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VOTE: Nero Cain
also kraska was obvtown and a complete waste of a PR but i cant really complain because it means i'll have to save my breath and not have to make a bunch of meta wallposts that'll be ignored again like last timei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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this is horseshit btwIn post 974, Nero Cain wrote:I'm always wishwashy.
nero's scum and i don't think scum are bussing
only slot i'm townreading so far besides kraska and mcm is vedith but i haven't read the game yet
just felt the way the wagons happened it was TvT - i've never seen a scum wagon stall like that EoD against a town wagon
also CCC going for an information lynch is probably not a good idea - do you have a compelling reason to think that Vedith/Not_Mafia is scum over, say, Nero?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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not a good question to ask when i have no reads since when i watch games i only pay attention to slots im familiar withIn post 1698, Nero Cain wrote:Who you voting when I flip town?
only have read kraska and you and kind of grendel so
i replaced into this game specifically to lynch you and also because kraska asked me toi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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also grendel i really hope you're not town here :////////////In post 1528, Grendel wrote:
That souns like the opposite of my problem, where I scum read town power forcing them to cliam.In post 1526, DeathRowKitty wrote:tbh I'm having trouble forming reads this game because I've gotten into a bad habit of accidentally scumreading most power roles as town but I think I understand how it happens and I'm being overly careful to not let myself fall into that this game and it's making me weird and cagey because avoiding it requires me to be more careful and I haven't really felt able to do so since I fell behind once in this game and that's been locking me into only being able to talk about the subset of players I feel like I've put enough effort into separating properly in that way
and now i'm just playing like shit in a different way than usual so that's useful
If you weren't being careful where would you reads be?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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uh hmmmIn post 1459, kraska77 wrote: Not_Mafia
DeathRowKitty
Cheetory6
Hiraki
CCC
Grendel
MuttonChopMagic
SlingshotWaffles
Backhand
Nero Cain
NotTheRealPaul
kraska77
kraska talk to me about cheet and paul here - cheet's vote on me is kind of iffy imo and if paul is striked for the reason i think he's striked it's not good enough for me
like cheet is kind of town from what i've seen but i dont think he's strikeworthy
waffles i think should be striked here too unfortunatelyi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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ok
i'll be honest
i really cannot care to read any other slot
we're powerlynching nero today and grendel tomorrow and both slots should just be treated like confscum
the third will probably be found via pr shenanigansi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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{kraska, mcm}
{waffles}
{paul, vedith}
{cheetory, ccc}
{hiraki, backhand} - dont care to read/null
{grendel, nero}
hiraki kind of doesnt read like a grendel partner but could be a nero partner which is kind of weird
and backhand isnt a grendel partner
ok so my townreads are shit lmfao
let's just lynch scum first thoughi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i dont even knowIn post 1713, kraska77 wrote:
Okay but.......In post 1710, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:{kraska, mcm}
{waffles}
{paul, vedith}
{cheetory, ccc}
{hiraki, backhand} - dont care to read/null
{grendel, nero}
Are you serious about waffles' and vedith's placement? Like I agree they're more likely town than not but how can you be more assured about contentless slots being toqn than cheetory being town for example
im barely reading for content most of the higher reads are based on other things
get ur vote off of me then.......Cheetory6 wrote:drk was town.
yeah obvNotTheRealPaul wrote:prodge
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lets get neroi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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this is why i refuse to townread youIn post 1718, Hiraki wrote:Another Nero meta read vote! Wow!
please read my posts again and tell me i'm voting nero for meta
are you having a stroke
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hiraki if "his questions dont really seem to do anything but nitpick, he's passive, and kind of a wet noodle" isn't a sufficient case or something you can agree with wrt to nero how would you feel about a grendel lynchi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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that and i dont think town scumreading a slot (backhand) as strongly as he did just has that read drop off the face of the earthIn post 1724, kraska77 wrote:Grendel's reads' progression is non existent. It really reads like he's starting from conclusions and making his way back
and his read on me/push is shit too lmfao
((also i thought u were asking whats hiraki's deal lmao))i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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the town narrative where he's annoyed that meta he doesnt have experience with is a thing is a thing i guess but im pretty sure non-meta reasons to scumread nero have been brought to the table and even if they havent before my replace in i've pushed nonmeta stuff so?
the bullheaded refusal to see it doesnt rly compute with me though which is why i'm skeptical
he kind of had ok grendel interactions thoughi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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thats why im trying to engage him on grendel
grendel and i are friends but id never honestly say i have a remote understanding of how he plays mafia as either alignment like i can say about you or house or dunn or creature
so like the points against him are meta agnostic (even though nero is too) and there isnt really a way he can insinuate they are
i guess outing this might defeat the point but i think i can tell the difference about how scum would react here vs town....i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i was talking about kraska not nero thereIn post 1730, Hiraki wrote:Surely this is only one time!
but ok i'll address your stuffi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i meanIn post 1702, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:nero can you link me a town game of yours where you were this wishy washy and uninterested in scumhunting?
the point of this question was to see if he's been this way as town before because as i read it it's just scum but i guess it's not unreasonable to think that this comes from someone who's familiar with nero's meta? idk
it's not a meta read though so let's take a look at the posts that can marginally be considered scumhunting questions from nero's iso
first question and third questions are meh i guess. he kind of does follow up on the first but it's an easy question to ask as scum and he doesnt really do anything with the information he gets from the question. same applies for the thirdIn post 601, Nero Cain wrote:
tell us more.In post 576, PenguinPower wrote:Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.
So you think he's town b/c he requested to be replaced?In post 577, MuttonChopMagic wrote:slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around
for?In post 593, Gamma Emerald wrote:K I'm slightly townreading him
second is a scummy question - the answer is already in the question and he's undermining the actual read and trying to misrep it into something less than it actually is. it's loaded and a nitpick that's just bullshit.
waffles didnt invoke amished's tell (he called his pred an idiot not scummy) - like you can argue that nero thinks that it's actually AI here and that asking sling if he knew about the tell is scumhunting but that's absolutely something scum can do and being able to point to a tell makes convincing people easier since you can detach yourself from the emotional nuances of reading someone that's hard to fake as scumIn post 754, Nero Cain wrote:vote:Sling
also like cheets PP case and I'm willing to go back the that if we can't lynch this scumbag.
but in what world is this a town reaction to getting criticism?In post 780, Nero Cain wrote:
ok, I find it not funny too. If you don't want to support something that you don't think has merit then that's on you bro. I will agree that like with any "tell" it's not 100% accurate and him telling us he thought his predecessor was dumb is still distancing himself from the previous owner. It was my impression, its scumhunting yo. If he's scum then he'll do other scummy things.In post 774, MuttonChopMagic wrote:
The first time I subbed in a game I called my predecessor scummyIn post 768, Nero Cain wrote:
I've had plenty of success with it though it only works on new players that aren't aware of said tell.In post 758, Gamma Emerald wrote:It's a fairly poor tell. It's when someone complains about their predecessor being scummy.
I was town, and like, I never believe in supporting tells that personal experience finds not funny
unvote
does he think it's scummy or not? why does he give a shit what MCM thinks about the tell?
like........................... there just isnt a town explanation for this. his mudslinging didnt work and he has to backtrack and find a new push. if this were a town thought process he'd keep pushing waffles here
In post 785, Nero Cain wrote:Gamma why aren't you voting anyone?
where is the follow up to thisIn post 787, Nero Cain wrote:Why is that?
ok he scumreads gamma but is this scummy? where is this addressed ever again?
why is he not voting sling here thenIn post 856, Nero Cain wrote:notsure pings me with 77 Looks like white knighting of Grendal. And 80 is just weird. 84 seems like a fence sit.
when mcm called him out he said that since sling is scum he'll do scum things and his pred did something he says is scummy so.....??
theres a difference between "hey i think ccc knows the answer to this, this seems off" and then being given a good explanation to why it probably doesnt matter versus being told you're pushing a shitty tell on your top scumread and then backing off and not voting that slot for a while despite the fact your iso shows that he's your top scumreadIn post 894, Nero Cain wrote:
Gamma backing down kinda irks me.In post 197, Gamma Emerald wrote:Alright. I guess given what I've seen of him it may not be a thing he would do. I feel you've thought it through so I'll let it go.
I think I should reread to get some better reads since some people had been pinging me as Town on first glance.
one shows a disjoint in thought process that most likely stems from faking it (and is just flat out hypocritical) and the other came from basically conftown
the way he also pushed this onto cheetory was pretty gross - i missed this my first skimthrough actually and this makes me want to townread cheetory a bit more.In post 936, Nero Cain wrote:Not too long ago, well maybe about a year ago. Pisskop was getting heavily scum read andreplaced out [as scum]. So I would not be surprised if he'd do the same in an attempt to maybe not get deadline lynched, idk. Cheet is also saying this is his scum meta sooooo...TACTICALLY
vote:Gamma
I have all night phase to ponder if you are his buddy or not but scums is scum.
he's already shown though he has his own thoughts on gamma so why does he need to tie cheetory's read into his? with gamma being basically conftown this reads like him trying to reduce his accountability for a mislynch
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Do you have something to say?In post 1005, Backhand wrote:What do you think about nero, grendel?what is the point of this line of questioning and why does town even think to post this ever
speaks for itself i thinkIn post 1131, kraska77 wrote:
I just posted my reads a page ago and said multiple times that I can't follow his thought process and don't like his posts,In post 1129, Nero Cain wrote:@kranska Maybe I'm not understanding something but are you actually scumreading CCC or just want him lynched 'cause he's "lynchbait"?
doesnt make an iota of sense in context, sling is......... literally asking that because he doesnt value kraskas wordsIn post 1197, Nero Cain wrote:
Why?In post 1187, SlingshotWaffles wrote:I agree this doesn't seem like Town Nero, but do you have anything else?
like just 'cause Kraska is claiming that I have no strong scum reads doesn't mean that its true. Why do you value her words over mine?
absolutely zero point to this question but mudslinging
coming from the guy who tried to push waffles for the amished tell when he didnt even invoke it lolIn post 1250, Nero Cain wrote:I mean I was scumreading both the Gamma slots and the sling shots. Kraska immediately comes in and pushes Sling. Like there's only two thoughts I can have here-they are cross bussing or I'm, wrong on one and Kraska wants to us that as evidence that I'm being wishy-washy-let alone the fact that being "wishy-washy" isn't and never will be a "scumtell" for me. Its like buzzword scumhunting.
where is nero trying to do anything though to piece together if theyre bussing or not? like maybe the above question could be a simulation of doing that but the question is so useless and misreppy i dont think this is the case
kraska accused him of not having real reads (an absolutely valid accusation btw) - thats........ not metaIn post 1260, Nero Cain wrote:
I mean sure but I mean its not like I haven't been scumhunting. In fact, Kraska is playing hard and loose with my "meta" here. Like she's saying that when I'm town I'm confident is my reads yet she's also using my previous cofidence to claim I'm not scum hunting. like bullshit. We should rope this scum.In post 1253, Cheetory6 wrote:So, when you come in and you respond to things pertaining to you, it can kind of come across like you're only popping up when you need to defend yourself.
more useless nitpicking - theyre not conftown and theres nothing wrong with sling not being 100% sure about itIn post 1569, Nero Cain wrote:this is pretty silly. Like ok, I think there is the possibility that MCM and Kraska are scum pulling a gambit but that should get cleared up sooner rather than later unless he's like 1x. It could easily be a difference in playstyle but the last time I received a FN message I did
NOTout the conf town until they got ran up b/c why? Like you advertise that X is conf town and alert the scum and any potential protective roles where to be. I just don't think her actions are as pro-town as she wants you to believe but Slings kinda fencesit here is gross.
calling it a fencesit is really dumb and theres no scum motive to it anyway considering it's easier to just say that theyre town - unless you think theres a reason that scum are going to keep MCM and kraska alive to push that narrative this is just shade that never amounts to anything
in what world is this a scumreadIn post 1571, Nero Cain wrote:
NM is null scum. Firstly, NM is always going to play like this or atleast that's the gist I got. I'm not really super familiar with him. When I replaced in and he was the leading wagon like it felt kinda safe and lazy. I could have easily wagoned him without drawing much attention and him tunneling me despite that kinda gives me an "I don't care who is lynched" vibe. I think that theoretically scum could claim backup and it would be a relatively safe claim and its something that could maybe work itself out down the line. Even if he is scum there's still two others.In post 1534, Backhand wrote:Nero and waffles, where are you at on Not_Mafia? Do you consider "backup" to be a viable claim to keep alive?
"nm is null scum but he's always going to play like this" then maybe you're not reading him right?? yeesh
so basically
- his questions have little follow-up or bite to them - this is scummy because it means it's all just for show
- he backs out of his reads easily which means he's more interested in what town wants to do than actually lynching scum
- most of his questions are leading or misreppy and dont really have any utility in scumhunting. he's just throwing pointless shade which gives me the impression he's faking scumreads and not genuinely trying to put the pieces together
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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ok with this - can you articulate like why your dislike of his content didnt lead to scumreading him?In post 1730, Hiraki wrote:About Grendel, I think I would need to read more. I really hated his early game content but I didn't SR him then. His lack of motivation/time now isn't helping with my ability to obtain a read on him. As said previously, I'm pretty set on CCC and Waffles at this point and as much as I'd love to find number 3 right now, I'm pretty committed there.
like it's fine to be like "ok i have a completely different opinion than this person but that doesn't make them scum" but i'm not really seeing the town narrative for grendel's thought process and feeling this way insinuates that you at least are waffling?
also wrt to passiveness/not doing anything but being nitpicky, i think there are town ways of doing it but there's usually some discernible thought process/something that reads like gamesolving when that's the case.
sorry to use meta but like house is a player i can read well who likes to nitpick a lot as either alignment and there's a very clear town way he does it and a clear scum way he does it. when he's town, he gets aggressive and starts throwing his weight around to get people to notice whatever contradiction he sees. as scum he does it just for the sake of being "right" if that makes sense. like the difference is as town he's convinced he's right and wants others to notice, as scum he's just arguing with his "scumread"
with nero i get a similar impression, like there's a "gotcha!" kind of feel for how he deals with his scumreads but then there's little follow through to get interest in their lynchesi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i'm not really getting a vibe one way or the other from them off gut alone, can you point out something more specific in his recent posts you dislike?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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you mean like here?In post 1741, Hiraki wrote:I agree with kraska and that's with the knowledge that we have vastly different opinions of this game.
eh... i mean he and kraska are kind of right that that set of posts didnt really help you pick out what you were seeing
with the stuff on me, I guess that makes sense? like you have a point where that "technically correct" kind of mindset usually comes from scum since it's easier to argue a perspective that you know is true and dont need to lie/misrep/show how informed you are to prove it which i kind of mentioned earlier
i guess the progression makes sensei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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if scum had a completely null partner wouldnt they be fine bussing it since it's an infoless lynch that could be used to give them towncredit
or better yet do nothing about it and push other people as bussersi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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hmm
ok
then yeah
it's probably nero+grendel+comical third option
i kind of have off vibes about vedith here (he seems more reasonable/logical than normal but i'll admit i cant read him worth shit), but it's not the psuedomasons, slingshot, or paul. cheet and ccc dont fit due to interactions too, that team probably does still go for the pr shot even if nero and grendel are likely lynches since theres a lot of lynchbait in this town
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i read through that and i'm happy i pushed nero over you
now - you said earlier you were waffling wrt nero? what aspects of his play are town, or were you just concered about him flipping scum and making you look worse (i'd rather see nero flip scum and then you ml'd than nero avoided outright.... or your flip lowering my towncred to get nero lynched)?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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grendel if you're town i'll see through it
ive barely interacted with your slot and you had a post that was like asking drk who her scumreads-that-are-prs and you had a difficult to follow thought process
those are amendable things i think - they look scummy but i havent read the game proper and maybe look less bad when i can understand the nuance and context
point is nothing is set in stonei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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well we don't know if accountant is scum and my read on that slot is largely based on nero
i would rather figure that out first - see how nero reacts to my case vs him, etci no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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he meant slingshot lolIn post 1830, NotTheRealPaul wrote:Never been lynched D1 Grendel. Got lynched D2 in my only completed gamei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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ok
grendel can be town
once nero posts a retort and hiraki gets back to me i think we should end the day before we get souped up in apathy again since i dont really see a direction we go in other than a nero lynchi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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not trying for bonus pointsIn post 1736, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:his questions have little follow-up or bite to them - this is scummy because it means it's all just for show
he backs out of his reads easily which means he's more interested in what town wants to do than actually lynching scum
most of his questions are leading or misreppy and dont really have any utility in scumhunting. he's just throwing pointless shade which gives me the impression he's faking scumreads and not genuinely trying to put the pieces togetheri no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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no - it's not. i literally explained what that meant in the sentence before itIn post 1870, Nero Cain wrote:Replacing out is null, replacing out under pressure is kinda scummy. I thought it was odd that MCM was town reading the replacement for replacing out.
All this "nitpicky" and "loaded" is just maniplutive word salad.
your question is - "so you're townreading him for replacing out"... when the statement you're asking about is already in the question. by a "nitpick" i'm saying that it's a trifling detail that notsure replaced out. the real meat of the read as mcm says is in thehow
your question completely ignores that and asks something already answered. that's ignoring the meat of a read and undermining it, not trying to get an explanation.
lazily pushing on a tell is scummy because it gives you an excuse to not look into motivationIn post 1870, Nero Cain wrote:means nothing.
that
absolutely means something
how does this make sense...........In post 1870, Nero Cain wrote:Just look at 856,927. I'm still scumreading his slot. There wasn't support for his lynch. I could be right, I could be wrong. If I'm wrong then me just continuing to hollar that he's scum from the rooftops does nothing but distraction from lynching scum. Even if he was scum there were still two others so yeah. If you want to callit LAMIST fine but it was the pro-town thing to do also I unvote my scumreads like all the time so?
the person who was getting wagonned at this time was n_m - your scumreads were gamma, waffles, pp, and backhand iirc. how would you asserting your opinion that waffles is scum here distract from scum getting lynched when you don't even think scum is getting wagonned? like you would have a point if gamma was the main wagon at the time and you voted gamma instead of unvoting, but you vote gamma like a day later.
the more salient point there too is why didnt you returnwhenyou pointed out things you found scummy in, say, 856, that weren't amished's tell.
when you vote him you only mention his replace outIn post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:How 'bout when I fucking vote him?
re-iso'd you again and this resurfaces though....... for you to call it nai
this is like maybe the only retort you've said that makes sense but i really dont think your own gamma scumread was addressed that strongly in threadIn post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:I didn't "need" too. I'm just saying it reinforced my own read.
uhhh there's a lot more to that interaction than you just asking why someone's scumreading you, just the way you went about it feels off. plus backhand could have been trying to sort grendel with that line of questioning, i dont think your snipe really helps you figure that outIn post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:Backhand had been snarking at the sidelines without engaging me for awhile. That's not townie. I ask ppl why they are scumreading me all the time. Why is that such a strange question to ask someone that was scum reading me/doing the leg work to try and get heat on me slot?
please tell me how, then, that thought was meant to piece together if theyre bussing or notIn post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:How is it misreppy when that's you know...what actully happened? Its me thinking outloud.
first of all how am i bullish on nm's slot being town? i called vedith odd already and my townread of that slot has always been weakIn post 1871, Nero Cain wrote:ummm...I've argued at least twice about not lynching NM. Like NM being a useless not entity and lurking through the game is a real possibilit I think and its in no way scuumy for me to keep that in the back of my mind. Why are you so bullish on NM slot being town?
but i dont understand the thought process where you say you scumread n_m but give reasoning that makes it seem like a non-committal and nonexistent read.
anyway, nero, what's your read on me? you obviously dislike my push but is it bad in a scummy way to you? why or why not
i dont think a scumteam with you tries to save you ever lmfaoNero Cain wrote:oh look, I'm everyone's top scumread now, besides maybe Hiraki and Cheet. Like that should be a huge neon sign that I'm a mislynch.
anyway cheetory and hiraki are next, wanted to address my scumread firsti no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i) as a tell it's bad yeah but most static "tells" are kind of crap. the important thing is to look at the hows. anyway... for examples of what i mean in a condensed wayIn post 1855, Cheetory6 wrote:i) Lack of follow-ups to questions isn't a good scumtell and there are other reasons that could apply besides just asking questions for the sake of looking like you're asking questions. I would need examples where you feel like he doesn't have bite where you feel like townNero would otherwise.
ii) I feel like dropping reads is easier for town to do than scum? Do you have experience with the opposite? Because I feel like as scum, I generally just hold onto my reads because I'm scared that switching easily is something that I won't be able to do convincingly vs just doubling down on what reads I do have.
iii) Nero throws a lot of shade as town. I also think it makes sense for someone uninvested who isn't as overly concerned with how he appears to push angles that aren't thought through.
- 601 (mostly the second one - the answer to the question is in what he's quoting anyway and he's clearly missing the meat of the read)
- 1129 second example of a question he asks where the answer is in front of him and deconstructs the purpose of whoever he's asking's original thoughts
- 1197 i guess has "bite" but it's not the kind of bite you would see from someone gamesolving or who noticed something scummy. it's leading slingshot into saying something he clearly doesnt believe in
ii) i think this is more of a personality tell - like i can tell you'd be the kind of scum more likely to tunnel because you'd be more self-conscious of how people perceive you in general (i'm kind of the same way). i'm sure nero has some degree of self-consciousness since we're all human but i dont get as strong of a vibe from him in that regard. like the way he backed off just looked awkward in of itself, where we would probably avoid doing that because of its repercussions while nero sees it as the right move to do as either alignment. it'd be scummy no matter who did it but nero decided to post it is my point though.
iii) it's not the shade that's scummy, it's how it's thrown. i still dont really understand how, say, the questions i pointed out above give any sort of insight to the game besides making slots (most of which are flipped town anyway) "look" worse. like i've seen nero be snarky and throw shade at his scumreads, but he was doing something with it. it just feels half-hearted here since he's not really pointing at scummy behavior but things that are "wrong".i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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