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lol I love how yall had the exact same reaction to that post as me, and by Charles not having it, and ignoring it completely, slightly sus of Charles for a partner
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I mean, my issue is more your post reads as nervous scum to post, like, no thoughts on anything else posted?In post 33, AnimatedWiz wrote: My first game featured a quickhammer D1, so I’m a bit reluctant to throw out a vote super early (since I was the first to vote for that person). I respect the suspicion, though.
it's like, your post just feels a lot more like an awkward scum entrance than towny one, I understand not wanting to vote, but like, you're putting more focus on why you're not voting, implying you wanna wait forever to vote, and based on your posts so far, you're putting more focus on "I don't wanna vote" than "I think my reads are this"
which is why I think you're scum, idk what charles is doing, but it feels like scum trying to pull attention away from a partner, so that's how I SR you both (you're the stronger sr) and the 2 voting you are my town leans cause that was honestly my reaction-
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This post?? I know you said you were newer here, do you mean new as in like, having never played mafia before? Us discussing what the nightkill will be does nothing for us, ideally we find mafia, and I have yet to see you try to do thatIn post 51, AnimatedWiz wrote:
Do you think the scum would go for you and risk not getting a nightkill off, or do you think they’d go for someone unexpected and hope they get a power role? Obviously, lots of WIFOM here, but I’ve never played with an Innocent Child before and I’m not sure what the meta is around them.-
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What I don’t know about is the “don’t like Charles gpt post, not good!!” stuff followed by no votes there, like… no votes??
idk i’m on phone and have spent most of today sleeping-
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dann’s playstyle this game seems too chill/laid back, I also don’t know what I think of it
bug’s early readslist is probably a good sign for bug, time shall tell, but that’s definitely not the kind of effort scum would likely give this slow paced game-
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Charles/Animated/dann are my early leaders for where I’m looking, obv they’re not the scumteam, Shrek had a weak post if I remember? a lot of the player list just isn’t doing much and idk how I feel about it, cause one possibility would be in a town!animated world, scum is trying to stay out of it, let us town take charge there then tomorrow they’d be “off the hook”-
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scum can? why do you think I literally said what I said…In post 67, Hu Tao wrote:
Why can't scum give that effort?In post 66, Andante wrote: dann’s playstyle this game seems too chill/laid back, I also don’t know what I think of it
bug’s early readslist is probably a good sign for bug, time shall tell, but that’s definitely not the kind of effort scum would likely give this slow paced game
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“time shall tell”In post 70, Hu Tao wrote: Am I reading wrong..? You literally said that's not the kind of effort scum would give? And I'm asking why that's the case-
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it feels like nothing is happening, thus feels slow, idk my days are stupid fast paced these days lol cause the stuff I can comment on are essentially just replies to stuff people say about my posts and mehhhIn post 72, BlackStar wrote:
Thinking that the Chat GPT stuff is weird isn't the same thing as thinking that it's inherently scummyIn post 65, Andante wrote: What I don’t know about is the “don’t like Charles gpt post, not good!!” stuff followed by no votes there, like… no votes??
idk i’m on phone and have spent most of today sleeping
Why do you think that this game is slow-paced? It seems like everyone is already firing on all syllables and trying to find anything to latch onto.In post 66, Andante wrote: dann’s playstyle this game seems too chill/laid back, I also don’t know what I think of it
bug’s early readslist is probably a good sign for bug, time shall tell, but that’s definitely not the kind of effort scum would likely give this slow paced game
I agree that brrightbluebug's read list feels townie
readwise, not a whole lot to go off of, but like today was my day off, so obviously I wish it were faster..
also I kinda love what seems to be polar opposite reqctions to my thoughts on bug’s list lol-
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are we serious? I’m the one here posting filler just to post?
TIME SHALL TELL LITERALLY MEANS IM NOT LOCKING IN THE READ AND PLAN ON REEVALUATING IT, All i did was comment on that being a good look and I’ll stand by it, and I’m used to fast paced maf lol so this is very slow to me but whatever…
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it's hard to explain, but this post feels like scum taking advantage of a bad post from town, gives me flashbacks to me as scum where I'll jump on a bad town post like this...In post 84, bob3141 wrote:
very bad voteIn post 81, Charles510 wrote: ok, no more ChatGPT posts, I promise to be me.
brightbluebug, please set up an avatar picture ASAP. That is one of my pet peeves.
I only know one thing, Generic is town. I will sheep wherever he goes. For that reason I am placing my vote on
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So your saying you arnt trying to solve the game as thats what it looks like. Out side of conf town voting there dont you want to atleast sort that player. As what makes you think gen is even right.
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Looking at the PL, I can't recall anything from these 5
- Gumiguy
- Afrayed Knott
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I could see a Black and bob team tbh, bob is the only one Black has made a point to go "I think X is town BECAUSE of this reason" and then the 3rd is likely in shrek/gumi/afrayed or something like thatIn post 52, Black wrote: bob feels town. I like his point re: Andante. Making associations this early kinda feels like they are trying to do too much? Like "hey I'm solving I'm so town"-
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idk, I read 84 and just really didn't like it-
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* I don't do rvsIn post 99, BlackStar wrote: It's like you wanted to rush out of RVS the second it started and you're throwing shade at everyone who isn't trying to move as quickly as you
* I'm just giving my thoughts on stuff as I read it, knowing full well I'm going to fall behind
like, I'm literally just trying my best here with what yall are giving me to work with, I'm off of work right now, thus I have the time to give this my all, thus I am here. not entirely sure the issue? If you wanna take charge/get people to start playing, be my guest!! but hey, I literally have to start somewhere to get reads, and as time moves on, my reads evolve-
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why am I pocketing charles? I don't care to sort a slot doing nothing, your post looked more like scum quoting town/finding bad logic town says and going there than this actual thought you hadIn post 104, bob3141 wrote: Be honest what you have done heere just looks like your trying to pocket charles by white knighting them
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very bad vote
So your saying you arnt trying to solve the game as thats what it looks like. Out side of conf town voting there dont you want to atleast sort that player. As what makes you think gen is even right.
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That doesn't look like you going "I SR this person" it looks like you're trying to say just wnough for someone else to go "yeah!! charles scummy!!!" when you KNOW there were like 5 people who just called charles scummy the other page
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Gumiguy is town. that's my strongest tr-
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I liked 102, that seemed like it comes from town-
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I feel like calling town for only the readslist is dangerous though, like yes good look, but we've had nothing since, so ehhh
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I mean, I said I wanted more, just that list isn't enough for a tr from meIn post 120, Dannflor wrote: am i the only one who hated bug's reads list-
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the list is kinda all bug has done... like where's the live interaction with anyone?In post 121, Black wrote:
true, but the day is only two IRL days long. the fact that bug hasn't posted more hasn't pinged me yet. and yeah posting a readslist isn't inherently townie but i tend to townread it when a newbie does it for some reasonIn post 118, Andante wrote:I feel like calling town for only the readslist is dangerous though, like yes good look, but we've had nothing since, so ehhh
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How was anything I said “trying to look busy”??In post 154, BlackStar wrote:
I'm choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and say that they're probably just overeager town. But there's a chance that they're scum trying to look busy. I guess I'll say that I'm 70% sure they're town right nowIn post 153, Dannflor wrote: ok so do you scum read adante?-
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In post 160, Hu Tao wrote: I think Andante seems a bit forced at the moment.In post 161, Hu Tao wrote:
While I scumread Andante, I feel this reason for your Andante read seems like you're tiptoe-ing this and makes me want to scumread you too.In post 154, BlackStar wrote:
I'm choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and say that they're probably just overeager town. But there's a chance that they're scum trying to look busy. I guess I'll say that I'm 70% sure they're town right nowIn post 153, Dannflor wrote: ok so do you scum read adante?out for blood... or so it seems, then you move on, and I wanna say I saw you calling me maf again recently, I have no votes on me currently, so like all you're gonna do is just sit there and call me maf?
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I mean, it's really feeling like you're trying not to take many stance here, so calling someone else out for not taking stances??In post 179, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't Town read her, but besides that. Your post kinda felt like you didn't want to take a stance. So in my point of view you look like partnersIn post 165, BlackStar wrote: At this point multiple people have said that Andante’s posts felt a bit unnatural but that they ultimately town read her. Which is the same thing that I said. I’m not sure what the problem is
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There's no way Dann is not your scum partner... reading this post...In post 178, AnimatedWiz wrote: Oh, thanks for reminding me! Uh, let’s see… he seems shrewd, and like he’s making a decent readlist in his head. I personally would like to hear it, but I get the feeling that it’ll come later D1 or D2 (and will probably be great then but need that time to be completed). I townread him personally, but it’s only at a moderate strength right now.-
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In post 192, AnimatedWiz wrote: I’m also not a fan of how short Charles’s answers are—just going to put this here to document my feelings for now.
VOTE: Charles510
voting charles now? not earlier?? really feels like you're just trying to play it safe hereIn post 199, AnimatedWiz wrote: I’m going to keep my vote on Charles for now—I admit that reaction wasn’t what I expected, but I feel like I should just keep my eye on him anyway.-
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Team is probably like bob/dann/animated
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how has anything I said "twisting what I read to match my thoughts" I know I'll do that, but like, I haven't been locked into any set teamIn post 141, bob3141 wrote: Andante if im right and ypur town you need to stop making these reads that depend on partnerships its going to be impossible to spot correctly and then spend the rest of same twisting what you read to match your conf bias-
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So yeah, I think I'm good with an animated vote. I don't like 178 at all, and the was we talk about dann there just... nah it's not town talking about a genuine read. I could be wrong on partners, but I'm not wrong on animated being scum, cause that flip to the charles stuff too, just has terrible timing, there's no chance animated is town-
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hmmmm
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I don't know if I love the person just coasting... agreeing with me-
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this feels like... idk.. "let me hop on this wagon andante seems passionate about!!!"In post 218, Gumiguy wrote: Honestly, I feel like Annie's posts just don't come from a townie. He seems apprehensive about making any non-town reads on anyone and when he does it feels... superficial. The scum read on Charles for answering a question is just odd, and his first post not including a vote during RVS felt overly safe as well.
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I think I like Animated... at least enough for a d1 pass-
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What makes charles so high on your list?In post 313, Black wrote: [Hu Tau, Charles, Andante]
[Bob, BlackStar]
[Shrek, bug, Afrayed Knott]
[Gumiguy, Dannflor]
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Charles, did this ever happen? What have you come up withIn post 193, Charles510 wrote: Whoa, hold up, wait. Let me read and come up with some things.-
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you keep calling charles lhf, but quite honestly, has charles even done anything to be TRed? Black over here has charles in the top rank of TRs... off of that ISO?? you're as confident in your read on charles as you are as hu tao/me??In post 318, Dannflor wrote: Look at the people he’s voting and scum reading
Not exactly unpopular or hard slots to push
He only posted a big reads list after he got pressure for not providing many real stances
I think he’s much closer to passive and careful in terms of how he’s responding to people and handling the thread
I’d be much more impressed if he pushed someone like, say, me, instead of going after the LHF and accusing me of doing the same to discredit me
black is definitely becoming a sr of mine, but I want something of value from charles or im perfectly fine yeeting charles d1-
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that doesn't come from new scum??In post 193, Charles510 wrote: Whoa, hold up, wait. Let me read and come up with some things.-
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and that too??In post 197, Charles510 wrote:
Thank you for that. I'm pretty new to mafia and don't know what to say.In post 195, Black wrote: UNVOTE:
I kind of expected a different response from Charles here if he's a new player that rolled scum. I feel like it's more likely he would ask for advice in the scum PT rather than quickly posting that he'll read and "come up with some stuff"-
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I don't feel like we're reading the same game-
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so if someone is new and scum, they'd be posting more?? like, I'm not getting what you're saying here, charles is the textbook coasting new scum right now.
there's literally 3 in the scum team, with good partners charles really doesn't have to do much-
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if charles is scum, dann is a partner for sure, all dann keeps doing is yelling about how charles is lhf, which like, yeah sure. but if charles flips scum, that "defense" is just "mehhh lhf slot" if charles!town it's "told yall lhf"-
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basically no one is SRing him, and you didn't bat an eye at how he's one of black's top TRs??In post 329, Dannflor wrote: I’m not confident charles is town, I could be wrong
But i don’t like most of the slots scum reading him which makes me think of him as more likely to be town
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you think the guy talking about chat gpt would go to the PT and go "what do i do??"In post 331, Black wrote:In post 323, Andante wrote:
that doesn't come from new scum??In post 193, Charles510 wrote: Whoa, hold up, wait. Let me read and come up with some things.
I already explained this but I think newscum is more likely to go to the PT for advice here instead of frantically posting that they'll find something of substance after a couple of votes pile onto themIn post 324, Andante wrote:
and that too??In post 197, Charles510 wrote:
Thank you for that. I'm pretty new to mafia and don't know what to say.In post 195, Black wrote: UNVOTE:
I kind of expected a different response from Charles here if he's a new player that rolled scum. I feel like it's more likely he would ask for advice in the scum PT rather than quickly posting that he'll read and "come up with some stuff"
And yeah I don't think scum would thank me for townreading them lol
cause I seriously doubt that's how that would ever play out, and I'm not even sure you believe what you just said...-
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I already said I'm giving Animated a d1 pass, I'm limming in you/charles/ possibly dannIn post 333, Black wrote: Andante what are your current thoughts on Annie?-
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So hang on here, I don't even believe charles is actually new, but this post is like... basically saying someone is coaching in the scum pt... and there's only 3 people here with access to itIn post 335, AnimatedWiz wrote:
To be fair, with how many new and returning players there are this game, it’s not impossible for there to be multiple inexperienced people on the scumteam, or even for all of them to be.In post 327, Andante wrote: there's literally 3 in the scum team, with good partners charles really doesn't have to do much
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I think what's happening is someone is TMIing Charles town, cause that slot has nothing towny in that iso... and uhhh what I said earlier about a d1 pass... I take that comment back...In post 337, Black wrote:
Maybe he didn't bat an eye because he actually saw my reasoning and you skipped over it?In post 332, Andante wrote:
basically no one is SRing him, and you didn't bat an eye at how he's one of black's top TRs??In post 329, Dannflor wrote: I’m not confident charles is town, I could be wrong
But i don’t like most of the slots scum reading him which makes me think of him as more likely to be town
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I just have some doubts with Animated, and it's like, they keep talking... Gumi? Charles? basically no where to be found.In post 339, Black wrote:
I'm down to go Dann tbh but I'd rather go Annie firstIn post 336, Andante wrote:
I already said I'm giving Animated a d1 pass, I'm limming in you/charles/ possibly dannIn post 333, Black wrote: Andante what are your current thoughts on Annie?
And a part of me like really SRs dann lol, his play is like.. idk feels scummy, but my reads have been changing too much I don't wanna commit to a lim yet-
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I just hate the huge gap we have between top posters and people not posting... literally a reason I wanna lim in the lower posters-
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actually.... bug.. has done NOTHING since that readslist... yeah I'll put bug as the #1 person I wanna yeet here-
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also feels like tmi knowing I'm town, tmi that gumi is town? afrayed might be a partner, I know afrayed has been posting, its been a lot and I haven't read much of it..In post 229, brightbluebug wrote: this is out of place in the current conversation but while adante’s activeness and making associations so quickly puts me off a bit, if they were scum they likely would have stopped pushing rather than making the partnership read and reaffirming their confidence in animated being scum.
gumiguy’s post 102 doesn’t seem suspicious or indicative of anything, afrayed could you tell me more about your reasoningIn post 216, Afrayed Knott wrote: Post #102 just still does not sit right in my mind. And lack of content is a burning star right now. Eyes still on Dann, want to see what he brings to the table now.-
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but 229 feels a lot like trying to interact with partner afrayed...which goes along with the coaching whatever since bug hasn't tried to interact with anyone else-
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yeah like, based on afrayed's posts (not that I'm really reading them) it's really feeling like afrayed would be a coaching type person, I saw your reads near that and I wanna say I might be on the same page as you with like, bug/afrayed/BlackStarIn post 351, Dannflor wrote:
I did think this was a possible partner interactionIn post 349, Andante wrote: but 229 feels a lot like trying to interact with partner afrayed...which goes along with the coaching whatever since bug hasn't tried to interact with anyone else
I hated BlackStar's reads list which is also around there-
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I mean yeah sure, but like if you look at activity... it's 30+ posters and under 10 posters... meaning they'll spend their "free time" catching up.. like I won't be here this weekend much, so I don't care what they decide to do, I work with the info I have now.In post 350, AnimatedWiz wrote:In post 346, Andante wrote: actually.... bug.. has done NOTHING since that readslist... yeah I'll put bug as the #1 person I wanna yeet here
Is it possible that any of them will get more active during the weekend due to having free time then?
VOTE: bug
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also like, a bunch of us were all "yeah!! bug towny for the reads list!!" then bug simply dissapeared... as if to go "ok my job here is done" which like, is much more likely to come from scum, since a lot of time town doesn't care how they're looked at, town's job is to find scum, and scum's main focus is to look towny... so yeah I'm definitely thinking a bug lim here is good-
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I do not tr blackstar at all lolIn post 361, Dannflor wrote: I think scum would feel relieved too
What do you make of BlackStar doing the same thing after you said you town read that-
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I'm a tad confused on this... like, you saw shrek was getting prodded, and at that point you just wait for them to return and go from there??In post 358, AnimatedWiz wrote: That’s rather possible, but I think Shrek is the most suspicious out of that group. Their only “real” posts (43 and 95) seem to have analysis, but ultimately both just say certain peoplecouldbe town and in doing so try to take heat off certain people (me, Andante, Charles, and Bob). It comes off as rather weak and wishy-washy, even in my opinion.
VOTE: Shrek-
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Do you think it's more likely to be scum indicative or town indicative for someone to try to interact in live time before catching up on many pages?In post 384, Black wrote: Why are you asking questions and being present when you still have many pages to read? Just curious-
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