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Once upon a time, I was inclined to agree. But now, I tend to be of the mind that it is pronounced the same way as "delivered," except with a "B."In post 12, BigYoshiFan wrote:Deli-bird. Boom.-
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Could you explain that? I'm having trouble grasping your reasoning. You don't approve of putting someone at L-2, but you are fine voting a townread? I'm not saying I'm an expert Mafia player, but in every other game I've played, that's not how things have been done.In post 36, BigYoshiFan wrote:Why tf not? He's a slight townread now.-
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Oh, okay. That makes much more sense. The wording on that just really confused me.In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:Could you explain that? I'm having trouble grasping your reasoning. You don't approve of putting someone at L-2, but you are fine voting a townread? I'm not saying I'm an expert Mafia player, but in every other game I've played, that's not how things have been done.-
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Yeah, I'm not sure how that happened. I'm typically quite good with quotes and I honestly don't even remember touching it after I hit the quote button.In post 76, Gamma Emerald wrote:You broke the quote-
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I honestly haven't had a chance to make a real post yet. I just got home from class a couple hours ago and told people that I was no longer confused about the thing I was initially confused about. Other than that, I've been rereading to get a grip on the game.In post 93, Transcend wrote:Posting a lot yet at the same time, not actually doing a damn thing
Looking over the BigYoshiFan/MortFeld/Gamma Emerald interaction, I feel like Yoshi has the greatest likelihood of being scum. I feel like even at L-1, a quick-hammer probably wouldn't be super likely from town. Could be he wanted to disavow an unlikely early lynch in order to look town. Or possibly, Gamma and he are scum partners and he was concerned that a quick-lynch would b bad for his team. It's weak, but it's something to consider.
I don't see anything wrong with MortFeld pushing Yoshi on his supposed concerns. It seemed like a valid line of questioning to me.
VOTE: BigYoshiFan-
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I assume you have reasons. Care to share them with the rest of us?In post 99, Transcend wrote:yeah you're scum-
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So your claim is that I whipped that post up in 4 minutes because you didn't think I was posting enough? Sorry, but you're mistaken. I'm just a tryhard. It's kinda my thing.In post 103, Transcend wrote:because i don't like how you dumped three people into a cluster and picked out scum and town within them and i don't like the conclusions you reached on any of those 3 slots.
i don't like how after i call you out for junkposting, you immediately engage tryhard mode.
Also, I lumped those three together because it was one of the few legitimate-seeming interactions we've had between players in this game so far.-
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I have every right to read someone in that interaction as scummy. Yoshi seemed scummy, because he seemed overly concerned about the wagon that probably wasn't actually going anywhere. I disagree that it's a shit vote and it's certainly backed by more evidence than my RVS vote, so it's a better place to have it. That's why it's there. Care to explain what's wrong with my logic?
Also, I've been "junkposting" because, as I said, I've been at school all day. And I think we may have a different opinion about what "obvtowning" means.-
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Why does this make Yoshi town in any way?
Your points about him are valid, MortFeld.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I'm not letting Yoshi off the hook there, because I still feel like his response to the speedwagon was more likely to come from scum than town. I just think a Gamma scum flip strengthens my case against Yoshi.-
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Paranoia is inherently town? If he was scum, he'd be worried about you wanting to incriminate him too, wouldn't he? And maybe it's just my scumread on him, but I saw it more as him being "convinced" so that he would have a legitimate reason to call you scum at any point in the future.In post 129, MortFeld wrote:Feels like real paranoia.
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You don't have to be scum to incriminate him though. I mean, maybe incriminate isn't the right word, but my point stands that being implicated as potential scum in any way isn't ideal for either town or scum.In post 132, MortFeld wrote:
Yeah. He wouldn't be worried about me being scum, but that's not present in 45.In post 130, Hikari Link wrote: Paranoia is inherently town? If he was scum, he'd be worried about you wanting to incriminate him too, wouldn't he?
Yes, please explain that, MMM. I interpreted your post much differently, but I'm curious to see which interpretation is correct.In post 133, MortFeld wrote:
The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?In post 131, MMM wrote:I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.-
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Okay, that makes sense. Being honest, I read that as you still going with your Yoshi & Gamma team, but it makes more sense that you were saying Titus was the other one. I forgot what Chainsawing was, so I just looked it up. I could see that argument for scum Titus.In post 135, MMM wrote:
The two scum that I saw would be Yoshi and Titus. I don't think it was wrong for Mort to attack Yoshi when and how he did given that at that phase in the game you do have to do something to cause game progression, Titus seemed really quick to chainsaw and BYF picked up on Titus' defense quickly.In post 133, MortFeld wrote:
The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?In post 131, MMM wrote:I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.
Wait, can we back up for a second. I'm not sure what towntell you are talking about. Really sorry, but could you please explain once more why you think Yoshi is town?In post 136, MortFeld wrote:I think Hikari is town, Transcend
Hikari you misunderstood the first part of my 132. There's a specific towntell that I was saying was not present.
Ah ty for explain MMM.
That's because I don't feel like Titus was part of the interaction proper. The interaction was spawned by the comment Titus made, but she never actually participated in it, as near as I can tell.
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And yet it is, so here we are. You're making a lot of inaccurate assumptions here about my level of hubris. That bandwagon during RVS was getting big, but short of a grossly incompetent townie, an accidental hammer was very unlikely. Scum hammering and pretending to be inept town seems like it would have been a far more likely scenario to me. And neither side hammering seems like an even more likely scenario. If we accept that the lynch was extremely unlikely to occur and that scum would be most likely to hammer, then an early lynch would arguably have been more favorable for the town.In post 140, ChannelDelibird wrote:VOTE: Hikari Link
The level of confidence required to make this post honestly cannot yet have been obtained by town.In post 128, Hikari Link wrote:I'm not letting Yoshi off the hook there, because I still feel like his response to the speedwagon was more likely to come from scum than town. I just think a Gamma scum flip strengthens my case against Yoshi.
On the other hand, scum can get towncred for pretending to be scared of a lynch that early on. And, if Gamma truly is Yoshi's partner, Yoshi'd have every reason to be nervous, on the off-chance that an incompetent townie accidentally (or purposely, honestly) hammered there.
tl;dr: Irrespective of Gamma's alignment, Yoshi as town had more to gain from Gamma's death than he had to lose, while Yoshi as scum had more to gain from ending the wagon there.
There are, however, two holes in my thinking that I am aware of.
1. It's possible that Yoshi wouldn't have thought any of the things that I just thought, regardless of his alignment.
2. I've basically set up a scenario that regardless of how Gamma flips if we lynch him, Yoshi looks scummier to me.
I realize the potential role confirmation bias may play in how I interpret Yoshi's actions from here on, but I don't plan to push forward with only this reasoning. I assume that as the game progresses, my scum read may be strengthened or it may be weakened. But at our current stage in the game, these are the best leads I've got (and I don't think they are bad), so I'm pursuing them until I have reason to believe I shouldn't.
Please do. It's something more people should think on.In post 140, ChannelDelibird wrote:Hey, people. I've not played with most of you before. FYI, my username is typically abbreviated to CDB.
and the 'delivered' point is interesting, I will ruminate on it.
Actually, as an avid Pokémon fan myself, It's widely known within the community that Pokémon themselves has been horribly inconsistent. Even within canon, many different Pokémon has had many different pronunciations of the same Pokémon. Most of the time, you'd go with any one so long others recognise it. The more common pronunciations of Delibird include "Deh-Lee-Bird", "Dee-Lih-Bird", "Dail-Li-Bird" and "Del-Uh-Bird"
Lastly, sorry this post was so dense. I've always had a tough time being brief, but I've been told in the past that long posts are anti-town because some people won't bother reading them and/or they feel like it's just a method of trying to appear active. I'll try to keep things as short as possible in the future, but I personally prefer to be thorough so that I am not misunderstood. Might just tl;dr at the end of all of my large posts from now on.Last edited by XnadrojX on Wed May 03, 2017 2:50 am, edited 2 times in total.-
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tl;dr at the end covering the major points I made. This is for people who don't read long posts. Please read at least that much, though I'd encourage everyone to read the whole thing. Spoiler tags included to make this long post easier to read.
Spoiler: Off Topic Regarding the Pronunciation of Delibird
Spoiler: BigYoshiFan
Spoiler: Transcend
Spoiler: MortFeld
Spoiler: MarioManiac4
Spoiler: Titus
Spoiler: TwoFace
Spoiler: Ircher
tl;dr:
1. It seems to me that Yoshi is being defensive against TwoFace while ignoring my accusations and is also not really scumhunting.
2. Transcend has grossly exaggerated the infractions that I've committed that make me scum in his eyes and I'd like to know his reasoning for his reads, particularly on Mario.
3. My emphasis on clear communication is a result of my field of study.
4. My tryhard nature is extremely apparent in any game I've been in on this site. It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with my playstyle.
5. I don't fully understand Mort's misgivings about my Yoshi vote, because I feel I've sufficiently explained it. If it needs more elaboration, please ask. If it's just a gut thing, please say so.
6. I'd like Mario to explain his reads.
7. TwoFace already covered this in #210, but Mort's line of questioning was valid.
8. Townies have legitimate reason to fear being set up for a mislynch, but they should not let that fear control them.
9. I'm paranoid about people buddying me and that all of my reads are wrong. These things may cause me to react irrationally at points. Please let me know when that seems to be the case.
I'm likely going to be gone for the rest of the day. I've got class soon and I'm in other games, so I'll be focusing on all of that today, for the most part.-
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I'll field this quickly as I walk to class.In post 215, MortFeld wrote:(not ignoring anyone, I try not to actually play the game when I'm at work even if I'm reading)
Hikari, do you like playing as town or scum more?
I love playing town and hate playing scum. I really don't enjoy deceiving people, but I've got no choice in that role. The fun for me is in trying to solve the mystery. That said, I think I play pretty good scum, based on my experience with it in Mafia and other deception games.-
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Still doing other things and I won't be back in full force until at least tomorrow, but I've skimmed the thread and just wanted to say a couple things really fast.
TwoFace/Transcend:Please look at my wall post again. I clearly say at the beginning that I have put a tl;dr version at the end for people who are adverse to wall posts. That said, could you guys please tell me why you refuse to read wall posts? I've always thought it's a pretty anti-town attitude. Not scummy, mind you, I just think it's inherently detrimental to the town not to read everything that everyone says.
Also, you don't really need to read the parts about you, TwoFace. It was me explaining why I feel town members have every right to fear being suspected. Transcend, I'd really appreciate if you read my response to you. I feel I rather adequately dismantled your case against me.
Regarding the Transcend wagon:I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.-
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So you won't even look at the tl;dr part that covers my 9 main points? It's 14 sentences.
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To be clear, I wasn't presuming anyone was voting him for his interactions with me, I'm saying that his interactions with me are kind of a towntell. At least, to me. And it's why I would suggest not lynching him.In post 305, MMM wrote:
That is... actually not why I'm lynching him.In post 302, Hikari Link wrote:Regarding the Transcend wagon:I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.
P-Edit: Gamma beat me to the punch.-
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It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?In post 310, MMM wrote:Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.-
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Anyone who ever gives me locktown status, short of through the effect of power roles, is almost assuredly scum or a fool of the highest calibre. Out of curiosity though, what turned you around?
Fair enough. I will try to remember to ask you about this on a fairly regular basis though.In post 313, MMM wrote:
I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.In post 311, Hikari Link wrote:
It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?In post 310, MMM wrote:Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.-
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Off topic: Oh fuck! I just figured out that quote problem from before. I never fucking knew that highlighting text and hitting the quote button would result in only that text being in a quote! I just highlight things because it helps me read. I thought it was a glitch all this time. I'm a fucking fool!-
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That issue, just to be clear. Where I broke a quote.In post 74, Hikari Link wrote:
Oh, okay. That makes much more sense. The wording on that just really confused me.In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:Could you explain that? I'm having trouble grasping your reasoning. You don't approve of putting someone at L-2, but you are fine voting a townread? I'm not saying I'm an expert Mafia player, but in every other game I've played, that's not how things have been done.
If you are reading a post and you highlight part of the post with the cursor, when you hit the quote button, it will only quote that part of the post, rather than the whole post.-
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@TwoFace: The ADD is fair enough. And I can understand the phone issue. I hope that the spoiler tags help with that a little though.
I don't think the game theory discussion is a function of wallposts though. It's a function of the fact that my response to you was specifically about game theory. Which is why I also said that you didn't have to read my response to you, since the tl;dr bottom-lined it for you.
I agree with you on some points regarding theory and disagree on others. But even if your playstyle is objectively the best (which it may not be), not everyone is going to agree that that's the case. Meaning you need to be prepared to accept alternate playstles if you don't want to mislynch. Whether or not townshouldbe worried about being mislynched doesn't help us determine if somebody is scum. That's because there are plenty of town whodoworry about being mislynched.-
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Even if you disagree, I'd still argue there is some psychological pressure there.I imagine certain power roles wouldn't want to have to claim Day 1 because they got themselves in trouble for looking scummy.In post 327, TwoFace wrote:disagree but whatever-
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MortFeld or MMM? I'm assuming MortFeld, but if so, why is MMM the best target right now?In post 339, MarioManiac4 wrote:It seems like he's trying to look like a scumhunter, but I don't really see any of the conviction behind the scumhunting.
Weak but w/e-
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I really don't have time for this game today, but I want to come back when I can and try to analyze everything that's been going down.
This isn't a response on the state of this game, I just feel I need to leave this comment for TwoFace.I know it's a bit on the long side, but I implore you to read it and at least consider it.
I'm not trying to insult you, but I've really got to disagree. You're not being super toxic, but a few of your attitudes could be perceived as toxic and could absolutely drive somebody away.In post 444, TwoFace wrote:
Right and I'm not doing that this game which makes his frustration towards me come off as fake.In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've seen how toxic you can get. I don't blame him at all.
Like if I was doing all the things that people say they hated about me, I'd get it but I'm literally not.
1. Your implication that different playstyles are scummy.
2. Your apparent unwillingness to acknowledge the legitimacy of other people'sfeelingsabout the game.
3. Your insistence that you haven't even done anything that would drive people away.
You may feel that you are new and improved (and you probably are), but there is always room for improvement. Some of your attitudes can come across as arrogant and toxic.
I've been in similar positions. Back around 2007-2010, I was a really shitty person. I was a little better by the time I joined this site, 2011, but still an arrogant prick. After I left, I worked to become a better person, and I thought I had. But after learning more about relationships in around 2015, I realized that I was still an asshole, so I kept working at it. Flash forward to now and I'm still a work in progress. How I am now is like night and day from how I was 10 years ago, but I still feel like I have a long way to go. I believe that not being an asshole is a lifetime pursuit; the second you think you aren't an asshole is the second you fail.
Again, this is not an attack on you as a person, TwoFace. It's just something I think you may want to consider. Now I really do need to do other things today.-
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UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
My suspicion isn't gone, but I want to reevaluate the game state when I can. Need to see if there was blatant opportunism on the Transcend wagon, if Titus is worthy of consideration, and a few other things.
@BigYoshiFan: If you townread Transcend now, get your vote off of him. Same goes for anybody else still parked on him.-
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Seriously last post until I've got everything else important for the day done.
No, I'm saying that your policies are poor because they don't allow for context whatsoever. You seem to act as though everything happens in a vacuum, when it does not. Some of the things Transcend did could certainly be considered scummy, but you don't seem to consider the larger perspective ofIn post 464, TwoFace wrote:
You are basically saying anyone who pushes on a scum read is toxic. That's terrible logicIn post 459, Hikari Link wrote:I'm not trying to insult you, but I've really got to disagree. You're not being super toxic, but a few of your attitudes could be perceived as toxic and could absolutely drive somebody away.whya townie might be motivated to do them.
I'm referring to your comments about townies being worried about looking scummy.In post 465, TwoFace wrote:
I have no clue what you are even referring to with this one.In post 459, Hikari Link wrote:Your apparent unwillingness to acknowledge the legitimacy of other people's feelings about the game.
Maybe this will help:
>People don't like losing.
>Being mislynchedfeelslike losing to some townies.
>Some townies don't want to be mislynched because itfeelslike they are losing.
>Some townies will avoid being incriminated so that they are not mislynched, because being mislynched is tantamount to loss, in their mind.
Now consider this:
>This is a thought process that some people have.
>You are saying people should not think this way.
> Some people don't like being told how to think.
> You appear to be telling them how to think.
> Those people will not like you because they feel you are telling them how they have to think.
The attitude of being preoccupied with staying alive, rather than trying to help the town, is definitionally anti-town. It's literally putting oneself above the town. However, it's not inherently scummy in that it is not inherently scum-motivated, since town can (and do) often have this motivation. You seem like you are conflating the two things when they should probably not be conflated.-
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Goddammit! Last post really was meant to be the last one, but this stood out too much, so I feel like I must respond.In post 470, MortFeld wrote:People admonishing TF is gunking up the thread, this is a formal request that you either keep it game related or take it outside the thread.
1. If TwoFace were to understand the points that I'm making, then he might not scumread Transcend, which in turn would mean that he might not scumread his replacement.
2. His current attitudes have a strong chance of leading to mislynches, particularly with his power role. This discussion is extremely important.
3. Could we even take it outside of the game? I feel like that would technically be considered discussing an ongoing game.
All that said, I'm not attempting to change his mind. I'd like him to understand the points I'm making so that he'll change his mind of his own volition, but I ultimately can't and won't tell him how to think. To that end, I will continue to clarify any of the points I've made and respond to his responses on the topic when I can. I'm unsubbing from this thread now so I don't get anymore notifications about it until I am free.-
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In normal circumstances, I'd agree. But it's suspect to me that you made a show about replacing out and the mod ignored your request, but then replaced somebody else.In post 516, Transcend wrote:lol fuk u
me replacing out and back in should have no bearing on my alignment.
Then you said you wanted out with your little poem and the Mod admonished you, but still didn't replace you. Then you decided not to get replaced.
Suuuuuuuper convenient that you made that decision before XnadrojX took you seriously and replaced you. Good thing he didn't replace you before NotTheRealPaul.-
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Even if I still believed he was town (which I'm really not convinced of anymore), the read was based primarily on gut and past experiences with similar playstyles. I've regularly been on the receiving end of tunneling by an erratic and irrational townie.In post 478, TwoFace wrote:If transcend isn't scum, make a convincing case. Outline a bunch of posts or reasons so I can read and evaluate them to see if I agree.
I can't speak for anybody else, but I was not attempting to put blame on you or attack you. I was expressing my opinion on how your behaviors and attitudes could be perceived and why they might be detrimental to victory. I won't bother discussing the game theory or communication anymore though.In post 483, TwoFace wrote:Any comments directed toward me that somehow put blame on me for transcend replacing out or that somehow my play is toxic should not be posted cause 1. It ain't true and 2. It serves no purpose to solving the game and finding scum.-
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Catching up from the last point that I was fully invested in the game. Just gonna comment on stuff as it comes up.
Looking back at it, that's a fair response. What's more, looking at my earlier argument, I against you, I can honestly say I find it pretty weak. I feel like that was my brain performin apophenia due to the general lack of info we had that early in the game.In post 268, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, Hikari, I'm not ignoring your suspicion. I didn't think you wanted a direct response. If you want me to address something, I'm here.-
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I'm not sure if you've covered this further along, but I don't want to forget it. Is it "later" enough now?In post 313, MMM wrote:
I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.In post 311, Hikari Link wrote:
It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?In post 310, MMM wrote:Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.-
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I don't know if you answer this later, but why?In post 530, Titus wrote:If we're not lynching Transcend, can we lynch Mort and BYF?-
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I keep hearing people talk about this post. Can somebody please explain to me why it's so bad? From what I can gather, people are mostly saying it's pre-flip associations, but that honestly doesn't seem that bad to me. I don't know about other people, but I like calling the scum team as soon as I think I see one. I'm rarely (if ever) right, but as long as you don't tunnel that scum team to the exclusion of looking elsewhere, what's the harm?In post 116, MMM wrote:Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imo-
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I guess I can now that the game ended. This is the post where I had the epiphany, but there were several posts leading up to it. To make a long story short, I realized that I need to relax a little and be less controlling. I also need to be more willing to rely on other people.In post 721, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Can you share?In post 704, Hikari Link wrote:I just had a sudden revelation about myself and the way I handle games and my life, so my playstyle is probably about to change drastically. I don't even know how it'll change yet, because I'm still processing it, but I'll catch up and do what I can as soon as I can.-
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What were you referring to here?In post 633, TwoFace wrote:damn, so they theory actually could be a reality...-
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Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?In post 699, MMM wrote:With the bit of time I have right now:
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get onIn post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug-
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VOTE: Titus
I'm fine with this wagon for now. Can still get behind Transcend. I know people don't like accusing him of replacing for the wagon on him, but I'm not accusing him of that. I'm saying that I think he was original faking replacing out as a gambit, then actually replaced.
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I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made himIn post 734, MMM wrote:In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 699, MMM wrote:
With the bit of time I have right now:
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like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug
Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)soscummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.-
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Why aren't you voting either one today? Why are both so town that they are unlynchable?In post 738, MarioManiac4 wrote:I understand getting frustrated with Transcend but that slot was town af. I'm not voting it or Titus today.
MMM has been getting progressively townier and I'm not comfortable voting there anymore.
I actually can't see it. Someone needs to make a good case. :p
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Sorry, you theorized who could be scum together?In post 744, TwoFace wrote:
The theory they could be scum togetherIn post 727, Hikari Link wrote:
What were you referring to here?In post 633, TwoFace wrote:damn, so they theory actually could be a reality...-
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The argument seems pretty hypocritical to me. Looking at her ISO, most of her posts look like the same sort of "potshots."In post 755, MortFeld wrote:Titus did explain her read on me as "his ISO looks like potshots" I believe.
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In post 762, MMM wrote:
That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)In post 761, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?
How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.In post 774, MMM wrote:
It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.In post 766, BigYoshiFan wrote:And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.-
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Even if that was his stance, it's a pretty valid stance. Saying that it's NAI and that makes her town would not be an acceptable stance.In post 786, MarioManiac4 wrote:it's more like
exhibit a) I say that it's not NAI, you think that I'm saying Titus is town = you say it's bad
exhibit b) I explain that I don't think it's AI = you say it's alright
Saying that it's just NAI is. Even saying it's NAIandyou think she's town for unrelated reasons.-
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Wouldn't that be indicative of his personalty then, not his playstyle or his alignment motivations?In post 798, MMM wrote:
When Transcend was still in and I hadn't voted him yet it seemed to me like it could really just be a playstyle thing, but by the time he subbed out he changed literally nothing and just kept spewing what at least seemed to be nonsense the entire time. And I feel like it's deliberate, and hence scum motivated.In post 788, Hikari Link wrote:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made himIn post 734, MMM wrote:In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 699, MMM wrote:
With the bit of time I have right now:
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like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug
Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)soscummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.
I feel like we have different definitions of "caught." And you're applying your definition as though everybody feels it is the same definition. For all you know, one or both of them could feel that L-2 is serious enough to be considered caught.In post 798, MMM wrote:
Wagons can easily shift over time even if for a few days there are only a couple of people that are being focused on/wagoned. Unless 75% of the town says a person is scum (or there is evidence from a cop/similar), wagons can change, and therefore scum is not caught at all.Hikari Link wrote:In post 762, MMM wrote:
That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)In post 761, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?
How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.In post 774, MMM wrote:
It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.In post 766, BigYoshiFan wrote:And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.
Just because there is a large wagon on you, heck even if it's at L-1, does not mean that if you replace out the reasoning HAS to be that you're caught scum.
That said, I'm not saying that caught scum necessarily have to replace out because they are caught. They can be caught and they can be scum and they can replace out, but that doesn't me that they replaced out because they were caught scum.-
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Am I the only one bothered that I'm at the top of that list? Even above TwoFace.In post 802, MMM wrote:obvtown
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Spoiler: Regarding Transcend
Spoiler: Regarding Replacing Out-
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And in case my tone wasn't clear, MMM, I'm looking for an explanation.In post 811, TwoFace wrote:
I was about to ask why you were top.In post 804, Hikari Link wrote:Am I the only one bothered that I'm at the top of that list? Even above TwoFace.-
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@TwoFace:
On top of the push being bad and her never answering for it (or other things), she was pretty much doing exactly what she accused TwoFace of doing: taking "potshots."In post 748, MortFeld wrote:MN 1848. I think one or two scum were on the wagon but a lot of town were too obviously.
I'm SRing Titus because her push on me is very bad and she has continually avoided my prods to expand on it. Similar situation for her Yoshi push.-
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