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Hello everyone.
Excited for this game to have finally started after being in signups for so long. One item I will point out - the rules indicate that the Scum have multi-tasking, so I would imagine that PRs will not be a meaningless part of this game. Just something to keep in mind.
VOTE: Nero Cain
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Hey Pooky. I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.In post 9, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sup andres
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It is. Not sure how that relates to the part of the rules you quoted, but I very much believe so.
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It shouldn’t, no.In post 16, angela wrote:
won't the timer tell us if we have a vengeful?In post 15, Andresvmb wrote:It is. Not sure how that relates to the part of the rules you quoted, but I very much believe so.-
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angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.-
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I have played with you as both alignments, and gotten you wrong last two times you played with me (as Town and Scum). Which means my accuracy regarding your alignment is horrific. That’s what I mean.In post 20, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
what do u mean be careful with my slot :/In post 12, Andresvmb wrote:
Hey Pooky. I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.In post 9, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sup andres
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And just for the record, it only includes completed games. I keep a record of all the games I play, so I took the % from there. I don’t update it until a game is over. In case you were interested.In post 42, Scorpious wrote:
Is that including this game?In post 28, Andresvmb wrote:I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.-
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You don’t like my reasoning? Well tough shit. I don’t think it’s particularly controversial to recognize upfront that my accuracy as it pertains to Pooky is bad, and therefore I need to try and be more careful about my assessments there.In post 47, Nero Cain wrote:
y?In post 12, Andresvmb wrote:I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.
your reason sounds kinda dumb
then vote her? surely a vote on someone that you find scummy is a better place for your vote than a RVS.In post 25, Andresvmb wrote:I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy.
VOTE: gera revenge
And I explained why it might not be coming from Scum. Not sure why you’re surprised I didn’t vote there. I don’t throw around my vote all that much as you know, so until I’m particularly settled somewhere, I don’t see the need to move away from my RVS vote.-
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You usually start with votes that are random, and are loathe to put a serious vote down. So what triggered this?
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You think that I was suggesting that because I’ve largely been Town around here, that I must be Town now? I have literally bashed someone in a different game for suggesting thisIn post 79, Scorpious wrote:
because I was going to lead into my analogy of Roulette at a casino. They tell you what numbers have fallen and people use that to "predict" what numbers will come next.In post 73, angela wrote:could you maybe put to words why?
like what can be gained from this/have you checked the math yourself/would it mean anything if it was untruthful
can wait until andres responds i guess if you'd like
but i don't really get it
But probability states that the past rolls have zero bearing on the next one, meaning you could be town in 99% of your games up to thins one, but that means nothing this time around.
Does that help?in reverse. Obviously you wouldn’t know this, but someone was trying to say that because I had been Town in multiple games in a row, I couldn’t possibly be Town that game. And I quoted the fallacy you are accusing me of committing (instead of reading it in context, as the obvious joke that it is). I’m not sure how I should feel about it, but it’s both useless content and let’s you contribute without saying anything. Negative points for you.-
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I think you’re likely to be Scum. So I don’t want to do NM and would much rather you be executed.In post 148, Scorpious wrote:It really is a very low risk lim. Not really expecting much hunting from N_M.-
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Rathe I think you could be Town. I like this take.In post 199, Rathe wrote:which one is it or do u already know they are both town-
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This is a bad vote btw.
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This is false btw. And you don’t get to veto conversation about a player we’re trying to sort. I can understand the thought that if people only comment on NM D1In post 249, Scorpious wrote:In post 247, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Okay cool, anecdotally only played with them in one game, they did exactly this and turned out to be mafia. Agreed getting rid of them turn one on this basis is a poor idea and kinda suspicions though.In post 193, KittyTacky wrote:
NM is an infamous player with a very unconventional and trollish style of play that makes him difficult to read. He doesn't straight up gamethrow or anything but he has a shtick of hammering anyone at E-1. It's often proposed to lim him early so he doesn't get in the way, but I feel it's silly to lim a null player when other players might yet make themselves scummy.In post 190, MalcolmTucker wrote:Can someone explain the immediate wave of suspicion/possible wagoning on NM? Feel like I'm missing some important meta stuff here, most of that exchange gone right over me.
This is a moot point.
This is the last time I’m accepting N_M conversation as potential town content..
Anything beyond this will be considered scum filler by me. There is way to much discussion about a slot many of us know is kinda just there. Deal with it…
As I said. NOTHING they do is AI.. expect a quick hammer, maybe a quip or two(sometimes insightful) and a “mum” Joke here an there. that’s it …
No more N_M discussion please, unless it’s to vote.and nothing else, that this could be Scum indicative as it’s a dodge on providing actual content. But (1) I have played with NM before multiple times, (2) and have seen them contribute positively as Town (while nailing multiple Scum). I have also seen them troll and be useless. Either way, just dismissing them so that they’re never paid attention to I disagree with. Having said that, there’s a lot I wouldn’t take seriously.-
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This slot is… sigh. I’m hoping you’re Scum.In post 255, MalcolmTucker wrote:In post 12, Andresvmb wrote:
Hey Pooky. I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.In post 9, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sup andres
I know have a Scum game under my belt, so you can go take a look at that and compare it to my play here over time. It should be obvious what I am.In post 25, Andresvmb wrote:angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.In post 27, Andresvmb wrote:Having said that, I suspect you would have asked your Scum buddies these questions outside of this thread, so perhaps too brazen for Scum. I just don’t think this conversation is helpful for the Town.
VOTE: AndresvmbIn post 28, Andresvmb wrote:I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.
Happy to change this in time as andre posts more going forward but I feel like this is an okay early vote for now.
Not sure how other people feel, but these posts come across as a bit desperate to come across as helpful townie for me.
Like I said before the initial accusation on Angela before the quick and sudden rollback in the next post hinted at some uncertainty for me, as if Andre was wary they'd gone in too hard. Then followed up after that by a joke to try and diffuse the situation.-
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I’m not wary of going “hard”. What a bunch of crap. I explained why I didn’t think the conversation was +Town. I also said that even if that’s the case, I don’t think Scum would be so blatant about it. Additionally, I actually think angela has been asking solid questions (though I wouldn’t settle on angela being Town just yet for forever).-
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I am NOT a fan of meta, and I don’t have a definitive answer yet based purely on content this game, but I would say that geraintm’s approach so far is not what I’m used to seeing from the slot in previous games. We’ve played multiple games and I’ve expanded upon my views of the slot in D1’s in more than a few other games (all from a Town perspective). I’ll see if I can quote a summary.In post 265, angela wrote:
also interested in anyone else with experience with geraintm weighing in on thisIn post 264, angela wrote:
do you have much experience with geraintm?In post 256, Nero Cain wrote:oh look gera is joining another bandwagon. nothing suspicious about that.
and if so,
would you say that town!geraintm generally functions under a blanket
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viewtopic.php?p=13074910#p13074910In post 330, Andresvmb wrote:
I am NOT a fan of meta, and I don’t have a definitive answer yet based purely on content this game, but I would say that geraintm’s approach so far is not what I’m used to seeing from the slot in previous games. We’ve played multiple games and I’ve expanded upon my views of the slot in D1’s in more than a few other games (all from a Town perspective). I’ll see if I can quote a summary.In post 265, angela wrote:
also interested in anyone else with experience with geraintm weighing in on thisIn post 264, angela wrote:
do you have much experience with geraintm?In post 256, Nero Cain wrote:oh look gera is joining another bandwagon. nothing suspicious about that.
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If geraintm is Scum (and they easily could be btw), you’re next.In post 286, Scorpious wrote:In post 279, Rathe wrote:mainly just gut i read what malcolm said about him but i just think he is probably town
Prime, Grade A, free roaming , grass fed overreaction right hea.In post 285, KittyTacky wrote:No seriously. "This player is putting effort into the game, that's worthy of a vote." Christ.
VOTE: geraintm
So far, I think Rathe is Town, Nero Cain is Town, angela is Town. Pooky seems fine but I don’t really know yet.
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I don’t want to ignore the possibility that Rathe is coming out to call me as Town because they know I can be loud and they’re trying to pocket me, but I am not seeing them as Scum so far. So I think you should reconsider.In post 314, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm torn i think ger needs attention but i like my rathe vote, and rathe hoped onto ger so
should have probably said i was vla this weekend got really busy i can have some better thoughts on monday-
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What’s total bullshit? ItIn post 348, Scorpious wrote:
I would have accepted almost anything other than. "This is a real number" not that I'm making a case out of it,but it's total bullshit. Why would you push that as not just being a gneralization?which I would accept,but inisist thats an actual figureIn post 318, Andresvmb wrote:
And just for the record, it only includes completed games. I keep a record of all the games I play, so I took the % from there. I don’t update it until a game is over. In case you were interested.In post 42, Scorpious wrote:
Is that including this game?In post 28, Andresvmb wrote:I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.
You realize if you played lets say, 10 games and were anything other than town once you would have to roll town another 10 times in a row to even be at 95%?
Like I said, It's just weird you would come in as heavy as you did but lead with a lie. It's noted..isa real number. And it only relates to games I’ve played on this forum. Why would I lie about something so stupid? All you have to do is count the number of games I’ve been involved in, and count the number of games I’ve been Town in. Which is super easy, since I was Town 25 games in a row, and I just completed my first Scum game around here ever. This isn’t even that hard, since I kept making a joke about how often I was rolling Town, and some people that have played with me multiple times kept making fun of it. You look horrific for accusing me of lying about something so elementary.-
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You’re full of shit. I’m not panicky. You’re ascribing an emotion to my posts that isn’t even close to anything I’ve been feeling. And it wasn’t a strong accusation. Like what?! I said that I felt angela’s posts about a particular topic were Scummy. That’s not even remotely close to a “strong” accusation from me. My posts about Scorpious are far stronger. In fact I would be interested in your opinion about that slot.In post 345, MalcolmTucker wrote:
As I said it's still early game and I'm more than happy to change my mind - but it kinda just interested me and gave me an early mafia vibe, throw out a strong accusation but then roll back on it shortly afterwards.In post 329, Andresvmb wrote:I’m not wary of going “hard”. What a bunch of crap. I explained why I didn’t think the conversation was +Town. I also said that even if that’s the case, I don’t think Scum would be so blatant about it. Additionally, I actually think angela has been asking solid questions (though I wouldn’t settle on angela being Town just yet for forever).
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The first part. I’m not sure it’s a contradiction, but I definitely felt it was way too early to be calling that interaction TvT. I definitely arrived at the same conclusion. It seemed to want to defuse away from a Partner in a way that wasn’t realistic. The probing by angela seemed genuine as far as I can tell, and I didn’t immediately assume they were just off base.In post 336, Morning Tweet wrote:
Do you like the "Kitty already knows angela/Scorp are town" component, or do you likeIn post 325, Andresvmb wrote:
Rathe I think you could be Town. I like this take.In post 199, Rathe wrote:which one is it or do u already know they are both town
the part where Rathe calls this a contradiction?In post 198, Rathe wrote:kitty mentioned that angela and scorpius cannot both be mafia n then says they r probably both town-
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You felt Kitty was “overreacting”? Really? I didn’t. It was a post dripping in sarcasm coupled with a vote. Not sure where the overreaction is. Which is why I felt Kitty’s vote was fine, and Scorpious’ reaction was bad.In post 335, Morning Tweet wrote:
Scorp's reaction to Kitty's post is exactly the same one I had. You're going to need to explain why it's badIn post 332, Andresvmb wrote:
If geraintm is Scum (and they easily could be btw), you’re next.In post 286, Scorpious wrote:In post 279, Rathe wrote:mainly just gut i read what malcolm said about him but i just think he is probably town
Prime, Grade A, free roaming , grass fed overreaction right hea.In post 285, KittyTacky wrote:No seriously. "This player is putting effort into the game, that's worthy of a vote." Christ.
VOTE: geraintm
So far, I think Rathe is Town, Nero Cain is Town, angela is Town. Pooky seems fine but I don’t really know yet.
I’m hating Malcolm, Scorpious, Morning Tweet. geraintm I’m skeptical of.
That was a terrible reaction by Kitty because it makes an unreasonable assumption and ends all thought there. You don't say "Oh you're voting me because you think I'm towny? You're scum" and stop. That is, unless if you're not interested in actually trying to solve-
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I’m going to explain in some detail why I think what I do, and then you can say whatever you want to say.
I never made the argument that my roll percentage was in any way relevant to determining my alignment this game. If you read the context of my comment, you will immediately realize it was a joke. I’ve already said as much. You grabbed onto it as part of an effort to slightly cast doubt upon my alignment (see 79, 87). You’re basically arguing that I’m relying on a logical fallacy to raise above suspicion, and make pointed arguments against someone you think are not there. The first one is straight up wrong (which I’ve already explained), the second one isn’t Scum indicative in my honest estimation. You’ve been asked these questions in different language by angela. You started getting questions about this and about your posts on NM, and you got slightly defensive (see 169). Which fine, maybe whatever. But then when I clarified that the number was an actual figure, you assumed I was lying. Which is terrible for a number of reasons. One, it makes me think you’re doubling down on your earlier take of my slot because I’m calling you Scum, so you can discard my read or make others at least question my push a bit. And two, because there is no Scum motivation to lie. Or at least I can’t think of one. Assume I’m Scum for a minute, and assume the number is manufactured. Do you really think I would have doubled down on the number, particularly since I had already stated it was a joke? I would have simply said yeah no of course not, I was kidding like I said. And that would have been that. It’s an idiotic thing to lie about, particularly as Scum. That number is never untrue is the point, but you seem to be manufacturing a reason to bash me (I would have accepted any answer but the one I provided, is basically what you said). Tou also seem to imply that I can’t do basic math which is just obnoxious. Overall, this is clear nonsense. And now you’re dismissing my response as an overreaction. It isn’t, and I think you’re quite likely to flip Scum.
Outside of that, I thought 148 was Scum indicative (“I’m fine with that policy execution, but I don’t want to push it” is the vibe I got). Also, I am perceiving Rathe to be Town, so I absolutely hate 208 and particularly your first sentence about giving Rathe a pass about their “horrible votes”.-
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I hadn’t gotten to this post.In post 346, MalcolmTucker wrote:
If Scorpious is mafia and NM isn't then I'd argue Scorpious has no particular reason to divert the conversation away from NM - recurring chat about someone's meta role in a way that's disconnected from this particular game benefits mafia because it lets them coast by without actually having to post all that much content about this particular game.In post 323, Andresvmb wrote:
I think you’re likely to be Scum. So I don’t want to do NM and would much rather you be executed.In post 148, Scorpious wrote:It really is a very low risk lim. Not really expecting much hunting from N_M.
I think it's probably unlikely they're mafia together though as it'd be too obvious a move for Scorpious to try and direct the chat away from NM. Personally feel like his annoyance seems genuine even if I don't fully agree with the extent to which he didn't want people discussing NM. If NM is mafia, then I reckon his teammates would have been more likely to try and move the conversation on naturally in a way that could appear more townie without making an obvious connection.
I think you’re wrong and I’ve detailed why. Feel free to engage with my thoughts in my most recent post about Scorpious. Not going to disagree that I don’t think Scorpious and NM are probably not SvS, unless it’s some elaborate distancing ploy that I don’t believe is occurring (much easier to just say the slot is null, let’s move on).-
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^rise above suspicion*In post 355, Andresvmb wrote:You’re basically arguing that I’m relying on a logical fallacy to raise above suspicion
I meant to say that you seem to be arguing that I was using my roll % for others to think that I’m more likely to be Town, which you also seem to think is suspicious. I’m calling bullshit.-
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The amount of double negatives in 356 make that post confusing from me.
I agree. I don’t think NM and Scorpious are SvS. If NM is Town, the motivation could be that Scorpious doesn’t think there’s tremendous benefit to execute NM. That could easily be a reason to want to divert attention away from the slot. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening, but if you perceive NM to potentially be detrimental to the Town, and a source of chaos, you might want to keep the slot around. This isn’t unheard of. I would argue it’s quite common for Scum to make arguments in favor of marginal players they think will benefit their win condition in the long run. So I would be careful about assuming that defense makes Scorpious more likely to be Town than Scum. Not saying this is what’s happening, but it’s definitely something to consider.-
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I did answer your question, btw. You asked why did you feel it was relevant to share my roll %? I answered that it was a joke. Multiple times now. You accused me of lying and saying that this was noted. You have yet to admit to being wrong about that. Which, btw, you obviously are. You have failed to explain the Scum motivation behind even thinking about lying about it being a real number.
I’m not sure why you’re dismissing all my arguments (which there are a few) as excrement. Why not engage with them one by one? The problem is you are being condescending in an attempt to diminish me, but you’re not admitting it. Which is weird. You had to write out that if I had rolled Scum once after rolling Town 10 times, that percentage is meaningfully smaller than 96.2%. Which assumes I wouldn’t have considered that if I was insisting on lying about the number (which is what I’m calling obnoxious). Unless I really lack in basic math skills, I would immediately know that if I have played whatever number of games, I would have had to roll Scum a really small number of times for it to work. At most 2 in ~50 games. So where is my error?-
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It really isn’t.In post 378, Morning Tweet wrote:I will read all of your posts carefully later though. all I'm saying is i am worried your disagreement is rooted in difference of approach rather than alignment-
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@angela do you think I’m being overly touchy?
Assume for a minute I’m being prickly. Why would that make me Scum? It’s a bullshit accusation and Scorpious doesn’t strike me as engaging in good faith. The vote on me is horrible, and anyone with a brain can see that 348 is full of condescension. The spelling out of the math, after I had already stated that I keep a detailed account of all the games I play, I find so obnoxious. They’re pushing a bullshit case, wholesale dismissing my arguments as “excrement”, and just tossing out the word “flailing” in a blatant effort to diminish my standing.-
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What? How are we being distracted “in crap”? Please elaborate.In post 391, Save The Dragons wrote:i feel like we're getting distracted in crap that doesn't matter and ignoring what does matter like voting rathe-
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Disagree on how I’m expressing things - I have very much attacked arguments and content, not players. I could be more diplomatic perhaps but frankly, around here no one pays attention to arguments that aren’t in your face.In post 399, angela wrote:
i thinkIn post 392, Andresvmb wrote:@angela do you think I’m being overly touchy?
Assume for a minute I’m being prickly. Why would that make me Scum? It’s a bullshit accusation and Scorpious doesn’t strike me as engaging in good faith. The vote on me is horrible, and anyone with a brain can see that 348 is full of condescension. The spelling out of the math, after I had already stated that I keep a detailed account of all the games I play, I find so obnoxious. They’re pushing a bullshit case, wholesale dismissing my arguments as “excrement”, and just tossing out the word “flailing” in a blatant effort to diminish my standing.
like the way you are expressing things at times probably has a net negative effect on the game, for lack of a better way to phrase that,
but like i said doesn't necessarily seem like a mafia weighted thing to me
and scorpious approach has felt kinda ??? to me as well-
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Yeah I wasn’t suggesting you were arguing I broke the rules. There’s no issue there and you don’t have to worry about that. Agreed on there not being tremendous benefit in discussing style because it’s difficult to convince each other either way and it’s informed by a variety of items including personality that maybe we can’t do much about.In post 408, angela wrote:
there isn't a lot of value in us discussing this during a game for obvious reasons,In post 406, Andresvmb wrote:Disagree on how I’m expressing things - I have very much attacked arguments and content, not players. I could be more diplomatic perhaps but frankly, around here no one pays attention to arguments that aren’t in your face.
and i wasn't trying to say you 'crossed the line' or 'broke the rules' or anything
but rather that i just think that if wrong you are more likely to find out from a different approach to interaction and it makes the game more pleasant to play
like i think the benefits of not being 'in your face' outweigh the benefits of being 'in your face' by a significant margin
but as previously mentioned i am not always so good about this myself and am trying to be better
and! yeah discussing this during a game probably an altogether bad idea
I’m not “in your face” a whole lot in games when I’m unsure, to be honest. I try and keep it civil, express my thoughts as I have them, and not be too forward. But I did feel Scorpious’ case on me (the hints, the subsequent condescension and dismissal, and the insistence on me being untruthful - which btw, anybody independently can just go check at this point and confirm whether I’m right or not), and some of the other contributions were Scum indicative, and I felt I might as well make it obvious to get some reactions because the only other person really pushing it is you, and there’s a whole lot of slots that seem to want to just move on.-
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I expanded upon my reasoning. And in my view, the root of I t isn’t a miscommunication. I don’t think this is an accurate characterization of the situation, if I may say so.In post 413, Morning Tweet wrote:I am sorry if i came off as hand-wavey earlier, I don't think it's all garbage or anything like that. But you and scorpios argument hits a lot of the familiar notes for me I guess to where it feels like an argument that isn't being informed by either of your alignments, and rather your play.
I looked at your initial vote. You said something like how you roll town often, then Scorp took you fairly seriously, interpreting it as a gamblers fallacy. You in response think, "You're accusing me of a gambler's fallacy? You can't seriously think I meant it like that, *vote*"
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I felt the “Christ” was condescending. Perhaps sarcastic isn’t the exact term. Whichever way you prefer to describe it, I would argue it isn’t equal to an overreaction. If you think someone has bad logic, and you highlight that bad logic by using a remark like there, and then you put a vote down, at most you could argue that the reasoning is bad, or you could say that you disagree. But an overreaction? The accusation seems incorrect. Look if you want me to further that thought - I think Scorpious is using a rather innocuous post to cast shade onto a slot in a way I disagree with. How about that?-
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Can you expand upon why you like the observation? It seems like you’re saying that you don’t think there’s any Scum motivation behind that sequence of posts, but still think that the observation is a good one. You also seem to have said that you think I’m Town. Is there any reason why the vote on my slot isn’t raising any suspicions from you if that’s the case? Not trying to argue certain players should entirely be judged based on results, of course. I just think that’s interesting.In post 425, Morning Tweet wrote: I don't see why scum would have an "Oh yikes" moment and have to reel back that first post. That being said i like the observation-
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I have to say - I really don’t like this grouping. Scorpious is expressing a lot of confidence that I’m Scum, yet you think both of us are Town? So you think I’m just way off? I also can’t quite understand why you would have STD in that early group of what seem like your surefire Town. geraintm even less so, especially when they’ve said that most of their posts are all just fluff. I would argue geraintm hasn’t deviated all that far away from null territory.In post 417, Morning Tweet wrote:There are a lot of towny players so far. I think gerain, Scorp, Andre, angela, Dragons are all town and i might even be able to expound upon those
pedit: I don't think i'm anything but fair there to be honest, at least for the first few posts in the exchange. I haven't read the lengthier later ones yet though, correct-
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This isn’t remotely accurate.In post 430, Scorpious wrote:Andres,
You’re just throwing shade anywhere you can fit it right now..
I don’t like it, but I don’t think scum comes out blasting like you do tbh.
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I have been very targeted with my shade and my questions. You just want to make broad statements about my play, but you’re way off.-
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You’re the one probing aggressively at me, not the other way around. I didn’t know it was a serious vote. I now realize it wasn’t. That was clarified later.In post 434, Nero Cain wrote:
man take a chill pill.In post 319, Andresvmb wrote:You don’t like my reasoning? Well tough shit.
how do you know this is a serious vote?In post 320, Andresvmb wrote:You usually start with votes that are random, and are loathe to put a serious vote down. So what triggered this?
not really. So what NM is scum and his 2 buddies are like "hey let's steer this convo away from NM." and town just shuts up in fear? like what do you think here?In post 337, Morning Tweet wrote:Does no one else find it weird that half of the game instantly shuts down any and all discussion surrounding NM for some reason?
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I was talking about the first response, not the second one. I responded rudely because Nero was also rude in their very first interaction. The second question is valid and I didn’t imply otherwise.In post 448, Morning Tweet wrote:
All he did was point out a bad assumption you made, it was hardly aggressive.In post 444, Andresvmb wrote:
You’re the one probing aggressively at me, not the other way around. I didn’t know it was a serious vote. I now realize it wasn’t. That was clarified later.In post 434, Nero Cain wrote:
man take a chill pill.In post 319, Andresvmb wrote:You don’t like my reasoning? Well tough shit.
how do you know this is a serious vote?In post 320, Andresvmb wrote:You usually start with votes that are random, and are loathe to put a serious vote down. So what triggered this?
not really. So what NM is scum and his 2 buddies are like "hey let's steer this convo away from NM." and town just shuts up in fear? like what do you think here?In post 337, Morning Tweet wrote:Does no one else find it weird that half of the game instantly shuts down any and all discussion surrounding NM for some reason?
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Sigh. Alright I’ll explain this now and frankly just drop it - I don’t think Nero is Scum and this isn’t going anywhere.In post 455, Morning Tweet wrote:
You mean the "Take a chill pill" comment..? That's a de-escalating comment, i'm not sure what you meanIn post 450, Andresvmb wrote:I was talking about the first response, not the second one. I responded rudely because Nero was also rude in their very first interaction. The second question is valid and I didn’t imply otherwise.
Nero attacked my take on why I needed to be careful with Pooky. I obviously didn’t put forth reasoning I thought was stupid, but it’s also not a particularly strong point and I’m not playing the entire game tip toeing around Pooky because I’ve been wrong there before. Nero basically said it was shit. So I said that I didn’t care. I thought Nero was a bit rude, and I responded in kind. Asking me to “take a chill pill” is silly because they clearly weren’t kind and were trying to elicit a response. If I make a dig at you, and you then respond, it’s cheap to then be “oh but relax”.
If you think about it, Scorpious is doing this too, but Scorpious is an even worse offender. Scorpious says I’m throwing shade wherever (with no evidence mind you to back that up), and when I respond that the comment isn't remotely accurate, they accuse me of being defensive. If you aren’t willing to back up your point, then don’t be surprised when I dismiss it as terrible.-
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No apology necessary.In post 461, Morning Tweet wrote: It feels like we're seeing entirely different universes this game sometimes
For what it's worth though I do see the rude comment you're referring to now so I get the context better. I figured the "take a chill pill" was referring to you and Scorp, not you and Nero, i hadn't realized there was more to it. My apologies
And yes, we are seeing dramatically different universes. But there’s a very good reason for it. You’re TR’ing Scorpious. I find that read preposterous. However, I know my alignment. And I know Scorpious has made really reachy arguments and I can be sure of that because I know what I rolled. I’m totally ignoring btw the hilarious comment that they’ve been criticizing my imagined reliance on gambler’s fallacy only to make that post about how maybe I’m overdue to be Scum twice in a row. I am fully assuming that’s a joke and moving on.
I just don’t think my read there is totally imagined, and I think you’re way off because I’m assuming part of how you’re looking at the game depends on that read. angela has really hinted at this heavily in that the way they’ve approached trying to read me is so fatally flawed, it’s hard for me to conclude they’re Town. That’s what it boils down to.-
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I think the backing off by saying I’m too aggressive for Scum (even though they did say aggressiveness wasn’t AI just before) is a form of self-defense.
I can also see my suspicions are being dismissed wholesale by most players so I’ll attach myself to whatever case I find most convincing elsewhere then and stick to that. I’m just not going to try and impose my opinion too much because it’ll just be aggravating.-
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I’m talking about 398 and 430.In post 466, Andresvmb wrote:I think the backing off by saying I’m too aggressive for Scum (even though they did say aggressiveness wasn’t AI just before) is a form of self-defense.
I can also see my suspicions are being dismissed wholesale by most players so I’ll attach myself to whatever case I find most convincing elsewhere then and stick to that. I’m just not going to try and impose my opinion too much because it’ll just be aggravating.-
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If I’m being totally honest, I would really appreciate you expanding on what exactly is not AI and what do you think is, and what you’re conclusion is when you have a moment. I have played enough mafia games that I don’t think I get myself into fights a lot about stuff that has no bearing on someone’s alignment.In post 469, Morning Tweet wrote:I have yet to really look at Scorp super critically i guess, it's just that Scorp/Angela and Scorp/you have been having arguments that really hit a lot of the "this is not AI" notes for me and from what i did read from him i was agreeing with
It could be very well that you are correct it just wasnt my first instinct. I should do better to recognize what exactly is colouring my view of the gamestate tbh but i am trying my best!-
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I agree it happens a lot D1. I don’t think I do it an enormous amount. Everybody does it because yeah, everyone makes mistakes. That includes me.In post 473, Morning Tweet wrote:
hahaha i still get into fights with no bearing on alignment plenty. That's just playing the game. i need someone else to tell me too, or else I won't stopIn post 471, Andresvmb wrote:
If I’m being totally honest, I would really appreciate you expanding on what exactly is not AI and what do you think is, and what you’re conclusion is when you have a moment. I have played enough mafia games that I don’t think I get myself into fights a lot about stuff that has no bearing on someone’s alignment.In post 469, Morning Tweet wrote:I have yet to really look at Scorp super critically i guess, it's just that Scorp/Angela and Scorp/you have been having arguments that really hit a lot of the "this is not AI" notes for me and from what i did read from him i was agreeing with
It could be very well that you are correct it just wasnt my first instinct. I should do better to recognize what exactly is colouring my view of the gamestate tbh but i am trying my best!
I think a large amount of fights that happen on day one are like that to tell you the truth.
i'll definitely try and elaborate on my exact feelings later today. I might end up agreeing with you on scorp or maybe it'll at least communicate what i was seeing earlier better
Regardless of how often it may or may not happen, I am very interested in how it applies to Scorpious. Because at a gut level, I really strongly disagree.-
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You don’t think saying “I think your logic is kind of dumb” is a bit rude? You can’t think of a better way to say that?
I know I can come across as aggressive. That’s fine. But don’t dump the entire fault at my feet, because that’s just not fair. Nero you’ve been criticized in other games as being blunt. Or do you think I’m just making it up?