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Hello guys, it's a hemorrhagic pleasure to replace in.
Some voices told me to come and, well, here I am.
Let's win this.
We do have some games together, yeah, sometimes my memory is bad.In post 189, Umlaut wrote:Clidd always does that, you learn to ignore it. (My working theory is that people whose L1 is a Romance language will prefer English words that look "familiar" to them, which are usually fancy Latin-derived words rather than common Germanic ones.)In post 172, DkKoba wrote:clidd ur using too big words and my brain hurts
Anyway, I like what I'm seeing of clidd's reads. Except, for some reason, his townread on me? He's denying we have any meta to speak of even though we had a few... er, memorable games together, and I don't really understand how being able to cite a recent game as evidence for "broadcasting I'm-just-a-newb can be a scumtell" is in any way indicative of my alignment.
I get it that you're saying that "it is what it is" but I'm trying to understand you here.In post 202, Zulfy wrote:You are free to not believe me but that's what it was.In post 198, clidd wrote:Idk, it seemed to me that you were pushing Chumbo for meh reasons that didn't work. You actually gave more reasons to vote for Chumbo than necessarily for Fuzzy.
I am not buying into the idea of being a pressure distribution or a reaction provocation.
In post 203, ben dover123 wrote:Sounds good, clidd.In post 201, clidd wrote:I mean, my scumgame is probably better than my towngame. Although my scum roll is almost nonexistent.
But as long as you keep an open mind, avoid confbias and are constantly evaluating me in good faith, I shouldn't be a problem.
I think I'll go log off now and look at the reasons for why Zulfy is scum tmrw because I'm hella tired. Goodnight!
So apparently I'll have to look for it.In post 206, Zulfy wrote:I'm sorry I don't. I don't even remember the last time I was scum.In post 204, clidd wrote:Do you have any completed scumgame to link?
In post 180, Zulfy wrote:Can u tell us why
and yea sure let me go ahead with that:
Eloisa: Town just the whole thinking seems to line up with reality, which is to say her logic is the same as my logic so we're good. If I town read anyone it's her.
Koba: The sort who wolfs as town or scum.
You: The same as always, i.e. verbose and such. I will be patient.
Madoisha: Seems okay for now. Appreciating the effort.
Ben dover: Have honestly completely skipped past em in my skimming.
Umlaut: Nothing out of the ordinary. Kinda just waiting to see what happens here. The more he posts the better the game will be I think.
I'm forgetting two people idk who tho
The format you made here was very similar to that of your last scumgame.Micro 946 - Mafia Strongman:
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Gypyx: Newbie northern european? teen.
Non Compos Mentis (NCM): someone's alt
Logicaltist (Logic): try-hard intro. Gonna vote u
*20: were you really thinking that really
Votato: Finally some color in the thread. Awkward intro nvm gonna vote u instead. Not the IC lol.
inutile: Fun username. I look forward to more investigative work from u
Allomancer: Fix up that attitude bud
Elbrin: Elbirn?
superbowl9: nothing to say. Maybe you last two also didn't get a thread link.
And to contextualize the excerpt in bold, Umlaut, the reason is that I don't think he's actually trying to solve the game.In post 212, clidd wrote:I'm not sure if I'm vibing with Nepenthe town.
But I agree with a pool of you, Maduisha, Ben and me.
Idk if you would have reasons to feel discouraged as town here.In post 247, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I might have to replace out.... Still trying to balance between school, life and this game
more later today
It's a good example, but the game is from 2018 and Fuzzy's style may have changed a lot since then.In post 248, Umlaut wrote:Fuzzy, please don't threaten to replace out. Do it or don't, but don't say anything about it in thread, per site rules.
As I recall Fuzzy was serious limbait in the other game we sort-of played together, Mini 2014, somehow managing to get himself eliminated on Day 1 after claiming cop in an open setup without a counterclaim. (I say "sort of" because I replaced in on Day 2, so I read the earlier posts but I wasn't really there for them and we never interacted.) Might need to go look at their posting in that game again and see if whatever got them scumread is similar to this game.
i feel like this is so much talking to express a simple idea, which i usually think is scum indicative. town is generally way more to the point, as they don't have to try too hard to look like they're contributing whereas it's in maf's best interest to maximize everything so it looks like they have "content" and are proactive. i call bluff.
It's fine, as long as you keep sharing what you're thinking, without filters.In post 273, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Clidd
I am taking 12 credits this semester so school is keeping me busy. Friday Satuarday and Sundays are my free days so those days will likely have better post as I will have more time to post, Those A's dont magically appears out of nowhere.
On the surface, it seemed like a towny stance, because Dk is a naturally noisy player and difficult to eliminate if they are town, although I don't know exactly whether Lenora is aware of that fact, so maybe scum!Lenora would be less inclined to try to formalize reasons to push Dk based on the initial aggressiveness demonstrated, which would point to town!Lenora not understanding how their playstyle works and interpreting their line of actions as scummy (and interested in elucidating the read). On the other hand, I can't get an idea of what Lenora's scum range is and depending on her competence as scum, such type of questioning could be very easy to emulate. I say this because I have already played against scum who can build genuine push (Flavorleaf), and I, in particular, would also be able to formulate something like that without much difficulty as scum.Hm, I see, I hadn't considered the possibility of alt accounts. Well, I understand that you want to continue the evaluation of the slot and especially not townread based on newbie behavior, but a part of what I pointed out before has to do with the way she approached DK's slot rather than the newbie posting, so I would like to know if you found it towny too or if I'm alone in this.
As far as I remember, town!Ben played very ping-pong (changing his mind in short periods of time) in our last game, so I don't know if his reevaluation here is necessarily scummy. The reason he assigned is meh, not good, but Ben is Ben, so he probably has an explanation for it in his head. At least that's what I expect from him.I'm not exactly sure what to think of these Ben posts read together. At first I thought he was coinciding with me in that Zulfy is kinda fishy but not necessarily scum, but now the accusation about him setting up others as targets is worrying me, because the player Zulfy is supposedly "setting up" is the current leading wagon, and I'm wondering if Ben is just re-evaluating the slot because the game state doesn't make much sense to him, or because he's actually slowly trying to pivot off from Fuzzy for other reasons.
The impression I got was that scum!Fulzy was trying to set a kind of chain between Chumbo/Fuzzy that would give him the flexibility to push in a scenario where the Fuzzy flip was town. But with the recent changes resulting from my entry, he would find himself having to change his approach, as it would be clear to him that there would be no push support on me. The problem is that there isn't a 0% chance of him being town and me confbiasing in my initial impression + meta to unconsciously conclude that he is scum and interpreting how his actions would be explained from that point on, so I really do need him more engaged with the game to check if I can see any indication that I am wrong (or confirm that I'm right).Well, it's more like I feel that Zulfy is taking his pressure on Fuzzy too far if he is supposed to be applying equal pressure to his SR's. Like, if Fuzzy flips town then it feels like Zulfy could just plop onto the clidd/Chumbo slot later.
Although it seems I missed some context as Zulfy changed his read on clidd's slot after he replaced in, so I think I'm missing something here.
I agree, but there are some contextual differences from player to player. There are people who don't like to play scum and naturally have a limited scum range, failing to replicate the effort in an organic way compared to their towngame. On the other hand, there are players who are able to replicate the effort independent of alignment and are able to break tells and expectations in scumgames, but few in my opinion are able to do that. In the context of Fuzzy, I don't think he has a broad scumgame from what I observed in my research, so as the game progresses and he continues to constantly share his thoughts, it is very likely that he will become obvscum or obvtown, as I noticed that he finds it difficult to maintain an authenticity/consistency of thought in the medium and long term (as scum).Effort isn't really a good tell since if scum tries hard they can pour effort into basically everything. What I'm looking for is how original Fuzzy's ideas are. I think that's much more important then putting in a lot of effort into his reads.
i'd appreciate it if you regard me based on my play in this game rather than based on how town!Lenora or scum!Lenora would act. i think the things i pointed out were objectively scummy and not countered properly - i made it very clear the aggressiveness wasn't the reason for my push
The stuff you said about Dk, in their context as a player, is NAI and I didn't see any very substantial opinions of yours about other slots that I could look at and say "oh, this is 100% towny beyond surface and I have a hard time seeing scum manufacturing", so regardless of whether I don't know your meta, by play I don't think you're anything but null to me at the moment. But yeah, sure, I will pay more attention to your play from now on.i'm still agreeing with mad and nep the most /shrug. i liked nep's take on clidd being over-explainy
if dkkoba's behavior was a playstyle thing, then i'm sure i'll see with the new person and change my mind if they're towny
I need to see the process by which you arrived at Lenora and Nep as solid town, but you will probably explain eventually. Regarding the case in which you attributed a scum!Umlaut mentality to the sequence of posts between 29-246, I find it interesting the intention to bring this kind of vision (as I don't see a specific benefit for scum!you to raise suspicions about Umlaut rn using such pretext, considering that scum!you could bring a better base of meta to give more credibility to the case or use more empathetic reasons), but I still don't agree with the inference that you had. I would have to do some mental gymnastics and start from the conclusion "Umlaut is scum" to interpret his posts in this way.In post 288, Cabd wrote:1/10
As I catch up I have a solid town core of {lenora, nepenthe, Maduisha, Clidd} (not necessarily in that order) and a fairly significant scumread on Umlaut.
VOTE: Umlaut
Here's what gut-pinged me in the Umlaut ISO.... it's giving me feelings of "annoyed that the pool is shrinking" from him. (BORKTELL!!!!) Feels like there's pushback on anything that could at all softclear a player on day one. For example, a player having great posts then not posting for a bit doesn't change the contents of those initial posts?
Spoiler: ISO with Highlights
No, unfortunately we haven't played together yet, but it's refreshing for me to know that I'm not the only one who uses meta in this way. Nice to meet you, btw o/In post 290, Cabd wrote:2/10
Clidd, I don't think we have played together before? Your post 220 is literally something I could have done and posted myself in a vacuum. It's rare to find people who use meta this way, other than myself and sometimes fferyllt.
It feels so incredibly self-indulging but I kind of want you to apply your technique to me just to see what it feels like from the other side! But only if you actually feel the need to. Don't waste your time if you've gotten a read on me in other forms.
Hum, I believe that the context of the game you mentioned was quite different in size, playerlist and setup, so I'm not sure if it would make much sense for you to approach the current game with this kind of mentality (because the context here is quite different, especially the pace of the gamestate) and, particularly, the instance of saving/not showing reads is also something I've seen scum using to simulate a towny approach (as scum!FL did in the past game with me), but I'll consider it NAI until I see if you'll get some spicy take using this approach or not.Spoiler: Tangent
I'm not sure if Fuzzy + Cabd work as a scum pair imo and I have some seeds of doubt in my head about Fuzzy being scum here, but I understand where you are coming from.In post 297, Umlaut wrote:Hmm, it's early still to try and call it like this but maybe it's just Cabd-Fuzzy? DkKoba had nothing to say about Fuzzy or his wagon despite it being the closest thing to a consensus scumread in the game, and Fuzzy's own read on DkKoba is... well.Pretty fence-sitty and "I don't know what to think" and can easily fit a scum agenda of not wanting to solidify a read one way or the other on one's buddy.In post 252, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Dakoba- the first few post of Koba were blah. 150 is okay I guess. I would like to hear what exactly the approach Zufy took that gave Koba the scum read. I like the pressure she is putting on Madisha here 159. I read Koba other posts and honestly, there was nothing there. I dont what to make out of her drop in quality
Yes, the pace is too slow.In post 314, Maduisha wrote:D1 ends in 11h...
There are multiple idle people + Zulfy has been gone for 3 days and a half...
This game has been pretty weird so far.
Yes, it is exactly the same conclusion I am having, although I have additional reasons, in addition to the ones you mentioned, for not being able to view both as SvS.In post 321, Maduisha wrote:Yeah, I don't wanna get lost into scumpair theorycrafting considering there are 0 flips to work with and I've already got lost thinking about scum!Zulfy scumpair scenarios, but something about how nitpicky Cabd's post was in 304 combined with Fuzzy's response waving it away made me feel that they're unlikely together. Cabd was already comfortably pushing Umlaut even if nobody else voted with him, scum!Cabd has no reason to push scum!Fuzzy in a nitpicky way when the majority of players suspected him already for other reasons that are agreed on. And if it were to be orchestrated to make scum!Cabd look townier for "catching scum", I think that Fuzzy wouldn't have just "canceled" Cabd's argument by saying "that was not what I meant by being active."In post 315, clidd wrote:I'm not sure if Fuzzy + Cabd work as a scum pair imo and I have some seeds of doubt in my head about Fuzzy being scum here, but I understand where you are coming from.
I see no scenario in which this is SvS and benefits them in any way. I really shouldn't be speaking like this pre-flips, but that's what my gut is telling me.
From what I understand, your case is more extreme, because you literally set up a database and stored useful information about a lot of players. I believe that I am more limited in this aspect, because I research individually and according to the games in which I am participating. But it seems to be a good challenge, although the impression I'm getting from all this dialogue is difficult to fit in a scenario of scum!you explaining about these things to me. Another point is that your predecessor (Dkkoba) has a more proactive scumgame, where they literally take action in the early-game and, before being banned, I didn't feel them trying to do that here. It seemed more like an apathetic town!Dkkoba than anything else. So, because of that, I already have a certain bias about my read on you and it is likely that this will be transmitted to my meta analysis and influence the final result.The answer I expected, but consider it a challenge from a play style comrade, to see if you get to the right spot on me in the end. (Assuming you're in a slot that genuinely has to, obviously!) My custom title on this account is due to the way I used to play before I had a hiatus from the site- I had a digital binder fuill of play style tells for every active player on the site, and was watching literally every single ongoing game on the site at once, using free time and my extreme speed-read ability. Now I have a job, wife, and kid..... so that just can't happen as fast. My limit is playing two games at once, and following 3-5 non-me games at most.
Indeed. It should be taken as NAI as I can cite several games of both alignments I have personally done so over my 7+ year tenure on this site, not even counting the years before that on my old home site.
That said, and this might be TMI so let's call it tangent part the third:
Spoiler: Tangent, Third of His Name
I see. I still have a problem considering that Umlaut is scum for these reasons, but I think I can understand what kind of gutping you probably had.In post 325, Cabd wrote:You're not that far off, regarding starting points. Umlaut is a gutping, and then I went back through the ISO to try and quantify what exactly was setting off the subtle alarm bells, in the hopes of feeling out other's reactions to the same points once highlighted and given daylight.In post 310, clidd wrote:start from the conclusion "Umlaut is scum"
I don't have a particular rock-townread that i can use to bounce thoughts off of, so "at large to the ether" is the next best thing.
In post 346, Zulfy wrote:Nepenthe is null and I got my eye on clidd. Just really have my eye on the guy. That's chumbo.In post 344, Cabd wrote:So you dislike both of {nepenthe, clidd} or which one?In post 341, Zulfy wrote:To be clear lenora and Maduisha are green to me
So this is wrong? ^In post 163, Sirius9121 wrote:Official Vote Count
Zulfy(2): Umlaut, DkKoba
TheFuzzylogic99(1): Zulfy
ben dover123(1): Chumbo
Chumbo(1): Maduisha
DkKoba(1): lenora
Not Voting(3): TheFuzzylogic99, ben dover123, nepenthe
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-25 15:14:00)
clidd replaces Chumbo. Please welcome them!