Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

I am posting to say I have nothing to say and I don't feel like making a random vote. I was going to make a sweet reaction test but then I was like well I have done that multiple times before and it gets old but that might be because I ran out of original ideas. Anyways I came to the conclusion I would post this instead.

I hope you enjoyed my post and I implore those of you out there who have not posted yet to do so in haste. Good Day.

[Slandaar]

Hi friends. I guess i'll be the first to RV.

Vote: Slandaar

What? You didn't enjoy my post? You were not even slightly entertained?

Slandaar get in here and confirm that the last game i was in with you where you didnt vote in your first post you were scum plz

How do you expect me to remember such things? I will have to cross reference your name with my database to find out if this is the case or not. I will just input Bacde into this field and hit search and... Loading... hrm, sorry, I must have forgotten to upgrade since 1990 so we may be here a while but don't worry eventually it will produce an answer!

[Slandaar]

Hrm

Bacde.

I am watching you.

[Slandaar]

One would assume that if you were town, you'd be watching everyone, no?

[Slandaar]

I really hate RVS meta-expert pretenders they have fooled me one too many times.

[Slandaar]

it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

What is this?

[Slandaar]

Hrm.

[Slandaar]

Josh you need to answer my question.

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar
Could you tell us your thoughts on the game?

[Slandaar]

I just don't understand.

You need to step by step walk me through it.

[Slandaar]

What is this? You're pushing JoshB for more of an answer and you left this hanging?

Yes?

I can want clarification of an answer to my question while not wanting to answer a question asked of me.

[Slandaar]

It's hypocritical

This doesn't answer the question. Why can't I;

want clarification of an answer to my question while not wanting to answer a question asked of me.

Perhaps for example, just as an example, I want the answer before I answer.

and the fact no one noticed is very odd. Also, the fact you didn't call this out in others is odd. I don't like it when you get odd Slandaar. It usually means you are scum.

Clarify for me what you think I should have called out please and when.

[Slandaar]

You should have called out #115

So, you think I should call out someone for not calling me out for being hypocritical when I have shown the 'hypocrisy' means nothing thus I clearly would not call anyone out for such an act. Not to mention you have already called it out so it would be pointless to do so anyways...

and Chaos should have called you out. Same with Mir.

Even if this were true I don't see what this has to do with me.

You are allowed to be hypocritical. It's not a trait associated with being town though. There's no law against it though.

So, to summarise; I have asked you to explain what is wrong with the hypocrisy and you respond by saying it is hypocritical. That is not an answer.

Why, Titus, can I not wait for an answer to my question before answering a question asked of me AFTER I asked my question?

You are just using a ridiculous buzzword that is not a scum trait in the first place.

VOTE: Slandaar

VOTE: Titus

[Slandaar]

What are the circumstances in which you will cooperate with the town and answer questions?

I didn't say I wouldn't answer questions or that I won't answer yours in time; obviously at some point I will post my opinion I just don't want to right now.

Besides I did answer, with a smiley, if you are unhappy do what I did with Josh or ask why.

Titus has failed to answer this so you try (shes scum); What is scummy about wanting my questions answered while deciding not to answer yours?

[Slandaar]

To push through a quick Josh B lynch

If I wanted to do that I could just say I think hes making things up and vote him instead of giving him every chance to explain. Besides I have clearly not been trying to push a Josh lynch through up-to this point at all so this has no basis.

to avoid taking anything that resembles a position that can bite him on the ass... there's two there.

I have taken a position on you which you saw coming hence the pre-emptive vote on me.

I will post more opinions later but for now I feel it best not to. Obviously there is nothing wrong with me taking this stance. Which is your whole argument out the window.

[Slandaar]

I did ask "why".

No, you asked me when I would answer not why I didn't answer.

What are the circumstances in which you will answer questions? When will that time come? When you develop a meaningful wagon? When you think I forget (I won't)? When the world cup is over? If you actually think answering with a smiley is satisfactory then I have to let you know I am not so easily satisfied. I scum hunt by asking questions. Townies rarely have to hide what they're doing. An opinion on the game is not some esoteric question.

The answer to: When will I post my opinions on the game: When I feel it best to do so.

I very much dislike how you keep using 'questions' when it is one question. I mean I answered one in this post... get your facts straight.

[Slandaar]

My argument was that you are accusing me of something that clearly has no basis I have been doing the opposite and you reply with 'hahaha thats null doesn't make you town!'

Hahaha indeed.

[Slandaar]

This is the entire conversation thread for ease of viewing;

Besides even if slandaar was purposely ignoring reinoe's question, so what? What would be the scum motivation for doing that?

To push through a quick Josh B lynch

If I wanted to do that I could just say I think hes making things up and vote him instead of giving him every chance to explain. Besides I have clearly not been trying to push a Josh lynch through up-to this point at all so this has no basis.

Hahaha...[removed explanation] That's a null.

Begin the lynching process.

[Slandaar]

I never voted him.

Die.

[Slandaar]

This is the end.

You have been pushing a vote through on him.

My ONLY posts regarding Josh:

What is this?

Josh you need to answer my question.

I just don't understand.

You need to step by step walk me through it.

I actually understand it a bit better now in regards to what he said but this pattern stuff still needs explaining.

Nothing here is pushing any lynch through on anyone.

I expect Titus to be dead by tomorrow.

[Slandaar]

Your posts are hypocritical designed to push a wagon through on Josh

Nope

They are designed to help me decide if Josh is town or scum.

...while not being on it. Oh Josh is a major wagon... oh he has questions outstanding, better go remind everyone.

Reminding Josh he didn't answer a question that I asked him is scummy?

Nonsense.

You are just making things up to suit your agenda.

[Slandaar]

That wording is so slimeball-esque.

[Slandaar]

I'll explain more this evening Sorry I was up late last night.

Just get to the pattern thing please.

[Slandaar]

idk Slandaar's play kinda feels like his scum meta for whatever reason.

Not that I doubt you but I would like you to show me where you get your impression of my scum meta from.

[Slandaar]

Bacde why are you changing your opinion based on TSO's opinion on my scum meta which he has no clue about?

You have seen my scum meta and clearly this isn't it.

[Slandaar]

Because Titus and I want open communications in the same way.

Mhmm

Slandaars conduct.

lol

@slandaar:
What's scummy is that you're gaining information without providing any. You're willingly and intentionally not providing any. You have so far refused to elaborate on the terms, conditions, timing, or circumstances in which you will be providing information. It's in some nebulous time off in the future. Your post allows you to defer indefinitely, possibly in the hopes that I forget.

OK this is ridiculous now.

Reinoe is scum aswell, there is no way he continues misrepping as town when I have pointed it out twice already.

@slandaar:
What's scummy is that you're gaining information without providing any.

How is that scummy? it isn't. I am providing information by questioning people so this is bunk anyways.

You're willingly and intentionally not providing any.

Untrue. I said I wouldn't answer one question. I have posted a lot of information.

You have so far refused to elaborate on the terms, conditions, timing, or circumstances in which you will be providing information.

Again, Untrue, I said I would answer your question when I feel it best to do so. Those are the circumstances the terms are clearly I post them when I want and the conditions? You should have asked why.

It's in some nebulous time off in the future. Your post allows you to defer indefinitely, possibly in the hopes that I forget.

As I have already said, clearly I would have to post my opinions eventually, therefore this 'reasoning' is just bad. As scum I am not going to refuse to post any opinions throughout the entire game.

Why Reinoe did you never ask me why?
(rhetorical you don't need to answer)

Are you actually suggesting as scum I wouldn't post any opinions ever?
(this requires an answer)

[Slandaar]

Which is some far off unspecified moment.

Yes, but then, I don't know exactly when it will be.

You don't mention the conditions of "when you feel it is best to do so".

When I am happy with my opinions(reads) which generally involves everyone in the game having posted and in this case deciding what I think about Josh.

Which is the answer to why. You got there eventually.

You don't mention the circumstance of "when you feel it is best to do so".

This really is long winded, isn't it?

You don't mention a timeframe of "when you feel it is best to do so".

It should go without saying the answer is I don't know when I will feel it is best to do so, but today at some point obviously.

Even if I were scum I am not going to refuse to post opinions for days.

So, Timeframe really didn't need answering.

Wow, that was long.

So yep. Everything I've said is true.

No, it's not.

I have provided information and answered questions and even posted opinions. I just didn't answer your question. You have continually suggested to the contrary.

Well look at your conduct. I've seen scum get away with some bizarro world shit.

So, the answer is yes, you have been arguing I was trying to never post an opinion on anything.

But I have posted opinions?

Is this normal behavior for him? Does he normally do this?

What do you think?

On one hand I find it hard to believe scum would just be so brazenly evasive: on the other hand only myself and Titus have issues with this.

Amazing.

[Slandaar]

(Bacde + Slandaar).

I don't town read Bacde you do like making things up.

More Titus votes.

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar, you have refused to post opinions for days. By the time I'm begging for opinions, a player almost certainly has gone days without posting.

What?

I don't even care what you are saying anymore. It's just such nonsense you are dying today.

[Slandaar]

Oh really? So you scumread him then and think we're buddies? A null answer is unacceptable given the content he's posted btw.

I am undecided.

So, I guess null but worded differently.

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar, keep stalling on giving content. Just to further prove you are scum, why undecided on Bacde?

I have posted lots of content so I am not stalling.

Undecided: some things are suspicious but then Bacde also has lots going for him. This can somewhat be seen in the 'I am watching you Bacde' post very early on and later when I question him on following TSO's 'meta' knowledge. Where did you get that I was town reading him? Yes, making things up.

Please can we lynch Titus now.

[Slandaar]

I don't think there is anyone who couldn't use coaching from me to be honest in regards to town play. Scum play though... I do have lurking like a champ down to an art form.

[Slandaar]

Whatever I can't be bothered arguing people clearly don't read, vig, all votes to Titus.

[Slandaar]

Why did you not unvote? Oh wait.

[Slandaar]

Josh you appear to have missed where I strung Titus up. You should read.

[Slandaar]

I am sure you read my posts knife and you are going to vote Titus any second.

[Slandaar]

Any second now I have faith in you.

[Slandaar]

You read all my posts rein?

[Slandaar]

Just so you can't weasel out.

[Slandaar]

This is kinda hilarious but also really shows how bad this town is.

[Slandaar]

I'm a vig.

I did claim on the previous page but apparently no-one except Titus has noticed... I knew people were not reading but it's just ridiculous.

So, do you guys actually want to lynch scum now or what?

[Slandaar]

I can't be bothered to argue so here is my conftown claim good day.
(translated)

How is that not a claim?

[Slandaar]

And if slandaar is SK?

Remove all scum
Slandaar loses.

Not really rocket science.

[Slandaar]

Plus chances are I get shot tonight soooooooo.

Reinoe is scum though already knew this.

[Slandaar]

No I think I have called 2 people scum in this game.

I thought I hadn't been posting any opinions though? Wasn't that your argument?

Hrmmmmmmmmmm

[Slandaar]

I am so much happier now I have claimed I can actually play my game.

Titus read EPM's post.

[Slandaar]

We can lynch Titus anytime now.

[Slandaar]

EPM: I will do TSO read later
Titus: nice deep TSO read
Sland: Titus read EPM's post
Titus: WAHHHHHHHHH

Anytime now. Anytime...

[Slandaar]

EPM: I will do TSO read later
Titus: nice deep TSO read
Sland: Titus read EPM's post
Titus: WAHHHHHHHHH

Anytime now. Anytime...

Titus' comment was sarcasm dude. This is why I trust Titus, because I totally get her and she is definitely town.

Thank you for your terrible post.

I know it was sarcasm

The point you are missing is EPM said he would do it later. Therefore Titus clearly had not read the entire post.

How this went over your head after I pointed it out it ridiculous clearly just defending Titus without thinking.

[Slandaar]

Amusingly Titus is voting Josh who she had been assuming is town the entire game for no reason.

Hrmmmm.

The no reason part solves this mystery.

[Slandaar]

We will see.

[Slandaar]

There can be a backup cop without a cop. Millers/Godfathers without cops is a similar thing.

At this point if there is a cop/gunsmith they can investigate me n1 so voting me is beyond bad, Bacde.

[Slandaar]

if there is a backup cop there is a cop -_-

What I said is correct.

[Slandaar]

Not that anyone is going to listen but TSO is likely scum his tone has been off all game.

[Slandaar]

Mini 1560 -- Titus pushing against Scum Slandaar

Stop it. Slandaar is the scum. A) He has a total lack of activity and is unapologetic for such. B) His posts are reactionary C) They are designed to be reactionary D) People are pushing other "lurkers" who objectively lurk less than Slandaar with nothing else to back up the case. E) When I talk bout Slandaar, no one has anything substative to say about him. That's indicative of scum waiting on town to decide.

Link

I couldn't push the case hard because I had work commitments (wound up subbing out). That was the gist of it though. However, the vig wound up shooting him and we won.

The difference in thinking levels between this quoted post and what Titus has been doing in this game just don't compare.

Bacde, what are you doing?

[Slandaar]

Man this town is boring af

Emphasising he isn't being serious.

Lol not gonna happen bub

Nervous laugh; same statement can be made without the lol.

Lol i think you are taking page one a little too seriously

Again emphasis on the non-serious aspect of his posting.

If you want to get responses to a bad push at least you try to make it look serious.

Hence my post about watching Bacde. If he's a PR then that explains the 'weakness' to what he was doing otherwise hes scum.

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar
I could buy TSO scum, I haven't seen anything out of him that make me feel like he's particularly town. But by the same token I haven't seen anything that makes me feel particularly like he's scum either. Do you have anything on him not meta related? I've never played with him before so I'm not sure what his regular behavior is like.

Eh.

idk Slandaar's play kinda feels like his scum meta for whatever reason.

I accuse him of never seeing my scum meta so the argument changes to;

Slandaar's maybe-scum, it doesn't feel like town-Slandaar.

It is very sly he doesn't acknowledge my post or reword his argument directly in response to me he just sneaks it in a lot later.

[Slandaar]

TSO post your case on me. I expect it to be good.

[Slandaar]

You are not interested to see it?

[Slandaar]

we have too much power and you're the most likely to be lying

We have
Doc
Vig
Backup Cop

That is not too much power.

Even if for some reason you didn't see the mods post confirming what I said; then Doc/Cop/Backup cop is insane power compared to any 2 of those with a vig.

Therefore I am the least likely to be lying.

I guess now you are going to explain where I went wrong in my analysis...?

[Slandaar]

Doc/Cop/Backup cop is not insane power if scum have a roleblocker.

And if they don't have an RB?

Even with one; Cop/Backup/Vig seems fine and cop/doc/vig seems fine too.

This is why we should fucking massclaim and out the Cop so then either our power's confirmed/scum get lynched d1.

So, going back, why am I the most likely to be lying?

Considering how much you tried to discredit my case on you, your case is very lackluster.

[Slandaar]

Cop/Vig too much power.

Ridiculous. Not to mention there isn't even a cop claim.

Link me your mini normal games please.

[Slandaar]

Pretty sure scum would say that.

Back on topic; why have you not linked me your games TSO?

[Slandaar]

It's in your best interests if you are town to do so.

[Slandaar]

Oh, I must have missed them, I guess I will answer your very important questions for you.

Slandaar, would you please provide your latest reads, if any?

No. You can deduce my general scumreads from my posting.

What are your current thoughts on Titus and why should she be lynched today?

She is scum; see my ISO. Because she is scum.

You said you were a Vig. Basic kind, or with restrictions, what?

I claimed vig. I did not claim X-shot Vig or odd night vig.

[Slandaar]

I can pay attention to the big picture more as I don't need to worry about arguing with people which greatly distracts me.

I will actually post some thoughts on Titus I haven't said; What she does is she makes an argument which is wrong the person calls it out she just keeps going and so the person is like 'well Titus is scum' and somehow everyone else doesn't see it because she posts so much. All her cases are awful and anyone who read them would know it this is a cycle that keeps happening and there is a reason for it.

She is scum.

[Slandaar]

To clarify, you're a normal Town Vigilante?

Yes.

[Slandaar]

Plus the pre-emptive vote thing is just lolscum from Titus.

How she isn't dead is beyond me.

[Slandaar]

Reinoe have you looked at Titus's posting when she is town? Do you realise she looks for patterns as town? which she CLEARLY has not been doing here her thought process is not her town one she just makes really lame arguments.

Are you scum or are you going to be sheeping me?

PS: I can post more now.

[Slandaar]

Let me make it more obvious because this town is just a joke;

Titus linked this earlier in the thread let me literally break it down to show you how Titus works as town:

Stop it. Slandaar is the scum. A) He has a total lack of activity and is unapologetic for such.

Pattern; lack of activity.

B) His posts are reactionary

Pattern in my posting; all one type.

C) They are designed to be reactionary

Same as above.

D) People are pushing other "lurkers" who objectively lurk less than Slandaar with nothing else to back up the case.

Pattern; people pushing lurkers other than me

E) When I talk bout Slandaar, no one has anything substative to say about him. That's indicative of scum waiting on town to decide.

Pattern in how people react to her posts regarding me.

Is she doing this here? NO

She is scum.

Lynch.

[Slandaar]

I suggest no-one post anything except prod-dodges until Reinoe does so I can gauge his reaction.

[Slandaar]

Oh and obviously the reason she is doing the COP or VT is to try to prevent me shooting her tonight. She isn't a cop, if she were she would claim VT if she didn't want to lynch in the PR's because the effect is the same but reduces her death rate from scum kills (but highly ups it from me)

[Slandaar]

First, I have been looking at vote patterns, resistance to votes, speech patterns and plenty of patterns. I do it as both alignments. To scumhunt me effectively, look at the objective of my goals.

OK

Where?

(QUOTES ARE REQUIRED)

[Slandaar]

What?

Just ignore Reinoe's post I will vig him.

Titus you are up.

[Slandaar]

Does anyone (other than Titus) think Reinoe is town?

[Slandaar]

@slandaar, I'm not reinventing the wheel when reinoe already did answer your question about where I pursued patterns. It was poor form to garcia me though.

So, let me just confirm, you agree with Reinoe's post?

[Slandaar]

I will.

If Titus agrees with it.

[Slandaar]

Here's Titus looking for a pattern that TSO mentioned.

Translates to: Here is Titus looking at a pattern TSO pointed out.

This does not show Titus looking FOR patterns it shows her looking at patterns others point out.

A) Two scum attack each other early with weak reasons then town read each other Day 1. (Venmar + Titus) compare to (Bacde + Slandaar).

B) Lynch an easy target, preferably one that makes himself easy. (TheSilverBard) & (JoshB/EvilPacman)

C) After that, create chaos and buddy with leader status.


Textbook mini 1539.

Here is Titus noticing a pattern.

What is this pattern?

Titus notices one person makes a push on another in RVS then move on and compares it to this one time she did it...

lol.

Here is Titus following through on a pattern she mentioned earlier.

Yeah...

That really useful pattern. What was it? she noticed Bacde pushed on me then switched to someone else when out of RVS?

Formatting errors are in the post, but it's another post recognizing a pattern.

I don't even have a clue what you are saying the pattern is here.

Nothing has been scummy about Josh B. Sure he's inarticulate and reached one wrong conclusion.

Here is Titus recognizing a pattern with Josh's posts being inarticulate. I mean, yeah it's an obvious pattern, but I'm just bringing it up because many of the people who were voting for josh were voting him because his posts were shit but not explaining why they were shit.

What pattern has she noticed? being inarticulate? what has this got to do with scumhunting? It doesn't.

I do hope the town actually reads but I doubt it.

[Slandaar]

Bacde where are you?

[Slandaar]

I suggest no-one post anything except prod-dodges until Reinoe does so I can gauge his reaction.

What if I responded with one of these...

.

Answer this question Slandaar.

You would have been much better off.

The difference is though seems you are trying to be clever is simple; I did it on page 5 not 45.

[Slandaar]

1) TSO pointed out the pattern was a possibility.

Therefore this is irrelevant. Does not show Titus is looking for Patterns.

2) The pattern that you and Bacde mirrored a scumgame I just won flawlessly is a pattern.

3) Moving goalposts. The pattern was and still is useful to me. Of course a pattern that calls you scum will be useless to you.

Same thing so combined.

This is not a pattern. Player X did Z then B which I did in my previous game!!!

Patterns need to REPEAT this occurred once in this game. Titus is relating it to a different game. NOT A PATTERN.

4) It's a pattern of blatantly obvtown posting from Josh B.

What? WHAT?? That is a pattern? Josh makes posts you consider obvtown and that's a pattern?

Please lynch this.

5) Recognizing speech patterns is something I do. You ought to know this from Death's Diner.

You are playing on semantics. Obviously I am talking about patterns in relating to scumhunting this isn't.

Again, another refusal to answer questions. Quit trying to be scummy to save Elyse.

What questions?

Why would I do that? I am confirmed not mafia.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, if those aren't patterns, anyone with a brain knows you're strawmanning. Noticing something happening once, seeing it happen again is noticing a pattern.

Anyone with a brain can see you are playing on semantics.

Patterns being used to scumhunt NOT just any random pattern.

You are not confirmed not mafia.

I would never claim vig as mafia in that spot. Can you explain the benefits of being mafia and claiming into the entire town that you are a vig when vig is a common role and you likely just get vigged at night? How is that better than any other claim?

[Slandaar]

You didn't answer my question Titus please do.

[Slandaar]

Where's the question?

1145

Not sure why I needed to redirect you.

[Slandaar]

Mirhawk, did you look through that 'town meta' Titus linked you?

[Slandaar]

I thought 1145 was AtE. Claiming vig allows for you to get ccs, vig is not as common as you'd think and the doctor nay heal the fake vig. I would expect you to know that.

Are people reading this?

Why would a vig cc and not vig kill at night Titus?

[Slandaar]

Like the doc claimed AFTER I claimed.

Can we please lynch Titus.

[Slandaar]

And... Vig's are very common if I had to guess they are the most common PR used in normals so Titus at this point is making stuff up to try to defend her nonsense position. Which she has done all game if you are paying attention.

[Slandaar]

Regarding the doctor thing because it isn't really clear; somehow she is saying I could take a doc claim that hadn't happened into consideration if I were mafia claiming vig...

(In other words she is making stuff up)

[Slandaar]

There's a lot of hemming and hawing going on here when it should be fairly apparent whats actually going to happen.

Titus is going to be lynched.

There's not enough support to run Titus up today, so that's not happening.

There is.

So unless we want to lynch a lurker, (which by the way will have to be yankee, which will give us no information) we more or less have to go for Elyse. Unless of course anyone thinks we should go for a claimed PR instead, which also isn't happening because of a lack of agreement on not only which of them is the scummiest, but whether or not it would better to wait to see if the PR situation resolves itself overnight anyways.

Uh, we can lynch TSO or Reinoe they would be good lynches...

There is plenty of time.

Also, I find TSO's continued insistence that we should pick someone else because we have "lots" of time scummy seeing as how he doesn't seem inclined to say why Elyse is a bad lynch or who we should lynch instead (aside from suggesting a lurker which is a frankly unhelpful statement).

Yeah so TSO lynch is on the cards. Good.

[Slandaar]

Mirhawk, that is generally what I have been seeing as well. We're getting a lot of lynch anyone but Elyse but no solid reasons why she's town.

She is town because she has a town PM.

What are you expecting people to say?

[Slandaar]

It's just as real of a possibility that a doctor healed fake vig with cc.

I would claim vig as mafia because a doctor may protect me from a real vig so the risk is fine? this is all very convoluted. I would think the risk of just being shot dead n1 from a vig who doesn't cc is worth it because? when I go into D2 without a kill to point at I would be lynched so this is THE WORST CLAIM FOR MAFIA TO MAKE. Why would I claim vig when I still get lynched from the cc? Why would I not claim cop if I were claiming for cc's? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF VIG CLAIM OVER ANY OTHER CLAIM???

Lynch Titus...

We aren't lynching me. We are lynching scum. You'll have to shoot me and get lynched if you want me dead tonight.

You say this like you know I have a shot but I wouldn't as mafia thus you know the above argument is wrong. Amusing.

[Slandaar]

Hrm.

^ Good Posting.

[Slandaar]

How is that +EV if all the VT claims are town?

[Slandaar]

Reinoe is such a scumbag

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Reinoe/TSO/Titus

Please town... please.

[Slandaar]

That is such a Reinoe-scum -> Sharpest-town interaction it is insane.

[Slandaar]

I doubt there is a dayvig.

If there is then it clearly isn't me because I would have claimed dayvig... it is just mindblowing people think otherwise.

It sounds obvious but people seem to think if I were a mafia-dayvig I would claim vig and then use my day vig ability not make a kill in the night and think this is a good play... obviously I would claim dayvig use my ability and go 'see!'

Probably mafia have a way to mess with the VC, you can have one non-normal role in normals and Day vig would be too many kills for scum in a cycle and there won't be a town dayvig...

If you don't believe me for some insane reason I can prove it tonight by vigging... so these votes on me are beyond bad. Not surprising who they are coming from though.

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Anyways

VOTE: Titus

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Day modifier is not allowed in normal games.

It also says, as I did, new or variant roles can be included. What is wrong with a VC reset role? and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication. It would come under 'Voting'.

Also for someone who was arguing this the wiki even says; Backup (with or without primary role present). You do like to push your agenda with a lot of nonsense.

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(only one new or variant role)

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VOTE: Elyse

Let's lynch scum. Slandaar presumably will try to shoot me at night. Josh please heal me if Elyse flips scum.

Lets talk hypothetically.

If Elyse were to be lynched and flip scum, I wouldn't vig Titus obviously, however, when she doesn't... Josh; I do expect you not to protect my likely targets which includes Titus.

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By my count elyse was hammered but the vc prior was misleading...

JOSH: assuming elyse is town please do not protect titus/reinoe/tso thanks.

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Oh yeah Boon also don't protect him. Anyone else is fine.

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You know you should probably scumhunt instead of putting all thought into if I am vig or sk it gives your alignment up.

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VOTE: Boon

The conclusion I came to last night was: Titus had to die.

Who did you protect Josh?

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Slandaar, it's already been revealed that Elyse is town. She got lynched. We're just waiting now.

This day shouldn't last longer than a couple pages.

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Of course you had to kill someone who softclaimed cop.

VOTE: slandaar

Uh, she wasn't a cop and that was blindingly obvious as I posted yesterday;

Oh and obviously the reason she is doing the COP or VT is to try to prevent me shooting her tonight. She isn't a cop, if she were she would claim VT if she didn't want to lynch in the PR's because the effect is the same but reduces her death rate from scum kills (but highly ups it from me)

vote saalndar...

self protective vig shot...
don't like it at all... time to go.

I shot my top scumread... who did you expect me to shoot? (give a list) My list was pretty clear.

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Well considering like 9/12 players called me out at some point I don't see what you were expecting.

Where is your list?

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I shot my top scumread... who did you expect me to shoot? (give a list) My list was pretty clear.

Nobody since the town was split on her, and she was a high target for cop investigation, much like yourself...

You expected me to shoot nobody? um, no... then what happens is I get lynched for not verifying my claim. I made the list clear no cop should have targeted her.

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FYI- where I come from VT claims often cleaned up

Titus had effectively claimed VT.

You know damn well Titus was the main one calling BS to your claim. Stop pretending otherwise.

The point is it doesn't matter who I shot if they flip town you can still argue I was shooting them for suspecting me.

Titus actually wasn't the main one pushing me post claim either.

boon-town

You will need to explain this.

JD-doc, still alive
Wake-back up cop
Slaandar-claimed vig, probably scum

My claim is verified and the setup needs my role to be remotely balanced.

probably scum if all is as above

mmmm

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Fact is Titus was the second strongest wagon at the end of day yesterday. Only reason I didn't shoot boon is I was sure she was scum and going to be much harder to lynch...

Lynch Boon today, saying Elyse had been revealed to be town before the flip is pretty much a done deal.

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No, lynch you and fucking mass claim. You want to lynch a cop view...

lol.

You are clearly misrepping me. I wanted to lynch someone I thought is scum not a 'cop view'

I mean you must have investigated him because you suspected him...

VOTE: TSO

Lynch TSO then today. I expect Boon is still scum GF; that role is very likely in the game but can leave it for a while.

Scum shooting Bacde indicates Josh probably isn't town but eh leave that for now, lynch TSO.

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Titus was not undeniably town.

I am not being leashed when yesterday the majority of the town wanted to lynch Elyse who was actually undeniably town. I would have if I had been wrong but even then if you were expecting me to shoot from some imaginary 'leash list' you should have probably come up with one.

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Town can't win if I am lynched today.

I am vig who thought Titus was scum, how is this so hard to comprehend? Elyse who also was town thought she was scum... Wake who is town was voting her...

Titus was not obvtown or any variation of that.

What exactly is so hard to understand?

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Uh Titus was hard defending the entire scumteam shooting her was the best case scenario for hitting town.

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Town needed to keep me and hope I carry them really, which I am sure I could have, Reinoe would have been shot #2...

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Setup spec wise, I called the dayvig, I also said its highly likely there is a gf, obviously you lynch Josh of the PR's....

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Welcome to mini normals with SK's. Besides you technically had 3 mislynches as TSO was one...

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It's 1/4 and scum want me dead too so I am much easier to lynch...

It swings towards town when I shoot scum Reinoe instead of Titus or if the dayvig shoots scum... or both.

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The setup is balanced by the SK needing to kill scum and town, that's how it works. Town rely on SK to shoot scum, scum rely on SK to shoot town and town to lynch SK. Basically anyways...

You just don't like SK setups not just this particular one.

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By reading between the lines. This isn't some out of the ordinary way SK games go.

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I see.

You should probably complain less about having 2 mislynches and having to rely on the SK then.

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Slandaar, you seem in a stupidly obtuse mood and you are the -only- one who has the opinion the game was balanced. That's because you were the SK and couldn't see it. End.

I said it is very likely there is a GF because it fits with the cop claims and then from there the doc is obviously a fake claim assuming Dayvig is multi-shot town which it was.

I mean, if I can figure out the setup in game then the setup is balanced. Cop/Backup/2shot vig vs 2 goons and GF seems fine, throw an SK in make the vig a day vig seems fine.

Most of your complaints are about SK setups in general, 2 mislynches? yeah that happens. Town can lose with one mislynch and 3 correct lynches out of 4... relying on SK to shoot scum; you always do otherwise it means they are only shooting town which obviously swings things in scums favour...

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I thought the dayvig was scum initially on D1. Things changed with the cop inno on Boon who was obviously the dayvig. You are both the worst.

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Titus not being scum still is surprising, it doesn't make sense to assume Josh is town with the pattern stuff in the air and scumhunt based on that, which is actually what derailed town from doing well. I just got it into my head Titus was scum who knew Josh was town at that point and it took till after Titus died for me to rethink that.

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I see neither of you has any more witty comments here I will even direct you to this;

Amusingly Titus is voting Josh

who she had been assuming is town the entire game for no reason.

Hrmmmm.

The no reason part solves this mystery.

Yeah, I mean accusing me of lying postgame when there is no reason for me to is retarded on both your parts.

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I guess the next thing is you will be explaining how you were so sure Josh was scum if the setup wouldn't be balanced unless town has more power?

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What actually was the point TSO? I knew what you were trying to do.

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That's because you were the SK and couldn't see it. End.

As the SK I have the most unbiased view in the game. The scum feel they crushed so feel it was unbalanced, Town feel crushed so feel it was unbalanced I see it for what it was.

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Not really sure how my view is distorted. You had 2 dayvigs + 3 lynches and a cop result and none of them hit mafia, not sure how much more you want. I had a shot too which missed so you can add that to the pile or not.

I'd argue our power roles were borderline negative-utility. I'm pissed at Boonskiies, but his slot did actually hit a non-town player, but his ability was blanket, so we got fucked anyway. If the Cop hit the Godfather, then there was conftown there as well and we had no way of knowing that scum potentially had a GF. Same for the Deputy, who was essentially a Named Townie because we had no way to protect him and it's nearly impossible to activate the Deputy until late-game anyway.

To be honest I am not going to take you seriously when there is a claimed cop AND backup and you cannot figure out there is likely a scum GF.

Also Josh was obviously scum but then there isn't enough town power to balance the game, right? You are clearly just making stuff up.

End.

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Call it bitter if you want my opinion always has been town played terribly but the setup looks balanced. You have tried to argue differently by trying to discredit me not using actual logic or reasoning behind what you say just making up opinions as you go along so if you are feeling the hostility that would be why. I have now discredited you as it was obvious from the first post you were just complaining about the setup as you are mad you lost and want to blame something/someone.

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Josh was obscum but you nk'ed Titus...

Also weren't you caught before josh?

Nk'ing Titus directly led to your lynch.

I think I said already on D1 I assumed he was town due to how Titus interacted with him, so?

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How is it not balanced? town played absolutely terrible yet they still had 2 conftown in lylo (one got lynched somehow) and should have had one additional cop result had sharp not claimed which also was terrible considering I was not part of the mafia all he did was lose the town a cop result when Boon had the cc on me anyways and he was never being nked... You even wasted a vig shot on me for some reason which again was terrible because I can be cc'ed by simply shooting someone else (especially when they flip mafia)

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The effect of shooting me or someone else is the same except if I am bp (which should be likely from the dayvig POV) you don't lose the shot by shooting someone else therefore shooting me is strictly worse ie bad.

So, yes, definitely keep trying though TSO I am sure eventually you will be right about something.

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Dayvig knows I am not town. SK, Multiscum and multiscum is very unlikely probably like 90/10 towards SK.

SK's are very often BP ergo there is a good chance I am BP.

No randomness involved. Bit like how we can nearly assume there is a GF because town has a full cop and a backup cop.

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It's not about knowing it exists it's about understanding the chance of it existing.