VOTE: Srceenplay
Noted. - Math
Why are you trying to tie his voting method to his alignment?In post 20, Srceenplay wrote:Why can’t you use VOTE: tags like everyone else?
Does it help your scum game to be slightly more discrete using bold votes?
I agree that Reaper's posts are awful.In post 54, the worst wrote:Reaper's entrance is easily the worst so far. Like I get that it's so overly trolly it's bordering on impossible to analyse but it's also annoying
I want to see more content from A50.
Probs liking Srceenplay the most so far
I had been including the single-posters, but outside of them, I feel like Montosh's posts have been fairly similar to those of A50.In post 61, the worst wrote:A50 is talking lots but not saying much, he stuck out more to me than others from a skimread. Who would you say has contributed less so far (excluding single posters and those who haven't rocked up yet)?
I'm not sure what the bolded refers to?In post 77, Espeonage wrote:There's every chance I'm wrong.But given skitter has asked the poignant questionand seems to have reservations about it being obv scum too I'm happy to wait and see if I was right on the ToS thing.
Why is Espeonage on the same list as reaper? Like are you pushing him as PL (like reaper), or you find him scummy, or ...?In post 89, Srceenplay wrote:You can put Espeonage on the same list as reaper as well.
People in the group you refer to will lolhammer day1 as town as well, so I'm not sure why you're viewing this is AI *because* he's part of that group? I agree that it's anti-town as fuck, but I don't think it's inherently AI unfortunately, given that I've seen Boon and others lolhammer as town day1.In post 92, Espeonage wrote:And that is a completely serious vote. Only happened because of friendship with boon otherwise it would just be null vi behaviour.
I kinda agree with this tbh. I think that Esp's either making an uninformed push (ie that he believes that members of that group will only lolhammer as scum and therefore screen is scummy) or a disingenuous one (ie that he's aware that they do this as town too and he's pushing it anyways). I'm tending towards thinking the latter atm tbh.In post 94, Srceenplay wrote:So Espeonage stop trying to fake town emotional frustration.
I don't know if he's trying to remove culpability from himself for it?In post 103, Montosh wrote:But don't try to remove culpability from yourself by saying something along the lines of "well I did warn them I'd hammer for absolutely no reason so there". This actually reduces our ability to gain info.
???????In post 142, UnaBombaH wrote:VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.
a) Why do you want to insta-hammer reaper if it isn't a PL?In post 149, Srceenplay wrote:Reaper is not a PL.
The PL is who I’m voting now.
Espeonage I might be changing my mind on. I love let you know if I decide to swap them out.
This almost reads like you were fine with A50's claim *until* Una objected to it, at which point you decided to hop onto that push as well.In post 147, mutantdevle wrote:I almost believe this until:In post 139, Almost50 wrote:The post you referred to as being a Traitor claim was actually a BodyGuard strong crumb. Bad Guy, Bob Geldof, Brian Gleeson, Brad Garrett. Brad Garrett isn't even Irish to the best of my knowledge.
I feel like this is probably much more likely.In post 142, UnaBombaH wrote:VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.
So, are you arguing that only investigative roles can/should crumb? Like are you saying that if he did the exact same thing except claiming Goon Cop instead of BG you would have been fine accepting it? I don't understand why you're basing much of your argument on the fact that he's a BG and not some other (investigative) PR.In post 155, mutantdevle wrote:Bodyguards do not need to crumb; it is not an investigative role. Claiming bodyguard has no benefits to the town. The type of crumb you did is almost impossible to notice unless pointed out. This means the only purpose of it is to receive town cred at any time of your choosing.This is only done when you anticipate being scum read. You had no reason to think that if that post wasn't intended to be a traitor wink to your scum buddies.
Why are you still voting him ...?In post 156, mutantdevle wrote:We'll lynch him tomorrow then.In post 152, Srceenplay wrote:You don’t vote claimed BG day 1 no matter how much you think you scum read them.
You get a town lean for your bad Vote. Scum would never try that.
And tbh, I think scum probably would try it if it looked likely to happen.
I don't get it. Why is heIn post 160, mutantdevle wrote:But in its current state, your claim just screams desperate scum.
So after going through the whole interaction between Mutant and A50, I actually got the opposite impression and felt like he was being rather honest and transparent in his push and his reasoning for it.In post 167, the worst wrote:A50's reactions stink but I agree there is an opportunistic feel about the reactions (particularly Mutant).
So the purpose of this was reaction-testing? Like you made an accusation that you think he was a traitor crumbing BG as a backup, and after the fallout, you hop off just saying that you're happy people talked about it? Your reaction here doesn't really jive with your initial accusation imo.In post 195, UnaBombaH wrote:UNVOTE:
At least we got some conversation out of it.
Anybody else want to make a sketchy claim and then talk themselves out of it? (in all honesty though, I'll try to read peoples reactions to that claim tonight)
OK, why did you think reaper was town?In post 176, Espeonage wrote::/ Saying lol reactions doesn't gel with my reasons for thinking you're town.
Why aren't you voting him then?In post 211, legoboyvdlp wrote:By that, I mean, that he is my only scum feely person right now... the rest of you are fairly null reads for now. Just at a quick glance over the game.
lol, sorry, I'll try not to do that againIn post 224, the worst wrote:hmm Lego checking vote counts is against his town meta!
(just kidding )
I sat here for like a minute before I realised you weren't talking about meskitter30 wrote:I think your reaction to A50's claim wasthe worsttbh, so I think I want to do this for now.
I like your post there Skitter. if it's normal for Mutant to "try hard" and lay down large kinda inductive cases then I'm comfortable that his approach was towny.
A Una wagon feels pretty good. VOTE: UnaBombaH
To summarize: you accuse A50 of crumbing traitor and vote him, and a few people hop on and/or agree with you. After much discussion, the wagon fizzles out and you unvote because 'at least it got people talking'. I ask you about that and vote you, and you vote the worst, who's sheeping me.In post 230, UnaBombaH wrote:His BG-explanation didn't convince me, but since everyone else left the wagon, me hanging on makes no sense and helps no one.
Right, that's my point. It's likely self-resolving, so voting him today is kinda silly imo, and I don't really understand why you did it in the first place.In post 230, UnaBombaH wrote:it still doesn't mean he didn't. But. Assume he IS the traitor, the scum might still shoot him now, or at least they SHOULD, so that should resolve itself.
OK, so if you think the worst is scummy for opportunistically sheeping me, what do you think about my initial push on you?In post 240, UnaBombaH wrote:Bolding for your pleasure:In post 239, mutantdevle wrote:You never specified that in your post. You simply said you are voting for them because they turned on you. That comes across as OMGUS.The only reason I named skitter was because at that time I wasn't sure who which voted first..In post 231, UnaBombaH wrote:Oh, also - skitter or the worst is actually scum for turning to melike that.
VOTE: the worst
I noticed that actually, but was hesitating to bring it up in case he really is crumbing cop. I actually kinda think that he was doing it to crumb traitor, as follows:In post 249, legoboyvdlp wrote:And you could also see it as an attempt to crumb as cop ("law enforcement work extra then"), which please bear in mind if anyone else claims cop or if he does.
Here he's announcing that he thinks A50 is crumbing traitor and back-up crumbing BG in case he gets caught, which in imo is kinda outlandish to begin with. Taken with his first post, it kinda looks to me like he crumbed cop in order to get himself shot at so he could show his buddies he's the traitor, with the cop-crumb as a back-up strat:In post 142, UnaBombaH wrote:VOTE: Almost50 - that BG-claim was always there as a backup-strat.
He is the traitor and tried to crumb it - trusting my gut here.
And coupled with the fact that he's not super into the A50-traitor thing (as shown by how he casually jumped off of it), it seems semi-plausible to me that his A50 push was an attempt by traitor!unah to signal to his buddies, and not an actual legit push on A50.In post 230, UnaBombaH wrote:it still doesn't mean he didn't. But. Assume he IS the traitor, the scum might still shoot him now, or at least they SHOULD, so that should resolve itself.
If you think me/una are scum, vote one of us and explain why. It's not such a great look to say that we might be scumbuddies, or we might be tvt, you're not really sure, but at the end of all that, you're ultimately voting a PL that several other people stated they want to PL instead of voting a scumread.In post 249, legoboyvdlp wrote:She votes mutant, then unvotes, jumping onto Una. I definitely agree that Una's whole reaction to A50 is a bit odd, but couldn't this be an attempt to bus early in the game? Is this town v town, or am I reading too much into this? Personally, I'm worried about whether we have a Una - Skitter scum team with someone else as traitor. Another thing, I'm basically policy lynching srceenplay. I don't like his playstyle of throwing D1, and he comes over as odd to me. Scummy type of odd. As I said previously IIRC anyone more lynch worthy coming along gets my vote happily. I want some discussion on Una - skitter first.
A lot of Lego's posts are very waffly though. He isn't taking hard stances on much of anything, and has mostly been pushing pl's and lurkers instead of scumreads for most of the game. And when he does actually talk about scumreads - srceen, una, me, to a certain extent, Esp, he uses very waffly language that leaves him a lot of room to backtrack on like all of them, and doesn't really seem committed to any particular stances.In post 252, the worst wrote:Paranoia about the state of a case (TvT/TvS/SvS) and inability to form an opinion about it is a newbtown tell to me
But yes I'd like to hear your thoughts on this Lego.
I detest being a sheep but Skitter is speaking right into my soul.If it's between Una/Srceen Una is the correct player to pressure at this point.
Srceen is difficult to read but I'm leaning towards rude-null-town and not rude-scum. I'm getting a "why would Maf enter the game this way" kinda vibe.
In post 236, mutantdevle wrote: Whenever I think about the Screenplay wagon, all I see is this:
And that deters me from it.
Can you clarify your position on the srceen wagon please?In post 270, mutantdevle wrote:Who says we weren't?In post 269, Elmo TeH AzN wrote: Hey now Im one of those players. SO why are we not lynching Screen today
Right, this is my point, so I don't really get why you started the wagon in the first place.In post 271, UnaBombaH wrote:I WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR HERE - THERE IS STILL NO REASON TO ACCEPT AS A FACT WHAT A50 HAS CLAIMED HERE. THE ONLY REASON NOT TO WAGON HIM TODAY, IS BECAUSE HE HAS CLAIMED A TOWN-PR WHICH IS OF A NATURE THAT SHOULD RESOLVE ITSELF WITHIN FEW NIGHTS.
I think the way you stopped pushing A50 was scummier imo.In post 271, UnaBombaH wrote:So keeping that in mind, I think mutant easing off here, and basing it on a self-meta post, could actually be scummy
Why? I see very little to townread. The only reason he isn't a hard scumread right now is because I'm not sure if I'm conflating newer-player behaviors with scummy behaviors.In post 272, the worst wrote:I'm finding it really easy to townread Lego
Who's Math? And what do you like about Espeonage?
So, when I saw that, I assumed it was an auto-correct type thing like mono = montosh (hence I asked 'who's math?', not 'why is math in this list'?), but apparently he really did mean math, so yeah that does make it rather worse. I'm on the fence atm as to whether he would be that careless as scum; I need to think about it a bit.In post 282, Almost50 wrote:It's a classic scumslip by a lazy scumsterIn post 279, skitter30 wrote:Lol, I mean I know who you are, but presumably he isn't giving a read on you
Do you think he's playing similarly here to his towngame there? It looks like Una was in that game as well. Any thoughts on una in comparison to that game?In post 283, the worst wrote:We just finished a town game together, I think im very light confbias a town read based on that
Yeah, I'm beginning to think that might be a possibility.In post 287, Srceenplay wrote:Yes creature lurking could be scum.
The only person on the wagon that I'm maybe townreading is montosh. I don't especially consider you a townread in the sense of 'I think A50's town and therefore believe his opinions are coming from a town mindset'. My read on you is 'Eh, the claim gives him a pass for today and if he isn't dead in around ~2-3 days we're going to have to lynch him'. Like I don't think you're town on play, more like you're getting a pass because of the claim, so your presence doesn't really make the wagon look much better to me.In post 299, Almost50 wrote:I'm comfortable TRing everyone on the srceen wagon except for Elmo, but even if she is Scum she is not afraid to bus, so..In post 296, skitter30 wrote:Also I'm feeling a little bit hesitant about the srceen wagon cuz a bunch of people I'm reading as somewhere in the 'null-scum to scum' range (elmo, lego, and esp) on are on it, which makes me wary.
I don't know if a vig necessarily exists to handle that tbh. (Namely, I don't necessarily ascribe to your 'scum will have picked 3 abilities' theory).In post 301, Almost50 wrote:I consider Creature to be the Vig's problem, tbh. Not necessarily on N1, but sometime before LyLo
OK, this is kinda an awkwardly-timed vote ...In post 302, legoboyvdlp wrote:I thought I voted Una,by the vote count apparently not so VOTE: Una
Um, yeah that vote switch was actually really bad.In post 304, Almost50 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen; I present you with the distancing partner who has been on the srceen wagon for distancing, and as soon as it got serious switched to the counterwagon.
On Una in general - if he's scum I think he's the traitor.In post 313, the worst wrote:Una I've only played one day phase with him but I have an uncomfortable feeling here... Have you played with Una before? What are your thoughts?
Tbh I'm a little bit surprised that you completely glossed over the fact that I'm saying I think you might be the traitor.In post 320, UnaBombaH wrote:OK, no reason to panic this obviously even if people are starting to notice your scummyness..
I don't much like this post :/In post 321, mutantdevle wrote:He seems scummy but he's also an easy lynch. I think he's just naturally scummy looking. I'm not sure whether I genuinely consider him scum this game but if he's going to get mislynched eventually then we may as well get it over with in the hope that he is scum this time.
When did this happen? I thought you were mostly townreading him?In post 330, the worst wrote:Lego is the only one of your 3 I can read as scum atm
I would argue that a townie ought to do both - try to get townread to take themselves out of the potential lynchpool to make PoE easier for everyone else, in addition to pushing scumreads to get them lynched. But this might just be a playstyle/philosophical difference, so meh.In post 340, Almost50 wrote:Srceen is arguing I'm not confirmed a Townie YET I'm pushing wagons instead of trying to consolidate a global TR on me. I say that's exactly how SCUM would want to go about it. In any given game, and aside from there being an IC, literally no one is confirmed. Are we all supposed to NOT push our SRs but rather try to get TR'd instead???!!!
Right, and that's part of the reason why I'm not townbinning A50 so much as sticking him in the 'I probably don't have to sort' pile.
I'm pretty sure for Creature in particular actively choosing to ignore the game while being active onsite elsewhere *is* the scumtell. Like I'm pretty it's not that Screen happened to pick Creature, one of the group of AFK players, so much as he thinks Creature ignoring the game makes him more significantly more likely to be scum.In post 349, Sky_Paladin wrote:When these reads were questioned, provoked a vote on Creature who had just been prodded.
To me a vote on one of Screenplay's supposed scum reads would have been more natural; this looks like a reactionary vote attempting to divert focus to an afk player (that is less likely to defend themselves) rather than a real effort at scumhunting.
I'm not sure what you're asking me to clarify here? I rather disliked that Lego post because it continued a general pattern of waffling from him.In post 355, Sky_Paladin wrote:Subsequently I disagree with Skitter's 265 and do wonder the motivation behind it.
And both replacements coming in and wanting to vote / voting Screen is part of the reason why I'm getting this overall vibe of complecancy that's making me kinda wary of the wagon. Like it's an easy push to make for both of them to make, and a lot of people are just vote-parking the wagon and it's feeling kinda off/stale/complacent at this point.In post 364, JaydragonKing wrote:Looking on to the Current wagon of Screenplay (Yes I see his real username and declare it to stupid too type): reading on his stuff, I'm definitely saying he's scum. He started off alright, but now he's doing insults and making shitty readlists, saying he "mixed up games"as his excuse, but if he was really an invested townie, he would have paid more attention. Probably lazy (and salty) scum that got called out.
It looks like he just sorted the Activity overview into alphabetical order and went down the list on everyone who's posted in the game. Not sure what you're saying here.In post 373, JaydragonKing wrote:correction, he was saying it like he said for Creature/me, just on the opposite sides of his list. Saying that the Reaper/Sky slot is scum.
Honestly, I'm not sure if I agree with the bolded. I can point to townies being careless with readslists and making mistakes like that (like forgetting to include their biggest scumread); to me, having Math in his readslists looks like a 'I'm not paying super much attention' tell, and I don't think that's inherently AI tbh.In post 388, Sky_Paladin wrote:I'm somewhat invested in the fact that he twice townread Math?Anytime somebody is caught out with their reads it insta-points to them having fabricated their reads,and lynch-all-liars is one of the hardest policies to argue against. I'd like to have more than this though. One factor I'm adding to this is his comments about planning to hammer anybody who got to L-1 and not attribute any malice or reasoning to it. To me this looks like a message that this player is the scum traitor, and that he wants some way of communicating to his buddies so that they don't accidentally shoot him. So yes, I think this implies that scum did not recruit traitor!screen.
And I don't really get why that would be a traitor-tell in any case (as opposed to a general scumtell).In post 388, Sky_Paladin wrote:I am not against a quickhammer on day 1; in every game I can ever recall playing, the first wagon of the day was usually on scum.
Who is this talking about?In post 397, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I think hes mislynch bait at this time but really I dont see him as bad scum. Unless its really bad scum.
Have you even read the setup?In post 419, JaydragonKing wrote:Alrighty then. Now your going to make any Investigatives not check me for fear of wasting it on a guy getting shot by a "possible" vigilante. And now I'm not going to be proven innocent ever by anyone.
Nice job skitter.
There's only like two potential investigatives, goon cop and tracker, and unless I'm really missing something, I don't think either of them can get a hard inno tonight, so there isn't exactly a way for you to be proven innocent anyways.In post 2, Mathdino wrote:The catch: Town will get two power roles to start with. For every ability mafia selects, I'll deal out an extra power role to the town, to a maximum of 5. The possible power roles:
- Goon Cop
- Roleblocker
- Tracker
- Bodyguard
- Vigilante
- Innocent Child (revealed at Day 1 start)
Well, I'm not entirely sure that it's binary between you and Jay given that you're at L-1 and Jay has one vote, but I think I want to vote him now too.In post 421, Srceenplay wrote:Skitter this is the choice we are stuck with.
In post 428, Sky_Paladin wrote:SkitterSo now we have Screen at L-1 and this is the point where I expect to see movement. It seems you're the only one against it so far.There's like no resistance to it, and a whole bunch of people I find null or scummy seem to want it, and people replacing in are complacent with it. Like there's too much consensus, and it feels wrong in this gamestate for this many people to be OK with it.
IMO Town at this point would rather claim than 1v1 though.
In post 411, Not_Mafia wrote:Screen still town
I don't think it's accurate to say I'm the only one against it? (Yes, they posted before L-1 happened, but literally like three posts before it and Jay had been telegraphing the vote since they replaced in)In post 413, the worst wrote:Srceen's play so far has been messy and trolly but quite pro town. I'm like, confused as to why this wagon is even getting so much traction??
Exactly, and there's been a pattern of people pushing him as PL this game. (see the quotes in 404)In post 429, Sky_Paladin wrote:To be fair Elmo's recent comment about Screen being 'not bad scum' is deeply unsettling.
In post 339, skitter30 wrote:Also for Creature, he's been active recently (ie this morning) elsewhere on site and in other games; it kinda looks like he's actively avoiding this one.
In post 469, skitter30 wrote:For like the sixth time:
In post 339, skitter30 wrote:Also for Creature, he's been active recently (ie this morning) elsewhere on site and in other games; it kinda looks like he's actively avoiding this one.
In post 471, legoboyvdlp wrote:I checked, and yes, he logged in tpday. But did he login before he was replaced?
My point in posting that is that multiple people were asserting he was sitewide inactive between the time he got prodded and the time he got replaced, which isn't true.In post 492, Almost50 wrote:GDI. How many times do I have to point out THIS IS TOTALLY NAI for Creature
I guess this is where our differing POVs come from, because I don't really think that's a scumslip tbh.In post 517, Almost50 wrote:@skitter: Him including the mod in his reads is a scumslip in my book. I'm not lynching him out of anything personal. I genuinely believe he scumslipped in an obvious way.
I disagree with the bolded in that I don't think that the reactions are muddled or difficult to follow.In post 563, Montosh wrote:Yeah, he got reactions, but he got reactions that no one can follow because they're so muddled up in his attempts to create confusion.It seems to me he's going for a "too scummy to be scum" thing. I don't like his play, it's anti-town and he's got a better of flipping scum than anyone else.
I thought the second time he included math was obviously for the lols. And while I agree that I don't especially see town motivation for this, I disagree that there's scum motivation for doing it - it would just lead scum!screen to have to deal with the situation he's in right now, which is kinda what he wants to avoid.In post 580, Montosh wrote:Given that actual pressure was levelled against you for that "lols" post, it seems like trolling at that point and I don't see why town would do it. I can see scum trying to muddle the waters and make it hard to read.
You're like trying to bait someone into lolhammering :/In post 611, JaydragonKing wrote:He abandoned you for something as pitiful as sleep. He's obvs scum for that.
Quick vote and Lynch him before anyone elsa can stop you, NotMaf. Be the true naked quickhammer voter your destined to be.
A few of his early posts mirrored what I was thinking early-game. I'm on my phone now, but I could pull up specifics when I get onto a PC again (maybe this afternoon but prob not till tom night)In post 625, mutantdevle wrote:skitter, you're town reading N_M for his very low effort, barely playing, trolly posts that are NAI for him?
I don't really know how to talk to you about this if you don't know why you think it's forced/fabricated.In post 628, UnaBombaH wrote:Not going to agree or disagree with this list right now, but "bookmarking" it for later use.
I feel like this might be a forced/fabricated list - not sure what gave me that feeling.
IIOA = Information instead of analysisIn post 629, Montosh wrote:On the latter post, yeah that was me starting a new one but then getting sidetracked by screen, so fair enough there. On the former though, the only way I know to scumhunt is to look at people's play and reactions to certain situations and determine if those reactions fit scum play more than town play, which was what I was doing in 570 and the previous post of that nature I made.
Also, what's IIOA?
I'm not entirely sure I understand the distinction you're trying to make tbh.In post 631, Almost50 wrote:@skitter: If you "feel like" Montosh is trying to push a PL, wouldn't that make Montosh likely town already, since it'd be a genuine push (as opposed to explicitly declaring it to be a PL, which could be fake)??
I don't especially believe this tbh, but it'll sort itself out eventually via night actions etc etc soIn post 666, JaydragonKing wrote:... Fuck. I was really hoping to Lynch Screen before momentum was on me. But since there's intent, and I'm probably going to die night one now if I fuck up, I'm going to claim now.
I'm the Town Roleblocker.
I don't especially think this is a scumclaim.In post 676, Almost50 wrote:And THIS IS A SCUMCLAIM! Thanks for letting us know your team picked JOAT (1 shot Strongman, 1 shot Ninja)In post 670, mutantdevle wrote:Aren't you forgetting someone? A50 is the bodyguard. You have 1 night to make your role block usefulIn post 666, JaydragonKing wrote:I'm probably going to die night one now if I fuck up,
@A50, if Jay dies tonight then I will take it as a scum claim from you.
VOTE: mutant
Yeah I agree with you here tbh. I don't think that most of the scum powers are valuable enough that they'd be worth giving town another PR. The only one I'd take would be daytalk cuz I need to be able to post what I'm actually thinking somwhere, and *maybe* traitor, but probably not.In post 683, Espeonage wrote:Ok seriously there are already two prs claimed so what idiotic scum is there that actually picked powers?.
With every claim the chances of a50 being scum skyrocket as does everyone that has no idea what an ev is.
Unless it's like skitter and Elmo or some shit and they figured they can get mileage out of daytalk.
Yeah this post kinda bleeds town and I'm not lynching you.In post 685, Srceenplay wrote:Honestly I probably should be the lynch.
We don’t need to continue to run people up for claims.
Still should use more time to discuss but my lynch is inevitable.
I disagree with this analysis. I think the town PRs are significantly more helpful to town than the scum PRs are helpful to scum; I wouldn't pick any of the scum PRs.In post 692, Almost50 wrote:
:/ This is like super shade-throwing-y.In post 746, Almost50 wrote: A VC is at the pagetop of this very page and you can run down the following 10 posts to know of vote changes. (See how scummy every post you make looks?? If you're truly a VT the YOU SUCK my friend.)
To be clear, I edited the VC in right after post 745. - Math
You can be town now.In post 757, legoboyvdlp wrote:
Eh, I get that a lot.
Why is Una town?In post 775, northsidegal wrote:unabombah is town and i think the wagon on him is pretty bad (page 10).
Kinda? *I* think it was a silly vote to make in the first place, because it's self-resolving. However, *he* thought it was a worthwhile push to make today, so I don't really understand why he unvoted and stopped pushing it. IE he says he thinks he found the traitor, so I don't really get why he unvoted him and just left his vote on no one given that he thought he found a strong candidate for scum.In post 776, northsidegal wrote:skitter, am i misunderstanding something here to say that you're criticizing una for unvoting while also saying that it would be silly to keep his vote there?
Good luck!In post 780, Sky_Paladin wrote:Basically a prod dodge post. I have a job interview in about 48 hours and I need to focus for that. I'll be around and able to read posts but don't expect any walls from me until then.
It's more cuz I thought your progression from scum!screen to town!screen to be very natural and it doesn't seem faked to me, and the analysis in the post I kinda-quoted also gave me town vibes and sort of sealed my impression of town!legoIn post 786, legoboyvdlp wrote:So I'm town for semi-scum-reading Mutant?
I think that this reinforces lego's point that you were PR hunting.In post 789, mutantdevle wrote:The intent to hammer was 100% purely for the claim.
So I don't really get why you were complacent with his lynch earlier 'in the hope that he is scum this time' if screen was a townlean (321).In post 789, mutantdevle wrote:This entire game he has been in my "town lean but needs a closer analysis as so many people scum read him" pile. As part of my catchup, I intend to look into him a bit more to see if I agree with the town's opinion that he's scummy scum
In post 789, mutantdevle wrote:This entire gamehe has been in my "town lean but needs a closer analysis as so many people scum read him" pile.
So, which was it? Like can you clarify what your read on him was in 321, and also what your read was when you posted intent?In post 794, mutantdevle wrote:^^wasn't a town lean then. He was null when I said i'd be okay with his lynch.
I don't really get why your willingness to hammer was independent of reads but instead based on whether or not he claimed. Like I'm not sure why the bolded didn't apply to the first scenario?In post 794, mutantdevle wrote:Either:
Screen L-1 --> No role claim, requests intent --> I post intent --> Screen refuses to claim --> I hammer.
OR (and preferably):
Screen L-1 --> No role claim, requests intent --> I post intent --> Screen role claims --> People unvote -->We don't have to lynch someone who would probably lynch town.
My intent was an intent to hammer if there was no role claim. It was not an intent to hammer based on reads. A role claim of literally anything put an end to my intent.Had I been scum, a VT role claim would have allowed me to hammer since it's reasonable to hammer someone who has claimed a role of low importance.
So, like, what's the point of stating intent in order to make him claimm? You say you weren't explicitly PR fishing ... but the more VT claims that there are the easier it is for scum to PoE who the PRs might be. No matter what he claimed, you helped scum out by forcing him to do so.In post 794, mutantdevle wrote:I had no intention of PR hunting there and I can assure you I have no need to know who the PRs are here unless they feel they have something to share by claiming.
I don't disagree with you that Jay looks rather scummy. We're still not lynching a claimed PR day1.In post 841, northsidegal wrote:by the way, i'm skeptical towards the idea that the pr claims will "resolve themselves". town roleblocker is a pretty weak role and one that i could definitely see scum leaving alive. in fact, picture the game state going into the night from the perspective of scum – there are two pr claims that you can shoot, both of whom people have heavily scumread and both of whom people are relying on getting shot by scum to sort, both of whom don't pose a lot of threat to you. why shoot either of them?
Right, and the more you push this the more reason scum have to allow this scenario to take place. You're creating WIFOM over the slot that, if town, creates the oppurtunity for a mislynch.In post 865, northsidegal wrote:i never said that we should lynch you tomorrow or that i'm doing this specifically to protect you. what i said is that saying that "it'll sort itself come tomorrow" isn't actually anything sorting itself, it's just metaphorically kicking the can down the road, and thatifyou are town, it is a good thing that i'm doing this, not that i am doing this because i think you are town.
Flips today/tonight, and if anyone cc's - a mass claim is kinda inevitable at some point imo. Day 1 town has the least amount of info, and we just don't have flips to work with. Tomorrow we'll have more info.In post 878, northsidegal wrote:so what new information do you think will help resolve the jay slot? please help me understand this, because from my perspective this is just kicking the can down the road on someone who i scumread.
As scum, if you're planning on dealing with Jay by leaving him alive, you kinda need to build up that paranoia so as to make him mislynchable. In a vacuum (ie without this discussion), I don't think he's getting lynched soonish on claims, and by pushing this line of reasoning, Jay's slot has become controversial enough that he can be left alive and has probably become mislynchable, maybe even for today.In post 878, northsidegal wrote:why's that? why do i make this point clear as scum when i could just silently do the scum strategy that i suggested and leave jay alive? why do i draw massive amounts of attention to myself through this?
Disagree. I think it's a good scum tactic to create enough WIFOM over a sketchy town!PR's non-death in order to make them mislynchable - it's a great way imo to handle a PR without actually having to nk them.In post 879, Almost50 wrote:I strongly disagree. I think what NSG is doing a good job in exploring the most unlikely of scenarios and considering all possibilities. Scum already know if Jay is faking or not, and cannot afford to keep him alive to -say- D3, lest he blocks the kill and thus claim a guilty on one of them. If they do let him live that long it's their own loss.In post 872, skitter30 wrote:You're creating WIFOM over the slot that, if town, creates the oppurtunity for a mislynch.
P-edit: Good point by NSG. Titus almost always claims an existing PR in open setups when put @L-1 as Scum in order to draw a CC and help her team still.
This one for the worst?In post 856, northsidegal wrote:eh, really it's just been the thing that more people have asked about, so that's what i've been talking about. if you'd like to discuss something else, here's a "hot take" – the worst is scum who's been coasting along, giving a lot of commentary on other people but without ever really getting into a conversation himself or pushing anything himself. really – read though his iso and take a look at how much of it is giving thoughts on other people or updates on his thoughts, and how little of it is actually pushing a point. reading through it also instinctually felt different to the one newbie game i saw him in, where he was town.
@nsg: so I had gotten this vibe from the worst and I think that a lot of the sheeping-ness stems from here and I'm not sure if it's AI tbh.In post 891, the worst wrote:Apologies for the more deader activity, I'm in two games currently (which is something I promised myself I wouldn't do while I'm still a n00b). This is my 2nd game on the site. FTR out of respect to town and the mod's activity requirements if my activity will remain poor/get worse I'll replace out.
Lol, yeah I tend to have a *presence* when I'm town.In post 891, the worst wrote:Skitter I am sheeping a little while I don't feel like I can be strongly influential. Also I think you're town which makes you v easy to gravitate towards.
I kinda want to apply this to montosh tbh, especially those catch-up IIOA posts he'd been making.In post 856, northsidegal wrote: if you'd like to discuss something else, here's a "hot take" – the worst is scum who's been coasting along, giving a lot of commentary on other people but without ever really getting into a conversation himself or pushing anything himself. really – read though his iso and take a look at how much of it is giving thoughts on other people or updates on his thoughts, and how little of it is actually pushing a point.
This is really funny lololololIn post 868, Sky_Paladin wrote:Sky_Paladin - posts are sparse but excellent, the very pinnacle of what town should aspire to.
So, this is an interesting voting bloc, and you're positing that esp/una work together as a team, and that mutant also has a significant chance of being scum.In post 868, Sky_Paladin wrote:mutant -
This troubling vote block at 150:
♣ Almost50 (3): Espeonage, UnaBombaH, mutantdevle
Concerns me.
Mutant empty unvoted while he was at three votes and failed to vote on the Screen wagon and called everybody on it sheep.
Has failed to have a vote for almost the entire game. Probably indicative of scum MO.
I've been mulling this over, and I think that this reasoning has some equity.In post 868, Sky_Paladin wrote:Montosh - My pick for scum traitor. Slot needs to exist. Isolated players are unlikely to be scum pairs though so undecided for now.
I'm not really voting for PR hunting, and I don't really think that's such a big deal tbh. Screen was at L-1, and he asked for a claim.In post 928, northsidegal wrote:If anyone was pr hunting, it was sky.
can we not lynch mutant, or can someone explain the wagon on him?
more detailed response(s) soon.
In post 404, skitter30 wrote:Also the more I look at that mutant quote the more I really don't like it, especially because he isn't even putting his money where his mouth is and voting screen after saying that. He's contributing to this general air of complacency for the wagon du jour of the day but isn't doing anything to advance or it to take responsibility for it.
OK, maybe this is a terminology thing:In post 942, mutantdevle wrote:It’s shit like this that makes me scum lean you. Una never pushed A50. Una placed a vote with a reason, I agreed with said reason, developed it, pushed it, and then unvoted when there was no traction.In post 938, skitter30 wrote: I'm voting because I don't like how he piggy-backed off of Una's push on A50,I don’t recall Una actually doing anything about A50 during that entire conversation I had with him.
After he gave like six examples of crumbing as town.In post 174, mutantdevle wrote:That’s how you do the convincing thing.
UNVOTE:
Time to sleep and then go to work for a full day. I’ll be back in 18-20 hours.
I'm kinda more considered about the Screen thing than the A50 thing tbh, and I don't think you ever addressed that even though I brought it up a few times?In post 942, mutantdevle wrote:It’s shit like this that makes me scum lean you. Una never pushed A50. Una placed a vote with a reason, I agreed with said reason, developed it, pushed it, and then unvoted when there was no traction. I don’t recall Una actually doing anything about A50 during that entire conversation I had with him.In post 938, skitter30 wrote: I'm voting because I don't like how he piggy-backed off of Una's push on A50,
I kinda think that we should be consolidating wagons now given that there's ~3 days left.In post 954, the worst wrote:Fun fact: if Lego or Mutant flip groupscum I v much doubt they took daychat.
Still enough time to empty vote my bigger scumread (sorry dude)
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lego
Whoever you think scum is. Basically what I'm looking for is for you to take a stance, and demonstrate conviction by acting upon it.In post 974, mutantdevle wrote:Who do you want me to vote?
Right, and I'm saying that refusing to become engaged because you might be lynched is scummy.In post 981, mutantdevle wrote:I’ve not been too engaged with this game so am yet to push anyone. I’m now in a position where I could be more engaged but refuse to do so whilst there is a high chance I am to be lynched. My reads list was by no means an attempt to push anyone and simply serves as a way to clearly express my opinions on everyone should you need such information after my death.