you told me you were going to drop this :\
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how would you feel about every player in the game picking Infinity324 and MURDERCAT?In post 6, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think I wanna try something a bit different this game. During the first couple days of D1, I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town, working with them to try and form reads, push scum, and solve the game. I think in a setup like this, a tactic like what I’m suggesting could bear some tasty fruit.
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Is there a reason you chose to spend 4% of your allotment on this announcement?In post 11, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm gonna play this game old school style and only post 25 times total throughout the entire game to show you youngins how we used to do things in the old days.
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VOTE: Datisi
Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"hasto be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.
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It doesn't have to do with him being one of Flea's townreads (I didn't notice that, so if that's what Dwlee was doing then ignore this); I had thought Flea's posting looked townish at a glance but not enough to mention it and I think it's not a read that scum has that much incentive to give at that moment. The thread hadn't been posted in for an hour and I think it's more likely for town to come in and say "this opening looks town" than for scum to come in and give a townread on someone who had no reads on them yet.In post 82, GuiltyLion wrote:
can you elaborate on this one? I don't see how that post makes Dwlee any more likely town, he's just accepting a townread on him from FleaIn post 69, implosion wrote:dwlee likely town for that.
I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play, rather than claiming suspicion first without checking. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here
Regarding Datisi: I don't think the forgetting that you naked voted is fake? I don't see why scum Datisi can't have seen your vote here and said "oh, i think this is a difference in GL's play" and then gone back and seen that it wasn't. The read on him is partially tonal as well.-
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Elaborate on what you thought about a little?In post 85, Gamma Emerald wrote:I thought about it a little and I think I can allow myself to TR NM for now
I just hope his play has some real dimensionality to it going forward-
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I... did? It's not like it's incredibly complicated or robust or anything. (And I'm not really interested in convincing anyone anymore so)In post 95, goats wrote:
Explain what's wrong with the first four posts you quoted.In post 75, implosion wrote:VOTE: Datisi
Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"hasto be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.
I want to call N_M's play so far townie and am not sure what Gamma is talking about with MURDERCAT about it.
I like this post (and I liked it before seeing that I got unvoted on the next page). I'm interested to see how GL's game plays forward because of how my read on him in coalition went (namely he was repeatedly posting things that I thought were very town). I don't want to like, BoP or like, burden of... something him based on that one game but.In post 97, Datisi wrote:
i am not sure i like this. specifically the bolded part, that never happened. i didn't claim suspicion on you without checking - at the time of typing 47, i had already checked coalition and knew you weren't actually suspicious for naked voting.In post 82, GuiltyLion wrote:I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play,rather than claiming suspicion first without checking. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here
you're correct that scum!me doesn't fake forgetting you naked voted there. however, implo is right in saying that it's possible (from your pov at least) that this is scum!me genuinely forgetting you naked voted in coalition, going back to check whether that's true and whether i can shitpush you on that basis, and then realizing that no, i cannot, because i misremembered; but hey, makes a nice ~solvey~ post.
like, this post gives me a vague feeling of guiltylion knowing i'm town and working backwards to make this post, as opposed to working out my alignment, if that makes sense?
This is an interesting response because part of my issue with those posts are that they kind of reminded me of things that i misread as town from you in the one game we've played together (that I remember at least). Unvoting me is also very interesting. It seems like it'd be pretty easy to double down here as scum when my wagon has even gained momentum since I posted this and I think there's plenty in my reasoning that you could object to on grounds that you could claim are alignment indicative.In post 105, Datisi wrote:
i don'tIn post 75, implosion wrote:VOTE: Datisi
Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"hasto be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.lovethis obviously, but i can see where it's coming from. "how are you fellow townies" feels like a good enough description of my play so far (something something weak early game, rvs is bad), and while i'm tired of the "datisi scum because weak/akward/jokey tone!" reads, i've heard them from town enough times to not get worked up over them.
an egoistical part of me also wanted to say that i don't think implo chooses *me* to attack with such reasoning, but pretty sure he's also never seen my towngame, so /shrug.
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...why not? He'd just be doing it to emulate a town thought process. But etc.GL wrote:But why would scum!Datisi go through with posting that regardless afterwards once he confirmed it wasn't indicative and I was consistent across the two games?
I think dwlee's reaction to the votes on him is probably townish. It feels too willing to be in the limelight to be scum. I like Infinity's play so far though I'm definitely biased because she called me town when I was getting annoyed at the votes on me. Gamma's place in the game feels exactly like some distant memory of a game or two, years ago, where he was really contentious and I was hard townreading him and he was town.-
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It is that game, and I just found this gem of a quote from my ISO from the point in the game where I was heavily scumreading you:In post 150, Gamma Emerald wrote:the game I pulled my exercise from was probably from around that time if you mean what I think you do (the game I'm guessing you're referring to rn is Mini 1838)
This isn't like me saying "gamma making contradictions is never scummy" but it is an amusing/interesting coincidence. I think Gamma thinks about things in a way that people can be prone to misinterpret. Although I also just don't agree that the thing bugspray mentioned is a contradiction.In post 333, implosion wrote:And I think the most damning thing about Gamma (which I've mentioned but no one seems to have noticed) is still this flat-out contradiction. It's indicative that he doesn't actually have a consistent internal state of reads in his head; if he actually didn't hold the opinion that LUV was probably town, he straight-up would never have explicitly called LUV town. The fact that he called LUV town and then said that he doesn't actually believe LUV is town (just that a particular argument was bad) is very strong evidence that he's just pretending to have reads on people.-
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interesting in this case means probably townish and i should have said that. or well i kind of implied that with the unvoting thing in the next sentence. My memory of what those things were/are are like, vaguely things that were actually playstyle. I'll need to find the game to be more specific than that. And I cannot for the life of me find it.-
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Yeah I found it myself and looked over it and my opinion on you in that game was weirder than I remember it being. My memory of that game was mostly just like, I generally found you townish and I couldn't really remember any specific reasons other than them being things that in retrospect were probably playstyle. Even looking over it I feel like I don't have a great sense of it so I'll probably put minimal weight in my memory of your play.-
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In post 220, GuiltyLion wrote:and especially how would my vote on Dwlee make sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual? Like if I were scum the last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner when I could probably come up with an excuse to vote almost anyone
This is very one-dimensional. "The last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner" when we're in the first day or two of the game, and Datisi wasn't really a wagon with steam, is a vapid take. A setup that disincentivizes bussing necessarily incentivizes effective distancing; if you think you can distance from a buddy by voting as scum here, you will. Your vote isn't gonna make it that likely that they'll be eliminated at this point. How is it the last thing scum would do? I don't even think it's really disincentivized at this point. It's certainly disincentivized for scum to bus a partner that has a likely chance of going down soon but at this point I'm skeptical that you'd really be suspicious of someone for saying something might be a partner vote.In post 222, GuiltyLion wrote:thinking about it more I'm having a hard time seeing how us being partners is a genuine read or thought
VOTE: goats
This in turn feels remarkably like reasoning about someone else's posts not in good faith.GL wrote:I didn't have any strong scumreads and Dwlee hadn't done anything to read him off of, that makes him a good vote. The issue is your thought process, apparently "scum who has no other viable options voting his partner on early D1" is somehow more likely than "town with a handful of townreads on active players pushing an inactive slot to participate"? I can't see that coming from someone reasoning about my posts in good faith
This also seems like trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're saying that goats's logic is wrong because scum wouldn't want to bus right now because the setup disincentivizes it, *but also* scum wouldn't bus right now because they won't get anti-associative credit from it if they can move it. Doesn't the second logic invalidate the first? I know you're saying "using your own logic" but the same trick can be flipped on you here. Using your own logic, if your vote on dwlee should be interpreted as evidence that you're not scumbuddies, then you have incentive to make that vote as scumbuddies. Conversely, your vote is so half baked and easy to move that you no longer have any reason *not* to vote them; you might not be getting anti-associative credit but you also aren't putting them at risk. This isn't logic, it's just a choose-your-own-adventure masquerading as logic.GL wrote:Like even using your own logic, if the vote is so half baked or easily moved that I get no anti-associative credit from it, then what would be the benefit to scum!me for doing it? Again, why vote my partner over anyone else if I'm just locking myself into needing to back off of it later?
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I think in theory town are probably thinking less on average about it early. But in principal it's the kind of thing where context (meta, what they're talking about, etc) can be used to read it either way.In post 251, Klick wrote:In post 91, Klick wrote:
Is overtly trying to appear towny something that town are less likely to do than scum early on? It's the question I'm asking myself in regards to Gamma actually I think. A lot of Gamma's posts are reading as 'hello, look at me, being town, this is what I think town is supposed to do.' But I've seen enough instances of that being a townie's line of play that I'm hesitant to call it a scumtell.In post 75, implosion wrote:VOTE: Datisi
Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. [...] I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post.@implosion:it's not massively relevant anymore but I'd appreciate a response to this nonetheless if you get a chance
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This is still bad-faith interpretation of goats.GL wrote:I mean yes? I don't look at the first or second vote of my scumreads and assume that means they're partnered or aligned, that's usually evidence they aren't aligned
They're not saying you voted dwlee, therefore you're both scum; they're not even saying that you voting dwlee is necessarily evidence that you're both scum. All they've said is that they independently think the two of you are scum and that the votecouldbe a partner vote. Their original phrasing was literally "I think GL's vote on Dwlee can easily be partnered." Not "GL is scummy for their vote on Dwlee looking like a bus" or even "GL's vote on Dwlee is scummy". Just that it *could* be.
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To the first point: that might not be how you look at scum play. It's absolutely how plenty of people do, you're just painting that kind of tactic in the worst possible light. A lot of the time the wagon will never coalesce and you get distancing cred. A lot of the time a wagon will coalesce then break apart with you still on it and you get even more cred. Sometimes a wagon will form and you'll have to make a choice over whether to push or not push; that's the worst case scenario in principal but there are boons even then (you could push and then try to ride that cred out and hard protect your other scumbuddy, or you could leave the wagon late because of WIFOM value, etc, etc). I'm mostly concerned that you're just acting like this is a cut-and-dry kind of thing. You're not necessarily saying that scum canIn post 265, GuiltyLion wrote:
how is it vapid??In post 249, implosion wrote:"The last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner" when we're in the first day or two of the game, and Datisi wasn't really a wagon with steam, is a vapid take.
like, let's say I scum with Dwlee, I vote him, he picks up a handful of votes and then I decide to bail because his wagon is getting too serious. That's going to look infinitely worse on us if either of us were to flip?? that's absolutely not how I play scum, pointlessly set myself up for a harder-to-navigate trajectory for no real gain whatsoever.
How can you not see this as a misrep?
That's never the argument I'm making, and this:In post 225, goats wrote:3) GL says "I can't possibly be partners with dwlee, I voted him one time!"
is exactly the point. There's not really a strong reason to see it as partner indicative, if anything like I said it'd be slightly less so - so the fact that goats concludes an explanation that requires the most assumptions (scum!Dwlee, scum!GL, scum!GL votes partner) is agenda-driven thinking.In post 249, implosion wrote:This also seems like trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're saying that goats's logic is wrong because scum wouldn't want to bus right now because the setup disincentivizes it, *but also* scum wouldn't bus right now because they won't get anti-associative credit from it if they can move it. Doesn't the second logic invalidate the first? I know you're saying "using your own logic" but the same trick can be flipped on you hereneverdo this but you're acting as if no one could possibly have any reason for thinking that you *could* be doing it. That's what I mean when I say my main problem was you voting goat. You're not considering that other people view the game differently.
To the second point: as I just said, goats, as far as I can tell, has never once claimed that you voting Dwlee *is* partner-indicative. They've kind of implied that they think it might be but that's in response to you pushing them for reasons. Their initial claim was just that it could be, that it doesn't rule out you two being partners.Youare the one making the active claim that your vote on Dwlee should be indicative that you're not partners. So you're the one for whom this "have it both ways" logic is invalid.
goats is misrepping you, but goats is clearly doing it for rhetoric/exaggeration purposes (which, i understand can be annoying for you, but is not scummy) and you are misrepping them in turn.
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And to that point, I don't personally see anything ridiculous about scum!GL/scum!Dwlee. I happen to think Dwlee is townish right now but I don't have any like, ontological issue with thinking you can both be scum just because you voted them.
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I think his frustration and rhetoric of "I wouldn't play like this as scum" reads as genuine/I think faking that kind of thing (just absolutely blatantly lying about self-meta and claiming he can back it up) is not the kind of thing GL would do there as scum with Dwlee.goats wrote:I am interested in why @implosion thinks that GL would not react like this if he is partners with Dwlee. especially with Dwlee continuing to defend him after his attack on me.
I can agree with GL that Flea's 276 is somewhat shady. I can also agree with Datisi's 299 that that line from GL is somewhat townish.
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Doing this is semi-indistinguishable from my normal playstyle to a degree. I usually find some hard townreads early and never really re-evaluate them until later. You and maybe like, Infinity are at that point. So do with that what you will.In post 337, Gamma Emerald wrote:@implosion + MURDERCAT: aside from the people who are clearly against it and Not_Mafia, y’all are the only two to not do my thing yet. Would you like to pick some people or are you opting out?
While this is partially true I also think GL is a good enough player to realize that getting these receipts does basically nothing for him in the face of people who are saying he's independently scummy. Like, it's not the actual getting of the receipts that is townish, it's the indignation.goats wrote:re: 299
if you think GL is not partners with Dwlee but has independent scum equity then you should be a lot less willing to give him cred for 299. b/c getting frustrated and throwing out a bunch of meta links to prove your accusers wrong is something that scum who is caught for the wrong reasons could easily say, too. in a world where GL is scum but not with Dwlee and he's upset that I'm suspecting him for being paired with Dwlee when he's really not... he might easily have that reaction and try to use meta to rebut the part of my accusation he actually can.
I'm somewhat offput by goats's arc on GL at this point; in particular 351 is extremely out-for-blood in a world where quite a few people (me, datisi, infinity) that were not on goats's scumdar (in fact, this is exactly the list that they used to reinforce their point in 309) were starting to flip on GL. It's a little odd to me that, while they are trying to convince us that GL is still scum, they're not really acknowledging that there is real reason to have divested from GL suspicion. I'm not saying they themselves need to but the "I want to see who's on counterwagons" line is a bit strong. Even if it is like somewhat sardonic based on the 2nd line of the post.-
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Alright. All caught up.
I feel reasonably good about calling town:
Gamma, Dwlee, Infinity.
I feel less solid but still want to call town:
Datisi, GuiltyLion, Not_Mafia.
I don't feel strongly:
Pooky, Klick
I don't really feel comfortable putting them in the tier above this or the tier below this atm (i.e. a combo of "scummyish" and "needs more info"):
MURDERCAT, bugspray
I feel are scummy:
goats, Flea
Right now I don't have a problem with a MURDERCAT yeet but I definitely don't want it happening imminently. It's also entirely possible that as I explain some reads they will change but this is a snapshot of how I feel atm.-
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i don't buy this at all, it just feels like an excuse to vote goats or gl later/when one of them flipsIn post 361, Dwlee99 wrote:
Genuine frustration but as I said before it could be a caught for the wrong reasons thing and if he is town I kinda get what he is saying about your push on him? Which is why you're also in my confused pile.In post 349, goats wrote:
what's confusing about it?In post 344, Dwlee99 wrote:
GuiltyLion is a duh becauseIn post 342, Datisi wrote:why is guiltylion a "duh"? i don't think you actually said anything about him, other than you liked he kicked your ass into high gear, and then later on that you don't see anything scummy from him. did i miss you talking more in depth about him somewhere?
also uh, do you wanna talk about anything wrt me?his whole thing with goats is confusing to understand
if dwlee really believed this, they'd probably be at least questioning goats and trying to sort them if not voting them, since the most likely scenario from their pov is that gl is town. and they had gl as an actual townread earlier.
This is one specific thing I want to bring up since I feel pretty good about both Infinity and Dwlee.In post 406, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't have to poke and prod in every single direction at once jfc
I think Dwlee's response here strikes exactly the right note; their play this game just reads like they're vibing generally, I get the sense that they don't feel overly pressured even as people are pressuring them. I think the directions they've gone in are sensible from a town perspective. I can be more specific if desired I think.-
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Regarding goats: it really feels like they're using their GL scumread as a laurel to rest on. 393 (which Datisi mentioned looked scummy to him) is just... extremelynotthe reply that post deserves. That post was aggressively pro-town, it just reads to me as a townie desperately trying to both stop the gamestate from becoming harder to play in and to reach out and try to correct an erroneous scumread that is perceived to potentially cost like two miselims. If goats literally started reading that post and then decided to stop I'm just skeptical that they're really trying to discern alignments.
I don't think arrogance is necessarily scummy, but I think goats is, simply put, tunneling (yes they have indicated another scumread on MURDERCAT, yes they are still tunneling on GL) and I think it's a scummy tunnel. Things like 412 and the already-mentioned by me a couple posts ago 351 feel performative. Almost all of goats's analysis this game day has been through a lens of GuiltyLion-is-scum; ironically, despite me earlier defending them because they were claiming independent scumreads on GL and Dwlee, it feels like most of what goats posts now would just fall away and become empty if GL were to flip town. There's not even a slight twinge of potentially being wrong, not a sliver when, again, lots of players are saying GL is acting townish now. Sometimes they're trying to dispel those people's reads but idk, it just feels off to me. I feel like none of their other analysis has been nearly as up to snuff as their detailed breakdown of GL and that breakdown has been, in retrospect, kind of one-dimensional given that I think GL's play at this point has a lot of depth to it.-
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Regarding Flea: I don't have anything nearly so concrete. I read faer iso and idk there was that one post that GL called scummy that I agreed with and some wallish catchups and not a whole lot else there. Really probably should be in the same tier as bugspray/MC. the tiers are just so much more symmetrical this way.-
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She feels very focused on just solving the game. Th eway she flipped on GL after calling him "just scum" is exactly the opposite of what I'm complaining about with goats, where I think she clearly is updating reads with new evidence. Idk I think in general it's just that she is doing basically nothing but productively solving.In post 451, Datisi wrote:implo, why is infinity town?
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an excellent questionIn post 514, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what has bugspray even done in this game-
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I will say, this post is just a little bit buck wild. 12 choose 3 = 220, etc.In post 513, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky, I think you are onto something so I'll do MC or bugs today and I think both just flip red so whatever. Feel like maybe goats is third and he was okay bussing MC but realizes that if bugs dies here it's over cause MC follows? Idk.-
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I do think this is strange because I don't have history playing with you, and certainly not with you and Pooky at the same time. Why should Pooky-specifically have been able to read me-specifically (and Datisi I guess but more interested in me) at that point in the game?In post 505, MURDERCAT wrote:Because by that point I had already determined both implo and datisi were town and you should have too-
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hrmpvh.
I'm very interested in the juxtaposition of Infinity "this is very obviously MC's town meta" 324 and PookyThe "this is very obviously not MC's town meta" MagicalBear.
I want to proxy my read on him to other people but it's difficult when not all other players in the game agree on what his alignment is.-
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And I can see not really wanting to yeet bugspray. I just don't really feel any impetus to not vote there bc... they aren't doing anything. If their town meta is literally to not play the game then idk, a policy lim on d1 in this kind of setup isn't even that bad.
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This post is not how town with a continued scumread acts.In post 561, goats wrote:why would I reassess on you GL? have you done anything worth reassessing? have you voted out scum or shown me how you're out of your scum range?
until then all you've done is write long wordy posts that sound v reasonable and nice to get people to townread you and thrown about some easily faked frustration here and there and suddenly the whole game is eating out of your hand when they agreed you were scummy af before. i don't buy it.
Town here will talk to other people to convince them of gl being scum. Town has no reason to explain to gl why they’re not reassessing him.
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Assuming this was the 2nd head of the hydra: why the pop in with no further comment? Are you planning to participate in the game, or just let your other head?In post 549, goats wrote:what's up this is my first time looking at the thread-
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Okay. Here's where I'm at.
I pretty strongly disagree with GL+whoever else said that goats's hydra dissonance is townie. I think it's very possible the 2nd head saw they were scum, said "well fuck that i don't feel like playing the game" then 4 days later was like "well i have some time i guess i can pop in and see what's up" or etc. With that said I have mixed feelings about the 2nd heads actual posting.
I kind of think Infinity does come off slightly bad in the "1v1" with pooky. Pooky comes off as *probably* town, I do remember them tantruming like this at least once as town and I don't really see it as a go-to tactic in this situation and like, it would be lampshady as heck to say "well obviously i'm not gonna 1v1 you infinity lmao don't be ridiculous" and then 1v1 infinity. Infinity comes off as far more reasonable but I do think the interactions can make sense with her as scum. I definitely have memories of scumgames where I'd like, give a weak offhand scumread, not really to shade a person just because it's what I think I'd do as town, and then they go off on me and I'd have to go into damage control mode, and I think Infinity's line would make sense as that kind of thing. It's not strong enough for me to have any real suspicion of her at this point given the rest of her play but I don't really agree with the take that it comes off strongly as TvT.
I think N_M falling off in posting is, potentially, actually scummy. From how I'm 2ndhand interpreting how to read him based on some offhand things PenguinPower said in another game I think his trajectory can quite easily be scum. Game dynamics make him feel like a better elimination than Flea right now. They both kind of feel like "this slot will never truly be all that readable" votes but, my understanding of the modern world is that it is actually possible to townread N_M. And if it is possible to do so, then this game is distinctly not something where it's really justifiable to do so right now.
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I'm willing to vote Flea as well if the wagon gets bigger, I'm happy to push for an end to the day at this point if it's one of the people I don't mind dying, which at this point is probably like... N_M, flea, goats (though I don't really expect momentum there but don't really care at this point that there's no way to get momentum there), situationally MC.-
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Is this the esooa head?In post 954, goats wrote:If I didn't mention someone it's likely I town read them. My top town is Gamma. Oh, I suppose I may as well explain my GuiltyLion read. Basically they post too much to be a wolf, lol. Bite me. Sort by post count is a thing, and while they're not top posting, a vast majority of their posts are solvey and they just seem like a consistent presence in that regard. Maybe I'm missing some stuff as this is cursory but until I see that I have them as decently strong town-
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This is decisively not efforting N_M compared to the other recent games I've played with him. Look closely at his ISO. He has 24 posts in 24 hours... and then 10 posts in the almost a week since then.Datisi wrote: also, as much as it pains to say, i'm still feeling n_m is town. this level of effort feels like he gives half a shit about this game. comparing it to my last two game played with him, and some other game i was skimming where bingle said that efforting!n_m is town!n_m, this is fine.
How the heck is that efforting. It's showing up at the beginning and then not efforting at all after that. And the content of his posts doesn't exactly look like effort to me. Like really Datisi please justify this I have no idea what you're saying.-
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Just look at post timestamps ignoring content. Note he died N1.
In this game, if we count the number of his posts with each possible day as a timestamp (i.e. how many times did he post on the 11th, then 12th, etc), we get:
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10 (but again, note that 23/25 of these two days' posts were within a span of 24 hours)
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In jk9++, scum game, if we do the same:
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If we do the same with the town game I linked above:
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14 (again note that most of these two spates of posting took place in a span of 24 hours, though that weakens my point in principle)
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And then d1 ended.
So idk. His first 24 hours of this game were, yes, high-effort by his standards. But his game since then looks distinctly more like the scum game. It's definitely not clearly high-effort N_M.-
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Nah, I don't really agree. At least I don't find it particularly less likely than the same thing from a town hydra. I think the refusal to talk to the other head is probably more of a "hastily planned hydra" tell than an alignment tell.GL wrote:do you see what I'm saying though about how I don't think it's likely the second head starts playing without even checking what the other head is doing? I feel a scum!hydra would be more careful than to do that
strongly this.GL wrote:I don't wanna vote Dwlee I still think he's town, he doesn't feel like caught scum