Mini 1991: Taking Justice Into Our Own Hands (Town Win)

[Eddie Cane]

mother fucker I was going to tunnel you lexa

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: lexa

[Eddie Cane]

I've read 3 pages worth probably and I'm fucking pissed lexas scum

[Eddie Cane]

zito is town

[Eddie Cane]

fitz probably a partner that's a garbage reason to get off

[Eddie Cane]

awoo was gonna tunnel u sorry u flipped scum

[Eddie Cane]

probably 1 of fitz and awoo and someone on the wagon

[Eddie Cane]

lrxa is from my home site and did some annoying shit I wanted to pol8cy so i pmd mod to rrplafe and IT ISN'T POLICY IF SHE'S A SICK F7CK WHY AM I RVEN PLAYING

[Eddie Cane]

gonna catch up inbetween sets at the gym rn but its a short game

[Eddie Cane]

ftr, skimmrd along and pmd mod to replace ad the game started. lrxa is a good friend who did some scummy shiy. I miss rb. I want a game with all mods so zito is fun. all in all cool playerlist

[Eddie Cane]

oh yea, riggs was pretty sucmmy. bad chainsaw defense and weak was posting iirc

[Eddie Cane]

if i havwntmentioned u yet no impression

I'm gonna post more coherently at home on lex a later

[Eddie Cane]

has havo done anything besides declare being policy antitown?

not calling the claim scummy

me not remembering 1 of his other posts is bad

[Eddie Cane]

I want to spark some debate, get people stirred up. And I want to see how people interact with the wagon.

Right now we've got:
fitz
Zito
Lexa
numberQ (me)
Awoo
Riggs

on the wagon

oh hey, we are at L-1, unless I missed an unvote.

WE'RE AT L-1, FOLKS

What do you think of the people who jumped on your wagon, Havo?

if havo flips red so is this slot

[Eddie Cane]

I'm down for the self-hammer

VOTE: Havo

Why don't you want to draw out the d1, have more to look at once a scum flips?

???

VOTE: Lexa

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Hello GNR...have you been away awhile?

weak vote at this stage

[Eddie Cane]

numberq, why are you still voting havo if you feel like there's enough talking points already?

not sure what to make of lexa asking for meta on someone who joined two days ago. i'd want to say that it at least shows they're not scum together, but it's such an out of the blue and weird question that i could see someone asking it about a scum buddy.

by the way, havo has done this l-1 hammer thing in every game i've seen him in – if you want to lynch him for that, it'd be policy. i feel like he's been town so far in his responses.

VOTE: lexa

this is called asking questions for the sake of looking busy

nsg is town i am under the impression her scum is shit so that's easy

[Eddie Cane]

i'll quick hammer havo if he gets to l-1

lol

[Eddie Cane]

Cedrick, why do you want to hammer havo? You know this implies the final vote of a lynch correct? Is this a misunderstanding or do you actually want to lynch him? provide reasoning.

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I don't know what to make of Q's reaction to my vote. Made me say "wtf". Here's why I'm voting Q:

- Don't like his tone
- Asking a lot of unnecessary questions 34, seems like the only purpose of that is to """be town""" or show concern for the game
- 43 wtf
- What north said too
- Doesnt understand that im going to win the game 31
- 71 [talking about self voting] [Also, why are we arguing the merits of self-voting?] more useless posts why??
- 72 @Q ok what do you make of this? is it AI? because there are votes on lexa, so what do you think of that?
-74 - doing it again "look at me ive been asking those questions and analyzing" - you shouldnt have to bring this up. your ""townyness"" is being shoved in my face so much that I am forced to question your motivations!

oops sorry if i just made a case on the third page x-D

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PEDIT:
Hey north!! see my opener, im taking it easy now. this should have good results ))))))))

Good case

VOTE: numberq

@awoo: what about his tone is pinging you? Has seemed fairly par for the course so far

sheeping bad town doesn't get u towncred

[Eddie Cane]

- Asking a lot of unnecessary questions 34, seems like the only purpose of that is to """be town""" or show concern for the game

Asking for clarification on something I'm confused on is trying to show concern for the game?

- Doesnt understand that im going to win the game 31

Oh yeah I forgot my bad

- 71 [talking about self voting] [Also, why are we arguing the merits of self-voting?] more useless posts why??

Yeah that whole argument line probably was useless, that's why I pointed that out in my post and turned attention back on Cedrick's statements.

- 72 @Q ok what do you make of this? is it AI? because there are votes on lexa, so what do you think of that?

I didn't really make anything of it, seemed to me that Lexa also didn't notice the account was 2 days old. The off-siter comment is weird as hell though. I think it pairs well with north's comment about the meta question being out of the blue and possibly indicative of scum-buddying.

-74 - doing it again "look at me ive been asking those questions and analyzing" - you shouldnt have to bring this up. your ""townyness"" is being shoved in my face so much that I am forced to question your motivations!

Out of context, sure, but I was directly replying to north implying I wasn't doing anything with my aggressive wagoning of Havo.

@north, is there another reason for your vote other than weird interactions with Cedrick? If not, why Lexa and not Cedrick?

In fact I'm gonna vote Ced, pending his explanation for the hammer-but-no-vote comment.

VOTE: Cedrick

PEDIT:

Good case

You mean first case. Didn't you jump on the Havo wagon too, at the first sign of any momentum?

alright reply, not great. doubt he's s/s with ced

[Eddie Cane]

lol

14 posts and one vote

such momentum

what the fuck

[Eddie Cane]

not a fan of lexa tbh

are we gonna powetoqn this time rb

or are u gonna have a tantrum and get banned and force me to carry dumbasses

[Eddie Cane]

rb, why are you townreading awoo?

[Eddie Cane]

Pretty sure we got ourselves a textbook case of OMGUS right there. Can't handle the pressure very well, can you?

btw this reminds me I have some tells I think on mumble, I'll be able to sort this slot

[Eddie Cane]

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

because your minicase was mediocre, but im surprised a page 3 case didn't get more sheeping because building wagons is pro town.

[Eddie Cane]

page 6 lrxa reads like when I was scum trying to interact with town mumble. it's like talking to a brick wall but that brick wall is calling you a cunt and screaming for the cops. dunno if that means much but it's funny

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Cedrick

lexa's speedwagon makes me iffy actually

haven't you literally said wagon speed is nai in games w me lol what's weird here

[Eddie Cane]

I'll continue from page 8 in a bit

[Eddie Cane]

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

I didn’t find your mini case that convincing.

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

It was a post that happened an hour or so ago, and pointed out that you naked voted me after I voted you, thus pointing out the OMGUS-factor.

But why do you keep saying omgus? You keep saying it like it means something. Omgus isn’t scummy nor does it only come from scum. I feel you are hiding behind a buzz word. I don’t find Lexa voting you strange. If anything I find your aggression fake and scummy.

Yes?

Lol no it isn’t. (This is about omgus being scummy)

VOTE: mumbles

mumbles push looks bad to me and omgus isn’t scummy. Mumbles did something mildly suspicious and got voted for it and it looks like he tried to put a townie spin on it. He should have known a reasonless vote hop on somebody was going to generate that kind of reaction. Lexa’s Reaction imo is normal

bad post

[Eddie Cane]

no one has played with me before" implies "not an alt"

Just want to clear up that I am actually an alt. Nobody has played with me on this account was what I meant.

Is it a secret alt? If not, I would very much like to know it. I'm a relatively "meta" heavy player - I don't like to do in depth meta dives but I use it as a basis for a lot of my reads from memory.

Im actually going to make this public knowledge so no one can "townslip" this:

My first game was scum, and I was unable to post in the game due to the whole "alt detection" thing, but I was able to post in the scum PT pregame despite it.

what relevance does this have to absolutely anything?

EBWOP: disregard my last re: post timing, thought you were referring to a different post

As for voting reasons, they are what I said. You entered the game by jumping on a wagon without any game advancing content. That gets a vote everytime.

My defense is faltering! Grasps for straws, ensign!

So me and Alex did the same thing. Why not vote him. It gets a vote everytime.

"why me" defence, mumbles scumlean

why you.

Of being made the leading wagon?

See, this is basic psychology, something that I said or did struck a nerve. I'm inclined to think it was me voting you and making you the leading wagon. It's why you didn't really react strongly to NSG or rb, but you did to me.

I've got to do the dishes. Be back soon. Much love, Lexa.

oh more "why me" defence

we can lynch mumbles anytime

(yes im backreading the thread in reverse chronological order)

how are these scum tells and not just bad tells?

How is the age of an account important

Lots of people are new and good, lots of people are veterans and awful. bad metric never use

age of account is relevant to a degree. exceptions don't take away from the general fact that the more experienced you are the better you are on average.

read the last paragraph of 182 and first imagine that someone you know is a veteran player who's played multiple games before said it, and then imagine that a relatively newer player said it. isn't there a very different outcome depending on which angle you look at it from?

i'm deliberately being obtuse here because i'd rather not say what i'm looking for until cedrick answers.

good post

Cedrick is kind of weird in the sense that he interprets what voting means a bit differently from the rest of us. Is that scummy? no its just weird. I'm not lynching this d1 just because he treats votes with more weight then they actually have. And don't bother trying to discuss with him back and forth "i dont get it why would you hammer him?" or something else on his weird (but not scummy!) behavior to try to fake a buildup of suspicion before voting him, I will see through it.

^ written before rb switched votes
v written before rb switched votes

I don't particularly like either of the people voting him. Also what luca said about mumble +1, but we all need to see more of mumble/lexa before making better reads, 'cause like I said that sort of interaction is just going to serve to make both sides look scummy. +1 to cedrick for looking out for fake aggression, mafia does that for sure.

VOTE: mumble -- Q hasn't posted in a while I gotta stay current. This looks good so far

rb - is Lexa VS mumble TvT, SvT, TvS, SvS? Your posts make it hard to discern what you are reading, please comment on this.

why does you voting the beginner not surprise me

VOTE: Lexa
(putting the vote first kinda ruins the flow of my post, but I'll make the sacrifice for the sake of the vote counter)

I think Mumble came away from that argument looking a lot better than Lexa. tbh I found both initial votes slightly strange, but Lexa's was a reaction that only later got any justification, and it was fairly weak justification too. If I'm understand it right, their vote was for Mumble's weak entrance to the game, fair enough. But then they switched to Alex after that argument made Mumble look more towny, I guess? Lexa never said why, except they "can't see mafia being this obtuse". And the Alex vote is in spite of several other even weaker, naked-er votes in the game. Why did you not go after those posts, Lexa?

As for the OMGUS stuff, it can certainly be scummy in context, though I guess it depends on your definition of OMGUS and let's not have another semantics argument please. The point is, Mumble explained why Lexa's vote on him was scummy, and it made more sense to me than Lexa explaining why they voted him.

mumbles push looks bad to me and omgus isn’t scummy. Mumbles did something mildly suspicious and got voted for it and it looks like he tried to put a townie spin on it. He should have known a reasonless vote hop on somebody was going to generate that kind of reaction. Lexa’s Reaction imo is normal

That's not my interpretation. I see it the exact opposite, that Lexa did something suspicious and is trying to put a townie spin on it. Particularly the poorly reasoned hop to Alex felt like scum with bad intentions.

Other things:

VOTE: Cedrick

lexa's speedwagon makes me iffy actually

Does it make you iffier than the Havo speedwagon?

Im actually going to make this public knowledge so no one can "townslip" this:

My first game was scum, and I was unable to post in the game due to the whole "alt detection" thing, but I was able to post in the scum PT pregame despite it.

How is that a townslip? If anything it would be a scumslip, or am I interpreting what you're saying wrong?

PEDIT: oh jesus this is what I get for walking away for a half hour while writing this post. I don't have time to read the last page and a half right now, I skimmed it and I don't think anything changes what I just wrote out.

good post

but I can't really understand that stance.

I’ve already explained my stance. What’s not to understand?

Well, if you take '

understand

' by it's literal meaning then I do

understand

, I just can't relate to that mindset.

I mean, you don't want to vote him as you don't scumread him, but you'd want to immediately hammer him given the chance to basically teach him a lesson, regardless of what his alignment might be?

It feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

your first post was good. this is eh though with it being your only content postmortem.

VOTE: Mumble

So far, mumble, as well as a couple others, have been rubbing me the wrong way reading their posts. Not sure on a lot of things at the moment, but this seems like a better idea than havo at the moment

cuhlassic

nsg i have higher expectations of you

what's the issue with what nsg is doing so far? one of my stronger townreads at this point in the thread and creating good content. what higher expectation could u possibly have, voting Q and mumble?

You’re scummy for trying to use non game related things like they are relevant.

cftwr

North i want to hear you talk about the other people in the game so I can see if you're doing something instead of just justifying really hard "I am town see my thought process even though its pretty irrelevant since 5 pages ago"

idk why suspicious people have such a thing for cedrick?

so what about cedrick's posts do you townread?

NSG, your theory relies on Cedrick and Lexa being scum partners. Not only is it way too early to get worked up about potential scumteams, don't you think scum would be mindful of how they communicate with their partners early in the game? I can't imagine a situation where Cedrick and Lexa have a conversation in the scum pt about how they both play on a different site, and then Lexa goes straight in the thread and greets him as a '

fellow off-siter

'. It was an interesting and worthwhile observation, but putting so much stock in it as you have done seems ridiculous to me.

As for Cedrick being too experienced to make the 'pre-game' comment - I agree with rb that, regardless of his experience, there is no way to know if he genuinely intended to deceive with this comment. I'm pretty sure I've had a scum game in the past where the game had started before I even had a chance to post in the pt.

...did i miss something? i guess after my catchup i'll see cedrick's posts. what pre-game shit?

Struggling reading most of this day. Maybe it’s just late but I read and don’t seem to retain any of it. Or maybe it’s just that none of it is sticking out to me yet. But that’s very typical Day 1 for me.

Mumbles seems sketchy but isn’t that always Mumbles?

Luca seems intentionally neutral.

just snipping this of the posts, but havo town.

=why you townread awoo so storngly please.

[Eddie Cane]

So my thoughts on the whole Lexa thing -

She likes Awoo's case on numberQ, votes for numberQ, but then shortly after abandons that endeavour in a kneejerk reaction to Mumble's vote? When I was initially skimming, I figured dropping a vote on Lexa right after Mumble would be good for a laugh and to see how she reacts to more pressure. Don't really like the 1v1 between Mumble and Lexa. I don't understand the anger there on Lexa's part, but then I don't really have any meta to go on with her. Maybe worth checking out some of her old games. But I don't like 123, trying to dismiss pressure I generally find to come from scum more than town IMO. And I don't like the 163 jump from Mumble to me. As Awoo mentioned it does appear like Lexa comes across as being cornered into that vote. I don't really like leaving Mumble with the reason that scum wouldn't be so obtuse. Sounds like a phony excuse to get out of a vote that you regret. And moving to someone that's basically inactive doesn't seem to serve much purpose.

I just dislike that Lexa appears to have viewed the most scummy thing in the game to that point as being a few empty votes and it makes me think she had no real reads or nothing to gon before. Granted its early still but I felt more relevant things happened than Mumble and I voting her. And the way she reacted to the votes is pretty bad. I'm keen to see how she responds to her wagon though.

I feel like Mumble vs Lexa is TvS, so the current wagons are interesting.

alright post. i'm going ot post more about both mumble and lexa when i'm done catching up i think.

There's no way all these newbies are newbies good lord who am I playing with.

VOTE: Cedric

this.

I like when you call me Papa.

For now I'm content to wait and see what Lexa does with the huge ass wagon on her (?).

Mumble is just a ball of snark and I don't really have a read on him one way or another.

spoiler alert: this is how mumble reads should be

Luca, Havo and Papa:

What are your reads on Lexa and Mumble?

Mumbles is usually scummy to me. I have a hard time reading him. No difference here.

Lexa just doesn’t give me a scum vibe. But no one has as of yet.

sigh.

UNVOTE:

doesn't post for ages and comes back unvoting 5 minutes after a massive wall and moving on to other things.

Papa zito I don't think you are actually having fun in this game from reading your posts and behavior (getting prodded). You better start funtelling fast if that's your claim.
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NOW I WILL ANSWER NSG!!!!!!!!!

can you clarify why what he's doing is scum searching for reasons and not just sorting low content slots? from what i understand you're saying that the answers to his questions don't actually help him to sort people, but i didn't really get the same feeling looking over his posts and i'd like to hear this in more specifics from you. what i would levy against numberq is asking questions that he doesn't care about the answers to, not whose answers are meaningless.

Good catch on the "asking questions without care of the answers", I didn't specifically notice that.

I believe the intent of these posts is (throwing suspicion/scouting out mislynch targets) because of the attitude and language he uses with respect to these slots. I will demonstrate below.

In fact this ties right in with what you said about asking questions without care for the answers, because the true intent is not to SORT but rather (throwing suspicion/scouting out mislynch targets), as answers would help sort.

Taken from 260

(Lexa and Alex are anagrams of each other, scumteam confirmed)

Unfunny forced humor calling a low content (At the time) slot scum.

Kind of null to me. He's making some relevant observations, but that's pretty much all they are.

I'm not seeing any real analysis

from his posts.

His read on rb in 178 is especially hilarious

- he says rb's posting is very surface level, but

I haven't seen any better from Luca himself

in his 4 posts.

Is this how you talk about a slot that is "kind of null"? Throwing suspicion (1).

Bold part is from me, what makes the observation worthwhile if it's not worth putting stock in? How much stock is the limit before it starts getting ridiculous?

I've already expressed my concerns, this line is 100% trash just asking questions for its own sake.

Taken from 261

(On fitz' reaction to rb asking the entire game about thier read on luca)
Why are you asking about this post over everything else in the game?

But seriously, what are you hoping to gain from rb answering this?

Something about this posts feels weird, I'm going to copy Awoo's case against me and say fitz is asking a lot of questions so he looks town. I'm having trouble putting a scumhunting mindset behind most of his posts so far, 254 is just the most stand out example that caught my attention. 55 is somewhat of an exception, but it's only justifying a vote he already placed.

"I'm having trouble putting a scumhunting mindset behind someone with 6 posts, 4 of which are from RVS wagon and 1 is a V/LA announcement"
"I'm having trouble townreading a null slot therefore its a scumread"

This is not a town thought process. It's hard to really point to things specifically but this is really my point about the whole "searching for reasons to scumread people rather then sort" thing: He's already calling them scum before he's sorted them!
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Alex hasn't posted? He's scum. Haha jk just being ironic .
Fitz is V/LA since RVS? He's scum. I just can't see town asking a question about something strange, smh.
Luca has only 4 posts? He's mostly null but like you know i cant really town read him like you know he isnt really that town you know? Yeah.
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"Your weakass shade is shady"
- fitz

I cant hold back anymore this is my vote until he dies!!!!!!! I'm sorry mumble! I-I can't do this anymore!!!! I have to be true to myself!!

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towny, but bad case. too confbiasy

I like that case, and I'll hammer anyone of Mumble/numberQ/Lexa right now

...why

That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.

So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?

Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.

who was town before? because i am having trouble getting solid townreads atm. strange place to be at.

@mod, please replace me

I feel shitty doing this but some real life issues have arisen recently and I'm not able to play mafia right now. Sorry, everyone.

oh, i'm me

I think he's got the best chance to flip scum atm.

You should vote him too!

zito, what's your lexa read rn? scum, right? would you do that if cedrick won't happen? not that it won't but if it ends up busting.

oh hey eddie

-_-

anyone remember when i asked if anyone had played with cedrick before?

eddie town af

why is this relevant

Awoo...stop posting.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

i'm somewhere like here rn

{rb, zitmaster9000, NSG}
{Mumble, Luca, Havo, Alex, Awoo}
{Cedrick}
{GNR, Fitz}
{Lexa}

[Eddie Cane]

nsg, wanna do something "fun"

[Eddie Cane]

Yea, it is contingent on scum lexa. Town lexa changes that. I'm going to lexa case soon if I have time, I feel pretty good about it.

[Eddie Cane]

I really don't like Fitz, land I'm not the biggest fan of Havo and Mumble either. I joined for Lexa and RB being in a game together, a rare commidity. I was in the last rendition. What was different with his scum play there? I don't know him well enough to meta read him.

[Eddie Cane]

Game time! Explain the events of this game, pages 1-16, as you remember them. Don't reread, don't fact check.

[Eddie Cane]

Awoo, iirc you're an alt of someone right? Idr who

[Eddie Cane]

Mumble info for those who don't know him

I've played with Mumble twice. Once me S v him T; I, to quote Transcend, dominated him. Second, I subbed due to other reasons (lol hi Havo you were one of the other reasons xd), he S v me T. I don't know if this is a rule for his meta, but I do know he lurked the FUCK out of that scum game and not as much as the town game. He wasn't a beacon of activity, but he posted what I'd call "sparsely" as town and essentially prodged as scum. And, as town, I remember fighitng him as scum was the most annoying shit ever because kinda like Fitz he kept throwing completely garbage arguments and acting like he'd made some god catch off a false positive. The thing is, he got EXTREMELY emotional and angry, and it was believable. I firmly believe off of a p e r s o n a l i t y a n a l y s i s that activity and emotion will sort Mumble accurately later on, so he's off the table for now for me. This is also because I townread him so far; the comments about him I've seen ITG are best demonstrated by Zito's "a bunch of snark". IIRC, and havo or mumble (lol) can correct me if I'm remembering wrong, he did not have that same type of snark as scum at /all/. I think his dickishness and Lexa interactions are pretty likely town. At the very least, everyone voting him can fuck right off for now unless you explain why he's scum and not bad.

[Eddie Cane]

i'm somewhere like here rn

{rb, zitmaster9000, NSG, Mumble}
{Luca, Havo, Alex, Awoo}
{Cedrick}
{GNR, Fitz}
{Lexa}

I just convinced myself Mumble deserves a promotion. If we were going to have a game with easy reads I'd rather creature because he's at least competent but shrug.

[Eddie Cane]

I really don't like Fitz, land I'm not the biggest fan of Havo and Mumble either. I joined for Lexa and RB being in a game together, a rare commidity. I was in the last rendition. What was different with his scum play there? I don't know him well enough to meta read him.

he can confirm or deny whether i'm representing this accurately but he came out of rvs with a scumread on someone way stronger than it had any business being for the reason that he had (self-voting in rvs), and he was wallposting responses which almost50 said that he's never seen town fitz do before. basically, he fabricated a read on someone and faked conviction in it, and i just don't see the same style or mindset in his play this game (kind of the opposite, really).

actually, i remember scum fitz wallposting a lot too. it's been a while and i don't think he knows what alt we played that on so that's fun. maybe he could be town, but if lexa reds i'm gonna be crosseyeing him a lot because that unvote and early game vote are both preeeeetty damn bad.

let's see here. i know the game started and got to a good number of pages before i even checked it, so thinking back i'm pretty sure it all started out with havo doing his hammer l-1 thing and then numberq running him up based on that, asking a lot of questions. lexa was there, awoo as well i think. i came in around page 5 i think and began by questioning numberq about

his

questioning, conversation didn't end up going anywhere really but i left it wanting to wait and see if numberq would actually come to any conclusions from his questions or just keep asking them to look busy. probably nothing really important happened for a few pages and then mumble entered the thread ...

oh wait, i think in that time i had my whole thing on cedrick and the "scumslip" or whatever. maybe that happened after the mumble thing. anyways, mumble entered the thread, voted lexa, they got into a whole argument that lasted a few pages.

after that, rb asked me a lot of stupid questions i think or just bothered me a lot, awoo came in stronger with the numberq scumread, alex did something maybe, and ....

kind of blanking at the end there. someone said i was disappointing them in my play, one of the few things that people can say to get me upset in mafia. then i think you replaced in.

i think my catchup might have fucked your memory, i quoted and/or referenced a /lot/ of 406 haha

rb's a reaction player and a tone reader. aka, 2x cancer in some people's minds. are you familiar with him? relevant for my follow up

[Eddie Cane]

Texas my eyes glaze over when I read your posts. That happens when you're scum. When you're town, you gamesolve and I nod my head and go along with it because we think similarily. this has been true in... every game i've seen you play on our home site? here, we've played together twice.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71319 - game with lexa on site. svs. he subbed d1... not a lot to say

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 - game with lexa on site. t me v s him. vigged n1, not a lot to say. did that garbage wallpost, though it's a /little/ different from here, wrapped around a bunch of sparse comments.

i will give lexa credit: his play here is different than those games. and, on our home site, i think i've seen 6 or 7 of his game... and all were town except 1. in that 1, it was similar to here, very glossy and just in general weak thoughts. texas has a pretty shitty scum game, and a pretty damn good town game. he's not playing pretty damn good here, and that means he's very likely scum.

[Eddie Cane]

i think i read a game with him in it before my first game even started, and otherwise i'm only familiar with him from reading back through the bans / "stop getting banned" thread.

oh

he's a reaction test player, and a tone reader. a lot of people don't like him because he can be a dick (including some of my friends), but I personally enjoy playing with him a lot. he's also a bit town leadery but not the "good" kind like nacho, more the bossy controlling kind like rc (who plays pretttty similarily, but less toney).

does that affect the "annoyed" part? more importantly, what's your read on the slot rn? it's probably my weakest TR but i do really want him to be town and his posting aligned with me at the earlier parts.

[Eddie Cane]

This is annoying. I end up with too many townreads not scumreads. This is why I don't join newbie games anymore.

someone play w me

[Eddie Cane]

Not quoting because fuck formatting on mobile but responding to you Luca

Something can be inherently NAI (havo's principle) while being more probably town motivated (scum avoidance of policy Lynch). Straight forward

The key word in that sentence was reliably, if have doesn't believe that reads are reliable D1, something he said explicitly iirc, then it stands to reason he prefers to use flip analysis and role results as the core of his reading. Doesn't mean he'll never use behavior to make a read but by being unwilling to do it D1 it shows a possible tell against him if he were to start doing so D1

Sure it's a standard RVS opening for a standard game. Except this isn't really a standard game. Standard games don't typically have multiple wagons with potential momentum by the end of page 1. I don't believe riggs, or anyone, jumps in with an RVs vote without at least skimming the first page and noticing the numerous votes placed

Aside from the fact the stance isn't even contradictory you're missing the point, pointing out something surface level and using that as ammunition doesn't work if you aren't considering the implications of why what you're attacking was posted, and you don't need to see someone post to think about that - the surface level posting suggests hes not concerned with sorting alignment

Cringe away, I said from the start it was a layout of my thought process

Want to engage with you specifically because you've been posting things that are generally on the ball imo but I've not been getting a good feel for why or how you're getting there

If they were scum buddies I'd expect he enters the wagon with a definitive stance, at least sheeping the reasoning of someone else on the wagon or avoiding it entirely

I wasn't shading you? Was appreciating if anything, you had a situation where as scum you could have used your counterarguments as a means to easily transition into a justified vote but instead simply guided NSG away from their stance on cedrick, that you didn't is a positive marker for me

Alex's posts were more than decent they were hugely town telling and more than enough for my "over analysis" to sort them. Don't need to take 50 posts when they show you in two

more glaze

[Eddie Cane]

Zito's townread is mostly tone. I get the vibe he considers himself above everyone itg but is also not a dick like some geriatric fucks and is being lighthearted. I haven't scumread one of his posts, and a few clicked while I was reading through; 326 is gold. 305 good. 298 is him being the only player who's reading mumble properly having no experience; null.

[Eddie Cane]

does that affect the "annoyed" part? more importantly, what's your read on the slot rn? it's probably my weakest TR but i do really want him to be town and his posting aligned with me at the earlier parts.

null, really. i felt like a lot of his questioning was pointless but nothing really stood out to me as overtly scummy.

pointless questioning is often considered a scum tell

:shrug:

wya with reads?

[Eddie Cane]

where did you go lexa and luca

[Eddie Cane]

Official Vote Count 1-7

Lexa

(4): Alexcellent, Mumble, northsidegal, Eddie Cane

Mumble

(4): Cedrick, Guy_Named_Riggs, Lexa, rb

Cedrick

(1): Papa Zito

Eddie Cane

(1): Awoo

Not Voting

(3): havingfitz, Luca Blight, Havo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-23 09:00:00)

Nothing has actually changed other than Eddie Cane's replace in, but I need this for my vote counter.

GNR Lexa Fitz team gn

[Eddie Cane]

so anyway i'm working 7 days in a row this week and i've so far worked 32 hours in 3 days, i cbf really giving detailed thoughts but i'm not a fan of this replace in and still willing to hammer anywhere from lexa/mumbles/numberq (now eddie cane)

zito's a question mark, probably just lazy town tho and i don't agree on cedrick read

northsidegal i'd hammer too

bye4now

why is mumble scum

[Eddie Cane]

I agree with you on mumbles and Eddie. I feel like Eddie is trying the spam it up and be aggressive in order to look town and unfortunately he doesn’t look town and his reads are terrible. He’s annoying and I’m already busy enough his spam posting is going to make it harder to do that.

Mumbles/Eddie - prob scum

Zito/havo/gnr - useless POSs who aren’t providing anything of value to the game.

I’d lynch any one of these people.

why is mumble scum

[Eddie Cane]

I’m voting mumbles. No point in letting his wagon die. Vote mumbles

his wagon is gonna die, maybe you will after

[Eddie Cane]

zito, what's your lexa read rn? scum, right? would you do that if cedrick won't happen? not that it won't but if it ends up busting.

I think Lexa is town actually.

One of the reasons I've been fairly quiet this game thus far is I don't have a good handle on how any these players think at all so I wanted to let them roam free so to speak and see how they do things without me influencing anyone in any way. Lexa is a good example of this. I think I have a pretty good handle on how she (still ?) works. For example, her latest post:

Something can be inherently NAI (havo's principle) while being more probably town motivated (scum avoidance of policy Lynch). Straight forward

The obvious contradiction here is that if something is inherently NAI then it simply can't be town motivated otherwise it's not inherently NAI. I've seen her throw a lot of jargon around incorrectly and so I've spent some time parsing if it's misleading or mistaking and I think it's the latter. Lexa's posting doesn't strike me as a player attempting to lead others astray or mask intentions, rather someone who is fairly new to the game (or our variation of it) and is just aggressively naive.

So to answer your question, I'd only vote her to avoid a no lynch at deadline but would vastly prefer a Cedrick lynch at this point. I'd also happily compromise on a riggs lynch, you've gone and shone a spotlight on that slot that I was hoping would stay in the shadows and hang itself but oh well.

Texas is fairly new, but probably still in the higher experienced half of this game. Granted our home site is a little different but not overly so other than 48h days. Don't know if that makes a difference. I am playing how I am for ~reasons~ but like I haven't tried to hard meta read lrxa really on this site because I was trying to decide how to word it. I think he just is more sensical as town than he is here? Like, when reading his walls did you find a lot of b.s.; id be lying if I said I didn't get bored and skim them.

[Eddie Cane]

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

I didn’t find your mini case that convincing.

ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere

did I hit scum or something?

It was a post that happened an hour or so ago, and pointed out that you naked voted me after I voted you, thus pointing out the OMGUS-factor.

But why do you keep saying omgus? You keep saying it like it means something. Omgus isn’t scummy nor does it only come from scum. I feel you are hiding behind a buzz word. I don’t find Lexa voting you strange. If anything I find your aggression fake and scummy.

Yes?

Lol no it isn’t. (This is about omgus being scummy)

VOTE: mumbles

mumbles push looks bad to me and omgus isn’t scummy. Mumbles did something mildly suspicious and got voted for it and it looks like he tried to put a townie spin on it. He should have known a reasonless vote hop on somebody was going to generate that kind of reaction. Lexa’s Reaction imo is normal

you said why he's bad. there's nothing scummy here. Don't twist the situation.

[Eddie Cane]

actually, I lied. there is something scummy there. his name is Cedrick.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't know who you've been playing with, but this isn't one of the garbage games in the normal queue where you get to passively lynch bad town. I already cased why this is Town mumble, the fact you didn't reply to that and just called me a partner is not!good

[Eddie Cane]

Mumble info for those who don't know him

I've played with Mumble twice. Once me S v him T; I, to quote Transcend, dominated him. Second, I subbed due to other reasons (lol hi Havo you were one of the other reasons xd), he S v me T. I don't know if this is a rule for his meta, but I do know he lurked the FUCK out of that scum game and not as much as the town game. He wasn't a beacon of activity, but he posted what I'd call "sparsely" as town and essentially prodged as scum. And, as town, I remember fighitng him as scum was the most annoying shit ever because kinda like Fitz he kept throwing completely garbage arguments and acting like he'd made some god catch off a false positive. The thing is, he got EXTREMELY emotional and angry, and it was believable. I firmly believe off of a p e r s o n a l i t y a n a l y s i s that activity and emotion will sort Mumble accurately later on, so he's off the table for now for me. This is also because I townread him so far; the comments about him I've seen ITG are best demonstrated by Zito's "a bunch of snark". IIRC, and havo or mumble (lol) can correct me if I'm remembering wrong, he did not have that same type of snark as scum at /all/. I think his dickishness and Lexa interactions are pretty likely town. At the very least, everyone voting him can fuck right off for now unless you explain why he's scum and not bad.

so ? ^

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?t=73313&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Derrick can reply to, but rb, you're a tone reader. That's mumble as scum. it's . .. kind of black and white?

[Eddie Cane]

haha I'm an English minor when I have computer access that won't seem like anything

I will say that he does post some weird things and has some odd processes, but my issue is he nearly always has conclusions I agree with. His two strongest scumreads are myself and a townread. He also has you relatively low (and I don't love such a strong read on alex and awoo though the latter makes sense if you believe im scum). He's one of those town leader of people, like nacho (obviously not the same tier); his town game is solid conclusions and trying to bring about cohesion, other than a couple people he bashes heads with consistently hes sheepable.

in wrt his contention this game, if he's town he's not going to be voting mumble for much longer. his case thing was better than Derrick but still not great. I really don't see myself unvoting that slot though as far as d1 reads go this is solid

[Eddie Cane]

i don't agree on cedrick read

rb when you get some time I'd like to know why you think Cedrick is town.

I just asked this ><

[Eddie Cane]

Mumble info for those who don't know him

I've played with Mumble twice. Once me S v him T; I, to quote Transcend, dominated him. Second, I subbed due to other reasons (lol hi Havo you were one of the other reasons xd), he S v me T. I don't know if this is a rule for his meta, but I do know he lurked the FUCK out of that scum game and not as much as the town game. He wasn't a beacon of activity, but he posted what I'd call "sparsely" as town and essentially prodged as scum. And, as town, I remember fighitng him as scum was the most annoying shit ever because kinda like Fitz he kept throwing completely garbage arguments and acting like he'd made some god catch off a false positive. The thing is, he got EXTREMELY emotional and angry, and it was believable. I firmly believe off of a p e r s o n a l i t y a n a l y s i s that activity and emotion will sort Mumble accurately later on, so he's off the table for now for me. This is also because I townread him so far; the comments about him I've seen ITG are best demonstrated by Zito's "a bunch of snark". IIRC, and havo or mumble (lol) can correct me if I'm remembering wrong, he did not have that same type of snark as scum at /all/. I think his dickishness and Lexa interactions are pretty likely town. At the very least, everyone voting him can fuck right off for now unless you explain why he's scum and not bad.

so ? ^

so what? your post means nothing to me. I am not really a fan of meta personally and I certainly can't trust meta reads of people who I think could be scum

which is why I just linked his scum game. go read it yourself. and... not being a fan of meta is fine for experienced players. meta is an amazing tool for lots of people though, particularly newer ones. mumble should be obviously lynchbait, regardless of his alignment. I don't like you being so trigger happy about that. it would be more understandable if you yourself were a beginner but you wont tell me who your alt is so I'm acting under the assumption that you're smart enough to know this is a dumb push

[Eddie Cane]

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Yeah see I agree with this too much

Lexa is not scummy too me.

Cedrick just laid down 2 extremely town posts.

Mumbles is the only one scummy to me but that’s usually how I read him.

VOTE: mumbles

do you not agree his play here is vastly different from his scum game?

[Eddie Cane]

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

this post is true. but, I don't get how town lexa makes fitz scum past the minimal voted for scum level, they have a lot of partner equity.

[Eddie Cane]

i disagree it's a dumb push and clearly others agree he is probably scum since 4 people are voting him. For me to use meta properly, i'd need multiple scum games. I'd also need to read his town games. it's day one, it isn't that pressing. If I'm wrong i'll deal with that but I see no reason to move off a viable wagon especially when the only competing wagon is somebody I town read.

3 other people, 1 of which hasn't posted at all and two of which I have outgoing prods to. that's not a great wagon. lexa is an awesome wagon, and nothing stops you from starting a new one at this stage either...

havo what's town about this post?

[Eddie Cane]

I mean I guess they can be scum together, but I still town read lex and fitz's actions look more like scum trying to push a mislynch instead of trying to distance/bus

schools done, im about to take my grandmother to chemo ans then go to work. when I have computer access tn I'll make a post about this, remind me if I forget pls

[Eddie Cane]

lexa is an awesome wagon

disagree

but what makes none of the other 10 people viable wagons? it's day 1, the point is to fling shit around until you get stuff you're confident in. If you are confident in mumble (I'm not confident enough in town him to flat out shut that down), fine, if he reveals as ic who's scum?

[Eddie Cane]

man papa, i really hope you are scum.

It's tough being a useless piece of shit but I get by.

.
Kappa

[Eddie Cane]

hi

[Eddie Cane]

opening this site during my workout was a good choice, my anger at those claims might let me up my weight

[Eddie Cane]

mod - do you have all the bandaids?

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

doesn't post for ages and comes back unvoting 5 minutes after a massive wall and moving on to other things.

“for ages?” What does any of this post have to do with anything? I posted earlier that day and several times afterwards. And a few times Sunday. Are my post time patterns suspect to you?

That was before I ISOd you. Hence change in that read.

So what was it that made you strongly scumread me prior to ISOing me?

Poe...you weren't among the people I was considering town. I still needed to give you a closer look. So Lexa having you as a scum read was not something I was opposed to at that time pending said closer look.

who was town before? because i am having trouble getting solid townreads atm. strange place to be at.

If I recall correctly…at this point in the game I was leaning town (before any closer inspection) on NSG, rb, Alexcellent, and Awoo.

At this point in the game here’s where I’m at:

NSG, rb, Zito, Mumble are town leans.
Eddie, Alexcellent, Awoo are weaker townleans
Luca and Havo are nulls
Cedrick and GNR are suspect
Lexa is suspect enough to vote.

I’ll give all the players closer once overs as time permits…from suspect to not.

... did you? when I caught up, it felt like you hadn't posted in ages. I haven't and don't normally look at time stamps while catching up though unless it seems odd to me, I don't actually know how fast paced the earlier game was. In hindsight, I see viewtopic.php?p=9953845#p9953845 which is probably what you are referring to so that helps. I still don't love how you happened to unvote 5 minutes after the post, that isn't enough time to read the post which means if you're town you just unvoted because lol!words, and them being so close together could make it rehearsed if you asked for an excuse to unvote. Not as bad as I thought granted.

Also, your reads seem to be almost identical to mine from my last list, actually rereading it I think they are identical - lemme check.

{rb, zitmaster9000, NSG, Mumble}
{Luca, Havo, Alex, Awoo}
{Cedrick}
{GNR, Fitz}
{Lexa}

Uh... Other than yourself, they're virtually identical. Don't think I've seen that before, not sure what to make of it but it probably means something #usefulwords

lexa is an awesome wagon

disagree

but what makes none of the other 10 people viable wagons? it's day 1, the point is to fling shit around until you get stuff you're confident in. If you are confident in mumble (I'm not confident enough in town him to flat out shut that down), fine, if he reveals as ic who's scum?

yes that is certainly one way to play, I have kind of been waiting to see what mumbles was going to do. Mumbles kind of got aggressive when lexa voted him calling it omgus and such, but now when mumbles has multiple votes on him i don't see the same level of aggression. At least if he would have come back and replicated that, I could buy that maybe it is his playstyle. I also feel we are far enough in the day that I have developed some decent reads that don't really require me to vote them.

i like the fact that we have 2 competing wagons also so no matter who gets lynched, I think we gain some good info.

did we gain some good info?

I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional

neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.

Yeah see I agree with this too much

Lexa is not scummy too me.

Cedrick just laid down 2 extremely town posts.

Mumbles is the only one scummy to me but that’s usually how I read him.

VOTE: mumbles

do you not agree his play here is vastly different from his scum game?

I think VASTLY is a stretch. But I see your point.

I find it interesting you’re defending him so hard here. I town read that because I see no scum motivation for it this early.

ESP with Mumbles.

I’m not buying the Lexa wagon tho. Just not there.

so what do you think now?

Ok so we agree to disagree.

thats all you have to say to fitz's stuff?

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How is lobbying for a player to consider the benefits of having a long day while actively efforting to end the day for that same player not a contradiction?

Is this seriously your read on a day 1 vote?

a page 1 read on a page 1 vote, yes...?

I have the benefit of knowing all the scum are currently voting someone, and if I believe in my town leans on Awoo and Zito then that means they are all sitting on the two big wagons. Lexa v Mumble certainly seems like TVS given the competitive wagons that are at a bit of a standoff, although obviously this situation can be manipulated by a competent scum team to make a TVT look like a TVS.

Out of the players sitting on the big wagons, the scummiest/least townie are probably GNR, Cane (owing mainly to Q) and Havo. RB seems town to me. Lexa seems more townie than Mumble. NSG and Fitz I'm both torn on. NSG seemed townie at the start, but I'm suspicious how how her stance hasn't changed at all on Lexa. She seems too content on that wagon. Fitz' ISO'ing and reasoning for voting Lexa again seems weak, but his overall game seems similar to how he played as Town in our previous game together. I do loathe to put too much stock in meta, however.

I'm probably gonna vote Mumble but I need to ISO a bit more first.

this is a weird ass angle. i take it at this point you're the only one not voting... and that's useful information how? knowing scum placed votes means quite literally nothing. and, using your town conclusion on awoo and zito you deduce scum are all on the 2 big wagons... which, again, means absolutely nothing?_? i don't get it, please explain the relevance because your post is a glorified reads list. hell, you said the wagons are TvS (probable because Lexa is probably S) and then used absolutely no interaction reason (what actually creates the situations where TvS is valid) and instead used bad wagonomics. granted this is under a blanked, but the speed a wagon grows is not relevant just like this isn't. the wagons being at a standoff doesn't mean TvS, if anything it implies SvS or TvT with scum on both sides of it? Not that it does imply that, it implies nothing because its a bad train of thought unless you explain why I'm wrong / misunderstanding.

oh boy, the fun posts

[Eddie Cane]

mod - do you have all the bandaids?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate?

are you an imposter or are you the one true meat boy with all of the bandaids across all meat boy enterprises?

I think I got like 70-something bandaids in one of my old saves, but that was on an old computer so I don't have it anymore.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm Town Doctor, so you all can fuck the fuck off and vote Lexa.

Eddie is town.

WHY. This is at you a little bit but I guess based on our last game when I spent all of d1 shouting down an obvious beginner mislynch and getting ignored you wouldn't have much confidence in me being able to derail a trash wagon. This is more at the rest of these idiots for making you claim when I cited many good reasons for you to be town REGARDLESS of Lexa. FTR, if you are a BG or a rolestopper (or something else of the variety) that's a CC and you should claim. I shouldn't need to say this, but in this game it feels important. Yes, I'm calling you shit.

Odd night watcher fuck off and vote the fake claim

And as for you... want to tell me what possible reason you had for claiming that there?

[Eddie Cane]

hmm

VOTE: northsidegal

nope

[Eddie Cane]

what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?

[Eddie Cane]

mumble's claim makes some sense i guess? based on the analysis of hyperactive inexperienced player who thinks the walls are closing in (he /was/ l-2 or something to his credit iirc), i see that coming from town him more than scum. like i said, bad claim but not awful. as for texas... don't think i've ever seen him claim like that as scum nor town in like 15 games. i'm lost.

[Eddie Cane]

YOUR NAME IS RED

[Eddie Cane]

what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?

I think I'd take that as a good sign that someone is reading the game the same way you are so they're probably town you can work with.

Normally I consider agreement a good thing, but completely identical feels strange. I guess it's still a good sign?

[Eddie Cane]

I was stating my thought process. It's likely all the scum are on the two big wagons - how is that not useful information?

It's useful in the sense that the pool of scum is smaller... and it's smaller because you townread the two people not voting the major wagons and supposedly yourself is town. How is it useful information in any other way than that?

Glorified reads list? How is it 'glorified' exactly? It was just a rough summation of my thoughts on the current situation.

Glorified, as in you made some 2.5 paragraph argument about how scum was on the two big wagons, when in reality you were basically saying your reads list was {Awoo / Zito > Lexa / Fitz / NSG > GNR / Me / Havo > Mumble}. You went on a useless tangent about wagonomics to profess that conclusion.

The two competitive wagon at a standoff implies SvT to me because a) as we've established all the scum are likely to be on the wagons and b) neither is giving much ground - both sides have staunch support. The likelihood of this being scum trying to prevent a mislynch seems decent. As I mentioned, it could be scum manipulating the situation so it appears that way, when in reality it is TvT, hence why I'm not putting too much stock in this on D1.

... once again, saying scum are on both wagons and both sides have support implies TvT more than anything else. you are arguing scum are supporting both wagons... which is by far more likely to be town. of course, it very likely is TvS because Lexa is very likely scum, but false positives are not a good precedent.

[Eddie Cane]

I want to be clear I'm not FoSing you, you're probably a town lean right now. Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

1. It's useful for analytical reasons, especially later in the game when Mumble/Lexa flip. Although I'm becoming less sure on my Zito read - he's become a lot more passive after a promising opening.

I don't really get the analytical reasons, but I also don't really do VCA (I do wagon analysis a fair bit but that's a different category IMO) so I'll drop that point I guess if you have no better explanation.

2. Well I certainly didn't intend for it to be glorified. If I wanted to make a reads list then I would have made a reads list. On this occasion I wanted to share exactly what was in my mind at that given time.

Well, looking back I'd hope you can see how it is interpretable as a reads list. I still don't quite get the point you're getting at, because your entire post falls apart if Awoo or Zito are scum (or even slide out of townread status). Feels weak :shrug: not in a scummy way.

3. I'm not arguing scum are supporting both wagons. It could easily be scum trying to save a partner as I already said. It wouldn't even surprise me if all three scum are on the same wagon - I've seen this happen a good few times in the past even on D1

The main reason I'm bothering to reply, oh, this explains a fair bit. I thought you were implying that which was pretty nonsensical to me. Makes sense then.

Both sides have support, but that doesn't necessarily mean all the support is from scum, of course. I'm not sure why you're making that assumption.

...however, I thought that this was what you were getting at. "neither is giving much ground - both sides have staunch support" town is obviously less collected than scum, so you yourself are indirectly arguing that scum are supporting both sides. it's unlikely town is all on one side and scum is on the other, because town all "staunchly" supporting one wagon and that wagon happening to be on scum is relatively unlikely. If anything, makes bussing more likely.

[Eddie Cane]

going to sleep, night. congrats on becoming an overlord zitman.

[Eddie Cane]

this is me explicitly not unvoting lexa

[Eddie Cane]

what do you make of fitz having a literal clone of my reads list?

Eddie...what does the fact our reads are similar matter?

Are you so impressed with yourself that you actually think I would sheep your reads to make you suspect me less?

If so....thanks for a good laugh. Seriously...I had a good laugh and I thank you for it.

If not...then what?

As for my reads...I think they were pretty evident before I made that reads list. I had explicitly stated Lexa and GNR were suspect to me. In my Lexa ISO and its summary I mention a connection to Cedrick. So those three as suspects is par for my content.

I had stated that my reads were similar to Lexa's which infers my general feeling towards others I had yet to mention.
I subsequently ISO'd Mumble and decided he was a town lean for me which took him out of my suspect pool.
And Papa Zito has moved up the last few days from null to town as his content has improved.

Not sure there are any reads of mine that have changed to "clone" yours. lol

dude

my reads was the EXACT same as yours, not "similar". I don't know why it took you 10 lines to reply to that with a falsehood, but my reads list is virtually identical to yours. that's not strange to you?

[Eddie Cane]

just kill him tonight instead dude

[Eddie Cane]

I think it's fair to say Mumble and Lexa aren't both scum - otherwise that would be some fine play acting.

Mumble's claim certainly felt more believable than Lexa's; His confident tone when replying to Lexa's claim, and his assuredness he wouldn't be counter-claimed. Also the way he gave the reads after didn't feel like scum merely playing for time before being lynched, although why he's waited until now to start openly sorting players I don't know.

Lexa's immediately felt like BS with apparent bravado of her claim, which doesn't even directly affect Mumble's claim. Her reasoning in 536 that she believes Mumble's role should also have a modifier seems a rash assumption on her part, yet strangely genuine. I'm in agreement with Cedrick that both are best left alone for the time being.

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs

He's done very little, to the point it feels like he's just trying to coast through the day unnoticed. I don't like the appeasement of 30, nor do I like the vagueness of his Mumble vote or his shading of certain players in 257. In 328 He says he's '

going through things now

', yet all he subsequently manages is a passive question at Zito as to why he suspects Cedrick over others. Cedrick was also one of the ones Riggs shaded earlier, so presumably he should have been able to relate somewhat to Zito's scumread on Cedrick.

I almost sheeped this to the point I actually had the vote tags typed in.

my reads was the EXACT same as yours, not "similar". I don't know why it took you 10 lines to reply to that with a falsehood, but my reads list is virtually identical to yours. that's not strange to you?

Are they exact? I haven't compared. I know they are close.

So fypov it's either...
1) a coincidence or
2) I did it (lol) on purpose (lol)

The answer is 1 btw.
Strange? A little but not given the lineup imo. Others might also have similar/exact reads with you or someone else. I'm sure it happens.

I don't believe it was a calculated decision to copy my reads. Look, I'll compare it for you one more time:

NSG, rb, Zito, Mumble are town leans.
Eddie, Alexcellent, Awoo are weaker townleans
Luca and Havo are nulls
Cedrick and GNR are suspect
Lexa is suspect enough to vote.

yours is above, mine is below. i took out you for the purposes of comparing.

{rb, zitmaster9000, NSG, Mumble}
{Luca, Havo, Alex, Awoo}
{Cedrick}
{GNR}
{Lexa}

Changing the format of yours to be uniform with mine,

{rb, zito, nsg, mumble}
{alex, awoo}
{havo, luca}
{cedrick, gnr}
{lexa}

They. are. the. same. Same 4 townreads, same 4 null/townlean, same 2 scum leans, same scumread. As Zito said, yes, there are some townie points to be earned there for "thought cohesion", but at the same time I think it's a huge coincidence they'd be the exact same. I am sorry for fixating on this, but I'm trying to wrap my head around it, because my brain is arguing whether it is scum or town. If you're scum with Lexa, a good way of buddying could be to sheep my reads list, but that's a problem to deal with if Lexa reds so we can ignore it for now. If you are scum and not with Lexa, still functions a bit as buddying but tbh that's insignificant. I find it much more likely scum!you didn't consciously copy my reads, but knew I'd be a strong presence up until I'm night killed and ended up trying to read the game in a light like mine and/or something of the like. Then, of course, if you are town you just happened to have the same reads as me which means you're perceiving the game in the same light.

If that is true, what are your current thoughts as of this post wrt Lexa? How confident you are in your push, how confident you are in their flip.

Please be completely honest and don't project.

It’s completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.

It is? Help me out here. Use small words, I'm an idiot.

Yes it is.

it is completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.

Is that small enough?

But seriously, ??? What is "completely reasonable" about that to think. They're both roles that punish killing the obvious kill... they definitely can and have been in the same game together and in a game with no cop I find it likely we have good protection (a Doc as opposed to a BG) and a Watcher is a reasonably likely investigative and a risky fake claim if you're scum because the investigative options are already limited. Actually, I think I just convinced myself to unvote Lexa for now, but regardless there's no compatibility issue and this isn't a 1v1? I think saying they can't be in a game together argues that Lexa "cc'd" validly if anything... lol. Mumble is still town for this regardless seeing as he's uncc'd protective and was already townie as fuck to begin with, Lexa may or may not be town and it isn't because of some mutual exclusivity bullshit.

I’m not arguing with you anymore. I town read Lexa so I trust her over mumbles but that doesn’t mean mumbles isn’t telling the truth and I’m wrong on Lexa. I can’t make an unbiased decision and neither can you (if you are town)

Smart play is let mafia decide what to do. If both are alive tomorrow we will deal with that also.

Nobody especially you is going to convince me it’s a good idea to lynch a Pr claim. I think mumbles is probably lying and I won’t even agree to that lynch.

So you go do you. I’ll do me and we’ll see what is what day 2 and beyond.

The mindset of not lynching a PR claim is /fine/, there was a player named TwoFace who as a hard rule wouldn't lynch a PR claim D1 no matter how sketch. However, the rest of this doesn't really follow, because you're setting Mumble and Lexa up to be a TvS when again, that doesn't exist here for any reason I can think of? It's a T vs a ?, and if it ends up being S that isn't because they are a Watcher and he is a Doctor. I'm repeating myself because I want you to explain your wrong thought process.

fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"

Makes sense if he's still certain Lexa is scum, and Cedrick was on his reads list at the second to bottom.

Well honestly Cedrick I'm not nearly as religious about this idea of not lynching claimed PRs day 1 as you are. MS is littered with examples of games where scum claimed a PR day 1 and got lynched anyway. I don't find that particular argument compelling at all.

this.

fitz you're spending a lot of energy on a slot that you've called scum a couple times now but your vote hasn't moved and that gives me what the experts call "the heebie jeebies"

I already called it. He even said it himself. He rather lynch a Pr claim over me.

If the Lexa wagon dissolves I'd vote you without a concern.

Other than convincing myself above, the wagon also is dying with unvotes and it appears others aren't going to join. So, this is basically where I was it, post mortem.

[Eddie Cane]

I want to be very clear about Lexa though: he is not a beginner. I've said this, but I'm going to repeat it: he has at least 15 games played and is a very smart person.

Pros to lynching Lexa:
- Scum on meta - big one
- Sorts a lot of slots in the game pretty well; tons of useful interactions. in layman's terms, info lynch
- Shuts down that type of claim on a policy level which is an awesome thing
- Said this already, but preeetty solid scum on meta
- The game gets a lot harder for me if I operate under town!Lexa, and when that happens with town!x it's usually because X=scum

Cons:
- If town, we lynch our Watcher
- As I just said above, that's a very risky fake claim to make
- There isn't much scum motivation for "CCing" like that; it clearly doesn't do anything to get a Mumble lynch, and as a smart player Lexa would know that. additionally, his team would likely tell him that's a bad idea unless his team is garbage. all it does is attract attn.
- I lose my best friend itg
- I've never seen Lexa claim like that as scum, but also not as town, and I haven't meta dived to see if I missed a game where it happened


VOTE: GNR

That said, Lexa, if you don't have that powertown Texas going on soon, I'm lynching you. If your wagon comes back, I'm on it because I still think you're scum. "optimal" play is probably to leave you alone, but

[Eddie Cane]

But seriously, ??? What is "completely reasonable"

Because I found myself questioning both are town. If I have that thought then it’s reasonable others would also. Every possible outcome is completely reasonable. Even thinking they are scum together is a reasonable option. We simply don’t have enough to know for sure

. - .

you aren't hearing me

on a CLAIM LEVEL, you said it's reasonable to think the roles don't work together. why is that?

[Eddie Cane]

If that is true, what are your current thoughts as of this post wrt Lexa? How confident you are in your push, how confident you are in their flip.

I am extremely confident Lexa is scum.

I'm not big on D1 histrionics but if you look at games where I strongly believe someone is scum...my play is similar. I.e. aggressive and annoying as fcuk.

Self meta alert!!! Not my scumplay style at all.

Cedrick meanwhile in his unabashed defense of Lexa has resorted personal attacks and dismissiveness. Si he can be Lexa's partner.

I think this is town you, though not strongly. I should do another reads list after this, a fair bit has changed. Regardless of if you're right or not, I strictly don't remember scum!you playing like this and I believe your convictions.

[Eddie Cane]

{Mumble}
{NSG}
{Zitosaurus Rex}
{Awoo, Havo, Luca }
{rb, Alex, Fitz}
{GNR, Cedrick}
{Lexa}

Somewhere like here rn

[Eddie Cane]

Interesting. I have a lot of townreads now.

I'm repeating myself because I want you to explain your wrong thought process.

Just cause you don’t agree with me doesn’t make my thought process wrong.

If I had to choose to lynch one I’d trust my own reads and lynch mumbles but I realize I’m not going to be right all the time. I could be wrong here. Do I want to risk losing a doctor? No

I could also be wrong in Lexa. Same thing though. Do I want to risk losing a watcher? No

Why take unnecessary risks if we don’t have to?

Nobody has a rock solid case for why Lexa or mumbles is scum. Anyone super confident they are right is bullshit.

I’m not Lynching either today. I strongly advise others follow suit. Anyone pushing to lynch either claim, is going to be scum read by me.

:/

[Eddie Cane]

{Mumble}
{NSG}
{Zitosaurus Rex}
{Awoo, Havo, Luca }
{rb, Alex, Fitz}
{GNR, Cedrick}
{Lexa}

Somewhere like here rn

It's funny because GNR has barely posted, Lexa could be town from role, and I townreadn the group above that. And by funny, I mean annoying. If the scum team isn't Ced/GNR/Lexa (lol) this is gonna be a long game.

[Eddie Cane]

is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumread

[Eddie Cane]

actually, here. rank these in order of likelihood please

1) svs
2) the
3/4) each one scum other town

it isn't too late to shove a lexa lynch through, btw.

[Eddie Cane]

is scum!Derrick reliant on scum!lexa? or is it an independent scumread

Cedrick not Derrick. It’s not that hard.

my autocorrect doesn't like critical

[Eddie Cane]

 I’m playing the most intelligent out of everyone.

[Eddie Cane]

Id rather do northsidegal

you're sliding into my scum pile friend I want powertown rb not lurk and vote obv town rb

[Eddie Cane]

you said to me that you playing differently than me (not lynching claims) doesn't make you bad, and now it makes people bad for being alright lynching a claim? backwards asf bro :/

[Eddie Cane]

you are a prime example of why scum almost always claim prs on this site

[Eddie Cane]

you are a prime example of why scum almost always claim prs on this site

Are you advocating we should lynch one of the claimed PRs?

I'm saying I'm not against lynching Lexa, though the claim stuff is enough to make me back off pushing it hard.

[Eddie Cane]

Ok. Tell me what’s wrong with waiting a day and seeing what scum does?

There are at least 1-2 other scum to find.

Nobody can say with any certainty who is lying between the 2 claims. It’s possible neither are or both are.

If I have to vote a claim it’s going to be mumble. That’s more commonly fake claimed role and watcher fits more with no cop. Plus he’s been playing better than mumble. Not to mention most of the Lexa wagon have people I’m not sort of scum reading.

But we don’t have to vote either so I won’t.

I'm not voting lexa currently, I'm fine waiting a day. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but they punish killing each other and both are under suspicion so it's highly unlikely scum will resolve this for us. If they do, it's still not resolved because their alignments aren't centric on each other. What exactly areyou waiting for? It isn't a night of a Watcher result because you are going Mumble over Lrxa regardless

[Eddie Cane]

Ok. Tell me what’s wrong with waiting a day and seeing what scum does?

There are at least 1-2 other scum to find.

Nobody can say with any certainty who is lying between the 2 claims. It’s possible neither are or both are.

If I have to vote a claim it’s going to be mumble. That’s more commonly fake claimed role and watcher fits more with no cop. Plus he’s been playing better than mumble. Not to mention most of the Lexa wagon have people I’m not sort of scum reading.

But we don’t have to vote either so I won’t.

I'm not voting lexa currently, I'm fine waiting a day. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but they punish killing each other and both are under suspicion so it's highly unlikely scum will resolve this for us. If they do, it's still not resolved because their alignments aren't centric on each other. What exactly areyou waiting for? It isn't a night of a Watcher result because you are going Mumble over Lrxa regardless

once again, what are you waiting for? like what do you want to happen that will make you decide whether or not to lynch lexa or mumble tomorrow?

both PR role claims seemed out of blue. Not worth lynching either now, but lexa's seems the most problematic of the claims

UNVOTE

I want to spark some debate, get people stirred up. And I want to see how people interact with the wagon.

Right now we've got:
fitz
Zito
Lexa
numberQ (me)
Awoo
Riggs

on the wagon

oh hey, we are at L-1, unless I missed an unvote.

WE'RE AT L-1, FOLKS

What do you think of the people who jumped on your wagon, Havo?

if havo flips red so is this slot

I want to know why we're not really talking about this. It seems really odd to me. Granted, this does not confirm scum but I think it's something to think of at a later time.

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs

He's done very little, to the point it feels like he's just trying to coast through the day unnoticed. I don't like the appeasement of 30, nor do I like the vagueness of his Mumble vote or his shading of certain players in 257. In 328 He says he's '

going through things now

', yet all he subsequently manages is a passive question at Zito as to why he suspects Cedrick over others. Cedrick was also one of the ones Riggs shaded earlier, so presumably he should have been able to relate somewhat to Zito's scumread on Cedrick.

Regards to 30, it's opening of d1, nothing is really going on there. wagons are fun then
257, i have trouble explaining things
328, I read up, no strong opinions
as for cederick, I was asking why him over mumble who i considered the better canidate for lynching at the time

are you one of those old players who only posts every other day and does so with very little content? (this is me calling this post bad)

I do better with flips. Day 1 is so hard. Town mislynches way more than they do lynch Scum. So right now I’m waiting for others to not enter that fitz really doesn’t look to be playing with towns best interests in mind. His push was bad, him advocating lynching a Pr over me who has essentially claimed not a Pr is suspicious given how much he scum reads me. I’d actually say in his mind he probably has better reasons to think I’m scum then he does for lex yet his vote stays on lex.

What happens if we lynch lex and he flips town? He’s probably still going to come after me. Why not come after me now and resolve the PR stuff tomorrow? Why does Lexa have to go first?

It’s suspicious. It’s not a town mindset

fun fact smartest player: town winrates go down in games where scum is lynched d1. the why is debatable, and clearly you still try and lynch scum d1, but it isn't something huge to worry about. granted, it is fair to be worried about mislynching a powerful PR like watcher d1 unless they're a completely confident sr which is v rare d1.

I think Cedrick is scum. I just cannot see town hard defending someone on D1 and hard as he has...even before Lexa's fakeclaim.

In that case why are you townreading Cane when he's been doing the same for Mumble?

this is valid, because i definitely defended mumble much harder than derrick did lexa; i know the answer fitz should have here, but let's see if he gives it.

I'm becoming skeptical as to Awoo's position in this game. He seems to have inexplicably downed tools since Cane replaced into this game. I can understand wanting this slot lynched, but he hasn't given any read on Cane independant from Q, and while I agree with some of his Q case it isn't strong enough for a lockscum read.

Especially now, given what's just occurred, we're at a point where a decent Cane push could pick up momentum, as there is no clear alternative to the PR claims.

i read the awoo case as pretty townie and also pretty obviously confbiased. if she's going to continue to be useless and not attempt to sort other slots, though, she'll continue to slide for me.




-

ya'll are boring, you really do not see why i entered the way i did or, if you do, you didn't respect it.

[Eddie Cane]

once again, what are you waiting for? like what do you want to happen that will make you decide whether or not to lynch lexa or mumble tomorrow?

More information.

First - I disagree scum is going to leave both alive. It’s possible they do especially if one is actually scum but the entire point of fake claiming is self preservation and trying to get a cc.

Second - wagon analysis would give me more things to consider. Getting people to focus elsewhere and scum hunt some more will probably be more difficult for scum.

fair enough. if both are town, yea, scum will probably kill one (leaving doc and watcher alive and not killing either is incredibly risky and dumb; barring strongman and ninja, that's 2 more people that could fuck them over with a kill attempt). my issue is if my alexa read is correct (or technically if my mumbs is wrong) and it is TvS, there's very minimal reason to kill either; slight risk, big reward in not.

do you actively intend on sorting the two of them tomorrow, or is it just a the future holds the answers type thing and you won't know until you know

[Eddie Cane]

fun fact smartest player: town winrates go down in games where scum is lynched d1

1. Link?

2. Part of lynching scum day 1 is actually finding them. Half the people think mumble is scum. Half think Lexa. If we lynch wrong you’ve hurt town’s chances to win

I’m willing to bet a Vt mislynch day 1 probably doesn’t hurt towns chances to win and wagon analysis could actually help it plus it’s a low risk lynch.

This is a risk/reward situation and I don’t feel comfortable gambling on a Pr

1. don't know, heard the statistic first in peng maf. rb was there, iirc he's the one who brought it up and it went uncontested. it matches up me clicking through old normals to a degree too.

2 and 3: yes, i'll concede that to you. i'm not voting either already, but i feel a bit better about it.

[Eddie Cane]

you really do not see why i entered the way i did

Looks like you wanted to try and town up your slot. People think scum aren’t going to be aggressive which is laughable

that is laughable, i'm aggressive as both alignments. but no, that's not it. :/ i mean obviously i wanted to town my slot up in the sense that i don't want to be mislynched (it's only happened once in maybe 20 games and it took 3 scum and 1 ... i'm not gonna vent about it) but that isn't what i'm talking about.

[Eddie Cane]

btw, texas has been online on discord a ton today and yesterday but no posts here. :shrug:

[Eddie Cane]

lexa

[Eddie Cane]

btw, texas has been online on discord a ton today and yesterday but no posts here. :shrug:

You realize that doesn’t mean anything right?

activity means nothing (usually)

activity disparity can definitely mean stuff

if he's on on discord that means he's actively on his phone or his computer, and he is choosing to not post for a couple days even a quick 30 second thought. normally i wouldn't even read too much into this, but i've prodded texas on quite a bit and he needs to take a new stance due to a dissipating mumble wagon. the longer he stalls, the worse. you don't seem to understand that this is a strong town player we are talking about who is capable of powertowning and running the game when town, and is relatively incapable as scum. what do you see from their play here, strong or incapable?

i'm not reading too much into it and this is a vast overanalysis, but if the smartest player in the game doesn't know a simple concept then maybe it isn't as simple as i thought.

[Eddie Cane]

crashed my car so add that to the list of shit I have to do this weekend, vla til mon

[Eddie Cane]

Hey everyone, please stop insulting and discrediting the smartest player in the game.

[Eddie Cane]

my luck, i end up playing with a person i have blacklisted. fuckin robb. i am sorely tempted to policy tunnel your slot jsyk.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: cedrick

if GNR has done nothing else alignment indicative, being unable to throw out some reads at a quick question nor following it up within a few hours is not a good look.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie i'm not power towning for 14 day cycles lol

you haven't done a single day's worth of normal town!texas' posting in the past week combined.

[Eddie Cane]

@luca 100%

not good

[Eddie Cane]

Now fitz is going to fake a v/la.

.-.

[Eddie Cane]

Here's where I'm at.

1.

Alexcellent

has a grand total of 10 posts this game and 0 engagement. He's also currently not voting anyone. I don't know how we're supposed to get a read on a slot that isn't playing.
2. People have praised

Awoo

's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.
3.

Cedrick

remains my top scumspect but what gives me pause isn't the things he's saying but how he's saying them. He's (1) remaining engaged with the game despite fitz's tunnel when it'd be far easier to mellow out and (2) he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.
4. I remain completely underwhelmed by

Riggs

who was my pocket scumspect from early on but like Alexcellent I don't have very much to determine if this is a scumslot or just someone who doesn't really want to play the game. The main difference between the two is that Alex at least shows some depth in his few posts while Riggs is a giant vortex of suck.
5. I used

Havo

to kill RVS early with his goofy declarative statement and after a flurry of posts defending himself he's done basically nothing. It makes me extremely wary because this looks like classic scum UTR behavior; no need to make waves while the town is screaming at each other over Lexa/Cedrick.
6. Speaking of,

Lexa

's gonzo claim and subsequent awful explanation for it combined with a lot of bad posting and recent UTR behavior make me think the others are right about this slot and I'm sorely tempted to move here, if nothing else than to remove a player I want nowhere near lylo and restore some sanity to the game.
7.

Mumble

and

rb

both occupy similar spots in my head where they "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel" townish but by god they aren't trying very hard are they and I have this little voice in the back of my head (among the others) whispering to me that they're doing it on purpose to avoid detection.

In other words I really honestly and truly don't know where to go here because if I could firebomb most of the playerlist rn I would happily do so

i feel unappreciated

[Eddie Cane]

he seems utterly convicted about what he's saying even if the majority of it is batshit insane.

Literally nothing I’ve said is batshit insane.

I’m playing smart. Letting mafia resolve the PR claims is smart.

you pushing so hard into letting mafia resolve the claims will make them less likely to resolve the claims. unless, they are tvt, which again is not likely because lexa is probably just scum.

[Eddie Cane]

I’d really appreciate it if people not refer to me as insane or crazy. Joking about mental health issues isn’t appreciated. Thank you

get thicker skin holy shit nobody has personally attacked you at all

[Eddie Cane]

Yes you did.

Disagreeing with you isn’t defending Lexa

Yes you have.

I disagree and I explained why.

You and mumbles used bad reasoning. If you used it on somebody else I’d still call it out.

When a player uses non AI things and imply they are AI, I’m calling it out. Just because it happened to be on Lexa doesn’t really mean I’m defending her.

Idk why you even have an obsession with defending people to begin with. Other people are defending others yet you ignore that. You are basically defending mumble and I don’t even know why.

Defending somebody isn’t scummy. You are too experienced to say it is.

this is 99% robb omg

[Eddie Cane]

yet more people town read mumble. Why?

Cause he's town?

Scum slip?

lol

[Eddie Cane]

every time alex posts it's good to meh stuff, nothing bad. i wish it was more frequent but slot is probs town.

[Eddie Cane]

It's sort of meta right. I mean you were investigating another player's games to check for consistency with this game yeah?

Checking if someone could be lying is not meta. It’s fact checking by researching their past metagames and scum hunting based on the results of their past metagames

ftfy

(not an ai post, just poking fun)

[Eddie Cane]

That’s fine. If it’s me or a Pr I’ll take the hit

jesus christ i'm not sure if this is amazing super intelligent lord's gift to the world town or scum

[Eddie Cane]

i feel unappreciated

I'm not unhappy with you so you don't go on The List.

you're unhappy with a lot of people

[Eddie Cane]

2. People have praised Awoo's early case on Q and I thought it was terrible. I just think a lot of what he points out isn't really alignment relevant or interesting and I'm struggling to figure out how to sort him.

they are terrible cases, but they're more likely to come from town imo. it feels genuine. genuinely stupid, but genuine.

[Eddie Cane]

would you be unhappy with me if i switch back to riggs

if so, skip the next post

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: riggs

i need actual content from riggs or there was no point voting there at all

[Eddie Cane]

i drove to ajax to watch it last night and the theater was closed due to a fire and i hit a fire hydrant on the way back home

it was v bad, would not recommend

[Eddie Cane]

i guess my vla was useless

[Eddie Cane]

I have to read the last few pages, but I see he's l-1. lemme catch up

[Eddie Cane]

So Awoo why did you stop tunneling eddie cane?

See i actually liked awoo as town but now i'm beginning to doubt

But I'm pretty sure papa zito and alexcellent are town so i can live with this tradeoff

... not tunnelling me makes you doubt he's town?

[Eddie Cane]

walladalladingdong

Progress. His claim timing did make sense though imo, if you look at the posts before that it was people surrounding around him with pitchforks. At that point, I would've predicted he'd get l-1d and I'd need to start spamming the game and personally addressing people until they unvoted or someone lolhammered and made me cry. There were a few people in the pages before who said they were willing to vote him but didn't at the time. It is

not

scummy to claim then, if you're town you're confbiased out your ass and you need to resolve that ASAP. Even if Mumble is scum, it isn't because of that claim timing.

[Eddie Cane]

...however,

why are you so obsessed with mumble tho

I will say that that post is alright, and it's a case that doesn't look scummy to me. The problem is, I was asking you to powertown as in post thoughts about the game and collate reads with me and help solve, not post another wall specifically addressing the one post you're tunnelling. I appreciate the effort, but I want posting about the other 11 players, not just Mumble. I don't think that's needy.

[Eddie Cane]

p sure eddie is town btw, last time i saw him like this he was aggressively tunnelling a slot b/c he was (we all were) having a bitch of a time sorting it

which was this?

[Eddie Cane]

why are you so obsessed with mumble tho

i thought maybe there was a chance i was conf biasing myself into seeing him as scum, turns out not so much

pbpa casing does not help remove confbias, it does the exact opposite; you ascribe motivations that aren't there. tsk tsk.

[Eddie Cane]

this case against cedrick is ass

what case?

[Eddie Cane]

this case against cedrick is ass

Tbh there is no case for me. I’m sure I’ve made people mad cause I question their intelligence and others think I’m somebody else and taking that out on me.

At least that’s how I see it.

I disagree that fitz and I are both town.

you can keep denying it if you want but you're obviously robb, lol. i'm shocked i didn't see it before havo or whoever pointed it out. it's okay, we don't need a repeat of last game, you haven't tried to policy lynch me d1 for making a joke for starters so that's a good thing

[Eddie Cane]

nsg, how's catching up going? there wasn't that much to read mate

[Eddie Cane]

p sure eddie is town btw, last time i saw him like this he was aggressively tunnelling a slot b/c he was (we all were) having a bitch of a time sorting it

which was this?

yeti game in march or april or w/e though you were even more aggro then lol

. wasn't i scum in that? popcorn mafia?

[Eddie Cane]

Should I vote Riggs, Eddie? Cuz you and Lexa are both on the wagon...

i've thought about flipping to cedrick, because GNR is more blanket useless than scummy useless. the reads list thing makes it the scummy side though, especially since he was asked a question and /still/ isn't back. your call, i think it could go either way but red is more likely.

[Eddie Cane]

no not popcorn i wasnt in that one

you/me/yeti all ended up being town

OH !

the game with a lot of stupid people

i remember that, awful times.

[Eddie Cane]

soo lexa

give me a rundown of each player rn, your thoughts and shtuff. 2-5 lines each.

[Eddie Cane]

fuckin yeti

[Eddie Cane]

Yea I reallllly don't love how Ced and Lexa joined it, and how quickly. I'm not moving my vote on principal though.

[Eddie Cane]

you haven't posted much, are you still sure on scum lexa? other ~reads~? a rundown from you on my desk by 5 would be good too if you can.

[Eddie Cane]

i logged on twice today, once earlier and once now. quit your whining -_-

[Eddie Cane]

Yea I reallllly don't love how Ced and Lexa joined it, and how quickly. I'm not moving my vote on principal though.

Red flags with this post.

VOTE: Cedrick

[Eddie Cane]

Yea I reallllly don't love how Ced and Lexa joined it, and how quickly. I'm not moving my vote on principal though.

Red flags with this post.

VOTE: Cedrick

Red flags with this post.

[Eddie Cane]

Yea I reallllly don't love how Ced and Lexa joined it, and how quickly. I'm not moving my vote on principal though.

Red flags with this post.

VOTE: Cedrick

if you were suspicious of the Lexa vote and my vote, I don’t see why you would stay on it because of “principle “

He was asked a basic question. The point of a timely reaction is that you don't have time to mull over what's best going forward for your team nor have time to discuss with your team, nor how to sort your partners. That's why a reply within a few minutes was important. If he came back with a wall in an hour, fine, less good but alright. Disappearing completely is obnoxious at best and scum at worst. And, still no answer to this date, and I reallllly don't like unvoting people for failing to resolve something when my vote is more pressure than scumread.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, from your POV 2 of your scumreads (me + havo) were voting it, and iirc the other 2 expressed explicit interest (fitz + zito) (though I would need to fact check this). l-1ing that wagon heebyjeebifies me.

[Eddie Cane]

Your response doesn’t really make sense in response to my post. If you were suspicious of our votes, that would make you think he’s probably town. Keeping your vote on somebody that you think is probably town is suspicious. Not to mention there is no day talk so he couldn’t discuss with his team. I’m not even going to believe you didn’t know that so no fake town slip from you.

You have reaffirmed my scum read of you. That’s probably why I’m getting pressure despite not doing a single scummy thing. I’m right on at least 2 scum.

Yea I reallllly don't love how Ced and Lexa joined it, and how quickly.

In response to:

I’m still here. I’m hesitant because Lexa is on it.

Suspicious of your votes was points for town Cedrick... the only one's, really. I am waiting for him to come back with posts, unvoting someone who you voted due to outgoing unanswered stuff is bad play. That's completely against the purpose of voting them in the first place. And, if there's no day talk, that means he can't communicate with his teammates and know where his reads should be at so I don't think that proves the point you think it does? Also, I really don't see how you can justify the pressure you're getting as me being scum, the vast majority of the pressure is from Zito and Fitz? I have barely addressed you because I dislike you as a person and a player.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, from your POV 2 of your scumreads (me + havo) were voting it, and iirc the other 2 expressed explicit interest (fitz + zito) (though I would need to fact check this). l-1ing that wagon heebyjeebifies me.

If this was true why didn’t you unvote?

Gnr is in my lynch pool and has been. I’ve said that at least twice.

My preferred lynches are NEVER going to happen because you guys are good at looking town and town is stupid so I’ll happily lynch somebody else in my lynch pool.

I typed in unvoting and deleted it. I considered it a lot. He does still have a lot of scum equity, and this is not out of your idiocy range I don't think, plus bussing a useless ass slot like that is a thing and without day chat he couldn't discuss it. And yes, your lynch pool started as me and two of my scumreads at the time (fitz + gnr) along with myself, and your discussion originally was between lynching me and GNR (the person I was pushing). progressed to include one of my strongest townreads (Zito) as well as a town read (Havo) which is bad for different reasons and in a different way.

Is your last line intending to say you are the only player who was capable of seeing through mine and Fitz / Mumble (dunno which you're talking about) facade?

[Eddie Cane]

I honestly think you threw in the talk with partners for some attempt at town cred. You can’t say you don’t like me cause You don’t even know me as a person or a player.

If gnr flips town, you not unvoting makes you look worse than you do already.

That is not something I would do for town cred. I am not gerryoat and rb / Lexa at the least know I'm too good of a player to "townslip" like that. I didn't read the OP on subbing in, but I don't want cred for it, that isn't how I'd want to win.

I do know you as a player, you're a cocky egoistical prick but unlike others of your kind (people like RC and Reck) you aren't actually good at mafia. Denying being Robb is one thing, but using not being him as an argument is quite poopy. Stop flinging moronic shit at me and I will stop replying.

[Eddie Cane]

the vast majority of the pressure is from Zito and Fitz?

Hmm. So is that the team? You/Zito/fitz?

Interesting. I’ll sleep on that one.

You do that buddy.

[Eddie Cane]

I typed in unvoting and deleted it. I considered it a lot.

For some reason I don’t believe you.

For some reason I think you're the least pleasant person on this site to play with bar Mulch maybe.

I'm gonna stop though, I'm on my last warning with mods and don't want another ban.

[Eddie Cane]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72786&p=9545836&hi ... b#p9545836

You 100% are him. Your playstyle is the exact same, your tone is the exact same, you're doing the exact same tunnelling he does, and you are just as unpleasant to play with. I will drop it after this post because I think it would be considered harassment if I didn't.

Do you want to link me one, single game you have seen or played in where somebody actually got town cred for a "slip" like that? Afaik, they don't exist, because fake townslipping is stupid and a tool newbies use because they don't understand how to play scum properly. Virtually every time I've seen it it has ended in the "townslipper" losing town points (once in memory, gerry, fountain of dreams micro). I'm done addressing it after this post because it is a waste of breath.

[Eddie Cane]

marvelous wall of wonderful proportions

When have you ever correctly scumread me?

Your wording is just so weird here, things like "it will take night results to get me to lynch him in a couple days, null but town but scum maybe" for luca. :/ /:

[Eddie Cane]

zito
alex, eddie
cedrick, luca
awoo, havo. rb
nsg, fitz
riggs
mumble

is this recent

[Eddie Cane]

I meant, is anything changed or can you confrim those are still your reads

and ye, which is why I don't see where the sorting me by d3 comes in

[Eddie Cane]

i mean, this isn't your first game on ms either. we've played together on here twice or three times plus we actually were diff alignments in 1 (u got vigged n1 as scum)

[Eddie Cane]

holy shit that was 8 months ago wtf

[Eddie Cane]

mumble is town my friend, so do me a favour and show me what your reads list looks like with a mumble revealed as ic

[Eddie Cane]

and only derrick was willing to vote me, so he switched to another scumread who had a wagon. how is it abandoning their read on me?

the bigger issue is their disappearance, but on what planet is it not better to focus on >1 slot?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: guy_named_riggs hi )

Awoo moves his vote here

Awoo you're scum aren't you

dw im a doublevoter in spirit

he didn't give up on his read. the wagon was non existent and he joined a wagon he supported. town!eddie doesn't understand what you're talking about here.

[Eddie Cane]

it's the way he gives up on his read that's bad

no, it is disappearing from the game a bit after i subbed in that's bad. if he's scum, his push got squashed by a strong player who wasn't going to get mislynched subbing in. it's disengaging from the game that's bad.

you're not this dumb as town radiantbowcells

[Eddie Cane]

it's the way he gives up on his read that's bad

no, it is disappearing from the game a bit after i subbed in that's bad. if he's scum, his push got squashed by a strong player who wasn't going to get mislynched subbing in. it's disengaging from the game that's bad.

you're not this dumb as town radiantbowcells

same thing dude...

NO IT'S NOT

[Eddie Cane]

you're so overly obsessed with semantics in a way i've never seen before

some1 pls vig/cop eddie cane thank

FUCKING CHRIST

someone being scummy does not make every reason on them valid, when did you get this shit at mafia? you said he was scummy for not tunnelling me. that isn't the same thing remotely...

[Eddie Cane]

I'm becoming skeptical as to Awoo's position in this game. He seems to have inexplicably downed tools since Cane replaced into this game. I can understand wanting this slot lynched, but he hasn't given any read on Cane independant from Q, and while I agree with some of his Q case it isn't strong enough for a lockscum read.

Especially now, given what's just occurred, we're at a point where a decent Cane push could pick up momentum, as there is no clear alternative to the PR claims.

you didn't fos him for not tunnelling me, in fact you couldn't have because he doesn't vote riggs until later this page.

[Eddie Cane]

and where in the fuck do I imply "tunnelling isn't a townie thing to do"?

[Eddie Cane]

oh my god

[Eddie Cane]

okay kids I'm going to treat this like a newbie queue game.

1) first of all, tunnelling is not townie. tunnelling is not scummy. tunnelling is typically bad play because it means you're ignoring the rest of the game, but it happens from both alignments. like 95% of things in mafia in fact.

2) this means you need to sort it on a case by case basis, like 95% of things in mafia

3) in the above example, you see me question rb. it is not townie to break out of a tunnel, it also is not scummy. pushing it as scummy is quite odd.

4) the person in said tunnel was actually in the conventional definition of a tunnel; only addressing one slot for the most part, cutting off the rest of the game. this is the kind of tunnel that is antitown (note; not scummy), whereas "tunnelling" someone aka voting them and pushing them while sorting other people isn't even a tunnel.

5) additionally, this person still addressed willingness to vote me later when inquired by rb, via doublevoter comment

6) doublevoter means he can vote two people at once in this case. haha!

7) my wagon was only him, for a long time. his vote was being wasted on a vanity wagon. if anything, yes, minor town points for voting a useful slot.

8) There are scummy things about awoo. Disappearing is one of them. Breaking out of tunnelling me is not and a bad thing to push from a player like rb who isn't new.

[Eddie Cane]

... implies I think he's being stupid, but sure, it is an "added affect of course"

[Eddie Cane]

5 points to whoever can guess who I think is stupid now

[Eddie Cane]

9) this wasn't meant to be a major point of contention, it was just a little side quip. but, seeing as multiple people are harping on it, I guess it's a thing

[Eddie Cane]

What circumstances?

[Eddie Cane]

10) when your vote isn't doing anything useful do something useful with it

this could have been by reaffirming a case on me or by moving it, I still don't understand what you're saying

[Eddie Cane]

I don't know what brackets you're talking about

[Eddie Cane]

Especially now, given what's just occurred, we're at a point where a decent Cane push could pick up momentum, as there is no clear alternative to the PR claims.

What implies a cane push could pick up momentum? Not a single other slot has voted me. At the time, maybe Derrick but not you and RB iirc had expressed any fos on me, so it was a losing battle. Knowing I'm town, I really don't get how it's scummy he didn't try to double down and push me when he had the "opportunity". And btw, that "opportunity" was there, existing wagons doesn't mean you don't push someone.

[Eddie Cane]

Yes, breaking off tunnelling in of itself can't be deemed scummy, but the circumstances that surround it

(not choosing to push your wagon when the chance was there following the pr claims as I said)

kind of make it so, as it no longer feels like a genuine scumread. I thought this was so obvious it basically went without saying, but you seemed to deliberately miss rb's point.

And you have the nerve to call others stupid...

I was looking in 631 and rbs posts since, yknow, that's what we were talking about.

And to follow up the below post, I still don't get how addressing other slots and voting outside of me and not doubling down is scummy. at all.

[Eddie Cane]

9) this wasn't meant to be a major point of contention, it was just a little side quip.

Going to reiterate this too, though now I do want to know what you're trying to say because it's relevant to yours and rbs alignment a bit.

[Eddie Cane]

Especially now, given what's just occurred, we're at a point where a decent Cane push could pick up momentum, as there is no clear alternative to the PR claims.

What implies a cane push could pick up momentum? Not a single other slot has voted me. At the time, maybe Derrick but not you and RB iirc had expressed any fos on me, so it was a losing battle. Knowing I'm town, I really don't get how it's scummy he didn't try to double down and push me when he had the "opportunity". And btw, that "opportunity" was there, existing wagons doesn't mean you don't push someone.

No-one had voted Riggs until I did, yet it gained momentum. The question ought to be why

shouldn't

a Cane push be able to pick up momentum? Particularly given how convinced he is you're scum.

Because Riggs is a lurker who's done nothing since the game started. I can't answer for Awoo for why he didn't still push me. Does him not pushing me still look bad for you if I reveal as ic? Guess we should clear that up first.

[Eddie Cane]

More of what?

[Eddie Cane]

it is a fancy way of saying does me being town change anything for you

[Eddie Cane]

whereas "tunnelling" someone aka voting them and pushing them while sorting other people isn't even a tunnel.

This is what I’m doing yet you accused me of tunneling.

You can’t even keep your story straight

People refer to it as tunnelling, so I will too. In our last game it was the same retarded tunnel from you and you talked about other slots but sure I can't keep my story straight.

[Eddie Cane]

I also want to know why you don’t have an issue with fitz’s tunneling.

He’s either scum or completely anti-town especially since he’s pushing to lynch a Pr yet I don’t see you sorting him.

I pushed the same pr? He's tunnelling two people I scumread? he's in the lowest tier of townreads for me; I do have an issue with him, kind of, but he's pushing the EXACT same people I am (throwback to the identical reads list) which is a townie trait.

[Eddie Cane]

it is a fancy way of saying does me being town change anything for you

I repeat: why would that affect anything?

that's why I asked if it does for you. me being conf town to you means awoo had two cases on a townie people were saying were genuine, and a perfect opportunity to continue tunnelling me and be townread for it but didn't. what's the scum motivation there? little, basically just wouldn't believe they could get a mislynch on me. opportunism works at first glance but they look hella worse from a riggs flip than they do low-key pushing me.

[Eddie Cane]

I also want to know why you don’t have an issue with fitz’s tunneling.

He’s either scum or completely anti-town especially since he’s pushing to lynch a Pr yet I don’t see you sorting him.

I pushed the same pr? He's tunnelling two people I scumread? he's in the lowest tier of townreads for me; I do have an issue with him, kind of, but he's pushing the EXACT same people I am (throwback to the identical reads list) which is a townie trait.

Or it’s buddying. If you were trying to sort you’d consider that. And just cause you are playing bad and he’s copying you doesn’t make him town

once again, he's the lowest tier on my town reads for a reason. him buddying me potentially is why I kept bringing up the identical lists. I don't overly get a buddying vibe, and clearly you don't either because you're pushing a me / fitz team (I assume zito was a joke).

[Eddie Cane]

{Mumble}
{NSG}
{Zitosaurus Rex}
{Awoo, Havo, Luca }
{rb, Alex, Fitz}
{GNR, Cedrick}
{Lexa}

Somewhere like here rn

Daaaamn! This game is active! So glad I automated vote counting.

Official Vote Count 1-15

Guy_Named_Riggs

(5): Luca Blight, Havo, Awoo, Lexa, Cedrick

(L-2)

Cedrick

(5): rb, Alexcellent, Papa Zito, Eddie Cane, Mumble

(L-2)

Lexa

(2): northsidegal, havingfitz

Not Voting

(1): Guy_Named_Riggs

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-23 09:00:00)

Previous Vote Count

My 3 lowest reads are the 3 wagons, lol.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to do stuff with w computer n sheet later. out now

[Eddie Cane]

it is a fancy way of saying does me being town change anything for you

I repeat: why would that affect anything?

that's why I asked if it does for you. me being conf town to you means awoo had two cases on a townie people were saying were genuine, and a perfect opportunity to continue tunnelling me and be townread for it but didn't. what's the scum motivation there? little, basically just wouldn't believe they could get a mislynch on me. opportunism works at first glance but they look hella worse from a riggs flip than they do low-key pushing me.

There could be plenty of scum motivation - he stopped tunnelling soon after you replaced in, despite his read not changing. Perhaps he saw Q as an easier target? Perhaps he didn't want to get drawn into a potential 1v1? Perhaps he simply lacked the energy to continue faking his scumread to such a level? I believe a fair few said his case was poor, incidentally.

Where is the town motivation in not pushing your main scumread when there was a clear window to do so?

youre right, hence why this was a whip and not part of some scum casw on rb. multiple people called the case bad but I don't think I've seen one call it scummy? those are valid points, though giving a replacement breathing room is common decency. I think we should let Awoo answer the town motivation, but if you'd like I can give some random theories lol it's mainly 1.

[Eddie Cane]

I also want to know why you don’t have an issue with fitz’s tunneling.

He’s either scum or completely anti-town especially since he’s pushing to lynch a Pr yet I don’t see you sorting him.

I pushed the same pr? He's tunnelling two people I scumread? he's in the lowest tier of townreads for me; I do have an issue with him, kind of, but he's pushing the EXACT same people I am (throwback to the identical reads list) which is a townie trait.

Or it’s buddying. If you were trying to sort you’d consider that. And just cause you are playing bad and he’s copying you doesn’t make him town

once again, he's the lowest tier on my town reads for a reason. him buddying me potentially is why I kept bringing up the identical lists. I don't overly get a buddying vibe, and clearly you don't either because you're pushing a me / fitz team (I assume zito was a joke).

Once again though it still doesn’t look like you are sorting him. You basically said since he’s got the same reads he’s a soft town read. You are ignoring his actions and actual content. I’m not really worried about what makes sense as teams. I just scum read you and him independently of each others actions.

What am I ignoring? I've replied to everything that I have a useful reply to. He is pushing the same things I am, that's enough to be worth a soft town read.

My 3 lowest reads are the 3 wagons, lol.

And those reads suck

Lexa has been more active and played better than somebody you TR. this is weird. Like she could be scum but when you compare her to mumble hands down mumble is scummier
Gnr is a lurker - it’s not AI and since he’s given us nothing he should be a no read what so ever
Me - active and scum hunting and making some damn good posts that make sense.

Lexa - Meta. Don't give me that comparing to Mumble bullshit. Let's use KMD as an example; I guarantee KMD's town and scum game's both look significantly townier than most people in this game's town game, including Mumble. "compare her to mumble" is dumb, they are different people with different playstyles.
GNR - lurker, I already pointed that out. The main reason he isn't null is because of the reads list stuff. That, and he said he was caught up but didn't actually give any real content. I also acknowledged I have too many townreads and I'm going to reskim the game probably.
You - lol.

But, that wasn't the point I was making. That list was a long ass time ago and not entirely recent, it was just a fun musing. It seems people this game take everything 100% serious so maybe I'll stop enjoying myself.

[Eddie Cane]

Havo and Zito aren’t scum hunting. I don’t even think Alex is really. Come to think of it Half the player list is underwhelming

Quit with the scum hunting stuff please, Zito at least is blatantly town and Havo / Alex are preeeeetty townie too. I'll let you know where I stand on them when I re look over things, but I know I'll still have Zito as town.

[Eddie Cane]

There are scummy things about awoo. Disappearing is one of them

Reading this post again. What is your definition of disappearing? I don’t think he’s ever been prodded and looking at his iso i believe he’s posted everyday.

Also why is being away for a period of time scummy anyway? Town and scum both do this.

and only derrick was willing to vote me, so he switched to another scumread who had a wagon. how is it abandoning their read on me?

the bigger issue is their disappearance, but on what planet is it not better to focus on >1 slot?

It's hard to get a sense of what happened when from before you sub in, but I got the feeling he was a much more commanding presence back then? He had 2 long cases on my slot. When I came in, he basically dropped a vote on me and dipped until that. The presence was miniscule in comparison. Scum are typically active earlier in the day and trail off towards the end of the day, obviously not true for everyone. But beyond that, it isn't a great feel that he basically dropped a naked vote on the biggest(?) wagon and continued to do nothing. Being away during high contention times, ie. when both wagons are breaking apart due to claims, is semi scummy. Again, blanket terms, but those are harder times to fake than generic posting.

[Eddie Cane]

I don’t remember you responding to the many scummy things I pointed out. You say anything about misrepping people in his iso dives. Tbh you haven’t really questioned any of his actions. You aren’t trying to sort him cause “he agrees with you.”

In all of your 1v1s with him, he replied with stuff and you dropped it, no? Quote what you want me to address. I didn't see anything with vocalizing or I would have commented on it. Him agreeing with me is part of me sorting him, yes.

No I won’t because it’s relevant. Zito is in no way blatantly town and havo and Alex aren’t pretty townie either.

:/

Your reads don’t really make sense and your pushes are for superficial reasons when you give them and none of your scum reads cake from any scum hunting at all.

what reads don't make sense? what superficial reasons?

Gnr is a lurker policy lynch

your comments about the person you're voting

No I won’t because it’s relevant.

Robb or Derrick or whoever you are, there's more to sorting people than "are they scumhunting?" Yknow why I and Havo and RB know you're Robb? Because you have the exact same, completely backwards ideals as him, and you push it just as stupidly confidently. You can't change who you are with an alt. You advocate LaL right? Because you're Robb and don't understand how people could play differently than you. Zito is not casing people, he's "scumhunting" in the sense he's gamesolving. Havo is tonally town/ Tell me what's scummy about them? If you genuinely want to change and be not shit, I don't know why you would make an alt and continue to play the exact same way.

Like she could be scum but when you compare her to mumble hands down mumble is scummier

Stuff like this is what makes me consider a town!you. Like, there is no scum motivation for saying something this backwards, it would just be called out as bad. There's no town motivation either - my point is you need to genuinely think this way to post this. Mumble is "scummier" because he has a scummy playstyle, Lexa is "townier" because he has a townie playstyle. I'm reevaluating Lexa, a few town pings from our site he's hitting. Mumble is a person a player like you is always going to scumread because he has a scummy playstyle. I know you don't like meta but a quick glance at any of his games as either alignment should tell you that he plays scummy as hell as a player, so you don't need to townread him but it also isn't right to tunnel him over it. Do that and get back to me - did you look over those games I linked earlier? And, if I operate under the premise of town!you, Fitz is probably scum though Mumble is still town. I don't tunnel, I always have an open mind, but you lying about your alt constantly rather than just ignoring it and doing the same unbearable playstyle Robb has is not endearing.


- actually while writing this i thought of another person you might be; TwoFace. Though, I like him significantly more than Robb and it's a bit off, it kind of fits. just fun musings. ... actually, if you are TF, lmk please if possible. That has some big implications wrt Fitz and your slot as a whole.

[Eddie Cane]

I'll reply to the rest later driving rn at a red light
are u two face

[Eddie Cane]

stay in, your lynch isn't happening today so you have the night to catch up for sure if needed

just got off work I would just rather reply on a computer so later

[Eddie Cane]

Tell me what's scummy about them?

They are just exsisting. They aren’t trying to find scum. They might as well lurk because they have been just as valuable to this game as gnr has been. The only difference imo is their post count

Dude this just isnt true for Zito at all. He did one post with all his scumspects in some detail, and in general while lighthearted his content has been genuine and came at genuine times. Havo I guess you could have, but he is definitely a bigger presence than GNR even though still rather small and he hasn't done anything I disagree with either. I'm also trying to avoid being abusive towards him because my opinion of him was very low going into the game, though I feel better about playing with him as of now despite a horrible day 1 shtick.

Stuff like this is what makes me consider a town!you. Like, there is no scum motivation for saying something this backwards,

It’s not backwards tho. Nobody has made a convincing argument for town mumbles. Again he’s been as useful as gnr except he tried to say omgus makes somebody scum. THAT’S backwards thinking. Omgus isn’t a scumtell

I made a convincing argument for town mumble, and then argued against his lynch until he claimed Doc. If you disagree with the argument fine, but I would think it made an impression on some people. Scummy as a playstyle is all he is, and this is the town version of the scummy. And, while I'm here, if I end up sorting you as town will you work with me on your Mumble read? It is really obstructing any desire I have to want to work with you.

There are huge differences between rob and me. Are we playing similar? I don’t think so but rob wouldn’t have ever stopped pushing mumble regardless of his claim. We’d be arguing with him and people would probably replace out because how toxic he is.

Anyways this discussion ends now.

I'll end it now, but jsyk /if/ you are Robb (/if/ for your benefit) just know that I would be much happier with you admitting it and wanting a chance to play differently and improve than the current denial-but-refusal-to-out-main.

[Eddie Cane]

Lexa, are you here?

[Eddie Cane]

1k

[Eddie Cane]

are you caught up side?

[Eddie Cane]

ping me when you are please

gn, going to bed too

[Eddie Cane]

ced?

[Eddie Cane]

"And, while I'm here, if I end up sorting you as town will you work with me on your Mumble read? It is really obstructing any desire I have to want to work with you."

[Eddie Cane]

you make life difficult my man