OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)
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but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.In post 42, ceejayvinoya wrote:
This post is pinging me.In post 39, Enigma wrote:
But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?In post 12, BuJaber wrote:VOTE: brass
Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.
1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.
I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.
But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber
It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.
I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.
we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.
so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?-
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but why claim now? the plan falls apart completely and it serves town no purpose.In post 105, AP wrote:
Because they'd be a prime target for the NK anyway. If you're #1 in the picking order and you're town, scum will always assume you picked Cop, Role Cop or JK/Tracker. However, TPRs don't know who's town and one of those might be inclined to investigate the person who picked first, hence the claim. (Otherwise it would have been great if she didn't claim and just obv!towned enough to guarantee she gets targeted by the NK on N1).In post 101, OkaPoka wrote:Why wouldn't town pick an investigator role first or at least pretend to be one with the low keyness and then pgo.
I don't think Engima was scumreading BuJaberIn post 106, ceejayvinoya wrote:
My problem with Enigma wasn't being on the wagon. It's why he was on the wagon.In post 54, OkaPoka wrote: but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.
we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.
so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?
That reason why he voted BuJaber looked bogus to me and also looked like an excuse to hop onto the wagon, which I dislike.
Do you honestly believe Enigma believes his scumread on BuJaber?
sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.In post 39, Enigma wrote:
But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?In post 12, BuJaber wrote:VOTE: brass
Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.
1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.
I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.
But I know I'm town, so probability says...
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So you find it more likely that ruru is being honest about her intentions with the PGO play than potentially fakeclaiming and being an actual vigilante which is mafia aligned?
IMO strongest first pick for mafia would be the vigilante, gives you an extra NK and it removes PGO from play. That or roleblocker which would remove Doctor from play.
What I am saying is that ruru may have not played it optimally for town but maybe she did play it optimally for scum. So now the question is how good is ruru at mafia.-
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if she was vengeful then she would run the risk of getting cc'd by the actual pgo/vig right?In post 100, Enigma wrote:
Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?In post 88, skitter30 wrote:i am confused?
if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?
Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?
unless she knew real pgo/vig was on her team, adding an extra layer of wifom-
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wait scum have doubled up before?In post 135, Sando wrote:
94.5% to be exact.In post 134, OkaPoka wrote:90% scum wouldn't want to double up-
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i call for lynches all the time as townIn post 138, Skygazer wrote:
Not starting wagons, calling for lynches.In post 120, BuJaber wrote:Why is starting wagons a bad thing, stargazer ? Or whoever asked-
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maybe not this early but the point is calling for lynches can be done by townIn post 142, Skygazer wrote:
This early?In post 140, OkaPoka wrote:i call for lynches all the time as town-
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sorry if im missing any questions directed at me, probs should hit me with an @okapoka again because im going to answer skitter's question about why enigma wagon sucks
imo the wagon only really appeared when skygazer, ruru, and orhz all voted engima within essentially consecutive posts.
mediocre explanation imo, tone is about as useful as saying gut, i'd go as far as to stating tone as a reason to vote is equivalent to an rvs level vote which we have already transitioned out of.In post 168, Skygazer wrote:genuinely have no clue how to interpret oka help
VOTE: Enigma
blatantly sheeping two early town reads (agree with the tone looking weird in 109 and with CJ's point as well)
i disagree with cj's point, engima was being pretty reasonable about how he reached a bujaber vote and i felt that cj was a bit reachy with that jump in logic. there was no indication of engima sincerely scumreading bujaber.
if this is the so called point
ruru just came out of nowhere with a naked vote, she indicated that she felt maybe engima vs bujaber was scum vs scum but i mean nothing concrete came out of itIn post 42, ceejayvinoya wrote:
This post is pinging me.In post 39, Enigma wrote:
But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?In post 12, BuJaber wrote:VOTE: brass
Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.
1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.
I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.
But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber
It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.
I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.
orfhz also naked voted also felt out of place
im not necessarily townreading enigma solidly, but i felt like the wagon forming was either fueled by scum or skygazer+ruru+orfhz is a clique that just do things for the lulz which does unfortunately happen on this site.
so i guess
@skygazer @ruru @orfhz are you guys a clique?-
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or he forgotIn post 237, Skygazer wrote:look at how enigma continues to vote BuJaber 10 pages in
enigma scum reads me, other people on his wagon, and ruru, but continues to hold on to a weak opportunistic vote from page two for some reason. probably waiting for another wagon to form or being cautious with their vote while under scrutiny.
i mean look at me, im wagon he can hop on
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ruru does not seem like a viable lynch today
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@invisbility im going to need for you to expand on your scumread on me, like put it into concrete words without using the words: tone, gut, feels off
link me some quotesIn post 192, AP wrote:
Nope. That was the slot that actually got me pulling my hair off. Al he seems to do is nitpick anything that anyone else says. It looks like he wants to stand out as "doing something different" but -at the same time- nothing productive. He's spewing doubt in every single case or line of reasoning anyone else tries to build upon and that's it.In post 188, Invisibility wrote:
is this just a sheep?In post 186, AP wrote:Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think I want to sheep skitter for now.
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@skitter30 wait why are you voting engima? do you just like the people on the wagon?
I am getting a lot of blatant sheeping this game which is weird, would like to see more people creating unique cases or at least reiterating what other people say about someone as their reason for voting someone, not i think x is town so im going to sheep.-
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wutIn post 261, Ausuka wrote:not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.
i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.
you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?-
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imo feels like a lame reason to tr but whateverIn post 270, Ausuka wrote:
yeah, i feel like invis is town? it's 2 days into d1.In post 268, OkaPoka wrote:
wutIn post 261, Ausuka wrote:not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.
i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.
you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?
what made you compelled to voice your position on invis?-
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ehh i disagree
1) ruru could have claimed later in the day, no need to drop the pgo btw early in the day
2) i guess i shouldn't have assumed enigma's intent but some1 asked me for an opinion on enigma i think so i gave them ti
3) i think engima's vote is less bujaber said x and that i scummy and more bujaber did this and chances are he is scum, but ask enigma i guess
4) my point is it seems like something town and scum could both potentially do, but it is more likely for scum to do. maybe im wrong, you do bring a valid point.
5) i still don't see im spreading the seeds of doubt of almost everything, i didn't like the enigma wagon if that is what you are referring to so yeah i kinda wanted it dead-
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how does this have to do with scumhuntingIn post 286, brassherald wrote:People tend to talk when they are mentioned, it has to do with ego or something, I just want to make it more noticeable.-
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most ppl dont make sense on this websiteIn post 307, Skygazer wrote:his statistics based scumhunting makes v little sense tho and resulted in an opportunistic vote on a wagon and even tho he's making an effort to look like he's scumhunting since then he hasn't taken his vote off the wagon
i guess you see it as opportunistic, i dont really but eh-
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wait what?In post 329, BuJaber wrote:
If brass is town he's scum. I felt that he agreed with his meta analysis so that he wouldn't analyze him further.In post 325, ceejayvinoya wrote:Why is sando on your scum pool tho
If brass is scum I think Sando is town though. Kind of too obvious buddying there.
And sando picked a low number (4).
I think scum don't want to lose their shot at getting a PR and they would have tried (at least one of them would have) to pick one of the low numbers.
@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.
everyone doesn't want to lose their shot at getting a PR, pregame is a game of wifom, sure one of them would have picked a low number is a reasonable assumption but if you selected three random players chances are at least one picked a lowish number. I don't see how this is insightful-
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Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO (active)
Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector
1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
Doctor OR Roleblocker
Universal Backup OR Role Cop
Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
Jailkeeper OR Tracker
also about the whole rb thing:
n3 vigi/vengeful wouldn't know about rb tmr
if ruru is honest about being pgo no vigi so don't no about rb
COP WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE RB, not redirector i believe
commuter happens before rb usually, WATCHER WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE SUCCESFUL IT APPEARS
doctor no, roleblocker no
universal backup no, ROLECOP YES
neighborizer maybe? fruit vendor no
jk no, tracker yes
i think claiming you were rb'd in this plan would basically be a big sign saying HEY SCUM IM AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE, SHOOT ME-
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meh sorry but this doesn't help me sort him so I'm sticking to invis=scumIn post 371, ofrhz wrote:the impression i got from reading his scumgame in Coalition was that he was less flippant and more cooperative there. so for example, i think 253 is more likely to come from town than scum invis
basically, if you're expecting paragraphs or even sentences of analysis from invis, i highly doubt you'll get that from him from either alignment.-
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im ok with thisIn post 388, Skygazer wrote:If Enigma flips scum then Oka is a likely candidate for a partner-
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