ill go on either one of you 2.

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God i wish Iconeum was here so bad.

fake affffffffffffff

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ico was going to push you today, and you know it

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i guess ico wasnt as locked into pushing norwee if TGP was town as i thought, i swear i remember seeing that somewhere, but couldnt find

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i didnt look for that long, just a quick skim of where i thought it was, at the end of the day, but there wasn't anything there, i was just wrong

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FL literally killed the guy that townreads me and is trying to explain their death is scum indicative for me.
If he is town here then his level of delusion is quite insane. But yeah, he's scum.

I actively took this back, don’t try and act like i was using that as a case

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I have actively given my reasons for you to be scum.

I also have given my reasons for town reading other slots.

You are not my only scum read, i have actively stated my entire POE.

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I am trying to force through and elimination, I have been for days now, and when the smoke clears everyone will realize that I was right, like I always am

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I have already addressed it Nancy.

Pine went from one of my lock towns to in my POE.

Norwegian is scum, so I see that this is Norwegian setting up Pine then Me tomorrow.

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And while I think it’s a scummy claim, i have trusted Pine throughout this game, and he’s been the only other one pushing actual obv scum Norwegian besides Ramcius.

I am not wrong here, Nancy.

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Like is there paranoia in my push? Yes.

I don’t want to be the one defending Pine scum if he is scum, but I have to trust my read on him here. I’ve flipped in this situation just to lead to a misfade, and i have been confident in my Norwegian scum read all day long.

I can’t see scum being the person Norwegian is pushing, and that might have more to do with it than anything for me

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I was seeing Norwegian as scum before that Nancy.

I’m phone posting today, I’ll be home tonight when I can piece together a case, but you guys don’t seem to be able to use the things i use to find scum.

@Nancy - you of all people should know here I absolutely do not use setup spec to solve games like that, so idk why you keep asking me setup stuff. That just doesn’t phase me in games like it phases most people.

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How does setting up FL work exactly? I mean if we assume FL thinks Pine is town. How will Pine flipping town "set him up" tommorow?
The only way i can set FL up for elimination tommorow is if Pine does in fact flip scum. And even then, it's not exactly setting up unless Pine is my teammate and it was the plan to buss him and then blame FL tommorow. Which i doubt he believes is likely for even a second with how hard he's been defending Pine and attacking me.

No, if Pine flips town, you’re just gonna misfade me tomorrow.

You’ve literally set me up no matter what Pine flips here, don’t start playing dumb here

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I don’t see why every role has to be 1-shot.

Misty isn’t.

I just think that’s a really naive take

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Norwegian misreps constantly too.

I have actively explained my Norwegian pushes me no matter what Pine flips tomorrow, which Norwegian commented on.

I actively took back the thing about the Ico kill, and he still decided to push that as a bad reason when I literally stated myself that I was retracting it.

That’s just what Norwegian has been doing all game to me.

Like fact of the matter is you guys are wrong, I am right.

Sucks to hear, but it’s true.

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No, if Pine flips town, you’re just gonna misfade me tomorrow.

And why is that? I've never given any indication that i would vote you if Pine flips town. My entire reasoning so far has been based on Pine being scum that fake claimed and finding you suspicious because of the way you've been defending the slot i read as scum.

Dude, we’ve already been through this shit.

I have absolutely no interest in talking with scum here

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He just actively jumps on literally anything I say, but then cries when I discredit him or shade him.

He pushed through a town PR misfade, then hammered the PR he said he 100% town read because of the claim.


Like sorry, Nancy, you are wrong

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I don’t see why every role has to be 1-shot.

Misty isn’t.

I just think that’s a really naive take

JJH is experienced in the game and i highly doubt it's an naive take coming from him.
I'd assume you would respect him too if you were actually town and consider why a Pine elimination is ultimately superior to pushing me when there is nothing i've done that's explicitly scummy as compared to Pine that's literally been caught in a lie.

Jjh being experienced means literally nothing coming from a scum slot.

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I think keeping Pine alive so we can use a double protect is infinitely better.

Even if he is scum, he actively forces himself into not killing one of the conf townies.

Fading Norwegian is literally the best fade because 1) it will flip scum. 2) we get the protect.

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Nah, I think if he’s town, that’s his exact role and you’re just being naive.

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Jjh is just a scum slot, Nancy.

You like actively miss that type of stuff constantly

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Nobody listens to me all game, but they follow the person actively pushing through all the misfades.

All the telltale signs of me being absolutely correct in my POE is once again there.

But what do I know

I just solve every game i play, so

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Ah, that’s right on the Mistyx thing

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I'm actually with FL in that I don't think the ungated thing is as much of a smoking gun as it's being made out to be.

I'm also getting closer to just voting Pine for everyone's sanity, at some point keeping enthusiasm is worth more than giving a bit more info for if Misty dies and needs to think about a vig shot.

I find FL's claim more unbelievable, and I can totally imagine this kind of refuge in audacity being a scum idea.

Yeah, i get it.

But this mindset is gonna lose us the game.

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Like there’s absolutely no way I don’t get misfaded tomorrow here.

Norwegian is obvious as fuck scum here, and people just too surface level/naive to understand why, I guess

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Like, it makes sense, I actively see Nancy, Mistyx, and Akarin as naive, so i understand why you guys are pushing the way you are, you guys are just walled. There’s a reason you 3 have been left alive all game, not bad players, just naive

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Norwegian-Ramcius i already made my case on earlier

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Norwegian-Status i brought up when Status was pushing Akarin when Norwegian and I were 1v1ing.

@Akarin - that’s exactly what I’m talking about. The gamestate has been setup so I am the misfade tomorrow.

That’s why I’m pushing the way i am because they actively set that situation up

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I think keeping Pine alive so we can use a double protect is infinitely better.

Even if he is scum, he actively forces himself into not killing one of the conf townies.

Fading Norwegian is literally the best fade because 1) it will flip scum. 2) we get the protect.

My gut says Shea, Nancy. There's a grownup on the scumteam, and I've been getting Townier vibes from Ramcius. I'm not certain, though.

Yeah also he hard opposed Akarin as a wagon, so he definitely gets townpoints for that. Can’t you jk Akarin and FL doc Misty? I’m just a useless vt so I don’t mind being the NK.

I could, but that's not what I'm going to do.

He clearly says that he isn’t interested in doing a “double protect”.

Yeah, because you guys are pushing him. I’d say it too.

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Ramcius was pushing Norwegian all day Day 2, but switched to help TGP gain momentum, and they ended up voting together.

Ramcius pushing Norwegian gives the sense of Norwegian being in danger today, which he is actively not because scumRamcius can just move if things get dicey.

That’s exactly what happened yesterday.

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Norwegian-Ramcius i already made my case on earlier

Ramcius is probably the least believable partner you could have found for me.

Least believable does not mean not most likely.


Also, look at this discredit. There’s only 2 options for scum with Norwegian and I actively said both of them.

Akarin/Nancy just naive

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Yes, but you’re naive and don’t use good reasons to push people.

Like there’s a reason I’m right when i push people you town read, Nancy.

Scum actively go out of their way to make you happy so you town read them

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So naive, Nancy oh my god

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Lose this fucking game.

And i will use this game as forever a reason that proves i am just far superior to everyone

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Like it’s done.

I’m just better.

Do what you will with this game, I’ve proved it to myself, i absolutely do not care anymore.

I am the greatest


And this fuck Norwegian is acting like Norwegian/Status isn’t my main thing I’ve been.

I actively said Norwegian/Ramcius and Norwegian/Status


THIS IS FUCKING WHY I AM FUCKING PISSED WITH THIS GAME BECAUSE FUCKING NAIVE PEOPLE CANT SEE FUCKING ANYTHING

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I don’t give a fuck, Norwegian.

Don’t talk to me again this game.

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I am seriously so fucking done with the utter stupidity and surface level thinkers on this site

Let get the fuck better at the game

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I don’t see how a role that activates on death isn’t explicitly a 1-shot

but

Nah, yeah, i agree with you, i just didn’t see it that way at first

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@Pine - Status pushing Akarin when Morwegian and I were feuding Day 2 is the main reason I think Status/Norwegian are scum. It felt like he was trying to move the pressure off of Norwegian there.

That’s why the Norwegian vote had to go there to make it go through

Ramcius could have been bussing Norwegian in place of Status being scum, because they also ended up voting together.

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For what it’s worth, Asta from Black Clover’s ability is in a world where Magic is everything, he is the only one without it, but because of it he’s able to wield Anti-Magic Sword which nullifies all Magic it interacts with, so the jailkeeper makes sense flavor wise

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Did someone put out a memo in the scum PT that insulting me is a good way to manipulate me or something?

No, i don’t see why they would post that, neither scum has been insulting you at all this game.

Actually, Status was pushing you pretty hard, so maybe they did insult you

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stop playing like butthurt kids who want a seat at the grownups table and are going to throw a fit until you get it. Get a grip, look at evidence, and rationally question things instead of letting your whims drive you.

Like I don't even get where the heck this is coming from other than it seems to be out of FL's recent playbook.

You guys are like actively about to lose the game for town, how should we be acting right now?

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Like take out my attitude and the setup spec, and look at actual agenda here, Akarin.

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You guys are like actively about to lose the game for town, how should we be acting right now?

The play from both of you has made me feel like if it was 50-50 I'd feel super gross letting you win, so...

it's not actual 50-50, it's only 50-50 because of the way I've acted, which means it's more like 75-25.

I was pushing you instead of Zoraster Day 1, and I hammered when DEB was already going to hammer, Norwegian pushed through the zoraster.

I actively defended you yesterday when Status was trying to push you when Norwegian and I were fighting.

I have actively played in a way where if I was scum, it makes zero sense to play at all any of the way I have this game.

There's just many reasons you guys just are actively avoiding.

Sure, one reason doesnt make someone scum, but yes, the actions all together DO make someone scum, and Norwegian has been discreditng, and shading, and actively pushing me to work me up all game.

He has actively been pushing a scum agenda, IE he set this day up saying Pine's the best fade, then set it up saying no matter what Pine flips, it indicates me as scum, which is just trash because I know I am town.

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like sorry, take out setup spec, you guys have absolute nothing why I'm scum, it's just a personality read because people don't know how to separate it.

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This is just a straight up anti scum agenda if i had been playing scum, as Pine said a long ass time ago.

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if i were scum here, id have had a much larger impact on the gamestate. i havent been able to get momentum all game.

DEB and I were scum together last year in Team Mafia, if him and I were scum here, I'd have been setup far better than i am now. Mistyx/Nancy, you already know that DEB and I would have pulled some type of gambit if we were scum together.

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^ just in case someone tries to go "you lost last year, though"

we were on the way to a perfect scum victory before I slipped, so

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okay

fl do you have a townread on pine for reasons outside of you two having the same solve?

if so, could you walk me through it?

yes, i was town reading him since day 1, us having the same solve had nothing to do with the read

the way he defended me day 1 doesn't come from scum, he gained nothing from defending me there, as i went on, i thought he could pocket, and the claim he made did sound scummy, but he basically softed to me a long time ago. I knew Pine was a PR yesterday. I knew Akarin as a PR yesterday, as I called it out why I think Status could have been pushing her

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im sorry, i just feel a lot of scum energy coming from Norwegian guys, and that also helps my Pine town read.

His Norwegian case, or Dannfloor's really, is far superior to mine, im not the case maker, i go off feeling people's auras and actions

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this is a Thrill On A No Kill esque setup. I wouldn't be surprised if Penguin actively decided to play with the idea of making it seem similar as a red herring to last year's game

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Like why do i claim Molla's role as scum. Why don't I just claim JOAT with different actions

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you guys are just wrong, like Norwegian is scum.

Honestly, i dont even care about winning at this point, Im ready for the game to end so all you know that i was right from the beginning

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worth noting that ico had norwee

this is not true.

it was at one point, but Ico specifically stated if TGP were to flip town, it would change their read on them, and ill find it in a sec.

Ico also specifically stated they thught I was most likely town

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Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

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@Nancy scum is 100% in this

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there's a potential world where scum!norwee has me pocketed, and scum!TGP hooded me and are using me to kill off FL

but then I would expect scum!TGP to be more active towards that in the hood, which isn't the case

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im probably wrong again on the Ico norwee thing.

I swear i saw it somewhere

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Sometimes it just be like that

like maybe it doesn't make sense Norwegian is scum to some people. He is.

what should i be doing differently to show people that Norwegian is scum here? The cases are already out there.

Dannfloor's case is mighty fire, if i do say so myself

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Paraphrased from Dannflor:

Dear Mini Theme,

I hadn't really been following, but when Pine started floundering I dived in. I now have strong opinions.

First, Nancy and Flavor - you are both Town, and the petulant TvT you're doing is trashing this game. Knock it off.

Nancy is Town. First, this is precisely her Town meta. That whole freaking out over being misread thing is classic her, and my research shows she sucks at faking it as scum. Further, she doesn't even

try

as scum, she's way more forgiving. That's not what's happening here. her scumgame is far more self-aware, and her blatant

lack

of self-awareness here is kind of a dead giveaway. (Editor's note: Creature shed the "Transparent" title, maybe it should go to Nancy for a while.) The only time I've ever misread Nancy was in our first game together, and at this point she's easy. I had some paranoia, but I checked and checked twice. She doesn't pull this a scum. The spats with FL reinforce this.

Flavor Leaf is also Town, incidentally. He mentioned earlier that DEB's buddies weren't likely to TR his absence and stone-throwing. DEB never remains unflipped in this game, and FL knows it. @FL you know who was hard TRing him right from the start? Nancy. As a scumbuddy, Nancy busses DEB here. And yeah, there's a WIFOM argument to be made here, but that's bunk. She can maybe do some WIFOMing stuff, but she's not up to that level yet.

Back to FL. Along with the hard Towntell Pine found earlier for him, his consistent approach to the game has been to solve and sort. Yeah, he's a prick. Yeah, he's a bit of an ass. But that fits with his aggressive means of sifting the game. But he's not quite this

reckless

as scum, and when he is it's far more calculating. Town!FL here has few illusions about survival, he's there to get in, solve, and pass it off to the grownups in the room to prosecute. It's what he does. Scum!FL has no motive to do a lot of the things he's done, provoking the people he has. There's just no

benefit

to it. He's not afraid to do so if there's gain, but there isn't here. He's just being a dick. But he's OUR dick.

Dann had a few minor observations about other players (including calling Shea out as a deepwolf long before I was convinced of it), but his thoughts focused most strongly on the Nancy vs FL issue and Norwegian. To continue.

HOW IS NORWEGIAN STILL ALIVE? He's so fucking scummy I'm starting to think he's intentionally trying to invoke the "too scummy to be scum" trope to avoid suspicion. He's been intentionally manipulating the game from the very start, pushing Town players into fighting with one another, then stepping back to stoke the carnage. Absolutely nothing he's done this game has been geared towards solving, it's all been tearing people down and tilting them at one another. "Frankly, it's gross and manipulative."

(Editor's note: That last sentence in quotes is a direct quote, everything else is heavily reworded to comply with the rules. Mods, if you want to whack me for five words, that's your prerogative.)

It's a long and abusive slog, but reread FL vs Norwegian in paired ISO. Think about what Norwegian's posts are doing. He's

goading

FL. I had Pine quote two posts from him earlier in the game, and they

remain

the scumfuckiest thing in the game. Here they are again:

titus says that Norwee and FL should never be voted unless Akarin flips town

i'm inclined to agree

I don't think this is a super bad take though, even if anyone dislikes VCA by principle.
If Akarin is town then it proves both me and FL are most likely in a SvT, and if Akarin is scum then maybe this just is a TvT and scum are in the inactive fucks or cheering our TvT on.

I’m not changing my vote until either me/FL is flipped or FL admits he is wrong on me.
I’m not going to become the elimination in ElO because of FL’s garbage play.
If FL agrees on voting someone else like Akarin then i’ll consider voting there as well. Otherwise, no.

Sweet jebas these are scummy posts

Credit @Dannflor

Everything about Norwegian's ISO is designed to engineer a scenario which is most beneficial to himself personally, while smearing others, particularly threats, with mud. He's trying to paint himself as the logical and Towny one, where he's anything but. He breathes toxicity and and tars up the game with nonsense, dragging the biggest threats into the quicksand of AtE and strawman attacks. Let's look at 3781 for a sec, where he's setting up this exact scenario, transparently trying to push an agenda rather than a solve. He's not considering other possibilities. He's stoking others' paranoia to keep the Town off balance until it drives home a lazy elimination. That's how we got a Zor elim, it's how we got a TGP elim. And all the while, he sits back and keeps poking. But again in 3781...LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING - he's demonstrating uncanny certainty and an impossible degree of confidence for a Town player. No Town player on D3 has the game solved this firmly. He has

presumptions

of Town on all of {misty, ND, shea, Akarin, Ramcius} that are so rock solid he's not trying to question them. He's only framing his arguments to this crowd.

TL;DR - Norwegian's game has been one of manipulation and provocation. He goads people into doing his dirty work for him, steeps the game in toxicity, and has crafted a narrative where he's the Town component of not one but two TvS pairs, in order to discard all outward suspicion of others and buddy up to them.

Whew, that was lengthy.

honestly, people just ignored this legitimate case on Norwegian.

I feel like people just want Pine and Myself to be scum.

Why can't we just fade Norwegian first here, and then we actively have a Jailkeep and a Doctor.

Norwegian has been pushing all the PR's this game, and people are calling him town for it

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See, thing is, if commute protects from strongman, we left with only 2 doc shots, so whole setup spec against you falls apart

commute wouldn't die from strong man shot. this game looks to be like there's the potential for 3 blocks a night, which means that the jailkeeper can't get a hard guilty on scum blocking a kill because it could be one of the joat commutes or the joat doc shots. the strong man lets scum outplay around this once they have setup knowledge, but can hurt them if they use too easily.

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also note Norwegian trying to flip momentum back

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and status is trying to help Norwegian right now.

It's Status and Norwegian.

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status has been easing pressure off of Norwegian all game

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they did it by pushing Akarin on Day 2

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Norwee I still want your take on Ram

Town until both scum not being in Pine/FL is disproven.

There is no point where this will be proven without game ending if Pine is town here...

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Norwee I still want your take on Ram

Town until both scum not being in Pine/FL is disproven.

In other words, I'll become scum, when Pine flips green

He’s blatantly scum here and he’s saying we’re saying the same things over and over when all he’s saying is we’re whining and crying, but we’ve actively made cases.

Pine made a DAMN good case by way of Dannfloor.

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im sorry, i just feel a lot of scum energy coming from Norwegian guys, and that also helps my Pine town read.

His Norwegian case, or Dannfloor's really, is far superior to mine, im not the case maker, i go off feeling people's auras and actions

Speaking of, when is he planning to post that?

He already did, and i required it twice

Why are you not reading the game?

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Nancy Misty are partly to blame for the toxicity in this game right now because they are enabling FL and Pine’s behaviour by not voting.

Are you fucking kidding me with this?

NANCY FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING NORWEGIAN IS JUST SCUM

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FL, Dann also asked you to stop antagonizing Nancy. I'm trying to respect that request, please do the same.

Haven’t in days, we’ve had issues site wide recently that have been slightly healed and in the works of being mended

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Wasn’t obvious to me, I’m caught up

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Scum don’t come after you ever in this game, Nancy

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I don’t really see Misty needing to be faded here.

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Nancy - Jingle wants me to tell you the Shea scumread is based on PoE and setup analysis. Further, his behavior over time matches the assessment, the way he ducks in and out, managing the game to his benefit

He really didn’t have much to do with the TGP flip though.

Yeah, you pushed it hard, though. Ramcius/Norwegian has scum in it because of that wagon

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DGB says that only way to read Norwee is from his voting pattern and it's to early for that,

i SPECIFICALLY used VCA to explain my initial suspicion on Norwegian. I've literally been pushing wagonomics reasonings over everything

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My name is Flavor

I am not scum

I will be misfaded

And be a bum

I am apathy

Yes i am

Please just end this

So i can say bam! I was right.

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I am not weakest by VCA. Sorry, if I were scum, that’s never the case.

Ask Mathblade about how I abused VCA to hard pocket Titus

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My VCA is dangerous, but I think playing a Sociological game > Psychological

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This game’s a scum victory.

Congrats

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You/Status

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I had a tinfoil paranoia of Ram/Status a little while ago, though, but i still think they win too

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@Flavour
And why do you think the game is lost? If Pine flips town i’m basically the elimination right away.

I disagree, im the elimination still

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This just sucks because I know the exact team is Norwegian/Status besides that small section of my heart tinfoiling a Ramcius/Status

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What if we get other people to agree on voting us if Pine is town?

that's just not a town thing to do.

I do not think Pine is scum here. Setup spec all you guys want, but if I were scum here knowing Pine was town, that would mean I'd know his JK is true anyways, and scum cant leave a Town JK that isn't being leashed alive here

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And that's why I believe Norwegian is pushing Pine relentlessly here, and Status is trying to help without tying himself to Norwegian.

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What if we get other people to agree on voting us if Pine is town?

that's just not a town thing to do.

I do not think Pine is scum here. Setup spec all you guys want, but if I were scum here knowing Pine was town, that would mean I'd know his JK is true anyways, and scum cant leave a Town JK that isn't being leashed alive here

that seems like a good argument towards pine being scum???

i think Norwegian is scum doing everything in his power to get TownPine JK here faded.

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I don't think he was pocketing me here. Yes, I see why it looks that way, but I feel like Pine just saw I was town. I truly think he saw the way the game was playing towards me, and he actively saw I was town.

I was paranoid here and there, sure, but it's the exact same feeling I had with Krazy in TENET, and we were both town.

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And if Pine is town i will gladly accept the fade.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TOWN SAYS

tomorrow would be endgame if Norwegian was town here

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Norwegian is actively giving his life so that his partner can win the game.

Norwegian/Ramcius or Norwegian/Status, i lean the ladder

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You better be happy JJ is buddies with you because i would never even consider trying to reason with you otherwise.

This is scummy too, I don't think anybody would ever consider Jjh and I as buddies

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if hard guiltied him when we were scum together, and we've been in a good amount of heated arguments in games

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And if Pine is town i will gladly accept the fade.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TOWN SAYS

tomorrow would be endgame if Norwegian was town here

PINE ISN’T FUCKING TOWN YOU MORON

Disagree, he has no reason to protect me early game, I think the Dannfloor case never comes from Dann in a scum perspective, the JK is the most dangerous role to Pine right now, he hasn't been pushing through any of the misfades.

You have actively given momentum to both misfades.

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This is just what Norwegian has been doing ALL game.

He actively heats it up, then I get worked up, then he actively puts all the blame on me

literally all game

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i think fl has a good point in that pine is a mechanically incorrect kill today

fl, why do you have norwee/ram ruled out but not status/ram?

I have said recently I've been thinking about status/ram

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damn, i literally made that case earlier when I switched on Pine. That's what got Pine in my POE initially actually

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i think fl has a good point in that pine is a mechanically incorrect kill today

fl, why do you have norwee/ram ruled out but not status/ram?

I have said recently I've been thinking about status/ram

i know

but why are you thinking about that but not about norwee/ram

or am i misremembering

i think i brought up Norwee/Ram last page.

I was glossing over things in my Norwegi tunnel, i admit


Norwegian/Ram
Norwegian/Status
Status/Ram

if im being pocketed by Pine

Pine/Ram
Pine/Status

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you guys are really just making the mistake in basing this game off of last game and using it like it's law

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setupspec is below other forms of scum hunting for a reason, that's just all mech stuff. Mech is the lazy way to play Mafia unless you're all in on mech. If you are excellent at mech, and use that supplementally, then yes, but I'd even say I'm the strongest at mech in this game

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Per Jingle: the idea that “Jingle should know better” than an ungated claim is a Towncase on us, btw. There is no world where we pull last in a mass claim and then decide to push an awkward fakeclaim.

I mean seriously? Jingle is one of the premier mods and setup specs on the site, and I’m one of the top scum players. When do we EVER botch a fakeclaim?

It’s

The

Truth

It’s actually quite absurd to think that any of our fake claims would ever be the most likely to be scum as actual scum