mini normal 2226; who won

Titus · Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:33 pm

In post 12, Seanzie wrote:
In post 11, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm for being the temperature of a tauntaun.
VOTE: Alchemist21 no townie would ever subject the rest of town to this pun.

I feel lukewarm about this push.

VOTE: Seanzie

Titus · Post Post #74 (isolation #1) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:28 am

I actually mindmelded with Flubber but I take things very literally. So I am guessing that there's a tonal aspect to things.

I feel Umlaut flips scum here though.

VOTE: Umlaut

Happy Birthday. Sorry you got a red pm for it.

Titus · Post Post #127 (isolation #2) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:45 am

In post 115, T3 wrote:
In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.

More votes on Flub plz
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrong
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?
That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.

I'd do it.

Titus · Post Post #129 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:47 am

In post 117, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1, tris wrote:IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTE;
There are exactly three players in this game that have access to private topics.
This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.

That would leave 2 scum for the entire game if one town was in a neighborhood at the start of the game.

Titus · Post Post #130 (isolation #4) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:48 am

In post 128, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 117, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1, tris wrote:IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTE;
There are exactly three players in this game that have access to private topics.
This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.
I had the sense to check on it, it's only valid for the start of the game

Has to be. Otherwise the mod is confirming certain roles don't exist and that's just not cool in a normal game.

Titus · Post Post #141 (isolation #5) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:43 am

In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote:But Titus since you’re here got any reads to share?

I'm leaning Umlaut scum but I don't have any strong reads yet.

Titus · Post Post #149 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:09 am

Titus · Post Post #151 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:09 am

Teamwork

Titus · Post Post #160 (isolation #8) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:50 am

I feel like Vulture is swooping in like a Vulture

Titus · Post Post #201 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:54 am

In post 163, Aristeia wrote:Does anyone think Flubber is townie?

I do. I felt the same way Flubber did about the posts that got him in trouble.

Titus · Post Post #202 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:55 am

In post 171, Lukewarm wrote:Datisis feels town to me.

Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.

I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.

VOTE: Aristeia

I had the same thought. I get the feeling Ari might need to give me a cookie.

Titus · Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:56 am

In post 184, Aristeia wrote:
Close to My Heart: Datisi

Beneath the Sky: Lukewarm, Umlaut, Seanzie

Sea of Dreams: Gamma Emerald, Titus, T3

Waves upon the Shore: ChaosOmega, Meg

The Long Winding Road: Alchemist, Flubber, Vulture

I don't get the Umlaut townread.

Titus · Post Post #204 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:57 am

In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.

I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.

Titus · Post Post #339 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:46 am

In post 205, Umlaut wrote:Titus, what are you actually scumreading about me? The way you're picking that alone out of all Aristeia's reads, you must feel pretty strongly about it.

Tone right now. You don't feel right and the townreads on you make little sense, so I am pushing there.

Titus · Post Post #340 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:47 am

In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.

This is vague. Town are looking to catch the bad guys. This is tantamount to saying Umlaut is town because he's town. It's circular.

Titus · Post Post #342 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:49 am

In post 195, Aristeia wrote:I feel like I can trust you and you will protect me from all the evils in this world.

I see this and feel like I couldn't keep you in jail even if I wanted to. This is bad trying to save yourself.

Titus · Post Post #343 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:50 am

In post 199, Umlaut wrote:I preliminarily like Vulture for town but there's not enough there for a strong read.

How about not?

Titus · Post Post #345 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:52 am

In post 215, Aristeia wrote:
In post 204, Titus wrote:I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.
He enters the thread and comments on thing he believes to be most suspicious, he doesn't waste time with commenting on things he does not care about.

I find the clarity of purpose and focus to be townie.

Scum have agendas too and routinely ignore things that don't help their cause.

Why do you feel Umlaut believes his suspicions? Where does he do this? What has he ignored that's townie?

Titus · Post Post #347 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:54 am

In post 226, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 208, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 204, Titus wrote:
In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.
I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.
looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titus
Titus comes in and backs Flubbed up.

Flubber comes in and backs Titus up.

And both were for issues y’all were in the minority on. I don’t think 2 scum buddies would be this blatant with each other but it’s really feeling like at least one of you is scum.

VOTE: Flubber

Yuck

Titus · Post Post #385 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:11 pm

In post 241, Gamma Emerald wrote:anyone have questions for me?

Hmmm...townish here

Titus · Post Post #386 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 289, T3 wrote:
In post 274, Gamma Emerald wrote:Before I post my reasons for TRing Aristeia, I have a bit of an odd question for Datisi:
Would you rather be a one-shot bulletproof or one-shot vigilante?
Oh, I know what's going on.

If we're right, I am a total jerk, sorry not sorry.

Titus · Post Post #387 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:19 pm

In post 305, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 302, T3 wrote:I shouldn't say.
How so? The more you evade, the more I’ll be convinced of my own picture of the situation, and trust me, it wouldn’t be a good one for you.

*facepalm* You have the subtlety of a jackhammer and that's coming from ME!

Titus · Post Post #388 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:22 pm

In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

I'm ok with

Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.

Titus · Post Post #389 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.

T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta

Titus · Post Post #390 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:28 pm

VOTE: Meg

@Gamma, Sorry I can't invent a good reason here. Guess I'll have to be a sheep. I guess our creativity will have to start tomorrow.

Titus · Post Post #391 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:32 pm

By the way, I don't think I am ever voting Gamma this game unless I have horribly read things wrong. I'm definitely not today.

Titus · Post Post #393 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:41 pm

In post 388, Titus wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
I'm ok with

Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.

All the people above, please suggest my tier 2 townies tyia

Titus · Post Post #395 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:48 pm

In post 394, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 393, Titus wrote:
In post 388, Titus wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
I'm ok with

Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.
All the people above, please suggest my tier 2 townies tyia
I don't know what you are saying here, can you rephrase?

The names I have listed are my locktowns.

I want y'all to fill out the no lim pool.

Then we go to town and axe murder someone.

Titus · Post Post #397 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:01 pm

I am reluctant but ok with no Umlaut today. Ari I'd vote those toxic posts away.

Titus · Post Post #399 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:13 pm

In post 398, Lukewarm wrote:I have a strong preference to a Chaos > Meg elim day 1.

I think that they are both about equally scummy, but Meg having actually no opinions in thread means that we don't get any associatives from a Meg flip.

Relatable opinion. If there was a choice between those two, I'd see your point. It's Flubber v Meg though and a scum vote is better than a town one.

Titus · Post Post #402 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:22 pm

Ok. Well if it's in my murderize vote there, I am good.

I just want to end this day before I have to inform people about restless leg syndrome or the history of torture as a political investigation tool.

Titus · Post Post #403 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 401, Lukewarm wrote:We still have over a week on the dead line, so I am not really ready to compromise vote

Who said we must use all the time? Limit crumb potential and spam.

Titus · Post Post #407 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:49 pm

In post 404, Lukewarm wrote:
Pagetop counterTris -------- 7
Luke ------- 3
T3 --------- 3
Dats ------- 3
Alchemist --1

I must say that the fact that we are all losing to the mod is a bit sad... smh

Spoiler:
especially a mod who has page top failed a couple of time so far
In post 96, tris wrote:
i'm just going to leave that there. i don't know why i thought i was going to get a pagetop lol

In post 146, tris wrote:
ok, this is embarrassing
<3 you tris

I have an aversion to pagetops.

Titus · Post Post #417 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:34 am

In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 389, Titus wrote:
In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.
T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta

In post 397, Titus wrote:I am reluctant but ok with no Umlaut today. Ari I'd vote those toxic posts away.
Toxic how?

Should have said poisonous or extremely unhealthy. Toxic implies they wreck the game and that's not what I was going for.

Titus · Post Post #418 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:35 am

In post 411, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also would add Alchemist to the D1 pass group, looking over Luke’s list

Alright.

Titus · Post Post #419 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:36 am

In post 415, T3 wrote:
In post 389, Titus wrote:
In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.
T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta
What game was that?

Deco, your dying post on D2 before being nightkilled was Wheme was meta town.

Titus · Post Post #420 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:38 am

In post 416, Datisi wrote:
In post 388, Titus wrote:Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.

In post 395, Titus wrote:The names I have listed are my locktowns.
uh. usually i would comment on the another iteration of my name, but this is more interesting - how do you have flubber as *locktown*? i'd understand being townie on him, but locktown?

When he read the intro the same way I did, he became locktown to me. I have never had that with scum.

Titus · Post Post #424 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:21 am

In post 422, T3 wrote:
In post 419, Titus wrote:
In post 415, T3 wrote:
In post 389, Titus wrote:
In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.
T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta
What game was that?
Deco, your dying post on D2 before being nightkilled was Wheme was meta town.
uh
wat?
Deco I was limmed Day 3 andWheme wasn't in the game.

My bad Battle for Calculasia

MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

Titus · Post Post #477 (isolation #38) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:00 am

In post 476, MathBlade wrote:
In post 74, Titus wrote:I actually mindmelded with Flubber but I take things very literally. So I am guessing that there's a tonal aspect to things.

I feel Umlaut flips scum here though.

VOTE: Umlaut

Happy Birthday. Sorry you got a red pm for it.
So pretty much from this post alone Flubber is probably TvT.

Titus saw a bit of herself in Flubber and is reacting emotionally in the moment rather than a strategic play.
Which also makes her read on Umlaut likely utter garbage.

Gee thanks. Nice to see you too.

Titus · Post Post #479 (isolation #39) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:03 am

Math, if you think I am town, we are ending the day on anyone not in my townblock. Thanks in advance.

Titus · Post Post #482 (isolation #40) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:08 am

In post 480, MathBlade wrote:
In post 477, Titus wrote:
In post 476, MathBlade wrote:
In post 74, Titus wrote:I actually mindmelded with Flubber but I take things very literally. So I am guessing that there's a tonal aspect to things.

I feel Umlaut flips scum here though.

VOTE: Umlaut

Happy Birthday. Sorry you got a red pm for it.
So pretty much from this post alone Flubber is probably TvT.

Titus saw a bit of herself in Flubber and is reacting emotionally in the moment rather than a strategic play.
Which also makes her read on Umlaut likely utter garbage.
Gee thanks. Nice to see you too.
Nice to see you too.

Sorry I just woke up and probably could have wordsmithed that better but yeah that Umlaut vote is weird at best.

What do you make of my chaos/Alch/Aristeia theory?

It's a theory I can roll with. Right now, I am willing to vote anyone not in my townblock.

Titus · Post Post #484 (isolation #41) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:13 am

Titus is in the T3 fanclub.

P.S. Fypov, I'd vote chaos. It has momentum out of your picks.

Titus · Post Post #487 (isolation #42) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:17 am

Either, we end this day in a hurry or we use a lot of words to say nothing. Stuff needs to be obfuscated.

Titus · Post Post #492 (isolation #43) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:24 am

In post 489, MathBlade wrote:
In post 487, Titus wrote:Either, we end this day in a hurry or we use a lot of words to say nothing. Stuff needs to be obfuscated.
Not any more it doesn’t. Assuming you’re town, you have just told scum there’s something to look for so there’s nothing to obfuscate unless you’re wrong. So I hereby say you’re wrong and there’s nothing to look for. Or you could have just let me continue my regular catch-up which sometimes buries things.

Why didn't you consider that I'm mindfucking you to look for things that don't exist so I have pointless content to engage with or I post while spamming to hide my partner's scumslip?

Stuff needs to be obfuscated lmao.

I could also be sarcastic partially.

Titus · Post Post #494 (isolation #44) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:28 am

If I was modding, the scumteam would have a PT to be normal and treat discord as a feature not role related.

Titus · Post Post #497 (isolation #45) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:31 am

Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?

Titus · Post Post #504 (isolation #46) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:42 am

In post 499, MathBlade wrote:
In post 497, Titus wrote:Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?
1>Because your reads so far seem to be emotionally based crap.
2> Just because you see something doesn’t mean scum will. Calling attention to something existing just makes scum hunt for it. Best to just not talk about it and hope it goes away.

Pedit:

Hi. I think you’re scum care to convince me you’re not?

What if I'm a special little person who needs to be sure my logic is tracked?

Titus · Post Post #567 (isolation #47) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:26 pm

In post 562, MathBlade wrote:My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?

Because Starwars is great. Long love the society. Especially an overjoyed run of making bread of sausages. Specially 10 leaves.

Titus · Post Post #568 (isolation #48) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 560, Datisi wrote:all i saw earlier was "titus has had bad reads so they can be tvt", i hadn't seen Actual Reasons for her to be town, but to be fair i have been skimming a lot too so

I don't mind a FoS or two, as long as my townreads live. I can play crazy.

Titus · Post Post #569 (isolation #49) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 567, Titus wrote:
In post 562, MathBlade wrote:My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?
Because Starwars is great. Long love the society. Especially an overjoyed run of making bread of sausages. Specially 10 leaves.

Parker can secure the prize.

Go be Sophie.

Titus · Post Post #570 (isolation #50) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 565, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 562, MathBlade wrote:because Star Wars?
This always the best reason to do anything.

Pirate Mollie would agree.

Titus · Post Post #572 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:46 pm

In post 571, MathBlade wrote:
In post 569, Titus wrote:
In post 567, Titus wrote:
In post 562, MathBlade wrote:My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?
Because Starwars is great. Long love the society. Especially an overjoyed run of making bread of sausages. Specially 10 leaves.
Parker can secure the prize.

Go be Sophie.
You realize I am a horrible Sophie when town right?

Ugh why couldn’t I be Hardison?

Let’s just hope I don’t fork this up.

I have the forks.

Hardison is overjoyed.

Titus · Post Post #574 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:55 pm

In post 573, MathBlade wrote:Besides Umlaut (who you’ve repeated is scum repeatedly) who do you have a scumread on and why?

I'm not sure who is scum. I'm content with everyone in my pool fighting each other.

Titus · Post Post #576 (isolation #53) » Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:09 pm

In post 575, MathBlade wrote:See here’s the situation I am in. Assume scum kill you tonight, then you have left nothing really tangible to go towards. If you’re flash wagoned right now (which I disagree with) your ISO is pretty lacking. You’re asking me to already play in a way more your style here and I am taking it on a leap of faith you’re not setting me up for failure here don’t make it hard for me.

If scum kill me tonight, there will be solid evidence of what I did and my reads.

My ISO always falls off on a weekend, but it's pretty clear who I townread and my weak scumreads. Being in a weaker position is ok.

I'm reaching out to you just in case the prize is scum. I'm like 99% sure it isn't but you know leverage.

Titus · Post Post #750 (isolation #54) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:18 am

VOTE: Chaos

I like Meg's recent posts.

Titus · Post Post #751 (isolation #55) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:23 am

In post 747, Prism wrote:I might be setting the bar too low for Aristeia town but either way it's time to do something else.

Going to try reading ISOs working Meg -> Datisi -> probably Chaos unless I strike something in the meantime? I might swap to cover-to-cover but I really don't want to.

Please help me find the last few locktown to solve this game.

We cannot afford to have this not solved in a couple of days.

Titus · Post Post #752 (isolation #56) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:27 am

Of course, I am supposing a competent scumteam and an incompetent or disabled town when I say that.

Titus · Post Post #762 (isolation #57) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:39 am

In post 757, Umlaut wrote:
In post 750, Titus wrote:VOTE: Chaos

I like Meg's recent posts.
Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)

That's the problem. Town Chaos is more leadery or tries to be.

Titus · Post Post #763 (isolation #58) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:39 am

At least to me, other reasons may vary.

Titus · Post Post #774 (isolation #59) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:00 am

In post 765, Prism wrote:UNVOTE:

Probably going to go Chaos -> Gamma -> read whole game. Will be shocked if I don't have hardreads on Lukewarm/Vulture/Gamma by the end of it.

Good. I hope our reads match there but I hope you get a townlean on Gamma and Lukewarm. If you trust me, please do so.

Titus · Post Post #775 (isolation #60) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:02 am

In post 772, Umlaut wrote:
In post 762, Titus wrote:
In post 757, Umlaut wrote:
In post 750, Titus wrote:VOTE: Chaos

I like Meg's recent posts.
Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)
That's the problem. Town Chaos is more leadery or tries to be.
I can only recall one game I've played with Chaos (years ago), and he was town in that game and was pretty much like this. Maybe his meta has changed though?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774

Titus · Post Post #778 (isolation #61) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:06 am

In post 777, Prism wrote:
In post 774, Titus wrote:
In post 765, Prism wrote:UNVOTE:

Probably going to go Chaos -> Gamma -> read whole game. Will be shocked if I don't have hardreads on Lukewarm/Vulture/Gamma by the end of it.

Good. I hope our reads match there but I hope you get a townlean on Gamma and Lukewarm. If you trust me, please do so.
Given our, uh, previous track record for matching up (Warehouse/Happy Face as willow) I wouldn't hold my breath but this is a New Game and There Is Hope

Fair enough. I'm aiming for unlimmable but to confuse scum as to who to nightkill.

Titus · Post Post #780 (isolation #62) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:07 am

In post 776, Prism wrote:For Chaos, 2007 join date means this is likely stylistic, but posting more doesn't mean you have to hyperpost like me/several others. It's just very hard both to push successfully & get a gauge on you if you're playing in such an isolated/quarantined way, and there is a healthy medium here.

Fair enough as a general rule but he broke it previously

Titus · Post Post #816 (isolation #63) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:51 am

In post 791, MathBlade wrote:
In post 785, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 660, MathBlade wrote:last few posts are pretty bad. Gamma's played with me enough to know that I'm top tier scum so if Gamma genuinely thought I was scum I think he'd go back and make a genuine case. I'm going to stick with town for now, but that read is degrading fast.
I’m not quite certain you’re scum, I just think your theory crafting is off base in a way that indicates you have low expectations for the quality of tris’ modding, and imo there’s no reason for you to feel that way
1) Poking a setup of which I believe to still be within the normal rules is not an attack on the quality of Tris’s modding. The entire point was I thought this was going to be similar to extra communication mafia and subvert expectations.

2) I literally just got done with a game where the mods gave town way too much power. The literal name of the game with the past few games I have been in is subvert expectations. It was in Calculasia and Boonskiies to name a few.

3) I have never been in a tris game before and not giving scum a PT imho is a brilliant setup design plan. I do not consider it “not mafia” as the mod said.

I think this post is disgusting as fuck here. Like you seriously make up crap about me not having scumread Chaos and now you’re poking at a bear long since dead? Are you trying to piss me off here? It’s working.

It's not disgusting as fuck to call out someone's theory you find ridiculous.

@Gamma, Math tends to be more like this as town.

Titus · Post Post #817 (isolation #64) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:52 am

In post 795, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 752, Titus wrote:Of course, I am supposing a competent scumteam and an incompetent or disabled town when I say that.
wat

I'm jaded I know.

Titus · Post Post #819 (isolation #65) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:05 am

In post 818, MathBlade wrote:It’s not that he’s calling out the theory it’s that he is implying I am attacking the mod that’s disgusting.

Yes, take a moment to see his perspective. You're posting something so bizarre and ridiculous that no competent mod would pass as normal. By suggesting it, you're suggesting that tris is not a competent mod. I think there's a few gaps in reasoning but it's not disgusting.

Titus · Post Post #821 (isolation #66) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:12 am

In post 820, MathBlade wrote:
In post 819, Titus wrote:
In post 818, MathBlade wrote:It’s not that he’s calling out the theory it’s that he is implying I am attacking the mod that’s disgusting.
Yes, take a moment to see his perspective. You're posting something so bizarre and ridiculous that no competent mod would pass as normal. By suggesting it, you're suggesting that tris is not a competent mod. I think there's a few gaps in reasoning but it's not disgusting.
Ugh I just really need to stop posting.

Can you go steal me some scum? Right now you are kinda scattershot and it’s hard to focus when you are.

I'm assembling the team. I can determine the mark if I must but that's not really my thing.

Titus · Post Post #823 (isolation #67) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:20 am

In post 822, MathBlade wrote:Not asking for you to find the right recipe just clean up the damn kitchen of all the noise so I can Sophie easier.

Working on stopping TvTs. Work with my TRs. Push your scumread that matches their pools. That'll help. You're near obvious town and your frustration is obviously townie. You don't need to be right. You just need to be full of hugs and rainbows. Being right helps.

Titus · Post Post #825 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:21 am

In post 823, Titus wrote:Working on stopping TvTs.

I'm working on it.

Titus · Post Post #826 (isolation #69) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:24 am

In post 824, MathBlade wrote:Alright that’s a hell of a lot easier than what I thought you were asking of me.

Sophie was never always right. She just played well with others. Trust me that your Gamma fight, even if I am wrong, is a pride fight that gets nowhere.

Who do you think I should focus on?

Titus · Post Post #831 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:31 am

In post 828, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like you're kinda wriggling against the status quo like it's trapping you.

Explain this more please.

Titus · Post Post #832 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:43 am

In post 830, Gamma Emerald wrote:OK
Not sure why you opted for some pretty problematic word choice there though

I mean incapable of acting. I apologize.

Titus · Post Post #833 (isolation #72) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 am

In post 830, Gamma Emerald wrote:okay
I wasn't scumreading the setup spec, if that makes you feel better

It does. I just didn't want a TvT fight based on game irrelevant stuff. Feeling personally attacked can cause Math to tunnel.

Titus · Post Post #835 (isolation #73) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:59 am

In post 834, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 831, Titus wrote:
In post 828, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like you're kinda wriggling against the status quo like it's trapping you.
Explain this more please.
MathBlade's pushes felt like he was going after targets that would have left him potentially high-and-dry if he didn't make them happen
I kinda wish we hadn't immediately stopped him on T3 because I feel like had he been allowed more agency there, he could have revealed himself if he's scum. Instead he knows he has to play within a certain box, which I feel dampens ability to figure out whether MathBlade is making pushes because he believes in the read or because it's what there's because there's already a list of names taken off the table.

Fair enough. I'm partially to blame for that but town!Math's big weakness is that he gets overconfident in his reads and doesn't listen (only hears) town's concerns. I directly instructed him to do the very thing that made him harder to read.

You should still inquire about his T3 read.

Titus · Post Post #838 (isolation #74) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am

In post 837, MathBlade wrote:I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.

T3 is not in because Star Wars

Titus · Post Post #840 (isolation #75) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 am

In post 839, MathBlade wrote:
In post 838, Titus wrote:
In post 837, MathBlade wrote:I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.
T3 is not in because Star Wars
I am the person who defined Star Wars and in my townreads T3 is definitely in because Star Wars.

We need a new code because he's actually townie in my book.

Titus · Post Post #869 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:30 pm

VOTE: Vulture

Let's steal us a scum flip, or at least a nightkill.

@Gamma, You in?

Titus · Post Post #874 (isolation #77) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 867, MathBlade wrote:Have you played with me before?

I ask you this not to hunt you but to know how to explain something to you.

Let's keep things small. I don't trust Ari enough. Telephone like that requires at least a sense of how to communicate on an individual level.

It works for us sometimes because we're us.

Here, you got two levels of telephone plus with me not telling you everything.

Titus · Post Post #876 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

In post 873, Prism wrote:townreads such as you,
Vulture,
& Datisi

Pardon me, what?

Titus · Post Post #880 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:44 pm

MathBlade, you has my shiny scum suspect.

I know a scummy vote when I see one.

Titus · Post Post #883 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 pm

@Ari, I'll reset Prism if Vulture flips scum.

Titus · Post Post #885 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:49 pm

In post 152, Vulture wrote:VOTE: Flubbernugget

E-1.

This is the scummy vote.

Titus · Post Post #886 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:50 pm

I'm thinking Vulture Alchemist21 plus 1 more.

Titus · Post Post #889 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:53 pm

In post 887, MathBlade wrote:Okay help me out here…I am so not following the moonlogic?

What made you go back to look at votes/Vulture again?

You asked me to look at the wagons. That reminded me of Vulture's horrible vote. Alchemist21 is from Vulture's ISO.

Titus · Post Post #890 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:54 pm

Prism having Vulture as a TR is worrying NGL.

Titus · Post Post #892 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:58 pm

In post 891, MathBlade wrote:
In post 890, Titus wrote:Prism having Vulture as a TR is worrying NGL.
Not really. I don’t get how they formulate reads I just know they’re better than mine same with you sometimes.

Vultures in my PoE so I would sheep but I think Meg or Chaos are much more likely to draw scum.

There's one thing to disagree. There's just nothing there to disagree on.

Titus · Post Post #893 (isolation #86) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:59 pm

It could be Vulture Alch Chaos, but you asked me to swing...

Titus · Post Post #897 (isolation #87) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:04 pm

In post 896, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Alch wagon?

We all agree there?

My Alchemist21 read is conditioned upon Vulture flipping red.

Titus · Post Post #898 (isolation #88) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:05 pm

I'd deadline Alchemist21 but I'd rather do Vulture.

Titus · Post Post #903 (isolation #89) » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:14 pm

I love me a good shiny, pure wagon.

tris will edit to give me that shiny second spot.

I love the word shiny. It's so shiny.

Good night.

Titus · Post Post #924 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:33 am

In post 908, Datisi wrote:@titus, why is vulture's vote there scummy?

It's opportunistic. He has one or two posts before riding the Flubber wave. Once it gets going as a wagon, he puts E minus 1 super early. He has no realistic comment on anyone else.

The rest of his ISO is not much better. There's no comment on most of the game. There's no attempts to solve.

Titus · Post Post #929 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:37 am

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

Titus · Post Post #935 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:44 am

In post 931, Vulture wrote:
In post 929, Titus wrote:I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.
It’s an attempt to get you to use more than two braincells on my motivations as scum v town and why the scum ones don’t hold weight. Which if you want to call it a defense, sure, but it’s more a commentary on how shortsighted of an analysis you did.

In post 933, Vulture wrote:But then again I’ve genuinely never seen you apply correct VCA as long as I’ve been around and only seen it used to help scum so my faith is little.

This is really encouraging me to look elsewhere. [/sarcasm]

It's fair enough to say that you aren't lockscum based on my VCA alone. You're just my biggest suspect. I'm townreading all but you and Chaos on that wagon. Your ISO lacks content. So does Chaos. Chaos is VLA.

What's your excuse?

Titus · Post Post #938 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:47 am

In post 934, Datisi wrote:
In post 924, Titus wrote:It's opportunistic. He has one or two posts before riding the Flubber wave. Once it gets going as a wagon, he puts E minus 1 super early. He has no realistic comment on anyone else.
i mean... how is that opportunistic is my question? i definitely dislike early y-1's but i dislike them for different reasons (opens up room for ballsy scum to hammer early - nothing to do with the person doing the y-1 vote). what does scum!vulture except there to happen? that someone will just run with the vote and decide to hammer flubber on page <10?

don't get me wrong, i don't think this vote makes vulture town, i'm just saying i don't think it's scum!indicative.

It's opportunistic because the main, if not only, thing Vulture had done is promote the Flubber wagon. Either a) he hoped it would go through and it's a rush or b) he knew it wouldn't and he was safe. Either way, scum Vulture keeps the attention on Flubber and off solving the game.

Titus · Post Post #944 (isolation #94) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:50 am

In post 937, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 929, Titus wrote:I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.
If this is wrt to me and Dats, I am trying to get a better understanding of his worry, because it did not make sense to me

You and Vulture both did that. I probably have done it before. I hate it because it usually generates unreadable content, but it's usually NAI. The only time it works is when the reason is so fucking obvious to everyone.

Titus · Post Post #950 (isolation #95) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am

In post 948, MathBlade wrote:
In post 943, Prism wrote:I'm going to work and hopefully return to a pleasant/diplomatic state. I know Titus asked about my Vulture TR, tl;dr they do this stupid fucking deadweight act every game and live to take shots & feel superior when someone actually plays the game and pushes them for it. Horrendous fucking play and maybe they're worth a policy but I think they're town.
Absolutely not.

Titus is 100% not worth a policy this game. And yeah she pokes at things that she doesn’t agree with but that’s what literally everyone does. She’s just blunt about it.

If you’re talking policy D1 your head is not in the game.

Prism is reffering to Policy limming Vulture. Pronoun usage was hard. I had to read it twice.

Titus · Post Post #954 (isolation #96) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:56 am

In post 951, MathBlade wrote:
In post 935, Titus wrote:
In post 931, Vulture wrote:
In post 929, Titus wrote:I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.
It’s an attempt to get you to use more than two braincells on my motivations as scum v town and why the scum ones don’t hold weight. Which if you want to call it a defense, sure, but it’s more a commentary on how shortsighted of an analysis you did.

In post 933, Vulture wrote:But then again I’ve genuinely never seen you apply correct VCA as long as I’ve been around and only seen it used to help scum so my faith is little.
This is really encouraging me to look elsewhere. [/sarcasm]

It's fair enough to say that you aren't lockscum based on my VCA alone. You're just my biggest suspect. I'm townreading all but you and Chaos on that wagon. Your ISO lacks content. So does Chaos. Chaos is VLA.

What's your excuse?
Why do you have a VCA when you say you can’t do VCA without flips?

I gave up on telling people it's wagon momentum instead of VCA. They would just say it's VCA. So I give up half the time.

Titus · Post Post #958 (isolation #97) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:59 am

In post 955, Aristeia wrote:
In post 939, Prism wrote:Aristeia if you're that worried about me pacing the game/controlling the thread you fucking try instead.
I've been told to shut up by Mathblade/Others and let the thread breath so I'm fine twiddling my thumbs over here.

I've already stated what I believe the solution to be and people have stopped listening to me.

I care more about everyone having "fun" than maximizing my probability of winning.

Who do you think their partners are?
What do you think of Prism's Vulture defense?

Titus · Post Post #965 (isolation #98) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:04 am

Well at least it makes me a little less consensus obvtown.

Titus · Post Post #968 (isolation #99) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:05 am

In post 964, MathBlade wrote:
In post 960, Aristeia wrote:I've literally stated a complete solve I don't know what else you want me to do.
What if you swapped Prism for Titus? I think that’s more likely how she scumreads Alchemist yet she wanted the Vulture wagon.

I don't scumread Alchemist21 independent of Vulture. I just don’t townread him independently.

Titus · Post Post #970 (isolation #100) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:06 am

In post 968, Titus wrote:
In post 964, MathBlade wrote:
In post 960, Aristeia wrote:I've literally stated a complete solve I don't know what else you want me to do.
What if you swapped Prism for Titus? I think that’s more likely how she scumreads Alchemist yet she wanted the Vulture wagon.
I don't scumread Alchemist21 independent of Vulture. I just don’t townread Alchemist21 independently.

Fbwop

Titus · Post Post #980 (isolation #101) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:13 am

@Ari, If you're wrong on Prism, what are your reads?

@Vulture, Can you give us a readwall? Intelligent comment? Why a sigh in 978?

Titus · Post Post #993 (isolation #102) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:13 am

In post 983, MathBlade wrote:Ugh I need another VC. Like it’s getting to the point where any of Chaos/Meg/Vulture are okay to me. They’re all in my PoE and I am getting to the point of I just want a flip to sort out people.

You're voting the towniest one.

Titus · Post Post #994 (isolation #103) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:14 am

In fact, I'd move Meg up to a strong town lean.

Titus · Post Post #998 (isolation #104) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:34 am

@Math, You're the one who literally asked me to break and shake things up rather than being on Chaos and letting things go passively.

Now that I've done that, you're complaining about the result.

It's been less than an RL day.

We have a solid towncore, which is my towncore minus me. We're doing ok here. No need for doom and gloom.

Titus · Post Post #999 (isolation #105) » Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:34 am

Also, using one flip to check someone based on their read accuracy rarely works. Genuine can be wrong.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:40 am

VOTE: Chaos

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:30 am

Is it wrong I think early Math was better than later Math?

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:37 am

In post 1011, Vulture wrote:I have a feeling one of you two is trying to pocket the other. Shrug.

And this is why Vulture is scum. No content. No positions, just shade designed to increase paranoia.

What if it's just Chaos Alch and Vulture?

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:20 am

When I feel better, I'll have a look. I townread all but you and Chaos on the Flubber wagon and I doubt it was all town.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:14 am

In post 924, Titus wrote:
In post 908, Datisi wrote:@titus, why is vulture's vote there scummy?
It's opportunistic. He has one or two posts before riding the Flubber wave. Once it gets going as a wagon, he puts E minus 1 super early. He has no realistic comment on anyone else.

The rest of his ISO is not much better. There's no comment on most of the game. There's no attempts to solve.

@Datisi - I already answered you.

@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:14 am

I promised I'd review his postinh when I felt better.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:21 am

The Meg wagon makes me want to cry. Scum are running from that one so fast, hoping we flip Meg and turn on each other.

@Vulture, I have very little paranoia of Math. I wouldn't talk to them like I have if I did.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:23 am

In post 1049, Datisi wrote:titus, what's your solve again?

Chaos Vulture Alch with an outside shot of Umlaut

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:24 am

I would compromise on Meg to avoid a no elimination but I really think Meg's town.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:27 am

In post 1053, Datisi wrote:have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

Who is this to?

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:27 am

In post 1056, Datisi wrote:
In post 1051, Titus wrote:I would compromise on Meg to avoid a no elimination but I really think Meg's town.

In post 1053, Datisi wrote:have you explained why meg is town? link me if you have, possible i've forgotten.

1034

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:30 am

In post 1059, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 994, Titus wrote:In fact, I'd move Meg up to a strong town lean.
Do you disagree with Vulture’s observation?

Where?

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:33 am

In post 1068, Datisi wrote:
In post 1034, Titus wrote:@Meg - The self-awareness and no effort to survive read townie to me.
are you telling me that the constant requests for more time and for them to prove themself by dishing out analysis "for after they flip" is supposed to be "no effort to survive"?

Yes. They're making last reads. They aren't seeking another day.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:45 am

In post 1072, Datisi wrote:@titus, because scum would never bluff about "being resigned to their own death" and constantly dish out the "woe is me, i will die, but i hope the rest of you get some use out of my analysis once i flip" in the hopes that whatever they put out makes their voters change their mind and vote someone else? like, what makes you think that this is supposed to be genuine?

Sure it's possible Meg is scum. No one's pointed out why it is fake because it isn't. A townie would realize their death was coming and put out content to be remembered by.

Don't you find it odd that it's virtually an all town wagon on Meg, no one is defending Meg (maybe arguably me), but it's not going through. Scum aren't voting the Meg wagon because we can't agree on which scum to kill.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 1075, Datisi wrote:
In post 1073, Titus wrote:Don't you find it odd that it's virtually an all town wagon on Meg
have i missed 4 innocent child announcements somewhere?

also, if you think that the wagon on meg is currently mostly town, nobody is defending them, but they're not going through... how does that point to "meg is town, and scum doesn't wanna get their hands dirty (even though two of them are currently ~possible counterwagons)" as opposed to "meg is scum, and scum is stalling and praying that the wagon doesn't end up happening"?

That theory doesn't work because Chaos gets more momentum than Meg does if Chaos is town and Meg is scum. Same with Vulture. Instead it's the same voters.

You'd have to argue that scum are actively shopping and failing. I don't see scum trying at all.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:23 pm

In post 1075, Datisi wrote:have i missed 4 innocent child announcements somewhere?

Also, on D1 I read unknowns consistent with my own dayplay reads. Shit gets better with more flips.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:23 pm

In post 1104, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1087, Prism wrote:Hero guess is like that/Gamma/MathBlade
Bruh

I'll eat my hat if Gamma and Math are scum.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:25 pm

In post 1106, Datisi wrote:meg/prism are somewhat more likely to be the same alignment than rand + i really don't think that vote makes sense as a bus + i've been thinking for a while now how alchemist has progressively gotten worse and worse = flashwagon anyone?

i'm... not trying to tilt you. i'm throwing ideas out as i get them.

I think If Meg was scum, I'd have to reset on Prism. Prism is acting kinda cagey.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 1115, MegAzumarill wrote:Anyway, I'd been starting to scumread Luke for a while now, a lot of their pots feeling very vague and not well reasoned, this flashhammer push does nothing for this.
I'd advise against keeping Luke in the townbin, and putting him under some scrutiny.
I'd also like to add that I feel if the Chaos/Luke engagement is S/T, luke would be the scum there.
I was going to put out a megapost about it near DL, but doesn't look like I'll have time to write it.

Feeling Vulture/Luke/???? as a scumteam.

Just try to look into the lukewarm spot.

T
|
S
[Datisis
Ari
Titus
Gamma
T3
Mathblade] [] indicates general groupings town/null/scum ||| top is towniest to lowest is scummiest
[chaos
alch
umlaut
Prism]
[Luke
Vulture]

I like the top tier here.

It also makes sense with Meg being town here.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:49 pm

In post 1129, Gamma Emerald wrote:Meg + me + Titus + Math is 4 votes I’m pretty sure are locked on Vulture vs. Meg
T3 I believe is either on Vulture rn or would be willing to return

Technically I'm on Chaos or Vulture, whichever has more

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:50 pm

Can we stop with the confbias noise?

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:51 pm

In post 1136, Gamma Emerald wrote:Titus do you still think Luke is townblock material?
I feel like the way he’s acting is very suspicious if Meg is town, and doubly so if Vulture is scum on top of that

I still do but I'll be reanalyzing the wagons come nightphase and then again in dayphase.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:53 pm

If we do suppose t v t v t wagons, then Umlaut is near lockscum.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:54 pm

In post 1139, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1133, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1099, MegAzumarill wrote:Taking a page top before i go!

In post 1100, MegAzumarill wrote:Here we go!

@ anyone off Meg's wagon

If meg really has been "scum reading luke for a while" do they really say this when they hit E-1, instead of immediately outing their concern incase the hammer is eminent?

Town meg was more worried about getting the page top before they died, then outing their pocket scum read?

In post 1135, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1126, MegAzumarill wrote:I was actually going to start writiting the megapost as I checked to see you had started the flashhammer.
They even claim to have been logged on, specifically to type up the mega post when they saw the push
@ Titus, I will stop posting repeatedly, but I very much would like you to look at this very specific thing and tell me your thoughts.

imo, this is pretty damning that the "I have been scum reading luke for a while" line is a lie.

I don't see a lie or how desiring page tops is relevant. Dying townies are allowed to have fun.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:57 pm

I may hammer Meg because we can't get traction anywhere else because town can't agree on which scum to eliminate. I don't want the game to stagnate and be unfun. :/

This EoD push will be helpful. Regardless of Meg's flip, I think scum are on the back end.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:57 pm

In post 1142, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1140, Titus wrote:If we do suppose t v t v t wagons, then Umlaut is near lockscum.
Yeah I was looking at the player list weighing whether the numbers were there for Vulture and noticed Umlaut has been an extreme non-presence which I feel like is more common when he’s scum

That's also my replacement if Vulture is town.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:12 pm

Intent to hammer

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 1148, Gamma Emerald wrote:What are you putting intent for?
The window for a PR claim has passed and if you think she’s stalling it probably makes more sense to just hammer?

I doubt she is a PR. My rationale for intent is to ensure no one else has any investigation to do.

Titus · Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:52 pm

VOTE: Meg

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:42 am

Ok. Not the worst thing in the world.

Datisi, did anything happen to you last night? Don't answer what.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:45 am

Ok, as expected.

Carry on.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:03 pm

In post 1193, Alchemist21 wrote:Oh yeah T3 softclaimed having some role-related info so there was that as well.

Where?

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:10 pm

Ok. I saw where T3 was going I think.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:48 pm

VOTE: Umlaut

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:52 pm

In post 1204, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1203, Titus wrote:VOTE: Umlaut
Why did you wait until now to vote Umlaut?

Reasons.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:53 pm

In post 1202, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Umlaut

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 1207, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1201, Aristeia wrote:I feel kind of lost...

that is a very strange nightkill and I feel it means I've been pocketed badly :<
What did you do after Meg flipped town?

What did you do?

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:05 pm

In post 1209, MathBlade wrote:Took a hard look at Ari overnight. Couldn’t understand the townreads on her slot and so I went and ISO’d her to see what I could see. The fact she has the same response to me at day start is troubling so I want to know what she did overnight and why our thoughts are similar after being divergent yesterday. It’s odd.

Similar reactions =/= similar thoughts.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:31 pm

In post 1212, MathBlade wrote:I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?

Similar thoughts tend to be similar alignments.

It's early. Let the factions show.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:47 pm

In post 1215, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1214, Titus wrote:
In post 1212, MathBlade wrote:I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?
Similar thoughts tend to be similar alignments.

It's early. Let the factions show.
I am trying to do that by generating discussion. Lots of naked votes doesn’t really help me see much here. Even my traditional way of reading naked votes leads to an absolutely absurd conclusion so I am trying to generate discussion so as you say “the factions show”. How does anyone learn anything from this?

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:51 pm

In post 1217, MathBlade wrote:Okay I have learned the amount of Leverage gifs you have is insane and I have no earthly idea what you’re trying to say lmao. I think Eliot’s face is the closest to mine right now.

That's the point.

giphy.com

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:59 pm

In post 1221, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1218, Titus wrote:
In post 1217, MathBlade wrote:Okay I have learned the amount of Leverage gifs you have is insane and I have no earthly idea what you’re trying to say lmao. I think Eliot’s face is the closest to mine right now.
That's the point.

giphy.com
Your point is to entirely confuse me and not have me hunt?

The first part is a success the latter won’t happen so????

Like what?

No. The point is a love your surly butt and it's going to come together as expected.

*smiles*

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:07 pm

It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:15 pm

In post 1230, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1228, Titus wrote:It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)
Great! Then talk with me and don’t play charades.

But Charades is how I talk about Star Wars.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:33 pm

In post 1232, MathBlade wrote:Approximately half the game has a naked vote somewhere. Does this mean something to you?

Yes. We've joined a streaker's convention.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 1239, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1237, Titus wrote:
In post 1232, MathBlade wrote:Approximately half the game has a naked vote somewhere. Does this mean something to you?
Yes. We've joined a streaker's convention.
Making me laugh is not helpful but you should probably put some pants on.

Sure it is. Your biggest con as town is that you get hyper serious and it turns people off.

*puts pants on head*

Seriously, I can't force the rest of the town to give reasons for their votes. It actually nullifies the pressure to an extent. Right now, the majority of town left are tone reading the game and each other.

You hate that and I'm aware. I've tried to include you with my gifs so you can provide vital clues later once you solve them. I've targeted you specifically. I feel you can get at the bottom of Star Wars.

I can't override how others scum hunt, but I can include you the best I can.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:21 pm

In post 1248, MathBlade wrote:Like I am trying to meet Titus half way here and I am just not seeing it and I am scared.

Not the end of the world. I'm watching and observing right now. There's time left in the day. No rush to get in sync yet.

Don't overtunnel. Don't force opinions. Ask and listen, not just hear.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 1258, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1257, Titus wrote:
In post 1248, MathBlade wrote:Like I am trying to meet Titus half way here and I am just not seeing it and I am scared.
Not the end of the world. I'm watching and observing right now. There's time left in the day. No rush to get in sync yet.

Don't overtunnel. Don't force opinions. Ask and listen, not just hear.
That’s what I am doing.

Notice how my questions are open ended?

I am stating open ended thoughts and getting discussion going.

How is any of this tunnelling?

It's not yet. Momma bear's just worried. I need you to be untouchably town.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 1260, MathBlade wrote:Pedit: Uhm that’s a bad thing Titus. I never want to be untouchably town.

I learn from who tries to push me. I hate being conf town.

To get better, we have to push our limits. I wouldn't try to make you into obvtown unless I had a reason.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 1267, Vulture wrote:I feel responsible for Meg getting voted out, in some part.

Then vote Chaos or Umlaut.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:51 pm

In post 1272, MathBlade wrote:@Titus: Or just no? It makes the game really hard when I am conf town because then I become buddy food. I get you may have a reason. You may have some special Math tell that’s 100% accurate (as much as I try to avoid that) or even mod conf from a PR, I legit do not care. Conf towns poison games. You learn more seeing what scum push against the uber secret town block than confirming anyone. A well place inno or guilty makes the game go around.

I really don’t like how you’re making this into a binary thing and I am trying to hunt a reaction here and now it’s destroyed.

A good conftown doesn't poison a game. Still, I don't want or think you're conftown. I just want you untouchable by elimination.

Sorry about fucking with your test.

Titus · Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:05 pm

In post 1280, MathBlade wrote:Explain the difference here because I don’t see it.

I haven’t been scumread almost all game if at all.
What would your plan do? Just more of the same? Then why?

A conftown is someone who is mechanically confirmed as town. An obvtown is someone who won't be eliminate but still could be scum. For instance, Datisi fits in that boat.

I can't answer what my plan would do because that would undermine my plan. Aside from carrying through my theory about polishing you, I don't currently have a plan for this dayphase.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:47 am

In post 1292, Datisi wrote:
In post 1281, Titus wrote:An obvtown is someone who won't be eliminate but still could be scum. For instance, Datisi fits in that boat.
uh, titus, are you sure about that? >_>

why did you (seemingly) drop the vulture scumread? and why are you voting umlaut now?

In theory, you could be scum. It's highly highly unlikely but there's been no further confirmation.

As for your other questions, I scumread Chaos, Vulture, and Umlaut. I'm sheeping Gamma because he's my biggest TR. I don't see how I vote him ever.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:48 am

Well, that's not quite true. It should read that I don't see the circumstances where I'd vote Gamma ever happening.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:53 am

In post 1296, MathBlade wrote:Premise A: (Secret premise)
If Premise A is true then scum likely think Premise A is true and therefore would vote Umlaut.
If Premise A is not true then scum likely think they may get a free elim by hopping on without discussion like everyone else.

If Premise A is true, that doesn't mean everyone sees or knows the premise to be true. It's happened before recently, supposing I am correct on Premise A. If there's a split on whether Premise A is true, expect one scum to bus and the other to hope for momentum elsewhere.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:54 am

In post 1296, MathBlade wrote:Regardless I think a scum in Chaos, Datisi, Gamma, and Titus is quite high regardless of which explanation I go down.

Ok, cries, bawls angry tears, depressed

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:57 am

In post 1297, MathBlade wrote:To those of you who are that sure Umlaut is scum, why not go look back and see what was scummy D1?

Umlaut not voting D1 was scummy to me. See end D1, Large normal 234 which just ended (I guiltied a scum based on not voting).

I also sheep Gamma.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:58 am

In post 1298, Aristeia wrote:Datisi are you informed that I'm town for some reason?

Because it's really weird for me to experience no paranoia/doubt from you when we just killed a town player on D1 and I was one of the more vocal people killing Meg.

Reluctant hug

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:59 am

In post 1306, MathBlade wrote:Not a fan of 1303. Just because her top townread of Gamma is on it she thinks the whole wagon is town and is balling angry tears? This seems over exaggerated.

I am going read Luke’s case now bbl.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:06 am

1303 was my reaction to you FoSing each slot. Not a defense of Chaos just the other two.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:23 am

In post 1309, MathBlade wrote:Just skimmed Ari’s meta on the normal game first. (Yeah it looked simpler sue me)

VOTE: Chaos

Based on what I see there I am okay sheeping Ari while reading up Luke’s case

*sads* Just because Ari is town doesn't mean Ari deserves a sheep given Ari was wrong yesterday. She might be right today but I trust Gamma's reads more and trust him to be town more.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:33 am

In post 1311, Aristeia wrote:I don't particularly have any reason to think Chaos definitely flips scum here.

I am voting for Chaos because the case for Chaos makes more sense to me than the case for Umlaut because nobody's even presented anything for Umlaut and Datisi scares me rn :<

*sad*

I presented Umlaut is scum because he wasn't voting yesterday and I caught scum doing that very recently. It's also why I FoSed him day 1.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:46 am

In post 1314, MathBlade wrote:
In post 270, Datisi wrote:VOTE: gamma

why is aristeia town?
Explain this vote please. I think this is probably the most damning point in the readwall. You seem to be okay with Gamma voting Umlaut now.

It's a thousand posts later....

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:51 am

In post 1316, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1291, Datisi wrote:am i insane for thinking there is something Very Wrong about the fact that luke spent a lot of time yesterday pushing omega, then once he realized that's not happening, he was suddenly a firm believer in meg flipping red, brute forced the wagon through, then the person whose literally only strong read was "datisi is locktown" is dead, and *then* luke is back on omega while making a convoluted case on why i'm a partner when that case is half made up of literal lies and empty assumptions?
I don’t see why scumLuke does this unless they’re trying really hard to bus Chaos and think they can get a universal Townread destroyed out of it.

Also Luke got cold feet about Chaos after people started joining that wagon and it became more viable, so “realizing it wasn’t gonna happen” is an incorrect assessment.

There's a shiny Umlaut wagon waiting for your comment.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:53 am

In post 1320, Aristeia wrote:you think umlaut is scum who saw town killing town and just didn't care enough to vote?

Possibly. Could be frozen scum too.

I feel moderately confident. My TRs voting there helps.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:54 am

In post 1317, MathBlade wrote:Then the explanation should be simple.

*frustrated anxious twitch*

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:58 am

In post 1300, Aristeia wrote:Like when we play together usually you express some kind of paranoia/fear of me but here you're just like "I don't really care this is fine"

In post 1324, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1319, Titus wrote:
In post 1316, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1291, Datisi wrote:am i insane for thinking there is something Very Wrong about the fact that luke spent a lot of time yesterday pushing omega, then once he realized that's not happening, he was suddenly a firm believer in meg flipping red, brute forced the wagon through, then the person whose literally only strong read was "datisi is locktown" is dead, and *then* luke is back on omega while making a convoluted case on why i'm a partner when that case is half made up of literal lies and empty assumptions?
I don’t see why scumLuke does this unless they’re trying really hard to bus Chaos and think they can get a universal Townread destroyed out of it.

Also Luke got cold feet about Chaos after people started joining that wagon and it became more viable, so “realizing it wasn’t gonna happen” is an incorrect assessment.
There's a shiny Umlaut wagon waiting for your comment.
I think Umlaut has a decent chance of flipping scum but I think the chance of Chaos scum is higher.

Why?

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 1341, MathBlade wrote:How ridiculous on a scale of “I get it to” to “Math is so far in left field they built a new ballpark” are the following:

Chaos + Umlaut
Datisi + Umlaut
Chaos/Umlaut both town and lots of deep wolves?

I am thinking that these are the most likely worlds.

1) I get it.
2) Homer in left.
3) Built a new ballpark.

Chaos +Datisi is left field.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:50 pm

Ok I has my plan. Ready for day end.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:55 pm

In post 1359, Datisi wrote:n_m would've been the hero we needed

I agree.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:07 pm

In post 1365, MathBlade wrote:So much so I am thinking bus here.

Datisi and Gamma practically agree on a good chunk of points and they’re recycles of each other. I am pretty paranoid of someone on that wagon bussing Umlaut I think. I think Umlaur flips scum but the day feels icky. Like we’re being trapped by a super villain icky.

Nope. Just 10 pounds of crazy in a five pound bag.

Now get into this elevator with me Sophie. We have to

zipline down

vote Umlaut.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:08 pm

In post 1366, MathBlade wrote:That makes me think bus or push on town.

I take door number 3 as the cause.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:10 pm

I wish you got my crumbs, but oh well bro.

Looks like I'll have to secure a piece of art rather than a gem this time. I think I'll have to draw this piece of art from memory.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:22 pm

In post 1371, MathBlade wrote:This just feels like either a bus or something is very wrong here. I can’t explain it but I feel it.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:17 pm

In post 1373, MathBlade wrote:Why are you Gibbs slapping me here for scumhunting?

I'm not. If I was, it would have come ages ago. I'm fully content with having you scumhunt. You're assuming why I did that.

Each time I Gibbs slapped you it's because you're missing something that I can't say, not because you should stop thinking.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:18 pm

Where have you seen this pattern before? Votes, then dead thread.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:21 pm

In post 1376, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Aristeia
That video Math posted just got my brain moving on this subject a bit and I kinda wanna explore the fact that her solve from yesterday turned out to have no meat to it seeing as she has completely abandoned it. I don’t think she ever hashed out
why
she had the solve she did, and as such I think it was total bogus.

Titus · Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:29 pm

In post 1380, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1378, Titus wrote:Where have you seen this pattern before? Votes, then dead thread.
That’s the thing.

I haven’t seen a pattern like the day open here.

A pattern of votes then dead thread is a game day?

Again you’re kinda missing my nuance here. Sometimes ignorant is smart.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:57 am

@Mathblade, Hard to search for partners when both Chaos and Umlaut play like ghosts. They know they are caught.

The too sure in tone from Datisi doesn't bother me

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:01 am

@MathBlade, You are claiming not to want Ari limmed. Who do you want eliminated? Why aren't you voting?

You suggest every elimination is wrong, yet you provide nothing.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:27 am

In post 1408, MathBlade wrote:Sometimes part of being a good Sophie is setting up the mark (scum) to make bad decisions. Think. You asked me to be a Sophie. Put it together.

True, but you're not effectuation your plan. You're not actually relieving pressure off Umlaut by not voting elsewhere. Your vote doesn't have to be on your biggest scumread.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:55 am

In post 1411, MathBlade wrote:(Gibbs slap) I can’t know if I am being effective until tomorrow.

In post 1412, MathBlade wrote:And my point isn’t to relieve pressure off Umlaut if that isn’t clear enough already.

In post 1413, MathBlade wrote:What do you think of my Datisi Umlaut case?

I have trouble seeing your agenda then. Not being able to determine your agenda makes it hard not to accidently step on your toes.

As for Datisi Umlaut, I don't ever see them being scum together. Datisi is tied with you for my second highest townread.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:37 pm

In post 1428, MathBlade wrote:Come with me to lalala land for a bit. Assume Datisi+Umlaut. Who is a good third?

Just live in the land of make believe with me.

Scummy people tend not to be nightkills so if I am right and Datisi is possibly scum then he doesn’t die.
If you’re right and you keep insisting it then Datisi dies and it’s dumb.

In cases like this stop defending your townreads.

Join me in “moonlogic”.

Chaos would be my third.

Scum haven't made the obvious nightkills so I am throwing them off, at a minimum.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:42 pm

In post 1430, Datisi wrote:hm. titus, you that sure math is town?

Pretty sure yes.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:30 pm

In post 1442, MathBlade wrote:You are Parker

This is why I am frustrated. You haven't understood my crumbs at all.

Titus · Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:32 pm

Well except for be Sophie

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:32 am

In post 1453, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1433, Datisi wrote:luke, how may i bribe you for an umlaut vote?
How can we get you on board the chaos wagon?

Similar to Luke, I don’t like the idea of Chaos getting away a second Day in a row.

This doesn't answer how you feel about Umlaut. It's a deflection instead.

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:27 am

Content.

The problem with continuing is that I have my four person theory and I don't see how more posting changes that.

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:40 am

In post 1472, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1471, Titus wrote:Content.

The problem with continuing is that I have my four person theory and I don't see how more posting changes that.
It’s not about you Titus. *sigh*

Just for once it’s not about you.

It's not but most people have their elimination target. The day should end at that point.

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:00 am

In post 1478, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1476, MathBlade wrote:The people on Chaos are going to think the Umlaut wagon is scum for resisting and vice versa.
I think Chaos and Umlaut are both scum. I think we should flip Chaos first. I think there has been a lot of resistance to the Chaos wagon but after a red flip I’d still flip Umlaut afterwards before I accused anyone on Umlauts wagon of trying to drive the counterwagon.

Why the resistance/strong preference for Umlaut if you think they're both equally scum?

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:04 am

In post 1481, Alchemist21 wrote:He’s getting away 2 Days in a row and it gives me the impression Chaos is more important to the scumteam.

Yet, you're not highlighting who you think is scum saving Chaos.

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:11 am

In post 1483, Alchemist21 wrote:That will have to be figured out after the Umlaut flip, because I’m not sure if, aside from Chaos’ vote, there is scum on the Umlaut wagon or if scum is hesitant to join because they don’t want it to happen but are content to let it happen before Chaos.

So you're chaining eliminations. Not sure I like this at all.

Why couldn't we say that you're scum and Umlaut is the more valuable member?

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:14 am

In post 1485, MathBlade wrote:You’re chaining them too from my PoV.

I think it’s pretty clear both have to die it’s a matter of which is better for the gamestate.

No. If Umlaut flips town, I reset. I'm only chaining if and when Umlaut flips scum.

Titus · Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:32 am

In post 1487, MathBlade wrote:If Umlaut flips town then it’s almost certainly the right move to elim Chaos here to see if this is a TvT cluster where no one is talking or not.

If Umlaut flips scum then you’re still chaining.

We are all doing it, it’s a matter of doing it the right way that’s +EV.

I disagree partially with Chaos being a mandatory flip. A, Chaos in being replaced so content could change the read. I suppose this applies to both scenarios but I would be more inclined to reset if Umlaut flipped town as the sign could be tvt and scum static to avoid a wagon.

I still give a bit of deference in the Umlaut scum scenario but not as much.