I forgot about this. Do you have any thoughts on it?In post 2719, Firebringer wrote:Yeah one of T3 and Prism is definitely scum hereIn post 2072, camelCasedSnivy wrote: speaking of which, {jjh927, std, andres, imaginality} are in my poe, i could compromise on {T3, Prism} but i dont think we'll get there
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jjh, the triple ISO has swooped down like an angel. The conversations with Titus are like being stuck in an infinite townpoint loop in a pinball machine.-
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Shirou was scumreading T3 at the end of day and was the one who started the T3 wagon to begin with. You had some heat on the Fire slot, but most of it was from T3 and Shirou. Obviously Fire doesn't have to worry about those if he's scum with T3 and kills Shirou.In post 4525, gob wrote: I don't really think T3 leaves over Fire. Fire was getting more heat at EoD than T3. T3 has been not scumread a lot throughout the game. I wasnt scumreading them, you werent scumreading them, I don't think Shirou was (iirc wasnt T3 SRing Shirou at one point?).
T3 hammered Andres after Firebringer. If T3 was partners with Fire, then T3 would have incentive to end the day at that time since Fire was getting heat. I am not really sure about their interactions at EoD. You'll have to show me those. I may be imagining things but I feel like Fire and JJH had weird interactions.
With all that said, JJH was off wagon. I find it more likely that the mafia is off wagon. Since if imaginality is town, which it is looking like they are, then it was a TvT wagon scenario and the mafia were probably hedging their bets between the two. I don't really know why T3 would implicate himself so heavily by voting right after Fire.
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I've read so much that I've truly lost my mind. That 1200 posts was a journey. I went from jjh scum to jjh town to back again.-
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I've worked myself into a knot and I can't untie it when I'm tired unfortunately.
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I'm bad at going to bed.In post 2779, T3 wrote:
didn't we literally say that scum bussing is a good strategy earlierIn post 2767, Save The Dragons wrote: i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to thatIf T3 is scum these posts being 30 seconds apart is so funny
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I've had fun today. I've really tried my best, and I'm annoyed that it still isn't enough and that every answer feels wrong, but it's fun to hit my limits.
This game is so far out past jjh's previous scumgames that it's crazy. I think it's slightly out of T3's, but not by much. I still think Dragons sandbags but he's sold me. I'm pretty sold on imaginality through the voting records.
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My voting preference right now would be jjh -> imaginality -> T3 -> Dragons. I'll be back to talk after 1 or 2ish EST.-
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T3 was actually the first mover on a Ydrasse townread. He did a big meta wall.In post 4539, jjh927 wrote: Oops I posted in your quote
Oh well
But yeah
In post 4341, T3 wrote:
Yeah, probably not. Maybe I'd wait to see what Prism does too.In post 4339, imaginality wrote: scum T3 probably doesn't want to townread Ydrasse today.-
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I wasn't too fazed by that one, though the "it's out of my hands" later was strange to me. I also wondered if he knew it was E-1 before the VC and intentionally didn't point out the clears.In post 4540, imaginality wrote: Interested to hear other's thoughts on jjh's response to the votecount on page 177.
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These two VCs haunted me all night.-
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I mean help us out here. What silver bullet are we missing about your alignment? I had several in mind for me that I was ready to point to if the time came.
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You speculated earlier that the issue was that you weren't skeptical enough of me. While I did expect some initially, that wasn't the sticking point. It got worse as time went on because it seemed to me like you were intentionally subverting my expectations with the aim that I'd townread that in and of itself.-
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While I get that the game is still hard even with knowledge of your alignment, the fact remains that you are in the best position to weigh the 3 alternatives.
There are points in favor of each, but the application seems to me inconsistent. For example, you think that Dragons should be cleared because Dragons should have left over Fire. This same reasoning didn't extend to imaginality, though. The only way I can find to square it is that you thought a Dragons leave would lead you, and just you, to tunnel gob.
T3 has the bad habit of consistently bussing his partners, which removes a lot of the clearing force of his own play. However, Fire's vote remains. I don't put stock in Fire's direct statement "I want to eliminate T3", but it's interesting to me that Fire instantly pulled the quote from camel to assert that one of myself and T3 had to be scum: Fire surely knew that pushing me would have absolute hell to pay.
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My question here, especially about the unequal application, is: Why does Firebringer leave over imaginality except to troll the town?
I think Fire/T3 is a closer question for who leaves even though Fire staying is better. In contrast, I think having Fire leave over imaginality has no motivation except to troll us, even though that's not totally out of character.-
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Fair enough, and my preference has shifted back to accommodate the same. jjh->T3->imaginality->Dragons.
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I feel surprisingly well-rested, but I do have a meeting with a friend for the next hour or two, so you'll get true zero from me for a bit.
I'd really like to hear from Ydrasse (MOM?????) and Dragons, but we'll see if Dragons even shows up again before deadline.-
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Sorry, do you mind clarifying what T3 points you found compelling? I'm not even sure if it's the +town or +scum ones.In post 4561, Ydrasse wrote: i guess i’ve gotten the sense that jjh was like as i said trying to find an answer that doesn’t exist in lieu of him as wolf but i’m compelled by the t3 points-
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Gun to my head right now I'd go T3 but rough seas. Be back in 2 hours.-
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We're back. I wonder if we will get another Dragons post before day end.-
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For reference I'm mostly waiting on responses to the recent questions. If people are just sitting around waiting until I come back with a brilliant vote and final answer, bad news.-
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I still want T3 to walk me through his vote on Dragons and switch onto jjh.-
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Yeah I'm voting before I go to bed. The question is whether it's jjh or T3, though I'm half tempted to policy Dragons for yet again leaving me to do all of the work so that he can keep leaving other people to do all of the work in the future.-
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jjh this isn't even a trap, I'm down to have you/T3 vote him as blitz insurance and we hammer Dragons unless he posts.-
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"If I just blatantly and repeatedly miss deadlines and don't do anything as town in ELO, it'll be so sick when I get away with it as scum haha"-
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It was my claim, jjh just said I was right. As far as I can tell this game isn't in the same solar system as a single jjh scumgame on record when it comes to proactivity/dialoguing.-
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I'm incredibly annoyed but I won't actually do it. Waiting on Dragons would be a great way to waste 12 hours. Last time we were in 3 way he literally missed the deadline entirely.In post 4585, imaginality wrote:If you do think it might help us get some last minute content from StD though, I'm happy to be one of the three votes as additional blitz insurance.
If he's scum he gets to celebrate another brilliant zero-effort scumwin off the backs of the decade of players he left completely hanging in the other 10 out of 13 games.-
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I would appreciate a reread on T3, I'm not really inclined to vote you right now so I'm curious as to what you think between jjh/T3.-
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...And the switch from Dragons to jjh?-
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@jjh
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Alright, well, I'll do a jjh/T3/Fire/camel ISO one more time then just vote and pray I guess.-
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You're killing me T3.-
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I hate that I respect you and your potential enough to think this is plausibly intentional.-
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Weird response since that wasn't why you put them in green.In post 4600, jjh927 wrote: Do you really need to ask that question, man who has already brought attention to his interactions with Firebringer in day 3-
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Unfortunately you also disproportionately claim to have read overnight as scum and coming out with a long thoughtful wall is already in your toolset.-
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Nevermind, you're right and I mixed up that with your imaginality wagon-theory, my mistake.In post 4386, jjh927 wrote: But like, looking back, I ruled out Imag/Fire because "Why would Fire see a significant wagon on his first buddy and then support a counterwagon on his second buddy"
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I'm about ~500 posts through the final reread but given that there's 1450 it'll be a minute.-
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Also to be clear I'm literally just voting. Maybe I ask a question while I'm doing it but yeah.
One of T3's biggest problems is that he literally can't resist bussing and putting his partners low as scum.-
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My preference now is T3->Dragons->imaginality->jjh. I'm blatantly lost but here we are.-
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I really love this slot making one post that is almost copy/pasted from a former scumgame then completely ghosting the game.In post 8201, Save The Dragons wrote: I am smeargle.
I have sketches. I used one to pick up ice beam from Ranger n1 which I've never found helpful and/or mostly forgot about and/or was fainted. I have one more sketch I think.
Popcorn to titus
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I am actually so close to seriously voting Dragons. T3 likes to bus and these interactions are sketchy but my reason for thinking Dragons is town is literally "He had Firebringer as his top townread." The bar is 10 ft below the ground and the corpse is rotting in the casket.-
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Yeah naw I'm going here
VOTE: Dragons
Not even a spite vote. There are parts of T3's play I hate with a fiery vengeance and parts that I think are town. I'm paranoid of jjh for reasons of interactions but I think this game is way, way beyond anything he's played before and there's no real reason to do it out of the gate, even though I hate parts of today. I'm a bit worried it's imaginality, but 1. Fire's vote on imaginality is probably clearing because Fire gave no shits 2. Why the fuck does Fire ever leave in that scenario?
In contrast Fire defended Dragons repeatedly and only voted when jjh really, REALLY persisted on it. I think Dragons leaving looks awful for Firebringer which explains him staying.-
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That's my vote, I'm going to get food and calling it a day.-
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Town Dragons correctly reading Scum Firebringer, February 2023.In post 652, Save The Dragons wrote: I have a pet scumread on firebringer cuzI feel town firebringer is more relaxed and this firebringer feels a little stiffer and tryhardy.
But I'm not confident on this one
Dragons reading Scum Firebringer this game, November 2023.In post 807, Save The Dragons wrote: i've played with fb a lot and i kind of think this is his town game.i hate meta as a reason but if fb is doing less trolling and more solving im generally happy alignment wise
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One of the big reasons Dragons can't leave is that it clears your slot, mine, and jjh's. gob is also probably instacleared in that scenario. He has to stay or Fire gets forced into a 1v1 with Ydrasse.-
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I went for a walk. I have a lot to say that I can't on my phone, but this is my answer. I retract my 4622 but this is my answer nonetheless.
I've had a lot of fun, and I've done the best I can. I can see worlds for the other 3, but I don't think this one is it. I'm willing to go to the end of the line together with jjh. I have such high hopes for T3, and I'd be so proud of him if this is his scumgame. In general, this game has been within those high hopes and expectations, even though it's on the outer bounds, with one exception: his lash out at Ydrasse about his SAT. I think the voting record saves imaginality.
I have all the information I need to win as town, and it won't be Dragons's fault if I'm misvoting again. It isn't the first, and it won't be the last.
I'll be around to hammer as required.-
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Ydrasse just remember, no matter what happens I can grab a 6 pack of O'Doul's Premium Amber and we can spend tomorrow watching a Scooby Doo movie postflip.-
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Friendly reminder that this is a democracy and you are not required to vote with me and I am not pressuring you to, I'm just telling you it's all gonna be okay.-
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FWIW I also still don't think Firebringer points out the T3/Prism quote from camel if it's T3, but it's a big stretch.-
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Well, if you have any questions for me or if there's anything else I can do to help, let me know.
I've made my peace.-
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It's okay, we just blame me and ride off into the sunset if it's wrong. Thanks for joining, let's hope it's right and I'm not losing the exact same way I did Moderators.-
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Please tell me you're town-
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I saw new post and had a fucking heart attack.-
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Oh holy shit
Alright, well, thanks pals. See you on the other side. I'm sorry again if I'm wrong. I've really tried my absolute best.-
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I'm proud of you regardless T3. Good reads on camel and Fire. Sorry I didn't join at the right times.-
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If gob is mafia who didn't blitz the first time that would be the most satanic shit I've ever seen in my life-
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